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Jack the Tripper
07-11-2005, 02:36 PM
Why the fuck do people from every country come here if all you people from other countries hate us so much? No one move to other countries. No one's gonna feel sorry for you just becasue you live in a shit hole. You can just move if you're jealous of Americans.

Norwegian Cat
07-11-2005, 02:50 PM
Shut up, man. Nobody's jealous of America. Nobody hates America. EVERYBODY HATES BUSH AND THE SCREWED UP AMERICAN EXTERN AND INTERN POLICY!

Jack the Tripper
07-11-2005, 02:52 PM
Shut up, man. Nobody's jealous of America. Nobody hates America. EVERYBODY HATES BUSH AND THE SCREWED UP AMERICAN EXTERN AND INTERN POLICY!
I guess that does make a little more sense than my theory. Everyone hates George Bush but not everyone hates America.

Preecey
07-11-2005, 02:59 PM
People who just hate Americans in general are hated by all.

offspring kid
07-11-2005, 03:01 PM
i dont hate Americans or America i just hate Bush !

Noodles is gay
07-11-2005, 03:15 PM
I don't 'hate' anyone - Americans just have a tendency to annoy me (more than most people, it must be said though). :rolleyes:

Kerr
07-11-2005, 04:08 PM
I don't hate anyone from any country... well, the French CAN be slightly annoying, but no, I don't hate countries. I might even move to America when I am older.

The-Offspring-RuLe
07-11-2005, 04:25 PM
I don't hate any countries, what's the poin't it's not like my opinion isnt going to do much good to the world

TheUnholyNightbringer
07-11-2005, 08:06 PM
Why the fuck do people from every country come here if all you people from other countries hate us so much? No one move to other countries. No one's gonna feel sorry for you just becasue you live in a shit hole. You can just move if you're jealous of Americans.

So if you don't live in America, you live in a shit-hole?

clokey43
07-12-2005, 02:30 AM
Who cares what people like and hate, just get on with your life and dont make stupid unsubstanciated remarks!

RXP
07-12-2005, 03:30 AM
People say they hate regime change but there's about a couple 100,000 in Zimbabwe that would welcome it. America's foreign policy angers people, but without it the world would be a much worse place. America might be selfish, do it for alterior motives but their foreign policy is sometimes necessary. I agree on rare occasions it isn't. But most of the time it is.

And most are jealous of yankees and the west. Can't blame them. We've raped the rest of the world in years past.

barangatang
07-12-2005, 03:59 AM
So if you don't live in America, you live in a shit-hole?

i live in a shit hole IN america

RXP
07-12-2005, 04:38 AM
Why am I answering this seriously?

Mabye you're not stoaned? Smoke up.

Sin Studly
07-13-2005, 04:45 PM
Make your own out of some aluminium foil and a toilet-paper roll, plastic coke bottle, length of garden hose... the possibilities are endless.

In high school we used to play rock-paper-scissors to see who'd have to sneak into somebodies backyard with a pair of scissors to steal us some garden hose to use as a bongstem.

ruroken
07-13-2005, 05:09 PM
So if you don't live in America, you live in a shit-hole?
I was thinking "What the fuck is he talking about? He doesn't live in America."
Damn shitheaded thread.
America... uh... sucks?

[Warning] Nimrod In Town
07-13-2005, 05:11 PM
Bush is my idol. America is my idol city.

ruroken
07-13-2005, 05:17 PM
Fuck Bush. They should bring Bill Clinton back in. Bill Clinton kicks ass!

Sin Studly
07-13-2005, 05:36 PM
Name one thing Clinton did that makes him any better than Bush (apart from getting head in the Oval Office, obviously).

ruroken
07-13-2005, 05:39 PM
He just... kicks ass...

Damn he's cool!! Funny, wierd... person...

Sin Studly
07-13-2005, 06:06 PM
Ah, a politically sound argument. Kudos.

ruroken
07-13-2005, 06:08 PM
Yay! Sarcasm! :D

Offspring-Fanatic
07-14-2005, 03:19 PM
whats all your problem with Bush??

Offspring-Fanatic
07-14-2005, 03:21 PM
plus clinton is having some issues i hear..

i think it was a while ago but i think its funny how clinton when out for a run...to a mcdonalds

bd007h
07-14-2005, 03:23 PM
whats all your problem with Bush??

besides the fact that he's a fucking moron........ :rolleyes:

Offspring-Fanatic
07-14-2005, 03:27 PM
so he can't pronounce nuclear right!! well he was better than "jaw too large" Kerry

Offspring-Fanatic
07-14-2005, 03:34 PM
well look at this video:

http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/bomb.php

Offspring-Fanatic
07-14-2005, 03:39 PM
this one is good too, click This Land:

http://www.jibjab.com/162.html

and then after that this one:


http://www.jibjab.com/166.html

bd007h
07-14-2005, 03:41 PM
so he can't pronounce nuclear right!! well he was better than "jaw too large" Kerry

That's not even a small percentage of the things that prove he's a moron.
Why did he try to wave at Stevie Wonder at a beneficial concert? Stevie Wonder is blind!

not to mention:

http://politicalhumor.about.com/library/graphics/bush_bookupsidedown.jpg

http://politicalhumor.about.com/library/graphics/bush_binoculars.jpg




http://www.bushisamoron.org/default.php

Offspring-Fanatic
07-14-2005, 03:43 PM
of course. ur a frickin democrat

he's done some good things too!

look: saddam is gone and locked away with all the doritos he desires
taxes are lower
restoring the economy of arabic nations

bd007h
07-14-2005, 03:48 PM
yeah, if saddam is out of power, why are we still over there? Now that he's out of the way, why don't we focus on our own domestic problems?? There are poor families here in America too. We're in the middle of the biggest Economic recession since the Great Depression in the 1930s.

Offspring-Fanatic
07-14-2005, 03:55 PM
well they're restoring the arabic countries and not our towns because we are a lot better off than them. their towns have been destroyed, its in poor shape, people don't have very many rights, they need more help than we do

bd007h
07-14-2005, 03:58 PM
well they're restoring the arabic countries and not our towns because we are a lot better off than them. their towns have been destroyed, its in poor shape, people don't have very many rights, they need more help than we do


whatever. I don't wanna argue. I'm not really big on politics, I just don't like Bush.

NES
07-14-2005, 04:32 PM
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Chris
07-14-2005, 09:08 PM
Wednesday July 13th 2005 Reuters - Paris

Prime Minister Chirac has officially raised the French terror alert level from "Run" to "Hide " .There are only two higher levels in France -they are " Surrender " and "Collaborate " .

The rise was precipitated by a recent fire which destroyed France's white flag factory - effectively crippling their military capability.

Offspring-Fanatic
07-14-2005, 09:43 PM
i think that dude is a spammer

dain84
10-05-2005, 09:06 AM
That's not even a small percentage of the things that prove he's a moron.
Why did he try to wave at Stevie Wonder at a beneficial concert? Stevie Wonder is blind!

not to mention:

http://politicalhumor.about.com/library/graphics/bush_bookupsidedown.jpg

http://politicalhumor.about.com/library/graphics/bush_binoculars.jpg




http://www.bushisamoron.org/default.php

Those pics are hilarious, but Snopes proved them to be fake....

Nothing From Something
10-05-2005, 09:51 AM
whats all your problem with Bush??
First of all, never trust a man that says "We will make Ameirca a literate country and a hopefuller country."

But seriously, problems with George Bush? How about the fact that against all better judgement he used apparent uranium sales to Iraq as part justification for the invasion of the country? That was bullshit, but it didn't stop him saying it. Furthermore, how about the fact that his inital reason for this whole bullshit expedition was to find weapons of mass destruction that Hussein supposedly had? Despite innumerable weapons inspections that occurred there in the ten years leading up to the invasion all concluding that Iraq had no weapons, he still pushed for war. Note that as soon as the USA, Great Britain and Australia were in there and couldn't find anything resembling what they'd gone in there to find, the story changed.

So there we were, a month or so into the invasion, saying that the reason we went in was in order to bring Saddam and his brutal regime out of power. What the fuck? That wasn't what we were told when going in. That may have been a suitable cause for let's say, the past twenty years or so, and it only comes along at THAT point in proceedings? Does anyone else smell bullshit? Ulterior motives? Granted, Hussein was a fucking prick and the shit he did to the people of his country was fucked up, but the US, Great Britain and Australia going in with guns flying has only served to fuck things up further.

We may have achieved the de-throning of Hussein, but we have destroyed infrastructure and killed scores of Iraqi civillians. We have stopped the entrance of trucks carrying foods and medicines, causing countless deaths which would be otherwise prevented. What has this done? Increased hostility towards the West over in the Middle East. All that leads to is MORE cultural barriers. Despite what bullshit sensationalist new broadcasts may tell you, over 95% of terrorist attacks are caused by political reasons such as occupation of other countries. Then, there's also the fact that Bush is trying to ENFORCE a poltical system in that country yet still has the nerve to call it democracy.

You can speak of Bush "fixing economies" but the motherfucker is still ruining them! He (along with Blair and Howard) is responsible for so much death and destruction. How can you support someone like that? If you seriously want more problems that I have with the man... I'll perhaps give them to you at a later date.

*danni*
10-05-2005, 11:09 AM
i dont like bush either, i think hes just so thick and i pity america for being lead by him... i dont hate all americans but the steriotypical american gets on my nerves; all that bigger is better shit therefore america is the best... meh thats just my opinion which counts for diddily squit

kami_mathieu
10-05-2005, 11:31 AM
-I've never been to america
-I dont want to live there
-I dont live in a piece of shit country
-I dont hate america (that mutch) I hate its government, if they want to fuck up america thats fine, but dont start fucking up other countries.

Italia311
10-05-2005, 02:11 PM
I don't hate Americans, Im right on the door step and have family there. Just like anywhere, there are always a bunch of fucking idiots that ruin it for everyone.

DUNCS
10-05-2005, 05:28 PM
I dont hate the yanks, but do feel sorry for them for having Bush.

I know loads of folk who have said they will never go back to America that have been there loads of times, not because they are paranoid about terrorism, but because the US still are and are adopting a method of security that is way over the top, and at random give anyone a real grilling just after getting off the plane, "WHY ARE YOU HERE?", "WHATS YOUR BUSINESS?", "WHY CAN'T YOU GO SOMEWHERE ELSE?", "WHATS YOUR MAJOR MALFUNCTION?"etc
A few years ago they gave my dad a real hard time becuase he has middle eastern stamps in his passport, becuase he lived and worked there. He was landing in Detroit to then fly to the camon(spelling?) islands the next day!!!

T-6005
10-06-2005, 02:14 AM
I dont hate the yanks, but do feel sorry for them for having Bush.

I know loads of folk who have said they will never go back to America that have been there loads of times, not because they are paranoid about terrorism, but because the US still are and are adopting a method of security that is way over the top, and at random give anyone a real grilling just after getting off the plane, "WHY ARE YOU HERE?", "WHATS YOUR BUSINESS?", "WHY CAN'T YOU GO SOMEWHERE ELSE?", "WHATS YOUR MAJOR MALFUNCTION?"etc
A few years ago they gave my dad a real hard time becuase he has middle eastern stamps in his passport, becuase he lived and worked there. He was landing in Detroit to then fly to the camon(spelling?) islands the next day!!!

Caiman, I believe.

And I think the source of US-aimed terrorism will be prone to a lot of suspicion. I don't think it's wrong to base it on middle eastern stamps or passports. It is probably that that's where the danger is from.

boertush
10-06-2005, 02:45 AM
I don't hate America I hate Bush and I hate the hysterical people there.
Like the thing with Janet Jakson who gives a fuck its just a nipple I'm pretty sure everyone has a nipple or 2.
And then you realise that America has the greatest and biggest pornindustry in the world.
ehm..thats what I meant with hysterical :p

wheelchairman
10-06-2005, 03:53 AM
This is retarded. You justify your prejudice against Americans by saying you hate Bush, and then saying that you think Americans are dumb and hysterical.

dirty_magic
10-06-2005, 06:08 AM
in the words of fat mike

"nobody likes us, everybody hates us, americans (boom boom), americans"

Vera
10-06-2005, 06:11 AM
in the words of fat mike

"nobody likes us, everybody hates us, americans (boom boom), americans"
NoFX - wisdom from a wise country.

glescapunk
10-06-2005, 06:16 AM
people in this country(uk) who hate the usa usually hate britain too one is because they are jealous, the other because they feel guilty tthat we also ruled the world,now they are scared of upsetting any one so theyed let everycunt walk over the top of us if they could.

agreth
10-09-2005, 05:23 PM
Caiman, I believe.

And I think the source of US-aimed terrorism will be prone to a lot of suspicion. I don't think it's wrong to base it on middle eastern stamps or passports. It is probably that that's where the danger is from.
actually, it's 'cayman'. learn to spell frenchy.

and just for the record, I can safely say I'll never live in the US. there are a few cities I wouldn't mind visiting, but living there just doesn't appeal to me.

Nikako22
10-13-2005, 09:07 AM
ok do you hate bush because A) His beaten down your liberal policies of socio-demographic death or B) Because he went to war to help protect you when your own government was to busy squabling with the other nations of europe over what table scraps of power are left on your own continent. Some of the things Bush has done are yes bad( Such as his amnesty of the illegal aliens from Mexico and his continued ignoring of the problem.). However the war in Iraq is not entirely his fault. CONGRESS VOTED TO GO TO WAR!!! The president in fact has very little power compared to the oligarchian regime which is the Supreme Court and the self serving houses of congress. Granted we should not have tried to set up a democracy in Iraq... it won't work you cannot have a democracy in an Islamic country its impossible, democracy and Islam don't mix. You may say look at Turkey, but Turkey is only a democracy compared to the government of the Iyatolya in Iran. Turkey is an Islamic Republic which means it still follows and is ruled by the Shiya'rah (Islamic Religious Law,spelling might be off). If you look at the situation in Iraq you will see that we will be there for 10 years and the best possibility is an Islamic Republic(That is very regretable). We should have gone to war and beat up on Saddam and then left Saddam in power, Saddam was a check to fundementalist Islam in the middle east.(But in the end the war in Iraq was a bi-partisan movement and the WMD's were not a deliberate lie mis-intelligence which has been rectified.All intelligence agency's in the world "knew" that Iraq had WMD's, so don't bitch about Bush.) Also I have seen that you have said already that a majority of europeans do not hate america which is good and I will continue on that only to the point of telling you not to knock your protectors. The American military does not only protect America's intrests but also Europes intrests abroad. The European nations military's w/exception to Britians are about 20 or 30 years behind the American military (Britian is only 5-10 years behind).
As for Bush's internal policies(I already discussed his Illegal Immigration policies) he has not moved on Abortion which he needs to to follow through his promises for his constituency. As for social welfare it needs to be gotten rid of, with Bush's proposed plan of private retirement funds you would be able to retire earlier (as early as 48) and recieve more money. Another policy of Bush's that I do not approve of is his extremely large spending, and continued efforts to enlarge the governments low level administration and workers.
Also a large reason for Bush's re-election was that he showed that America would not back down she would defend herself. This is simply a difference in character between Europes outlook and Americas. This trend began with the Barbary Pirates in the administration of Thomas Jefferson. Congress refused to pay "protection" money to the pirates of the North African Barbary states, and so they raised money to crush them. Europe continued to pay bribes.

punk_rocker
10-13-2005, 09:58 AM
u have a chimp for a president wat mor can i say. however we have a puppet so were not that much better off!!! lol

wheelchairman
10-13-2005, 10:55 AM
No one's going to read more than your first sentence, Nikako, if you don't use PARAGRAPHS.

killer_queen
10-13-2005, 11:05 AM
Turkey is an Islamic Republic which means it still follows and is ruled by the Shiya'rah (Islamic Religious Law,spelling might be off).
No, it's not, you idiot. Don't talk if you don't know anything.

Nikako22
10-13-2005, 01:33 PM
I always thought he looked like a bird

Nikako22
10-13-2005, 01:34 PM
And yes it is an Islamic Republic falling towards Islamic theocracy again thats why France and The Dutch wouldnt ratify the EU constitution

wheelchairman
10-13-2005, 02:19 PM
Wrong.

France and Holland having a bad attitude towards the middle east, does not make a Republic into an Islamic Republic. You really suck at history. You're like...90 years behind on Turkish history.

Nikako22
10-13-2005, 02:50 PM
No you have no idea what your talking about their "bad attitude" is founded in fact. If they ratified the EU constitution within probably around 25 or 30 years most of Europes population would be muslim and you would all live under Sahi'ra. What I've said is goin to happen in 50 years without an EU with EU it would be much shorter. You can ask someone from Turkey they have an Islamic Republic not an actual republic, they live under much of Sahi'ra. Though they are better then the Ayatollya's if you think what the Ayatollya's have is an islamic republic then that is not what I mean by an Islamic Republic and you do not even know what a republic is.

wheelchairman
10-13-2005, 03:01 PM
No you have no idea what your talking about their "bad attitude" is founded in fact. If they ratified the EU constitution within probably around 25 or 30 years most of Europes population would be muslim and you would all live under Sahi'ra. What I've said is goin to happen in 50 years without an EU with EU it would be much shorter. You can ask someone from Turkey they have an Islamic Republic not an actual republic, they live under much of Sahi'ra. Though they are better then the Ayatollya's if you think what the Ayatollya's have is an islamic republic then that is not what I mean by an Islamic Republic and you do not even know what a republic is.
Quit sounding ignorant. There is a lot wrong with Turkey. However the Turkish Democratic government is far more democratic than the Majlis in Iran. There for example, is the complete lack of a Supreme Islamic Council.

Shari'a is not officially instituted in Turkey. The veil is forbidden, etc. etc.

What you are spouting, is the ignorant nonsense of the Right-wing nationalists of the EU (particularly Le Penn in France).

How does allowing Turkey into the EU mean that we will all be muslims living under Shari'a? That makes no sense whatsoever. There is no logical connection between the two events.

T-6005
10-13-2005, 03:16 PM
What you are spouting, is the ignorant nonsense of the Right-wing nationalists of the EU (particularly Le Penn in France).

Right on... that man is unbelievably aggravating.

wheelchairman
10-13-2005, 03:20 PM
Right on... that man is unbelievably aggravating.
What's really stupid is saying that the Turkish government is as bad as the Ayatollahs.

[Warning] Nimrod In Town
10-13-2005, 04:13 PM
Look at it this way, Bush is kinda one of the strongest man on the planet.

T-6005
10-13-2005, 04:17 PM
Have you been reading the rest of the topics?

And I'm not too up to date on Turkey versus Iran's systems. Last I heard Iran was worse and Turkey was reforming for a slightly more western approach, but I can't even remember when that was. Hell, even if nothing's changed your statement is correct, WCM.

[Warning] Nimrod In Town
10-13-2005, 04:18 PM
Me? Well, this is an America topic.

wheelchairman
10-13-2005, 04:19 PM
Have you been reading the rest of the topics?

And I'm not too up to date on Turkey versus Iran's systems. Last I heard Iran was worse and Turkey was reforming for a slightly more western approach, but I can't even remember when that was. Hell, even if nothing's changed your statement is correct, WCM.
Turkey has been taking a western reform pattern since Ataturk. I think that was 1917 or 1914? My memory fails me.

Iran actually isn't that bad. I mean it could be worse, it could be Saudi Arabia.

wheelchairman
10-13-2005, 04:49 PM
I've had too much coffee, and can't sleep. So I'm going to reply to this in whole.



ok do you hate bush because A) His beaten down your liberal policies of socio-demographic death
What the hell is a socio-demographic death? And how did he beat our 'liberal' (Europeans would say Social-Democratic.)?




or B) Because he went to war to help protect you when your own government was to busy squabling with the other nations of europe over what table scraps of power are left on your own continent.
How did he protect our governments? It seems to me, that we've only become more vulnerable by entering an escalating cycle of violence.


Some of the things Bush has done are yes bad( Such as his amnesty of the illegal aliens from Mexico and his continued ignoring of the problem.).
That was one of the few good things he did. It was possible the only attempt he ever made at creating less social inequality.


However the war in Iraq is not entirely his fault. CONGRESS VOTED TO GO TO WAR!!!
Based entirely on lies presented by his Cabinet.
1. Saddam never had any contact to Islamic Extremists ever, in fact, Ba'athism was an anti-Islamic movement based on Pan-Arabic nationalism.

2. Saddam never purchased Nukes from anywhere in Africa.

3. Saddam had no WMDs. The Bush cabinet claimed to have proof of all of these, and none of them were true. It was an abuse of power as head of State.



The president in fact has very little power compared to the oligarchian regime which is the Supreme Court
The Supreme Court which he appoints. And the terrible regimes of Elected Representatives, omg!




and the self serving houses of congress.
As opposed to the completely selfless Executive Branch?



Granted we should not have tried to set up a democracy in Iraq... it won't work you cannot have a democracy in an Islamic country its impossible, democracy and Islam don't mix.
What would you know about Islam and Democracy? There were countries in the Middle East, that had functioning democracies, before we went and installed monarchic regimes on them.


You may say look at Turkey, but Turkey is only a democracy compared to the government of the Iyatolya in Iran.
And America is only a democracy compared to Uzbekistan, what's your point?


Turkey is an Islamic Republic which means it still follows and is ruled by the Shiya'rah (Islamic Religious Law,spelling might be off).
What do you know of Shari'a or Turkey? Because you seem to have forgotten the past 90 years of Turkish history, completely.


If you look at the situation in Iraq you will see that we will be there for 10 years and the best possibility is an Islamic Republic(That is very regretable).
I have no clue how you came to this conclusion. There can't be a functioning democracy because of a huge foreign military occupation, which has spurned the reaction of a huge anti-occupational resistance, which prevents the coalition from enforcing any type of security whatsoever. Our presence has increased muslim-extremism, by turning it into a focal point for the Islamic movements.



We should have gone to war and beat up on Saddam and then left Saddam in power, Saddam was a check to fundementalist Islam in the middle east.Why should we have 'beat up on him' them?


(But in the end the war in Iraq was a bi-partisan movement and the WMD's were not a deliberate lie mis-intelligence which has been rectified.All intelligence agency's in the world "knew" that Iraq had WMD's, so don't bitch about Bush.)
So if all the other intelligence agencies jumped off a bridge, the CIA would too?


Also I have seen that you have said already that a majority of europeans do not hate america which is good and I will continue on that only to the point of telling you not to knock your protectors.
Terrorism due to Muslim extremism has increased since the war, rather than decreased. We are now legitimate targets of war. How have you protected us?


The American military does not only protect America's intrests but also Europes intrests abroad.
I'm sure it does. Because, Denmark has such an interest in Afghanistan and Iraq.


The European nations military's w/exception to Britians are about 20 or 30 years behind the American military (Britian is only 5-10 years behind).
Traditionally, it's only been useful for aiding against natural disasters.


As for Bush's internal policies(I already discussed his Illegal Immigration policies) he has not moved on Abortion which he needs to to follow through his promises for his constituency. Abortion is a personal right that no government should have sovereighnty over.


As for social welfare it needs to be gotten rid of, with Bush's proposed plan of private retirement funds you would be able to retire earlier (as early as 48) and recieve more money.
Social welfare in Europe has meant that we don't have any homeless. I grew up in Eugene, Oregon. A not-too-large town, where I would see homeless everyday. It saddens me that a town of 120,000 has more homeless, than Copenhagen which has a population of 1,500,000. Something is terribly wrong with Bush's interior policy, and with that of his predecessors.


Another policy of Bush's that I do not approve of is his extremely large spending, and continued efforts to enlarge the governments low level administration and workers.
Wouldn't that help the economy though? By giving more people an income on which to consume with?


Also a large reason for Bush's re-election was that he showed that America would not back down she would defend herself. This is simply a difference in character between Europes outlook and Americas.
I've lived here for 5 years, and I can say the cultural and social differences between America and Europe are far more complicated. Please stop sounding so ignorant. Bush's re-election is coupled with a pathetically undemocratic two party system over a large landmass. An absurdly large amount of voter-indifference, not to mention fraud.




This trend began with the Barbary Pirates in the administration of Thomas Jefferson. Congress refused to pay "protection" money to the pirates of the North African Barbary states, and so they raised money to crush them. Europe continued to pay bribes.
Actually, that is one of the worst comparisons a person can make.

Nikako22
10-13-2005, 06:05 PM
Socio--Demographic. Have you never heard the term demographic it refers to population over a certain amount of territory. First his illegal immigrant programs. They have broken the law it is not that I am against immigration but them doing it illegal is invasion of our borders, they don't need to be encouraged to break the law the law needs to be enforced. He did not appoint all of the supreme court and there are several casses where after a president would appoint a justice a justice would reveal his true colors.Also the supreme court was not meant to be oligarchian in nature in the original constitution, we have Marbury v. Madison for that.
To your questioning me about the knowledge of Shar'ia and Turkey. I have read a little thing called the Qu'ran which holds the Shar'ia in it, the Shar'ia is extremely sexist,and religiously discriminant. It forces peoples who do not belong to Islam to pay special taxes, it does not allow them to build churches, it does not allow them to worship publicly,hold office, ect. In its regards to women they cannot leave the home without a husband they cannot show their faces in effect a Taliban regime.
A democracy in any portion of Islam? Please point it out.
My example about the barbary pirates also applies to Hitler in the second world war. The British and French used appeasment and the rest of Europe followed until Poland and then the rest of the world suffered.
Europes military's traditionally used for aide in natural disasters? Oh then I suppose the Greek Empire, the Roman Empire, the Holy Roman Empire,then skip forward past the dark ages to the Spanish Empire, the British Empire, the French Empire, The German Empire, The Second German Empire, the Soviet Empire, France, Britian and others don't count. I don't think Napoleon's armies were helping hurricane victims.
As to the social welfare programs, why then is Europe going bankrupt and its economy dying out? It is spending to much its governments are too large and the people too dependent on them. That is why in many European countries both the economy is shrinking and the population is shrinking(Exception to Albania which is muslim its population is growing and Ireland in regards to the economy its population is shrinking).
The two party system is simply tradition and it may be time to be rid of it. I personally have nothing against having more then two parties I myself belong to neither of the major parties.
Turkish history, they went from being the Ottoman Empire to becoming Turkey. The liberal nobility of the Ottoman Empire founded Turkey. It became a republic which was subject to Shar'ia(which is in its nature anti-democratic or republic.) The first king of Turkey however moved against the shar'ia and made turkey more democratic however the growing block of voters are muslim fundementalists.
As to your claim of the US being a democracy, it isnt and it was never meant to be. It is a republic.
"It is a republic madam if you can keep it"-Benjamin Franklin
"I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands...."-The United States Pledge of Allegiance

wheelchairman
10-14-2005, 01:48 AM
Socio--Demographic. Have you never heard the term demographic it refers to population over a certain amount of territory. First his illegal immigrant programs. They have broken the law it is not that I am against immigration but them doing it illegal is invasion of our borders, they don't need to be encouraged to break the law the law needs to be enforced. He did not appoint all of the supreme court and there are several casses where after a president would appoint a justice a justice would reveal his true colors.Also the supreme court was not meant to be oligarchian in nature in the original constitution, we have Marbury v. Madison for that.
I know what a social demographic is. I don't know what a social demographic death is, and you haven't explained that either.

Illegal immigrants really aren't jumping the border for fun, you know. And if you have no problem with immigrants, why the hell do you care what method they choose to come here with?

The Supreme Court members are appointed by the President. I didn't say President Bush, just President.



To your questioning me about the knowledge of Shar'ia and Turkey. I have read a little thing called the Qu'ran which holds the Shar'ia in it, the Shar'ia is extremely sexist,and religiously discriminant. It forces peoples who do not belong to Islam to pay special taxes, it does not allow them to build churches, it does not allow them to worship publicly,hold office, ect. In its regards to women they cannot leave the home without a husband they cannot show their faces in effect a Taliban regime.
Yeah you see, I've read the Qu'ran too. And most of it is the same blood and hellfire of the Christian Old Testament.

But your knowledge of Turkey and Shari'a is still pitiful. Explain to me why Turkish girls don't wear the veil then, if Shari'a is an institution of Turkish law. I really can't believe you are this stupid. You don't seem to know the name Atatürk, and if you don't know that name, then you cannot speak of Turkey, ever. It's as simple as that, you're too ignorant.



A democracy in any portion of Islam? Please point it out.
Middle Eastern Democracy, let's see, what about Iran before the re-institution of the power of the Shah? oohh right, your government didn't like democracy at that time.


My example about the barbary pirates also applies to Hitler in the second world war. The British and French used appeasment and the rest of Europe followed until Poland and then the rest of the world suffered.
The example of Hitler is even worse. Seeing as Hussein was no Hitler. Hussein had neither the possibility nor the will to expand his borders, there is a huge difference.


Europes military's traditionally used for aide in natural disasters? Oh then I suppose the Greek Empire, the Roman Empire, the Holy Roman Empire,then skip forward past the dark ages to the Spanish Empire, the British Empire, the French Empire, The German Empire, The Second German Empire, the Soviet Empire, France, Britian and others don't count. I don't think Napoleon's armies were helping hurricane victims.
You do realize I was talking about since WW2 right? It'd be pointless to talk about Pre-World War 2 military actions, seeing as things have changed so much. And the only except would be France, which had a tendency to fight bloody colonial wars. (oh those pussies)



As to the social welfare programs, why then is Europe going bankrupt and its economy dying out? It is spending to much its governments are too large and the people too dependent on them. That is why in many European countries both the economy is shrinking and the population is shrinking(Exception to Albania which is muslim its population is growing and Ireland in regards to the economy its population is shrinking).
Europe isn't going bankrupt. Most nations have a low inflation and thriving economy. What are you talking about? It's the US that has a debt that is nearly physically impossible to pay off. And ALBANIA!? Are you serious? They went broke, due to PYRAMID SCHEMES.


The two party system is simply tradition and it may be time to be rid of it. I personally have nothing against having more then two parties I myself belong to neither of the major parties.
Most Americans don't belong to either of the two major parties. In fact, as you are probably aware of, if you ask most people they view it as voting for the lesser of two evils. That's not really too healthy for a democracy.



Turkish history, they went from being the Ottoman Empire to becoming Turkey. The liberal nobility of the Ottoman Empire founded Turkey. It became a republic which was subject to Shar'ia(which is in its nature anti-democratic or republic.) The first king of Turkey however moved against the shar'ia and made turkey more democratic however the growing block of voters are muslim fundementalists.
You really do know nothing of Turkey at all. You're embarrassing. Please stop. I'm sure you are very smart, but stick with what you know.



As to your claim of the US being a democracy, it isnt and it was never meant to be. It is a republic.
"It is a republic madam if you can keep it"-Benjamin Franklin
"I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands...."-The United States Pledge of Allegiance
Then going around creating democracies is completely unjustified on our parts. Especially since we are doing very bad jobs at it.

Why did you ignore the other parts of my reply?

punk_rocker
10-14-2005, 04:38 AM
if you think britains army is 5-10 years behind yours just take a look at what your soldiers are doing?? i mean we can shoot the enemy!! Americans can't seem to make that differance! and your saying we're behind. haha and also the british are far more experienced in fighting in these urban and guerilla warfare situations as they have been fighting in northen ireland for the past 30 years. and stop making it sound like america is this real nice thing that has saved the world. coz it aint!!!!!

killer_queen
10-14-2005, 07:09 AM
Turkey has been taking a western reform pattern since Ataturk. I think that was 1917 or 1914? My memory fails me.
1919. I can't believe you're that good.

wheelchairman
10-14-2005, 07:11 AM
1919. I can't believe you're that good.
Turkey interests me. I just haven't had a chance to really do some research on it.

saska de o...
10-14-2005, 07:31 AM
Turkey interests me. I just haven't had a chance to really do some research on it.
Turkey? mmmhm.....

Nikako22
10-14-2005, 07:49 AM
Yea Atturk was after WW1 because it was still the Ottoman Empire during the first world war. And if you noticed I said their losing their democratic edge.
European Military you said traditionally. Traditionally is all of Europes history and for the majority Europe has used its military for imperialism.
We're ahead of your militaries technologically hell all of Europe w/exception to Britian can't even fight w/American troops because their technology is lagging so badly, the 1st Gulf War proved that.
Albania was a reference to population. And Europes economies aren't thriving, numbers are low very very low, Germany is at a growth rate of 1.5% I think, France is lower then that, the low countries I'm not sure of but their population is small next to those two towering and dying giants of Europe. Russia is on its way to returning to a dictatorship, hell it really hasn't changed since it became a "democratic" nation.
Socio-Demographic death means that native born Europeans are dying out and so are your histories, cultures, ect. Your being replaced steadily by muslims. And your social welfare programs will collapse in about 50 yearsm, if America keeps goin at its steady pace we're looking at about 60 or 70 if China doesn't destroy us or Islam.
Iran did not have a democracy ever! They had a dictatorship which was against fundemental Islam. We supported the Shah's over them in their civil war.
As to the illegal immigrants, its the fact that they are breaking the law and once they get here they disregard the law that is my problem w/them.
(could you please put the other replies down. and lets cut these down so I can remember what we're arguing haha)

wheelchairman
10-14-2005, 11:16 AM
European Military you said traditionally. Traditionally is all of Europes history and for the majority Europe has used its military for imperialism.
We're ahead of your militaries technologically hell all of Europe w/exception to Britian can't even fight w/American troops because their technology is lagging so badly, the 1st Gulf War proved that.
We also use our military a lot less than the states. Furthermore a larger part of our budget goes to social welfare, instead of the military (over half the government budget in the States goes to the military.)


Albania was a reference to population. And Europes economies aren't thriving, numbers are low very very low, Germany is at a growth rate of 1.5% I think, France is lower then that, the low countries I'm not sure of but their population is small next to those two towering and dying giants of Europe. This would be the importance of immigration, wouldn't it? Although Germany has problems that are unlike those of any other nation. What with the attempt to integrate Eastern Germany back in and all. However most of the Scandinavians are very sturdy economically. Denmark produces oil, and Norway I think is one of the wealthiest per capita in the world.


Russia is on its way to returning to a dictatorship, hell it really hasn't changed since it became a "democratic" nation.
Yeah nothing really changed. People are poorer though, amazingly.


Socio-Demographic death means that native born Europeans are dying out and so are your histories, cultures, ect. Your being replaced steadily by muslims. And your social welfare programs will collapse in about 50 yearsm, if America keeps goin at its steady pace we're looking at about 60 or 70 if China doesn't destroy us or Islam.
Except that's a lie purported by right-wing extremists for the past 20 years. For the past 20 years they've been saying there will be a muslim majority in our nations, and they've been wrong so far. This isn't something we should fear if any nation did a proper economic integration of immigrants, we however, have not.


Iran did not have a democracy ever! They had a dictatorship which was against fundemental Islam. We supported the Shah's over them in their civil war.
Google the name Mossadegh. Seriously, this was just ignorant.



As to the illegal immigrants, its the fact that they are breaking the law and once they get here they disregard the law that is my problem w/them.
(could you please put the other replies down. and lets cut these down so I can remember what we're arguing haha)
I don't really mind them breaking the law. I would probably do the same in their situation. The law becomes really superficial when it's a matter of survival.

Italia311
10-14-2005, 11:39 AM
Europeans are dying out and so are your histories, cultures, ect

Thats SO not true. Assuming I dont move back to Italy, you don't think I'm going to let my kids know where their father is from? You don't think I'm going to raise my kids speaking Italian or the same traditions I was raised with. Like hell im not.

Nikako22
10-14-2005, 12:16 PM
Yes it is muslims are the only ones reproducing and they will erase your traditions that the way their religion is.

wheelchairman
10-14-2005, 12:38 PM
Yes it is muslims are the only ones reproducing and they will erase your traditions that the way their religion is.
That's a joke. That's like saying American culture is becoming mexican culture. It's a straw-man logical fallacy unfounded in logic designed to scare people.

Jesus
10-14-2005, 02:56 PM
Yup muslim culture is taking over here in Belgium, I'm eating way more döner kebab than like 10 years ago. Which means, I'm eating less typical Belgian things like hamburgers and pizza.

punk_rocker
10-15-2005, 04:03 AM
like every superpower america will fall. its fact. you had the british empire, the USSR, the roman empire, the ancient greeks , the ancient egyptians and the old arabic super powers of the middle ages.they were all destroyed and or dived into seperate contries, the same fate shall fall to america. when i cant tell you but tit will and the next nation to "rule" the world will most probably be china.(not muslims)

cybermears
10-18-2005, 01:52 PM
Why the fuck do people from every country come here if all you people from other countries hate us so much? No one move to other countries. No one's gonna feel sorry for you just becasue you live in a shit hole. You can just move if you're jealous of Americans.

i like most americans there relie frendly but bush is a total retard how the fuck did he win da vote da 2cd time thts wt i wanna kno

That_Guy91
10-18-2005, 02:16 PM
like every superpower america will fall. its fact. you had the british empire, the USSR, the roman empire, the ancient greeks , the ancient egyptians and the old arabic super powers of the middle ages.they were all destroyed and or dived into seperate contries, the same fate shall fall to america. when i cant tell you but tit will and the next nation to "rule" the world will most probably be china.(not muslims)
of course america will fall, but it wont be for a long, long time. and i seriously doubt china will rule the world. they've got their own problems with overpopulation right now.

smallgrin22
10-19-2005, 03:05 PM
second that... so many of our jobs are going overseas... if we don't shape up, our kids' kids' future won't look as bright (if it even is bright) as ours...

TheUnholyNightbringer
10-20-2005, 10:17 AM
second that... so many of our jobs are going overseas... if we don't shape up, our kids' kids' future won't look as bright (if it even is bright) as ours...

Sure they will. Just ship off the kids with the factories.