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Deicidal Maniac
06-21-2005, 07:02 PM
Fucking country full of violent lunatics who have the gall to call America uncivilized...

http://news.yahoo.com/s/chitribts/20050619/ts_chicagotrib/happyslapyobsbreedfearanger

`Happy slap' yobs breed fear, anger


By Tom Hundley Tribune foreign correspondent
Sun Jun 19, 9:40 AM ET


Watch out for "happy slapping," the latest youth craze to sweep Britain.

It's not a new dance step or even a new designer drug. It's a criminal assault.

Groups of teenagers approach an unsuspecting person and begin punching and kicking him or her while capturing it all on their mobile camera phones. The images are later uploaded and shared on the Internet.

The victims can be young or old, male or female. Bus stops, tube stations and parks are considered prime venues. In most cases, the injuries are minor. But on Saturday, British newspapers reported that an 11-year-old London girl had been raped by a gang of happy slappers, and Scotland Yard confirmed that three 14-year-old boys had been arrested.

The craze apparently started in London late last year but has spread across the country. British Transport Police say they have investigated about 200 attacks in London alone since the beginning of the year, but they acknowledge that most go unreported.

Happy slapping is the latest manifestation of what Britons call "yob culture." The word "yob" dates to the 19th Century--it likely derives from "boy" spelled backward--and it denotes a kind of loutish, anti-social behavior associated with working-class youth in Britain's urban centers. The British soccer hooligan is the quintessential yob.

"I happyslap people," explained "Huni bo" from Sleaford on a popular yob blog. "I dnt see nowt wrong wit it tho, ima good person! Its well funni tho!!"

"It's not funny," replied Spartanette from Swansea. "If it's just among mates and you actually know the person, then it's harmless, but when you do it to someone you don't even know, you deserve a beating."

"So I deserve a beatin yeh?" replied Huni bo. "Wes onli do it ppl lyk are age ish, say from 15 -- 19 or 20. summats, wunt do it to an old man, even though they keep avin a go at us, an it dus are heds in!"

Violent anti-social behavior is hardly news in Britain--it was common in Charles Dickens' time and was made iconic by the 1971 film and Anthony Burgess' 1962 novel, "A Clockwork Orange"--but a particularly vicious attack last month once again focused national attention on the problem.

Phil Carroll, 49, a father of four from Salford, a modest, middle-class suburb of Manchester, confronted three youths from a nearby housing project after they threw a stone at his car. Suddenly, he was set upon by a larger group. The attackers left him bleeding and unconscious in the street. He remained in a coma for two weeks before waking.

But it wasn't the attack that drew headlines. It was Manchester Police Chief Supt. David Baines' graphic characterization of the attackers:

"They are gangs of feral youths who are under no control from adults, parents or anyone else," he said. "They are not concerned about respect or their responsibilities. The criminal justice system holds no fear for them. This is a national problem. Today it is Salford. Tomorrow, it will be somewhere else."

`Culture of respect'

A week later, Prime Minister Tony Blair pledged to create "a culture of respect" in Britain. He used the annual Queen's Speech, in which the government sets out its legislative agenda for the year, to declare war on yob culture.

"It's time to reclaim the streets for the decent majority," Blair told Parliament. "People are rightly fed up with street corner and shopping center thugs ... [and] binge drinking that makes our town centers no-go areas for respectable citizens."

One new tactic that will be tried this summer is "dispersal zones," designated areas in cities where police have powers to impose curfews, ban groups of two or more youths from congregating and send those younger than 16 home to their parents. Those who defy the police risk large fines.

The government also floated the idea of forcing young offenders serving community service sentences to wear bright orange jumpsuits as a means of shaming them.

Hazel Blears, the Home Office's minister for anti-social behavior, told the Observer newspaper that she didn't want young people "breaking rocks" in chain gangs but that the public needed to see that offenders were being punished.

Experts dismiss humiliation

Juvenile crime experts were doubtful, and the idea appears to have been scuttled.

"In my experience there is no benefit gained from humiliating offenders in public," said Rod Morgan, the government's chief adviser on juvenile crime.

Last month, a large shopping mall near London banned teenagers wearing hooded sweatshirts and baseball caps, an adolescent fashion that in Britain is associated with anti-social behavior. The justification was that the hoods and caps obscured faces from the mall's ubiquitous security cameras.

Politicians and the public have applauded the ban. Owners of the mall say they have seen a 22 percent increase in shoppers since they began enforcing it. But many ordinary law-abiding teens also dress in that style, and critics said the ban tarred all youngsters with the same brush.

"It grabs media attention," said Bob Ashford, a specialist in prevention programs with the Youth Justice Board, an advisory and monitoring panel.

"Our view is we don't want to demonize kids. Lots of kids wear this clothing. It's a fashion statement. To label a person as criminal or dangerous because of what he is wearing . . . is not a solution," he said.

The government's main weapon against yobbery is the ASBO. An acronym for "anti-social behavior order," it is a civil order obtained from a court that prohibits a person from engaging in certain narrowly defined activities that are not necessarily criminal but are clearly anti-social.

A neighbor who habitually throws loud drunken parties might be slapped with an ASBO that sharply curtails the number of guests allowed on the premises after 9 p.m. People who violate an ASBO can be jailed.

At first, the process of obtaining an ASBO was overly bureaucratic, slow and costly. Only 600 were issued in the first three years of the program, which began in 1998. But the process has been streamlined, and last year 2,600 ASBOs were issued.

Some community activists say the targeted use of ASBOs has been an effective crime-stopper, but others point to abuses.

Banned from rivers, bridges

In one well-publicized case earlier this year, a woman from Bath who had tried repeatedly to commit suicide was issued an ASBO that prohibits her from going near rivers, bridges, train lines and tall buildings. A woman in Scotland got an ASBO to stop her from answering the front door in her bra and panties.

The problem, according civil libertarians, is that ASBOs allow people to be jailed for activities that are not crimes, such as using foul language or answering the door in one's underwear.

Children as young as 10 have been ASBOed. That prompted a warning earlier this month from Alvaro Gil-Robles, the Council of Europe's human-rights commissioner. He said the government's policy was "criminalizing" children, and that no child under 16 should be jailed for violating an ASBO.

Morgan, the government's crime adviser, said ASBOs could be useful in curbing juvenile crime, but only after authorities had worked with parents and schools, issued warning letters and drawn up acceptable behavior contracts.

"If you do the proper groundwork, very seldom do you need to resort to an ASBO," he said.

But crime rates falling

Although crime rates in Britain have been dropping for a decade, the public perception is that crime and anti-social behavior are on the rise. There has been no shortage of tough talk from politicians.

In the run-up to last month's general elections, Michael Howard, leader of the opposition Conservative Party, vowed to "make yobs fear the police."

"I want policemen--and women--to have the confidence to eyeball these characters, to invade their personal body space, just like they are invading ours, to confront and challenge their unacceptable behavior," he said.

"I don't want members of the public looking over their shoulders. I want the yobs looking around in fear," he added.

Morgan said a good start would be for politicians and the media to stop describing children as yobs and their anti-social behavior as "feral."

"They didn't choose their parents or their neighborhoods, and they can't walk away from their circumstances," he said. "I don't think these are appropriate words if we are trying to build a culture of respect."

nieh
06-21-2005, 07:17 PM
how exactly does throwing lots of loud drunken parties equal anti-social?

Chris
06-21-2005, 08:02 PM
ironically, the media giving this the time of day only fueled the fire otherwise im sure this lame trend wouldn't have spread - still, only a minority of air heads

Deicidal Maniac
06-21-2005, 09:04 PM
And bad teeth.

wheelchairman
06-22-2005, 03:59 AM
don't forget short, ugly, and dim-witted.

dirty_magic
06-22-2005, 04:20 AM
if happy slapping took place in america it would involve machine guns and schools

Jesus
06-22-2005, 04:22 AM
years of inbreeding...

RXP
06-22-2005, 04:28 AM
I'm gonna buy some mace or some knuckle dusters, or both.

Nutter
06-22-2005, 05:46 AM
do you people actually know that the hell your talking about?

0r4ng3
06-22-2005, 05:47 AM
do you people actually know that the hell your talking about?
I don't even know what you're talking about. Who is this directed to?

Flexing Wings
06-22-2005, 07:58 AM
if happy slapping took place in america it would involve machine guns and schools

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAAHAHHHAHAHAA :D

Piedude
06-22-2005, 08:00 AM
"It's not funny," replied Spartanette from Swansea. "If it's just among mates and you actually know the person, then it's harmless, but when you do it to someone you don't even know, you deserve a beating."

I live in Swansea...Only happy slapping Ive seens been between mates..not that relevant to this Bash The British thread but there we go...

Mentally_Challenged
06-22-2005, 08:07 AM
People are constantly complaining about this Happy Slapping crap, but i've only ever seen it happen once, and that was between 2 of my friends....Who then cracked up in fits of laughter. Seriously, it's been exaggerated so much.

Flexing Wings
06-22-2005, 08:28 AM
I'm English and I've never even heard of 'Happy Slapping'...

But I actually think this thread rules. :D

Mikey Matt
06-22-2005, 12:59 PM
People are constantly complaining about this Happy Slapping crap, but i've only ever seen it happen once, and that was between 2 of my friends....Who then cracked up in fits of laughter. Seriously, it's been exaggerated so much.

I think people, know some one, who knows some one that it happened too, It is growing, and happens mainly on buses going throw Urban towns, or in high schools in urban areas. And unlike as started in the news quote, actually the offenders usually come from poorer back grounds with anti social parents.

It will spread to other countries before too long.

INTERESTINGLY some high schools are trying to use microwave jammers on the grounds of the school to prevent teenages distributing video's of "happy slapping" on school premises. A bit in vein if you ask me.

I'll admit, doesn't paint a good picture of Britain, but as I said, it usually happens in crappy neighbourhoods on buses or in schools.

Preecey
06-22-2005, 01:17 PM
I don't look down upon America in any way. And I don't have too much opinion of either myself or my country.

Plus, happy slapping is for chavs. It's retarded, wrong and lame. People who do it should be hung.

Noodles is gay
06-22-2005, 01:17 PM
I must point out that this 'happy slapping' thing is purely limited to the lower classes; especially those 'chavs'. Had Labour not got rid of grammar schools and there was actually a culture of respect in Britain, things like this wouldn't happen. I think it's a ridiculous thing to do, I can't see the fun in it - but then, I must be far too 'middle-class' to see the point in it. Darn.

Oh, and having read the article; Blair couldn't 'create a culture of respect', if he had the instruction manual send down from god himself.


Plus, happy slapping is for chavs. It's retarded, wrong and lame. People who do it should be hung.

Definitely.

Preecey
06-22-2005, 01:24 PM
Ha, I noticed you skipped the first part of my dictat.

Noodles is gay
06-22-2005, 01:29 PM
*shifty eyes*

Yes; that was totally unintentional.... :rolleyes:

Noodles is gay
06-22-2005, 01:43 PM
I'm English and I've never even heard of 'Happy Slapping'...

you need to read a paper; let me suggest The Times.

Preecey
06-22-2005, 01:44 PM
you need to read a paper; let me suggest The Times.
Ha- I heard about it from 'The Metro', a free Sheffield bus publication!

Noodles is gay
06-22-2005, 01:52 PM
We have the Metro here too - it's interesting to read on the train but they must use some weird kind of ink because it goes on one's hands far more than any other paper's ink. Tis annoying.

At least you didn't hear it in The Sun or Daily Star :eek:

Mentally_Challenged
06-22-2005, 01:59 PM
Plus, happy slapping is for chavs. It's retarded, wrong and lame. People who do it should be hung.

Damn right. That's exactly what I was thinking. Grrr *looks angry*

Preecey
06-22-2005, 02:03 PM
At least you didn't hear it in The Sun or Daily Star :eek:
Ha! Who reads The Sun (not including the infamous 'page 3')? It's about as intellectual and profound as a...well, The Sun. No other way to describe it really. A vast mound of shit.

Preecey
06-22-2005, 02:04 PM
Damn right. That's exactly what I was thinking. Grrr *looks angry*
-ADVICE-
1. Take tranquilizer.
2. Avoid going out.
3. Do not go near any sharp objects (esp. knives) :D

Noodles is gay
06-22-2005, 02:06 PM
Ha! Who reads The Sun (not including the infamous 'page 3')? It's about as intellectual and profound as a...well, The Sun. No other way to describe it really. A vast mound of shit.

HAHA! That has to be the best description that I've ever seen of the Sun! :D

People who read the Daily Mail annoy me too - they think that because it's not the Sun they're somewhat better than Sun readers, that they're more informed! HA! Ridiculous.

Mentally_Challenged
06-22-2005, 02:07 PM
-ADVICE-
1. Take tranquilizer.
2. Avoid going out.
3. Do not go near any sharp objects (esp. knives) :D

Heh, i'll remember that for future reference then =P

Preecey
06-22-2005, 02:20 PM
HAHA! That has to be the best description that I've ever seen of the Sun! :D

People who read the Daily Mail annoy me too - they think that because it's not the Sun they're somewhat better than Sun readers, that they're more informed! HA! Ridiculous.
The Daily Mail predicts house prices crashing every single day. It's like the damn Jehovas Witnesses.

Deicidal Maniac
06-22-2005, 08:40 PM
if happy slapping took place in america it would involve machine guns and schools
....But it doesn't happen here and it won't because we're more civilized.

JohnnyNemesis
06-22-2005, 08:41 PM
Forget "owned"; dirty_magic was just enslaved.

Panzerfaust92
06-23-2005, 12:03 AM
I really have no problem with the British, except for the cockyness.

RXP
06-23-2005, 01:07 AM
Had Labour not got rid of grammar schools and there was actually a culture of respect in Britain, things like this wouldn't happen.

Tell you what. Prove it. You know nothing about society or politics. As per usual :-/

Sin Studly
06-23-2005, 01:57 AM
We had an even stupider game here, where crews would run up and surround some person in a tight circle and start jumping up and down chanting "Johnny, Johnny, Johnny" until the person took a swing at them. Then they'd bash fuck out of the person.

I never quite understood who 'Johnny' was supposed to be.

JohnnyNemesis
06-23-2005, 08:51 AM
Tell you what. Prove it.

This applies to EVERYONE. I am sick of people saying things without proving it in the slightest.

Kerr
06-23-2005, 09:05 AM
I don't look down upon America in any way. And I don't have too much opinion of either myself or my country.

Plus, happy slapping is for chavs. It's retarded, wrong and lame. People who do it should be hung.
100% agree. Although I find "chav" quite annoying and faggoted (can't they make up a beter sounding name for these people?!), it is that type of crowd who do this thing.

Happy slapping is just stupid.

Brines
06-23-2005, 09:39 AM
Vandalism seems much more productive.

TheUnholyNightbringer
06-23-2005, 01:55 PM
I've been a victim of Happy Slapping. It was incredibly unenjoyable, to say the least.

Kerr
06-23-2005, 02:00 PM
I've been a victim of Happy Slapping. It was incredibly unenjoyable, to say the least.
Well, I jope the twats got arrested. I fact, anyone who does it needs to get arrested and done for. Apparently some happy slappers actually raped a girl. That's just fucking sick.

wheelchairman
06-23-2005, 04:30 PM
Don't act like your any better than the US. Greece's fucked up foreign policy and ultra-nationalist inferiority complex makes you, by far, the worst European country. I mean hell, even Belarus is more likeable than you guys, and they have a freak for a dictator.

JohnnyNemesis
06-23-2005, 04:41 PM
But what can I do they are "germans" ?

Stop being such a racist. How can you call Sin Studly racist and say stuff like this?

JohnnyNemesis
06-23-2005, 04:48 PM
WHAT? I don't hate the French! I LIKE the French. Don't start making things up.

TheUnholyNightbringer
06-23-2005, 05:00 PM
Being Nationalist is Good!
I don't want to see immigrants from 3rd world countrys coming to mine.
I don't want my country turn into a liberal socialist state, like the UK or Germany*

*they went from one extreme(ultra nationalist) to the other(ultra liberal) and I hate that. But what can I do they are "germans" ?

I can't believe you'd say that and think you have the right to judge ANY other country.

JohnnyNemesis
06-23-2005, 05:03 PM
...sorry then.
But why you come against me. I have saw nastier posts
from SIN ,THIS_THREAD, and others, where you said nothing, why?

Forgiven.

I came against you because you accuse others of being racist. Sin Studly and TTIG never do that. I was pointing out your hypocrisy in this instance.

TheUnholyNightbringer
06-23-2005, 05:07 PM
You judged all of the USA for holding people (and I quote): "the ones who incarcerate people just because they are arabs", in other words, accusing them of racism. And then you say:


Being Nationalist is Good!
I don't want to see immigrants from 3rd world countrys coming to mine.

Dude, that's racism.

JohnnyNemesis
06-23-2005, 05:14 PM
...again I never called Sin Studly 'racist' ; Just ask him and he will tell you. I never in this forum call someone a 'racist'.

Now you're just lying.

TheUnholyNightbringer
06-23-2005, 05:19 PM
accusing them of racism? NO, let me clarify. Maybe because they are assuming every arab has links with the terrorists (ignorance? ) maybe (to show the US people that they have the "bad guys" , that they are really working ) even (thinking that one of them is a "real terrorist" ,which it could be true). But where is the proof? If they are terrorist where are the trials?

And why are you judging all of America for this?

0r4ng3
06-23-2005, 05:37 PM
I think I won this discussion!
Right, and you just won a life.

Ha ha, just kidding.

JohnnyNemesis
06-23-2005, 05:49 PM
I think I won this discussion!

EROS, only 8 minutes passed. That doesn't mean you "won" anything. Besides, the goal of these discussions should be education, it's not about "winning".

JohnnyNemesis
06-23-2005, 05:52 PM
big deal !

I'm not sure I understand what you mean by this post, EROS.

Chris
06-23-2005, 06:24 PM
Well, I jope the twats got arrested. I fact, anyone who does it needs to get arrested and done for. Apparently some happy slappers actually raped a girl. That's just fucking sick.

well that would kind of make them rapists instead really

TheUnholyNightbringer
06-23-2005, 06:50 PM
well that would kind of make them rapists instead really

Well spotted.

clokey43
06-24-2005, 03:35 AM
I would like to defend the British! Not all of us go around pouncing people and 'happy slapping'. I find the whole concept a stupid, pathetic idea and the only people that partake in this activity are 'chavs' 'rudders' or 'pikies' what ever u wanna call them. Please dont say 'people wonder why i dont like the british'. I dont go around doing these things and would greatly apprechiate it if u would get the whole facts before genralising a whole nation!

Preecey
06-24-2005, 03:50 AM
I would like to defend the British! Not all of us go around pouncing people and 'happy slapping'. I find the whole concept a stupid, pathetic idea and the only people that partake in this activity are 'chavs' 'rudders' or 'pikies' what ever u wanna call them. Please dont say 'people wonder why i dont like the british'. I dont go around doing these things and would greatly apprechiate it if u would get the whole facts before genralising a whole nation!
Exactly! I hate Ozymandias (or whatever his name is) but that doesn't mean I hate all Americans.

Chris
06-24-2005, 06:04 AM
baited, I do believe

Kerr
06-24-2005, 06:30 AM
I would like to defend the British! Not all of us go around pouncing people and 'happy slapping'. I find the whole concept a stupid, pathetic idea and the only people that partake in this activity are 'chavs' 'rudders' or 'pikies' what ever u wanna call them. Please dont say 'people wonder why i dont like the british'. I dont go around doing these things and would greatly apprechiate it if u would get the whole facts before genralising a whole nation!
Damn right too. Well, I am British by nationality.

notoriousdoc
06-25-2005, 02:02 AM
Council estates should be burned. It's like amputating a diseased area of the body, chop it off and it won't get further

clokey43
06-25-2005, 03:18 AM
I must agree with that comment! Council estates are the breeding ground of pikies!

Preecey
06-25-2005, 03:19 AM
Take no chances! Destroy Bradford!

JohnnyNemesis
06-25-2005, 05:42 AM
It's funny, because the British stereotype often calls you folks uncaring and way too fuckin' arrogant.

I've never believed that, but sometimes some of you just fit the role way too well. It's unnerving.

Sin Studly
06-25-2005, 05:47 AM
It's just the middle and upper class limeys. The lower classes might be smelly, stupid and violent, but at least they have souls.

RXP
06-25-2005, 10:14 AM
Britain is turning into Pakistan anyway.

Preecey
06-25-2005, 10:15 AM
Like Bradford.

Noodles is gay
06-25-2005, 01:09 PM
Being Nationalist is Good!
I don't want to see immigrants from 3rd world countrys coming to mine.

Dude, that's racism.

No, it's not. He just doesn't want his country to be over-run by other nationalities, just as I don't want Britain to become over-run. It's not racism because immigration must stop somewhere. It’s not a lot to ask these unskilled people who come to Britain to learn to speak the damn language, buy car insurance/pass test and ‘integrate’, but they DO NOT – that is a fact. Hence it is not racism to want to put a stop to people coming to England, as the Tories wish to, and it’s just the same in Eros’ case.

There is indeed nothing wrong with being nationalist.



Council estates should be burned. It's like amputating a diseased area of the body, chop it off and it won't get further

yes, but that will only work if we burn the people in council estates too - otherwise they'll just go and infest somewhere else.


ps; EROS: I love your avatar - awesome film :D

Noodles is gay
06-25-2005, 01:11 PM
It's funny, because the British stereotype often calls you folks uncaring and way too fuckin' arrogant.

I've never believed that, but sometimes some of you just fit the role way too well. It's unnerving.

yes, apparently we drink an awful lot of tea and have bad teeth too....

Preecey
06-25-2005, 01:12 PM
Hence it is not racism to want to put a stop to people coming to England, as the Tories wish to
That's actually one of the few points of the Tory Party policy that I agree with. And the language barrier is really annoying.

Noodles is gay
06-25-2005, 01:15 PM
And the lack of insurance (esp. car!)
and the blatant refusal to adapt their 'culture'
and the crime
and these new 'laws'
and the drainage on the NHS
and the length of the dole queue
and........

Preecey
06-25-2005, 01:17 PM
It really is a never ending list. I really began to take notice when my uncle had a brick thrown at him (it hit him full on in the face) by a gang of youths, most of which were asians. It's the same all over.

dirty_magic
06-25-2005, 01:35 PM
every country is stereotyped in some way and in different ways by different people! not everyone in every country around the world are the same so most of these stereotypes are usually incorrect! would be boring if everyone in every country was the same, especially if everyone was a red neck!

Preecey
06-25-2005, 01:37 PM
Well I know a lot of British people are arrogent, but it isn't the case for everyone. Like me! :D
French people are supposed to be uncivilized, but I've known a few who are ok. It's all just stupid generalizations.

Chris
06-25-2005, 06:16 PM
just for the record, I disassociate myself from the majority of the "views" above

>.<

Noodles is gay
06-25-2005, 06:47 PM
just for the record, I disassociate myself from the majority of the "views" above

>.<

Labour then? :rolleyes:

Deicidal Maniac
06-25-2005, 06:48 PM
Since you roll your eyes, have you every labored in your life to make a living?

Noodles is gay
06-25-2005, 07:08 PM
The Labour party, you fucking twat. You know, it's the party which has power at the moment in England, the party which doesn't seem to mind immigrants. The above posts were talking about Tory policies; Labour's are quite the opposite.

Next time you may want to consider thinking before typing.

Deicidal Maniac
06-25-2005, 07:36 PM
I read it properly, but since you obviously have contempt for the poorer classes - which you expressed IN THIS THREAD with your asinine, "I must be far too 'middle-class' to see the point in it", comment - it was a fair query.

I notice you didn't answer it...

Sin Studly
06-26-2005, 02:18 AM
A damn good question, but one that doesn't need answering since we all already know that Jenny is a fourteen-year-old classics student with no clue how hard life can be, and has obviously never done shitkicking labour for rent money in her life.

Noodles is gay
06-26-2005, 03:43 AM
I'm 16 actually, and no, I haven't 'laboured'. Although, seeing as the age at which one can get a job in England is 16 I don't think there's much wrong with this. In addition, I'm at school from 7.30am-6pm, monday to friday, this would make it difficult to get a job, even if I did want one, due to homework etc.

I don't need a job; once I've finished university then fine; I'll get one. But for now, because I don't live in Taiwan where kids work in sweatshops, I can enjoy just going to school. :)

Sin Studly
06-26-2005, 04:08 AM
England has far more poverty than us, yet I know a handful of people who simply couldn't afford to finish highschool (even with government subsidies)

You probably have no idea people like that even exist, even though you live in a country renowned for its housing schemes and dank tenement buildings people die of TB in. You have no right to judge the poor. You have no right to a political opinion. You have no right to life.

Preecey
06-26-2005, 04:11 AM
Actually, TB is only on a rise because of the influx of people coming into the UK carrying it. We iradicated it until the 1980s or something.

Sin Studly
06-26-2005, 04:23 AM
The moist freezing tenements didn't exactly help.

RXP
06-26-2005, 04:24 AM
I don't need a job; once I've finished university then fine; I'll get one. But for now, because I don't live in Taiwan where kids work in sweatshops, I can enjoy just going to school. :)

Letme guess. Youre parents will pay all your university costs. THey wont make you get a job to pay you're own rent so you further get spoilt.

You're never gonna get a job because you don't even have any experience. If you don't get a single job until you're outside uni employers look down upon you.

wheelchairman
06-26-2005, 04:48 AM
First on the topic of immigrants Jenny,

Why on Earth should they adopt British culture? You did try and force it down their colonial throats for a while. They have every right to be whatever culture they want, compromise in multi-ethnic societies (and it is a multi-ethnic society, due largely to present and past Tory imperialism, not anything that labour did) is a necessity. Furthermore, they have no excuse to "integrate" (a terrible lie for forcing people to become whatever the hell you deem 'acceptable') until England develops some kind of a normalization scheme for ethnic minorities and immigrants. The fact that you have brain surgeons flipping burgers, should tell you something about how shitty your integration policy is. And don't go blaming it all on the Labour party, this is in large part due to Margaret Thatcher (that bitch) and her terrible class and integration policies.

Now as far as poverty goes. YOUR party, has done more to create poverty in new ways in England, than ever before. And the labour party is equally as eager to create new degrees of poverty it seems, although I honestly believe that while Blair screws up in some areas, he makes a sincere effort in others. However, it's blatantly obvious that the tories path to power has always been on the backs of the poor masses labour. It's disgusting. What's worse is, now higher education in England is next to impossible for anyone of a lower class background, unless they want to be in debt for what is likely to be the rest of their lives.

Noodles is gay
06-26-2005, 04:49 AM
Letme guess. Youre parents will pay all your university costs. THey wont make you get a job to pay you're own rent so you further get spoilt.

You're never gonna get a job because you don't even have any experience. If you don't get a single job until you're outside uni employers look down upon you.

Actually no, I'll be getting a loan to go to university.

Not once have I said that I've never had a job; I didn't think it relevant to the 'charges' against me. I was a waitress for 6 months or so but quit because I wanted to concentrate on school work. And I shall be getting a job when I'm at university, just as most students do.


Sin Studly: I have every right, and because of that I will continue to do so.

Sin Studly
06-26-2005, 05:05 AM
People who know nothing of real life don't deserve the right to hold opinions on it.

clokey43
06-26-2005, 11:45 AM
This has completly gone of context lol

Chris
06-26-2005, 11:57 AM
Labour then? :rolleyes:

You cast your unfounded judgements on a pedestal you believe you stand on, your narrow-minded views are unequivocally backwards and a relic of the past. Ultimately, you fail to see matters from a perspective other than yours.

And for the record, no.

Preecey
06-26-2005, 11:59 AM
You cast your unfounded judgements on a pedestal you believe you stand on, your narrow-minded views are unequivocally backwards and a relic of the past. Ultimately, you fail to see matters from a perspective other than yours.

And for the record, no.
You have no idea what you are about to unleash upon yourself.

Chris
06-26-2005, 12:42 PM
oh no i'm scared? or did I mistake this forum for a place to (constructively) debate matters?

Preecey
06-26-2005, 12:52 PM
Hey, I was just kidding. Chill out.

Chris
06-26-2005, 12:57 PM
heh its alright, must be the humidity

Preecey
06-26-2005, 12:59 PM
That's ok then. What I meant was that Noodles is gay gets a bit...zealous...when arguing.

TheUnholyNightbringer
06-26-2005, 03:48 PM
I don't need a job; once I've finished university then fine; I'll get one. But for now, because I don't live in Taiwan where kids work in sweatshops, I can enjoy just going to school. :)

If you have no iea what it's like, don't pretend you do. I also don't know what it's like to do backbreaking labour, and I don't pretend to. But I also don't judge what you'd call the "lower classes". I try not to judge anyone simply because of their background.

Seriously, you need to stop being such a fucking snob about everything.

Flexing Wings
06-26-2005, 04:39 PM
you need to read a paper; let me suggest The Times.

But that would suggest that I actually needed to know there was such a thing as 'happy slapping' and funnily enough, I was completely blissful in my ignorance.

Ergo. No.

TheUnholyNightbringer
06-26-2005, 04:48 PM
you need to read a paper; let me suggest The Times.

Just seen this.

There's never a good reason to read The Times. Ever.

RXP
06-26-2005, 05:02 PM
Actually no, I'll be getting a loan to go to university.



Actually no. Your parents will pay your rent. You cannot pay your rent from your loan alone.



Not once have I said that I've never had a job; I didn't think it relevant to the 'charges' against me. I was a waitress for 6 months or so but quit because I wanted to concentrate on school work. And I shall be getting a job when I'm at university, just as most students do.

Good on you. It's funny you quit it to concentrate on school work. School work is fucking easy. Wait till you try and hold down a job and do uni work. But oh shit wait you're doing classics, easy stuff.

And as Dave says. Stop being such a snob. You weren't liek this before. I don't know when it started.

~*hit_that*~
07-27-2005, 08:51 AM
I think this whole 'happy slapping' idea is so fuckin stupid, its unbelieveable!! I'm British, and I think the whole idea of 'bash the British' as someone put it, is a bit crazy. In extreme cases then I agree that the media should widely report on it, but its so over exaggerated its shocking. It's making our country look worse than it is, yeah its bad...but not that bad!!!

SicN Twisted
07-27-2005, 10:16 PM
Damn Dirty Magic's a fuckin' retard. Typical snot nosed, condescending Brit stereotying the US.