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Sin Studly
03-09-2006, 09:32 PM
Who takes them occasionally or regularly? Who takes them and then stays up 2 or 3 hours afterwards, feeling like death, but refusing to submit to their massively strong urges? What do you take? What works best for you? I've gotten to the stage where I don't use them for months, but when I need them I need an insanely huge amount or it does nothing.

Advice?

the_GoDdEsS
03-09-2006, 09:33 PM
Sleepers never helped me. They always just made me feel worse. I guess I don't drink coffee late. I don't know anything that really works, sometimes reading in bed does.

Rocky-girl
03-09-2006, 09:34 PM
May be some sleep? It's 5AM there.

Rocky-girl
03-09-2006, 09:44 PM
It's bad.. Yeah, what the hell is gong with my family?

T-6005
03-09-2006, 09:49 PM
Nothing. It happens. You just happen to have a rather... interesting papushka.

Tizzalicious
03-09-2006, 09:54 PM
I use this stuff called Melatonin, to control my biorythm, it's the natural stuff your body makes at night too, only mine makes it slightly too late, so this stuff is perfect. If I take it on time that is.

I still have a sleeping problem though, but at least this helps a bit.

sKratch
03-09-2006, 10:44 PM
I've heard very good things about Melatonin. I personally have never used anything, though.

Sunny
03-09-2006, 10:47 PM
i take melatonin religiously, but it's not a sleeping pill. it's a hormone i think? hrm.

sometimes i'll pop a tylenol pm. ha.

half of an ambien (also known as stilnox) usually takes care of my insomnia episodes. a whole pill once made me hallucinate and get delirious, and that wasn't too much of a blast. :/

Tizzalicious
03-09-2006, 11:06 PM
i take melatonin religiously, but it's not a sleeping pill. it's a hormone i think? hrm.



Yeah, it's not, it might be a hormone, I don't know, I just know that it's the same stuff your body makes, so it's not bad to take it at all.

T-6005
03-09-2006, 11:08 PM
From what I remember, it's the stuff your body makes to protect from UV rays. Pretty much, natural melatonin secretion makes you more resistant to getting sunburns. I'm not sure what artificial ingestion. It's also involved in sleep patterns, though. I'm not too clear on it.

Endymion
03-09-2006, 11:37 PM
Q: how do you make a hormone?
A: put sand in the lube.

Paint_It_Black
03-10-2006, 12:31 AM
OMFG i jus realised im totally naked

brb getting dressed bfore people come home

how the fuck do you not notice yours naked??????!

Quoted for hilarity.

calichix
03-10-2006, 12:59 AM
codeine gets me to sleep when I need it. I get dependant on it really quickly though then weaning myself off of it is more of a pain in the ass than not sleeping in the first place.

Rocky-girl
03-10-2006, 03:58 AM
Nothing. It happens. You just happen to have a rather... interesting papushka.
THanks, I say sometimes he is exraordinary

JoY
03-10-2006, 07:24 AM
From what I remember, it's the stuff your body makes to protect from UV rays. Pretty much, natural melatonin secretion makes you more resistant to getting sunburns. I'm not sure what artificial ingestion. It's also involved in sleep patterns, though. I'm not too clear on it.
melatonin is a natural sleeping hormone, that's produced when it's dark by the epifyse. (pineapple/pineal gland > see Descartes) it makes you sleepy & tired. it prepares you for sleep.

serotonin is the hormone that makes us happy & bouncy. it keeps us energetic. basically the two work like antagonists (like biceps & triceps) with a negative feedback system. your body makes serotonin when in daylight, sporting & eating carbs that slowly digest. without enough daylight, the body makes less serotonin & more melatonin. that's why people in less sunny countries are more vulnerable to 'winterdepressions' & need lighttherapy for symptoms of depression.

what you were talking about is melanin, made from the aminoacid tyrosin. melanin gives your eyes, hair & skin the colour they have. I could tell you more about it, but it's a bit biologic & boring.

*Edit; for anyone who takes melatonin; like I said; it works like an antagonist with a negative feedback system together with serotonin. if you take too much melatonin, it has the opposite effect of what you want/need. you'll stop making enough serotonin & become less & less energetic.

JoY
03-10-2006, 07:29 AM
Yeah, it's not, it might be a hormone, I don't know, I just know that it's the same stuff your body makes, so it's not bad to take it at all.
maybe you should check out my post, Tizzster. :/

nieh
03-10-2006, 07:36 AM
that's why people in less sunny countries are more vulnerable to 'winterdepressions' & need lighttherapy for symptoms of depression.

I get that! During the winter it's dark when I wake up, it's dark when I get to work, and the sun has already come up and set and it's dark again by the time I leave to go back home. The only time I get any daylight is when I go out to lunch for an hour, and even then I'm inside most the time. I don't get light therapy though, I just make sure I go out and do stuff during the day on weekends and that helps a whole bunch.

JoY
03-10-2006, 07:56 AM
I think everyone has it to a certain point. some people are more sensitive for it - must be something with genetics/DNA blahblah/your natural secretion of serotonin/melatonin/whateverz.

personally I'm always way more drained during winters, than in the summer. I'm easily tired, extremely easily sick (serotonin also helps with your immune system, etc, so Tizz... a lot of melatonin isn't all that fantastic for your health), extremely easily cranky, much more stressed & always get my period more often for some reason. it's nothing dramatic, but it's annoying alright.

Sin Studly
03-10-2006, 08:25 AM
God Damn to hell!

Sunny
03-10-2006, 09:54 AM
isa - yup. i was advised to take a break of one week every 4-6 weeks to sort of "even things out". my serotonin secretion isn't all that amazing, either, and i'm incredibly photosensitive. heh.

nieh
03-10-2006, 11:18 AM
personally I'm always way more drained during winters, than in the summer. I'm easily tired, extremely easily sick (serotonin also helps with your immune system, etc, so Tizz... a lot of melatonin isn't all that fantastic for your health), extremely easily cranky, much more stressed & always get my period more often for some reason. it's nothing dramatic, but it's annoying alright.


When it gets bad for me it's basically to the point where I get up, go to work, come home and lay down. Not like I'm going to sleep or anything, just lay down starting at like 6-7. Occasionally I'll get up, wander around, jump on the computer for a little, then go to lay back down. I do that for a while and end up not falling asleep for a long time (like 12-1 typically). I don't normally let it get that bad though. I'll make myself get up and go out with friends and like I said before, I'll make sure to go out and do stuff during the day on weekends.

P.S. Why does this thread have fewer replies every time I see it?

T-6005
03-10-2006, 12:21 PM
what you were talking about is melanin, made from the aminoacid tyrosin. melanin gives your eyes, hair & skin the colour they have. I could tell you more about it, but it's a bit biologic & boring.
Dammit, that's right.

Now I feel retarded. I should have known that.

Rocky-girl
03-10-2006, 12:25 PM
Dimedrol...

sKratch
03-10-2006, 02:49 PM
what you were talking about is melanin, made from the aminoacid tyrosin. melanin gives your eyes, hair & skin the colour they have. I could tell you more about it, but it's a bit biologic & boring.

lolz yeah that was a funny mistake that you beat me to correcting

HeadAroundU
03-10-2006, 03:19 PM
Try the Cyclon B. It works on jews. They are sleeping like babies.

You are young and intelligent person so why do you have sleeping problems?
Less of time wasted on BBS should help. ;)

Flexing Wings
03-10-2006, 04:05 PM
Seek professional help... and not with getting better pills.

Sin Studly
03-10-2006, 04:38 PM
Pfft, like I get my pills from doctors.

All About Eve
03-10-2006, 04:54 PM
I take melatonin on top of another sleeping medicine, it was lunesta but I forgot what the new one is, and it still doesn't help.

Sin Studly
03-10-2006, 04:55 PM
I take temazepam, oxazepam, nitrazepam.

I prefer oxazepam.

All About Eve
03-10-2006, 04:56 PM
I think the new one's called Roserum or something, I know it starts with an R atleast, and isn't any of the ones you mentioned.

wheelchairman
03-10-2006, 11:30 PM
If you want to sleep I can recommend you a book by Marx. If you want to be knocked out almost immediately, try Capital. However take it in small doses.

Nicole
03-11-2006, 12:40 AM
Temazepam was wonderful on a couple of occassions where I was having trouble sleeping but I noticed the tolerance built up hugely. After like two or three uses I found I had taken two and still couldn't sleep, whereas one before knocked me out cold. It made waking up a bitch, the effects of one lasted 12+ hours and that wasn't the best state to do stuff in.

Sin Studly
03-11-2006, 04:16 AM
Weird, it has a half life of about an hour and is pretty gentle.

JoY
03-11-2006, 04:29 AM
isa - yup. i was advised to take a break of one week every 4-6 weeks to sort of "even things out". my serotonin secretion isn't all that amazing, either, and i'm incredibly photosensitive. heh.
that makes sense, seeing you're bipolar. I'm guessing that has a lot to do with your melatonin/serotonin secretion.

JoY
03-11-2006, 04:32 AM
lunesta

is that something homeopathic? they always tend to call their sleeping stuff after the moon, or night. they put in something that's remotely Latin & voila. I used to take Valdispere.


I take temazepam, oxazepam, nitrazepam.

I prefer oxazepam.
be careful with everything that has -pam at the end. *especially* oxazepam. it's pretty addicting.

Sin Studly
03-11-2006, 04:53 AM
Alprazolam is addicting, but the rest aren't.

wheelchairman
03-11-2006, 05:04 AM
Premarin, it's a female hormone. It stands for Pregnant Mare Urin. People use this. It makes me lolz.

- WCM

Bella, I got the melatonin from a specialist who is specialised in sleeping problems, and my body doesn't make enough melatonin. I doubt he would give me something that's not good for me, or make my problems worse.

-Tizz

JoY
03-11-2006, 05:35 AM
no, I wasn't saying that. I just meant that if you take too much of it, your body will produce less serotonin, or at least not enough. & you don't want that.