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sk8ter-hater
12-15-2005, 07:30 AM
Or not celebrate.
Do you celebrate christmas even though you're an atheist? Shame on you.

wheelchairman
12-15-2005, 08:12 AM
I celebrate Christmas.

It's not like Jesus was born today. or even around today. In fact, it's a pagan holiday adopted by the early Christians to convert.

oh how I miss Odin.

JohnnyNemesis
12-15-2005, 08:40 AM
Christmas is where we celebrate the birth of Best Buy, Walmart and Target, who freed the world of the oppresive ties we once held to evil "local business" and "family values". Heartwarming story!

EDIT: Oh, and I still think sk8ter-hater losing over 6,000 posts and being down to 6 when the spam threads were deleted is one of the more underrated forms of pwnage that's taken place on this BBS. Fuckin' hilarious.

Vera
12-15-2005, 08:55 AM
In fact, it's a pagan holiday adopted by the early Christians to convert.
Word. Most Christmas traditions in different countries have nothing to do with Christianity but ancient pagan customs. Christmas has never been a religious holiday for me.

Back in Black
12-15-2005, 09:05 AM
I celebrate how big my penis is.

Megs
12-15-2005, 09:09 AM
I celebrate Christmas.

It's not like Jesus was born today. or even around today. In fact, it's a pagan holiday adopted by the early Christians to convert.

oh how I miss Odin.
quoted for truth, jesus was apparently born in spring, so what's the deal with everyone thinking it's about his birth? ahwell, sorry if i've misunderstodd the whole point to it. as to what i celebrate, pretty much anything and everything "christian"!

BREAK
12-15-2005, 09:33 AM
I celebrate your death ecstatically.

Sunny
12-15-2005, 09:49 AM
I celebrate Christmas.

Nina
12-15-2005, 09:52 AM
I don't celebrate Christmas.
In fact, we dont celebrate anything except Persian NewYears, which is by the time you guys have your "easter". ppfff ;P

BATWT
12-15-2005, 10:09 AM
i celebrate christmas, i celebrate new years, i celebrate easter. none of which i celebrate for the right reason; i (like many others) celebrate the fact it's a week without working and a meant of guilt-free gluttony

wheelchairman
12-15-2005, 10:12 AM
I celebrate May 1st. It's awesome.

killer_queen
12-15-2005, 10:22 AM
May 1st is also a day when we celebrate spring in Turkey. It sucks.
And I don't celebrate Christmas, because I'm Muslim.

wheelchairman
12-15-2005, 10:23 AM
It's a labor day here.

BATWT
12-15-2005, 10:25 AM
it's 29 days before my birthday here....[/LAME]

barangatang
12-15-2005, 10:26 AM
I'm jewish, which means I celebrate christmas.

Punky Dudess
12-15-2005, 10:27 AM
I don't just celebrate the festivaties of Christmas; also the birth of Jesus Christ because I'm Roman Catholic, but thank goodness i don't have to trapse to church on the 25th. That would just be shocking.

notoriousdoc
12-15-2005, 12:30 PM
God sucks. Anyway, what the hell is Labour day? I've heard of it, we don't have it here though :confused:

SkunkIt
12-15-2005, 01:02 PM
I still celebrate Christmas. I love decorating and giving and getting gifts. :)

Vera
12-15-2005, 01:04 PM
It's a labor day here.
Here as well. Day of the workers! Or, the day for everyone to get pissed. Can't ever have enough of those.

original_prankster
12-15-2005, 01:05 PM
I'm agnostic, but I celebrate Christmas anyway. Woo, I guess.

the_GoDdEsS
12-15-2005, 01:14 PM
Christmas has become a commercial holiday, no matter if you're an atheist or not.

I'll probably shun it this year and drink. I don't want any Christmas now.

coke_a_holic
12-15-2005, 01:31 PM
Hanukkah and Christmas! *dances* I don't get as much as everyone does in each holiday, but I'm still uber lucky.

Megs
12-15-2005, 01:32 PM
the only thing i'm looking forward to at christmas this year is my new guitar *dances*

wheelchairman
12-15-2005, 01:46 PM
God sucks. Anyway, what the hell is Labour day? I've heard of it, we don't have it here though :confused:
It's the day that the working class chose for a day off, and fought for. And now everyone has it and the working class is kinda forgotten.

Human
12-15-2005, 01:49 PM
I celebrate Hannukah...it's fun...

Nirushika6789
12-15-2005, 02:34 PM
I celebrate Christmas ... I am a Catholic which is why

But really the real meaning of Christmas has been lost ... the youth of today don't care about the real meaning...

and yes I am one of those people :o ..I am a Catholic but I am not very religious

BREAK
12-15-2005, 02:40 PM
But really the real meaning of Christmas has been lost ... the youth of today don't care about the real meaning...


OK, thanks for the tip, Charlie Brown.

JohnnyNemesis
12-15-2005, 03:26 PM
OK, thanks for the tip, Charlie Brown.

Okay, so how can I show you how much I appreciate this post?

0r4ng3
12-15-2005, 03:29 PM
^ I think that's more along the lines of what Linus would say.

I'm unofficially atheist, but I celebrate Christmas, mainly because it's not a real Christian holiday.

Sin Studly
12-15-2005, 03:30 PM
I don't celebrate Christmas, but I use it as an excuse to drink until I puke. That is the real meaning of Christmas.

Sin Studly
12-15-2005, 03:30 PM
God sucks.

I'd agree if God made me as fat, ugly and stupid as he made you.

Sunny
12-15-2005, 04:46 PM
Ya know I've gotten so sick of people "boycotting" Christmas and people saying it's a commercial holiday and blah dee blah. EVERYTHING is commercialized these days, for the love of god. Christmas is only commercialized if you want it to be. It's only what you make of it. and this year I'm gonna try real hard to make it a wonderful and spiritual time.. because I feel it's what it should be.

and cynical people can suck my ass. ya heard it.. my ass.

JohnnyNemesis
12-15-2005, 06:08 PM
and cynical people can suck my ass. ya heard it.. my ass.

Hey now! I'm a really cynical person, and it's finally paying off!

thekidsarentalright98
12-15-2005, 06:11 PM
i celebrete christmas, most awsome holiday ever!

sKratch
12-15-2005, 06:37 PM
There are many many people for whom christmas is not a commercial holiday, but rather a very religious one. Yes, it was moved to compete with a pagan holiday, but it still serves the purpose of commemorating Jesus' birth. New Year's was moved to January (don't remember why) from April, so anyone who forgot was an April Fool. Does that mean New Year's is faggoted too?

0r4ng3
12-16-2005, 08:36 PM
I think that the concept of gift-giving should be a holiday in itself. There's Christmas, where you celebrate all the religious stuff, but then there'll be (insert holiday name here), where you give presents, but it's in no way related. That way, no one can accuse Christmas of going commercial, but you still get/give gifts.

killer_queen
12-17-2005, 03:40 AM
I'd agree if God made me as fat, ugly and stupid as he made you.
This is the truest thing I have ever heard.

TheUnholyNightbringer
12-17-2005, 08:50 AM
Ya know I've gotten so sick of people "boycotting" Christmas and people saying it's a commercial holiday and blah dee blah. EVERYTHING is commercialized these days, for the love of god. Christmas is only commercialized if you want it to be. It's only what you make of it. and this year I'm gonna try real hard to make it a wonderful and spiritual time.. because I feel it's what it should be.

and cynical people can suck my ass. ya heard it.. my ass.

Word. If you're gonna boycott stuff because it's commercialised you might aswell boycott sports, shopping, wearing clothes made of anything except hemp, watching TV, listening to the radio, etc etc etc.

BATWT
12-17-2005, 09:00 AM
Word. If you're gonna boycott stuff because it's commercialised you might aswell boycott sports, shopping, wearing clothes made of anything except hemp, watching TV, listening to the radio, etc etc etc.

quoted for agreement

Sunny
12-17-2005, 09:05 AM
Word. If you're gonna boycott stuff because it's commercialised you might aswell boycott sports, shopping, wearing clothes made of anything except hemp, watching TV, listening to the radio, etc etc etc.

preach it, brother. or, um, something like that. =p

TheUnholyNightbringer
12-17-2005, 09:09 AM
HEMP IS THE WAY FORWARD!

Can I get an amen to that?

BATWT
12-17-2005, 09:10 AM
i wouldn't have used forward to describe it but..

Italia311
12-17-2005, 09:24 AM
Pretty much all those holidays (Christmas, Easter...) have lost all religious meaning in my family. In the back of our minds we know its religious and we follow it to a certain extent (no eating meat) but it has really become a family celebration more then anything. Our family gets together, eats alot of food, Drinks and hangs out and yes we exchange gifts. Thats whats most important in our family. Being together.

Somehow I end up with new underwear and socks every year...

TheUnholyNightbringer
12-17-2005, 09:24 AM
Yup. The fact that my family's all together at Christmas is far more important to me than any religious meaning.

Vera
12-17-2005, 09:25 AM
HEMP IS THE WAY FORWARD!
Lolz that is where the pot comes from.

0r4ng3
12-17-2005, 09:30 AM
I think that the concept of gift-giving should be a holiday in itself. There's Christmas, where you celebrate all the religious stuff, but then there'll be (insert holiday name here), where you give presents, but it's in no way related. That way, no one can accuse Christmas of going commercial, but you still get/give gifts.
Quoted in case anyone missed it. Also, I need a name for this new holiday. How about, "GiftTronic"?

I had another idea, but apparently, "Decemberween" is already taken.\

Edit: Last year, I called it "Get Free Sh*t Day" (asterik included), so I'll go with that. Happy Get Free Sh*t Day, everyone.

wheelchairman
12-17-2005, 09:34 AM
I honestly don't think Christmas is commercialized. TUNB made the excellent point that it's no more commercialized than every other product in the world.

The only difference is the marketing around Christmas is trying to sell a feeling. So what? Christmas has nothing to do with Christ. You will celebrate it the way you personally *feel* it. It's a personal holiday. Personally I'm looking forward to it, I'm going to be surrounded by family and loved ones (and uninvited guests, like Tizz) and it's going to be awesome. We've decorated, it's cheesy, but then again cheesy is home and I love it.

the_GoDdEsS
12-17-2005, 09:35 AM
Hah, I want an uninvited guest. That was cute.

Christmas is overhyped, especially for those who have to spend it alonez.

Sunny
12-17-2005, 09:38 AM
I honestly don't think Christmas is commercialized. TUNB made the excellent point that it's no more commercialized than every other product in the world.

The only difference is the marketing around Christmas is trying to sell a feeling.

*all* advertising is trying to sell a feeling of some sort. :P

But I do agree that it's a very personal holiday.. cheesy decorations rule all.. and i'm looking forward to it myself.

Nina
12-18-2005, 04:34 AM
Personally I'm looking forward to it, I'm going to be surrounded by family and loved ones (and uninvited guests, like Tizz)

That's just soo cute.

wheelchairman
12-18-2005, 04:40 AM
*all* advertising is trying to sell a feeling of some sort. :P

Well that's not true. A lot of them bank on selling convenience. Or to get things to stick in your memory.

Tizzalicious
12-18-2005, 04:41 AM
Lolz, I'm uninvited :(

I can't wait until Christmas though.

Sunny
12-18-2005, 07:33 AM
Well that's not true. A lot of them bank on selling convenience. Or to get things to stick in your memory.

things stick to your memory because they make you feel. most advertising strategies I've come across include an emotional benefit/payoff. right now i don't think i can think of a campaign that doesn't base itself on a human emotion. what kinda campaigns were you talking about?

and selling convenience is selling feeling too, by either making the people feel that they deserve it, or making them believe their quality of life will improve with purchase.

wheelchairman
12-18-2005, 07:51 AM
Well then you're broadening the definition of feeling to beyond emotion and into pretty much any form of reaction that isn't physical (so anything short of orgasm :p).

Many kinds of campaigns base themselves this way. Car dealerships often just use a lot of flashing. Not that it's particularly effective, but when you throw numbers at people who don't have a lot of money, they tend to pay more attention. And it's not using fear, or the good ol feeling of coziness that surrounds Christmas morning. It does of course base itself on a *need*, that people want to save money. And yes saving money will have the reaction that people will feel happy saving money. But they aren't marketing on that, they are marketing on a logical and rational decision. (whether we think it's logical or not.)

JoY
12-18-2005, 07:56 AM
I'm going to celebrate Christmas. it won't be any different than any other year, except that I'm not entirely used to not having my grandfather around. plus, I'm not going to give a Christmas-concert this year. plus, my mother suddenly came up with the plan to visit a Protestant church. I'm not sure if I'll come. *shrugs* another Christmas. nothing can make it special, except the butterflies of seeing, feeling, smelling, tasting snow & wintery feelings with open fireplaces. & of course skiing in my little paradise on earth with my Cookie.

Mentally_Challenged
12-18-2005, 08:04 AM
I'm a Christian, so yeah. I celebrate christmas.

Sunny
12-18-2005, 08:05 AM
Well then you're broadening the definition of feeling to beyond emotion and into pretty much any form of reaction that isn't physical (so anything short of orgasm :p).

Many kinds of campaigns base themselves this way. Car dealerships often just use a lot of flashing. Not that it's particularly effective, but when you throw numbers at people who don't have a lot of money, they tend to pay more attention. And it's not using fear, or the good ol feeling of coziness that surrounds Christmas morning. It does of course base itself on a *need*, that people want to save money. And yes saving money will have the reaction that people will feel happy saving money. But they aren't marketing on that, they are marketing on a logical and rational decision. (whether we think it's logical or not.)

true, however, it appears to me that more campaigns rely on a more emotional/atmospheric aspect on the product than they rely on the tangible qualities of the product itself.

but yeah, i do see what you mean... and companies around Christmas do sell a lifestyle/feeling that's very specific to the season. what i was kinda getting at is that a lot of advertising (be it for cereal, axe deodorant or chocolate, year round) also tries to create an environment and a feeling you can relate to, and will want to buy into.

wheelchairman
12-18-2005, 08:09 AM
Well it depends on the product. If it is the dominant product in it's own market, then usually they try to sell on the feeling that they try and associate with the brand. If it's a competing product, that is not dominant then they try and market to a different niche or whatever. Like marketing as a good bargain in comparison. Or the opposite direction, and marketing as superior quality (which you then also pay for...)

Camilamazed
12-18-2005, 09:37 AM
I do celebrate Christmass. It`s very special to me. Speaking of Christmass it reminds me that it was at Christmass time I joined the forum...

=D

JoY
12-18-2005, 09:57 AM
double celebration for Cammie. ;D

Camilamazed
12-18-2005, 09:59 AM
double celebration for Cammie. ;D


Yeah ;D

Too short thing

Sowhat
12-22-2005, 04:50 AM
I don't celebrate any "days". The fact that the Earth has circled the sun doesn't mean shit to me in terms of what I should celebrate. If something is important enough for me to celebrate it, then why not be happy about it every day? Why leave it to some arbitrary day set by a ball of dirt circling a ball of burning hydrogen?

ninthlayer
12-22-2005, 05:32 AM
Jehovah's Witness

Sowhat
12-22-2005, 06:12 AM
*shudders*

TheUnholyNightbringer
12-22-2005, 06:14 AM
I don't celebrate any "days". The fact that the Earth has circled the sun doesn't mean shit to me in terms of what I should celebrate. If something is important enough for me to celebrate it, then why not be happy about it every day? Why leave it to some arbitrary day set by a ball of dirt circling a ball of burning hydrogen?

Christ, that's an incredibly narcissistic view. Honestly, sometimes I think people try and find reasons to be miserable.

0r4ng3
12-22-2005, 06:18 AM
I think it's more of a guilt thing. Or, they just say stuff like that to try to be cool.

TheUnholyNightbringer
12-22-2005, 06:20 AM
I think it's more of a guilt thing. Or, they just say stuff like that to try to be cool.

I think the latter. I mean, christ, if you want to take that view, heat's just something created by that big burning ball, so just freeze to death.

Sowhat
12-22-2005, 06:23 AM
Christ, that's an incredibly narcissistic view. Honestly, sometimes I think people try and find reasons to be miserable.
You're confusing narcissistic with realistic.

And I never said anything about being miserable, I simply said that being happy about something or expressing your joy over said thing should not be constricted to a certain date.

TheUnholyNightbringer
12-22-2005, 06:33 AM
Wtf? Your birthday's restricted to one day, do you choose not to celebrate that either?

Stuff kind of has to be constricted to a date or.. zing.. people would celebrate it at different times.

Sowhat
12-22-2005, 06:35 AM
Why celebrate a birthday? Why not celebrate a birth six months? Or any other amount of time? What does time matter?

0r4ng3
12-22-2005, 06:37 AM
Woah, what's with all this Matrix talk? Do you celebrate anything at all?

TheUnholyNightbringer
12-22-2005, 06:37 AM
In that case, why get up in the morning? Why call it a Thursday? Why eat? WHY DO ANYTHING?

For a start it helps people to have a little JOY in their lives. There's more pressure in the world now than there ever was. It's nice to have days where you can say "right, today I'm gonna have fun, cos I don't have anything else to do and I CAN."

Jees, how the hell do you carry on existing with that attitude?

Sowhat
12-22-2005, 06:40 AM
I celebrate and enjoy things. But I don't see the need to constrict such things to a certain day based entirely on the position of the Earth. If I'm happy for whatever reason, I'll damned-well celebrate it every day.

What I'm saying is, a date is arbitrary.

TheUnholyNightbringer
12-22-2005, 06:58 AM
Christmas is a strange example to use because the roots of it are far more than the position of the Earth. New Year's Day or whatever, fair enough.

But still, the fact remains that stuff has to happen on a certain day. Festivals can't just randomely happen. They have to happen on certain days or everyone'll celebrate it at different times.

Eesh, lighten up.

Sowhat
12-22-2005, 07:22 AM
Christmas is a strange example to use because the roots of it are far more than the position of the Earth.
And what are the roots of it? It's an anual event, are you suggesting that the fact that it happens once a year on the same date is a coincidence?

Consequently, Christmas isn't Jesus's birthday. It's a made up date, because no one actually knows his birthday.


But still, the fact remains that stuff has to happen on a certain day. Festivals can't just randomely happen. They have to happen on certain days or everyone'll celebrate it at different times.
Why once a year? What's the significance of 356.25 days? I understand setting a day asside to celebrate this or that, but it's really not important. For example, birthdays are about letting someone you care about know that you love them. If I see something and think, "Ooo! I know who would like that!", then I buy it for them. I think that holds much greater significance than thinking, "it's soandso's birthday, I have to find a gift for them".


Eesh, lighten up
I'm not in any way stressed over it. I don't know what gave you that impression.

alistair13
12-22-2005, 11:16 AM
I don't celebrate Christmas.
In fact, we dont celebrate anything except Persian NewYears, which is by the time you guys have your "easter". ppfff ;P

hey! you celebrate persian new year, too? heck, yes.

Yeah, I celebrate christmas, too.

Psyco_girl
12-22-2005, 01:46 PM
I celebrate christmas Eve, but its just an excuse to have a big dinner and after that going to parties all night long. I (and most of the ppl i know) certenly dont celebrate Jesus' born.

darko
12-22-2005, 01:50 PM
christmas
new year
Birthdays