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Sin Studly
06-30-2005, 02:08 AM
Some policies you might have missed when you were busy writing an incoherant four page diatribe on how America is a fascist police-state because you're not allowed to skateboard in the mall.

- universal suffrage after age 18, including non-landowners.
- proportional representation on a regional basis.
- voting for women (which was opposed by every other European nation at the time)
- representation at government level of newly created National Councils by economic sector.
- the abolition of the Italian Senate (which were political appointments made by the King to his friends and were wholly cryto-despotic)
- an 8-hour day and a minimum wage.
- involvement of workers' representatives in industry
- reorganisation of the transport sector.
- revision of the draft law on invalidity insurance.
- reduction of the retirement age from 65 to 55.
- a peaceful but competitive foreign policy.
- a heavy progressive tax on capital (envisaging a "partial expropriation" of concentrated wealth, making the poor richer and the rich poorer)
- expropriation of the property of religious congregations by the state (ie. The Vatican City, which I'm sure you stanky liberals all hate)
- state sequestration of 85% of all war profits (from wealthy pig industrialists who profit on bloodshed)

Viva La Morte!!!!!

Norwegian Cat
06-30-2005, 04:08 AM
Nazi punks fuck off

wheelchairman
06-30-2005, 04:51 AM
The Bolsheviks did all that, long beforehand. And they did it without ridiculous Italian fascism, and Mussonlini's funny little hats.

Giving everyone sufferage is kinda pointless when you only have one party.

Sin Studly
06-30-2005, 06:04 AM
Nazi punks fuck off

Facism, not Nazism. And read the damn post, you moronic fuck. Do you disagree with any of those policies? Any of them at all? Or did you just see my avatar and decide to post your witty and insightful rebuttal, before rushing off to your livejournal to post about how the stupid pigs made you and your friends stop loitering?

By the way, Franco was a fucking hero, and I hope a some of your family died in the garrotte chair. VIVA FRANCISO PAULINO HERMENEGILDO TEODULO FRANCO Y BAHAMONDE SALGADO PARDO DE ANDRADE!!!!!! VIVA!!!!!!!! VIVA!!!!!!!!!

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/bf/GarroteExecution1901.jpg

And wcm, Bolshevikism turned into crypto-facist totalitarianism anyway. Just without the silly hats.... and they didn't do all that, I distinctly remember they never managed to abolish the Italian Senate :P

Norwegian Cat
06-30-2005, 06:13 AM
I belive it was beacause of your avatar, you freakin nazi scum.
I'm not spanish`; I'm norwegian, living in Spain, and I'm really happy there's finally a socialist party governing here, wiping out all Franco statues and putting boneheads like you behind bars. I hope you get knocked down by a truck, you goddamn fascist rat!

Sin Studly
06-30-2005, 07:10 AM
Or did you just see my avatar and decide to post your witty and insightful rebuttal

I'm the bonehead who doesn't limit my political opinions to patheticly mindless kneejerk reactions to suggestive imagery. omfgz nazi punks fuck off! You have no right to a political opinion, and no right to a poltical voice, and if you can't even rationally discuss politics you should get out of this forum.

Now, if you're going to insult me, make it count. Am I Nazi scum or a Fascist rat?

Green_Day
06-30-2005, 07:14 AM
I belive it was beacause of your avatar, you freakin nazi scum.
I'm not spanish`; I'm norwegian, living in Spain, and I'm really happy there's finally a socialist party governing here, wiping out all Franco statues and putting boneheads like you behind bars. I hope you get knocked down by a truck, you goddamn fascist rat!
i'm spanish too...n franco killed my grandfather
i'm not gonna read this topic anymore cause buff :mad: :mad: :mad:

Norwegian Cat
06-30-2005, 07:32 AM
I'm the bonehead who doesn't limit my political opinions to patheticly mindless kneejerk reactions to suggestive imagery. omfgz nazi punks fuck off! You have no right to a political opinion, and no right to a poltical voice, and if you can't even rationally discuss politics you should get out of this forum.

Now, if you're going to insult me, make it count. Am I Nazi scum or a Fascist rat?

Ok, I admit I went too far. I just saw the picture you posted and your avatar, and I don't understand that there still exists people who follow that direction. I'll try to keep this discussion rational, but I belive your expressions of hate and discrimination should also be out of this forum.

Anyway, I'm with wheelcahirman; the bolsheviks did it earlier. But I mean that Stalins reforms really destroyed the good name of communism. Lenin had a great ideology, and Trotsky the strategy to govern it. Stalin and Hitler had too much in common...

Sin Studly
06-30-2005, 11:16 AM
i'm spanish too...n franco killed my grandfather
i'm not gonna read this topic anymore cause buff :mad: :mad: :mad:

HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HA! VIVA FRANCISO PAULINO HERMENEGILDO TEODULO FRANCO Y BAHAMONDE SALGADO PARDO DE ANDRADE!!!!!! VIVA!!!!!!!! VIVA!!!!!!!!!


Ok, I admit I went too far. I just saw the picture you posted and your avatar, and I don't understand that there still exists people who follow that direction. I'll try to keep this discussion rational, but I belive your expressions of hate and discrimination should also be out of this forum.

An avatar of Hitler means nothing. The fact that you were instantly prejudiced against me shows that you're the one expressing hate and discrimination. I'd applaud your attempt to keep the discussion rational, but since it proved your incapabilty to do so, I'll just say this. Nazi punk, fuck off.

Norwegian Cat
06-30-2005, 11:31 AM
And the garrotte chair photo you just posted doesn't mean anything too? Oh well, I see that the world hasn't learned ANYTHING from WWII.

BTW
Fascism = Nazism = Racism
And I mean that using an avatar of Hitler is the worst sign of discrimination against mankind.

Ciao...

Green_Day
06-30-2005, 11:50 AM
sin studly... i said i wasn't gonna read this topic but aarrgghhh... i hope someday u figure out u r just one of their tools, they r using u.... what do u win bein racist? or nazi.. call it what u will, it's just the same... what do u win?? what did hitler or franco do for you?? just tell me...

FOD! hijo de puta!

T-6005
06-30-2005, 12:00 PM
sin studly... i said i wasn't gonna read this topic but aarrgghhh... i hope someday u figure out u r just one of their tools, they r using u.... what do u win bein racist? or nazi.. call it what u will, it's just the same... what do u win?? what did hitler or franco do for you?? just tell me...

FOD! hijo de puta!

I wouldn't say that being nazi and racist are the same thing, honestly. There are racists everywhere.

But anyways. I will agree that racism is wrong. Not that it's got much to do with the thread.

Green_Day
06-30-2005, 12:03 PM
I wouldn't say that being nazi and racist are the same thing, honestly. There are racists everywhere.

But anyways. I will agree that racism is wrong. Not that it's got much to do with the thread.

i mean u don't have to be nazi to be racist, but if u r nazi u r racist

Sin Studly
07-01-2005, 02:26 AM
Not at all, there are modern national socialist groups that aren't at all racist. Nationalistic and conservative sure, but not racist.

But a statement like Fascism = Nazism = Racism is as intelligent and accurate as Communism = Anarchism = Faggot.

If you people really must know my political leanings, I think the most accurate way to describe them might be that politically I lean towards pseudodemocratic cryptofascism with civil libertarianism.

But hey, that = nazi = racist, right?

Sin Studly
07-01-2005, 02:30 AM
what did hitler or franco do for you?? just tell me...

Hitler killed six million Jews, and Franco killed your grandfather. What didn't they do for me. ¿Tu garaje no tiene vigas?

House_boy
07-01-2005, 04:17 AM
it is same then communist manifesto

wheelchairman
07-01-2005, 05:22 AM
it is same then communist manifesto
You don't know what a bolshevik is, do you?

barangatang
07-01-2005, 06:24 AM
I'm the bonehead who doesn't limit my political opinions to patheticly mindless kneejerk reactions to suggestive imagery. omfgz nazi punks fuck off! You have no right to a political opinion, and no right to a poltical voice, and if you can't even rationally discuss politics you should get out of this forum.

Now, if you're going to insult me, make it count. Am I Nazi scum or a Fascist rat?

both.................but i do see your point

barangatang
07-01-2005, 06:27 AM
Hitler killed six million Jews, and Franco killed your grandfather. What didn't they do for me. ¿Tu garaje no tiene vigas?

translate the last sentence........................

barangatang
07-03-2005, 12:36 PM
ahhhhhhhhhhh thnx

Green_Day
07-03-2005, 02:46 PM
Hitler killed six million Jews, and Franco killed your grandfather. What didn't they do for me. ¿Tu garaje no tiene vigas?

ok... so u don't have any intelligent argument
now, at least do you know what did my grandfhater do to be killed?no, u don't know, so shut the fuck up

greek
07-03-2005, 03:15 PM
listen my opinion. communists started a civil war in greece. they killed my grand-grand father. they don't like their country. they hate fasists. i think they are more strict than real fasists. also most of them have low i.q. and don't know what they believe and if they believe!

Sin Studly
07-03-2005, 06:39 PM
ok... so u don't have any intelligent argument
now, at least do you know what did my grandfhater do to be killed?no, u don't know, so shut the fuck up

I just wish they got him before he managed to conceive children.

And I agree with the Greek kid. Fascists > Commies.

T-6005
07-03-2005, 11:54 PM
Of course, an absolute monarchy where I'm in control would be best.

Green_Day
07-04-2005, 03:06 AM
Please, tell us. I seriously doubt he did anything special.

he did nothing, just existed, that's why they killed him
n my other grandfather, who is alive, fighted against franco. i don't mean they should had killed my other grand father, but is it normal?

Sin Studly
07-04-2005, 03:51 AM
In other words he did something so morally reprehensible your family lies about it.

So it's good that Franco killed him. Once again, Viva Franciso Paulino Hermenegildo Teodule Franco Y Bahamonde Salgado Pardo De Andrade. Viva.

Green_Day
07-04-2005, 03:56 AM
In other words he did something so morally reprehensible your family lies about it.




no, that's not true, my family doesn't lie, my other grandfather did "something so morally reprehensible" and my family doesn't lie about it... why should the lie about the other one?

by the way, that "something so morally reprehensible" was just what franco n their slaves did to them...

Sin Studly
07-04-2005, 03:58 AM
You're an idiot, your grandfather was obviously a paedophile, and it's a blessing that Franco put the sick bastard dog down.

Green_Day
07-04-2005, 04:04 AM
You're an idiot, your grandfather was obviously a paedophile, and it's a blessing that Franco put the sick bastard dog down.

lol i see u don't have any intelligent argument yet... i'm not gonna talk to you cause it's like i'm talking to a wall

Sin Studly
07-04-2005, 07:11 AM
*sighs*

I'll spell it out for you then. There is a reason your grandfather was killed. It might not have been a very good reason, but it would have been better than "just for existing". The fact that you were told this proves he was killed for something vile and reprehensible and your family are unwilling to discuss it until you're somewhat older.

Green_Day
07-04-2005, 07:15 AM
The fact that you were told this proves he was killed for something vile and reprehensible and your family are unwilling to discuss it until you're somewhat older.

i'm younger than you... but more mature, they wouldn't lie about something important

Sin Studly
07-04-2005, 08:23 AM
They'd tell you if your grandfather raped small children?

Green_Day
07-04-2005, 08:42 AM
They'd tell you if your grandfather raped small children?

how can i make u understand...
he lived his life, a normal life, like normal ppl, he was not a soldier, he was just a farmer who worked hard to feed his family, he didn't fight against franco, against anybody, he just tried to live a normal life!! but they killed him just like they killed other inocent ppl

Sin Studly
07-04-2005, 09:30 AM
He must have done something, or been suspected of doing something, or they wouldn't have killed him. Apparantly your family is lying to you because your grandfather is a paedophile. This is so mindbogglingly obvious it's amazing you didn't realise it earlier.

Green_Day
07-04-2005, 10:37 AM
He must have done something, or been suspected of doing something, or they wouldn't have killed him. Apparantly your family is lying to you because your grandfather is a paedophile. This is so mindbogglingly obvious it's amazing you didn't realise it earlier.

*sighs* no new arguments... u r insisting n insisting. he did NOTHING n he was killed... if u still think that franco was a hero or something u r a dumbass

Sin Studly
07-04-2005, 10:54 AM
he did NOTHING n he was killed...

This is impossible. There's a secret your family isn't telling you. A horrible, dark secret. Stop asking for new arguments just to divert attention away from this obvious truth. And by the way...


i'm not gonna read this topic anymore


i'm not gonna talk to you cause it's like i'm talking to a wall


You just can't get enough of me, can you?

T-6005
07-04-2005, 11:16 AM
Honestly - Fucking hell, you know that making an accusation like "he's a pedophile" is unfounded.

Having said that, it sure works to push Green Day's buttons.

Anywho - the guy's grandfather probably tried too hard to live a normal life, wasn't found fervent enough in his dedication, and was killed. End of story.

Although he may have been a pedophile.

Green_Day
07-04-2005, 12:23 PM
Honestly - Fucking hell, you know that making an accusation like "he's a pedophile" is unfounded.

Having said that, it sure works to push Green Day's buttons.

Anywho - the guy's grandfather probably tried too hard to live a normal life, wasn't found fervent enough in his dedication, and was killed. End of story.

Although he may have been a pedophile.

*girl's grandfather

that's all

T-6005
07-04-2005, 12:31 PM
Sorry about that. I didn't know.

Sin Studly
07-04-2005, 10:59 PM
Anywho - the guy's grandfather probably tried too hard to live a normal life, wasn't found fervent enough in his dedication, and was killed. End of story.

That's different to "he got killed just for existing", and thats what she would have been told. In fact, if that was the case she'd probably get told he was killed for defying Franco. The fact that her family says he was killed for no reason speaks volumes, and while me claiming he's a paedophile is unfounded, it's fairly obvious that there was something pretty bad going on that nobody wants to discuss or accept.

Maybe he was a paedophile, maybe he was a serial rapist, maybe he worked with Franco and eventually lost his trust, we'll never know. But it's pretty obvious there's more to the man than what Green_Day has been told. Viva Franco!

Green_Day
07-05-2005, 04:50 AM
maybe he worked with Franco

never!! i prefer that he were a rapist than that


Sorry about that. I didn't know.

it's ok ;)

Sin Studly
07-05-2005, 05:04 AM
Maybe he did both. Your family obviously isn't going to tell you until you're older, if at all.

wheelchairman
07-06-2005, 07:50 AM
One person in this thread makes me sick. And it's not Sin Studly.

No wait, you all make me sick except sin studly. and he's a fascist, so what does that say about you people?

Sin Studly
07-06-2005, 09:07 AM
Especially keeping in mind that he's a Marxist, that really says bad things about you fuckstains.

wheelchairman
07-07-2005, 07:41 AM
Yeah I'm supposed to love everybody. Thank you people for shattering my optimism!

Sin Studly
07-07-2005, 07:45 AM
Come to the dark side, Per.

http://www.americanfascistmovement.com/afmstore/italiafasces.jpg

The winning side.

wheelchairman
07-07-2005, 07:54 AM
What's brilliant about the American Fascist Movement is that their presidential candidate was just this sleezeball wearing a goofy helmut. Genius marketing. I think I had a friend who voted for them.

Sin Studly
07-07-2005, 07:59 AM
So basically what you're saying is ; the price of a goofy helmet is the only thing standing between me and a political career?

Splinteryourself
07-07-2005, 08:02 AM
Screw all the NAZIs.. just lick some ass of hitler with some mustard, and tell me how does it taste.

ShadowPyro
07-07-2005, 08:07 AM
Screw all the NAZIs.. just lick some ass of hitler with some mustard, and tell me how does it taste.
... It's FASCHISM! Fascist’s. Not fucking Nazi's.

wheelchairman
07-07-2005, 08:10 AM
So basically what you're saying is ; the price of a goofy helmet is the only thing standing between me and a political career?
I saw a promo video of the Fascist One Party in Australia (I don't think they exist.) However, it was very convincing. Totally bonus. Let me see if I can find it.

hmmm apparently a real party, just got bombed with people whining. It was done like those annoying "intellectual" IBM commercials.

Sin Studly
07-07-2005, 10:07 AM
Screw all the NAZIs.. just lick some ass of hitler with some mustard, and tell me how does it taste.

Hitler's been dead for 60 years, so I'm afraid I wouldn't know. Please be sure to tell me how Kim Jong Il's tastes, though. Y'know, just drop me an email in three years when he owns your pussy little South Korea too.

ShadowPyro
07-07-2005, 10:19 AM
I didn't read this all but, this caught my eye.


listen my opinion. communists started a civil war in greece.
So what the fuck? The communist's did more damage to Poland then the Nazi's. They started a civil war. They controlled us for years after the war. Shut the fuck up and live.

http://www.incentraleurope.com/pictures/c/ice/1980.jpg

Pole's had to wave those flags and chant in the streets for 20+ fucking years before they were free. Civil wars and shit happened. Get over your countries losses.

Norwegian Cat
07-08-2005, 07:14 AM
The communist's did more damage to Poland then the Nazi's.

Er... Don't say that. I belive you mean: The STALINISTS did more damage to Poland than the nazis.

Stalin converted Lenin's great communist project into a dictatorship. Stalinism is not so different from Fascism.

wheelchairman
07-08-2005, 08:37 AM
Stalinism doesn't exist as an ideology. Just a method of rule. And is distinctly different from Nazism in many ways.

However it was imperialist in many ways. Although saying that Stalin was worse to Poland than the Nazis, is ridiculously stupid.

Norwegian Cat
07-08-2005, 08:54 AM
Stalinism doesn't exist as an ideology. Just a method of rule. And is distinctly different from Nazism in many ways.

However it was imperialist in many ways. Although saying that Stalin was worse to Poland than the Nazis, is ridiculously stupid.

Yeah, maybe you're right about the fact that the nazis were worse.

I mean stalinism (method of rule) is imperialistic, but it's not so different from Hitler's fascism. I'm sure you remember the time when Hitler and Stalin walked hand in hand, dividing the world like a cake.

wheelchairman
07-08-2005, 09:07 AM
A Non-Aggression Pact is hardly walking "hand in hand."

And there is a difference in Stalinist rule and Nazism. Extreme economic differences. Differences in the handling of inmates. Differences with regards to religion. Differences with regards to classes of people. Differences with regards to just about everything.