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theheadbanginggrandma
10-22-2004, 02:08 AM
isnt there anybody else here that loves bush?!?whats with all the haters in the house?i loves bush!look at all the good things that bush has done for us!!
i say stop the hating!!

ihatechrissneed
10-22-2004, 02:19 AM
Yes he's such a good person with this record :rolleyes:
Successfully allowed the catastrophe of 9/11

Successfully finished "My Pet Goat" while the 9/11 catastrophe was occurring

Successfully allowed Afghanistan to slide towards catastrophe as the Taliban and al-Qaida continue to regain their influence

Successfully turned Iraq into the catastrophe of 1980s Lebanon and 1960s and 70s Vietnam

Successfully pushed over 1,000 American families into emotional catastrophe as a result of the war of choice in Iraq


go here to see the bush - hitler ads http://www.thememoryhole.org/pol/bush-hitler-ads.htm :p

Master of Puppets
10-22-2004, 02:47 AM
headbanginggrandma: i also like Bush

ihatechrissneed: i know hes made some mistakes, EVERY president does but comparing him to Hitler is ridiculous, even my very liberal friends hate that

Heat
10-22-2004, 05:30 AM
bush sucks, i have the same opinion like ihatechrissneed

Nina
10-22-2004, 05:47 AM
...this topic is not real, right?
O_O

samr
10-22-2004, 05:55 AM
I doubt bush killed thousands of Jews because he wanted too.

you = fail

Vera
10-22-2004, 06:11 AM
The ignorance kills, it kills.

The Hitler-comparison was about Bush taking his focus off things that were bad in his own country and focusing on all the projects outside the US, the wars and such. Hitler did a similar thing when things started to go shit in his country.

samr
10-22-2004, 06:19 AM
And how many other leaders of other countries have focused on affairs outside their country? we don't know. Hitler is remembered for killing innocent people, for his own reason. They are only comparing Bush to hitler because hitler was "evil".

YODAvid
10-22-2004, 08:53 AM
Hey y'all, hows it going. Comparing Bush to Hitler IS supid. See, i am drom germany spending one schoolyear in Texas, and believe me, I know enough about the holocaust and stuff. I have no opinion about Bush or Kerry. I am back in germany in 2005 and jsut do'nt give a shit!

Take care now,
Bye Bye then,
aaaaaalllrighty, then

Vera
10-22-2004, 09:05 AM
Argh, you guys.

The Hitler comparison was made in context of the whole "focusing on foreign politics when inner politics should be dealt with". The person who made the comparison later apologised for his rash comparison and said that in no way does he seriously believe Bush will kill millions like Hitler did.

Sure, the whole comparison got a lot of media attention and I'm sure this is why the person (can't remember who, some European politician, perhaps Italian?) made the comparison and used Hitler instead of some less well-known politician who had done the same thing.

The thing got attention - so Bush's politics were talked about more actively. The person basically got what they wanted - discussion about what Bush was doing.

It wasn't about "Bush being Hitler-evil omg". But that's how people saw it, which was exactly how it was supposed to be seen (at first). It was a very provocative statement. Therefore it caused a lot of discussion.

Discussion = good. Except on this p.o.s. board.

wheelchairman
10-22-2004, 09:59 AM
The Bush comparison to Hitler is one I like. For there are several similarities, that Conservatives just try and get people to ignore without ever facing up to them.

Punks supporting Bush is disgusting. Aren't we supposed to be the disenfranchised youth struggling against an oppressive system?

Although it shouldn't surprise me that you are all middle class Californian kids or something.

So, what good has Bush done for America? This I would like to hear.

VLFLQ
10-22-2004, 10:31 AM
I doubt bush killed thousands of Jews because he wanted too.

you = fail

no...instead of jews he killed arabs..........

you guys live in the US......where 50% are against bush and 50% are with bush........in the other countrys it's WAY different.......i think there only in israel where the population support bush

Dirty Sanchez
10-22-2004, 11:15 AM
isnt there anybody else here that loves bush?!?whats with all the haters in the house?i loves bush!!!

No dude, shaved is better.

Betty
10-22-2004, 11:53 AM
Question: Do you guys believe that terrorism is a serious threat? Or no?

wheelchairman
10-22-2004, 11:54 AM
Personally I don't. I think it's been hyped up to an extreme.

Anyone who knows anything about Al-Qaida knows that it is more of a very loosely connected organization. They don't have the ability to be planning attacks constantly.

However terrorism is obviously a problem in places like Israel. Let's face it, personal terrorism that the Palestinians are using will never liberate them. No matter how much one supports the Palestinians, they are using a poor strategy.

Dirty Sanchez
10-22-2004, 02:49 PM
I'm not too concerned about it. In the past 4 years terrorists have killed about 3000 americans. In that same time period, about 250,000 americans have been killed by OTHER AMERICANS. I am much more concerned about being stabbed or shot by someone downtown than I am about some terrorist flying a plane into my house. I agree with WCM, the right wing nut jobs are just hyping it up to scare people into voting for them.

Dexter_italy
10-22-2004, 04:53 PM
Fuck Bush and all the fucking americans who support him, his an asshole who's doing an usless war for money! When will those fucking americans understand that they're not the most important people in the world?? they're like anyone else.
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SicN Twisted
10-22-2004, 04:55 PM
The Hitler comparrison thing is political imagery. Bush has taken alot of actions to impinge on civil liberties, so he's being compared to the most famous person associated with that.

Vera, I don't know quite where the concentrate on foreign policy to take focus off domestic problems thing is comming from. Nazi Germany had the second highest standard of living in Europe, second only to Switzerland. There really weren't any domestic problems.

Vera
10-22-2004, 04:58 PM
Well, it's not my quote so I'm not 100% certain on the story behind it, to be honest.

And how bored are you to be posting here?

SicN Twisted
10-22-2004, 04:59 PM
Terrorism is a very serious threat. Not to me, living in the United States - even though I live in New York. Americans are very unlikely to be killed in terrorist attacks. Terrorism works both ways. When the American "smart bombs" destroy Iraqi villages, the civilians are victims of terrorism. When the Israeli Army engaged in ulilateral withdrawl and reposseses Palestinian farms, it's terrorism. Look at the official definition.

I'm more concerned that I'm living in a country governed by terrorists that I am that they'll attack me.

SicN Twisted
10-22-2004, 05:01 PM
It's between this and the lifetime movie...

Vera
10-22-2004, 05:03 PM
Right. So. Taken any interesting drugs lately?

SicN Twisted
10-22-2004, 05:06 PM
Augmentin for my ear infection. Aleve for my headache. Marijuana for my stress...

You?

Vera
10-22-2004, 05:39 PM
Porn works for everything.

Betty
10-22-2004, 07:41 PM
About the terrorism thing...

I'm obviously not too concerned about my safety... since I live in the comfort of Canada where we harbour the terrorists before they go to the US...

But still, it seems easy to say "Meh, it's not very likely that I'll get attacked so I'm not too concerned".

A LOT of people died on 911 and if you were involved, you wouldn't just shrug it off. It was devastating. It's a big deal. You can't just LET something like that happen and not do anything about it.

VLFLQ
10-22-2004, 09:11 PM
About the terrorism thing...

I'm obviously not too concerned about my safety... since I live in the comfort of Canada where we harbour the terrorists before they go to the US...

But still, it seems easy to say "Meh, it's not very likely that I'll get attacked so I'm not too concerned".

A LOT of people died on 911 and if you were involved, you wouldn't just shrug it off. It was devastating. It's a big deal. You can't just LET something like that happen and not do anything about it.

oh yeah we must do something.......3000 white collar have been killed 3 years ago so we must kill millions of arabs.........and what did you do when de cambodian governement leaded by pol pot savagely killed over 10 000 000 cambodian..........3000 american die and it's a fucking world wide disaster but then somewhere else on the planet 3 millions childrens dies from starvation every hours and I don't see no one making memorial days for them or any political leader deploring the event

sorry for being so sarcastic

and about that thing of being in your confort of CANADA......................hahahahahahahahahaha.. ...............

sorry again

wheelchairman
10-23-2004, 03:29 AM
VLFQ- It's not the job of the American government to worry about Cambodians. It's the job of the American government to at least appear that they are concerned with the American people.

Betty- You are now going off in a different direction than you had started with your debate. No one had said that we should do nothing. We just said that we didn't think terrorism, as a concept and action, in general, was/wasn't a threat to us. Anyways I would say that we have taken the absolute worse choices to end terrorism.

Dexter_Italy- Don't be a jackass. Anti-Americanism is the plague of the stupid. The majority of the American people were against Bush in first place. The ones who support Bush are the ones who really don't know any better, and it's a pity that no one has tried educating them. Well I believe the RCP-USA has, but they are a little extreme in just about every way.

SicN Twisted
10-23-2004, 05:07 AM
Anyone with a concience will understand the savarity of 911. Still, people need to understand that their own government has a record of far worse atrocities, and has no right be labelling any Muslim groups as part of the "axis of evil."

VLFLQ
10-23-2004, 10:38 AM
VLFQ- It's not the job of the American government to worry about Cambodians. It's the job of the American government to at least appear that they are concerned with the American people.

i not talking about the american governement right now....i'm saying that there somethings that happens around the world that is way worst and no one is saying anything about it (and by no one i mean the global population)

BobdaAlkoholic
10-23-2004, 12:14 PM
When September 11th happened teh death toll was said to be nearly 50,000 it dropped to about a few thousand about now including fire fighters and police men and rescue workers and construction workers. And by the time the Iraq war is finished we'll have more soldiers dead than 9/11 victims I saw bring teh soldiers back.

Betty
10-23-2004, 12:56 PM
"3000 american die and it's a fucking world wide disaster but then somewhere else on the planet 3 millions childrens dies from starvation every hours and I don't see no one making memorial days for them or any political leader deploring the event"

Sure it might seem like somewhat of a double standard, but there is quite a huge difference. In one case it is MURDER. The other, although tragic, is an entirely different situation and only so much can be done at once. How do you think it should be treated differently?

"Betty- You are now going off in a different direction than you had started with your debate. No one had said that we should do nothing. We just said that we didn't think terrorism, as a concept and action, in general, was/wasn't a threat to us. Anyways I would say that we have taken the absolute worse choices to end terrorism."

It just seems like a lot of people think the war is a huge mistake, but then discount the threat of terrorism, just because they don't feel personally threatened. I guess if another REALISTIC alternative was offered, that would be better than just saying "the war is bad, who cares about 911". Also, I agree that the war didn't go smoothly at all but I wonder whether people think it's worth it that Iraq is now on its way to being a democratic country, or whether they would prefer it be like it was before?

VLFLQ
10-23-2004, 09:01 PM
When September 11th happened teh death toll was said to be nearly 50,000 it dropped to about a few thousand about now including fire fighters and police men and rescue workers and construction workers. And by the time the Iraq war is finished we'll have more soldiers dead than 9/11 victims I saw bring teh soldiers back.


+1 that's all i have to say..........

wheelchairman
10-24-2004, 03:26 AM
"Betty- You are now going off in a different direction than you had started with your debate. No one had said that we should do nothing. We just said that we didn't think terrorism, as a concept and action, in general, was/wasn't a threat to us. Anyways I would say that we have taken the absolute worse choices to end terrorism."

It just seems like a lot of people think the war is a huge mistake, but then discount the threat of terrorism, just because they don't feel personally threatened. I guess if another REALISTIC alternative was offered, that would be better than just saying "the war is bad, who cares about 911". Also, I agree that the war didn't go smoothly at all but I wonder whether people think it's worth it that Iraq is now on its way to being a democratic country, or whether they would prefer it be like it was before?

There is no democracy in Iraq. And there likely won't be. The Iraq war was a mistake and we've made things worse. I would prefer Saddam over what they have now. And I believe something like 55% of Iraqis do to. And Iraq certainly won't become a democracy due to the occupation. I would be surprised if Iraq can become a democracy despite the occupation.

Vera
10-24-2004, 06:13 AM
Well, democracy doesn't happen in a blink of an eye, it takes time. Decades. So I don't think it's possible to say whether Iraq will become a democracy right now. Only time will tell whether the Iraq and Afganistan wars were truly big mistakes.

Though I do think the Iraq war was a mistake in its rashness, the whole business with the UN and the fact that more soldiers have died there afterwards than during. Oh yeah, and let's not forget the weapons of mass destruction that were not found.

Or, you know, just didn't exist.

SicN Twisted
10-24-2004, 12:38 PM
Saddam Hussein's government was closer to a democracy then what it looks like Iraq has in store. He was a tyrant, but at least he had mass support by a huge chunk of the Iraqi people. What Iraq has now is a foreign military occupation which it supposedly going on "indefinately." So far, Iraqi's aren't any better off.

YODAvid
10-24-2004, 12:50 PM
Fuck Bush and all the fucking americans who support him, his an asshole who's doing an usless war for money! When will those fucking americans understand that they're not the most important people in the world?? they're like anyone else.


Fuck YOU! You can hate Bush, but why would u say fuck You to all the americans that hate Bush??? I am german, u are italian, before I got here I thought the politics here are jsut about the war in Iraq, because you just hear about that in Europe. But did u know, that there is different topics Bush and Kerry are talking to each other about? NO! U think all americans that support Bush want war and nothing else. But its their freakin opinion! Maybe they just do not like Kerry's politics??? And Kerry did not vote aginst the war, he first voted for it, then refused to send the supllies for the G.I.s to Iraq.

So screw you, you not-knowing, stupid semipunk


Take care now,
bye bye then,

aaaaaalllrighty, then

wheelchairman
10-24-2004, 01:02 PM
Saddam Hussein's government was closer to a democracy then what it looks like Iraq has in store. He was a tyrant, but at least he had mass support by a huge chunk of the Iraqi people. What Iraq has now is a foreign military occupation which it supposedly going on "indefinately." So far, Iraqi's aren't any better off.
I would say Ba'athism is much better than the implementing of Shari'a law. That is happening in several places in Iraq right now. Not to mention inside parts of Baghdad itself.

Although that's not to say Saddam was a ba'athist, although Allawi was a ba'athist hardliner. Either way the current situation is only worse than the pre-war one.

SicN Twisted
10-24-2004, 03:11 PM
Saddam certainly was a ba'athist, although he catered to Islam in general much more then previous ba'athists.

I still find it rediculous that in an apparent war against Muslim fundementalism, we decide to take out the only secular state in the middle east.

killboybowerhead
10-24-2004, 03:20 PM
if all you bush haters think it is wrong to help the iraqi people and all the other poor people around there you are pretty retarded. I lived in Egypt and Isreal everyone suffers around that area because of Saddam. You can say what you want but if we had Gore there would have been atleast one more 911. But for sure you all have to realize how big of a cock breath kerry is i dont like bush sometimes either but that douche is a complete num nuts

wheelchairman
10-24-2004, 03:33 PM
Is it alright to help people who don't want it?

The Iraqi resistance is not small. Nor is it just a group of Saddam loyalists. There are muslims, communists, patriots and average people in the resistance.

America has done a botched job. Iraq is worse now for the average Iraqi than it was under Saddam.

If you believe that democracy can be forced at gun-point then there is quite a lot of naivete you would believe isn't there?

I wonder if the Iraqi elections will be about as democratic as the Afghan ones...

ACAB
10-24-2004, 04:10 PM
if all you bush haters think it is wrong to help the iraqi people and all the other poor people around there you are pretty retarded. I lived in Egypt and Isreal everyone suffers around that area because of Saddam. You can say what you want but if we had Gore there would have been atleast one more 911. But for sure you all have to realize how big of a cock breath kerry is i dont like bush sometimes either but that douche is a complete num nuts


alright,theres surely nothing wrong that people have got rid of Saddam!!..but i just wonder...isn't it quite strange how U.S never cared about iraqi people as passionately as all sudden they do now? All support they've given in past,has been money for guns or either training to kill and got their own benefits behind it...and now all sudden Bush and rest of the americans DO care and wanted to give iraqis liberation? is it just me who finds it somehow strange? :confused: would Bush have started to care even he wasn't pushed into the situation by what happened 9/11? for some reason,i doubt that..maybe it's just me

SuperKnux
10-24-2004, 04:52 PM
:mad: I LOVE BUSH!! ...UNWILLINGLY!!

NoHopeNoFuture
10-24-2004, 06:54 PM
MAn bush sucks the only reson those people support him is cause they are upper class people who want the tax breaks. and the war in iraq is a mistake we all know hes just there for the oil because why would he guard the oil and not the ammo dumps.so that the iraqi people can get and use it against them? i think thats a bit fishy.

Obie2trice
10-25-2004, 03:23 AM
fuck bush, if I lived in the US I would have voted for Kerry. Bush aint gonna win,

Heat
10-25-2004, 05:44 AM
yeah... bush is an idiot... i really hope that kerry will win

Vera
10-25-2004, 06:31 AM
Saddam Hussein's government was closer to a democracy then what it looks like Iraq has in store.
Optimist, are we?

It's not going to be easy in Iraq's case, but achieving democracy IS possible, even for them.

dirty_magic
10-26-2004, 12:39 PM
once bush learns some english, learns how to govern a country properly, takes his head frm out of his arse and is voted out of office i might start taking him seriously ..... actually i dont think i ever will after his abismal performance at trying to "rid the world of terrorism", in otherwords trying to drag other countries into it! vote bush out of office cos hes an arogant c**t

SicN Twisted
10-26-2004, 12:41 PM
Bullshit democracy is possible. As of now, our plan for Iraq is indefinite military occupation. If there's gonna be democracy, I wanna know when.

Also, how can their be democracy if people aren't allowed to vote for the majority favored party?

Vera
10-26-2004, 12:59 PM
I'm just saying, you can't expect democracy to happen RIGHT HERE, RIGHT NOW. That's why you can't dismiss the idea of it happening in the future.

SicN Twisted
10-26-2004, 02:24 PM
There will probably be democracy eons in the future, but we could work for it now. Currently what we're doing is preventing democracy, not assisting it.

sKratch
10-27-2004, 04:34 PM
Fuck YOU! You can hate Bush, but why would u say fuck You to all the americans that hate Bush??? I am german, u are italian, before I got here I thought the politics here are jsut about the war in Iraq, because you just hear about that in Europe. But did u know, that there is different topics Bush and Kerry are talking to each other about? NO! U think all americans that support Bush want war and nothing else. But its their freakin opinion! Maybe they just do not like Kerry's politics??? And Kerry did not vote aginst the war, he first voted for it, then refused to send the supllies for the G.I.s to Iraq.

So screw you, you not-knowing, stupid semipunk


Take care now,
bye bye then,

aaaaaalllrighty, then
Get your facts straight buddy. Kerry voted against an omnibus bill that included many things, one of which was a question of funding. Almost every legislation put forth is rejected by certain senators for various problems with wording, or disagreements with parts of the bill. Saying he voted against funding the troops is grossly misleading.

SicN Twisted
10-27-2004, 05:03 PM
If he did vote against funding the troops. I'd be a bit more supportive of him.

GunForHire
10-27-2004, 06:41 PM
I can't believe there's still anyone left supporting Bush. Someone please tell me all the good things he's done for the world, in a list if possible. How about:

- Rejecting the Kyoto treaty
- Fighting a war for his oil tycoon buddies
- Getting both the US and other countries into a war which has bred more terrorists than killied/arrested, all for non-existent WMDs
- Supplied terrorists with nuclear materials that could be used in the creation of a dirty bomb thanks to his incompetence of not having nuclear power stations in Iraq guarded
- Ruined political relationships with a number of countries (eg, France)
- Weakened the UN through ignoring it's stance on the Iraq war.

Rabbit209
10-27-2004, 06:48 PM
Why does everyone think bush went to war for oil? he didnt, why would he? has anyone here actually seen ferenhiet 9/11? in it it states that he is good friends with the saudi oil people. and so why would he go to war with his chums? its stupid. and another thing is, hes out there trying to get rid of terrisot, an impossible tasks some think, but who knows, no other president has tryed it? The thing with bush is that i think he cares more about the world in whole then just America, America, America. which probaly pisses alot of Americans off.

Cow
10-27-2004, 06:51 PM
i dont care about bush or karry im going to run for prezident lol :p :D :)

Funky-Munky
10-27-2004, 10:25 PM
My pet goat is probly the best book ever....

wheelchairman
10-27-2004, 10:26 PM
Why does everyone think bush went to war for oil? he didnt, why would he? has anyone here actually seen ferenhiet 9/11? in it it states that he is good friends with the saudi oil people. and so why would he go to war with his chums? its stupid. and another thing is, hes out there trying to get rid of terrisot, an impossible tasks some think, but who knows, no other president has tryed it? The thing with bush is that i think he cares more about the world in whole then just America, America, America. which probaly pisses alot of Americans off.

If he's trying to get rid of terrorists, why'd he invade Iraq, the only secular state in the middle East?

Ba'athism has a historical tendency to be opposed to Islam used in political means.

Why didn't he invade the Sauds then? Surely Wahhabism has created terrorists?

If we didn't invade for oil, then what is Halliburton doing there? Of course we invaded for other reasons as well, but oil was probably a part of that.

Funky-Munky
10-27-2004, 10:33 PM
Bush is going down this year. YAY! :)

selfrighteoussuicide
10-28-2004, 02:12 AM
bush looks stupid :)

Dexter_italy
10-28-2004, 03:18 AM
Dexter_Italy- Don't be a jackass. Anti-Americanism is the plague of the stupid. The majority of the American people were against Bush in first place. The ones who support Bush are the ones who really don't know any better, and it's a pity that no one has tried educating them. Well I believe the RCP-USA has, but they are a little extreme in just about every way.[/QUOTE]

I'm not anti-american, I'm anti-idiots, against people who can't see what's happening, against fighting the violence with the violence! For bush the 9\11 has been just an excuse to invade iraq, he was just waiting for that! And I know that i'n america there's less information than other countries, it's unbelieveble that in a place like america there is a disinformation so big
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dirty_magic
10-28-2004, 03:20 AM
he invaded iraq on grounds that they had weapons of mass destruction, now i wonder where they are now?! maybe they didnt exsist and bush got it wrong! its time for change, its been time for change since he was voted in nearly 4years ago. hes a cunt

wheelchairman
10-28-2004, 06:02 AM
I'm not anti-american, I'm anti-idiots, against people who can't see what's happening, against fighting the violence with the violence! For bush the 9\11 has been just an excuse to invade iraq, he was just waiting for that! And I know that i'n america there's less information than other countries, it's unbelieveble that in a place like america there is a disinformation so big

So you hate people for living in a country that doesn't provide them with correct information?

I'm anti-idiot too, and I'm anti-you.

Dexter_italy
10-29-2004, 06:29 AM
So you hate people for living in a country that doesn't provide them with correct information?

I'm anti-idiot too, and I'm anti-you.

I'm didn't isult you so shut the fuck up please you are noone to tell me idiot. So should I say "oh poor guy he throws bombs against innocent people because his state didn't told him that he was innocent??" You didn't understand me, I don't hate americans, I hate people who still believe that the war was right and can't see the destruction that bush is doing, and if someone wants informations there are many ways to find it, not only FOX NEWS.
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wheelchairman
10-29-2004, 07:36 AM
Really please tell me how a poor man in America will be able to get non-mainstream sources of news? Unless the RCP-USA (who are a group of nutcases anyways) is doing their propaganda there, then he has no possibility of really getting information. At least in anyway that will help see through the BS.

You have to understand, the American working class lives in far worse conditions than that of the Italian working class.

Dexter_italy
10-29-2004, 12:25 PM
Really please tell me how a poor man in America will be able to get non-mainstream sources of news? Unless the RCP-USA (who are a group of nutcases anyways) is doing their propaganda there, then he has no possibility of really getting information. At least in anyway that will help see through the BS.

You have to understand, the American working class lives in far worse conditions than that of the Italian working class.

I don't really know how's the american working class... but be sure that in here the situation is not well anyway. But a person who has access to information and opens a thread I LOVE BUSH really gets me disappointed. Americans are (in general) too proud of themselves. I understand what you mean but I don't change my mind
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Funky-Munky
10-29-2004, 12:30 PM
I HATE BUSH! hes goin down!

wheelchairman
10-29-2004, 02:08 PM
Americans are (in general) too proud of themselves. I understand what you mean but I don't change my mind

Typicval anti-American elitism you find here. Your views are backed up just by the media, and the media alone. You do realize that the majority of Americans are against Bush? The majority of Americans *were* against Bush. Besides Bush supporters are no different than Berlusconi supporters, both are despicable.

TRUSTpunk
10-30-2004, 12:22 AM
Confidential Material

Not Ozymandias
10-30-2004, 12:35 AM
Well, for starters I'm going to vote his monkey-ass out of office on Tuesday. Then I'm going to request your home address so I can track you down and beat the piss out of you.

RXP
10-30-2004, 01:28 AM
Hahahahahah threats on a BBS.

wheelchairman
10-30-2004, 04:15 AM
I like bush , what the fuck are you guys' going to do about it !
Any one who doesn't like bush is a damn Hippie & I hate hippies

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Punks who like Bush.....mmmmmmmhypocracy.

Dexter_italy
10-30-2004, 04:48 AM
Typicval anti-American elitism you find here. Your views are backed up just by the media, and the media alone. You do realize that the majority of Americans are against Bush? The majority of Americans *were* against Bush. Besides Bush supporters are no different than Berlusconi supporters, both are despicable.

For Sure! Berlusconi supporters are despicables like bush ones,, I know that it's not the majority who likes bush, but he cheats....... The things I don't like in american's beheavior is their being superior to anyone else, as if their deads are more important than the deads of the rest of the world. But this doesn't mean I hate america or americans, I hate that kind of beheavior in everyone, italians, americans, french, english. Just something I don't like, but not for that they deserve to die.... noone deserves it. Oh and for the punks who likes bush I agree with you........ that's something else I hate...hypocracy. you know I HATE A LOT OF THINGS :D
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wheelchairman
10-30-2004, 06:36 AM
I grew up in America, and I'm pretty sure I know more Americans than you. I've never heard an American say that an American death was worth more than somebody else of another nation.

TRUSTpunk
10-30-2004, 11:15 AM
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wheelchairman
10-30-2004, 11:18 AM
Oh I am sure I know far more than you about American politics, boy.

So tell me, as a punk (and punks are a result of the youth disenfranchisement of society and their lack of belonging in this world. The rebellious need to change society in other words.) Why aren't you trying to change society? And voting for the current powers that be is not going to change society.

No, I suspect that you are just a bored rich kid.

TRUSTpunk
10-30-2004, 11:20 AM
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wheelchairman
10-30-2004, 11:25 AM
We should have our own opinions but we should also be able to defend them from criticism. Else they are just worthless dogma.

TRUSTpunk
10-30-2004, 11:34 AM
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wheelchairman
10-30-2004, 11:40 AM
So why do you vote for George W. Bush?

No Hero
10-30-2004, 12:47 PM
The following appeared in the Durham, NC local paper as a letter to the editor.

Liberals claim President Bush shouldn't have started this war. They complain about his prosecution of it. One liberal recently claimed Bush was the worst
president in U.S. history. Let's clear up one point: We didn't start the war
on terror. Try to remember, it was started by terrorists BEFORE 9/11.
Let's look at the "worst" president and mismanagement claims.
FDR led us into World War II. Germany never attacked us: Japan
did.
From 1941-1945, 450,000 lives were lost, an average of 112,500
per year.
Truman finished that war and started one in Korea, North Korea
never attacked us. From 1950-1953, 55,000 lives were lost, an average of
18,333 per year.
John F. Kennedy started the Vietnam conflict in 1962. Vietnam never attacked
us. I think history might show Eisenhower committed the troops and Kennedy
was honoring that commitment. Johnson turned Vietnam into a quagmire. From 1965-1975, 58,000 lives were lost, an average of 5,800 per year.
Clinton went to war in Bosnia without UN or French consent, Bosnia never
attacked us. He was offered Osama bin Laden's head on a platter three time by Sudan and did nothing. Osama has attacked us on multiple occasions.
In the two years since terrorists attacked us, President Bush has liberated two countries, crushed the Taliban, crippled al-Qaida, put nuclear
inspectors in Lybia, Iran and North Korea without firing a shot, and
captured a terrorist who slaughtered 300,000 of his own people. We lost 600
soldiers, an average of 300 a year. Bush did all this abroad while not
allowing another terrorist attack at home.

Worst president in history? Come on!
The Democrats are complaining about how long the war is taking, but...
It took less time to take Iraq than it took Janet Reno to take the Branch
Davidian compound. That was a 51 day operation.
We've been looking for evidence of chemical weapons in Iraq for less time
than it took Hillary Clinton to find the Rose Law Firm billing records.
It took less time for the 3rd Infantry Division and the Marines to destroy
the Medina Republican Guard than it took Teddy Kennedy to call the police
after his Oldsmobile sank at Chappaquiddick.
It took less time to take Iraq than it took to count the votes in Florida!!!!

wheelchairman
10-30-2004, 12:54 PM
But you haven't taken Iraq. 30% of Baghdad, has for a legal system, the laws of Shari'a. There are large pockets of resistance all over Iraq. Fallujah being the most famous.

And the Republican Guard is an interesting thing. Everytime the media said something about the Republican Guard it was always in awe of these elite troops of the Ba'athists. Yet they were beaten rather quickly. Doesn't that you as something fishy? Perhaps there are Republican Guards somewhere else, for example.

And finally, as for the terrorists starting it. What do you know of Middle Eastern history? I think it's obvious that terrorism is purely a reaction to foreign policy and US backed oppression.

No Hero
10-30-2004, 12:57 PM
But you haven't taken Iraq. 30% of Baghdad, has for a legal system, the laws of Shari'a. There are large pockets of resistance all over Iraq. Fallujah being the most famous.

And the Republican Guard is an interesting thing. Everytime the media said something about the Republican Guard it was always in awe of these elite troops of the Ba'athists. Yet they were beaten rather quickly. Doesn't that you as something fishy? Perhaps there are Republican Guards somewhere else, for example.

And finally, as for the terrorists starting it. What do you know of Middle Eastern history? I think it's obvious that terrorism is purely a reaction to foreign policy and US backed oppression.

You are from Denmark, your opinion doesnt matter

wheelchairman
10-30-2004, 01:01 PM
I'm a registered voter of the state of Oregon.

There are over a million absentee ballots you know.

No Hero
10-30-2004, 01:03 PM
Iraq is basically under US control, saddam is out and yes there are rebels still there but there always will be. And as far as US oppresion causing terrorism, I guess the religious conflicts with Israel and the Middle East is a result of US oppression

wheelchairman
10-30-2004, 01:13 PM
Unlimited American support.

That joke of a treaty that the US tried to have sign between Israel and Palestine under Clinton would've left a lot of Palestinians disenfranchised. But then Israel breeched it and things went much worse.

Uncritical support for the state of Israel and it's oppression of Palestinians is seen as quite clearly a negative force.

Going back to terrorism in the 70's, the Pahlavi Dynasty in Iran was an oppressive regime that had direct CIA help to overthrow the democratically elected Mosadegh. That's where a lot of Persian anti-Americanism may stem from, but hell I don't know, who wouldn't want to have their president removed, and then some joke for a King put into power to oppress them?

America has dabbled it's fingers into the political events of most Middle-Eastern countries. Supporting regimes that never should've been supported, overthrowing democracies. Droppin' bombs on countries during peace-time for no apparent reason at that moment. The continued lack of support to anyone but the rich of these countries. I'm surprised they haven't gotten even more violent.

As for Iraq. America has little or no real influence. We have a puppet who pretends to pass legislature. But no laws can ever be enforced unless there is a muscle behind it, and this muscle too has to accept these laws. And right now most Americans can't even perform normal patrols in Baghdad, let alone anywhere else in the country. No, I do think this will probably end very similar to Vietnam. We had the strength, I believed we killed between 2-4 million Vietnamese, and only I believe 154,000 American soldiers died, yet it's the Americans who lost.

charlesadude
10-30-2004, 02:56 PM
So wheelchairman we finally agree. Yes! Our Israli support is one of the stupidest well maybe the most stupid thing that America has done. Why support a nation that has conflicing veiws than every other nation around it? And they don't even have oil!!! Many would say because we don't want to be seen as anti-semetists. When this topic comes up I hide my head about being an american.

But as for your estimation about how many US soldier died in Vietnam it wasn't 154,000. Just drop the 1 off the front and you've got it. 54,000 people died there. But still, your comparison of the war in inaq with the war in Vietnam is completely unproportional. 54,000 vs. 1,000. Hmmm not really close if you ask me.

"I believe that we are at an impass. Why yes allow me to take this time to kill you."

wheelchairman
10-30-2004, 02:59 PM
Yes but that was the end of the Vietnam war. The Iraq war has only been going on for a year or so. Things will escalate.

charlesadude
10-30-2004, 08:33 PM
Ask any reasonable person. No way we will have anywhere near 54,000 casualties in this war. And if you do want to see things escalate! Vote John Kerry. Then we will see what happens.

Not Ozymandias
10-30-2004, 09:04 PM
I'm so glad you posted this bullshit...

The following appeared in the Durham, NC local paper as a letter to the editor.

Liberals claim President Bush shouldn't have started this war. They complain about his prosecution of it. One liberal recently claimed Bush was the worst
president in U.S. history. Let's clear up one point: We didn't start the war
on terror. Try to remember, it was started by terrorists BEFORE 9/11.


The invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11, except that they were justified by it.



Let's look at the "worst" president and mismanagement claims.
FDR led us into World War II. Germany never attacked us: Japan
did.
Germany declared war on us shortly after Pearl Harbor. Should the US have not faught back when 3 seperate nations declared WAR on it? Don't any of you fucks know history?



Truman finished that war and started one in Korea, North Korea
never attacked us. From 1950-1953, 55,000 lives were lost, an average of
18,333 per year.
One bullshit invasion hardly justifies another 50 years later.




John F. Kennedy started the Vietnam conflict in 1962. Vietnam never attacked us.
We weren't at war with "Vietnam". Was this composed on the back of someone's lunch bag on a short-bus?




I think history might show Eisenhower committed the troops and Kennedy was honoring that commitment.
Wait, so it WASN'T Kennedy's fault? You'd think the nutbag who wrote this would've at least gotten his story straight.




Johnson turned Vietnam into a quagmire. From 1965-1975, 58,000 lives were lost, an average of 5,800 per year.
Clinton went to war in Bosnia without UN or French consent, Bosnia never
attacked us. He was offered Osama bin Laden's head on a platter three time by Sudan and did nothing. Osama has attacked us on multiple occasions.
In the two years since terrorists attacked us, President Bush has liberated two countries, crushed the Taliban, crippled al-Qaida, put nuclear
inspectors in Lybia, Iran and North Korea without firing a shot, and
captured a terrorist who slaughtered 300,000 of his own people. We lost 600
soldiers, an average of 300 a year. Bush did all this abroad while not
allowing another terrorist attack at home.
This is such partisan horseshit. Where's the mention of Nixon bringing the Vietnam War into other countries? Where's Reagan's invasion of a fucking resort in Grenada, or his cut-and-run in Libya? Where's George Bush's War for Oil I? What a fucking coward this clown is.

Sudan is a terrorist state. There was never any offer to capture Bin Laden, let alone turn him over made. That is a lie. President Clinton shut down terrorist bases in 20 different nations and thwarted a dozen terrorist plots.


Don't ever post anything so idiotic again.

charlesadude
10-30-2004, 09:12 PM
Wait wait did you just say something about being the against the war in Afghanistan? Now being against the war in iraq i can understand. But shit! you gotta be fucked up to be against the war in Afghanistan.

Not Ozymandias
10-30-2004, 09:19 PM
Why? What good did it do aside from killing thousands of civilians? Did we capture Bin Laden? Shut down Al Qaeda? No.


Better yet: were we ever supposed to?

SicN Twisted
10-30-2004, 11:25 PM
I'd don't understand how anyone can support the war in afganistan. If an individual group attacks you, you don't leave a country in ruins because you suspect their presence there. You go after the individual group. Firebombing Kabul didn't do anything aside from strengthening AQ by making us look like assholes in front of the Arab world.

No Hero
10-31-2004, 12:32 AM
I'm so glad you posted this bullshit...


The invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11, except that they were justified by it.



Germany declared war on us shortly after Pearl Harbor. Should the US have not faught back when 3 seperate nations declared WAR on it? Don't any of you fucks know history?



One bullshit invasion hardly justifies another 50 years later.




We weren't at war with "Vietnam". Was this composed on the back of someone's lunch bag on a short-bus?




Wait, so it WASN'T Kennedy's fault? You'd think the nutbag who wrote this would've at least gotten his story straight.




This is such partisan horseshit. Where's the mention of Nixon bringing the Vietnam War into other countries? Where's Reagan's invasion of a fucking resort in Grenada, or his cut-and-run in Libya? Where's George Bush's War for Oil I? What a fucking coward this clown is.

Sudan is a terrorist state. There was never any offer to capture Bin Laden, let alone turn him over made. That is a lie. President Clinton shut down terrorist bases in 20 different nations and thwarted a dozen terrorist plots.


Don't ever post anything so idiotic again.

1. The invasion of Afghanistan had nothing to do with 9/11? Nothing at all?

2. Never said the US should not have fought back, just making a point.

3. Where did it say that because of Vietnam the war in Iraq was justifiable? It was simply making a point.

4. It didnt say war in Vietnam, it said the Vietnam CONFLICT

5. Clinton made a joke out the US by lying about his fucking blow job. And please prove it was a lie, or do you just know it was?

It is so like you liberals to nitpick shit. I see you havent said anything about capturing Saddam. So innocent civilians have died in Iraq, is that number anywhere near the 300,000+ Saddam killed? And what is your boy Kerry going to do about Iraq should he get elected? He doesnt even know where he stands. He has all these plans yet has failed to elaborate on them. I dont see how someone who is as hypocritical and undecided as Kerry is fit to run this country

Dexter_italy
10-31-2004, 01:11 AM
I grew up in America, and I'm pretty sure I know more Americans than you. I've never heard an American say that an American death was worth more than somebody else of another nation.

I think you're a great guy, there are some things we see in different ways, but I think you agree with me saying that bush is an asshole and doesn't deserve to be re-elected...
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wheelchairman
10-31-2004, 03:17 AM
1. The invasion of Afghanistan had nothing to do with 9/11? Nothing at all?

2. Never said the US should not have fought back, just making a point.

3. Where did it say that because of Vietnam the war in Iraq was justifiable? It was simply making a point.

4. It didnt say war in Vietnam, it said the Vietnam CONFLICT

5. Clinton made a joke out the US by lying about his fucking blow job. And please prove it was a lie, or do you just know it was?

It is so like you liberals to nitpick shit. I see you havent said anything about capturing Saddam. So innocent civilians have died in Iraq, is that number anywhere near the 300,000+ Saddam killed? And what is your boy Kerry going to do about Iraq should he get elected? He doesnt even know where he stands. He has all these plans yet has failed to elaborate on them. I dont see how someone who is as hypocritical and undecided as Kerry is fit to run this country

1. How many of the original hi-jackers were from Afghanistan?
2. Yes but your point was made null-void by his comment that America had war declared on it first. You could at least have the balls to recognize that.
3. I believe you mean Korea.
4. Then Vietnam can't be compared to Iraq, since Iraq is a war-time situation.
5. Instead of making a good reply to Clinton's policy towards terrorism that was actually effective, you just decided to mention the sex-scandal and avoid the thing completely. It's really kind of funny. "Clinton was able to get rid of more terrorists without a war on terror than Bush ever was." "Well at least Bush never got a blow-job in the oval office." Irrelevant. Furthermore, I don't like Clinton, and I hate when people say this in Europe, but everyone I've ever met outside of America, has said that they preferred Clinton to Bush. So Clinton has not made America a joke, but Bush certainly has.

Furthermore, Saddam hasn't mass killed any Iraqi civilians since the early 90's, and at that point in time it was alright, because America knew about it, we just turned our heads away and accepted it. Hell we went as far as approving the invasion of Kuwait, and then turning around and saying 'whoa, wait a second, April was just ignorant, we didn't mean to approve this.'

It's odd how people defending Bush always refer to all their opponents as Liberals. From now on I will refer to you as a Nazi. Okay mr. Nazi?

Not Ozymandias
10-31-2004, 09:17 AM
1. The invasion of Afghanistan had nothing to do with 9/11? Nothing at all?

2. Never said the US should not have fought back, just making a point.

3. Where did it say that because of Vietnam the war in Iraq was justifiable? It was simply making a point.

4. It didnt say war in Vietnam, it said the Vietnam CONFLICT

5. Clinton made a joke out the US by lying about his fucking blow job. And please prove it was a lie, or do you just know it was?

It is so like you liberals to nitpick shit. I see you havent said anything about capturing Saddam. So innocent civilians have died in Iraq, is that number anywhere near the 300,000+ Saddam killed? And what is your boy Kerry going to do about Iraq should he get elected? He doesnt even know where he stands. He has all these plans yet has failed to elaborate on them. I dont see how someone who is as hypocritical and undecided as Kerry is fit to run this country
You didn't make any point, the yahoo who composed that ridiculous thing did. And what was the point, exactly? That he (and you, for reposting it) knows shit about history? That you're a partisan clown? We already got that, thnx.

Prove that what you reposted about Sudan was a lie? Okay: there was no offer from the Sudanese government EVER to capture and/or turn over Bin Laden. We got in touch with them in 1998 and determined that there was no truth to the rumor. Got any proof otherwise?

What is there to say about capturing Hussein? He was never a threat to America. Not when he was invading Kuwait, and not in the dozen years afterwards when Iraq kept to itself. Do you have proof that Hussein killed 300,000? And are those dead seperate than the 2 million that died because of UN sanctions?
Kerry will begin withdrawing 6 months after taking office. Whose fault is it that you haven't paid attention to what he's said? And what's Bush's plan for Iraq again?

You're a dummy, and you know fuck-all about world events. Never post here again.

SicN Twisted
10-31-2004, 10:43 AM
Only low reaching morons bring up Clinton's blow job in attempting to critisize him. Clinton's blow job had absolutely nothing to do with his politics, and to even mention makes you, not him, look like a fool.

Btw, Mr. Sudan, the only thing in Sudan we blew up was the government pill factory which provided medication to dying people in the country. The attack caused an outbreak of disease and ended up killing 30 thousand more people then the 7,000 killed in the explosion (a bit more severe then 9/11)

Any American should think twice before calling anyone else a terrorist nation.

Not Ozymandias
10-31-2004, 10:49 AM
Btw, Mr. Sudan, the only thing in Sudan we blew up was the government pill factory which provided medication to dying people in the country. The attack caused an outbreak of disease and ended up killing 30 thousand more people then the 7,000 killed in the explosion (a bit more severe then 9/11)

Any American should think twice before calling anyone else a terrorist nation.
Er, that was me :o But by our definition they're a terrorist state - they've aided Al Qaeda and Hamas in the past. The idea that they would out of the blue decide to capture OBL for us is like Italy offering up Hitler in the 30's. This is all based on the UNPROVEN claims of one nutty Sudanese expatriate who now claims he tried to broker a deal, despite Sudan's denial there ever was one, and our conclusion that he was full of shit.

The gentlemen now works for Faux News Channel's foreign affairs department.
You couldn't make this shit up...

No Hero
10-31-2004, 10:56 AM
You didn't make any point, the yahoo who composed that ridiculous thing did. And what was the point, exactly? That he (and you, for reposting it) knows shit about history? That you're a partisan clown? We already got that, thnx.

Prove that what you reposted about Sudan was a lie? Okay: there was no offer from the Sudanese government EVER to capture and/or turn over Bin Laden. We got in touch with them in 1998 and determined that there was no truth to the rumor. Got any proof otherwise?

What is there to say about capturing Hussein? He was never a threat to America. Not when he was invading Kuwait, and not in the dozen years afterwards when Iraq kept to itself. Do you have proof that Hussein killed 300,000? And are those dead seperate than the 2 million that died because of UN sanctions?
Kerry will begin withdrawing 6 months after taking office. Whose fault is it that you haven't paid attention to what he's said? And what's Bush's plan for Iraq again?

You're a dummy, and you know fuck-all about world events. Never post here again.

Oh Im a dummy, you are so wise and mature. You still have yet to prove that Sudan did not offer Osama from a reliable source. Great Kerry will begin withdrawing troops within 6 months, that is gonna help out... Leaving Iraq in total anarchy. Bush has made his plans clear and for the most part has stuck by what he said four years ago. Unlike Kerry who has changed his mind and positions numerous times. Its pretty clear that Bush planned to over throw Saddam, which he did, and set up a Democracy for the people of Iraq. And what are Kerry's other plans? Oh yeah he wants health care for all Americans that will cost what again? Something around a trillion dollars, that will help out the budget defecit. So are you saying that Saddam was not a violent dictator and that he did not murder massive amounts of innocent people? And to the guy who said it sfunny how I refer to you people as liberals, if you support Kerry how are you not a liberal?

Not Ozymandias
10-31-2004, 11:09 AM
Oh Im a dummy, you are so wise and mature. You still have yet to prove that Sudan did not offer Osama from a reliable source. Great Kerry will begin withdrawing troops within 6 months, that is gonna help out... Leaving Iraq in total anarchy. Bush has made his plans clear and for the most part has stuck by what he said four years ago. Unlike Kerry who has changed his mind and positions numerous times. Its pretty clear that Bush planned to over throw Saddam, which he did, and set up a Democracy for the people of Iraq. And what are Kerry's other plans? Oh yeah he wants health care for all Americans that will cost what again? Something around a trillion dollars, that will help out the budget defecit. So are you saying that Saddam was not a violent dictator and that he did not murder massive amounts of innocent people? And to the guy who said it sfunny how I refer to you people as liberals, if you support Kerry how are you not a liberal?
I don't have to disprove the word of one nutbag who wasn't even reperesting the Sudanese government. That's like asking someone to prove that Melmac isn't a tenth planet between Venus and Earth. President Clinton's counterterror people talked to Sudan and concluded there was never a deal. Sudan mantains there was never a deal. That's a categorical denial by both sides, neither of which have changed their story in 6 years. What else do you need?

Sen. Kerry said that he will start withdrawl AFTER 6 months. His plans and goals are clear if you pay the fuck attention for once. Bush hasn't changed in 4 years? Well, what about this:

Bush is against campaign finance reform; then he runs an ad saying he's for it. Then he says he's against it again; then he signs it into law once President.

Bush is against a Homeland Security Department; then he's for it.

Bush is against a 9/11 commission; then he's for it.

Bush is against an Iraq WMD investigation; then he's for it.

Bush is against nation building; then he's for it.

Bush is against deficits; then he's for them.

Bush is for free trade; then he's for tariffs on steel; then he's against them again.

Bush is against the U.S. taking a role in the Israeli Palestinian conflict; then he pushes for a "road map" and a Palestinian State.

Bush is for states right to decide on gay marriage, then he is for changing the constitution.

Bush first says he'll provide money for first responders (fire, police, emergency), then he doesn't.

Bush first says that 'help is on the way' to the military ... then he cuts benefits

Bush-"The most important thing is for us to find Osama bin Laden. Bush-"I don't know where he is. I have no idea and I really don't care.

Bush claims to be in favor of the environment and then secretly starts drilling on Padre Island.

Bush talks about helping education and increases mandates while cutting funding.

Bush first says the U.S. won't negotiate with North Korea. Now he will

Bush goes to Bob Jones University. Then say's he shouldn't have.

Bush said he would demand a U.N. Security Council vote on whether to sanction military action against Iraq. Later Bush announced he would not call for a vote

Bush said the "mission accomplished" banner was put up by the sailors. Bush later admits it was his advance team.

Bush was for fingerprinting and photographing Mexicans who enter the US. Bush after meeting with Pres. Fox, he's against it.
Flippity-fucking-FLOP.

I didn't say Hussein wasn't evil. I said he wasn't our fucking problem. History has already proven me to be correct, less than two years after the fact.



You finally spelled "liberal(s)" correctly. Not once, but TWICE. Take a bow.

wheelchairman
10-31-2004, 11:13 AM
Wrong. Bush never kept any of his campaign promises. What happened to the leave no child behind campaign? Obviously you have a problem with your short term memory.

Again, you're asking us to prove that Sudan *didn't* offer to capture Osama Bin Laden for us. Yet you've not given a source. Once you give us a source (who will be this wackjob Sudanese expatriate). We will tell you that your source is a wackjob Sudanese expatriate and can't be relied on over the actual Sudanese government who denies this completely.

Iraq *is* in total anarchy. Bush has not brought democracy to Iraq. Although he destroyed the secular state, and is to blame for the implementation of Shari'a law into the country. I find that disgusting personally, but well Bush does represent the religious right.

And healthcare for all Americans would be a good thing. Do you have any idea what kind of a cruel civilization doesn't allow it's citizens the right to free medical care? I believe every single nation in Western Europe has been able to do it so far. The Soviet Union could do it. Maoist China could. Cuba can. The DPRK can. Vietnam Can. Mongolia can. Pridnestrovie can. Laos can. Why on Earth can't America afford it?

Jeez you really are a dick for being against universal healthcare. Excuse me, but I remember what it's like being burned as a kid and not being able to go to a hospital because we couldn't afford it. I hope you get a die from an infectious papercut from a dollar bill.

Furthermore, Nazi, I have never said I supported Kerry. So why am I a liberal? Secondly, none of us have said Saddam was a wonderful person. We're just saying that the majority of Iraqi's have not benefited from the American occupation of a sovereign nation. And they certainly won't. You know what, I can't believe how lucky we are that Al-Sistani hasn't followed the Iranian line. Things could be a whole lot worse.

charlesadude
10-31-2004, 12:50 PM
A socialized health care system isn't what we need for America. In other countries such as Canada sure they have healthcare for everyone. But is it any good? No. Without an economic drive the market of doctoring, just like any other buisiness will steadily decline. Better doctors should be able to charge more and be paid by the individual that wishes to hire them. We do have healthcare help in America, but a total socialized system of medicine simply will not stand the test of time. Its will be defeated just like comunism was because its the same concept. Basically we need to maintain a middle ground in America. We definately don't need a communist governement. But we also need regulations. Perhaps a few more healthcare benefits from the government are in order, but we need to have freedom in Amrica because that's just what we stand for.

Oh and yu are liberal just to let you know :p . You voted 3rd party and whatever you want to say you are liberal. All third parties are.

"YOU'RE TOAST HAS BEEN BURNED. AND NO AMMOUNT OF SCRAPING WILL REMOVE THE BLACK PART!!!"

No Hero
10-31-2004, 12:50 PM
I don't have to disprove the word of one nutbag who wasn't even reperesting the Sudanese government. That's like asking someone to prove that Melmac isn't a tenth planet between Venus and Earth. President Clinton's counterterror people talked to Sudan and concluded there was never a deal. Sudan mantains there was never a deal. That's a categorical denial by both sides, neither of which have changed their story in 6 years. What else do you need?

Sen. Kerry said that he will start withdrawl AFTER 6 months. His plans and goals are clear if you pay the fuck attention for once. Bush hasn't changed in 4 years? Well, what about this:

Flippity-fucking-FLOP.

I didn't say Hussein wasn't evil. I said he wasn't our fucking problem. History has already proven me to be correct, less than two years after the fact.



You finally spelled "liberal(s)" correctly. Not once, but TWICE. Take a bow.

One of Kerry's plans for Iraq is to withdrawl troops after 6 months, how is that going to help? That is the only thing I have seen him elaborate on besides criticizing what Bush has done and saying he is gonna fix this or that. He doesnt elaborate on shit. And I forgot for a second this is an internet forum not an English class. I never said Bush hasnt changed in 4 years. I said he has stuck by most of what he has said and he has. no politician ever keeps 100% of their promises. But if Kerry cant make up his mind now, what is it going to be like in if he gets in the White House?

charlesadude
10-31-2004, 12:52 PM
I second that! good show!

No Hero
10-31-2004, 01:00 PM
Wrong. Bush never kept any of his campaign promises. What happened to the leave no child behind campaign? Obviously you have a problem with your short term memory.

Again, you're asking us to prove that Sudan *didn't* offer to capture Osama Bin Laden for us. Yet you've not given a source. Once you give us a source (who will be this wackjob Sudanese expatriate). We will tell you that your source is a wackjob Sudanese expatriate and can't be relied on over the actual Sudanese government who denies this completely.

Iraq *is* in total anarchy. Bush has not brought democracy to Iraq. Although he destroyed the secular state, and is to blame for the implementation of Shari'a law into the country. I find that disgusting personally, but well Bush does represent the religious right.

And healthcare for all Americans would be a good thing. Do you have any idea what kind of a cruel civilization doesn't allow it's citizens the right to free medical care? I believe every single nation in Western Europe has been able to do it so far. The Soviet Union could do it. Maoist China could. Cuba can. The DPRK can. Vietnam Can. Mongolia can. Pridnestrovie can. Laos can. Why on Earth can't America afford it?

Jeez you really are a dick for being against universal healthcare. Excuse me, but I remember what it's like being burned as a kid and not being able to go to a hospital because we couldn't afford it. I hope you get a die from an infectious papercut from a dollar bill.

Furthermore, Nazi, I have never said I supported Kerry. So why am I a liberal? Secondly, none of us have said Saddam was a wonderful person. We're just saying that the majority of Iraqi's have not benefited from the American occupation of a sovereign nation. And they certainly won't. You know what, I can't believe how lucky we are that Al-Sistani hasn't followed the Iranian line. Things could be a whole lot worse.

Bush hasnt kept one campain promise? Ever? Iraq is not in total anarchy, it is not in good shape but it is getting better. What is it going to be like when our troops pull out if Kerry has his way? After our troops are out and what rebels are left come in and take back over. Then it will be a total waste of our soldiers lives for not accomplishing anything. That is not what I want within the next four years. And as far as healthcare for all Americans, sure its a noble idea but Im not for it. How does that make me a dick? Because I dont agree with you, great logic. My family has had its share of problems as far as health issues go and until recently we did not have health care. However it is not up to the rest of the American people to pay for it. And how can I "get a die from an infectious papercut?" How am I a nazi? I dont remember being a part of Hitlers regime.

charlesadude
10-31-2004, 01:04 PM
yeah, what he said. i like this guy

wheelchairman
10-31-2004, 01:09 PM
But is it any good? No.
Yes it is. Cuba has one of the highest rated Healthcare systems in the world. But then again, you're argument was never based in reality.


Its will be defeated just like comunism was because its the same concept.
You obviously don't understand communism. Because communism is not just socialized healthcare. That is merely an affect of dialectic materialism put into practice.

Furthermore communism was never defeated. It still thrives in Cuba, DPRK, Pridnestrovie, Mongolia, Vietnam, and Laos. The People's War in Nepal has gained the Communists 70% of the land over the Monarchist government. That is 15million Nepali supporting the Communists. The Communists in India also administrate several sections of India and have done so for decades. There are Maoist uprisings all over the 3rd world if one looks for them. Venezuela has a socialist leader doing great things. And the greatest thing is, there would be no communism in most of these countries if the US hadn't used a form of economic Imperialism in their countries.


but we need to have freedom in Amrica because that's just what we stand for.
How does nationalizing healthcare take away freedom? Unless by freedom, you mean freedom for the rich to have the right to better health facilities than the poor. So your version of freedom is for the rich to be able to have everything better than the poor. My friend, this is only freedom for the rich, and quite obviously slavery for the poor. How is that freedom? If we want to show we are better than every crackpot dictatorship, why don't we take care of every citizen in our country?


Oh and yu are liberal just to let you know . You voted 3rd party and whatever you want to say you are liberal. All third parties are.
Once again you prove your ignorance. Nazi.


how is that going to help?

We were never meant to be there. It's the American presence that is the main source of support for the Islamic Resistance groups. For the Ba'athist supporters, and for the resisting groups of communists and nationalists.

And No Hero, you've still not offered real evidence that Clinton turned down help from Sudan.


I second that! good show!
Easily entertained aren't we? To quote possibly one of the best lines from Ozymandias ever, "You must do a lot of high-fiving in your life don't you?"

No Hero
10-31-2004, 01:15 PM
Yes it is. Cuba has one of the highest rated Healthcare systems in the world. But then again, you're argument was never based in reality.


You obviously don't understand communism. Because communism is not just socialized healthcare. That is merely an affect of dialectic materialism put into practice.

Furthermore communism was never defeated. It still thrives in Cuba, DPRK, Pridnestrovie, Mongolia, Vietnam, and Laos. The People's War in Nepal has gained the Communists 70% of the land over the Monarchist government. That is 15million Nepali supporting the Communists. The Communists in India also administrate several sections of India and have done so for decades. There are Maoist uprisings all over the 3rd world if one looks for them. Venezuela has a socialist leader doing great things. And the greatest thing is, there would be no communism in most of these countries if the US hadn't used a form of economic Imperialism in their countries.


How does nationalizing healthcare take away freedom? Unless by freedom, you mean freedom for the rich to have the right to better health facilities than the poor. So your version of freedom is for the rich to be able to have everything better than the poor. My friend, this is only freedom for the rich, and quite obviously slavery for the poor. How is that freedom? If we want to show we are better than every crackpot dictatorship, why don't we take care of every citizen in our country?

Once again you prove your ignorance. Nazi.



We were never meant to be there. It's the American presence that is the main source of support for the Islamic Resistance groups. For the Ba'athist supporters, and for the resisting groups of communists and nationalists.

And No Hero, you've still not offered real evidence that Clinton turned down help from Sudan.


Easily entertained aren't we? To quote possibly one of the best lines from Ozymandias ever, "You must do a lot of high-fiving in your life don't you?"

You also have yet to offer an real evidence that Clinton did not turn down herlp from Sudan. You know what im not rich, nor is my family. How would healthcare for everyone take away freedom? Simple, if you are put on a government health care system you are told what kind of health care you get, where it is accepted etc. How is that being able to choose? And you say the rich have better health facilities than the poor, that is because they have worked for it and can afford it. Should we now give every poor person in the US a Ferrari because rich people drive them while poor people drive a Civic? You still rsort to calling me a nazi because you dont agree with my political views, that makes sense...

wheelchairman
10-31-2004, 01:26 PM
Real evidence? What in all of god's mighty Earth are you talking about? We have shown that both the Clinton Administration and the Current Sudanese government have denied it. Can you get better sources?

So offering free healthcare to all citizens is considered less free than selling healthcare to only those who can afford it? What kind of drug are you on?

And when a person says he earned his money from hard work. The only question is who's?

And I didn't call you a Nazi. I called Charleyadude a nazi cause he calls me a liberal.

No Hero
10-31-2004, 01:35 PM
Real evidence? What in all of god's mighty Earth are you talking about? We have shown that both the Clinton Administration and the Current Sudanese government have denied it. Can you get better sources?

So offering free healthcare to all citizens is considered less free than selling healthcare to only those who can afford it? What kind of drug are you on?

And when a person says he earned his money from hard work. The only question is who's?

And I didn't call you a Nazi. I called Charleyadude a nazi cause he calls me a liberal.

So because you and some other guy on the net say it, it is real evidence. Ok. So like I said since poor people cannot afford a Ferrari we should give them one because rich people can afford them? This is not a Socialist country no matter how bad people may want it to be. Everyone that earns money of any amount gets it from somewhere else. If I order a part for my car from a small business who is barely making it and they make money off of me it is ok right? But if someone who is "poor" needs to hire a lawyer who will make money off of his client that is not acceptable right? Guess what life is not fair

wheelchairman
10-31-2004, 01:57 PM
So because you and some other guy on the net say it, it is real evidence.
We've given as much links as you have. Quit being a hypocrit.

I'm not exactly sure what the point of that middle rambling was, if you could phrase it in a more coherent way that might help.


Guess what life is not fair
That is the mantra of people who lack the imagination to change things.

Dirty_Maggots
10-31-2004, 11:55 PM
Wow, this wheelchair guy says he never called no hero a nazi, but back on page 10, he calls him nazi and mr.nazi. He get's mad that you call him a liberal, when his views, for example, like health care for all Americans, are liberal views. So he back fires calling you Nazis which means you support an all white skinned, blonde haired, blue eyed superior race that wants to purfy the earth by getting rid of all races and religion. Who's assumption seem's more out of context? Anyways, I personally feel that Bush and Kerry both have issues. Bush is definetly not the best president we've ever had, but if Kerry was elected he'd probably take the worst president slot. He hardly took his Senator job seriously. His plan to pull some thousand soldiers out of Iraq in 6 months doesn't add up. Our guys are having a hard time as it is so let's pull out their reinforcments? Also, is Kerry for the $40 billion that's supposed to give more ammo, armor, munitions etc to our troops or not? I've lost track of where he stands on this since he's changed his mind so much. He not only makes our few allies in Iraq seem non-existant but he claims he can be friends with the U.N. again and that he'll find Osama. Is Kerry getting in his combat jacket and going to find Osama? Are we getting rid of the troops that Bush sent in and sending in a whole new army of Kerry troops? C'mon it took like 20 years to find the Uni-bomber and he was in the US! And why should we ask the U.N. if it's ok for us to defend ourselves? I'm not refering to Iraq since they didn't attack us, but the Taliban did. And you can't say by bombing the training camps and bunkers we didn't do anything. Also, if anyone has picked up a newspaper recently, they'd know that in Afghanistan they just proceeded in a act of voting and villages REQUESTED U.S. and coalition troops to occupy their villages because they felt safe from the warlords who tried to control them. Furthermore, the villages said they thought of the U.S. as "Agents of Progress" rather than "occupiers". Unless the reporters lied, this is what the Afghans have said about us. I could go on forever about this but I'll move on to my next point. That one guy(forgot his name, guy with red shirt avatar) accused this war to be for oil. I don't think oil is soley the purpose of this war, but probably plays a part. I think oil IS worth fighting for. Why? Well the middle east is where we get over 80% of our oil. We (America) only mine about 10-15% of our own oil from our country, most comes from Alaska. Without oil, you cannot drive, you cannot fly, you cannot use ships (with the exception of sail boats), no candles, milk cartons, polishs(products of potrolium from oil), many medicines, like penicillin, are made from patrolium products, pain relievers use acetylsalicylic acid, a product of petrochemicals which is made from oil, bandages(like band-aids) rely on oil as do the cloth on bandages/band aids which are products of petrochemicals, pen ink, plastic products(ex. soda bottles) cloth fabric, carpet etc derive from petrochemicals(made from key ingreidiant oil), detergants and cleaning powders for house and laundry use petrochemicals, food preservers for canned food, certain shoes use petroleum, garbage bags, film used for taking photographs, plant fertilizer, pesticides, did i mention rugs/carpets?, CD's and cassetes, make up, nail polish, hair dye, vitamins and damn I think that's enough. Bottom line, we can't function w/ out oil at least not very well. The only bright side for the hippies, is w/ out oil we couldn't even wage a war. Theres no way we could travel to the Middle East. Of course theres always someone who says "No lives for oil." I don't know about any of you, but I sure as hell don't want to try and function without oil. Oil gives us freedom to do many things we need and want to do. If we are fighting for oil, then ask why is it a bad thing. We are in a sense fighting for a part of our freedom and yeah it's going to make some Arab asshole who owns a oil field rich off us but so what he's got a manopoly. We need what they have. I'm sick of typing but that's how I see it. I'm sure I spelt something wrong or left out a comma so don't bother mentioning it.

wheelchairman
11-01-2004, 12:02 AM
1. Learn to write with paragraphs, cause else you look stupid.
2. What kind of an idiot are you? I clearly and distinctly called Charleyadude a nazi. But jeez heaven forbid you not be the endless propaganda machine and actually read something in context for once.

I got class now, and I don't feel like reading the ramblings of a person who can't figure out how to write in paragraphs.

RXP
11-01-2004, 12:36 AM
Dirty_Maggots you make some excellent points. But paragraph that shit up.

But despite me knowing that we get all sorts from oil I never thought of it like that.

And I disagree with Kerry diverting funds from Iraq. It's vietnam all over again. Quit now and leave a country to rot. You started a war so stay in for the long haul. In Vietnam they attempted vietnamization and it didn't work. So if Kerry diverts funds from Iraq I'm pro Bush because it's the lesser of two evils. At least Bush knows where he wants to be and in many ways his propaganda efforts are great because they enable him to maintain public support therefore keep troops in Iraq well funded. In public opinion caused withdrawel here I don't think it will be a problem because Bush has an outstanding Propaganda machine.

I never thought I'd say that but yes I think I'm pro Bush. I can't really see him starting any other wars and the Iraq mess has been created (I agreed with the war on regime change reasons) so one has to stay in for the long haul.

Plus the bull shit that Kerry fought for his CUNTry pisses me off like he's some great warrior.

wheelchairman
11-01-2004, 07:05 AM
On America in Afghanistan. Of course they want the US to protect them from the warlords. You do realize that the US has been supporting the warlords since they don't have enough troops in Afghanistan to go to each village. So we've been supporting these warlords to do basically whatever they want, as long as it was anti-Taleban. Not to mention that 30% of Afghanistan is still under Taleban administration, but never mind that. Afghanistan is actually a worse botched job in many ways than Iraq is. Oh and that election is a joke.

Second yeah oil can be used in many ways. The point is to find alternative sources, you see oil, is not an unlimited supply. So eventually we will run out of oil. And that's gonna suck. It won't happen suddenly, it will probably take decades before we completely run out. But it will still suck. The general idea is to find alternative sources for all those things. However, we invaded and liberated the oil of a country in which the oil wasn't in the hands of a few oligarchs, but in the hands of a government that generally used the profit to lighten the burden of a lot of people in many ways.

But I'm glad you deem it the right of the US to invade sovereign countries and take their natural resources. Instead of, oh I don't know, finding other sources. And you know there are already several ideas for oil conservation, they just can't break into the market because the government won't do anything. (oh and I'm totally for government intervention into the market, for all you economists out there.)

No Hero
11-01-2004, 07:13 PM
Bin Laden doesnt want Bush in the White House. He wants Kerry to get elected. I say we vote for the person that the evil mastermind/terrorist who organized the attack that resulted in the loss of thousands of American civilians wants.

No Hero
11-01-2004, 07:23 PM
1. Learn to write with paragraphs, cause else you look stupid.
2. What kind of an idiot are you? I clearly and distinctly called Charleyadude a nazi. But jeez heaven forbid you not be the endless propaganda machine and actually read something in context for once.

I got class now, and I don't feel like reading the ramblings of a person who can't figure out how to write in paragraphs.

1. Learn how to make sense in a sentence.
2. Its ok Liberal, you guys never backtrack when you get caught in something...

No Hero
11-01-2004, 07:27 PM
But I'm glad you deem it the right of the US to invade sovereign countries and take their natural resources. Instead of, oh I don't know, finding other sources. And you know there are already several ideas for oil conservation, they just can't break into the market because the government won't do anything. (oh and I'm totally for government intervention into the market, for all you economists out there.)

That is the problem with most Liberals. They dont want to get oil from somewhere else. But as soon as drilling in Alaska is mentioned, that is also unacceptable. And this war was not for oil. It was about removing an evil dictator who slaughtered numerous innocent people. And HAD WMDs. Were they there when we invaded? Maybe not. Point is he did have them.

greencows12
11-01-2004, 07:52 PM
Bush is a cunt.

wheelchairman
11-02-2004, 07:49 AM
1. Saddam did not have WMDs. I don't think that could be more obvious. You are living in a dream world. If by "HAD" you mean in 1988, that does not justify an invasion in 2004.

2. I never said this war was exclusively about oil.

Not Ozymandias
11-02-2004, 10:19 PM
This is all based on the UNPROVEN claims of one nutty Sudanese expatriate
I made a mistake. He is actually from Pakistan, not Sudan. Of course, the truth only makes it MORE ricockulous that the Sudanese government would choose some Pakistani-American to broker a deal with America, and then deny there ever was one once contacted.


Carry on.

Dirty_Maggots
11-03-2004, 06:54 PM
1. Learn to write with paragraphs, cause else you look stupid.
2. What kind of an idiot are you? I clearly and distinctly called Charleyadude a nazi. But jeez heaven forbid you not be the endless propaganda machine and actually read something in context for once.

I got class now, and I don't feel like reading the ramblings of a person who can't figure out how to write in paragraphs.



Ah the irony. You're in class but on the Offspring forums.... Assuming you made it out of grammer school and are in college, what is your college tuition paying for?

No Hero
11-03-2004, 07:56 PM
Ah the irony. You're in class but on the Offspring forums.... Assuming you made it out of grammer school and are in college, what is your college tuition paying for?

He wants to help you with your grammar "else you look stupid" right wheelchairfag? You suck at life

wetwillyjames
11-03-2004, 09:23 PM
I like bush, so you who oppose can go to hell, I mean he's not the best person, but comeone Kerry? KERRY? are you kidding me, that man sucks ass, he's the biggest liar in the world. If the democrats would of been smart and actually chosen someone better to run on the ticket such as maybe liberman, then I think they would of actually won the white house

wheelchairman
11-03-2004, 11:16 PM
Ah the irony. You're in class but on the Offspring forums.... Assuming you made it out of grammer school and are in college, what is your college tuition paying for?
I don't have tuition, you see in Denmark, everyone has the right to a higher education. The funny thing is, we also have these things called "breaks" in which we're allowed to go online and surf the internet if we chose to do so.


He wants to help you with your grammar "else you look stupid" right wheelchairfag? You suck at life
Touched a nerve with you, haven't I? Perhaps you should focus less on ad hominems and more on actually addressing my criticisms of your political orientation. And honestly, is wheelchairfag the best you can come up with?

wheelchairman
11-03-2004, 11:17 PM
I like bush, so you who oppose can go to hell, I mean he's not the best person, but comeone Kerry? KERRY? are you kidding me, that man sucks ass, he's the biggest liar in the world. If the democrats would of been smart and actually chosen someone better to run on the ticket such as maybe liberman, then I think they would of actually won the white house
The biggest liar in the world? What did he claim their were WMDs in Iraq? And that ba'athism is the butt buddy of political Islam?

And I'm glad Lieberman didn't run, we don't need anymore religious nutjobs in power.

charlesadude
11-03-2004, 11:41 PM
I like bush, so you who oppose can go to hell, I mean he's not the best person, but comeone Kerry? KERRY? are you kidding me, that man sucks ass, he's the biggest liar in the world. If the democrats would of been smart and actually chosen someone better to run on the ticket such as maybe liberman, then I think they would of actually won the white house

ya i second that for sure.
but now that kerry lost big time there is good and bad news. WE wont be dead anytime soon from some kerry peace train plan gone terribly wrong. but now... god damn it... kerry and Edwards are back in private practice.... ahhhhhhhhhh!

charlesadude
11-03-2004, 11:43 PM
The biggest liar in the world? What did he claim their were WMDs in Iraq? And that ba'athism is the butt buddy of political Islam?

And I'm glad Lieberman didn't run, we don't need anymore religious nutjobs in power.

as i said before you could bitch about anything. just cause someone is religous doesn;t mean that they are bad and should stay out of political offices. after all i could say that i dont think people with extremely leftist and unrealistic.. nearly anarchistic veiws should be in policial foroms...

charlesadude
11-03-2004, 11:46 PM
1. Learn to write with paragraphs, cause else you look stupid.
2. What kind of an idiot are you? I clearly and distinctly called Charleyadude a nazi. But jeez heaven forbid you not be the endless propaganda machine and actually read something in context for once.

I got class now, and I don't feel like reading the ramblings of a person who can't figure out how to write in paragraphs.

ya and all i can say about this is that the jews never wanted to kill all germans. suddam, given the time and ability, would have

wheelchairman
11-03-2004, 11:54 PM
as i said before you could bitch about anything. just cause someone is religous doesn't
I never meant that religion was a problem, the tendency for the Religious Politicians in America seems to be generally the same as that of the Ayatollah's in Iran in my opinion, the ongoing struggle against equal rights for women and homosexuals. Take the abortion issue for instance.


suddam, given the time and ability, would have
Yes, if we gave Saddam the ability, he might. Although I don't think he would attack the Germans, but that does show how little you seem to understand middle Eastern politics. Saddam was about as weak as a kitten when we invaded. And he certainly wasn't going to get much stronger than that.

Not Ozymandias
11-04-2004, 02:36 PM
Assuming you made it out of grammer school
*grammar


Grammer is a town in Indiana.

Not Ozymandias
11-04-2004, 02:50 PM
What did he claim their were WMDs in Iraq?
Actually he did during the push to war. :o I guess he figured he could claim he trusted the President, but so many people saw through Bush's lies that it sounded ridiculous for a 30-year politician and 20-year Senator to pretend he was tricked.

Not Ozymandias
11-04-2004, 02:53 PM
WE wont be dead anytime soon from some kerry peace train plan gone terribly wrong.
What do you mean "we", mammal? Who ever died from peace?



kerry and Edwards are back in private practice.... ahhhhhhhhhh!
Kerry is still a Senator. Wow, you just know SO MUCH about politics...

SicN Twisted
11-04-2004, 02:55 PM
Grammer? Maybe you're thinking of Granger?

Kerry did follow the Bush bandwagon at the beginning, but then he followed to democratic bandwagon of changing his opinion.

I'veGoneAway
11-06-2004, 01:12 PM
I like bush!! woohoo

lousyskater
11-06-2004, 01:52 PM
i dont think people with extremely leftist and unrealistic.. nearly anarchistic veiws should be in policial foroms...

that has to be one of the most ignorant statements i've ever heard. why shouldn't they? everyone has a right to their own opinion.


I like bush, so you who oppose can go to hell, I mean he's not the best person, but comeone Kerry? KERRY? are you kidding me, that man sucks ass, he's the biggest liar in the world

what makes kerry the biggest liar in the world? please tell me some of his gigantic lies you claim that he has made.
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Mot
11-06-2004, 01:55 PM
Thats intresting... Most people in the states with the avarange iq under 100 woted bush...

http://attenuation.net/files/iq.htm

Really does answer the question:
http://images.icnetwork.co.uk/upl/mirror/nov2004/1/0/000ADF94-E181-1189-B6E080BFB6FA0000.jpg

lousyskater
11-06-2004, 02:04 PM
i already posted that in "the reason why kerry lost" thread
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Mot
11-06-2004, 02:21 PM
Yea well, it still pwns.

Vera
11-06-2004, 02:32 PM
as i said before you could bitch about anything. just cause someone is religous doesn;t mean that they are bad and should stay out of political offices. after all i could say that i dont think people with extremely leftist and unrealistic.. nearly anarchistic veiws should be in policial foroms...
Religious people are fine. Religious people on political offices are fine.

Batshit religious people aren't.

Batshit religious people, forcing their views and making them into laws in a nation where there are people from many religious and cultural backrounds, aren't fine, either.

djabner
11-06-2004, 04:22 PM
obviously the attack on 9/11 is ok with every one who is anti-bush i think 9/11 is a pretty good reason to kill terrorist who killed thousands of innocent people including my sister on 9/11 it wasnt bush's fault 9/11 happened it was the intellegence that let us down kerry would have never in a million years been a better president he probably have said fuck the usa and the soldiers who are risking there lives like he did during vietnam hes a traderor and its best that bush is re-elected i have brothers who are over in iraq with the marines and they voted for bush like i did they even knew kerry was not the right man for the job your all screaming we want peace blah blah blah but all i read on these forums are i hate this and i hate that blah blah blah what ever happened to peace?? if your going to move cuz bush was re elected why are you still here shut up and start packing move already you vulcan idiots and fuck micheal moore and his anti bush bull shit apparently no on cares about anything that comes out his stupid fat fuckin mouth go to canada already micheal you fuckin cocksmokin lil bitch

turb0negr0
11-06-2004, 04:45 PM
Oh and by the way....


http://victoryshirt.com/catalog/images/bushsucks.jpg

Unnatural Disaster
11-06-2004, 05:38 PM
obviously the attack on 9/11 is ok with every one who is anti-bush i think 9/11 is a pretty good reason to kill terrorist who killed thousands of innocent people including my sister on 9/11 it wasnt bush's fault 9/11 happened it was the intellegence that let us down kerry would have never in a million years been a better president he probably have said fuck the usa and the soldiers who are risking there lives like he did during vietnam hes a traderor and its best that bush is re-elected i have brothers who are over in iraq with the marines and they voted for bush like i did they even knew kerry was not the right man for the job your all screaming we want peace blah blah blah but all i read on these forums are i hate this and i hate that blah blah blah what ever happened to peace?? if your going to move cuz bush was re elected why are you still here shut up and start packing move already you vulcan idiots and fuck micheal moore and his anti bush bull shit apparently no on cares about anything that comes out his stupid fat fuckin mouth go to canada already micheal you fuckin cocksmokin lil bitch



But why are they in Iraq if Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11?

Betty
11-06-2004, 06:07 PM
I think part of the reason is because it is harbouring terrorists and supports terrorists? And therefore would be a step in the "war on terrorism". And the intelligence at the time said there were WMD, and if Bush didn't act and there WERE, then people would be pretty pissed.

I don't know, there are way too many conspiracy theories...

Unnatural Disaster
11-06-2004, 06:27 PM
But he was actually looking for the real threat, Osama Bin Laden, and then stopped/slowed down looking for him

killboybowerhead
11-06-2004, 06:44 PM
Nobody cares that we i helping the iraqi people... well Bush is my president and he is all of yours and you cant change that until another 4 years... where maybe Bush Sr. will run and win

Unnatural Disaster
11-06-2004, 07:04 PM
In 4 years Bush Sr. will be 84, much too old to run for president.

wheelchairman
11-07-2004, 03:55 AM
I think part of the reason is because it is harbouring terrorists and supports terrorists? And therefore would be a step in the "war on terrorism". And the intelligence at the time said there were WMD, and if Bush didn't act and there WERE, then people would be pretty pissed.

I don't know, there are way too many conspiracy theories...
I believe it's been (through the help of Whistleblowers) shown that most comprehensive reports were exaggerated by the President. Literally abusing his authority of being one of the few people who can read these reports.

Also it's been argued that the reports of cylinders in Iraq were flawed as well. Based on the theory of one man, who said that these cylinders could be used in nuclear weapons. (when most experts agreed they couldn't, and that they would be a huge step backwards from what Iraq used to use.)

Not Ozymandias
11-07-2004, 09:22 AM
obviously the attack on 9/11 is ok with every one who is anti-bush i think 9/11 is a pretty good reason to kill terrorist who killed thousands of innocent people including my sister on 9/11 it wasnt bush's fault 9/11 happened it was the intellegence that let us down kerry would have never in a million years been a better president he probably have said fuck the usa and the soldiers who are risking there lives like he did during vietnam hes a traderor and its best that bush is re-elected i have brothers who are over in iraq with the marines and they voted for bush like i did they even knew kerry was not the right man for the job your all screaming we want peace blah blah blah but all i read on these forums are i hate this and i hate that blah blah blah what ever happened to peace?? if your going to move cuz bush was re elected why are you still here shut up and start packing move already you vulcan idiots and fuck micheal moore and his anti bush bull shit apparently no on cares about anything that comes out his stupid fat fuckin mouth go to canada already micheal you fuckin cocksmokin lil bitch
False. Several of President Clinton's top counterterrorism people and the director of the CIA warned him that Bin Laden was going to strike in the US. He did NOTHING.

lousyskater
11-07-2004, 03:33 PM
obviously the attack on 9/11 is ok with every one who is anti-bush i think 9/11 is a pretty good reason to kill terrorist who killed thousands of innocent people including my sister on 9/11 i

so, it's ok to invade a country that had nothing to do with 9/11, get over 100,000 people killed in the proccess, and make the US look like a complete ass?
i can understand that you lost someone in the attacks, but that doesn't give the US the right to kill other people. tell me, are you against the death penalty? or for it? because this is no different, except inocent people are dying too because of us
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Strider
11-08-2004, 12:00 PM
Here in Brazil there are a lot of USA haters due to 9/11(that doesn't include me). Two planes strike down the WTC, and the US smashes Iraq to the ground in reply. This is quite disproportional. They should have punished only people responsible for planning the attack. They claimed that there were mass-destruction weapons depots in Iraq...and has anyone ever found them? All Bush wanted was to take control of the petrol reservations.
About death penalty...it is definitely an offense to us humans, but consider this: A criminal who was given live imprisonment, what does he think of? All he wants is to escape. Why? In order to start committing crimes again. If he refuses to rehabilitate, is there any reason for him to stay alive?

ValKittieDex
11-08-2004, 04:16 PM
bush sucks, i have the same opinion like ihatechrissneed
you`ve got the reason....BUSH SUCKSSSS....

SpongeBob
11-08-2004, 05:22 PM
How can we discard the fact the man isn't intelligent enough to string together a single sentence in correct english?

FACT: Bush is a moron.

And of course, let's not forget that he's a liar. Sure, all politicians lie. But at least Clinton's lies didn't kill thousands of innocent lives.

And the idiot was re-elected, so now it's "our" war, instead of Bush's war, because we re-elected the wanker. Well it's fucking not MY war, which is precisly why I am moving my ass to France next year. :mad:

malumboman
11-08-2004, 07:29 PM
Dubya really has done a lot for this country. Nobody can blame the economy on him, considering hes experienced the second worst economic catastrophe in our country's history (9-11). Also, don't compare the US casualties in the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan to Vietnam- that's completely ignorant. Finally, more people were killed on Sept 11 than the war in Iraq, and almost 3 times as many Israelis have been killed by terrorists than our military casualties. In fact, add 9-11 and our military deaths, and the intifada still beats it. So, aren't you glad Bush is still here for 4 more years?

wheelchairman
11-08-2004, 10:33 PM
Wow you're an idiot.

Bush has done nothing to alleviate the economic problem though.

Although I liked how you referred to 9/11 as merely an economic catastrophe.

There were about what? 3000 Americans killed on 9/11 right? I believe that the death count for civilian Iraqi's lies around 12,000 now. But of course only American lives matter to you don't they?

Since 2000 there have been 1500 Israelis killed by the resistance in Palestine, on the other hand about 3500 Palestinians have died by Israel forces.

Your ignorance and propaganda is showing.

lousyskater
11-08-2004, 10:46 PM
Also, don't compare the US casualties in the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan to Vietnam why not? they're both wars. people died in both wars. both wars are bullshit, so why not compare them? sure, the Vietnam war had more casualties then the war in Iraq has had so far, but the Iraq war isn't over and more people are going to die.
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JoY
11-09-2004, 06:33 AM
let's end this discussion with saying America is lost & doomed anyway. Kerry is much smarter than Bush & would've abused his knowledge & intelligence for America's downfall. Bush is outright dumb & won't accomplish anything as a president. how on earth you there in America ever managed to make that goofcake president again, will be a mystery to me till the end of time. if your voters really think they've done their country any good by choosing the candidats they've chosen, then I think it's appropriate to say "God bless America... if it helps".

FoodForThought
11-09-2004, 04:32 PM
i hate politcs. what the fuck am i doing in this forum!?

LostMind
11-14-2004, 12:17 AM
me and green terror (aka the first behaeaded) HATE BUSH!!!!!!!! FOREVER!!!!!!!

charlesadude
11-14-2004, 10:48 PM
Wow you're an idiot.

I believe that the death count for civilian Iraqi's lies around 12,000 now. But of course only American lives matter to you don't they?

Your ignorance and propaganda is showing.

Wow wheelchair man your ignorance has sunk to new lows. It is a simple fact that the pentagon can't release enemy body counts or civilian wounded or dead durring ANY war since vietnam. Its a law look it up. So it apears that you are the one that is falling for the propoganda.

lousyskater
11-15-2004, 01:08 AM
feel free to explore this site: http://www.iraqbodycount.net/database/

there have been at least 14378 civilian deaths, but it's possible 16514 civilians have died since the war began.
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wheelchairman
11-15-2004, 08:30 AM
Yes, because the American military's estimates on civilian body count in a war that they started, would be so fucking reliable.

malumboman
11-15-2004, 07:24 PM
i hate bush! women should shave... oh, wait, the prez? i love him.

malumboman
11-15-2004, 07:34 PM
we lost more americans on 9-11 than we have in iraq

malumboman
11-15-2004, 07:50 PM
first, i never said 911 was just an economic catastrophe, although it did hurt the economy. second, when i said dont compare iraq to vietnam, i was being sarcastic, idiot. do compare the casualties. then you will see there is no comparison between the wars' brutality, dumbass.

malumboman
11-15-2004, 07:53 PM
Wow you're an idiot.

Bush has done nothing to alleviate the economic problem though.

Although I liked how you referred to 9/11 as merely an economic catastrophe.

There were about what? 3000 Americans killed on 9/11 right? I believe that the death count for civilian Iraqi's lies around 12,000 now. But of course only American lives matter to you don't they?

Since 2000 there have been 1500 Israelis killed by the resistance in Palestine, on the other hand about 3500 Palestinians have died by Israel forces.

Your ignorance and propaganda is showing.

who said anything about isreal? goddam, you think you are so smart. oh, and nice hat, fag.

DrGonzo
11-15-2004, 10:21 PM
Yes, I am not ashamed to say that I back our President. I don't feel like arguing politics anymore though. I feel like that's the only topic of conversation anymore. I would suggest checking out the Libertarian Party. Their website is LP.org.

wheelchairman
11-15-2004, 10:27 PM
If you don't want to argue politics, then why are you here?

DrGonzo
11-15-2004, 10:29 PM
I dunno, I guess I find it interesting, even though it is tiresome. Know what I mean?

wheelchairman
11-15-2004, 10:32 PM
Yes, I think everyone has the same opinion on politics. Or at least many people do. However discussing is a healthy political practice. At least in my opinion. However, I must go offline now anyways.

lousyskater
11-15-2004, 10:50 PM
yeah, i'm not a big fan of politics myself, but i love to discuss it.
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DrGonzo
11-15-2004, 10:55 PM
The thing is, most all of my friends are very liberal, and I'm well, not. But for fucks sake man, we still get along. In fact, we're almost exactly alike. The only thing that divides us is politics.

malumboman
11-18-2004, 04:05 PM
liberals are all going to hell. you need to tell your so called friends that!

lousyskater
11-18-2004, 07:26 PM
liberals are all going to hell. you need to tell your so called friends that!

YAY! i'm going to hell! along with more than 3/4ths of the world! man i love scare tactics. it's fun to watch people trying to scare you into doing something that the otherr person wants.
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malumboman
11-18-2004, 07:42 PM
you are going to eternally burn for questioning me!

lousyskater
11-18-2004, 08:26 PM
w00t!!!!!!! i like fire anyways. i've burned myself manytimes so oh well.
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Not Ozymandias
11-20-2004, 08:46 PM
first, i never said 911 was just an economic catastrophe, although it did hurt the economy.
That would be a valid excuse had George Bush's Idiot Son not pissed away the ENTIRE record surplus. President Clinton inherited a horrific record deficit. F. Roosevelt inherited a motherfucking Depression. Dumbass has been in office too long to be able to blame the shitass economy on anything but his own financial illiteracy.

But thanks for playing.

number70
12-12-2004, 03:23 AM
i absolutely hate him, he's got to be the thickest president the world has ever seen, blam him.