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>:->
01-15-2006, 10:06 PM
Years and years ago, when I was young and punk, I was exactly that: young and punk. I had just gotten into the music and the style, and I rejoiced in my new found love. I bought the records, I wore the shirts, and I sported the attitude. I proclaimed my punkness in everything I did, and it felt good to be outside mainstream middle school society.

Then for a while, mostly in high school, I developed the attitude that being visibly punk was a bad thing. "Why do they need to color their hair? I don't need a million studs on my jacket. Why are their boots so tall?" These are the questions and statements that I utterred. I saw outward punkness at cliche and rather pretensious. Consequently, I drew my punkness within myself and enjoyed the music without advertising my taste to the outside world.

Nowadays, I once again rejoice in my outward punkness, although to a milder degree. I do not attempt to enlighten the likes of those who I know will never understand the subject, but I do look the part from time to time. I've got the jacket (but without the spikes) and the boots, and I'm quite comfortable with admitting, "Yeah, I guess I'm a punk." The further I ventured into hardcore punk, the more prevalent this attitude became. The way I figure it is: yes, we are a community. And as a community, we have formed our own style and we should rightly embrace it. I feel good.

Has anyone else traveled this course?

Of course, if punk isn't your thing, that's perfectly cool.

coke_a_holic
01-15-2006, 10:12 PM
There's this punk kid at my school who I tried to be similar to (last year). He listened to bands like the Misfits, the Dead Kennedys, etc while I listened to Offspring, Green Day, and AFI. I said a lot of stupid things regarding the music I listened to at the time, and when I got into the music he liked, about that.

This year, I kinda felt like I left the wrong impression on him, and I kinda want to say something. But, then I realize that I don't really care and don't bother. Oh well, I think the punk community has gone downhill, I'd rather listen to what I like than have to listen to the same type of music and be all elitist about it. *shrugs*

>:->
01-15-2006, 10:25 PM
There's nothing inherently elitist about punk. That's just a stigma that outsiders or poseurs have attempted to stamp upon the community.

Donít want our scene to be exclusive. We want everyone involved.
-The Pist, "Alternative?"

T-6005
01-15-2006, 10:27 PM
I am not punk, have never been, and will probably never have any desire to be.

coke_a_holic
01-15-2006, 10:29 PM
Well then, the punk community in my town is pretty elitist and exclusive. The guy in question basically sneered at me when I mentioned my music taste, but whatever, it's probably just the kids here.

EDIT: Although, I do admit, I'd probably sneer at past-self's music taste now, so whatever. =P

Nicole
01-15-2006, 10:31 PM
If you're talking about that teenage habit of joining a subculture, then feeling the subculture has lost its meaning, then figuring out that it doesn't matter and that you should do what you like and who cares what other people do, that's a definate yes.

The only thing that irritates me these days and makes me feel let down are when the people who control the scene, such as events organisers etc, are complete tossers with no taste and represent the demographic of only themselves and everybody else suffers.

Betty
01-15-2006, 10:32 PM
I am not punk, have never been, and will probably never have any desire to be.

Cause you're emo.

>:->
01-15-2006, 10:35 PM
Yeah, that sucks.

I (along with my friends and stuff) have this theory that that kind of pestering and shit might actually have a positive effect on the punk community as a whole. Years ago, when my street punk band would play out, there would be this guy and his brother who would always come to our shows and make fun of us and tell us how much we sucked. These guys were definitely punk too (if you know what I mean), so being young and impressionable, my friends and I actually looked up to them. Anyway, the years rolled on and we stuck with our band, formed others, and basically just got deeper and deeper into punk. Now, those two dudes who would always pick on us are some of my best friends.

In conclusion, I think kids who aren't really sincere about things can be weeded out in this way, and those who are really into it will realize that they shouldn't give a fuck what anyone else thinks, and they will stick with it.

>:->
01-15-2006, 10:38 PM
If you're talking about that teenage habit of joining a subculture, then feeling the subculture has lost its meaning, then figuring out that it doesn't matter and that you should do what you like and who cares what other people do, that's a definate yes.

Sort of, except in the end though I feel that the subculture actually does have meaning. This brings up an interesting question too: What is punk, a subculture or a counter-culture?

adombomb222
01-15-2006, 10:38 PM
i dint fell like reading the first thing... well cause it was long all i got out of it was something about being goth or in this case a "punk". i say that to be a punk you dont dress gothic you just act the part. in other words you scare the liveing hell out of everone you walk by. however to be goth you must also play the part, writing poems about how much life sucks, listing to dipressing music and well not many but a lot cut..... im punk and i dress the same, however for the part in witch to write poems and cut i dont, therefor im not a got... even though most people i walk and talk to think i am.

but now to my guestion, are we talking about being gothic or punk?

BREAK
01-15-2006, 10:40 PM
Nah, I've always really hated niche marketing.

>:->
01-15-2006, 10:41 PM
Adombomb: Regarding everything you just said, are you serious!?!

adombomb222
01-15-2006, 10:43 PM
Adombomb: Regarding everything you just said, are you serious!?!


what now, am i serious about what?

BREAK
01-15-2006, 10:43 PM
Wow, adombomb222 is the biggest idiot I've seen here in awhile.

>:->
01-15-2006, 10:44 PM
Are you serious that being a punk or a goth simply involves "playing the part"?

Nicole
01-15-2006, 10:48 PM
i dint fell like reading the first thing... well cause it was long all i got out of it was something about being goth or in this case a "punk". i say that to be a punk you dont dress gothic you just act the part. in other words you scare the liveing hell out of everone you walk by. however to be goth you must also play the part, writing poems about how much life sucks, listing to dipressing music and well not many but a lot cut..... im punk and i dress the same, however for the part in witch to write poems and cut i dont, therefor im not a got... even though most people i walk and talk to think i am.

but now to my guestion, are we talking about being gothic or punk?

Learn to read.

You don't have to cut and listen to depressing music and write shitty poetry to be a goth. Fucking christ.

Maybe I've just met some many cool people that that stereotype makes me mad these days.

adombomb222
01-15-2006, 10:49 PM
no both playing and dressing.... i know many goths at my school (middle school) and a lot more at the high school to know them well enought.... have you ever been in the basement of a goth kid before?

>:->
01-15-2006, 10:51 PM
Adombomb is hilarious.

Endymion
01-15-2006, 10:51 PM
all i think of when i see punks is that i'd like to run them over.

adombomb222
01-15-2006, 10:53 PM
Learn to read.

You don't have to cut and listen to depressing music and write shitty poetry to be a goth. Fucking christ.

Maybe I've just met some many cool people that that stereotype makes me mad these days.



Well then all the goths i know are the stereotypecal kind! there just about everone i know that are goth are like that, mabe other stuff but not behide closed doors. i dont know all about goth behide closed doors and i'll most likely choose not to. but im not being stereotypecal here... all of the people i know do this stuff, quite often too.

Nicole
01-15-2006, 10:53 PM
no both playing and dressing.... i know many goths at my school (middle school) and a lot more at the high school to know them well enought.... have you ever been in the basement of a goth kid before?

Oh my bad, you're in middle school and you don't know anything beyond high schoolers. It gets better and less petty.

Jebus
01-15-2006, 10:58 PM
I didn't know punks could be elitists when it comes to music.

I used to think I was a punk that didn't really show it off or talked about it thus I was punker than anyone else even though I mostly listened to offspring, green day, bad religion, and other similar bands. Later I realised the music was kind of lame and got into other things. I still somewhat like those bands that I used love though.

>:->
01-15-2006, 11:03 PM
The point of this post when I made it was basically, I hate the "too punk to be punk" crowd.

(I'm not trying to attack you because it sounds like you've already figured this out for yourself.)

JohnnyNemesis
01-15-2006, 11:05 PM
I didn't know punks could be elitists when it comes to music.
They can't be anything BUT elitists. Which is why I hate them, and just love the music.

>:->
01-15-2006, 11:07 PM
THAT^ is an elitist and generalized attitude.

T-6005
01-15-2006, 11:10 PM
Cause you're emo.
I was just starting to like you... then you gotta go and say something like that. Bet you couldn't say it to my face!

JohnnyNemesis
01-15-2006, 11:12 PM
THAT^ is an elitist and generalized attitude.

Generalized? Ohhhh, I see...I'll make sure to add "this applies to only some, not all!" to , oh, I dunno, EVERY SINGLE STATEMENT. I obviously didn't mean every single punk.

As far as the attitude being elitist: nice try, but bullshit. Don't be so eager to simply turn back what someone says on them if it doesn't make sense.

>:->
01-15-2006, 11:16 PM
Good to see that you didn't mean it in a generalized way, but that is an elitist statement, dude. It sounds like you're good enough to like the music just like all the punks, but you're too enlightened to buy into their allegedly elitist ideals. Just seems like you're trying to identify different strata.

Betty
01-15-2006, 11:49 PM
I was just starting to like you... then you gotta go and say something like that. Bet you couldn't say it to my face!

Well I wouldn't want you to get all sad on me.

wheelchairman
01-16-2006, 12:44 AM
It seems to me like every subculture out there, is oversensitive and insecure.

Metalheads are particularly bothersome. You listen to Manowar and it sounds like they are in the middle of a war with people who don't like heavy metal. How pathetic is that? oh I hate manowar.

I've recently come to the conclusion that society is not such a nice place when you're young, and I don't mean that in "le sad, no one understands my feelings" way, but in a "it wants me to get a steady job, finish my education as soon as possible, and get married now" kinda way.

More and more I find this disturbing. And actually rather infuriating. And more and more I seem to understand punk, not the music, not the people, but I guess the attitude.

Revolver-2005?
01-16-2006, 07:49 AM
It sounds like you're good enough to like the music

Man you dont have to be anything to like the music, dressing like a punk is dressing like an idiot. Punk is an attitude not a fasion.

Sin Studly
01-16-2006, 07:52 AM
This thread = hahahahhahahaha.

Drum Goddess
01-16-2006, 09:33 AM
All I have to say about "punkness", is that the definition of what punk is has changed over the years and "punk" today isn't even punk. It's kinda sad.

Plumey
01-16-2006, 01:29 PM
I like the messages given by punk music. If so called "punks" are acting elitist or whiny, or defining themselves just by wearing leather and spikes, then they're just one more part of society to make fun of. :)

XYlophonetreeZ
01-16-2006, 02:04 PM
I couldn't care less about specific labels like punk, goth, emo, blah blah blah, but I have come to the surprising conclusion that a healthy number of eccentric people in the world only do it good.

People dressing up in "punk" or "goth" attire don't really do that much anymore because there are so many of them, but this world would be fucking boring if some people didn't take it upon themselves to look and act really fucking weird. We may make fun of them and say that we hate them because they're only trying to be different, and we may even be telling the truth about that, but I guarantee that anyone who complains about them complains because they enjoy doing so.

It's good for eccentric-looking people because no matter how much they get stared at, they can easily eliminate the shallow people who don't look past it and better choose who to associate with. And it's good for everyone else because it gives them something entertaining to talk about. Everyone wins. But if too many people chose to look and act different just for the hell of it, it would just become the norm, and all enjoyment would be lost.

platinumpt
01-16-2006, 02:05 PM
Nope. I've always been a nerdie guy. Library rat. etcetera etcetera.

UgLy_eLf
01-16-2006, 05:17 PM
Ok.......


....I've got to admit I agree with Sin on this one.

adombomb222
01-16-2006, 07:05 PM
Oh my bad, you're in middle school and you don't know anything beyond high schoolers. It gets better and less petty.

ok? i guess, i'll look out for that. maybe.....

adombomb222
01-16-2006, 07:08 PM
Adombomb is hilarious.



are you being scarkastic? (or howere you spell it) cause i wanst trying to......

Jebus
01-16-2006, 07:11 PM
are you being scarkastic? (or howere you spell it) cause i wanst trying to......
lol @ scarkastic

adombomb222
01-16-2006, 07:18 PM
shut up! i know i cant spell, that why i put the stuff after it

>:->
01-16-2006, 08:05 PM
You are hilarious for the very reason that you are not trying to be hilarious. There's no way to say this without being patronizing, but you need to scrap your superficial viewpoints and mature a little.

Sin Studly
01-17-2006, 04:44 AM
I was actually thinking the exact same thing about you, Punky Brewster.

Rocky-girl
01-17-2006, 06:35 AM
Hm, Some yeas ago when I started to listen to rock I wanted to wear strange things, make strange things on my head. But it wasn't long. Then I started to understand that it doesn't matter what you wear. It must be in your head. If tou don't think like punk(for example) you won't be able to help yourself wearing strange clothes. I think that the main idea must be in your head. In different ways the person must think.

Andy
01-17-2006, 06:47 AM
I'm not a "punk". I may listen to "punk" music, but I don't dress accordingly, don't have the same anarchic, socialistic values, and do indeed "give a fuck" at what people think of me.

I have no idea what else I was going to say, I'll edit it later on if I remember