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Norwegian Cat
08-15-2005, 07:23 AM
A great number of danes that convert to islam are under the age of 18. Investigators mean that the fact that they grow up with muslim "friends" and their anti-authority actitud is the cause.
Young danish (and most scandinavic) women convert to islam by marrying muslim men. Investigators also say that they might use islam as an protest against the authority, just like the 70's punks who wore nazi shirts, or the 80's radical communist groups, to stay as an oposition to the society and authority. But this is too radical. I mean, as the only religion that is has such a strong support for holy war, islam is the only fascist kind of religion/goverment (for example islamic states) that still exist, not to mention the remaining neo-nazi groups and the ku-klux clan

Between 5 and 10 danes convert to islam each week.

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a100/nocat/islam-will-dominate.jpg

Norwegian Cat
08-15-2005, 07:24 AM
BTW, how come the picture doesn't show up?

Sinister
08-15-2005, 07:34 AM
upload the picture (www.photobucket.com) and ise the IMG tag URL there.

Norwegian Cat
08-15-2005, 07:43 AM
http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a100/nocat/Lebanese-hitler.jpg

Sin Studly
08-15-2005, 08:01 AM
I can already tell that this thread is going to stimulate some interesting and intelligent discussion.

Norwegian Cat
08-15-2005, 08:05 AM
I belive Sin Studley will be able to recognise these two guys:
http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a100/nocat/adolf-mufti.jpg

Norwegian Cat
08-15-2005, 08:14 AM
But seriously, I mean Europe and the US wil suffer very much beacause of these radical islamic movements. I'm not saying to send every muslim back to where they came from... I'm saying lets strengthen up security in our streets and the education in our schools.

wheelchairman
08-15-2005, 09:12 AM
Hmm so I see your newspapers get their information from the same sources we do.

No one, not the US, not Europe, will suffer from Danes turning into radical muslims. Especially 5-10 a week. Use your brain, the source were taken when the Danish press asked the Imam organization. Rule of Marketin number 1. Lie about the growth of your organization. You ever see anyone, state that their group was in a state of decline and low membership?

2. This is a ridiculous non-issue. Why couldn't you look beyond the article? You just spew the same crap that you read and pretend it's your own opinion. Kindergarten was wrong, your opinion is not as important as other people's. Because you contribute nothing, you are recycled thoughts.

3. Islam is not the only religion that promotes holy war. It just gets the most press. Either way, discrimination based on religion is part of the popularity of Islam in Europe. People are attracted to the oppressed. They have a sense of self-righteousness. The problem could easily be solved by effective integration. However, that'd screw up the economy and brownies scare us.

You are intensely stupid.

Thucydides
08-15-2005, 09:27 AM
But seriously, I mean Europe and the US will suffer very much beacause of these radical islamic movements.

Surely we already are suffering?

wheelchairman
08-15-2005, 09:29 AM
Surely we already are suffering?
Right yeah, suffering in private school. I'm sure you are. Got any weed on you?

Thucydides
08-15-2005, 09:33 AM
Right yeah, suffering in private school. I'm sure you are. Got any weed on you?

Well I meant England as a whole - look at London.

Yeah, a little bit, why?

Conspiracy of One
08-15-2005, 09:34 AM
Well I meant England as a whole - look at London.

Yeah, a little bit, why?

heh glasses and a lisp..........lmao, ok ill shut up now

wheelchairman
08-15-2005, 09:38 AM
Well I meant England as a whole - look at London.

Yeah, a little bit, why?
Yes. And I meant England as a whole isn't feeling nothing. What little they felt, is literally the recieving end of a cycle of violence that they are propagating. Or do you think that Brits never kill the muslim minorities? Or you know....that whole war on terrorism which is so blatantly illegitimate that it pisses off even some of the tories, traditionally the imperialist party.

Norwegian Cat
08-15-2005, 09:47 AM
Wheelchairman, your having your ass to do the same function as your brain. So you're saying that radical islamist haven't done enough destruction to the US and Europe? Have you already forgotten september 11th? March 11th? July 7th?

Seriously man, Mohamed's first priority was Jihad (Holy war). It is written in the Quoran (holy book of islam) that you shall murder, assasin, torture and even BETRAY (which is the worst of all mentioned) ANYONE who does not belive and pray to Allah.

Read the Quoran, man. It says that one of muslims first goals is to invade another country and occupie it, controlling it, and CONVERTING it. Stop listening to your communist shit, that's for the industrial revolution era, where it really was necessary. It's your fault that we recive people from the whole world, thinking that that way we are helping the poor. Wake up and smell the cofee.

Anyway, I belive that this really is a topic that must be discussed.
I'm not saying you're an idiot, wheelchairman... I like hearing your opinion. But I just have one thing to tell you: "Socialism is a dream... But sooner or later you'll wake up to reality." -Winston Churchill

NOAMR
08-15-2005, 10:32 AM
You schould see the Quoran in the time it was written. It is written in a time they suffered hard and where highly oppressed cuz off their religion (the time off the crusades off the christs). I'm sure not the whole Quoran is violent-preaching, they also talk about care for the poor etc. In the Bible are also bad parts(womendiscriminating...). You schould read these books criticly, and that's the problem off religionfreaks. Ok, I never read the Quoran, but I never read the Bible neither.
And don't involve wheelchairman's socialist/communists ideas with this, they have little to do with it, except that he is still a little bit solidarian cuz off it. But he's right: muslims use violence cuz they are highly oppressed by the Western world. I mean, look to the media and the crap you guys talk: would you like to be a muslim?

Norwegian Cat
08-15-2005, 10:40 AM
The first problem is that muslims (not all, but most) take the Quoran too literally. BTW, socialism/communism has to do with all of this topic. It's the socialism's fault that there are so high inmigration levels. Muslims (i reapeat; most of them, but not all) have their brains set to some kind of medieval instinct. They have many children, 'cause they think they'll help their parents when older, and to expand religion, and this is the same mentality as the christians had before the industrial revolution. There is no opression from the western world. I, personally, would not belong to a religion which is brainwashing or desireing world domination.

Norwegian Cat
08-15-2005, 10:48 AM
http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a100/nocat/father-and-son.jpg
http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a100/nocat/reem-raiyshi-with-son.jpg

Norwegian Cat
08-15-2005, 10:49 AM
I don't know what your opinion is about those pictures, but I find them horrible. I haven't seen that kind of child abuse since the Hitlerjugend.

Sinister
08-15-2005, 10:59 AM
fuckin shit !!!

if the pics mean what I think they do, they're training kids to become soldiers. and that's just frickin STUPID !

NOAMR
08-15-2005, 01:09 PM
The first problem is that muslims (not all, but most) take the Quoran too literally. BTW, socialism/communism has to do with all of this topic. It's the socialism's fault that there are so high inmigration levels. Muslims (i reapeat; most of them, but not all) have their brains set to some kind of medieval instinct. They have many children, 'cause they think they'll help their parents when older, and to expand religion, and this is the same mentality as the christians had before the industrial revolution. There is no opression from the western world. I, personally, would not belong to a religion which is brainwashing or desireing world domination.

I think the most muslims doesn't take the Quoran literally, the radical terroristic part is just a small group. And it's not the fault off socialism/communism there is so much immigration, capitalism is the fault, cuz they make the poor more poor and the rich more rich.
So you think:immegration is wrong=>immigrants are wrong, block them from our countries so only we can profit from their work? And yup, poor people have a lot off children, cuz the social security isn't so good in that countries. But it isn't because some kinda conspiracy theory that they can dominate the world.
Off course there is western oppression. People who live on the other side off some immagionnary line(borders), aren't welcome on these side, are called 'illegal', can't have a job and hardly go to school, have no social security, are put in 'closed centra'(kinda like a prison). People who have are passport, have to deal with racism every day: more hard to get a job, can't go in a disco...

And you say you don't want to live in a brainwashing and world-domination-greedy world, but I think that's exacly what the Western World is. The media controls the mind off milions off people, who just believe whatever is said and think in these biased therms and labelling. America is the country that invades countries. The terrorism by some muslims isn't really for 'world domination'(or if they want it, it will never work), but just a reaction off what the Western World did to them.

wheelchairman
08-15-2005, 02:19 PM
oh where to start.


Wheelchairman, your having your ass to do the same function as your brain. So you're saying that radical islamist haven't done enough destruction to the US and Europe? Have you already forgotten september 11th? March 11th? July 7th?

All parts of escalating violence instigated by the west. Do you truly think that the reason for these attacks is because they hate our way of life? Do you think they care about our way of life? No, they're pissed off at us. For reasons much more closer to home. Like us killing them and stuff. March 11 and July 7th were both direct consequences of going into an illegitamite war. 9/11 is the direct consequence of our support of the world's most racist regime and our interference in politics we shouldn't be interfering in.


Seriously man, Mohamed's first priority was Jihad (Holy war). It is written in the Quoran (holy book of islam) that you shall murder, assasin, torture and even BETRAY (which is the worst of all mentioned) ANYONE who does not belive and pray to Allah.
The bible is pretty fucked up too. We have a word for holy war, it's called Crusade. However, "Holy War" is a very bad translation of Jihad. I've read the Holy Qu'ran though, and it's basically the same stuff as the bible. The same preachy heaven or hell fire stuff. Have you read anything by the Apostle Peter? His intense hatred of jews really shines through in the new testament? But the bible is so full of hate.


Read the Quoran, man. It says that one of muslims first goals is to invade another country and occupie it, controlling it, and CONVERTING it. Stop listening to your communist shit, that's for the industrial revolution era, where it really was necessary. It's your fault that we recive people from the whole world, thinking that that way we are helping the poor. Wake up and smell the cofee.
I've read the Holy Qu'ran and the Holy Bible, have you? They both have preached the same kind of thing. And my "communist shit" is irrelevant to this discussion. I am right, but you can't argue against my points, so you create this ad-hominem attack to detract from the weight of my arguments. Instead, I want you to debunk me, argument for argument, instead of focusing on my ideology. Which is completely irrelevant.


Anyway, I belive that this really is a topic that must be discussed.
I'm not saying you're an idiot, wheelchairman... I like hearing your opinion. But I just have one thing to tell you: "Socialism is a dream... But sooner or later you'll wake up to reality." -Winston Churchill
And honestly, quotes aren't fact. Especially since Winston Churchill was a pompous monster.


The first problem is that muslims (not all, but most) take the Quoran too literally. BTW, socialism/communism has to do with all of this topic. It's the socialism's fault that there are so high inmigration levels. Muslims (i reapeat; most of them, but not all) have their brains set to some kind of medieval instinct. They have many children, 'cause they think they'll help their parents when older, and to expand religion, and this is the same mentality as the christians had before the industrial revolution. There is no opression from the western world. I, personally, would not belong to a religion which is brainwashing or desireing world domination.
The fact that they have so many children is irrelevant of religion. It's a common fact of the poor in society. They have many children because when you're poorer, the chance of survival at a young age is less, and you depend on your kids for your retirement. Also family values is ever more present at this level of poverty. It has nothing to do with industrial revolution, or any of that. Those are just buzzwords you use to sound smart, like you know something of the progress of society or history, but you don't.

There is oppression. Let's take a look at muslims and immigrants in Denmark (and I too, am an immigrant in Denmark.) We're not allowed to marry Danes unless we get permission from the state. Our University of diplomas are worthless, meaning, that we have brain surgeons for burger flippers, and the world's smartest taxi drivers. Now let's think about this, every immigrant that comes to denmark, cannot get a qualified job because their educations are worthless. So they are artificially kept in unqualified labor jobs, meaning less pay, meaning we're creating a class of different colored people who can't do anything but serve us. This is why pizza and kebabs cost us a couple of dollars and immigrants live in ghettos, forced to go to worse schools, drop their education, and work to feed their family and parents. This is a distinct form of economic depression. And in my opinion, excuses any act of violence or dissatisfaction that they may have to the society that parasites off their virtual slavery.

Now, international exploitation. I don't know, this is almost too obvious to explain. Let's take Iraq, when we invaded Iraq, we changed a few of the policies of Saddam's government. Like legalising the selling of 50% of the banks of Iraq to foreign markets, meaning half of the capital in Iraq would be owned by foreign interests, which is basically like selling half of Iraq. This is obvious exploitation, for it means access to cheap labor, etc. etc. etc.

Is that not exploitation?

And explain to me, how is socialism to blame for immigration in Western Europe? In what context, is that even relevant? Please enlighten me.

Second, your pics are of Hezbollah in Palestine. Not anyone in Western Europe. In Palestine they are fighting for freedom, it's not uncommon to use children in such a way. The boy scouts are basically the same idea.

Now please go through each argument and prove me wrong. And try and do it without screaming socialist witch, if you can do this I'll respect your opinion. If not, you're just another "brainwashed idiot" that you pretend to hate.

The Talking Pie
08-15-2005, 02:27 PM
Seriously man, Mohamed's first priority was Jihad (Holy war). It is written in the Quoran (holy book of islam) that you shall murder, assasin, torture and even BETRAY (which is the worst of all mentioned) ANYONE who does not belive and pray to Allah.
You're kidding right? Dude, have you even read the Qur'an? And you should realise that 'Jihad' has been poorly translated by the media. The people who interpret it to mean 'Holy War' are just as stupid as the ones who interpret Islam as an excuse to blow themselves up. And need I bring up The Crusades, at all?

Thucydides
08-15-2005, 02:28 PM
'Jihad' just means conflict.

The Talking Pie
08-15-2005, 02:28 PM
Heh, shit, wheelchairman beat me to it on all my killer points.

wheelchairman
08-15-2005, 02:30 PM
yeah sorry. I dislike this person's points of view so intensely much. I want to convince him to shutup until he forms a real opinion and stops parrotting what he hears.

Italia311
08-15-2005, 03:15 PM
I forgot denmark even existed...

Maybe I missed a reference to christianity in this thread but why has the bible been brought into this? Or Christianity?

I read through this quickly so I might have missed things but I notice people are quick to point fingers at Christianity as if its the ultimate evil...Wheelchairman....

Hey but don't anyone DARE say one thing about ISLAM or any other religious organization, we don't want to be racist...

Norwegian Cat
08-16-2005, 07:12 AM
Hey wheelchairman, your quite rigth in some points. Altough, I still mean socialism is supporting inmigration. Hey but don't think I'm another fascist that wants a clean country without inmigrants. What I'm trying to say is that the strong inmigration I've seen in Norway shocks me. And what I've heard from friends in Holland is that there is such a high number of muslims that they'll get there own schools and hospitals.

I may sound like a racist, but I'm not. I've got many muslim friends too. They pray five times a day, and follow the Quoran's writings very much. They are those who tell me what the Quoran says.

BTW, I would like to hear your opinion about the first picture I posted. Oh, and there is a book wich is very very interesting: "Hate & pride" by Oriana Fallaci.

I like to discuss about these religious topics, so please continue posting.

wheelchairman
08-16-2005, 07:59 AM
sigh.


Maybe I missed a reference to christianity in this thread but why has the bible been brought into this? Or Christianity?
Everything is relative, Islam is only relative to other monotheistic religions. Although I believe it started because someone asked me if I read the bible or something.


I read through this quickly so I might have missed things but I notice people are quick to point fingers at Christianity as if its the ultimate evil...Wheelchairman....
Read my whole post. You cannot understand the complexity of my thoughts unless you read the entire thing. Not that you could anyways. Either way, I don't remember point christianity as the root of all evil. Hell, in another thread I was talking about how Christianity started out as a movement for the poor and exploited of society. You sir, are stupid.


Hey but don't anyone DARE say one thing about ISLAM or any other religious organization, we don't want to be racist...
Islam is always criticized. Often in the must unfair ways, like the mistranslation of the word Jihad. Muslims and Islam are our generations scapegoat, it gets to be trite and pathetic to kick people smaller than you.

Norwegian Cat,


Hey wheelchairman, your quite rigth in some points. Altough, I still mean socialism is supporting inmigration. Hey but don't think I'm another fascist that wants a clean country without inmigrants. What I'm trying to say is that the strong inmigration I've seen in Norway shocks me. And what I've heard from friends in Holland is that there is such a high number of muslims that they'll get there own schools and hospitals.
There aren't that many immigrants in Norway, besides the article you chose this from talked about Denmark. Socialism has nothing to do with immigration, please explain to me why you think it does. I don't see any connection. And until you tell me I'm wrong, we'll just assume that you were wrong in this case. And having their own schools and hospitals doesn't mean there are a lot of them, it just means failed integration.


I may sound like a racist, but I'm not. I've got many muslim friends too. They pray five times a day, and follow the Quoran's writings very much. They are those who tell me what the Quoran says.
You can quit lying now.



BTW, I would like to hear your opinion about the first picture I posted. Oh, and there is a book wich is very very interesting: "Hate & pride" by Oriana Fallaci.
No thank you, I have plenty of books as it is. And I am knowledgeable enough in this area to not need to read someone else's worthless propaganda.


I like to discuss about these religious topics, so please continue posting.
So why don't you read what I wrote, learn from it, and quit making the same mistakes?

Norwegian Cat
08-16-2005, 01:16 PM
Socialism has nothing to do with immigration

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a100/nocat/Solandlib.jpg

Socialism means there is only one world, and that terms like "nations" and "borders" should not exist.


You can quit lying now.

I am not lying. I am not a racist. I do not HATE anyone no matter where they come from, what they belive in or what colour of skin they have.


No thank you, I have plenty of books as it is. And I am knowledgeable enough in this area to not need to read someone else's worthless propaganda.

It's not worthless propaganda; it's the truth. I would like to see some more interest from your side. I know you'll be such an ignorant for the rest of your life, but just try to see the other side of the story and stop insisting on that you know everything about the topic and do not need to hear no more.

Sin Studly
08-17-2005, 12:01 AM
Muslims are smelly.

wheaty
08-17-2005, 12:18 AM
Wow this is FUCKED! I'll keep this short
1)Islam means -Submition
2)90% of your opinion of islam is based on what you hear which is most of the time a load of shit. The guys u hear on aljazera are the same as some one over there hearing an interview from a KKK member saying "Im White and I kill all jews, muslims, negros(sry for the word but thats how it is)and every other coloured or non christian race
3)Socilalism is a bitch

wheelchairman
08-17-2005, 12:34 AM
Norwegian Cat,
1. Socialism does not mean no borders and nations. That's communism. However, that still has nothing to do wtih 'immigrate like crazy.'

2. You are a racist. Get over it.

3. If I am ignorant, why have you not proven me wrong in a single point I have made? I am smarter than you, you are just a child trying to claim superiority without being able to prove it. Please, if I am ignorant, go back to my post, and debunk it point by point, oh wise sir.



Wow this is FUCKED! I'll keep this short
1)Islam means -Submition
2)90% of your opinion of islam is based on what you hear which is most of the time a load of shit. The guys u hear on aljazera are the same as some one over there hearing an interview from a KKK member saying "Im White and I kill all jews, muslims, negros(sry for the word but thats how it is)and every other coloured or non christian race
3)Socilalism is a bitch
1. Relevance?
2. Have you ever watched Al-Jazeera? Cause you sound quite ignorant of what they air.
3. Ignorance is a bitch too.

NOAMR
08-17-2005, 06:31 AM
Wow this is FUCKED! I'll keep this short
1)Islam means -Submition
2)90% of your opinion of islam is based on what you hear which is most of the time a load of shit. The guys u hear on aljazera are the same as some one over there hearing an interview from a KKK member saying "Im White and I kill all jews, muslims, negros(sry for the word but thats how it is)and every other coloured or non christian race
3)Socilalism is a bitch

Well, what you hear about the islam is also based on what you hear from the tv... Wheelchairman hears both sides, so he schould be the most objective, you aren't at all. You just spread you're opinion, there is no fact or good argument in your post at all.

And Norwegian Cat: there is no absolute truth, so it's impossible you're book tells The Truth, and I don't like books who are so arrogant they say they do.

Norwegian Cat
08-17-2005, 07:15 AM
Belive what you want. I've said my opinion about this topic and I've enjoyed hearing yours. My theories, opinions and beliefs expressed in this thread are not the only possible interpretation of the topic. Readers and posters in this forum are urged to make a judgement based on all available information.

ichoose90
08-19-2005, 08:38 PM
A great number of danes that convert to islam are under the age of 18. Investigators mean that the fact that they grow up with muslim "friends" and their anti-authority actitud is the cause.
Young danish (and most scandinavic) women convert to islam by marrying muslim men. Investigators also say that they might use islam as an protest against the authority, just like the 70's punks who wore nazi shirts, or the 80's radical communist groups, to stay as an oposition to the society and authority. But this is too radical. I mean, as the only religion that is has such a strong support for holy war, islam is the only fascist kind of religion/goverment (for example islamic states) that still exist, not to mention the remaining neo-nazi groups and the ku-klux clan

Between 5 and 10 danes convert to islam each week.

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a100/nocat/islam-will-dominate.jpg

Using your religion as a 'tool' to dominate the world, eh? Doesn't that kind of defeat the meaning of a religion? I don't know but anyways, anyone who thinks of their religion like that isn't really true to their faith anyways.

wheaty
08-19-2005, 09:36 PM
1. Relevance?
2. Have you ever watched Al-Jazeera? Cause you sound quite ignorant of what they air.
3. Ignorance is a bitch too.
Wow YOU are one fucking asshole. YOU totaly missed the whole point that I was trying to bring across. If you had ANY common sence you would have realized I was defending what you were saying. To put it simpiler for you the point I was trying to bring across was: The pictures, and many of the ppls opinions are bassed or seen in one direction. I was merly trying to state that what they saw and heard is the MINORITY of muslims. I also admit to foolishly being confused between solcialism and communism it is communism that I dislike..I have yet to check into socialism.

wheaty
08-19-2005, 09:38 PM
Using your religion as a 'tool' to dominate the world, eh? Doesn't that kind of defeat the meaning of a religion? I don't know but anyways, anyone who thinks of their religion like that isn't really true to their faith anyways.
THANK YOU! And wheelchairman the relevance of stating the meaning of Islam is to show what the EXTREMESTS base their belifes on (other than many other misconseptions)

wheelchairman
08-20-2005, 05:26 AM
Wow YOU are one fucking asshole. YOU totaly missed the whole point that I was trying to bring across. If you had ANY common sence you would have realized I was defending what you were saying. To put it simpiler for you the point I was trying to bring across was: The pictures, and many of the ppls opinions are bassed or seen in one direction. I was merly trying to state that what they saw and heard is the MINORITY of muslims. I also admit to foolishly being confused between solcialism and communism it is communism that I dislike..I have yet to check into socialism.
I don't need or want your support. You can barely write a coherent paragraph. Your English is terrible, I assume you are British. And you were wrong in the points you were making. (like about Al-Jazeera for example.) An I really don't care about your opinion towards communism. Having you on 'our' side, certainly wouldn't help us.

wheaty
08-21-2005, 09:24 PM
I don't need or want your support. You can barely write a coherent paragraph. Your English is terrible, I assume you are British. And you were wrong in the points you were making. (like about Al-Jazeera for example.) An I really don't care about your opinion towards communism. Having you on 'our' side, certainly wouldn't help us.
Hahaha this is quite funny. 1)I am a proud CANADIAN. 2)If I support what you say it has to do with what you say not who you are. 3)I can write a paragraph fine mind you my spelling needs improvement but this is a little thing called the internet were gramer doesnt have to be perfect. The idea of communism is fine and all the power to you and your affiliates I just hope that if you do come into power u dont become curuped like most communists

RXP
08-22-2005, 01:18 AM
March 11 and July 7th were both direct consequences of going into an illegitamite war.




So they woudln't have bomb us if we hadn't gone into Iraq? haha.

Cejus
08-22-2005, 04:14 AM
They were planning to make the terrorist attack on Madrid since 2001, and there weren't any spanish soldiers at Iraq at that time. So the war thing is just an excuse.

DUNCS
08-22-2005, 03:45 PM
"Seriously man, Mohamed's first priority was Jihad (Holy war). It is written in the Quoran (holy book of islam) that you shall murder, assasin, torture and even BETRAY (which is the worst of all mentioned) ANYONE who does not belive and pray to Allah."

I don't beleive that, from muslims i've spoke to and have heard from translations of the Quoran(that was not translated by the Saudies) that anyone who worships god/allah can go to paradise and you're suppose to respect any that do, its only some dodgy new translations that say anything other than that, to my understanding.

Some one said that the crusades were a holy war, which they were, but it just goes to show how far the muslin faith has yet evolve if their having their having thier holy war now.

My personal view is that anyone that causes terror against innocent people in the name of islam are not muslim in my eyes.

You'll never see me convert to it though, i'm an agnostic, but it does appear from what i've seen that it is trying to take over the world, for that i'm pretty wary of it.

Cejus
08-25-2005, 01:55 AM
My personal view is that anyone that causes terror against innocent people in the name of islam are not muslim in my eyes.
But that's just your personal view, not THEIRS. Extreme muslims do believe that to fight against other religions is a must, 'cause they interprete Coran like this. So, what we think about them, or about non-radical muslims won't bring us anywhere and won't change anything, as long as extreme Ayatolas continue brainwashing their fanatic followers.

It's them who must change their point of view about Coran and Holy War, not us.

So, what I'm trying to say to those of you who argue that "Coran doesn't say anything about leading a Holy War", is that those terrorists won't stop killing just because you or some non-radical muslims say that they are completely wrong about the Coran. They're brainwashed, they won't listen to anything but to what they're taught to (=Holy War, Paradise, a lot of virgins, etc).

RXP
08-25-2005, 02:35 AM
muslims just want to have sex with virgins. If we just kept feeding the men virgins they'd be safe.

wheelchairman
08-25-2005, 03:24 AM
Yesm RXP, of course there would've been a terrorist attack. It's part of a cycle of violence that has been escalating for decades.

Cejus
08-25-2005, 05:26 AM
Yesm RXP, of course there would've been a terrorist attack. It's part of a cycle of violence that has been escalating for decades.
Sad but true. I wonder what could stop terrorists from leading Holy War... do you think there exists some solution for this worldwide problem? In my opion, they've gone too far, there are many radical muslims, it would be really hard to stop them. But one thing is clear for me: the eye-for-eye isn't resolving the problem so far (e.g. Iraq, Talibans in Afghanistan, Israel-Palestina...).

wheelchairman
08-25-2005, 06:50 AM
Who do you mean by they?

And fundamentalist religious nutcases are only numerous in societies low educational standards and a polarized class system.

Cejus
08-25-2005, 09:26 AM
Who do you mean by they?

And fundamentalist religious nutcases are only numerous in societies low educational standards and a polarized class system.
Oh, I meant radical muslims worldwide.

Yes, you are right about that one point ('polarized class system'). And the other point you're bringing out is interesting, too.

But how could we (or the goverments of such countries/societies) improve the education on such societies? It's all about education, so the values of freedom, peace and equality should be taught to muslim children since they were born. This IS the solution.

But in my opinion, nowadays this is a kind of utopia. Why? Just because some people (Ayatolas, and other extreme radical religious leaders) aren't interested in changing the education of their fellow citizens. For them, it's better to have deaf and dumb people who will make what they want them to do. So if their leaders don't want to change, it's impossible that those societies reach high educational standards. :(

RXP
08-25-2005, 09:29 AM
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DUNCS
08-25-2005, 03:07 PM
But that's just your personal view, not THEIRS. Extreme muslims do believe that to fight against other religions is a must, 'cause they interprete Coran like this. So, what we think about them, or about non-radical muslims won't bring us anywhere and won't change anything, as long as extreme Ayatolas continue brainwashing their fanatic followers.




From what i understand, it is the view shared by most non-radical muslims and i've heard that their message is starting to get through to the radical ones(slowly)

Cejus
08-25-2005, 03:23 PM
their message is starting to get through to the radical ones(slowly)
Let's hope so! :rolleyes: But I'm not sure about this; it seems like day after day there's more violence and hate and terrorism in the world :(

...What a fucked up world... O_o

Dead Cheerleader
08-25-2005, 07:06 PM
I mean, as the only religion that is has such a strong support for holy war, islam is the only fascist kind of religion/goverment (for example islamic states) that still exist

Oh you forgot Christianity/US.

wheaty
08-25-2005, 10:40 PM
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