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HornyPope
11-26-2004, 06:52 AM
I heard so many unblievable and most unique replies in the last topic that I decided to start yet another thread to discuss abortion. Please, share with us your opinion. Let us know how you really feel.

lousyskater
11-26-2004, 07:02 AM
i feel that it's the womans choice to have an abortion or not. no one else should have a say in it but the woman.

JoY
11-26-2004, 09:22 AM
WHAHAHAHAHAHA.

HornyPope
11-26-2004, 10:30 AM
Shut up, Joy. Give some room to the guy to share his opinion. I'm dying to hear what he thinks about abortion.

Please elaborate my dear lousyskater. I don't think I heard this particular argument before (it's amazing how many different stances on can counter on the topic of abortion, huh?) so i'll be thrilled to learn the pro and cons. Do tell.

RXP
11-26-2004, 10:45 AM
http://www.churchofeuthanasia.org/

For my views.

Also if you're pro abortion it means you're unpatriotic because you're consitution apparently upholds it. So being a pro lifter = terrorist.

JoY
11-26-2004, 05:58 PM
Shut up, Joy. Give some room to the guy to share his opinion. I'm dying to hear what he thinks about abortion.

Please elaborate my dear lousyskater. I don't think I heard this particular argument before (it's amazing how many different stances on can counter on the topic of abortion, huh?) so i'll be thrilled to learn the pro and cons. Do tell.
have the decency to mention me by my name, VLAD.

yeah, we're officially e-fighting now.

JoY
11-26-2004, 05:59 PM
http://www.churchofeuthanasia.org/

For my views.

Also if you're pro abortion it means you're unpatriotic because you're consitution apparently upholds it. So being a pro lifter = terrorist.
what?? no.

HornyPope
11-26-2004, 08:51 PM
I'm terribly sorry miss Ulmann. I shall do my utmost best so this incident never repeats itself.

Kitten
11-27-2004, 07:42 AM
I think in the end, it all comes down to choice and who owns a womans body. If she chooses not to allow a life to grow within her, fine, as long as it is within a certain time limit. ( i think its three months?)
That is in any circumstance, becuase if she accidently gets knocked up, its not only going to fuck up her life, but the childs as well. It is just going backwards to say that a woman has no dominion over her own body anymore.

JoY
11-27-2004, 09:24 AM
if I may suggest something.. sometimes drinking buckets of alcohol works too, so I've heard. it's supposed to dehydrate the womb & the fetus in it. also a kick in the stomach has been very effective in the past, according to several sources.

abortion is the safest option to get rid off your kid, but not the only one. if abortion isn't allowed, women (the extremely desperate kind) will seek other ways to pull it off to have the same effect.
& then the shit might just hit the fan.

wheelchairman
11-27-2004, 09:39 AM
The Cider House Rules is such a beautiful example of that.

JoY
11-27-2004, 10:15 AM
never read it. it sounds like there's alcohol involved. should I read it?

wheelchairman
11-27-2004, 10:19 AM
There's opium and morphine involved. Definitely good. So is the film.

JoY
11-27-2004, 10:20 AM
I'll look it up.=)

Little_Miss_1565
11-27-2004, 10:29 AM
\abortion is the safest option to get rid off your kid, but not the only one. if abortion isn't allowed, women (the extremely desperate kind) will seek other ways to pull it off to have the same effect.
& then the shit might just hit the fan.

Yeah, and then die of sepsis because of it.

JoY
11-27-2004, 10:40 AM
an infection of the blood stream?
I can't imagine how at the moment, but yeah, she could probably die from several causes.

saska de o...
11-27-2004, 10:52 AM
grr... abortion.. it' terrible ... :mad:

offsprung
11-27-2004, 11:14 AM
if the chick decided to do it, she should go through with it. unless it was rape, or if the mother is going to die or something. but, we should keep it legal. if it were illegal, women are gonna get it done illegally which could result in a death for the kid and the mom.

wheelchairman
11-27-2004, 11:20 AM
if the chick decided to do it, she should go through with it. unless it was rape, or if the mother is going to die or something. but, we should keep it legal. if it were illegal, women are gonna get it done illegally which could result in a death for the kid and the mom.
So women should have abortions unless they are raped or in terminal risk? hmmm

Not Ozymandias
11-27-2004, 01:00 PM
I want an ABORT CHRIST bumper-sticker.

JoY
11-27-2004, 02:55 PM
So women should have abortions unless they are raped or in terminal risk? hmmm
what I was thinking. HMMM.



Oz - if I'd had a bumper, man, I'd get the craziest stickers, I swear. XD
but that's non-topic-related, naturally.

Italia311
11-29-2004, 08:49 PM
If your man enough to bang yer chick...should be man enough to accept your own irresponsible actions. Abortion is wrong. Unless the chick was raped. Say what you want about my post...Its wrong..end of story. GO kill someone.

sKratch
11-29-2004, 09:05 PM
Congratulations on being the 83583583rd person to share that sentiment as if it has never been expressed before.

wheelchairman
11-30-2004, 12:26 AM
If your man enough to bang yer chick...should be man enough to accept your own irresponsible actions. Abortion is wrong. Unless the chick was raped. Say what you want about my post...Its wrong..end of story. GO kill someone.
Stupidity. If your only argument is 'end of story' and 'it's just wrong' then you should not be allowed to argue.

ThatOneGuy123
11-30-2004, 01:17 AM
its so fucking sad man them poor little babies

yummy yummy punkrockgirl
11-30-2004, 06:39 AM
i believe women should be given the choice. although personally i wouldn't because i don't think i could live with knowing i got rid of my kid.

Kitten
11-30-2004, 07:01 AM
its so fucking sad man them poor little babies

They haven't got the capacity to understand at the times that abortions are conducted (I think from conception to about 2-3 months)

Strider
11-30-2004, 03:36 PM
Actually, that's not a suitable reason. 'Twould be the same as killing people who are mentally ill.

wheelchairman
11-30-2004, 03:42 PM
In no way would it be the same. Mentally ill (depending on the form) have under-developed brains, not UNdeveloped brains.

Strider
11-30-2004, 03:44 PM
It would be the same in certain cases in which people have no idea what's going on, just like babies.

wheelchairman
11-30-2004, 03:46 PM
So let's get this straight. You find a sack of cells to be human? I mean, by that logic when you pop a pimple you are taking human life.

Strider
11-30-2004, 03:52 PM
So, you think a "sack of cells" is not human. Well it's not, indeed. But it has chromosomes programmed to become human. So it's the same.

wheelchairman
11-30-2004, 04:13 PM
So are sperm and egg cells. Do you find masturbation and Menstrual periods to be wrong as well?

JoY
11-30-2004, 04:28 PM
this conversation makes me laugh. LOUDLY.

XD

Italia311
12-01-2004, 08:22 PM
Stupidity. If your only argument is 'end of story' and 'it's just wrong' then you should not be allowed to argue.

You must have not read the whole thing than. Basically I think sex is a sign of love for another person...which is also a sign of maturity...if your mature enough to have sex..than you should be mature enough to except your irresponsible actions...lil boy.

Betty
12-01-2004, 10:34 PM
Since when does maturity = being able to take care of a kid?

I'd also like to ask since when does love = maturity... but I won't go there... cause I'm not sure about that one myself.

Kitten
12-01-2004, 10:51 PM
It would be the same in certain cases in which people have no idea what's going on, just like babies.

It is called an embryo. during this stage it has nothing to say that its like killing mentally disabled people. It is a chemical process at this stage and it should be the mothers right to decide if she wants it to develop further.

SicN Twisted
12-01-2004, 10:52 PM
Love should have nothing to do with anything. Basing policies on love is just as ludicrous as Bush's using evil to justify his foreign policy. Romantic ideas like love and evil are for literature and aren't practical on a government scale.

Kitten
12-01-2004, 10:53 PM
You must have not read the whole thing than. Basically I think sex is a sign of love for another person...which is also a sign of maturity...if your mature enough to have sex..than you should be mature enough to except your irresponsible actions...lil boy.

Love is not a sign of maturity. Anyone can feel that they are in love and still not be responsible or mature.

Trip Boy
12-01-2004, 11:54 PM
My stance on Abortion would be if I fuck a man in the ass I dont have to worry. If a slut gets a baby then she should run full speed into a wall many times, until blood drips down her leg from her pussy.

wheelchairman
12-02-2004, 07:02 AM
You must have not read the whole thing than. Basically I think sex is a sign of love for another person...which is also a sign of maturity...if your mature enough to have sex..than you should be mature enough to except your irresponsible actions...lil boy.
Oh yeah these were much better arguments. *exaggerated roll of eyes*

It is completely irrelevant what you think sex is a sign for. You have no right to tell people who they can and cannot fuck and when. If you want to do that then go become a catholic priest. Furthermore you can get pregnant even while using condoms. Even while using the pill, even after a vasectomy. Birthcontrol isn't perfect.

But when was being forced to raise a child when you weren't ready for it, the responsible thing to do? That's some serious backasswards logic. But then again, it appears that backasswards-logic has been the basis of your philosophy for a while.

Italia311
12-02-2004, 08:58 AM
I wasn't telling anyone to do anything...I was stating my arguement. But I guess its ok...hey..If my girlfriend gets pregnant, I can just blame it on birthcontrol..or the fact my condom didnt work correctly and just get an abortion...its not my fault...Its the condom/birth controls fault!! what do I carE? Oh and what I ment by maturity was...the older you get, Depending on the person..the definition of love could change..And probably will change. How can you compare 2 16yr olds saying they love eachother to say 2 55yr olds who been married for 25 yrs? And sex is a symbol of love...no?

Unnatural Disaster
12-03-2004, 04:48 PM
I think it should be the woman's choice on whether or not to have an abortion

wheelchairman
12-04-2004, 04:49 AM
I wasn't telling anyone to do anything...I was stating my arguement. But I guess its ok...hey..If my girlfriend gets pregnant, I can just blame it on birthcontrol..or the fact my condom didnt work correctly and just get an abortion...its not my fault...Its the condom/birth controls fault!! what do I carE? Oh and what I ment by maturity was...the older you get, Depending on the person..the definition of love could change..And probably will change. How can you compare 2 16yr olds saying they love eachother to say 2 55yr olds who been married for 25 yrs? And sex is a symbol of love...no?
Sex isn't a symbol of love, that's a ridiculous notion of the 1950's. Sex is a symbol of the chemical attraction between people nowadays, and you are just going to have to learn to deal with that. Because it's going to happen.

And that has to be the worst example of sarcasm I've ever seen. So let me get this straight, are you saying that birthcontrol is perfect all of the time? That is just stupidity. But omg shocking we get stupidity from you.

Mr. Noodles
12-10-2004, 09:14 PM
Abortion fucking sucks!!!!!!

Who ever believes it's right is just plain stupid!!!!

Abortion isn't right! You should be ashamed!!!!


Why would anyone think abortion is right?

For fuck's sake!!!! Just give the damn child to an orphanage!!!!

Geez!!!!!!!! :mad:



Why the hell do you have sex in the first place?

Ya know, if you do it for fun, then, just why?!

It's fucking stupid!!!! It pisses me off!!!!!

Damn you bastards to Hell!!!! Your damn bodies can rot there!!!!!!!!!

It's disgusting!!!!!!!!!!

You fuckers sicken me!!!!!!!!!!

FUCK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :mad: :mad: :mad:

Tired_Of_You
12-10-2004, 09:23 PM
Lol! Thanks for making me laugh.

midnightfire582
12-10-2004, 09:25 PM
It's totally a woman's choice. Andyou also have to think about all the circumstances. The high schooler who got pregnant for sleeping around without protection, even though she should have a right to choose, it's less understandable for her. But what about the 12 year old girl whogets raped and pregnant? It would be heartless to make her go through that and have the child. But I do believe that abortions should ONLY be in the first trimester. After that the baby's heart starts beating and it gets brain waves. But before that it has no thoughts, no heart, no anything.

Mr. Noodles
12-10-2004, 09:52 PM
You're welcome, Tired of You.

Any day! :D



I dare you to write something to make me laugh!!!!!

I DARE YA!!!

HornyPope
12-11-2004, 01:29 AM
Yay my abortion topic is active again. Time for new ones?

wheelchairman
12-11-2004, 04:37 AM
Abortion fucking sucks!!!!!!

Who ever believes it's right is just plain stupid!!!!

Abortion isn't right! You should be ashamed!!!!


Why would anyone think abortion is right?

For fuck's sake!!!! Just give the damn child to an orphanage!!!!

Geez!!!!!!!! :mad:



Why the hell do you have sex in the first place?

Ya know, if you do it for fun, then, just why?!

It's fucking stupid!!!! It pisses me off!!!!!

Damn you bastards to Hell!!!! Your damn bodies can rot there!!!!!!!!!

It's disgusting!!!!!!!!!!

You fuckers sicken me!!!!!!!!!!

FUCK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :mad: :mad: :mad:

Hmm another guy telling women what to do and not to do with their bodies. You suck.

Abortion is right. Orphanages are notoriously horrible places for children.

And everyone has the right to fun sex, why are you acting so puritan you jackass?

Yes hornypope, more topics.

midnightfire582
12-11-2004, 09:14 AM
Hmm another guy telling women what to do and not to do with their bodies. You suck.

Abortion is right. Orphanages are notoriously horrible places for children.

And everyone has the right to fun sex, why are you acting so puritan you jackass?

Yes hornypope, more topics.

I'm pretty sure he was being sarcastic

wheelchairman
12-11-2004, 09:24 AM
Then it was far too similar to the rest of the anti-abortions posts in this topic.

T-6005
12-11-2004, 10:28 AM
I think that abortion is right under certain circumstances.

If, say, the woman was raped, then she should not be forced to keep the baby.

I also think that women should be allowed to get rid of the baby within a certain period of time (this being before the baby's Central Nervous System forms... once this has happened, the result is what we might call the advent of consciousness or awareness, and at that point, you are killing a human being).

Mr. Noodles
12-12-2004, 04:48 PM
Hmm another guy telling women what to do and not to do with their bodies. You suck.

Abortion is right. Orphanages are notoriously horrible places for children.

And everyone has the right to fun sex, why are you acting so puritan you jackass?

Yes hornypope, more topics.

Hey!
I just don't believe in abortion.
All the other crap I wrote is just a joke, okay?

SicN Twisted
12-13-2004, 12:33 AM
Don't call anyone puritan, Commie!

wheelchairman
12-13-2004, 05:49 AM
I'll call people puritan when they base their views in line with judeo-christian systems of morals, anarchist.

SicN Twisted
12-13-2004, 09:59 AM
Then I'd better not catch you referring to any sort of childish fun as bourgeois decadence, and throwing painting in the fire, Commie!

wheelchairman
12-13-2004, 01:48 PM
I don't think I've ever use the term bourgeois decadence, and I don't have the money to purchase paintings to burn, anarchist.

SicN Twisted
12-14-2004, 11:31 PM
What a shame, commie. I guess you couldn't lead the revolution after all. You workers are incapable of exhibiting any kind of revolutionary thought, so you'll need to submit yourself to that bourgeois intellesensia Lenin was speaking of. It's the people that have money to buy painting to burn that control the workers, commie!

fuckoffanddie
12-19-2004, 09:00 PM
I can't speak for all women, but if i were one I wouldn't want my vagina to be property of the fucking government.

wheelchairman
12-20-2004, 08:02 AM
What a shame, commie. I guess you couldn't lead the revolution after all. You workers are incapable of exhibiting any kind of revolutionary thought, so you'll need to submit yourself to that bourgeois intellesensia Lenin was speaking of. It's the people that have money to buy painting to burn that control the workers, commie!
Ah so Anarchists are in the same league as Rousseau? The bourgeois socialist revolution lives on, anarchist!

SicN Twisted
12-20-2004, 11:37 AM
We don't neccesarily mind the bourgeois like you do. We don't need to force class distinctions to make class dissappear.

wheelchairman
12-20-2004, 11:40 AM
We don't neccesarily mind the bourgeois like you do. We don't need to force class distinctions to make class dissappear.
In other words you assume the working class and the bourgeois will work together to make each other wealthier? Gee who do I sound like?

SicN Twisted
12-20-2004, 12:40 PM
Nope, that's a rediculous right wing idea. I think in a state of anarchism, there won't be distinctions because nobody will own any property and workers will control their means of production, duh.

wheelchairman
12-20-2004, 12:54 PM
Nope, that's a rediculous right wing idea. I think in a state of anarchism, there won't be distinctions because nobody will own any property and workers will control their means of production, duh.
Ah yes after the great and glorious anarchist revolution, there will be no more class distinctions, and the bourgeois will no longer look back to the old days.

SicN Twisted
12-20-2004, 01:33 PM
They can still retain their culture. Most anarchists do also believe it'll be possible to accumulate wealth, as long as workers control their share of production. Anarchism won't destroy the bourgeois, it'll just destroy their power.

wheelchairman
12-20-2004, 02:06 PM
They can still retain their culture. Most anarchists do also believe it'll be possible to accumulate wealth, as long as workers control their share of production. Anarchism won't destroy the bourgeois, it'll just destroy their power.
Interesting, so what happens between the contradictions and antagonisms between these classes?
I mean, retaining their culture is one thing, however you think that will be enough? In socialist revolutions the bourgeois has never given up, even the crazy Cuban-exiles in Miami are still trying to overthrow Castro and get their plantations back despite the fact that the majority of Cubans in Cuba are terrified of them.

SicN Twisted
12-20-2004, 02:21 PM
The Cuban exiles are the offspring of Batistas cronies, they're basically slave owners that want to exploit Cuba for tourism like the rest of the Carribean. When I mention retaining bourgeois culture, I mean the bourgeois traditions of art, music, and literature that the Soviets tryed so hard to destroy. Daniel Guerin believes that workers solidarity and bourgeois individuality can merge to create one working artist class. Not all bourgeois culture is owning business and exploiting people - Leninist doctrine even declares that the bourgeois intellegensia must lead the revolution because they're the most qualified. Grand artistic traditions are almost entirely bourgeois, and they're worth preserving.

wheelchairman
12-20-2004, 02:28 PM
ah the soviet union merely became ultra conservative and clamped down on any kind of progressive artwork (which in my opinion is the only kind worth encouraging), Stalin himself enjoyed Ballet immensely, and I believe Opera as well. Under Lenin though, the Soviet Union approved of Avante Garde and progressive art. I don't think Social Realism was coined until Stalin took control.

But art, that's something that transcends class, most artists start out working class, rise up to be bourgeois, for example (and in the example of rock, they often go down to below working class again).

Marxism-Leninism isn't an enemy of the bourgeois in general, as you said there are bourgeois marxist theorists, what they are against is the the bourgeois who rule over the working class, the counter-revolutionary bourgeois, the ones against change. Surely the anarchist revolution will have a counter-revolution, that's the nature of things?

Vera
12-20-2004, 02:53 PM
I'm pro-death.

*interrupts your bourgeouis conversation*

killboybowerhead
12-20-2004, 02:58 PM
I think abortion sucks

wheelchairman
12-20-2004, 03:02 PM
I think abortion sucks
This isn't a poll, either find a post to argue with, or back yours up with why.

SicN Twisted
12-20-2004, 03:22 PM
The anarchist revolution will have counter revolution, but there will be no bureaucrats to institute thoughtcrimes. People will obviously be able to speak out about how they want power, they'll just no longer have means of consolodating it, since if the revolution occurs, that means the majority of people support it.

wheelchairman
12-20-2004, 03:36 PM
The anarchist revolution will have counter revolution, but there will be no bureaucrats to institute thoughtcrimes. People will obviously be able to speak out about how they want power, they'll just no longer have means of consolodating it, since if the revolution occurs, that means the majority of people support it.
People can change sides pretty quickly. Aborted revolutions are a good example of this.

What it also depends a lot on, is gun policy. Would you take away the people's guns after the revolution? I mean an anarchist society certainly can't allow some people to have the power to push others around, that would be wrong. You know as well I do, counter-revolutions don't need to have a majority to succeed. They often have foreign power behind them (Allende's fall is a good example of this.) And yes I do think winning an election democratically like he did, is a form for revolution.

SicN Twisted
12-20-2004, 03:57 PM
I don't know exactly what I'd do, since I don't allign myself with any specific division of anarchism. Some people believe that every last gun should be destroyed, and some believe that every single person should have a gun, which shows how some anarchists are right wing corperate libertarians and some even consider themselves Marxists. I'm not quite sure how I'd deal with the issue, my innovations go more towards how to structure the post revolutionary society, not on how to secure revolutionary power. I surely wouldn't supress any speech of any kind though.

wheelchairman
12-20-2004, 03:59 PM
But it is a difficult question. Personally, as a communist, and planning on the fact that I do think there will be a socialist state. I think it would be a necessity that every man have a gun. (I draw a lot of inspiration from the Black Panther Party on this one).

Cause, tendency has shown that socialist governments may not always work in the interest of the working class, so the working class should always be ready to institute it's own government. And yes I know I sound like those redneck militias in the midwest.

SicN Twisted
12-20-2004, 04:07 PM
Damn, now we're getting into gun control. Statistics show that the more gun ownership exists in a country, the more violent crime there is. That's just a statistic, you can't deny.

Are are you talking concealed weapons, or do you mean a Swiss type thing where everyone has access to an automatic rifle in case of invasion. Because that kind of thing I may support - I haven't given it much thought though.

wheelchairman
12-20-2004, 04:11 PM
Hmm not sure, I haven't really thought that far ahead on this. I'm thinking mainly on the basis of the Black Panther Party, that they used guns cause the police weren't ever gonna treat them correctly. However they made sure they acted firmly inside the constraints of the law as well. That's the kind of thing I'm thinking of. And of course education on guns would be necessary, it wouldn't be unrestricted access. It's a complicated issue, but I think guns are needed to prevent a state from abusing people.

SicN Twisted
12-20-2004, 04:13 PM
Of course. That's why I don't believe in a private corperate military. Every citizen should be a trained soldier, to protect themselves from either invasion to their own repressive government. This applies even more so in an anarchist or Marxist society.

wheelchairman
12-20-2004, 04:17 PM
Hmm I had just been wondering your view on this. I can imagine that the anarchist community would be deeply conflicted in this issue.

But then again, apparently Capitalist Anarchists exist, which is a truly ridiculous concept.

SicN Twisted
12-20-2004, 04:19 PM
Well, anarchism is not a political ideology. The only thing we all have in common is we don't believe in the State. It's anyone's choice as to where to take it from there. I hate to pigeonhole myself politically, but the closest thing I'd call myself is an anarcho-socialist.

Not Ozymandias
07-09-2005, 07:57 PM
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Endymion
07-09-2005, 09:37 PM
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