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Offspring7
12-09-2005, 11:47 AM
I really want to discuss this movie/maritime disaster. The whole time throughout the movie, you can recognize the people in the movie as actors, but if you really allow yourself to get into the movie, you can think of the fact that it actually happened.

The particular romance of it was fictional, but it draws you in. The movie appeals to action-lovers, romantics, music lovers(the score was fantastic), history buffs, and even to porn-lovers(the scene with the portrait-drawing). That's probably why its rated #1 among all movies for pulling in the most money. Not to mention the 11 Academy Awards it won.

If you look at it as history, this movie was pretty damn accurately portrayed. From the meticulous detail on the ship, to the sinking sequence of events. On April 12, 1912, the Titanic set sail for New York. On the night of April 14(my birthday), she hit an iceberg on account of the fact that Captain J. Smith ordered full speed ahead, hoping to make great time, despite the numerous iceberg warnings. Titanic sank in the middle of the North Atlantic, even though her nickname was "The Unsinkable Ship", leaving around 1500 people dead in the very early morning of April 15, with 2200 on board to begin with. There were not enough life boats to save everyone because they were called "a waste of deck space." It truly is sad.

When you focus on the romance of this movie, you are swept up in what may be the greatest romance ever written. Rose DeWitt Bukater, 1st class, falls in love with Jack Dawson, 3rd class, when he saves her from committing suicide. There is a problem though; Rose is engaged. Which brings me to one of my favorite quotes, "I'd rather be his whore than you're wife," in response to Cal, her fiancee, after he confronted her about their affair. She is put in a lifeboat only to jump out to be with Jack, because "you jump, I jump." When they go down with the ship however, Rose is kept alive on a floating door, and she survives, but Jack does not.

The sinking is recreated so dramatically that you have to grasp that it was, in fact, really that dramatic. They didn't have to add anything to make it more dramatic. According to historical records, only 1/20 boats came back to save the 1500 that went into the sea; only 6 were saved. 6. Out of one thousand, five hundred people.

I wish you've seen this movie, and that it affected you. Some people call it overrated, but I truly believe this movie is worth so much historically, and it is made into one you can sit down and actually watch. Boys might actually cry when they see this. I cried during the scenes in which Titanic is sinking, and theres the older couple holding each other on the bed while water rushes into their room, the way Mr.Andrews dies, the heroism of some of the officers, the mother telling her children a story to put them to sleep before they die, the way Captain Smith died, and last, but not least, Jack's death scene.

And the movie had the perfect cinematic ending; truly a masterpiece. I was very affected by the movie and the fact that a disaster like that was not made up, but real, and that is why I wrote all that.

Megs
12-09-2005, 11:52 AM
one scene that will always stick in my mind (not for the best reasons) but the part where the ship is going down and the man falls, hits the rudder and spins around several times in mid-air lookin like some kind of crash test dummy.

Dead Poetic
12-09-2005, 11:53 AM
Your post was kinda long so I didn't have the patients to read the whole thing, but I reallly enjoyed the movie the Titanic. Anything that makes me cry is good in my book, and I must admit I shed a few tears.

Endymion
12-09-2005, 12:06 PM
i saw it when i was in 7th grade for the tits.

i saw it again hoping it was actually a good film with i was 19 or 20. it was pretty shallow, and she's got ugly tits.

Offspring7
12-09-2005, 12:11 PM
i saw it when i was in 7th grade for the tits.

i saw it again hoping it was actually a good film with i was 19 or 20. it was pretty shallow, and she's got ugly tits.

Really? You didn't cry at all, or think the movie was fantastically made?

belen1979
12-09-2005, 12:18 PM
Jack dies??? Shit, I shouldn't have read this thread....

Nah, seriously, I liked that film and each time I see it again my tears start droping when the two old man a woman are lying in bed while water is getting into the room... Also the scene of the mother reading a story to her children... Both scenes make me cry a looooooooot...

Endymion
12-09-2005, 12:25 PM
Really? You didn't cry at all, or think the movie was fantastically made?

the cinematography was good, if that's what you mean; but i find many, many other movies far, far more moving.

Offspring7
12-09-2005, 12:31 PM
Belen, I know what you mean. Did anybody else happen to catch the significance of the photos in the end. All the stuff she told Jack she was going to do, horsebackriding like a man and flying were shown in the photos. It was almost nostalgic.

What I really like about this subject though, is that it is based on a real event. I got a chance to see the IMAX movie made about it, and that was more scientific, but I liked it. And to go with the movie, there was a display of artifacts and it sort of took you on a tour of what the rooms looked like, and had a fake, but real iceberg that you were supposed to put your hand on and see how long you could hold it on. Also, at the beginning, the ticket you got to go in was a replica of an actual ticket, with a nonfictional person's information on it. At the end, there was a list of survivors and those who perished that you were supposed to find the name of the person on your ticket. I died.

Anyways, yeah, I really like this movie, and to me, it is one of the most moving ones I have ever seen.

Megs
12-09-2005, 12:34 PM
godamn. the only part of this movie i actually cry is the bit where you work out for yourself that the old woman dies. and she's shown walking through the titanic, and she meets and sees all the people she knew who died in the sinking *wipes tear from eye*

Offspring7
12-09-2005, 12:38 PM
godamn. the only part of this movie i actually cry is the bit where you work out for yourself that the old woman dies. and she's shown walking through the titanic, and she meets and sees all the people she knew who died in the sinking *wipes tear from eye*

Yes, the truly cinematic ending I was talking about. She said, "I'll never let go, Jack," and with her death, it was true. She died an old, old woman, warm in her bed. That was my favorite part when I had the VHS version, and I would rewind and replay that same scene over and over again. I also liked the symbolism of the old woman throwing "the heart of the ocean" back into the ocean.

Megs
12-09-2005, 12:39 PM
you know what? i was going to buy a replica of that necklace a few years back. it is truly gorgeous

Offspring7
12-09-2005, 12:40 PM
It certainly is. My grandma bought me a mini replica of it since she worked at a jewelry store. I wore it all the time, but sadly I lost it, and I really wish I still had it.

Megs
12-09-2005, 12:42 PM
i used to have a really nice ring a bit like it, it had a topaz in the middle (the same color) and diamonds around it.

Offspring7
12-09-2005, 12:45 PM
Unfortunately, part of the reason I'm really sad I lost it was that it had a real sapphire heart, much smaller, with diamonds surrounding it.

Megs
12-09-2005, 12:46 PM
http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a87/MLloyd/titanicneck.jpg
and if the picture is big enough to see the full beauty, then
here (http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a87/MLloyd/titanicneck.jpg)
me wants one now! :(

T-6005
12-09-2005, 12:49 PM
I thought Titanic was like some huge cinematic masturbation session. I did not enjoy the movie.

As for it being one of the greatest romances of all time.... definitely not. Hate to break it to you, but there is absolutely nothing special about it, aside from some good catchphrases.

Sunny
12-09-2005, 12:50 PM
it was an alright movie. i dunno, the only time i cried was when you see the old couple embrace on the bed... they don't even try to run from the ship. it was the saddest thing ever. :/

leo di caprio is gross, which didn't make me like the movie any better.

Megs
12-09-2005, 12:55 PM
it was an alright movie. i dunno, the only time i cried was when you see the old couple embrace on the bed... they don't even try to run from the ship. it was the saddest thing ever. :/

leo di caprio is gross, which didn't make me like the movie any better.
very very good point. but that necklace is still gorgeous. i swear, whoever dates me next, will buy me that necklace or so help me god, i'll buy one with my crimbo money :D

Offspring7
12-09-2005, 01:05 PM
Eh, I loved it.

I really want to discuss not only the movie, but the actual historical event.

Like how could a tragedy like that happen? The mistakes that factored into it, and the lack of lifeboats. And how more people died because of the selfishness of the ones who survived.

And I totally agree Leo di Caprio isn't hot at all. Originally, they wanted to do the movie with Matthew McConaughey as Jack.

Megs
12-09-2005, 01:07 PM
it's real ghey. they didn't have enough lifeboats, and the only reason? they weren't nice to look at, and they "cluttered the decks"
whatevor

belen1979
12-09-2005, 01:12 PM
by that time they put the boats acording to how large the ship was, not the number of persons there were in... Laws... Bad done and thought laws... But at that moment, totally legal...

Megs
12-09-2005, 01:13 PM
and also, the beams/thingies at the bottom of the boat were too weak. that's why the boat "snapped" in half.

EDIT: i had to write a poem about the titanic when i was in year 7. i have it somewhere....

Vera
12-09-2005, 01:14 PM
Titanic is one of the few true epics made in Hollywood in the past 10 years or so. It completely swept me away when I first saw it and was 9 years old. I saw it many 4 times in theatres, which is nothing compared to the 12 times some of my friends saw it. What can I say? The grandeur, the romance -- I was completely stunned by this film then. Suddenly Kate Winslet was my favourite actress, Leonardo DiCaprio my favourite actor (and my first film crush, sigh). He's not hot anymore, though. In retrospect, he wasn't even hot back then. What can I say? Better than diggin' the BSB.

The main reason I still have fond memories of Titanic is because I haven't seen it in a long while. I think it might please me just because of the fond memories I have. Jack & Rose are one of the film couples that have become close to me as characters, whether I like it or not. Even when their story is typical with the poor-rich contrast, the jealous third person, the bitchy mother - all signs of a tragic romance, really. It's rather cliché. Actually, it's VERY cliché.

It'd probably fail to impress me if I was to watch it again now. I mean, it's not like it's really that remarkable as a film. I seem to remember Kate Winslet doing an excellent job with her role but Leo's probably had better roles before & since then (hear he's ace in the Aviator).

I think that films are how you experience them and for those of us who were that young then, this film was special then and probably is even now to some of us. So in that respect I totally understand Tiphani for calling it one of the greatest love stories of cinema history - to her it is that and I think when it comes to love stories, the emotional attachment is very, very crucial. If you feel a film and someone else doesn't, they can't tell you the romance is crap if it's special to you. The film might be crap but if you felt for the characters and their relationship, they had to something right, right?

Offspring7
12-09-2005, 01:16 PM
and also, the beams/thingies at the bottom of the boat were too weak. that's why the boat "snapped" in half.

EDIT: i had to write a poem about the titanic when i was in year 7. i have it somewhere....

really? i never knew that. Also, Titanic could stay afloat with 4 compartments flooded, but 5 were flooded and thats why it sank. Sadly, yeah, "gay" would be the correct term for the laws back then that could have prevented the disaster in a way.

Megs
12-09-2005, 01:19 PM
*giggles* i remember, the first time i saw her tits in the portrait scene, the first i said wa "mum, are they plastic?" it had never entered my mind at that age, that a grown woman would expose herself on film or tv

Offspring7
12-09-2005, 01:20 PM
I think that films are how you experience them and for those of us who were that young then, this film was special then and probably is even now to some of us. So in that respect I totally understand Tiphani for calling it one of the greatest love stories of cinema history - to her it is that and I think when it comes to love stories, the emotional attachment is very, very crucial. If you feel a film and someone else doesn't, they can't tell you the romance is crap if it's special to you. The film might be crap but if you felt for the characters and their relationship, they had to something right, right?

Beautifully said. And I was really into the actual history of it sinking, especially since it sank on my birthday. I was very emotionally connected, and I let myself be drawn in, which is why I love it so much. I saw it first when I was 7, and my mom was impressed I sat through the whole thing. After that, I saw it 21 times; no lie. Oh yeah, and for my 10th birthday, my parents got me a cake with a picture of the Titanic from one of my favorite kid's books.

nieh
12-09-2005, 01:32 PM
I really want to discuss this movie/maritime disaster. The whole time throughout the movie, you can recognize the people in the movie as actors, but if you really allow yourself to get into the movie, you can think of the fact that it actually happened.

No, it didn't. They made up a fictional story and made it happen at an actual place/event. The fact that it was the Titanic was in the background compared to the couple. Were the details of the ship accurate? Yes. Were the events on the ship (outside of the couple and almost all other characters with names) accurate? Yes. Did the ship actually sink? Yes. Did the band actually play as the ship was sinking? Yes. Did they take every possible opportunity to say "THIS IS THE TITANIC!"? Yes. But it was still such a minor part of the actual movie.

Vera
12-09-2005, 01:35 PM
They made a documentary about Jack Dawson because such a person actually was in the passenger list. I watched it and I think they tracked down the real Jack Dawson as some Irish ...sailor of some sorts. Am not sure. But that's where the inspiration for the story came from, I think.

Offspring7
12-09-2005, 02:00 PM
They made a documentary about Jack Dawson because such a person actually was in the passenger list. I watched it and I think they tracked down the real Jack Dawson as some Irish ...sailor of some sorts. Am not sure. But that's where the inspiration for the story came from, I think.

Actually, I think you're talking about someone named J.Dawson, but his name was Joseph, and he was a carpenter from Dublin.

Nieh, thats basically what I meant by it actually happened, was that the tragedy, did indeed, occur. It wasn't a minor part at all. James Cameron researched the historical event for 5 years, and recreated everything as accurately as he could, actually giving up his $8 million director's contract to portray the event accurately, no matter what the cost.

Offspring7
12-09-2005, 06:12 PM
The more I think about it, Sanni(i think thats your name) is absolutely right. Since I saw the movie at such a young age and watched it some many times, plus my actual interest in the event, it was more of an emotional attachment to the movie. The movie feels familiar to me; Like, everytime I watch it, i just know whats going to happen and I feel like I'm there. And I look forward to the scenes I know, especially if they're tear-jerker scenes. One I forgot to mention is when the lifeboat comes back, you see the dead woman with the baby in her arms. I cried then, too.

HornyPope
12-09-2005, 10:18 PM
Fark photoshop contest. Theme: What if movies had a smaller budget.

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