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kami_mathieu
12-28-2005, 05:01 AM
as everyone seems to be bored, I'll trow in a ridle.
picture this:

there are 5 pirates on a deserted island somewhere, they just robbed a ship and went to the island to devide the money between them.
the box they have contains 100 gold pieces.

these are the rules they agread on to devide the money:
-pirate 1 makes a sugestion.
-all 5 pirates (so pirate 1 included) vote on the sugestion.
-if the sugestion wins half or more of the votes, they devide the money in the way sugested by pirate 1.
-if the sugestion doesnt win half or more of the votes, the pirates kill pirate 1 (so there will be 4 pirates left) and pirate 2 gets to make a sugestion. (if they vote against his sugestion they kill him and pirate 3 gets to make a sugestion)
-this goes on untill they agrea on the way the money is devided.

keep in mind that all pirates want to make as mutch money as possible and they all want to stay alive.

now picture that you are pirate 1, what sugestion would you make to divide the money?

(there is a way to stay alive and still walk away with the most money)

shooting the other pirates is not an option by the way.

Sowhat
12-28-2005, 05:16 AM
Suggest that you get 34 pieces, pirate 2 gets 33 and pirate 3 gets 33... pirates 4 and 5 get nothing.

kami_mathieu
12-28-2005, 05:48 AM
so 4 and 5 would vote against you.

but pirate 2 would think: if I vote against, there will be more money to devide. so if he would use your technique, he'll earn more money by voting against you. (your dead)

T-6005
12-28-2005, 06:41 AM
so 4 and 5 would vote against you.

but pirate 2 would think: if I vote against, there will be more money to devide. so if he would use your technique, he'll earn more money by voting against you. (your dead)
If he used the same technique, he'd still have to include 3 people to make sure of a majority. So he'd only get one more piece of gold. It hardly seems worth it.

BATWT
12-28-2005, 09:26 AM
Say that you will sacrifice your cut of the loot and that the other 4 should fight to the death to decide who gets the money. This should leave 1 other pirate left, and he (or she, but it'll be a he) will be left extremely tired and possibly badly wounded.

Then it's just up to you to take the money and run away as you still have your health and energy.

Solved.

kami_mathieu
12-28-2005, 10:10 AM
maybe I wasnt clear about this but you can vote for youreself too, so you would only have to include 2 people.

endlesst0m
12-28-2005, 10:28 AM
half or more of the votes? how can it be half if theres 5?

kami_mathieu
12-28-2005, 10:31 AM
becouse when you are dead, there wil be 4 pirates left. so when the second pirate has to make a sugestion, he has enough votes when he can get one of the others to vote for him.

endlesst0m
12-28-2005, 11:15 AM
i can't even begin to arrive at a solution...im really curious to know the answer!

i say when it gets to 5 pages you give out the answer...

kami_mathieu
12-28-2005, 12:25 PM
i can't even begin to arrive at a solution...im really curious to know the answer!

i say when it gets to 5 pages you give out the answer...

deal, but I'll give a hint on how you should think: start by thinking if there where only 2 pirates, what would you do then? (then 3 pirates then 4, and then you should know the answer)

endlesst0m
12-29-2005, 12:18 AM
my brain hurts. would it work to split the gold evenly between me and two other pirates?

Homer
12-29-2005, 01:05 AM
You need two other votes so, give yourself 34, and two other pirates 33 each. That's what I say.

I tried doing the backwards thing, and this is what I came up with.

P4---P5
100--0

P3---P4---P5
50---50---0

P2---P3---P4---P5
50---50---0----0

and that's where I stopped.

kami_mathieu
12-29-2005, 01:26 AM
my brain hurts. would it work to split the gold evenly between me and two other pirates?

no, becouse when you do that they would think that if you are dead they would make more money if pirate 2 diveded the money between 2 other pirates.


You need two other votes so, give yourself 34, and two other pirates 33 each. That's what I say.

I tried doing the backwards thing, and this is what I came up with.

P4---P5
100--0

P3---P4---P5
50---50---0

P2---P3---P4---P5
50---50---0----0

and that's where I stopped.

same for you, there is just les people to devide the money on if you are dead.
so thats what they would vote. (sry homer, youre a dead man)

Homer
12-29-2005, 01:33 AM
Well that doesn't make any sense. If they can porfit from killing the first pirate, then they'll kill him with any offer. It's probably just a trick question.

kami_mathieu
12-29-2005, 01:43 AM
no, its not a trick question, there is a working solution to the problem (wich I wil give after about 5 pages). till then, work those brains!!

Homer
12-29-2005, 01:48 AM
Well, I gotta know the solution... so yeah... I might aswell keep posting. But what I don't get is, that if I give the two pirates that I need the votes from the most money possible, then wouldn't that be a good enough solution? Otherwise, I'd just be going lower in the number which wouldn't make much sense, since there's no reason to risk your life with one gold piece.

kami_mathieu
12-29-2005, 01:51 AM
its not even all about the amount of gold you give the others, its more about the explanation you give with it ;) .

Homer
12-29-2005, 01:57 AM
34, 33, 33

and then say that we need 3 people to work the boat?
I can smell that page #5.

kami_mathieu
12-29-2005, 02:03 AM
34, 33, 33

and then say that we need 3 people to work the boat?
I can smell that page #5.

nice try, yet still a dead man.

Homer
12-29-2005, 02:13 AM
HA! I got it!

P1---P2---P3---P4---P5
97---1----0-----2----0

backwards

P4---P5
100--0 P5's dead anyways

P3---P4---P5
100--0----0 P5 accepts or he's dead

P2---P3---P4---P5
98---0----1-----1 P3's dead, but for P4 and P5 1's better than nothing.

P1---P2---P3---P4---P5
97---1----0-----2----0 give P2 1 (or he gets nothing) and give P4 2 or they'd get only one anyways.

So in conclusion: pwnage.

EDIT: I think I might've explained it wrong... because it's 3:15am here, so yeah.

kami_mathieu
12-29-2005, 02:16 AM
your deffinately thinking the right way now, but the answer is still wrong. (migh be that you explained it wrong, but I dont think so)

Homer
12-29-2005, 02:23 AM
P4---P5
100--0 P5's dead anyways

P3---P4---P5
100--0----0 P5 accepts or he's dead

P2---P3---P4---P5
98---0----1-----1 P3's dead, but for P4 and P5 1's better than nothing.

P1---P2---P3---P4---P5
97---0----1-----2----0 give P3 1 (or he gets nothing) and give P4 2 (or he gets only 1), and P5 can just fuck off.

Pwnage?

kami_mathieu
12-29-2005, 02:48 AM
you are verry verry close, but I have to go now. so keep trying.
I'll be back around 19.00 (its now 10.48 here).

endlesst0m
12-29-2005, 03:55 PM
i can't damn figure it out. if this is some trick question then im gonna be pissed.

kami_mathieu
12-30-2005, 12:58 AM
and again I say: it's not a trick, I swear.

Drummerguy123
12-30-2005, 01:12 AM
I know! You throw the gold at the pirates, hitting them in the head and knocking them out. While unconcious, you stab them in the face and run away with the gold!

Okay, I'm completely clueless as to what the answer is. *sucks thumb*

the_GoDdEsS
12-30-2005, 02:12 AM
Spelling bee alert mutch?

endlesst0m
12-30-2005, 06:08 PM
i gotta bump this, because i want to know the answer.

i'm all out of guesses though...

All About Eve
12-30-2005, 06:19 PM
This thing isn't going to last 5 pages, much less 2. Just tell it.

endlesst0m
12-30-2005, 06:26 PM
This thing isn't going to last 5 pages, much less 2. Just tell it.

well, its already at almost 4 pages now, but i really would rather just know the answer to it anyway. i have no idea what it could be.

All About Eve
12-30-2005, 06:28 PM
It's on first page for me; I have 40 per page.

H1T_That
12-30-2005, 06:29 PM
i fucking hate pirates.

ok, picture this...all 5 pirates sittng around deciding, a US satellite spots them plotting on the beach, george w bush gets angry that we wasnt included in the pirate game, meanwhile pirate 1 goes off to take a piss, bush uses the satellite to blow the other pirates away, pirate one returns and walks away with the cash.

am i right?

Original prankstA
12-30-2005, 06:34 PM
i wish i was a pirate

H1T_That
12-30-2005, 06:36 PM
i wish i was a pirate

lol, why?, they generally have one leg and one eye

endlesst0m
12-30-2005, 06:37 PM
It's on first page for me; I have 40 per page.

for me its like 3 posts away from page 5...

Original prankstA
12-30-2005, 06:42 PM
lol, why?, they generally have one leg and one eye
even so they're totally badass

0r4ng3
12-30-2005, 06:47 PM
even so they're totally badass
pfft, everyone knows that ninjas are better than pirates.

Original prankstA
12-30-2005, 06:50 PM
pfft, everyone knows that ninjas are better than pirates.
didn't think of that, i'd have to be a ninja/pirate

All About Eve
12-30-2005, 06:59 PM
pfft, everyone knows that ninjas are better than pirates.

Are you gay? Ninjas follow a code and everything, where as pirates do whatever they want. Pirates > ninjas.

0r4ng3
12-30-2005, 07:01 PM
What are you talking about? Pirates have a code, even if it is more like guidelines. Also, a ninja could take out an entire ship of pirates.

All About Eve
12-30-2005, 07:04 PM
Pft, the pirates would just fire a cannonball through your ninja. See this scenario: A ninja chops a pirate's leg off, but what do you know! It was wooden! Taken back by shock, the pirate hacks his head off with a cutlass.

endlesst0m
12-30-2005, 07:05 PM
What are you talking about? Pirates have a code, even if it is more like guidelines. Also, a ninja could take out an entire ship of pirates.

Ninja's are trained to fight. Pirates are not. End of discussion.

0r4ng3
12-30-2005, 07:07 PM
Pft, the pirates would just fire a cannonball through your ninja. See this scenario: A ninja chops a pirate's leg off, but what do you know! It was wooden! Taken back by shock, the pirate hacks his head off with a cutlass.
That may happen, but only a n00b ninja would go for the leg of a pirate, when it's a widely believed fact that many pirates have wooden legs.

endlesst0m
12-30-2005, 07:08 PM
Where's the fucker that started this thread? I want my answer.

All About Eve
12-30-2005, 07:10 PM
Too bad their eyes are gone too, you can't blind them any worse! And all ninjas are n00bs, that's why they're ninjas afterall.

kami_mathieu
12-31-2005, 03:15 AM
heres the fucker that started this thread, I'm gonna take a shower, when I'm done, I'm gonna take the time to type out the answer, so be patient.

kami_mathieu
12-31-2005, 03:51 AM
the long awaited answer:

situation one: there is only one pirate (pirate 5)
pirate 5 gets 100 gold.

situation two: there are two pirates (pirate 4 and 5)
pirate 4 sugests he (pirate 4) gets 100 gold and pirate 5 gets nothing, he votes for himself and therefore has half the votes.

situation three: there are three pirates (pirate 3, 4 and 5)
pirate 3 says to pirate 5: in the situation that I (pirate 3) am killed, then you (pirate 5) would get no money at all, so pirate 3 sugests that he (pirate 3) gets 99 gold and pirate 5 gets 1 gold. pirate 5 would think that 1 gold is better then no gold at all and votes in favour of the sugestion, pirate 3s sugestion has more than half of the votes.

situation four: there are four pirates (pirate 2, 3, 4 and 5)
pirate 2 offers pirate 4 one gold and says: in the situation that I (pirate 2) am killed, you have no chance at all to get anny money, so pirate 4 thinks 1 gold is better than no gold at all and votes in fovour. (again winning pirate 2 half of the votes when you include his own)

our situation: there are five pirates (pirate 1, 2, 3, 4 and five)
this is where it gets a bit tricky, couse you have to win 2 votes.
but when you look backa t the other sugestions you sed that when you are killed, pirate 3 and 5 would get no money at all. so when you offer pirate 3 and 5 a gold each (you youreself keeping 98 gold) they would have to vote in favour of you becouse that is the only chance they have to earn more then 0 gold.

so the solution is: pirate
1-- 98 gold
2----0 gold
3----1 gold
4----0 gold
5----1 gold

there you have it, you walk away a rich, happy and living pirate.

ermdevi@tion
12-31-2005, 05:25 AM
so when you offer pirate 3 and 5 a gold each (you youreself keeping 98 gold) they would have to vote in favour of you becouse that is the only chance they have to earn more then 0 gold.


Surely it isn't their only chance to earn gold. After all, they don't die if the suggestion is defeated, only you do.

They could all vote against pirate one (you) and have an agreement to split it 4 ways on the next vote. The commie pirate alternative.

Edit: I guess in your solution you're assuming all pirates are ultimately greedy and will not accept anything other than the maximum amount of gold possible?

kami_mathieu
12-31-2005, 09:40 AM
yes, they all want to earn as mutch gold as possible, so when chosing between the 25 gold method and the 99 gold method is easy for pirate 2.

kami_mathieu
12-31-2005, 10:07 AM
Ninja's are trained to fight. Pirates are not. End of discussion.

ninjas are trained to kill, not to fight (discussion started... or reopened..
or something... watever!)

pirates own ninjas, ninjas are dead now and pirates are still around.