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TruelyBornPunk69
02-20-2006, 07:30 AM
I have never owned a record label, nor directed a successful merchandise company, so I don't pretend to be an expert on marketing. I have evolved through my craft as a songwriter, but others have labeled it and marketed it and made it neat for consumption.

Although I have made money from Punk, it is a modest amount when one considers the bounty that has been bestowed on the companies that promote Punk as some sort of a product to be ingested. It has always been my way to de-value the fashionable, light-hearted, impulsive traits that people associate with Punk, because Punk is more than that, so much more that those elements become trivial in the light of human experience that all punkers share.

Since it has been a part of me for over half of my life, I think the time has come to attempt a definition, and in the process defend, this persistent social phenomenon known as Punk. It is astounding that something with so much emotional and trans- cultural depth has gone without definition for so long, for the roots of Punk run deeper, and go back in history farther than imagined.

Even in the last two decades, it is difficult to find any analysis of the influential effect that Punk Rock had on Pop Music and youth culture. And rarer still are essays detailing the emotional and intellectual undercurrents that drive the more overt fashion statements that most people attribute to Punk.

These are some of the wants that compelled me to write this. If my attempt offends the purists, collapses the secrecy of a closed society, promotes confidence in skeptical inquiry, provokes deeper thought, and decodes irony, then I have done my job and those who feel slighted might recognize the triviality of their position. For I have nothing to promote but my observations on a sub-culture that has grown to global proportions, and through visiting much of it, I have found threads of common thought everywhere.

Common thought processes are what determine the ideology that binds people together into a community. There is desire among Punks to be a community, but there needs to be some shape imparted on the foundations of the punk ideology, and where it comes from. The current Punk stereotype is scarred by mass-marketing and an unfortunate emphasis on style over substance.

But these ills don't destroy the Punk sentiment, they merely confound the education of the new generations of people who know they are punk, but don't know what it means. It is a long road to understand what it means. This essay is part of the process.

PUNKS ARE NOT BEASTS

Punk is a reflection of what it means to be human. What separates us from other animals? Our ability to recognize ourselves and express our own genetic uniqueness. Ironically, the commonly held view, among the marketeers and publicity engines, stresses the "animalistic", "primitive" nature of punks and their music.

They assume that violence is a key ingredient in punk music, and this assumption is easily perpetuated because it is easy to market violence and news items about violence always get column space. This focus on violence misses a key element of what Punk is all about:

PUNK IS: the personal expression of uniqueness that comes from the experiences of growing up in touch with our human ability to reason and ask questions.

Violence is neither common in, nor unique to punk. When it does manifest itself it is due to things unrelated to the punk ideal. Consider for example the common story of a fight at a high school between a punk and a jock football player. The football player and his cohort do not accept or value the punk as a real person. Rather, they use him as a vitriol receptacle, daily taunting, provoking, and embarrassing him, which of course is no more than a reflection of their own insecurities.

One day, the punk has had enough and he clobbers the football captain in the hallway. The teachers of course expell the punk and cite his poor hairstyle and shabby clothing as evidence that he is a violent, uncontrollable no-good. The community newspaper reads "Hallway Beating Re-affirms that Violence is a Way of Life Among Punk Rockers".

Spontaneous anger at not being accepted as a real person is not unique to punkers. This reaction is due to being human, and anybody would react in anger regardless of their sub- cultural, or social affiliation if they felt de- valued and useless. Sadly, there are plenty of examples of violence among punks. There are glaring examples of misguided people who call themselves punks too. But anger and violence are not punk traits, in fact, they have no place in the punk ideal. Anger and violence are not the glue that holds the punk community together.

IN UNIQUENESS IS THE PRESERVATION OF MANKIND

Nature bestowed on us the genetic backbone of what punk is all about. There are roughly 80,000 genes in the human genome, and there are roughly 6 billion people carrying that genetic compliment. The chances of two people carrying the same genome are so small as to be almost beyond comprehension (the odds are essentially ? 80,000 times the number of possible people you can meet and mate with in a lifetime! A practical impossibility)

The genes we carry play a major role in determining our behavior and outlook on life. That is why we have the gift of uniqueness, because no one else has the same set of genes controlling their view of the world. Of course cultural factors play the other major role, and these can have a more homogenizing effect on behavior and world-view.

For example, an entire working-class town might have 15,000 residents who are raised with the same ideals, work at the same factories, go to the same schools, shop at the same stores, and like the same sports teams. As their children develop, there is a constant interaction of opposite forces between the social imprinting their culture imparts and the genetic expression of uniqueness.

Those who lose touch with their nature become society's robots, whereas those who denounce their social development become vagrant animals. Punk stands for a desire to walk the line in between these two extremes with masterful precision. Punks want to express their own unique nature, while at the same time want to embrace the communal aspects of their cookie-cutter upbringing.

The social connection they have is based on a desire to understand each other's unique view of the world. Punk "scenes" are social places where those views are accepted, sometimes adopted, sometimes discarded, but always tolerated and respected.

PUNK IS: a movement that serves to refute social attitudes that have been perpetuated through willful ignorance of human nature.

Because it depends on tolerance and shuns denial, Punk is open to all humans. There is an elegant parallel between Punk's dependence on unique views and behaviors and our own natural genetic predisposition toward uniqueness.

THE BATTLE OF FEAR AND RATIONALITY

The compulsion to conform is a powerful side-effect of civilized life. We are all taught to respect the views of our elders, and later when we realize that they are just dogmatic opinions, we are taught not to make a commotion by asking difficult questions. Many just go along with the prevailing notions and never express their own views, which is analogous to a premature death of the individual.

Our species is unique in the ability to recognize and express the self, and not exercising this biological function goes against the natural selection gradient that created it in the first place. This complacency combats a fear of failure.

It is easy to assume that if everyone else is doing something, then there is no way to fail if you just go along with it. Cattle and flocks of geese can probably recognize this advantage. But the entire human race could fail because of this mentality.

TruelyBornPunk69
02-20-2006, 07:30 AM
Thinking and acting in a direction against the current of popular opinion is critical to human advancement, and a potent manifestation of Punk. If an issue or phenomenon is found to be true only because other people say it is so, then it is a Punk's job to look for a better solution, or at least find an independent variable that confirms the held view (sometimes the popular view is just a reflection of human nature, Punks don't live in denial of this).

This ability to go against the grain was a major part of the greatest advances in human thinking throughout history. The entire Enlightenment period was characterized by ideas that shunned the dogma of the time, only to reveal truths in nature and human existence that all people can observe, and that are still with us today.

Galileo fought the church, the church won the battle, by putting him in jail for life, but ultimately lost the war; few people today believe that the sun orbits around the earth, and thus God didn't create the earth as the center of the universe. Francis Bacon insisted that human destiny is equal to understanding. If we deny this fundamental principle of what it means to be human, he reasoned, then we descend into the depths of mere barbarism.

Charles Darwin, wrote after the heyday of the Enlightenment, he nonetheless was directly influenced by its tradition, was trained as a theologian and yet still was driven to understand the underlying order that connected biological species he observed in his travels. His views threw into question many of the Bible's tenets, yet his reasoning was sound, and through a process of self-improvement (the struggle in his own mind to understand) he improved mankind by establishing a new benchmark of human knowledge.

The dogma of the church was further marginalized. The fear of repercussion from the church was overshadowed by the wave of understanding that his views created in people, and by the truth to his observations.

The modern-day Punk thought process, driven by this desire to understand, is a carbon-copy of the Enlightenment tradition. The fact that so many historical examples exist that reveal a will to destroy dogma leads to a powerful tenet: It is a natural trait of civilized humans to be original. The fact that uniqueness is so rare reveals that our nature is stifled by an equally potent opposing force: fear.

PUNK IS: a process of questioning and commitment to understanding that results in self-progress, and by extrapolation, could lead to social progress.

If enough people feel free, and are encouraged to use their skills of observation and reason, grand truths will emerge. These truths are acknowledged and accepted not because they were force-fed by some totalitarian entity, but because everyone has a similar experience when observing them.

The fact that Punks can relate to one another on issues of prejudice comes from a shared experience of being treated poorly by people who don't want them around. Each has his/her own experience of being shunned, and each can relate to another's story of alienation without some kind of adherence to a code of behavior.

The truth of prejudice is derived from the experience they all share, not from a written formula or constitution they have to abide by. Punks learn from this experience that prejudice is wrong, it is a principle they live by; they didn't learn it from a textbook. Without striving to understand, and provoking the held beliefs, the truth remains shrouded behind custom, inactivity, and prescriptive ideology.

WHAT IS TRUTH?

Philosophers distinguish between capital "T" truth and truth with a small "t". Punks deny the former.

Truth with a capital "T" assumes that there is an order prescribed by some transcendental being. That is to say that truth comes ultimately from God, who had a plan for everything when he created the universe.

Little "t" truth is that which we figure out for ourselves, and which we all can agree upon due to similar experience and observations of the world. It is also known as objective truth, from within ourselves, revealed here on this earth; as opposed to big T truth, which comes from outside and is projected down to us, specifically for us to follow.

Morality need not be thought of as a product only of big "T" truth. Objective truth lends itself just as readily to a moralistic, spiritual culture.

PUNK IS: a belief that this world is what we make of it, truth comes from our understanding of the way things are, not from the blind adherence to prescriptions about the way things should be.

Punk's dependence on objective truth comes from the shared experience of going against the grain. Anyone who has stood out in a crowd feels the truth of the experience. No one had to write a doctrine in order for the outcast to understand what it meant to be different. The truth was plain enough, and that truth could be understood and agreed upon by all those who shared a common experience.

WHAT IS FEAR?

The fears that drive people to conform have caused dismal periods in human history. The so-called Dark Ages, were tranquil and without upheaval, but also dismally quiet and pestilent, nary a contrasting view to be found. The pseudo-comfort and tranquility that the people of the Dark Ages experienced, by conforming to a rigidly enforced bureaucracy enforced by the king and church, was masked entirely by the misery they had to endure in their day to day life.

Life is easy as a peasant, no direction, no purpose, just produce more goods and offspring for the benefit of the king. But using fear to control peasants (or modern-day blue-collar workers for that matter) is just a short-term foul exercise, because peasants have the same mental equipment as the royalty.

The deeply ingrained biological traits of self-recognition and the desire to express the self cannot be quashed for long. Eventually peasants realize that life without the practice of reason is as good as being a farm animal. Being controlled by fear is the same as being biologically inert, unable to take part in the human drama, merely wasting away.

The fear that controls human behavior is learned. It is different from the immediate, reflexive, run-away-from-the- nasty-stimulus response that other creatures employ to stay alive. We have motor reflexes like these as well, but fear of failure, and fear of speaking out come from the limbic system.

The limbic system is a network of neurons in our brain that control our most deep-seated emotions. It connects two parts of the brain together: the midbrain, where sensory information is sent (i.e. sight and hearing stimuli) and the forebrain, where that information is processed. Although the forebrain has been around for at least 480 million years (it was present in the earliest vertebrates), it evolved special functions with the advent of humankind.

A specialized portion of the forebrain, called the cerebral cortex, is highly developed in humans. 95% of our cerebral cortex is responsible for associative mental activities like contemplation and planning. The other 5% is responsible for processing motor and sensory information.

By comparison, a mouse (also considered a higher vertebrate), has a cerebral cortex with only 5% of its neurons devoted to associative functions, while 95% are devoted to motor and sensory fuctions.

JoY
02-20-2006, 07:30 AM
pack your bags & leave.

That_Guy91
02-20-2006, 07:31 AM
Wasn't this on the Bad Religion site?

TruelyBornPunk69
02-20-2006, 07:31 AM
The highly developed limbic system is at the core of what it means to be human. We differ from other animals in the amount of time we spend planning, contemplating, and expressing ourselves. Our limbic system is very powerful. It can over-ride primitive emotions, and suppress deep desires.

Anyone who has ever seen a sad movie with friends, and willfully held back tears because they didn't want their friends to see them crying, employed the power of their limbic system. They contemplated the repercussions of their friends reaction to crying, and shut off the emotional cascade that would have brought the tears.

In the same way that rationality is the product of the limbic system, fear is also centered in the same neurons of the limbic system. Fear is usually rational behavior, based on irrational thoughts, and it can freeze the processing power of the cerebral cortex. Denial and fear go hand in hand, and both are examples of how our limbic system can suppress obvious stimuli and promote behavior that is safe and conforming.

The limbic system is like any other organ in the sense that it can operate unchecked to produce detrimental results. Being in touch with our bodies leads to overall general health, and the limbic system needs constant attention in order to master it. To overcome fear, one needs to be in touch with their limbic system, and recognize when it is suppressing the obvious.

Etiquette and "being nice" are forms of limbic-system repression, necessary at times, but ultimately demeaning of human originality. Lying is the ultimate form of limbic-system repression. It is a denial of the obvious. Truth-tellers, those who are authentic and trustworthy, have learned to master their limbic system. They recognize the desire to lie, but rationalize the futility of advocating something that is not true.

Liars, on the other hand, are slaves to their limbic system, out of touch with their most basic mental capacities. Their behavior is guarded and shifty because they let their flawed reasoning, to cover up the obvious, control their entire makeup. They eventually have to give in to the truth and concede defeat, but only after every possible avenue of deception and twisted logic has been advocated in the interest of hiding their fear.

Politicians, Clergymen, Business leaders, and Judges are masters of twisted logic and promotion of fear. They make good intellectual targets for Punkers because they don't respect people who have learned to master their limbic systems. And Punkers are not afraid to point out that which is obvious, even if it means their social status might be jeopardized.

PUNK IS: the constant struggle against fear of social repercussions.

THE PUNK MOVEMENT

I have tried to enumerate some of the factors that make Punk a movement, in the cultural sense. The typical stereotype of a feeble-minded ruffian vandalizing, destroying, stealing, fighting, or arguing in the name of some empty, short-lived cause is no more punk than the pretty-face-empty-head image of today's pop stars.

Because it is so easy for record companies to sell images of violence, sex, and self-importance, many bands have taken the bait and portrayed themselves as Punks, without realizing that they were actually perpetuating a stereotype of conformity that is wholly un-punk.

The "come join us" attitude that seeks to attract followers, usually results in a rabble of weak people who think that their power lies in the large numbers of like-minded clones they have compiled. There is no strength in numbers however, if the people are glued together by a short-sighted, self-serving, fear-induced mantra that promotes factions and exclusionary principles.

Strong ideologies don't require a mob, they persist through time, and never go away, because they are intimately connected to our biology. They are part of what it means to exist as Homo sapiens. Punk typifies that tradition.

It is a movement of epic proportions, that transcends the immediacy of the here-and- now, because it is, was, and always will be there-and-forever, as long as humans walk the earth.

As we enter a new era in the voracious march of culture, Punks will have their day. The internet has allowed people to communicate directly once again. On the web, human behavior is interactive, like it was before the advent of mass-media.

People now focus on ideological discussions and lifestyle issues, as opposed to the classic 20th century behavior of closing oneself off from cohorts, and adhering to a network's, or commercial's prescriptive code of acceptable behavior. The lies, and mysteries of elitism will erode quickly as the global conversation that transpires daily on the web invades more people's lives.

The world population will be more receptive to alternative ideologies because they will be creating them. People will be less receptive to ideologies of out- dated institutions because the holes and flaws in their logic will be ever more amplified when they are broadcast instantly around the world as they become revealed.

The "Strength-In-Understanding", and "Knowledge-Is-Power" ethics that Punks maintain will become the norm. The rigidity, brutishness, and futility of secret agendas will be made obvious, paving the way to an appreciation of human uniqueness, and a new era of originality.

WHO IS PUNK?

Everyone has the potential to be punk. It is much harder for someone who comes from a placid, un-challenging, ignorant upbringing, because they don't see the value in questioning or provoking the institutions that gave them such tranquility. But such examples of carefree existence are rare in today's shrinking world.

Eternal questions still burn in the minds of most people. What it means to be human is becoming more clear every decade. Sometimes, people are trained to follow the safe path to an early grave by consuming and repeating the dogma of a fearful aristocracy.

On the other hand, the human spirit is hard to kill. Punk is a microcosm of the human spirit. Punks succeed with their minds, not their brute force. They advance society by their diversity, not their conformity. They motivate others by inclusion, not domination.

They are at the front lines of self-betterment and by extrapolation can improve the complexion of the human race. They adhere to unwritten universal principles of human emotion, obvious to anyone, and shun elitist codes of behavior, or secret agendas. They embody the hope of the future, and reveal the flaws of the past. Don't tell them what to do, they are already leading you.

PUNK IS: the personal expression of uniqueness that comes from the experiences of growing up in touch with our human ability to reason and ask questions.

PUNK IS: a movement that serves to refute social attitudes that have been perpetuated through willful ignorance of human nature.

PUNK IS: a process of questioning and commitment to understanding that results in self-progress, and through repetition, flowers into social evolution.

PUNK IS: a belief that this world is what we make of it, truth comes from our understanding of the way things are, not from the blind adherence to prescriptions about the way things should be.

PUNK IS: the constant struggle against fear of social repercussions.

That_Guy91
02-20-2006, 07:31 AM
Yeah, this is definately copied from Bad Religion.

EDIT: http://www.badreligion.com/news/essays.php?id=5

TruelyBornPunk69
02-20-2006, 07:33 AM
yeah its the punk manifesto i never said i wrote it myself.all u kids should read it and learn what ur living 4.

That_Guy91
02-20-2006, 07:34 AM
...Most of the people here don't consider themselves punks. And lots don't even really want to be.

Tizzalicious
02-20-2006, 07:36 AM
Some of us actually live for things that are worth it.

JohnnyNemesis
02-20-2006, 07:38 AM
This person is someone else's spam account. There truly is no way this person is this dumb.

TruelyBornPunk69
02-20-2006, 07:39 AM
no,coz spam is in emails dumbfuck.

Tizzalicious
02-20-2006, 07:41 AM
Yes, really really dumb.

TruelyBornPunk69
02-20-2006, 07:42 AM
r u in a wheelchair?

Tizzalicious
02-20-2006, 07:43 AM
No, just my pussy is.

Izie
02-20-2006, 07:43 AM
Ah, Johnny believes people are actually smart.

How naive :(

Drum Goddess
02-20-2006, 07:44 AM
For some reason I get the feeling that TPKYL has returned. But being more careful this time.

TruelyBornPunk69
02-20-2006, 07:44 AM
is good 2 see some disableds who r into the scene coz it shows anarchy is for every1.but u shouldnt call urself pussy unless u r a man coz its degrading to women.

do u have msn?(if ur a chick)

Little_Miss_1565
02-20-2006, 07:52 AM
Up da punxxxxxx!!! hup hup hup hup hup!!!

JohnnyNemesis
02-20-2006, 07:55 AM
Ah, Johnny believes people are actually smart.

Ha! Not really. I just don't believe anyone could be THIS dumb:

is good 2 see some disableds who r into the scene coz it shows anarchy is for every1.

He's just trying too hard.

TruelyBornPunk69
02-20-2006, 08:15 AM
u think disableds cant be punk?fuck u nazi!

Little_Miss_1565
02-20-2006, 08:17 AM
Go back to Skate City, Dain.

Can't you find any other way to spend your day off of school?

TruelyBornPunk69
02-20-2006, 08:17 AM
im not a skater.whose dain?

Drum Goddess
02-20-2006, 08:17 AM
^is so hardXcore.

XYlophonetreeZ
02-20-2006, 08:19 AM
Too long, didn't read.

Jebus
02-20-2006, 08:22 AM
lolz, your dad is in jail.

JoY
02-20-2006, 08:35 AM
is good 2 see some disableds who r into the scene coz it shows anarchy is for every1.but u shouldnt call urself pussy unless u r a man coz its degrading to women.

do u have msn?(if ur a chick)
holy SHIT, this is unbelievably good stuff. *rolls over the floor laughing her guts out*

TruelyBornPunk69
02-20-2006, 08:37 AM
u got pics JoY?

Drum Goddess
02-20-2006, 08:38 AM
Dude stop. You're not cool.

JoY
02-20-2006, 08:41 AM
u got pics JoY?
no, you ?

Nineteen Seventy Nine
02-20-2006, 08:41 AM
u got pics JoY?

Why not me? I'm nakey!

JoY
02-20-2006, 08:42 AM
but I'm hawtness in a jar. I win.

TruelyBornPunk69
02-20-2006, 08:45 AM
lol prove it

JoY
02-20-2006, 08:52 AM
this is a picture of me:

http://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/P/B0002VOHH4.01-A3G2KZJP4BP0O0._SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg

don't say you didn't see that one coming.

JohnnyNemesis
02-20-2006, 09:11 AM
I love you, Isa. I love you.

pyromaniac
02-20-2006, 09:26 AM
:confused: my head hurts after reading all of that... :confused:

JoY
02-20-2006, 09:34 AM
you're not too bad either, Rickyrick. *wink*

Edit: I just noticed the change in your signature. I approve so hard. lolz.

Megs
02-20-2006, 11:45 AM
yeah its the punk manifesto i never said i wrote it myself.all u kids should read it and learn what ur living 4.
I kind of gathered that by the grammar and spelling in your title compared to well.....the articulate explanation in your first 3 or so posts in this thread.

T-6005
02-20-2006, 01:27 PM
Go capitalism.

Andy
02-20-2006, 02:23 PM
OK, I've read it. Can I judge you now?

You're in idiot.

T-6005
02-20-2006, 03:26 PM
OK, I've read it. Can I judge you now?

You're in idiot.
Wow - you made that sound worse than being an idiot.

It's a good thing.

Andy
02-20-2006, 03:34 PM
OK, I've read it. Can I judge you now?

You're in idiot.

Don't you love the irony in my comment there? Thanks for pointing it out Mr T :cool:

XYlophonetreeZ
02-20-2006, 04:09 PM
You're a bigger idiot for reading it than you are for misspelling "an."

H1T_That
02-20-2006, 04:12 PM
You're a bigger idiot for reading it than you are for misspelling "an."

it was extremly long and pointless.

Andy
02-20-2006, 04:51 PM
You're a bigger idiot for reading it than you are for misspelling "an."
Touché, fool. One day you will understand. One day.

To be honest, I feel the fact that I acknowledged my mistake is a lot more mature than Mister Petty over here slating me for that exact reason. I was making a smart-arse comment and made a spelling mistake :eek: that's not idiocy, that's carelessness. Serves me right for not proof-reading posts I guess.

T-6005
02-20-2006, 08:03 PM
Wasn't meant as a correction at all.

What came to mind was someone swimming in idiot. I figured that imagery alone, plus posting this, was well worth the spelling mistake.

JoY
02-21-2006, 02:35 AM
I read the parts about the functioning of the human brain.=)

kamikaze
02-21-2006, 05:12 AM
Real punk is dead. If you consider yourself "punk," you should join the trend.

Sinister
02-21-2006, 05:16 AM
Real punk is dead. If you consider yourself "punk," you should join the trend.

tru punx neva dy. :D

Sin Studly
02-21-2006, 06:25 AM
They just fuck younger and younger scene-chicks.

Dark Chaos
02-21-2006, 08:26 AM
OK, I've read it. Can I judge you now?

You're in idiot.

Yeah I have to agree with him!

Evilbaboon
02-21-2006, 08:45 AM
Yeah I have to agree with him!
but but he's a tru punk master, like yoda or sumthin,
you are just like nazi's aintcha

he's living the dream or anachy and anti corparations while you eat you happy meals and go to skool

live the dream man!!!

WOOT!!11!!!!!

Andy
02-22-2006, 04:57 AM
but but he's a tru punk master, like yoda or sumthin,
you are just like nazi's aintcha

he's living the dream or anachy and anti corparations while you eat you happy meals and go to skool

live the dream man!!!

WOOT!!11!!!!!
Erm, yes...

ruroken
02-22-2006, 06:36 PM
Get an education and maybe, just maybe I'll stop judging you.

Offspring-Fanatic
02-22-2006, 06:44 PM
i think this dude is dumber than me.

and thats a lot.

Evilbaboon
02-24-2006, 09:26 AM
Erm, yes...

indeed.....

Andy
02-24-2006, 12:04 PM
indeed.....
I'm glad we agree.

Sin Studly
02-24-2006, 12:05 PM
Don't feed the trolls, for fucks sake.

XYlophonetreeZ
02-24-2006, 12:08 PM
i think this dude is dumber than me.

and thats a lot.
http://www.offspring.com/forums/showthread.php?t=19212
Do yourself a favor and read that.

Evilbaboon
02-27-2006, 08:49 AM
Don't feed the trolls, for fucks sake.

dude i aint a fucking troll,



dumbfuck

Sin Studly
02-27-2006, 08:50 AM
.............................

Evilbaboon
02-27-2006, 08:52 AM
Damn you, vile person












fuck im tired

Lithuanian Offspring
02-27-2006, 08:53 AM
Punkers.
I think they're called punks. By the way, I think you've got it all wrong.

Evilbaboon
02-27-2006, 08:57 AM
I think they're called punks. By the way, I think you've got it all wrong.


but dude he's like older than you, so knows alot more

T-6005
02-27-2006, 09:22 AM
but dude he's like older than you, so knows alot more
But dude that's got to be the worst argument ever presented, so YOU'RE wrong.

Evilbaboon
02-27-2006, 09:25 AM
But dude that's got to be the worst argument ever presented, so YOU'RE wrong.


two points

if sarcasm is the lowest form of wit and it went full over your head does it make u a midget?

and dude ur canadian, you must apologies for Twain, Adams and Dion

Lithuanian Offspring
02-27-2006, 09:35 AM
but dude he's like older than you, so knows alot more
Dude?!!?!?!?!!? Then my whole life philosophy has fallen to shambles! I must reorganize my life abmitions to fit whatever-the-fuck-his-name-is 's rules, which, bye the bye, is absolutely not punk, cause he's got rules.

Evilbaboon
02-27-2006, 09:38 AM
Dude?!!?!?!?!!? Then my whole life philosophy has fallen to shambles! I must reorganize my life abmitions to fit whatever-the-fuck-his-name-is 's rules, which, bye the bye, is absolutely not punk, cause he's got rules.

exactly im glad we are agreed on that one,


*does the happy dance

Lithuanian Offspring
02-27-2006, 10:02 AM
*does Ashlee Simpson hoe-down!!!

Evilbaboon
02-27-2006, 10:05 AM
Woohoo we are all good here!!!!!

Dance ever body......Hammer time!!!!!!

Lithuanian Offspring
02-27-2006, 10:07 AM
Now, that was totally uncalled for!!

Evilbaboon
02-27-2006, 10:10 AM
its not hammer time?

damn i best take off the hammer pants then

Lithuanian Offspring
02-27-2006, 10:21 AM
Wouldn't it be cool if it were fashionable to wear your hammer pants? Then people like you and me could live in a perfect society.

Evilbaboon
02-27-2006, 10:23 AM
hell yes,
instead of having to hide in the shadows.....

Cant touch this!