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number70
12-12-2004, 03:33 AM
So far the war has cost America alone over 100,000,000,000 (100 Billion pounds for you stupid people) That's more than Africa make in a year! Do you think it should carry on, or should it be abandoned. I have no particular view, i was hoping you lot might give me some kind of opinion.

lousyskater
12-12-2004, 07:57 AM
the war in iraq has gone to far

OLD. we all know that already.

pOpe
12-12-2004, 08:13 AM
So far the war has cost America alone over ?100,000,000,000 (100 Billion pounds for you stupid people) That's more than Africa make in a year! Do you think it should carry on, or should it be abandoned. I have no particular view, i was hoping you lot might give me some kind of opinion.


Have you saw the thread "to USA people:_ Bush is a terrorist"?? I'm saying the same since... pff, I don't know, but many people don't understand nothing, they want all, even a half of the world will death

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Sexy Panda
12-13-2004, 02:58 AM
Abandoning now would be devastation.

meaning_of_life
12-13-2004, 04:00 AM
yes to abandon now would be pointless, so many lives have been lost and pulling out of iraq would be to admit defeat. not that the war should have happened anyway.

wheelchairman
12-13-2004, 05:00 AM
Abandoning now would be the only hope. Chaos in Iraq thrives due to the American presence, not despite it. If you believe that you are a fool. It's probably a lost cause anyways.

lousyskater
12-13-2004, 07:34 PM
Abandoning now would be devastation.
staying there would be even more devestating.

T-6005
12-14-2004, 05:27 AM
It's been destroyed already... start rebuilding.

RonWelty
12-14-2004, 03:16 PM
Kill them all, they're stupid ragheads.
lolol god bless u !

Mota Boy
12-14-2004, 03:51 PM
Abandoning now would be the only hope. Chaos in Iraq thrives due to the American presence, not despite it. If you believe that you are a fool. It's probably a lost cause anyways.

The current U.S. presence is only one source of instability. It also provides a certain amount of stability. Leaving Iraq would remove one cause of instability, but leave the country less able to deal with the chaos caused by a power vacuum. Despite this, it's very possible that the U.S. will soon exit the country. If we indeed believe that it's all going to Hell, we don't want to lead a futile battle against the ensuing chaos that would only serve to further undermine U.S. power, a la Vietnam.

In fact, we might actually view the election as a great exit strategy. If the Iraqis end up electing an anti-American leader who called for the U.S. to leave, we'd be thankful for a chance to split and leave Iraq to collapse upon itself until another strongman comes to power. I see this as one possible outcome.

wheelchairman
12-14-2004, 05:22 PM
There are enough influential forces in Iraq right now, that if the US were to leave, they would call for direct elections (that is what the Grand Ayatollah of Iraq has wanted all along, along with the nationalists, the ba'athists, the socialists etc. (of which there is a long and strong tradition in Iraq, oddly enough.))

There's a power vacuum right now. Instead of Baghdad centralizing power, there has been created, what is basically different countries inside of Iraq. The US military is incapable of doing much because they are so outnumbered and because, unlike what the US media says, the resistance is well organized and has popular support in most areas.

Like every single regime change that America has ever tried since the creation of the CIA, this will fail.

The only problem with them electing a leader who is anti-American, is that he would only be elected on his anti-American platform due to the American presence. And we do not want another Tehran '79 now do we? No certainly not. However we should be thanking our lucky stars that the Grand Ayatollah (who's surname I have forgotten) does not follow the Irani line and believes that clerics should only guide government (which is bad enough) not actually be government.

What am I babbling about? Elections, elections my ass. There isn't gonna be a real election. You can't have a real election with a foreign army occupying a nation (hey this isn't pure marxist rhetoric, this time it's actually Machiavellian, although the first chapters of the Prince can explain why the US is failing, apparently it's not colonial enough), woah sidetrack. There won't be a proper election. Will it be like the afghani one? Where there were more votes than voters, and the man who was put into power by the US army, and who the warlords owe their continued power, was shockingly elected.

the original pyro
12-14-2004, 05:40 PM
It's been destroyed already... start rebuilding.

rebuilding has nothing to do with what was destroyed.

wheelchairman
12-14-2004, 05:42 PM
rebuilding has nothing to do with what was destroyed.
Off topic. We've all been saying hello here: http://www.offspring.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2341&page=4&pp=10
perhaps you missed it.