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ofsmurfsandpixies
05-05-2006, 12:17 PM
bnp are like the english nazis, and theyve got seats in our government now!there proper rascist and everything-it stands for british national party, but most of you probably knew that

wheelchairman
05-05-2006, 12:24 PM
And where exactly do you want the discussion to go?

Nationalism is on the rise. The Danish People's Party is the 3rd largest party in denmark now, despite rampant xenophobism.

Preocupado
05-05-2006, 12:27 PM
No, i didn't know what "bnp" was.

"The BNP rejects that it is racist, stating that it is merely standing up for the white British working-class. The party believes that racism is a part of human nature and describes its supporters as "realists"."

From the Wiki info they don't sound like nazis. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_National_Party)

JoY
05-05-2006, 12:34 PM
watch out, discussion on the loose.

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how exactly do you want us to respond to this? because all I can think of is "ow?".

jacknife737
05-05-2006, 12:58 PM
They are very nationalistic, and many members are very racist/homophobic, ect.

Little_Miss_1565
05-05-2006, 02:19 PM
"The BNP rejects that it is racist, stating that it is merely standing up for the white British working-class. The party believes that racism is a part of human nature and describes its supporters as "realists"."

From the Wiki info they don't sound like nazis. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_National_Party)

Sound like racists to me.

Sin Studly
05-05-2006, 02:22 PM
On the upside, the BNP want the English language taught in classrooms to all citizens of Great Britain...

ofsmurfsandpixies
05-05-2006, 02:28 PM
And where exactly do you want the discussion to go?

Nationalism is on the rise. The Danish People's Party is the 3rd largest party in denmark now, despite rampant xenophobism.

really! strange-it wasnt meant to really go anywhere, i just thought it was a bastard that bnp's could be voted in, particularly in dominantly asian area

H1T_That
05-05-2006, 02:38 PM
bnp are like the english nazis, and theyve got seats in our government now!there proper rascist and everything-it stands for british national party, but most of you probably knew that

yeah, so.....okay......

what now?

Rinoa
05-05-2006, 04:04 PM
Well, there really isn't much competition from the other parties at the moment except maybe the Tories. With Labour's current problems they lost a lot of votes so it's not too surprising that the BNP gained a fair bit.

JoY
05-05-2006, 04:18 PM
On the upside, the BNP want the English language taught in classrooms to all citizens of Great Britain...
awesome! they'd get my vote.

JohnnyNemesis
05-05-2006, 04:29 PM
No, i didn't know what "bnp" was.

"The BNP rejects that it is racist, stating that it is merely standing up for the white British working-class. The party believes that racism is a part of human nature and describes its supporters as "realists"."

From the Wiki info they don't sound like nazis. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_National_Party)

Maybe not Nazis, but most definitely 100% racist.

Also, it's funny how you quoted that, and not this:

"At its founding, the BNP was explicitly racist. In October 1990, the BNP was described by the European Parliament's committee on racism and xenophobia as an "openly Nazi party... whose leadership have serious criminal convictions". When asked in 1993 if the BNP was racist, its deputy leader Richard Edmonds said, "We are 100 per cent racist, yes".[37] Founder John Tyndall proclaimed that "Mein Kampf is my bible".[38]"

In 1999 is when they started being closet racists, instead of open ones though.

clokey43
05-05-2006, 04:44 PM
The point of the thread is not apparent but I'll add my view anyway.

It was pretty obvious that the BNP were going to gain votes and possibly seats. It's basically just to get back at Labour for the issues they have at the moment (obvious statement).

Many of the BNP members are profoundly rasist although the main leaders reject the statement. I personally beleive that the BNP wouldn't be able to run the Country as they only really have one core value or issue, this, however, is no different to any other Political party in England.

The Talking Pie
05-05-2006, 05:11 PM
If the British media stopped blaming all of our problems on immigrants, no one would know who the BNP are. I have no sympathy for a country that creates its own problems. We've been a racist nation from Day One; it's stupid to act like the BNP's oh-so-evil in comparison. And it says a lot about Britain when you give the layman the vote and he uses it to side with racists. It's ironic that these fascists are perhaps the best example of why man should not be given the right to determine by whom he is governed.

Sin Studly
05-05-2006, 07:28 PM
awesome! they'd get my vote.

Yeah, mine too.

TheUnholyNightbringer
05-05-2006, 08:53 PM
Personally I blame The Daily Mail.

Vera
05-06-2006, 02:38 AM
I'm reminded of Jenny and this one article posted online on some website called American Conservative about the sad state of British affairs, because nowadays fruit is measured in kilos and grams, not pounds and ounces (or as I like to call them, pounces) because the European 1337 is oppressing The Great British Nation who're not Pakis or ragheads or Jews.

Conclusion: I fucking hate Tories.

ofsmurfsandpixies
05-06-2006, 03:22 AM
fine-if you want this to go somewhere,whats your view on what would happen if the bnp came to power?

wheelchairman
05-06-2006, 03:25 AM
If the British media stopped blaming all of our problems on immigrants, no one would know who the BNP are. I have no sympathy for a country that creates its own problems. We've been a racist nation from Day One; it's stupid to act like the BNP's oh-so-evil in comparison. And it says a lot about Britain when you give the layman the vote and he uses it to side with racists. It's ironic that these fascists are perhaps the best example of why man should not be given the right to determine by whom he is governed.
Exactly. The BNP didn't create the market, they just cornered it. It wasn't the press who created the market, and it certainly wasn't the immigrants either, lower class crime has always existed in the lower class. The shocking thing about that is that people still find it shocking.

Rocky-girl
05-06-2006, 03:27 AM
Only for English they won't get my vote. Anyway I can't vote now. I think nazism now is a problem for whole world.

Sin Studly
05-06-2006, 03:55 AM
They want to stop immigration. I thought you wanted to stop immigration too?

Rocky-girl
05-06-2006, 04:28 AM
Me? Yes. But I still won't vote for them.

Sin Studly
05-06-2006, 06:05 AM
Well.... yeah, you're Russian.

Who would you vote for if you were eligable to vote in the UK, though?

Rocky-girl
05-06-2006, 01:30 PM
1. I'm Russian
2. I'm not allowed to vote even here.
I think I'm not good in politics mostly in foreign politics. But I know that there is LM group in Britain. I don't know it is or it was. But I think if I were able to vote I would vote for it.

ofsmurfsandpixies
05-09-2006, 11:12 AM
the thing about politics is usually there is like 2 parties that are likely to get into office-if you vote for a different party it hardly ever makes a difference

JohnnyNemesis
05-09-2006, 01:07 PM
the thing about politics is usually there is like 2 parties that are likely to get into office-if you vote for a different party it hardly ever makes a difference

Very astute, groundbreaking, original observation there.

ermdevi@tion
05-09-2006, 01:11 PM
But I know that there is LM group in Britain. I don't know it is or it was. But I think if I were able to vote I would vote for it.

I don't think you could call any of the Communist parties in Britain Marxist-Lenninist...mostly revisionist nonsense. We have the Scottish Socialist Party up here, an amalgamation of Militant Labour, Scottish Communists, Trotskyist Militant Tendency and, from memory, the Scottish Republican Socialist Party.

They hold 6 seats in the Scottish Parliament and I think they are part of the European Anticapitalist Left group in Europe. Maybe wheelchairman would know something about that - Enhedslisten are also part of that group.

0r4ng3
05-09-2006, 01:45 PM
the thing about politics is usually there is like 2 parties that are likely to get into office-if you vote for a different party it hardly ever makes a difference
Most of the time, those parties don't even intend to get elected. They usually just want to call attention to their cause. That, or they want to take away some votes from the two major parties.

wheelchairman
05-09-2006, 03:32 PM
I don't know anything about British socialism. Except that for a while the guy from the Dubliners was a member of the Communist Party.

Sin Studly
05-09-2006, 06:28 PM
He was a merry ploughboy?

wheelchairman
05-10-2006, 12:48 AM
and I think he ploughed the fields all day...

Sin Studly
05-10-2006, 07:43 AM
Did a sudden thought come to his head that he should roam away?

wheelchairman
05-10-2006, 11:23 AM
I have this feeling that he was sick of tired of slavery, since the day that he was born.

Sin Studly
05-10-2006, 07:37 PM
Perhaps he went off to join the IRA, perhaps it was tomorrow morn'?

wheelchairman
05-10-2006, 11:25 PM
Well I'm certain he's off to Dublin in the Green!

Sin Studly
05-11-2006, 03:14 AM
Where the helmets glisten in the sun?