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blackballs
07-30-2005, 01:14 PM
What is your opinion on the "hot coffee" mod in Grand Theft Auto San Andreas, that lets you engage in sex "mini game"? Even though the mini-game can only be accessed on the Xbox and PS2 version using a cheating device (gameshark, etc.), or the PC version by downloading a mod, stores such as Gamestop and Wal-Mart are pulling the game off store shelves until a edited version of the game appears this fall, but some retailers have "re-marked" the packaging of the game to an "Adults Only" (18+ Rating). Do you think that it was nessecary to do that, even though the mini-game was hidden in the code on the disc, it should have never been able to be accessed with modification. I'm going to leave you to tell your point of view on the subject without setting a bias on the subject from the start, so what do you think?

wheelchairman
07-30-2005, 01:17 PM
Moderators should just generally delete all threads started by noobs that say "I don't care if this thread has already been done" and can't paragraph.

blackballs
07-30-2005, 01:19 PM
Thanks for you input, but do you have an opinion?

Turbonegro
07-30-2005, 01:35 PM
It's really a bad move on the store's part, that game is such a good seller. And Rockstar shouldn't have to change the game to take something out that is illegal to access anyhow.

0r4ng3
07-30-2005, 01:44 PM
The only people who seem to have a problem are the politicians (but you had to expect that), and parents who bought this game for their 10-year-old. A game can have any amount of violence and bad language, but the smallest bit of sex/nudity, and it's innapropriate.

I'm pretty sure I'm saying what's been said many times, but I needed to rant.

0r4ng3
07-30-2005, 02:29 PM
This thread has been done to death. If I had kids, I personally wouldn't care by the time my kid turned 11. We all watched porn at sometime looooooong before 11 anyway (anybody remember scrambled porn?)
Not really, but when I was 10, this one kid brought a porno mag to school. Back then, I just thought the pictures were strange.

0r4ng3
07-30-2005, 02:39 PM
You serious? I used to watch HBO for hours when I was like, 4, and sit through boring romantic comedys just to see the one scene with boobs.
I didn't have HBO when I was 4.

Noodles II
08-04-2005, 10:16 PM
I'm 11 and my dad got me GTA, And i might of "accidently" looked at some porn. (BTW, I had HBO and The Offspring when i was 4. Gee, im spoiled.

SicN Twisted
08-05-2005, 06:48 AM
Noodles II, if you weren't eleven, I'd yell at you for being such a fucking moron.

I tihnk the real issue with San Andreas is not what stores do with the games, it's that the porn shouldn't have been illegal in the first place. The entire game is about a gangbangin thug who pulls people out of cars, steals them, mows down and shoots pedestrians, and systematically murders cops and anyone else who happens to get in his way. The game is so fucking violent but it's perfectly legal, but the porn causes such a ruckus? This country needs to stop legislating taste and censoring shit, it's fucking pathetic. If someone doesn't wanna simulate a sex scene in a videogame (because sex is sooo unnatural and sinful, how dare anyone portray it!), or even gratuitous violence, then DON'T BUY THE FUCKING GAME!

God dammit, let's stop sheltering our fucking kids and let them have their fun. Am I the only one who thinks there's absolutely nothing wrong with sex in a videogame? Let alone the movies? Or porn magazines? Or... oh my god... REAL LIFE?

leo3375
08-05-2005, 07:19 AM
The other factor to take into account is that AO-rated games do not sell. Most major retailers won't carry them and, like NC-17 movies, the general public avoids them like the plague.

I think it's time for parents to finally take a long, hard look at exactly what games their kids are playing. They need to educate themselves on the current trends in media, games, toys, etc. and find out what the kids want, and decide if it would be appropriate.

Another idea I heard floating around: a disclaimer on video games cautioning that online mods can change a game's rating. That is, a third-party mod for "The Sims" could turn the T-rated game into an M-rated one.

SicN Twisted
08-05-2005, 07:30 AM
I'm looking at the bigger picture. You seem smart, so try and get down on my vibe. How is it in any way unhealthy or damaging for young teen to see a sex scene in a videogame? The only reason it's a problem is because there's a taboo on sex that just shouldn't exist. Sex is a natural human interaction that people have been doing - for pleasure as well as reproduction - for as long as we've been around. I guess it would be inappropriate for a REALLY young kid, but kids that young wouldn't be able to get that far in the game - fuck, the first few missions are hard. If you can even get past the first city to the part of the game where the Hot Coffee thing is available, then you're obviously mature enough to see the sex scene - only if the violence and gore didn't scar you for life and cause you to shoot up your school, of course.

Noodles II
08-05-2005, 10:59 AM
You can get Detetion for even talking about that game. (If its within an ear shot of teachers, if the students tell, nothng happings)

Conspiracy of One
08-05-2005, 10:59 AM
You can get Detetion for even talking about that game. (If its within an ear shot of teachers, if the students tell, nothng happings)

wtf is up with that? that som bullshit right there.

Noodles II
08-05-2005, 11:01 AM
wtf is up with that? that som bullshit right there.

i know, thats why im hoping some of the hackers in our school hack the computers to where it shows the sex scene

Conspiracy of One
08-05-2005, 11:02 AM
i know, thats why im hoping some of the hackers in our school hack the computers to where it shows the sex scene

12 year old hackers???

Noodles II
08-05-2005, 11:04 AM
12 year old hackers???

8th Graders, not 12 year olds.

Conspiracy of One
08-05-2005, 11:07 AM
8th Graders, not 12 year olds.

Ah yes i see.........more about my age kids

Noodles II
08-05-2005, 11:09 AM
Ah yes i see.........more about my age kids

Yeah, but i dont think somones got the computers though :(

SicN Twisted
08-05-2005, 02:08 PM
Get outta this topic you young kids.

Jesus
08-05-2005, 02:37 PM
If a kid can download a mod , install it etc there is not only a huge chance he's able to download porn, but he probably does it and likes it.

noodlesfan
08-06-2005, 04:41 PM
deleted because i was high when i typed it

SicN Twisted
08-07-2005, 12:51 AM
noodsfan, there is no constitutio or individual rights in school. You're a minor in an institution, you have no rights under it's walls. You're wrong that he could stand up for himself, because school officials can do whatever they want.

MichealCorleone
08-07-2005, 04:01 AM
noodsfan, there is no constitutio or individual rights in school. You're a minor in an institution, you have no rights under it's walls. You're wrong that he could stand up for himself, because school officials can do whatever they want.

*constitution, its

noodlesfan
08-07-2005, 04:39 AM
noodsfan, there is no constitutio or individual rights in school. You're a minor in an institution, you have no rights under it's walls. You're wrong that he could stand up for himself, because school officials can do whatever they want.
the teachers dont say that here, because when the principal said the constitution doesnt count in school and that it's run like a dictatorship, i punched her in the head and said "i've overthrown you", because school is a waste of time when youve seen my grades(the teachers oppinion on attitude and effort counts towards the overall letter grade, so im failing)

Vera
08-07-2005, 05:58 AM
I find it fucking hilarious and not least of all because of this:

http://www.little-gamers.com/index.php?comicID=1155

platinumpt
08-07-2005, 02:26 PM
I wasn't expecting to find a topic like this here, cool! I tried to discuss this before in another thread but none replied... well actually in my country the game was already labeled +18 since it came out. And now it's the same, and noone here cares about any sex scenes I think... and man, that scenes are so ridiculous, I kinda laughed my ass off when I saw them... you know, the whole mini game thing, change views, change position, the dialogue, it was hilarious! I think the game itself is much more violent than just a few sex scenes with a few girls...

But the censorship level in the US sounds kinda strange ya know... they have no problem in showing violent images of war and stuff... but then Janet Jackson shows half a boob and everybody starts yelling. And now we have a few ridiculous sex scenes in a super violent videogame (in which you kill cops, innocent pedestrians and such, like Sicntwisted said), and the censorship strikes again. But only because of sex mini games with characters which aren't even real. This is all ridiculous, I think I'll never understand that. My country is shit, but at least there's no censorship of that kind.

Conspiracy of One
08-07-2005, 02:30 PM
http://smashitup.forumup.com/viewtopic.php?t=36&mforum=smashitup&sid=f11e0c9370284e277dee433b04f0a5f5

go there! Have fun :D

Apathy
08-07-2005, 10:49 PM
You serious? I used to watch HBO for hours when I was like, 4, and sit through boring romantic comedys just to see the one scene with boobs.


Four? Holy shit... for me it was like 10.

sKratch
08-07-2005, 11:21 PM
yeah, noodles II if i were you(i know youre young so mabye you shoud print this out), but tell them:

If no one is talking about copying or re-inacting a scene from the game, or using any kind of inappropriate language, telling students they cant discuss it in an orderly fashion, in between each class is a violation of individual rights.

bring that to school and i garentee the teachers wont pull this kind of shit(look what i just exposed our youth too!!!(sarcasticaly) on you again. :D :D and if they do, just say "isnt this a violation of the US constitution? and arent the people who arent constitutional most likely to be rennegades or terrorists?" my teachers have never said another word to me about anything like that. :cool: so glad to help :D
As has been said, minors do not experience the full protection of the Constitution. I'm not too clear on what the shortcomings are, but I know schools can pull off a lot of bs because of it.

notoriousdoc
08-08-2005, 03:28 AM
The main fact is: there's too many other-worldly christians in America whining about anything even slightly "immoral". The main reason is that they've lost their power, AND THEY WILL GRAB ONTO ANY TYPE OF POWER LEFT.

Rivix
08-11-2005, 10:46 PM
I have a great feelings that if Rockstar told ESRB about the sex game before it was released they might have snuck by the AO rating they have now. Though, in reality, it did nothing but boost the Rockstar fame. Everyone knows about hot coffee now. Everyone knows about GTA series since GTA III (Which is a shame, I loved GTA 1). It's hurting sales but they already have the money to take the small beating until christmas where they will have a new "Non Hot Coffee" segment.

I'm glad US is starting to cencor games now. I found it rediculous that "fuck" was used so much in the game. I don't mind adult langauge at all, but I can only take so much ya know? It wasnt right for the game to be banned because of it, though, they do kinda deserve it for having the entire GTA series slip by on the M rating.

So in otherwords: Fucked up? Yeah, Deserving? Yeah, Should have been rated AO for the violence though, not the sex.

sKratch
08-11-2005, 11:53 PM
Location: Virigina
More like Vagina.

MichealCorleone
08-13-2005, 09:22 AM
Location : Virigina

* vagina 10 characters

sKratch
08-13-2005, 09:24 AM
Hahahaha oh man. I'm usually not too big of a fan of all the gratuitous corrections, but that was golden.

Rivix
08-14-2005, 08:10 PM
What the fuck are you talking about..... *changes location....*

Noodles II
08-14-2005, 11:03 PM
hey im in this thread!