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willtodeath
08-14-2005, 08:29 PM
I'v often wondered this....these people i see on the bb's or forum as it is now known, Joined - august 2004....posts - 6,545.
Sorry, really i am...what the fuck do you do all day??? Is the real world just an odd thing to you? You may try and defend this...(...cuz i know you will) but do any of you have sex (if you do) and when you finish...check the bb's for an update on an argument you where havin on which bass line is best...or what top dexter wore on the entire warped tour was the coolist.
Come on dudes...really...you need to get out...maybe do some LSD or some mushrooms, even if you end up lying in a gibbering wreak at the bottom of your garden, go out for a few days and stop living your lives' on a bands forum.

There we are, I'm off for a ciggarilllllllio, anyone want one?
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The_Hombre
08-14-2005, 08:36 PM
Haha! Don't be sorry man. Lets assume for one moment you are talking about people on here who should know better (I think I read a post on here that the majority of bbs'ers here are aged 12 -16 or something).

It's actually quite sad to think that they spend the majority of their day online. Some people on here, I'll admit, work with computers so they're let off the hook :) We can excuse kids because, well, what else they gonna do? Stand around street corners? They're better off on the computer.

Everyone else, get down the pub and meet people. I'm not saying if you spend most of your time online you won't have a social life, but it can't do it any favours.

ThrashedThrasher
08-14-2005, 09:20 PM
I don't spend half as much time on here as I used to but I'm on the computer generally 8-9 hours a day 7 days a week and I have a perfectly fine social life off the internet.

wheelchairman
08-14-2005, 09:31 PM
oh Willtodeath, you may act tough, but I'd be willing to bet that you're a virgin.

JohnnyNemesis
08-14-2005, 09:45 PM
So, your argument, is that we should get out more, and be social, and do LSD?!

Fucking hell, you could have at least chosen a more social drug like weed.

Oh, and I'm with wheelchairman. We all see through your facade and know that you're a pathetic virgin.

Betty
08-14-2005, 09:56 PM
Weed? Social? In a relative sense, I suppose.

I think my thoughts about this thread are summed up in my signature. Good luck.

JohnnyNemesis
08-14-2005, 09:59 PM
"more social", not just "social". So yes, in a relative sense, totally, but not exclusively.

Tizzalicious
08-15-2005, 01:44 AM
Hahaha.

We have cybersex of course.

:rolleyes:

kickass0987654321
08-15-2005, 01:48 AM
Will to death, I think it is being at least a little social by talking online with people from all over the world. Don't you agree?

JoY
08-15-2005, 02:28 AM
we all cyber together, like Tizz said, lolz.

I'd say I kind of have a social life outside this bbs. I study medicine, I'm a member of the biggest fraternity/sorority in the country, I'm in an awesome studentgroup with thirty other girls, I'm the first violiniste & musical leader of a gypsy band, I live in a studenthouse with four roommates, one of them being my boyfriend, with who I've been together for a year now. I get laid approximately three times a day, when he's around.

& I'd say LSD & mushrooms couldn't possibly improve someone's off-internet-life, as it actually takes you away from reality.

RXP
08-15-2005, 03:41 AM
I've had sex one time! And I have lots of posts! Your thoery is wrong.

Seriously tho, you can be a fuckin geek and get laid. And most of the top posters on here are attractive. The only ones that don't get laid are like 14-15-16 they will sooner or later. The hotties who haven't got laid yet could easily get the lay on but they dont' want to yet.

Jesus
08-15-2005, 04:14 AM
I'v often wondered this....these people i see on the bb's or forum as it is now known, Joined - august 2004....

You see people that joined in august 2004? Crazy! You must live in some alternative reality. Although the overuse of dots sort of gave it away.

Tizzalicious
08-15-2005, 04:16 AM
You see people that joined in august 2004? Crazy! You must live in some alternative reality. Although the overuse of dots sort of gave it away.

Stop making us look more pathetic than we already are!

Sin Studly
08-15-2005, 04:24 AM
willtodeath is a total badass who just tried drugs and/or got laid for the first time and now wants to brag about it and feel superior to others. Let's all line up to suck his dick.

RXP
08-15-2005, 04:29 AM
Is he Steven Shaw II?

Mentally_Challenged
08-15-2005, 04:37 AM
I don't spend half as much time on here as I used to but I'm on the computer generally 8-9 hours a day 7 days a week and I have a perfectly fine social life off the internet.

Sounds pretty much like me =P I do actually try and get outside whenever possible. Shock, horror...

sKratch
08-15-2005, 10:38 AM
Haha! Don't be sorry man. Lets assume for one moment you are talking about people on here who should know better (I think I read a post on here that the majority of bbs'ers here are aged 12 -16 or something).

It's actually quite sad to think that they spend the majority of their day online. Some people on here, I'll admit, work with computers so they're let off the hook :) We can excuse kids because, well, what else they gonna do? Stand around street corners? They're better off on the computer.

Everyone else, get down the pub and meet people. I'm not saying if you spend most of your time online you won't have a social life, but it can't do it any favours.

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The funny thing is, you spend more time than me on here.

the_GoDdEsS
08-15-2005, 10:53 AM
Ha, especially if you look at his posts seeing that he was online all night long his time to reply to us.

ThrashedThrasher
08-15-2005, 11:17 AM
I've had sex one time! And I have lots of posts! Your thoery is wrong.

Seriously tho, you can be a fuckin geek and get laid. And most of the top posters on here are attractive. The only ones that don't get laid are like 14-15-16 they will sooner or later. The hotties who haven't got laid yet could easily get the lay on but they dont' want to yet.

Jesus your typing skills were shite in this post. Being a geek and getting laid depends...if you're somewhat attractive and a geek, fine you can get laid if you're ugly then you're either fucking an obese fat chick (that could most likely squish you or suffocate you with her tits) OR you're tricking a mentally challenged chick into taking her clothes off and such and such.

The hotties that haven't gotten laid yet are usually too smart to be doing that shit or they're just being bitches towards boyfriends/girlfriends.

Normally (at least where I'm from) the 14-15-16 year olds that Don't get laid are either ugly or really fucking stupid and immature, or they're bible thumpers therefore they think it's bad *rolls eyes* then of course there are the people at my school (specifically the moronic preps) that get raped for being stupid.

Tizzalicious
08-15-2005, 11:19 AM
Normally (at least where I'm from) the 14-15-16 year olds that Don't get laid are either ugly or really fucking stupid and immature, or they're bible thumpers therefore they think it's bad *rolls eyes* then of course there are the people at my school (specifically the moronic preps) that get raped for being stupid.

That's just stupid. Ever heard of just not being ready? I mean...14?????

HornyPope
08-15-2005, 11:24 AM
Heh if only he knew some of us have been posting here for over 5 years and collected some 20 000 posts, if not more.

Vera
08-15-2005, 11:29 AM
Get raped for being stupid?!

Holy fuck, TrashedTrasher, you just lost the very last ounce of any respect I had left for you.

willtodeath
08-15-2005, 11:41 AM
Sin Study--willtodeath is a total badass who just tried drugs and/or got laid for the first time and now wants to brag about it and feel superior to others. Let's all line up to suck his dick--

Ok, i'm waiting...good head btw. Best i'v had in months! :eek:
But i have to agree with you, if i did want to feel superior i would have bragged about how i just got laid, and took some drugs, then again if i had what the fuck would i be doing on here bragging about it. Wouldn't i be still trippin' about playing with bits of grass, making flower chains and have mad l sex under haystacks with my wife.
No, i agree with you. I'd shower down, put on a 'robe' and sit down and put my latest sexual escapade on internet forums, to fuel my huge ego.
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TheUnholyNightbringer
08-15-2005, 11:49 AM
Normally (at least where I'm from) the 14-15-16 year olds that Don't get laid are either ugly or really fucking stupid and immature, or they're bible thumpers therefore they think it's bad *rolls eyes* then of course there are the people at my school (specifically the moronic preps) that get raped for being stupid.

You're a complete fucking idiot.

To rack up a pretty high amount of posts from August, you'd have to post, what, 20 posts day, maybe? You can easily do that in an hour. Easily.

Rag Doll
08-15-2005, 11:58 AM
wow, TT.....that was...ah.....really ignorant. The whole post was really ignorant. =\

ThrashedThrasher
08-15-2005, 12:19 PM
Get raped for being stupid?!

Holy fuck, TrashedTrasher, you just lost the very last ounce of any respect I had left for you.

I feel that if you're going to go out with a bunch of guys that are known for being asses like that and yet you still go with them and you get wasted and they go to fuck you, it's your own damn fault. Especially when you lead them on like those fucking sluts.

the_GoDdEsS
08-15-2005, 12:28 PM
The BBS these days just makes me wanna piss myself laughing. What the fuck is up with all those people? Hahaha.

Vera
08-15-2005, 01:07 PM
God, how many fucking times do we need to have this argument on these boards?

Wearing a miniskirt or otherwise "dressing sluttily" does not equal saying, "Plz fuck me by force!". Dating guys who're assholes does not equal wanting to get raped.

Even if a girl is fucking naked and passed out, it's STILL A RAPE and it's still WRONG. Nobody *deserves* to get raped and no girl should ever be accused of "asking to get raped" because it's not a decision she makes, it's the one the rapist makes.

There is a thing called common sense and it's best not to be around dangerous areas drunk and unescorted but still. No rape victim is ever at fault.

sKratch
08-15-2005, 01:47 PM
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ThrashedThrasher
08-15-2005, 01:52 PM
God, how many fucking times do we need to have this argument on these boards?

Wearing a miniskirt or otherwise "dressing sluttily" does not equal saying, "Plz fuck me by force!". Dating guys who're assholes does not equal wanting to get raped.

Even if a girl is fucking naked and passed out, it's STILL A RAPE and it's still WRONG. Nobody *deserves* to get raped and no girl should ever be accused of "asking to get raped" because it's not a decision she makes, it's the one the rapist makes.

There is a thing called common sense and it's best not to be around dangerous areas drunk and unescorted but still. No rape victim is ever at fault.

In your opinion. Not my problem that the chicks here don't seem to get it through their heads that if they don't want to risk the fact that there are guys out there that will rape them then maybe they shouldn't be around them. There's a chick that's in the same grade as me, she's 13 and she's obviously not the brightest person in the world considering she's been raped twice by the same person. It happened once and she STILL chose to fucking hang around him. Those that are prone to get raped more than once because of their own actions of being stupid fucking deserve it.

sKratch
08-15-2005, 01:54 PM
I'm a little iffy about your use of the word rape...

Sunny
08-15-2005, 02:24 PM
that get raped for being stupid.


oh, oh.

no one ever deserves to get raped or molested. even if the victim was dressed in a provocative way, or was drunk, or whatever.... really, it's no excuse. rape is a violation, no matter what the circumstances. people should be able to wear whatever the fuck they want or go wherever the fuck they want without having to worry about being raped and being told that they "asked for it".

they never really "ask for it", trust me. and victim blaming is just.. fucked up. beyond fucked up. to me, such logic is the same as hearing an abusive husband say "she had it coming, the bitch just wouldn't shut up".

The_Hombre
08-15-2005, 02:28 PM
In your opinion. Not my problem that the chicks here don't seem to get it through their heads that if they don't want to risk the fact that there are guys out there that will rape them then maybe they shouldn't be around them. There's a chick that's in the same grade as me, she's 13 and she's obviously not the brightest person in the world considering she's been raped twice by the same person. It happened once and she STILL chose to fucking hang around him. Those that are prone to get raped more than once because of their own actions of being stupid fucking deserve it.

You've got a lot of growing up to do dude.

Please, say that to the wrong person. Then come back and tell us how long it took for the doctors to get the bottle out of your neck.

Conspiracy of One
08-15-2005, 02:28 PM
Exactly noone deserves that..........but society is fucked so.........that's why it happens

Sunny
08-15-2005, 02:34 PM
Yeah, you know your society is REALLY fucked up when 14 year old girls try to justify rape and make it sound acceptable.

Rag Doll
08-15-2005, 02:36 PM
TT....how do you explain all the 70 year old women that get raped by 20 year old men then? Were they hanging around the wrong guys? Were they sluts? Did they do something fucking stupid to deserve it?

And rape is about power, not sexual attraction, so clothes or "slutty" behavior is not going to cause someone to rape.

wheelchairman
08-15-2005, 02:45 PM
It doesn't matter. What TT is justifying, is something far worse than rape. It's taking part in the active convincing of telling victims that they are too blame for being victims. Which is disgusting no matter the crime.

RXP
08-15-2005, 02:52 PM
I feel that if you're going to go out with a bunch of guys that are known for being asses like that and yet you still go with them and you get wasted and they go to fuck you, it's your own damn fault. Especially when you lead them on like those fucking sluts.

I generally agree. Well said!

RXP
08-15-2005, 02:56 PM
How are you people defining rape? At least in England and Wales it's a lame ass legal definition. Legal rape isn't rape in the true sense. It's fucking bull shit. I'm guessing you mean true rape not bull shit rape where the girl can mess a guy around, have sex with him but not truly give her 'free agreement' so it's rape.

No one deserves to be raped. But I'm thinking the awful brutal rapes. I'm not talking about when a girls leading a guy on and she had to have sex with him. She shouldn't do that in the first place. I have every sympathy with a true rape victim but not these lame ass girls. If the guy holds her down, that's crossing the line.

JohnnyNemesis
08-15-2005, 02:56 PM
I think I'm going to get my ski mask, break into ThrashedThrasher's house, and steal all her shit. Then I'm going to blame her and her family for having such a nice looking place.

Hey, they deserved it.

Rag Doll
08-15-2005, 02:57 PM
I'm not talking about when a girls leading a guy on and she had to have sex with him.

No one ever *has* to have sex with anyone.

HornyPope
08-15-2005, 03:01 PM
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Irrelevant? Dont care.

JohnnyNemesis
08-15-2005, 03:01 PM
I think I'm going to get my ski mask, break into ThrashedThrasher's house, and steal all her shit. Then I'm going to blame her and her family for having such a nice looking place.

Hey, they deserved it.

Just like to add to this that any and all women in the house wearing anything but turtlenecks and full black body suits will be raped. Repeatedly. I'm sorry, I have no choice.

Sunny
08-15-2005, 03:01 PM
How are you people defining rape? At least in England and Wales it's a lame ass legal definition. Legal rape isn't rape in the true sense. It's fucking bull shit. I'm guessing you mean true rape not bull shit rape where the girl can mess a guy around, have sex with him but not truly give her 'free agreement' so it's rape.

No one deserves to be raped. But I'm thinking the awful brutal rapes. I'm not talking about when a girls leading a guy on and she had to have sex with him. She shouldn't do that in the first place. I have every sympathy with a true rape victim but not these lame ass girls. If the guy holds her down, that's crossing the line.

See, the way I see it, if two people choose to mess around with each other, they should have enough kindness/respect for each other so that when one says "no" or "stop", the other one says "ok".

how do you feel about marital rape? from what i've heard, it's actually quite common.

HornyPope
08-15-2005, 03:02 PM
Just like to add to this that any and all women in the house wearing anything but turtlenecks and full black body suits will be raped. Repeatedly. I'm sorry, I have no choice.

... only women?

RXP
08-15-2005, 03:03 PM
Yes they do, if a girl leads a guy on to the nth degree she shoudln't whine about being 'emotionally' coerced into sex or being intoxicated and having sex not knowing what she was doing. She shoudln't be doing it in the first place. Further when women do the same thing it's only seen as a minor sexual assult: not rape.

It's like going up to a big black man and saying "niggers are stupid" and getting assaulted by him for that crack. It's just so fuckin obvious it's gonna happen - dont' do it. Just obvious.

I'm not getting on true rape victims, I'm getting on the stupid girls who hang roudn with the wrong crowd (and they know this!) and get coerced into things. Jesus get some new friends, hang roudn with the geeky kids! but no no they wanna be cool and stuff.

Homer
08-15-2005, 03:03 PM
hey, your not cool until you have sex at the age of 14.

JohnnyNemesis
08-15-2005, 03:05 PM
... only women?

Of course! Women are to blame for everything, especially their own rape. None of this applies to men, only stupid stupid women who deserve to get raped cause they all deserve to get raped.

Yuh huh.

Conspiracy of One
08-15-2005, 03:06 PM
Of course! Women are to blame for everything, especially their own rape. None of this applies to men, only stupid stupid women who deserve to get raped cause they all deserve to get raped.

Yuh huh.
Word

Too short......

RXP
08-15-2005, 03:07 PM
how do you feel about marital rape? from what i've heard, it's actually quite common.

Define rape for me Sunny. The legal view here is that if a woman doesn't give her 'free argeement' that any intercourse with her is rape. So if a woman is tired in a marriage and doesn't really feel like it but she's afraid that the husband might go elsewhere and has sex with him becuase of htat fear, that is rape because there is no free argreement. At least from my understanding.

Martial rape like this isn't rape, it's give and take. Just like say the guy having to do some DIY cause she's nagging or the guy having to have sex when he doesn't feel like it.

And I'd blame the woman anyway, she shoudl dump that bastard and get a nice guy who treats her right.

My main problem is girls who are young hanging aroudn the wrong guys when they could hang aroudn with perfectly nice guys who don't rape girls but aren't in the 'cool' crowd. Maybe it's personal bias coming in here. It prolly is.

Rag Doll
08-15-2005, 03:08 PM
Yes they do, if a girl leads a guy on to the nth degree she shoudln't whine about being 'emotionally' coerced into sex or being intoxicated and having sex not knowing what she was doing. She shoudln't be doing it in the first place. Further when women do the same thing it's only seen as a minor sexual assult: not rape.

No they don't. No one ever has to have sex, no matter what. If someone, male or female, decides they don't want to and makes that known, it has to stop or else it is RAPE. And no one deserves that. Whether the person decides over dinner, while they're kissing, while they're engaging in oral sex, or even once actual intercourse has begun....it has to stop. And actually, it is seen as rape (legally), it's just harder to get a conviction, since the common thought is "he enjoyed it".


It's like going up to a big black man and saying "niggers are stupid" and getting assaulted by him for that crack. It's just so fuckin obvious it's gonna happen - dont' do it. Just obvious.

The two are nothing alike.


I'm not getting on true rape victims

So...some people are only fake raped?

JohnnyNemesis
08-15-2005, 03:11 PM
Word

For the love of...please tell me you realize I wasn't serious.



And I'd blame the woman anyway, she shoudl dump that bastard and get a nice guy who treats her right.

I still don't see how that's the woman's fault. Dumping your spouse, under any circumstances is never easy. Getting a nice guy who treats her right? Equally difficult. There are way too many emotions at work here, and it seems like you're not taking that into account just yet.

Conspiracy of One
08-15-2005, 03:12 PM
For the love of...please tell me you realize I wasn't serious.


Really?! Ooops. No of course i knew you were joking........IM not as stupid as EROS ya know. :rolleyes:

RXP
08-15-2005, 03:13 PM
And actually, it is seen as rape (legally), it's just harder to get a conviction, since the common thought is "he enjoyed it".



In England and Wales a woman cannot rape a man. Yet the feminists have been whining about rape laws for years yet they don't make this point.



So...some people are only fake raped?

No they are coerced into sex. It's a totally different degree. It's stupid to call it rape. Even some feminists are against the wide definitions because it takes away from the true horrors of violent or even non violent but far more disturbing rape. It's about fair labelling a principle upheld in ALL other aspects of the criminal law. Maybe a minor sexual assault would be a better term - not rape.

It's just NOT rape in my book that some teenage slut has sex with her boyfriend and just when he's about to finish she;s like "eewww get out". Fuck that shit.

RXP
08-15-2005, 03:14 PM
I still don't see how that's the woman's fault. Dumping your spouse, under any circumstances is never easy. Getting a nice guy who treats her right? Equally difficult. There are way too many emotions at work here, and it seems like you're not taking that into account just yet.

Well it's an easy way to solve the problem: dump your rapist husband. Stop taking martial rape and dump the dick and find someone nice. And oh please as if it's hard to find someone who doesn't fuckin rape you.

Sunny
08-15-2005, 03:15 PM
Define rape for me Sunny. The legal view here is that if a woman doesn't give her 'free argeement' that any intercourse with her is rape. So if a woman is tired in a marriage and doesn't really feel like it but she's afraid that the husband might go elsewhere and has sex with him becuase of htat fear, that is rape because there is no free argreement. At least from my understanding.

Martial rape like this isn't rape, it's give and take. Just like say the guy having to do some DIY cause she's nagging or the guy having to have sex when he doesn't feel like it.



to me, rape occurs when the woman either cannot give consent (intoxicated, passed out, etc) or consciously refuses to give consent. or has to agree to have sex under the threat of violence.

the case you described (the woman being tired of her husband, yet having sex with him so he doesnt go and cheat on her) doesn't sound like rape to me. it's not the best reason to have sex with your husband... but if she consciously decided that she wants to do it, then... i don't know.

by marital rape i meant when one of the partners doesn't feel like it and says no.... and the other partner proceeds anyway.

RXP
08-15-2005, 03:20 PM
Oh of course that's completely wrong. I'd say the guy deserves to be prosecuted for that. To do that to someone you love makes it even worse.

Rag Doll
08-15-2005, 03:20 PM
In England and Wales a woman cannot rape a man. Yet the feminists have been whining about rape laws for years yet they don't make this point.

hm. Maybe there, but I know you can be charged with it here. It's just insanely difficult for someone to get convicted.




No they are coerced into sex. It's a totally different degree. It's stupid to call it rape.........Maybe a minor sexual assault would be a better term - not rape.

Well, you shouldn't be coercing someone into sex. If they don't want to, then they don't want to. It's a no. And then it's rape. I mean, I can see what you're saying, I just completely disagree with you. And I don't think it (what you're describing) is a "minor sexual assault"....at all.


It's just NOT rape in my book that some teenage slut has sex with her boyfriend and just when he's about to finish she;s like "eewww get out". Fuck that shit.

Ah, telling him to pull out isn't claiming rape. And for someone to cry *rape* after the act is over, if they consented the entire time...well, that's horrible. Not only because it can ruin someone's life, but it makes it harder for people to believe people that actually were raped. I'm not talking about people that are all "give it to me" the whole time and 2 days later decide it wasn't what they wanted.

Sunny
08-15-2005, 03:21 PM
Well it's an easy way to solve the problem: dump your rapist husband. Stop taking martial rape and dump the dick and find someone nice. And oh please as if it's hard to find someone who doesn't fuckin rape you.

dude, i'd imagine that when you MARRY someone, you don't expect them to rape you... so, when it happens, it's a huge shock and obviously a very traumatic experience. some women have trouble reporting stranger rape because they feel ashamed/guilty... imagine how hard it could be if the rapist is actually your HUSBAND.

you can't just tell a domestic abuse victim to "get up and leave". i don't think it's that easy, seeing as domestic violence is usually combined with emotional abuse/threats.. and it's known to destroy the victim's self esteem and sense of independence.

Sunny
08-15-2005, 03:22 PM
Oh of course that's completely wrong. I'd say the guy deserves to be prosecuted for that. To do that to someone you love makes it even worse.

....exactly.

~*hit_that*~
08-15-2005, 03:23 PM
Haha! Don't be sorry man. Lets assume for one moment you are talking about people on here who should know better (I think I read a post on here that the majority of bbs'ers here are aged 12 -16 or something).

It's actually quite sad to think that they spend the majority of their day online. Some people on here, I'll admit, work with computers so they're let off the hook :) We can excuse kids because, well, what else they gonna do? Stand around street corners? They're better off on the computer.

Everyone else, get down the pub and meet people. I'm not saying if you spend most of your time online you won't have a social life, but it can't do it any favours.

hahaha, some people may spend so much time online that they dont want to meet new people, incase they arent like their online friends lmao!!! :P

-- ok random thought of the day :P

JohnnyNemesis
08-15-2005, 03:23 PM
Exactly, Sunny. I agree 100%.

Let's not forget that there are also those who have children, and that complicates things. Some women give their husbands more chances than they should because they want to maintain a sense of family, don't want to turn their kids worlds upside down, etc.

RXP
08-15-2005, 03:24 PM
I see what your saying but there needs to be fair labelling. In society rapists are worse than murders. To label someone raping some drunk teenage girl who was leading the guy on is stupid when you label a brutal rape where a woman is beaten nearly to death and raped.

There needs to be fair labelling and it's not present in rape.

And the very fact that female rape is extremely hard to prosecute is evidence that it's one thing for women and another for men.

I'm just trying to put myself in that position, if I WAS drunk and the girl WAS drunk but she started to say no but I was so wasted I'd done the deed anyway I can't see that as rape. I know voultantary intoxication is never a mitigation at law but I feel it needs to be in cases like this. But if I was completely sober and knew she was wasted I'd call it a sexual assault not rape.

RXP
08-15-2005, 03:26 PM
Let's not forget that there are also those who have children, and that complicates things. Some women give their husbands more chances than they should because they want to maintain a sense of family, don't want to turn their kids worlds upside down, etc.

Yeah but what do they want to happen then? I mean he'll continue raping her. What do they want? The law to intervene? Then he'll go to prison and the family will be broken up. It's not magically gonna disapper. I know it's a hard choice to make but the decision's gotta be made. And the right decision is to get outta there and get custody of your kids. In all honesty men like this enrage me greatly. I mean they have everything and treat her like that.

The Darkside Has Cookies
08-15-2005, 03:26 PM
Yep,we BBS junkies get laid day and night,dark or bright,heavy and light,cause we got the right,to party.Hardy hardy.

RXP
08-15-2005, 03:29 PM
you can't just tell a domestic abuse victim to "get up and leave". i don't think it's that easy, seeing as domestic violence is usually combined with emotional abuse/threats.. and it's known to destroy the victim's self esteem and sense of independence.

I agree, but maybe the rapist was raped when he was a kid. That's why he's abusive now. The line has to be drawn somewhere. I'm a determinlist and don't believe in free will anyway. But it simply has to be drawn somewhere. When it keeps on happeing it's tragic but it's both parties faults. The abuser because of his past and the abused cause she/he doens't do anything. It's a tragic circle.

Sunny
08-15-2005, 03:31 PM
I'm just trying to put myself in that position, if I WAS drunk and the girl WAS drunk but she started to say no but I was so wasted I'd done the deed anyway I can't see that as rape. I know voultantary intoxication is never a mitigation at law but I feel it needs to be in cases like this.

logically, i understand what you're saying, because if you're trashed out of your mind your sense of judgement is affected. it still doesn't make it right, though. now think of the possibilities of abusing such a law, if it passed. i mean, you'd have rapists claim they were intoxicated and didn't know what they were doing all the fucking time.... and it could be hard to prove them otherwise.

ThrashedThrasher
08-15-2005, 03:35 PM
I think I'm going to get my ski mask, break into ThrashedThrasher's house, and steal all her shit. Then I'm going to blame her and her family for having such a nice looking place.

Hey, they deserved it.


Ah, be my guest. My room consists of a bed, a tv, a dvd player, a broken X-Box and a Sony stereo along with a fuckload of CDs. I live in a fucking trailer dude.


You've got a lot of growing up to do dude.
Please, say that to the wrong person. Then come back and tell us how long it took for the doctors to get the bottle out of your neck.

:D I have my opinion whether you people thinks it's fucked up or not.


Yeah, you know your society is REALLY fucked up when 14 year old girls try to justify rape and make it sound acceptable.

Are you really that thickheaded? I didn't say nor try to imply trying to make it sound acceptable. Sure rape is a bad thing but for those who play games with guys that don't tolerate shit like that and the dude snaps and decides to rape 'em then too bad. They shouldn't have fucking played games.



TT....how do you explain all the 70 year old women that get raped by 20 year old men then? Were they hanging around the wrong guys? Were they sluts? Did they do something fucking stupid to deserve it?

That's a different story though, people like that are usually fucked in the head.

Let me rephrase all the shit I have said in this thread :

I believe it is the victim's fault if they end up getting raped only when they are leading some guy on and playing games and expecting him to NOT want sex. If you're really that dumb maybe you deserve a little life long emotional fucking trauma, it'll serve you right.

Sunny
08-15-2005, 03:37 PM
I agree, but maybe the rapist was raped when he was a kid. That's why he's abusive now. The line has to be drawn somewhere. I'm a determinlist and don't believe in free will anyway. But it simply has to be drawn somewhere. When it keeps on happeing it's tragic but it's both parties faults. The abuser because of his past and the abused cause she/he doens't do anything. It's a tragic circle.

the problem with that is... a lot of the time, the abuser isolates the victim and destroys their support network by separating them from their family and friends. also, what if the victim is financially dependent on the abuser and has no place to go?
what about the abuser threatening to kill the victim if they notify the police?

i just don't think it's ok to say "well, she should've just left". he shouldn't have abused her in the first place. to me, victim blaming always makes it seem like the abuse is somehow ok. which it is, simply, not.

and i agree, it's a very tragic circle of hurt, and a difficult one to break.

RXP
08-15-2005, 03:39 PM
logically, i understand what you're saying, because if you're trashed out of your mind your sense of judgement is affected. it still doesn't make it right, though. now think of the possibilities of abusing such a law, if it passed. i mean, you'd have rapists claim they were intoxicated and didn't know what they were doing all the fucking time.... and it could be hard to prove them otherwise.

Yeah it woudl be open to abuse. But do I deserve to be labled a rapist and raped myself in prison and take brutal beatings daily? No of course not. If she wasn't such a slut I woudln't have had my life ruined.

And ThrashedThrasher I totally agree with what you wrote in bold.

Homer
08-15-2005, 03:40 PM
Let me rephrase all the shit I have said in this thread :

I believe it is the victim's fault if they end up getting raped only when they are leading some guy on and playing games and expecting him to NOT want sex. If you're really that dumb maybe you deserve a little life long emotional fucking trauma, it'll serve you right.

again, that's still stupid. Maybe the 'games' are to get into a relationship, or to have a 'good time'. I don't think that they would expect rape. If they experience trauma, then they weren't expecting it, which would then classify as rape. You can't tell a person to rape you, because then it wouldn't be classified as it.

Sunny
08-15-2005, 03:42 PM
Are you really that thickheaded? I didn't say nor try to imply trying to make it sound acceptable.


yes, yes you did. see below.



I believe it is the victim's fault if they end up getting raped only when they are leading some guy on and playing games and expecting him to NOT want sex. If you're really that dumb maybe you deserve a little life long emotional fucking trauma, it'll serve you right.

you're saying that it's ok to rape someone under certain circumstances, because they "deserve it". come the hell on.

RXP
08-15-2005, 03:44 PM
the problem with that is... a lot of the time, the abuser isolates the victim and destroys their support network by separating them from their family and friends. also, what if the victim is financially dependent on the abuser and has no place to go?
what about the abuser threatening to kill the victim if they notify the police?


Yeah this complicates things somewhat. I was just thinking of a guy raping and abusing a woman.



and i agree, it's a very tragic circle of hurt, and a difficult one to

Yups, I always use pedophiles as an example. I mean to me both the abuser and the victim is tragic. I mean why the hell would you want to do such things to kids? To even be sexually attracted to them. And then obviously you feel empathy with the abused. I just tend to think society doesn't look at both sides on the whole. I honestly feel real empathy with messed up abusers and I guess this isolates me because most people woudl think of me as 'evil' for doing so.

But in the cases I've cited like a stupid drunk girl it's not blaming the victim, it's having common sense. In the marital rape case I guess what I've said is blaiming the victim but I dunno. It's just that circle.

Rag Doll
08-15-2005, 03:44 PM
I get what you're saying, RXP, with being drunk and all...but like Sunny said, it would totally be abused. It is one thing for men and another for women...but that's just how it is for everything, unfortunately (that doesn't excuse it, but it's no different than most things...but let's not get into that). But just because it's harder for women to be convicted, doesn't mean men should get off easy. And with the levels, I kind of agree....especially with sentencing. But not when it comes to coercion. I agree that if the rapist was definitely under the influence, as was the victim, maybe it should be a lesser charge (though, it's still awful, one can see how it can happen)....same thing with like statutory rape. If an 18 year old is having sex with his younger girlfriend, he can go to jail for the same crime as a 40 year old raping a 5 year old....wtf?

And if you want a fucked up story of the victim being blamed, there was a case a few years back somewhere in a western US state (Utah? Montana? Can't recall) where a 20-something year old raped a 5 year old and the judged blamed the 5 year old...and so did the jury.



I believe it is the victim's fault if they end up getting raped only when they are leading some guy on and playing games and expecting him to NOT want sex. If you're really that dumb maybe you deserve a little life long emotional fucking trauma, it'll serve you right.

That made me sick. Physically sick.

wheelchairman
08-15-2005, 03:44 PM
I believe it is the victim's fault if they end up getting raped only when they are leading some guy on and playing games and expecting him to NOT want sex. If you're really that dumb maybe you deserve a little life long emotional fucking trauma, it'll serve you right.
Wrong.

Stupidity does not justify rape. Honestly, quit acting so high and mighty. You are fucking dumb as shit, what makes you think some guy won't rape you? It's not like ordinary guys are rapists, weird shit sets some of these guys off, what the fuck makes you think it has anything to do with what the girl acts?

RXP
08-15-2005, 03:46 PM
Ok they don't deserve it, but it's hard to understand what else they expected.

RXP
08-15-2005, 03:47 PM
And if you want a fucked up story of the victim being blamed, there was a case a few years back somewhere in a western US state (Utah? Montana? Can't recall) where a 20-something year old raped a 5 year old and the judged blamed the 5 year old...and so did the jury.



Jesus, surely it was over-turned on appeal? Kids are a total different thing.

Rag Doll
08-15-2005, 03:50 PM
I'm not quite sure what happened in the end. One of my profs told our sexual violence class about it, but the whole class was too outraged to get that far.

JohnnyNemesis
08-15-2005, 03:50 PM
It's not like ordinary guys are rapists, weird shit sets some of these guys off, what the fuck makes you think it has anything to do with what the girl acts?

I was just about to add this.

See, in some cases, sure, a girl is flirting and being sexually suggestive on purpose. That happens some of the time. Other times, however, the girl is beig flirty and sexually suggestive and dressing provocative and has no fucking clue exactly what it does to the minds of the people around. Sure, they have an idea, but they don't really understand.

The point is that anyone can be in that situation, so don't act so high and mighty, ThrashedThrasher. You could JUST AS EASILY be one of those rape victims.

RXP
08-15-2005, 03:54 PM
I'm not quite sure what happened in the end. One of my profs told our sexual violence class about it, but the whole class was too outraged to get that far.

I remember in my first year seminars on rape and hearing the new reforms (with free agreement). I was outraged! But I was the only guy in the class so coudln't rant esp. since it was within the first 4 weeks of term and I wanted some nookie.

That case must have been overturned and that judge's career over or even disbarred from the bench. If you remember the name PM me or something.

ThrashedThrasher
08-15-2005, 04:01 PM
I was just about to add this.

See, in some cases, sure, a girl is flirting and being sexually suggestive on purpose. That happens some of the time. Other times, however, the girl is beig flirty and sexually suggestive and dressing provocative and has no fucking clue exactly what it does to the minds of the people around. Sure, they have an idea, but they don't really understand.

The point is that anyone can be in that situation, so don't act so high and mighty, ThrashedThrasher. You could JUST AS EASILY be one of those rape victims.

Your point? I realize this, anything can happen to anyone at any time, but I am simply saying if you don't want to suffer the consequences may they be reasonable or not then don't fuck with the wrong people. If you weren't doing anything and some dude kidnapped you and raped you then fine, it wasn't your fault, but if you provoked one to do so in ANY way then the fault is yours.

wheelchairman
08-15-2005, 04:04 PM
Your point? I realize this, anything can happen to anyone at any time, but I am simply saying if you don't want to suffer the consequences may they be reasonable or not then don't fuck with the wrong people. If you weren't doing anything and some dude kidnapped you and raped you then fine, it wasn't your fault, but if you provoked one to do so in ANY way then the fault is yours.
Don't be thick. We're talking about the definition of provocation. Everyone sees provocation differently. It doesn't matter. Do you think most rapists blame themselves? Honestly though, what do you know about any of this? You are a middle class loser pretending to be a rebel. Angster of love.

JohnnyNemesis
08-15-2005, 04:07 PM
Your point? I realize this, anything can happen to anyone at any time, but I am simply saying if you don't want to suffer the consequences may they be reasonable or not then don't fuck with the wrong people.

Not everyone who does the things you mentioned knows who the "wrong people" are. The example you gave earlier, about the repeated rape, is a huge exception. Should they avoid all male contact altogether?


but if you provoked one to do so in ANY way then the fault is yours.

This shows, as you alluded to earlier, that you did miss my point. My point was that girls don't always know when they provoke someone (in ANY way, as you said). You could easily be provoking people yourself, without knowing it at all. You said provocation in ANY way, correct? What if I find your style of dress totally provocative?

Rag Doll
08-15-2005, 04:23 PM
Your point? I realize this, anything can happen to anyone at any time, but I am simply saying if you don't want to suffer the consequences may they be reasonable or not then don't fuck with the wrong people. If you weren't doing anything and some dude kidnapped you and raped you then fine, it wasn't your fault, but if you provoked one to do so in ANY way then the fault is yours.

I smiled at someone at work. He now comes in the store I work in at least twice a night when I'm there and everyone is afraid to let me walk to my car by myself. Hell, he was waiting in the parking lot for me when I came back from my coffee run yesteday. I SMILED and it apparently made him think I want some kind of relationship with him. Should I be raped? Do I deserve it? I mean, I guess I provoked his newfound obsession in some way.

Sunny
08-15-2005, 04:29 PM
I completely agree with what RD said. You don't know what sort of behavior might be seen as provocative. a smile? playing with your hair, which is something I do when I space out? wearing a short skirt? making a joke? you never know. seriously. when i had my tongue stud, i couldn't fucking eat ice cream in the street without some sleazebag making a nasty comment. does that mean he should've shoved his dick in my mouth, because i was being "provocative"?

do i have to constantly watch myself and analyze my behavior in order to be safe? am i the only person who sees a problem with this?

RXP
08-15-2005, 04:36 PM
Rag Doll:

Maybe he isn't a freakjob but just someone with a lil crush? I always say this but if a hot guy was waiting for you, or waiting for that 'fortunate meeting' like where it's orcastrated so both of you crash into each other the it's fine.

I dunno, I've been in this situation before. Well not lame ass as a smile and not that I turned into a stalker but this chick at work talked to me and i coudln't get it outta my head for weeks. And in high school I've tried to orcistrate situations so I coudl talk to a crush of mine. I don't do it anymore but know where guys come from.

I bet you have a ravashing smile! And sunny, I can imagine if you say/do the wrong thing to guys it can turn nasty purely cause of your appearance.

Edit: but dude that ice cream thing is funny. This girl at work had a pearcing in and I told her to stick her toungue out and she was uneasy at doing it. I didn't realise the sexual connotation at all. And this is ME we're talking about. SO one never does know what another is thinking.

Rag Doll
08-15-2005, 04:51 PM
RXP...

he's in his mid 40's. he tried getting my home address from someone else i work with. and he applied for a job at the store. he's...ah...strange.

i know what you mean about not being able to get something like that out of your head....but i don't think that's creepy or weird or anything. this...is. to me.

Betty
08-15-2005, 07:37 PM
Wow, seriously, I'm tempted to agree with Dush and Christina here...

But I think maybe the whole argument has come down to semantics.

Rape: I like how Dush defined it as using physical force... I think if the guy overpowers the girl to have sex with her, against her will, that is wrong.

But having sex with a drunk girl, not with terrible intentions (eg. being drunk yourself or not knowing how drunk she really is) or even just verbally convincing someone to have sex (without threats of violence but just the "oh, come on baby, you can't tease me") that is totally NOT RAPE. It may not be a good thing to do, but it's not rape, and I think that is what Dush is defending in the first place.

I also think people are sometimes a little too "easy" on victims. If a girl gets raped (not brutal murder rape... but slightly forceful after leading a guy on rape), sure she didn't deserve it at all, and yes it was a terrible thing, but it was not 100% the guy's fault. If we're gonna play a blame game the girl is ultimately the victim, but she did contribute somewhat to the incident happening. And really, I'm not a guy, but I'd imagine it can be pretty stressful to be teased (knowingly or unknowingly) all day and be rejected and have to use all possible willpower to not do anything. Hormones are fucking crazy. I've had some experience with horny guys and I know that all rationality leaves their mind, it's kinda funny really. So it's really not fair to victimize in the way that some people do.

Betty
08-15-2005, 07:42 PM
And to add after reading the last few replies which I must have missed...

The definition of "leading on" is obviously being called into question. I'd say anything even mildly flirtatious could cause a guy to become interested, but that is far from teasing.

When I think really leading a guy on, I think fooling around with him pretty heavily and not being clear on your intentions until things are pretty heated, etc.

TheUnholyNightbringer
08-15-2005, 07:46 PM
I believe it is the victim's fault if they end up getting raped only when they are leading some guy on and playing games and expecting him to NOT want sex. If you're really that dumb maybe you deserve a little life long emotional fucking trauma, it'll serve you right.

Why are you assuming women dress provocatively simply to lead on men? Maybe it's simply that they're comfortable with their own body, and want to show it off a little? Which, you must remind yourself, they have EVERY RIGHT to do and should be able to do without the fear of being raped.

Your argument is basically that if you put yourself in the situation, even if you don't realise you're doing it, you deserve everything you get. I was once walking home through my neighbourhood, which is extremely safe, and I just happened to cut through a little bypass that was dark. A guy jumped out, punched me twice, and tried to steal my wallet and phone. Did I deserve that simply because I'd been down the dark bypass? No, I did not.

You're an idiot.

Conspiracy of One
08-15-2005, 07:50 PM
A guy jumped out, punched me twice, and tried to steal my wallet and phone. Did I deserve that simply because I'd been down the dark bypass? No, I did not.

You're an idiot.

So did he get the wallet and phone?

TheUnholyNightbringer
08-15-2005, 07:51 PM
So did he get the wallet and phone?

Not exactly the point of my story.. but no, he didn't. Not because I fought him off or anything, but because I ran like smoke and oakum.

Sunny
08-15-2005, 08:37 PM
And really, I'm not a guy, but I'd imagine it can be pretty stressful to be teased (knowingly or unknowingly) all day and be rejected and have to use all possible willpower to not do anything. Hormones are fucking crazy. I've had some experience with horny guys and I know that all rationality leaves their mind, it's kinda funny really. So it's really not fair to victimize in the way that some people do.

I don't understand that logic. Are men somehow less civilized than women? Are they mindless animals with no self control because they have some mysterious hormone?

Yes, horny guys can act stupid. So can horny girls. And honestly, past a certain point, teasing can get irritating... but for the love of god, we're HUMAN. we're supposed to be able to control certain urges.

I don't like it when people make it seem like men completely lose their minds/self control when in lust. They don't. And if they do, they need therapy, and quick. "Hormones" are a bullshit excuse. I have a higher sex drive than most men I know, but hey, guess what? When my partner is tired/not in the mood, I don't try to make him have sex with me. It doesn't even cross my mind, because I'm a reasonable human being and I take "no" for an answer. No matter how horny I am at the time.

Not that I could physically overpower a 210 lbs 6'4" guy, but anyway. I don't even try to convince him verbally. No means no. Period.

Just because we find a certain situation difficult to handle and it's hard to find patience for it, doesn't mean that it's an excuse to commit a violent act. And it doesn't make the violent act any less of the rapist's fault. It's still 100% his god damned choice to rape the girl, no matter how irritated/horny he was. There's no excuse.

My point is, if you can't control your fucking primal urges, and can't stop yourself from violating other people under the influence of "hormones", maybe you don't belong in jail - but you sure do belong in a mental institution.

Betty
08-15-2005, 09:45 PM
Yes, yes, and yes. Same for girls (well, not me, but some), but the point of the thread is more about man-rape-woman. And I haven't personally experienced crazed horny girls, hence from my experience, this is what I know, and so used as an example.

Anyway, I agree with you, my point however was that, sure, albeit 100% the guy's choice to have sex with the girl, it is not 100% his fault for being in the situation in the first place and I don't think he should take 100% of the blame.

I still think you all will disagree... bah... whatever... It's basically just point of view, and I just like to see the other side of the coin, in ANY circumstance, and will generally try and show the side of the "bad guy".

Maybe, also, maybe it's naive of me, but I can't personally see myself ever getting into that kinda teasing/denying sex situation, so I hope that as a female I might have more license to take the guy's side (only a little, of course).

Sin Studly
08-16-2005, 12:35 AM
I'd like to point out that almost every act of consentual sex ever committed can legally be classified as rape if the woman changes her mind afterwards, due to the potentially broad use of the definition "coerce". Saying "Hey, we should have some sex" is coercing. Mentioning sex in any way at all is "coercing". Making a move, in any way, shape or form, can be considered "coercing".

I'm not saying that cases like that won't be laughed out of court, but they might not be, so it's still something to think about.

RXP
08-16-2005, 02:13 AM
Sunny it's clearly men who have 'bigger' urges than women. Further women get sex elsewhere easier if someone teases them and rejects 'em. I've had personal experience with being lead on, it wasn't about sex but you get so emotionally messed up that you feel like punching the bitch in the face. But I did control myself. So it is possible cause I'm as emotional as they come.

You say are men less of a human than women less able to control their urges. Well in England there's a thing called "Battered Women Syndrome" that means women get off easy when they murder a man who has abused them. Yet it's rare the same thing occurs when the woman abuses the man and the roles are reversed. The law and society recognises our different strengths/weaknesses and that's not a bad thing.

It's like provocation for a murder charge or at least diminished responsibility. You are provoked to do the 'minor rape'. It's like dangling food in front of a homeless man and taking it away. Sure sex isn't sustenance but you can crave it like it is. You say you're horny Sunny but you're an attractive woman and thus get sex all the time. It's different if your supply is cut off. It's akin to drug crime IMHO.

And Ragdoll, yeah I didn't realise he's 40 and tried to get a job there. But that's clearly not provocation. Provocation is if you came up to me in a club, grinded me, put your hand down my pants took me to your room and stripped then said "no get lost". Nor is licking ice cream. It's not really as if guys get horny of girls smiling at them, it's more of an emotional response.

Further Sunny you're like 5ft 90lbs. There is no way in hell you could even think about raping anyone unless you used emotional stuff. You wouldn't dream of asking your 210lb fiance because you just don't feel physically superior to him to do so.

And 'male' hormones list testosteorne are more agressive anyway so we're inherently more agressive than women. This is evidenced by the fact when women dope testosterone (like athletes, bodybuilders) they get more agressive and get mood swings.

I just feel it's a lot to do with our relative sizes. i'm not an agressive guy cause of my size, i'm only 5f6" 140lbs and weak. If I were bigger, taller, stronger maybe I'd act like a dick.

Oh and non violent forums of rape are still awful and just as distressing. For example, threats of harm against others. I really gotta look at the Sexual Offences Act to see if that free agreement thing passed (it was in Bill form when I did it) fully. I just hope we're not saying non violent rapes aren't rape because I know from reading loads of rape victims statements that it's just as bad.

RXP
08-16-2005, 02:18 AM
But having sex with a drunk girl, not with terrible intentions (eg. being drunk yourself or not knowing how drunk she really is) or even just verbally convincing someone to have sex (without threats of violence but just the "oh, come on baby, you can't tease me") that is totally NOT RAPE. It may not be a good thing to do, but it's not rape, and I think that is what Dush is defending in the first place.


I've said it like at least a half dozen times already but I wish I knew women like you in real life.

Tizzalicious
08-16-2005, 02:24 AM
Wow, seriously, I'm tempted to agree with Dush and Christina here...

But I think maybe the whole argument has come down to semantics.

Rape: I like how Dush defined it as using physical force... I think if the guy overpowers the girl to have sex with her, against her will, that is wrong.

But having sex with a drunk girl, not with terrible intentions (eg. being drunk yourself or not knowing how drunk she really is) or even just verbally convincing someone to have sex (without threats of violence but just the "oh, come on baby, you can't tease me") that is totally NOT RAPE. It may not be a good thing to do, but it's not rape, and I think that is what Dush is defending in the first place.

I also think people are sometimes a little too "easy" on victims. If a girl gets raped (not brutal murder rape... but slightly forceful after leading a guy on rape), sure she didn't deserve it at all, and yes it was a terrible thing, but it was not 100% the guy's fault. If we're gonna play a blame game the girl is ultimately the victim, but she did contribute somewhat to the incident happening. And really, I'm not a guy, but I'd imagine it can be pretty stressful to be teased (knowingly or unknowingly) all day and be rejected and have to use all possible willpower to not do anything. Hormones are fucking crazy. I've had some experience with horny guys and I know that all rationality leaves their mind, it's kinda funny really. So it's really not fair to victimize in the way that some people do.

I'm with you on the drunk part, but not about the rest, I'm a bit late with replying here, so everyone said what I'd say before: no one deserves to be raped, people should know how to control themselves.

And like Dave said, wearing a short skirt does not mean: "oh take me."

RXP
08-16-2005, 02:46 AM
I don't think anybody is saying it does. It's still a mitigation to rape, however. Not the skirt I mean the leading on part. A lesser charge than rape. That's all I'm asking for. And perhaps if the same thing happens to the woman again in the future because of her leading a guy on she also gets punished.

Dirty Bertie
08-16-2005, 02:59 AM
I don't think anybody is saying it does. It's still a mitigation to rape, however. Not the skirt I mean the leading on part. A lesser charge than rape. That's all I'm asking for. And perhaps if the same thing happens to the woman again in the future because of her leading a guy on she also gets punished.

RXP.. What are you talking about??? NO means NO. Even if you have your dick in her mouth and she changes her mind. You HAVE to respect that.

I really don't see a grey area here.

RXP
08-16-2005, 03:07 AM
*sigh* read the thread.

Sin Studly
08-16-2005, 05:25 AM
NO means NO.

Wrong. No means "yes". Yes means "in the butt".

Dirty Bertie
08-16-2005, 05:40 AM
Wrong. No means "yes". Yes means "in the butt".

I think that's RXP's philosophy

JoY
08-16-2005, 05:41 AM
That's just stupid. Ever heard of just not being ready? I mean...14?????
THANK you, Tizz. exactly what I wanted to say.

worst argument & post, EVER.

JoY
08-16-2005, 05:44 AM
You're a complete fucking idiot.

To rack up a pretty high amount of posts from August, you'd have to post, what, 20 posts day, maybe? You can easily do that in an hour. Easily.
I agree & I agree.

*grrrs @ TrashedTrasher*

Sin Studly
08-16-2005, 05:47 AM
I think that's RXP's philosophy

No, RXP is afraid of pussy so he tries to act like a rapist on the board.

Vera
08-16-2005, 05:49 AM
Everyone is always free to say "no".

It may be bitchy to say no even when you've got your knickers off and the guy's ready to go but I would never compare the crime cockteasing to the crime of forcing someone to have sex. That's just ridiculous.


To label someone raping some drunk teenage girl who was leading the guy on is stupid when you label a brutal rape where a woman is beaten nearly to death and raped.

I think it's great the law sees no difference in the two acts. How can we know if the girl was leading someone on or not? Whatever you're saying sounds like passing out with my legs open justifies for some guy to have sex with me. I don't think there's a thing called "mild rape". You'll feel just as shitty after a "mild rape" than a beating and a rape, the only difference is you'll hurt more physically and the bruises won't go away for a while but the emotional damage is severe in both, I'm sure.

Also, the question of leading on.. Like Ricky said, some girls just don't know. I think teenagers overall might have an ignorant view of sex. They might've just kissed bfs/gfs and seen a porn video or two but they have no sexual urges in the style of "Man, I really want to get laid."

And girls flirt and wear skimpy clothes at a very young age sometimes. Doesn't mean they're sluts, they're just teenage girls testing their attractiveness and their femininity without really realizing what kind of things their actions might make guys think. It's hard to know what people are aware of and what not but the optimistic guy will of course think, "She's doing this to turn me on".

I think I'll repeat this thing because I like the way I phrased it:

I would never compare the crime cockteasing to the crime of forcing someone to have sex.

By forcing, I don't mean, "Honey, let's please have sex tonight, please please please I'll wash the dishes tomorrow!" "Oh, alright!", I mean someone saying no and continuing to say no (not moaning "No", basically meaning "yes", I mean making it quite clear they do not want the other person to be doing what s/he is doing) while the other person continues with the act, not hearing the other one's pleads to stop.

What some of you are basically saying is that getting a guy hard and expectant of sex = sexual abuse that can be "revenged" with further sexual abuse, this time at the girl. It's sort of an eye-for-eye logic that I don't agree with.

JoY
08-16-2005, 05:49 AM
In your opinion. Not my problem that the chicks here don't seem to get it through their heads that if they don't want to risk the fact that there are guys out there that will rape them then maybe they shouldn't be around them. There's a chick that's in the same grade as me, she's 13 and she's obviously not the brightest person in the world considering she's been raped twice by the same person. It happened once and she STILL chose to fucking hang around him. Those that are prone to get raped more than once because of their own actions of being stupid fucking deserve it.
TrashedTrasher, that isn't an opinion, it the fucking world-wide definition of RAPE, pissing whorish filthy fish-hooked self-mutilated piece of cheese.

I so want to punch the fuck out of you right now. congratulations, you're the first one EVER on this board to accomplish that.

Sin Studly
08-16-2005, 05:54 AM
All you selfrighteous anti-rape people know you'd rape me if you ever got a chance, and you'd probably justify it with the lame pathetic arguments you're debunking right now.

And it's not my fault I was born so sexy :(

JoY
08-16-2005, 06:21 AM
It doesn't matter. What TT is justifying, is something far worse than rape. It's taking part in the active convincing of telling victims that they are too blame for being victims. Which is disgusting no matter the crime.
I had to quote this post, although I've already made my point clear, no matter if I only said "I agree". but I agree & am pretty thankful that you'd look at it that way.

what TT, you are a little bit pierced? a little bit abused? a little bit pregnant? a little bit raped? it's NOT a matter of opinion. I've seen you use the word "opinion" trillions of times in this topic & actually being PROUD of having one no one else here seems to share. do you know why people don't share your opinion? because it isn't an opinion. you just picked a word out of the dictionary & changed the definition all on your own. all in your little head & your little, immature, sick, twisted, little world.

Ste was definitely right about something; if you'd say this to the wrong person (or the right one, it depends on how you look at it), don't be surprised if you wake up in a hospital the next day. because, I swear, if you'd say this stuff to me in real life, I'd be the wrong person.

wheelchairman
08-16-2005, 06:25 AM
All you selfrighteous anti-rape people know you'd rape me if you ever got a chance, and you'd probably justify it with the lame pathetic arguments you're debunking right now.

And it's not my fault I was born so sexy :(
This is true. Never come to Copenhagen.

HornyPope
08-16-2005, 06:38 AM
IM GONNA RAPE YOU ALL.

Sinister
08-16-2005, 06:48 AM
IM GONNA RAPE YOU ALL.

I'll kill you if you try lol
but you'd have to be damn hopeless to see anything good in someone like me.

TheUnholyNightbringer
08-16-2005, 06:49 AM
I'll kill you if you try lol
but you'd have to be damn hopeless to see anything good in someone like me.

NO MORE HOPE FOR BETTER DAYS :( :(

Sinister
08-16-2005, 06:51 AM
NO MORE HOPE FOR BETTER DAYS :( :(

if you think anything can get better with time you're not as clever as you seem.

TheUnholyNightbringer
08-16-2005, 06:52 AM
Way to read too much into the emo jokingz.

HornyPope
08-16-2005, 06:52 AM
Hey Sinister, send me nudes?

Sinister
08-16-2005, 06:55 AM
Hey Sinister, send me nudes?

roflmfao

do you really wanna puke your fucking guts out ?

edit : 1000 posts. :).

Sin Studly
08-16-2005, 06:59 AM
This is true. Never come to Copenhagen.

Just try and stop me, you big scary rapist-man, you. *blows kisses*

HornyPope
08-16-2005, 07:02 AM
roflmfao

do you really wanna puke your fucking guts out ?

edit : 1000 posts. :).

Not before I ticked them with my penis.

Are you wll hung?

Kitten
08-16-2005, 07:16 AM
Originally Posted by RXP
I don't think anybody is saying it does. It's still a mitigation to rape, however. Not the skirt I mean the leading on part. A lesser charge than rape. That's all I'm asking for. And perhaps if the same thing happens to the woman again in the future because of her leading a guy on she also gets punished.

Define leading on, a smile? A flick of the hair? Or maybe just an ease to joke around? That could be defined as leading on. And if she honestly has no fucking clue what she is doing, she deserves to be raped?
On a side note, if she gets raped in the future, it's doubtful she will be half the person she once was, so she deserves to be punished for being either in the wrong place or wrong time a second time around?
As for the whole women raping men thing, that is just as wrong.

Sunny
08-16-2005, 12:50 PM
All you selfrighteous anti-rape people know you'd rape me if you ever got a chance, and you'd probably justify it with the lame pathetic arguments you're debunking right now.

And it's not my fault I was born so sexy :(


you can't rape the willing ;)

ThrashedThrasher
08-16-2005, 12:54 PM
TrashedTrasher, that isn't an opinion, it the fucking world-wide definition of RAPE, pissing whorish filthy fish-hooked self-mutilated piece of cheese.

I so want to punch the fuck out of you right now. congratulations, you're the first one EVER on this board to accomplish that.


:D You're funny, quite entertaining might I add :D

sKratch
08-16-2005, 02:18 PM
Kind of ironic that you're as closed minded and prejudiced as the kids you hate in school.

RXP
08-16-2005, 02:44 PM
I've said all I've said in this thread. All I'm asking for is fair labelling and proportionality of crime to punishment. If you argue otherwise you will have to reverse ALL OTHER aspects of the law as well because it's upheld elsewhere.

JohnnyNemesis
08-16-2005, 08:14 PM
RXP, I think you've made good points, and even those of us countering your arguments agree with some of what you're saying. It's ThrashedThrasher who isn't making any sense.

ThrashedThrasher
08-16-2005, 08:19 PM
RXP, I think you've made good points, and even those of us countering your arguments agree with some of what you're saying. It's ThrashedThrasher who isn't making any sense.

We've established that fact already.

Sunny
08-16-2005, 08:19 PM
I agree with Johnny, the points you (RXP) made are definitely valid, and I see where you're coming from. I might disagree with certain aspects of your argument, but I totally respect it.

TT, however, sounds like a raving lunatic.

JohnnyNemesis
08-16-2005, 08:27 PM
We've established that fact already.

No, we never did establish the most important part of my message. We never made it clear that most of us agree with RXP.