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Izie
12-02-2004, 04:11 PM
[Jesus on Izie's account]

As you may know (or not), on the 20th of november it was the 15th birthday of the United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child.

This is ratified by every country except the US and Somalia. And since we probably don't have anyone from Somalia here... i have a question for the Americans: How's it like in the dark ages, uh.... i mean : what reason is the government giving for not ratifying it?

Is it because the US government likes to:

-give rights to the unborn and not to born ones.
-execute juveniles
-use children for testing of drugs against the will of the child
....
Or do they give some other retarded reason or none at all.

thank you

Mota Boy
12-02-2004, 04:18 PM
[Jesus on Izie's account]
Is it because the US government likes to:

-give rights to the unborn and not to born ones.
-execute juveniles
-use children for testing of drugs against the will of the child



All of the above. As you may be aware, the United States' official policy towards children for the past thirty seven years has been "the fewer, the better".

Mota Boy
12-02-2004, 04:28 PM
And after a moment's research...

"As in many other nations, the United States undertakes an extensive examination and scrutiny of treaties before proceeding to ratify. This examination, which includes an evaluation of the degree of compliance with existing law and practice in the country at state and federal levels, can take several years or even longer if the treaty is portrayed as being controversial or if the process is politicized. For example, the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide took more than 30 years to be ratified in the United States and the Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Discrimination against Women, which was signed by the United States 17 years ago, still has not been ratified. Moreover, the US Government typically will consider only one human rights treaty at a time. Currently, the Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Discrimination against Women is cited as the nation's top priority among human rights treaties."

More here (http://www.globalissues.org/HumanRights/Abuses/Child.asp).

Evidently, plenty of countries have signed and ratified the treaty and then completely ignored it. It looks like it's a feel-good treaty that says "Children are so cute, aren't they? Let's all write down a list of things that would be good for them and put our names on it. That'll help those little rascals!"

It's advanced the issues of children's rights in countries where they did not exist previously, but for a country such as the U.S., I'm guessing that ratifying it would change nothing.

Revolver-2005?
12-02-2004, 04:43 PM
lol i turned 15 on the 25th...america sucks lol im leavin first chance i get

lousyskater
12-02-2004, 05:05 PM
well, the main reason i see for the american government(not amerca) not ratifying the UN is because the US government wants to police the rest of the world. the US government cant do that with something like the UN meddling like they do, could they? yep, our government sucks.

edit: oops, wrong subject.

Vera
12-03-2004, 05:18 AM
It's advanced the issues of children's rights in countries where they did not exist previously, but for a country such as the U.S., I'm guessing that ratifying it would change nothing.
Then again, no harm in ratifying it.

*shrugs*

Vera
12-03-2004, 05:19 AM
By the way, I shouldn't point out the obvious irony of a Belgian posting a thread titled "Fuck the kids!", because it's tacky, but yeah, when I first clicked on this I thought Izie had witnessed some serious paedophilia while in Belgium.

Izie
12-03-2004, 11:18 AM
By the way, I shouldn't point out the obvious irony of a Belgian posting a thread titled "Fuck the kids!", because it's tacky, but yeah, when I first clicked on this I thought Izie had witnessed some serious paedophilia while in Belgium.

To my knowledge, there are no more pedophiles here than anywhere else. The only reason Belgium is considered a "pedohile" land is because they had a big case with the one dude getting caught. And what about all of those in other countries don't get caught? Or convicted?

You do not want to know how many child abusers get away free in Serbia. Or how fast it's forgotten. Meh, this sort of thing makes me feel very very bad. I like the original topic better.

sKratch
12-03-2004, 11:25 AM
well, the main reason i see for the american government(not amerca) not ratifying the UN is because the US government wants to police the rest of the world. the US government cant do that with something like the UN meddling like they do, could they? yep, our government sucks.

edit: oops, wrong subject.
I'm going to have to go ahead and disagree completely with you, call you an idiot, and agree with Mota Boy.

Vera
12-03-2004, 12:11 PM
To my knowledge, there are no more pedophiles here than anywhere else. The only reason Belgium is considered a "pedohile" land is because they had a big case with the one dude getting caught. And what about all of those in other countries don't get caught? Or convicted?

True, but I was only saying that because of the reputation it has. Believe me, Finland has plenty of kiddie fiddlers. Recently we had TWO radio hosts arrested for kiddie porn and child molestation (sex with someone under 16) and one guy who worked on a tv-show where they basically traveled schools all over Finland.

Sick shit.

Izie
12-03-2004, 12:50 PM
True, but I was only saying that because of the reputation it has. Believe me, Finland has plenty of kiddie fiddlers. Recently we had TWO radio hosts arrested for kiddie porn and child molestation (sex with someone under 16) and one guy who worked on a tv-show where they basically traveled schools all over Finland.

Sick shit.

I know. the things I've read scare the hell out of me. They disgust me too, but scare me more. I have absolutely no idea how anyone can do anything wrong to a child. I don't think I can ever actually properly express the way I feel about all of that and... And damn. I might be a bit too touchy when it comes to kids. And you probably don't want to know how I really feel about child molestors. Because it's... Sort of against pretty much anything else I have ever said. And very unlike me :/ Very cruel, too.

Izie
12-03-2004, 05:06 PM
Evidently, plenty of countries have signed and ratified the treaty and then completely ignored it. It looks like it's a feel-good treaty that says "Children are so cute, aren't they? Let's all write down a list of things that would be good for them and put our names on it. That'll help those little rascals!"

[Jesus]
wooptidoo, that's just pointing out the obvious. The rights of the child is the most widely endorsed human rights treaty ever. That there are some countries that make it feel a feel good document is obvious, but it's a fact that it has improvement for children in most cases.

So that's a pretty idiotic objection...



It's advanced the issues of children's rights in countries where they did not exist previously, but for a country such as the U.S., I'm guessing that ratifying it would change nothing.

Nonsense, for instance it would stop the killing of childeren by the governemnt,the US is the only country that still does it (hell maybe north-korea). It would also stop minors from joining the army.

Although that would require the US to be one of the countries who doesn't ignore it and looking at US hitstory you're probably right. Can't expect much from for instance the same people who condemned by the World Court for unlawful use of violence (or international terrorism) in 1986 and then vetoed a Security Council resolution calling on all states to follow international law.