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Sin Studly
10-09-2005, 12:24 AM
If Goering kept bombing military airbases for four more days instead of switching the Luftwaffe's attention to British cities, the UK would have surrendered and joined the Axis. If the UK surrendered, the Americans would have sided with the Axis. The Axis would have then invaded Russia, and probably won.

What do you imagine the world would be like now if Goering kept the bombing up for four more days?

That Punk Kid You Love
10-09-2005, 12:31 AM
Well,I can certianly say that the world would be different. Mainly The Holocaust maybe would still be happening. The whole Jewish race would be wiped out,there would be more wars,alot less/more money in an economical perspective. Its really a so-so thing.

Sin Studly
10-09-2005, 12:35 AM
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bd007h
10-09-2005, 12:36 AM
If Goering kept bombing military airbases for four more days instead of switching the Luftwaffe's attention to British cities, the UK would have surrendered and joined the Axis. If the UK surrendered, the Americans would have sided with the Axis. The Axis would have then invaded Russia, and probably won.

What do you imagine the world would be like now if Goering kept the bombing up for four more days?

It doesn't matter, because it didn't happen.

Homer
10-09-2005, 12:39 AM
It doesn't matter, because it didn't happen.

it's a "what if?" question dumbass.

bd007h
10-09-2005, 12:40 AM
it's a "what if?" question dumbass.

I know. What If questions are pointless because it doesn't really matter. What happened, happened, and nothing can change that.

Sin Studly
10-09-2005, 12:47 AM
They're pointedly less pointless than pointing out their pointlessness.

Stop fucking crying and go away if you don't wanna play make-believe with us.

BREAK
10-09-2005, 12:49 AM
I wish we could've dropped the atom bomb on the English instead of Hiroshima & Nagasaki. I just like the idea of them being even further up our ass than they are already.

Sin Studly
10-09-2005, 12:52 AM
That's just not cricket, old bean.

(PS; it would rule!)

HornyPope
10-09-2005, 12:55 AM
Well that's what happens when you let morons in your cabinet. Hitler's entire staff was lacking subordination and direction, and it particulary showed in the crucial stages of the war. That's where Stalin beat him.

Nicole
10-09-2005, 02:11 AM
If they hadn't made that error I'm sure they would have made another one down the line. I do believe either way they weren't going to win the war. Their own propaganda let them down. Shit, somebody was going to bomb berlin at some stage and when it did the cracks appeared.

Mota Boy
10-09-2005, 03:20 AM
If Goering kept bombing military airbases for four more days instead of switching the Luftwaffe's attention to British cities, the UK would have surrendered and joined the Axis. If the UK surrendered, the Americans would have sided with the Axis. The Axis would have then invaded Russia, and probably won.
If a certain genome never mutated, life on land would've evolved ten million years later, and the concept of Nazis never would've come around, because dinosaurs would still roam the Earth.

"What if"s are for pussies. You have what you have, learn to deal with it. National Socialism never took off, unlike communism, which gained largescale support before succombing to capitalism, which reigns supreme. Ironic that Nazi's are so gung-ho about survival of the fittest in terms of races, but can't admit it when their system of government fails to survive the test. What a bunch of hypocritical fucks.

Nazis are pansies that fail in a world of survival of the fittest, so they dream up a world where they get rewared based solely upon race - where they don't have to do shit. Nazis are lazy pussy white trash that can't compete in the modern multicultural world.

memento
10-09-2005, 03:52 AM
Google that what if, it's been written about a million times.

Sin Studly
10-09-2005, 07:47 AM
No other system of government has been tested by taking on the entire world and being evenly matched, it's little wonder that German Nazism failed its test.

DirtyMagical
10-09-2005, 09:11 AM
"What if" questions are not always concerning the past... They could be asked about the future, in which case the different outcomes could be considered and discussed... so "what if" questions are not always useless/for pussies.

Pardon me for being irrelevant.=)

Sin Studly
10-09-2005, 10:28 AM
You're a dirty slavic.

HornyPope
10-09-2005, 12:39 PM
I don't mind the make-believe because i'm a huge fan of hypothetical questions and playing devil's advocate, so i'll continue to address the topic:

History shows that countries as a rule don't surrender until the land force steps in. England wasn't bombed out of the war, neither was Finland which saw Helsinki bombed for weeks, and neither were the Japanese (until the a-bomb)and years later the Koreans and the Vietnamese survived through rigorous years of heavy bombardement. The same is true today--and was much truer before when the aviation still wasn't the chief weapon. It takes a physical presence of the enemy to force a country to surrender, let alone co-operate. The English would have NOT allied themselves with the Nazis just because the RAF lost the battle in the skies. No way.

With this in mind, England would have fell only had the Wehrmacht stepped on British soil. But how long before that had happened? The Nazis would still have to sink the Home Fleet and any capital ships in the region, they would still have to secure La manche, they would still have to cross the canal and establish a front and send in supplies. How long would that take?

And what would the Soviets do meanwhile? Stalin was preparing an attack of his own, and if only he was given the oppertunity to put it in practice and catch the Germans with their backs to him fighting in England, he would swept through to Berlin and beyond within weeks, cut the German oil supplies in Romania (a vital element Nazi war machine wasn't able to survive without), harass the industrial centers that were now within bombing reach etc...

If anything, your analogy only leads to a quicker Nazi destruction. Not that there was a way around it. Hitler was doomed from ever since he attacked Poland. Germany hadn't stood a chance.

dalaksta
10-09-2005, 12:43 PM
i dont kno!!! ALL HELL WILL BREAK LOOSE!!! ill bet or something like that

Sin Studly
10-10-2005, 12:21 AM
Hrm, I was actually going for the make-believe of what the present would be like if the USA joined the Axis.

But I can see England surrendering simply because their arms industry was ruined, the English are almost as callow and weak as the French.

Paint_It_Black
10-10-2005, 02:39 AM
You went too far that time Studly, too far. Watch your back. No, fuck, wait, watch your front, I wouldn't attack from the back. Fuck.

Sin Studly
10-10-2005, 12:57 PM
At least the French have good teeth, you lime-slurping island-monkey.

memento
10-10-2005, 01:00 PM
Vietnamese survived through rigorous years of heavy bombardement

The bombing in 'nam was turned on and off like a tap by politicians who knew nothing of war in washington. Otherwise Aerial bombardment would have resulted in a surrender.

But indeed that's with the technology of then not 1940s.

Sin Studly
10-11-2005, 08:51 AM
Keeping in mind I don't claim to know or care much about the battle of britain, and was more interested in what society would be like had the nazis won (i'm assuming national socialism wouldn't have lasted till now), I thought you might be interested in this.

"Russia was never in a position militarily to attack the germans...they just had the officer purges caused by stalin...all the good men were dead and they only had a skeletal officer corp left....not a good base to launch an attack..

Now, the way Germany would have beaten Englad was via starvation.

This could have been EASILY achieved by investing in the U-boat campaign earlier on in the war, especially focusing on long range, rather than coastal, submarines.

The British surface fleet was fucking useless, because a surface fleet is only good for 4 things.
A) Attacking another surface fleet (The German surface fleet was shitty, so no)
B) Escorting convoys, and even then only smaller boats are able to target subs
C) Stop landing craft (Germans should never and would never have attacked with landing craft at this point)
D) Bombardment... and since the British weren't invading, this was also useless

Merchant ships were relied upon heavily for oil, food and heating. With the right U-boat campaign, England would have starved and surrendered.

While it is not likely that England would have joined Nazi Germany, George (who abdicated), was a known Nazi sympathiser, and, if he were installed as King (a likely occurrence by the Nazis), there was possibility of some English support.

If this occurred, America would have been nigh useless, as it would have lost a key staging ground and instead would have been forced to use North Africa, which was currently being taken down by Rommel.

The lack of England on the west would have allowed for a free flank and less pressure. Germany, if it weren't militarily controlled by Hitler against Russia, had the forces to crush Russia quite effectively.

Late in the war, due to the Stalinist purges, this was still possible, had Hitler not been primairly leading. However, at this point military strength was almost at a stalemate due to Hitler's faulty leadership in this regard.

Back to England and agriculture. While England did have some farms and such for sustenance, it is a well known fact that after a land has been heavily taxed for food, the crops should be allowed to rest for a season or two, or the land starts becoming far less effective. Hence, starvation with a successful U-boat campaign, would have been inevitable

Without the above pressures, Nazi Germany could have better focused itself on its nuclear technology, which was already effectively researching hardwater technology at the time. This would have easily decimated Russia and put American on its heels, starting an entirely different cold war situation between these two super powers.

Saying Germany's mistake was invading Poland is foolish. The largest mistake was making Stalin an enemy rather than an ally." - Some psychotic Neo-Nazi fuck that just got back from Iraq

Sin Studly
10-20-2005, 09:58 AM
The psychotic Nazi fuck would like an answer.