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the original pyro
12-14-2004, 02:19 PM
everyone knows it could create a lot less crime to make its sale legal and affordable. Ofcourse, some people have moral abjections, and say that if legalized, advertisements would appeal to youth(much like in beer commercials) and cause an entire culture to become even more rooted with the substance, that, lets admit, serves no real beneficial purpose(unless medical, which it is already largely legal for that purpose). It is also harmful to the lungs and would likely increase the number of auto accidents a year, while it may reduce the number of those who die from gunshot wounds. But in the land of the free, should it be our right?

wheelchairman
12-14-2004, 03:11 PM
The only time you mention Marijuana is in the tiny writing of the question.

I personally don't care. The war on drugs has been a joke from the beginning. Especially since CIA agents have had a historical tendency to aid the drug trade while operating in South America.

People should really have their own choice. And I think the scare tactics used now, will make people lose faith in the fact that drugs can be dangerous. Honesty is the best policy.

DirtyMagical
12-14-2004, 11:00 PM
There are many reasons on why it should be legalized, but then again, if it was legal I'd probably have more trouble getting it ... since I have no money and am not 18 yet. so I don't really give a fuck.

But in general, I don't see why drugs are illigal... If a person wants to do them, then he/she will do them it doesn't matter whether it's legal or not.

SicN Twisted
12-14-2004, 11:19 PM
I think government prohibtion of crack cocaine has it's benefits.

4eh
12-15-2004, 04:34 AM
There are many reasons on why it should be legalized, but then again, if it was legal I'd probably have more trouble getting it ... since I have no money and am not 18 yet. so I don't really give a fuck.

But in general, I don't see why drugs are illigal... If a person wants to do them, then he/she will do them it doesn't matter whether it's legal or not.

the goverment "fights" for our lives! :D people under its influence can do anything

and you know i've posted "yes", but i really don't know. there are 2 parts in me for that question. The first one is 17 years old boy, who just like it, and another one is my mind...

Nicole
12-15-2004, 05:42 AM
I think it should be legal, but on the other hand where I come from it's relatively cheep and of good quality and already decriminalised and oh so easily available. I don't know. I guess it depends on where you live, if there illegal market is already excellent making it legal would just make it worse and take away profits from dealers, and I know heaps of those.

SicN Twisted
12-15-2004, 11:14 AM
Holland has legalized Miarjuana, and Canada has descriminalized marijuana. These two countries have pot that's twice as good and twice as cheap then where I live.

Danielle
12-15-2004, 11:21 AM
I'm not sure... I think that if it is legalized, it won't change much 'cos people who already take it will just carry on taking it, and people who don't might or might not, just like it is now.

morbid child
12-15-2004, 11:53 AM
i love weed....without that i dont know i would live
im not additied..i just love to be stoned!!!!
i get home everyday at 4:20 so i can smoke and then
at 8:40 i smoke twice as much....my birthday is on 4-20
IM A STONER!!!

Lithuanian Offspring
12-15-2004, 11:55 AM
Beer is legal, you can consume too much alchohol! Smoking is legal, you can go into intense shock and maybe have a heartattack if you smoke too much. Marijuana is illegal, you can not overdose on pot. Where is the logic?

Vera
12-15-2004, 12:00 PM
In a recent survey, Finnish youth was the one that drank more than any other youth in any European country. We were also the least to have tried pot, only 11% of the Finnish youth has tried it and there were hardly any regular users.

In comparison, 44% of the youth on the average in West and Middle European countries have tried it and around 11% are regular users (the survey didn't specify what 'regular' meant).

So you could show me all the fucking studies ever done that alcohol harms your body and brain more than pot does and I'll still consider pot a less cool drug. And overall very much an unacceptable drug.

So no.

Lithuanian Offspring
12-15-2004, 12:04 PM
In a recent survey, Finnish youth was the one that drank more than any other youth in any European country. We were also the least to have tried pot, only 11% of the Finnish youth has tried it and there were hardly any regular users.

In comparison, 44% of the youth on the average in West and Middle European countries have tried it and around 11% are regular users (the survey didn't specify what 'regular' meant).

So you could show me all the fucking studies ever done that alcohol harms your body and brain more than pot does and I'll still consider pot a less cool drug. And overall very much an unacceptable drug.

So no.
Alcohol does not harm the body more then pot, I was simply saying that you can not overdose on pot and you can with alcohol. They both destroy brain cells so you can't claim that one is better than the other.

wheelchairman
12-15-2004, 12:10 PM
Alcohol does not harm the body more then pot, I was simply saying that you can not overdose on pot and you can with alcohol. They both destroy brain cells so you can't claim that one is better than the other.
Harms the way you learn though. The potheads I know have the hardest time coming to school on time, and learning. The alcoholics on the other hand. Function.

Lithuanian Offspring
12-15-2004, 12:20 PM
Well, Alchohol kills the liver and complications in the cirrculatory system arise from drinking. And reproductive organs are also effected.

Zee
12-15-2004, 12:52 PM
Against legalizing it, those who wants to smoke it can do that already. Besides, I think we're having troubles enough with alcohol already, and say what you say, legalizing it would increase the using hell of a lot here. Vera's stats proofed the thoughts I already had, Finnish youth hardly uses pot. Knowing Finnish people drug politics, I must say it could go totally out of hands if it was legalized. Even some heavy users think so, I've read. Now you have to make some work to get the drug, and there's some "threshold" still existing... Like I said, those who really wants to smoke do that.

saska de o...
12-15-2004, 01:00 PM
Well, Alchohol kills the liver and complications in the cirrculatory system arise from drinking. And reproductive organs are also effected.
yeah, agree.. but if alkohol is legalize, so marihuana should be legalize too, 'cos it's sth like smoke but quite stronger :)

Vera
12-15-2004, 02:23 PM
This is kind of a useless argument as everyone is talking about their own country. In here, I wouldn't like to see it legalized. Like Zee said, with Finns it's like, all or nothing. When we drink, we drink heavy. Sophisticated drinking and Finnish people just never got the hang of each other.

So if legalized, pot could be like that. And heavy smoking (just like heavy drinking) does nobody any good. And I know too many alcoholics even as it is.

But would I like to see my friends get drunk and end up puking their guts out and with a horrible hangover the next day or would I like to see them smoke their brains out?

I'd choose alcohol. It's a drug but to me it's just this age-old, traditional drug. It's this honest drug. You know what you're in for.

Betty
12-15-2004, 02:51 PM
I'm going to disagree and say that I'd prefer to be around somebody who is really stoned than somebody who is way too drunk, although neither are really pleasant if you're sober yourself. People who are stoned are just mellow and stupid, whereas drunk people can be loud, destructive and obnoxious. I like drinking for more social situations to be social, but smoking is nice to hang out and not have to worry about a hangover.

I have spent many hours in the past researching the effects of marijuana, and I would conclude that there really isn't satisfactory knowledge about what the long term effects are. It does make chronic smokers experience memory loss, etc, but there aren't really any proven effects for occasional users. It is also a tricky subject to research, because there are obviously many sources for or against it.

So the opinion I have formed to date is that if you're gonna use it occasionally, it's really no worse than alcohol (and it's not like smoking cigarettes is all that great for you either). I'm sure some might disagree, but that's what I've decided, there's no solid proof unfortunately.

I think it would be a smart move to legalize it, at least in Canada, because it would cut down on the criminal activity, and having to hold drug dealers in jail who really aren't a "danger" to society, and then they can tax it all to hell like cigarettes and alcohol. Also, obviously I'm a big supporter of people being able to choose how they want to live and if they're too stupid to do the right thing, then that's their own problem. Although this only applies to things that would only affect them.

jimmyjimjimz
12-15-2004, 04:55 PM
I say legalize it, because then the government would make money off it, and just think about this: There's a drug out there that gives 80 year old men hard-ons called viagra. There's also pills to make your dick bigger. Those aren't natural at all, but marijuana, which is natural, because it's a plant that grows in the ground, for some reason, is illegal. I just don't get that.

acgc2002
12-15-2004, 04:58 PM
The only time you mention Marijuana is in the tiny writing of the question.

I personally don't care. The war on drugs has been a joke from the beginning. Especially since CIA agents have had a historical tendency to aid the drug trade while operating in South America.

People should really have their own choice. And I think the scare tactics used now, will make people lose faith in the fact that drugs can be dangerous. Honesty is the best policy.


has just expressed my opinion word by word.

Betty
12-15-2004, 05:04 PM
I say legalize it, because then the government would make money off it, and just think about this: There's a drug out there that gives 80 year old men hard-ons called viagra. There's also pills to make your dick bigger. Those aren't natural at all, but marijuana, which is natural, because it's a plant that grows in the ground, for some reason, is illegal. I just don't get that.

Just cause something is natural, doesn't mean it isn't dangerous.

SicN Twisted
12-15-2004, 05:08 PM
One of my best friends is a straight A student at Columbia University. He smokes massive amounts of marijuana. Pot doesn't interfere with learning that much, it only interferes with some peoples motvation, but that's more because they're not motivated to begin with and smoke pot out of boredom.

Most potheads are slow, but so are most people. Potheads act slow the way gay people act afemininite - it's cultural, not physical. I know this because pot is also widely used amongst intellectuals and college proffesors. I go to a pretty demanding music conservatory that's filled with weed smokers, many of whom are really good students. While I do think someone has slower reflexes while they're high, pot damaging a brain is a big cliche.

Betty
12-15-2004, 05:27 PM
I think it might have some effects Sic. Even if these effects may not be bad enough to seriously impede a person. Although, like I said, studies are very unclear with this, so I can't say for sure. I just wouldn't discount any brain damage at all. Or possibly temporary brain damage.

I agree with you wholeheartedly though. I'm in the top 1-2% of my school, and I smoke weed sometimes... maybe once or twice a month, sometimes more or less, depending on the circumstances, like if I have friends around who do that kinda stuff. Cause I would never just do it alone, like a lot of stoners do.

I know a few people who are serious stoners, and you would have no idea by just talking to them, etc. Although I have known a few, mostly in highschool, that were really bad.

It's a very good point that a lot of stoners seem dumb or unmotivated, because they already have the tendency of being dumb and unmotivated, hence probably a big part of the reason they are stoners in the first place.

However, this exact reasoning can be applied to other situations as well. For example, why a lot of lower income people do not go to university. Part of the reason is because they are probably less intelligent due to genes, not always, but I'd say overall yes. Also, their family has most likely not pushed them to succeed education wise or given them any desire to continue with higher education, due to their way of thinking. Therefore, when they give figures that 10% of low income individuals attend post-secondary vs 50% of high income individuals, and say therefore it's because they can't afford it, you can't just take that at face value. A lot of low income students aren't intelligent/motivated enough to do it and probably didn't even consider it. The amount of people that actually can't afford it, while it exists and is an issue, is much smaller. Obviously this is a generalization and there are numerous exceptions. And yeah, this is not on topic, but I have to take the opportunity of making a perfect comparison. Also, I'm thinking about how this applies to Canadian students.

wheelchairman
12-15-2004, 05:35 PM
I say legalize it, because then the government would make money off it, and just think about this: There's a drug out there that gives 80 year old men hard-ons called viagra. There's also pills to make your dick bigger. Those aren't natural at all, but marijuana, which is natural, because it's a plant that grows in the ground, for some reason, is illegal. I just don't get that.
Random question, what makes you believe that natural is better?

Betty
12-15-2004, 05:40 PM
Random question, what makes you believe that natural is better?

I already said that, don't steal my thunder. (insert gay smilie - note: I don't use smilies)

SicN Twisted
12-15-2004, 05:46 PM
I smoke weed several times a day, and I'm a straight A student. My friend smokes more then I do, and he's a straight A student in an ivy league colleges.

Pot has some mild short term affects, but it is possible and common that a motivated, smart, succesful person smokes regularly.

Betty
12-15-2004, 05:51 PM
I agree. Still doesn't mean it isn't possibly detrimental.

But, I also think that mostly everything is detrimental, so you had might as well live while you have the chance.

wheelchairman
12-15-2004, 05:56 PM
I already said that, don't steal my thunder. (insert gay smilie - note: I don't use smilies)
Yeah I just realized that. When I click on a topic I haven't read in a while it doesn't always take me to the last page. Even though I will believe it's the last page. Sorry about that.

Betty
12-15-2004, 05:59 PM
No worries, it was the obvious answer.

DirtyMagical
12-15-2004, 08:59 PM
I realize I already posted my opinion, but I just wanted to clarify, that i'm against legalization, I'm all for decriminalization but seriously it's as available as I need it to be.... You can get pot anywhere. Give me some money and I'll find you pot in any spot in toronto, in about 10 minutes. I mean if it was legal it would prolly less convinient, since there wouldn't be many dealers, so shit would be sold in stores that aren't too common... so you'd have to travel to get pot, while right now it's quite convinient ...people selling everywhere.

yeah i don't make much sense today.

Betty
12-15-2004, 09:22 PM
The thing about that opinion is that it's totally selfish. I suppose that's okay, but it's not really a "what is best for the country" opinion, it's a "what is best for me" opinion. I understand what you mean though.

As for me, as a non-avid pot smoker, I could NOT find it in 10 minutes in Toronto. I have made a few connections in places I have lived, but mostly only people who know people, etc. And I'm sure that if I ever moved to somewhere where I didn't know anyone, I would have no idea where to find any. I guess the point is that it's not THAT accessible. Also, if you don't trust your source, it can be laced, etc, and that's not cool. Hence legalization would make it safer too.

SicN Twisted
12-15-2004, 10:07 PM
Damn, I've found pot in 10 minutes in Toronto the the few times I've been there. Most public parks have dealers sitting on benches you can just ask.

Betty
12-15-2004, 10:43 PM
I suppose I'm too innocent for that kinda thing.

Mota Boy
12-15-2004, 11:12 PM
My friend smokes more then I do, and he's a straight A student in an ivy league colleges.

That might be considered fairly impressive/rare if Brown wasn't an Ivy League school.



And I have yet to hear a good argument against at least decriminalizing marijuana.

SicN Twisted
12-16-2004, 12:06 AM
Brown's an exception, I know it sucks, I lived there for a few months. My friend goes to Colombia.

And I haven'[t heard a good argument either.

Vera
12-16-2004, 07:03 AM
You, a straight A student?

I've no good arguments as I haven't studied the topic as I don't really care all that much, because I just don't like it.

SicN Twisted
12-16-2004, 10:03 AM
Wow, I've been waiting for someone to say that in this forum instead of calling their opponent an idiot, telling them they don't know anything, and parading the marine code of conduct.

Vera
12-16-2004, 10:12 AM
Yes, I am your average anti-drugs-and-don't-care-to-hear-the-pro-side-much-type of a person, I know that and I also knows it makes me ignorant. I'll abuse the legal stuff, kthnxbi.

What school do you attend, anyway?

wheelchairman
12-16-2004, 10:54 AM
He attends the School of Decadent Bourgeois Morals.

Ha take that one in the ass motherfucker!

Vera
12-16-2004, 10:58 AM
I was going to say "Hash Academy?" but even I don't always feel like taking the cheap shot.

the_GoDdEsS
12-16-2004, 11:47 AM
Personally I only voted yes, because so many people are using it I find it pretty useless to keep it illegal. And I guess it works quite okay in Holland, too. *shrugs*

4eh
12-16-2004, 01:59 PM
Beer is legal, you can consume too much alchohol! Smoking is legal, you can go into intense shock and maybe have a heartattack if you smoke too much. Marijuana is illegal, you can not overdose on pot. Where is the logic?

there are strong drugs, and weak drugs, so alchogol is weak drug, cigarettes are stronger but it doesn't make you insane as other do!

SicN Twisted
12-16-2004, 06:47 PM
McDoland's College of Hamburger Knowledge

GreenTerror
12-16-2004, 07:21 PM
I've never done any drugs, but I don't have anything against people who have. I don't understand how cigarrettes can be legal and they have a bajillion deadly chemicals in them and kills thousands and thousands of people, but marijuana is natural and hardly causes any deaths, and yet it is illegal. It's all a governmental conspiracy. THEY WANT US ALL TO DIE!!!!!!

SicN Twisted
12-17-2004, 12:04 AM
Not hardly any deaths. No deaths. Ever.

Vera
12-17-2004, 05:41 AM
McDoland's College of Hamburger Knowledge
Seriously?

I thought you didn't graduate high school.

SicN Twisted
12-17-2004, 10:09 AM
No, I don't seriously go to McDonald's College of Hamburger Knowledge.

And I did graduate high school. I had to make up some credits, but I did.

Noodles is gay
12-17-2004, 10:43 AM
Methinks it should legalized because itís no more dangerous than cigarettes and alcohol, the profit from sales could be used constructively by the government rather than profiteering drug dealers. Also it would be safer; no chance of being laced with anything, can help cancer patients as well as other disease sufferers (I forget which now.)

I smoke it at least once a week; Iím doing pretty fine in school, top of the class in half my subjects, and kinda middle in the others. So I donít think it holds you back at all, if I smoke the night before Iíll be ok the next day, however, with alcohol I might have a nasty hangover, which would affect my performance in school whereas weed will NOT.

Random fact, ancient Greeks and Romans used hemp for ropes, they also smoked cannabis regularly. It is highly likely that Socrates, Plato, Seneca or Cicero smoked weed, and it doesnít seem to have affected them. Roman soldiers would eat cannabis before a battle in order to calm their nerves - they conquered most of thir known world.

midnightfire582
12-17-2004, 03:19 PM
I don't think any drug should be legal. The only one you're hurting is yourself if you do it, and I think that as long as people know the dangers of what they're doing to themselves it should be totally legal, and I'm not just talking about marijuana, I mean any drug.

SicN Twisted
12-17-2004, 06:09 PM
I don't know about allowing crack labs to function and distribute freely is the best idea.

midnightfire582
12-17-2004, 07:12 PM
Why not? As long as people know the dangers of it they should be able to decide for themselves whether it's worth it or not.

neptuneUK
12-18-2004, 12:39 PM
isnt cannabis meant to be like less dangerous than nicotine or something???? :confused:

Unsanctioned
12-18-2004, 09:19 PM
I said yes. Not that i smoke it, i work with people who do though. My occupation is treework, btw.
I dont counsel anyone.
It doesn't matter if they legalized it or not, people would still get their hands on it anyway. Am i right?

T-6005
12-18-2004, 09:28 PM
Also... you can tax legal goods.

Paint_It_Black
12-19-2004, 05:39 AM
It's a matter of freedom. It should be legal. For anyone truly interested in this subject do a little research into why it became illegal in the first place. Interesting stuff.

SicN Twisted
12-19-2004, 09:28 AM
Most people who do crack are pressured into it because of exposure and poor conditions. I don't believe users should be stopped, but the drug destroys so many lives that it's fair to go after the people who create it.

Tired_Of_You
12-19-2004, 02:01 PM
I say yes, legalize it. But there's something I find ridiculous, government tell people to stop smoking, they ban it everywhere, but they talk about legalizing pot...if they want to legalize it why do they ban cigarette everywhere? It doesn't make sense.

Unsanctioned
12-19-2004, 03:02 PM
and have you seen those new "chronic pops?"
They say it tastes like the drug, but doesnt have the effects of it.
being sold in malls

Noodles is gay
12-19-2004, 03:11 PM
and have you seen those new "chronic pops?"
They say it tastes like the drug, but doesnt have the effects of it.
being sold in malls

What the hell is the point in that? :confused:

Surely you smoke weed for the effects (and of course the 'oh-so-cool' factor :D ) not just for the taste?

the original pyro
12-20-2004, 10:41 AM
I say yes, legalize it. But there's something I find ridiculous, government tell people to stop smoking, they ban it everywhere, but they talk about legalizing pot...if they want to legalize it why do they ban cigarette everywhere? It doesn't make sense.

pot smokers would get shuffled into little corners too. but I really dont think a lot of people would use it in an office setting, kind of in the way most people dont drink during work.

JoY
12-20-2004, 11:01 AM
There are many reasons on why it should be legalized, but then again, if it was legal I'd probably have more trouble getting it ... since I have no money and am not 18 yet. so I don't really give a fuck.

But in general, I don't see why drugs are illigal... If a person wants to do them, then he/she will do them it doesn't matter whether it's legal or not.
that's not very bright. do you assume every one of the population of this planet knows, realises & UNDERSTANDS what the effects of drugs are on the human body?? even with tons of education you can never establish that.

legalise it. wtf, I don't care, I don't use the fucking stuff. hardly anyone realises how much drugs (also something 'innocent' like marijuana) increase the risk of psychoses & even schizophrenia. how coke can ruin your organs & heroin can make you so addicted, that you can die from trying to kick the habit.

what legalising marijuana mainly does is decreasing the rate of crimes, because smoking the stuff simply isn't a crime anymore & can be eliminated of the list. what it also does is giving people a choice; to smoke pot, or not to smoke pot. for some people, who for instance from chronic diseases, or chronic pain, that'll be a liberation. it's no longer rebel to do, so anyone who would've smoked it just for the sake of going against the rules will automatically lose part of their interest in smoking it. & you won't believe the amount of people, that belong to that category. but mostly youngsters, for who it'd still be illegal.

legalising pot would cause a feeling of freedom of choice, which is pleasant. keeping your people pleased is highly important for any government. the people will be more willing to be obedient & accepting towards the rules, which puts the government more in control. police forces will also have to time & space to concentrate on more 'serious' problems, which also increases control over the people.

along with legalising become not only education about it effects, but also significant examples, that show those effects, an absolute necessaty.

SicN Twisted
12-20-2004, 11:31 AM
Joy, you're wrong about several things. One, marijuana doesn't increase the risk of psychosis, it actually decreases the risk cause it's a depressent. It doesn't increase schizophrenia unless you have active schizophrenia already, and then even so, it increases the risk about as much as watching a computer animated movie. Also, heroin does not have fatal withdrawl. You cannot die trying to kick the habit, not that I'm saying it's not incredibly addictive or anything.

Legalizing pot does make people lose interest because of the rebel factor. I spent some time working at a "coffee shop" and about 90% of our customers were American or British drug tourists, hardly any actual Dutch people came in. I guess if you grow up without a taboo on marijuana it won't be quite as appealing. That being said, it's not dangerous in any way, and it's negative effects pale in comparrison to that of alcohol, cigarettes, and even red meat.

JoY
12-20-2004, 01:00 PM
I don't mean to be a pain in the ass, but... unlocalised physical pain in an extremely large amount can cause shock under the influence of prostaglandines, that cause vasodilatation, & play a part in the chemical reaction that follows pain. that's why the joints of addicts, who try to kick the habbit, start to hurt so much & why their temperature goes sky high. it's an infectionreaction, your own body triggers, as a procausion in case the body needs to fight something that doesn't belong in it. shock means having too little fluid in your circulation. this can happen, when you have heartfailure, a case of overal vasodilatation, or an exreme loss of blood. when a state of shock isn't treated in time, it's severely lethal. the physical pain, that come with the physical withdrawl, -can- kill you. not that the physical symptoms of withdrawl last much longer than a week, but theoretical it's possible. I've seen it happen. the shock. it was treated in time.

& http://www.schizophrenia.com/sznews/archives/001193.html.
sure sure, your genetics play a big part in this. in about everything for that matter.
& not that this story proves a goddam thing, but I know quite a few potheads, one having an insane mother. she's the greatest pothead of all - partly because she comes from a disfunctional (the extreme way, not what they call 'disfunctional' these days) family & it sets her at ease & comforts her a little - & has been smoking the stuff since she's 13. now she's 18 & she has psychosis.
really, marijuana stabilises pain somewhat, it doesn't stabilise moods as far as I know. far from it.

this site supports my thoughts & so do many more. http://www.mental-health-matters.com/articles/article.php?artID=740 not that I judge, or get any of my 'knowledge' from internet-sites (thank god), but my studybooks support my point of view, which matters most to me. except I can't scan them & dump them online, because they're Dutch & it wouldn't make sense, because it's about the same info. my studybooks are a bit more theoretical, though.

I'm tired, so I'm certainly not telling this all the easy & the short way. & yeah, it's probable, that I'm making less sense than normally right now. *grins* bite me. ;p

SicN Twisted
12-20-2004, 01:31 PM
I don't mean to be a pain in the ass, but... unlocalised physical pain in an extremely large amount can cause shock under the influence of prostaglandines, that cause vasodilatation, & play a part in the chemical reaction that follows pain. that's why the joints of addicts, who try to kick the habbit, start to hurt so much & why their temperature goes sky high. it's an infectionreaction, your own body triggers, as a procausion in case the body needs to fight something that doesn't belong in it. shock means having too little fluid in your circulation. this can happen, when you have heartfailure, a case of overal vasodilatation, or an exreme loss of blood. when a state of shock isn't treated in time, it's severely lethal. the physical pain, that come with the physical withdrawl, -can- kill you. not that the physical symptoms of withdrawl last much longer than a week, but theoretical it's possible. I've seen it happen. the shock. it was treated in time.

It can't kill you. Withdrawl doesn't spawn overal vasodilation to the extent that you lose enough blood to perminantly damage any vital nerve endings. Withdrawl can be incredibly painful, and the worst it can do is parylize someone into a cold sweat in which they're unresponsive to stimuli. It cannot kill you though - the shock isn't severe enough. Alcohol and benzomine withdrawl cause such irregaul blood circulations that heart failure is possible, but not dope. In the hundred or so years of heroin's existing, there was not one case of death of heroin withdrawl. It's been affirmed countless times that heroin withdrawl is not fatal.


& http://www.schizophrenia.com/sznews/archives/001193.html.
sure sure, your genetics play a big part in this. in about everything for that matter.
& not that this story proves a goddam thing, but I know quite a few potheads, one having an insane mother. she's the greatest pothead of all - partly because she comes from a disfunctional (the extreme way, not what they call 'disfunctional' these days) family & it sets her at ease & comforts her a little - & has been smoking the stuff since she's 13. now she's 18 & she has psychosis.
really, marijuana stabilises pain somewhat, it doesn't stabilise moods as far as I know. far from it.

There's no indication that marijuana causes psycosis. There's nothing about the chemical makeup of delta-9 tetrahydracannibinol (if we must be technical) that can spawn psychosis entirely out of the blue. Of course, as I said, if you have active schizophrenia, pot will counteract with the meds you take against it. But it CANNOT drive someone into random psychosis unless they already have a history with it.


this site supports my thoughts & so do many more. http://www.mental-health-matters.com/articles/article.php?artID=740 not that I judge, or get any of my 'knowledge' from internet-sites (thank god), but my studybooks support my point of view, which matters most to me. except I can't scan them & dump them online, because they're Dutch & it wouldn't make sense, because it's about the same info. my studybooks are a bit more theoretical, though.

www.norml.com
www.marijuana.com
and especially http://www.drugpolicy.org/marijuana/factsmyths/

These sights prove that while the effects of marijuana are open to interpretation, there are no direct dangers to the brain. I also know quite a bit about the effects of marijuana through my studies of chemistry and botony, I've been part of pro Marijuana groups, I'm licenced to sell cannibis, and I've smoked my entire life. I'm still open to different approaches and ideas to their affects, if you think your studybooks are convincing I can read Dutch reasonably well, so bring it on.


I'm tired, so I'm certainly not telling this all the easy & the short way. & yeah, it's probable, that I'm making less sense than normally right now. *grins* bite me. ;

*Bites you*

JoY
12-20-2004, 01:45 PM
ah fuckity. *sighs* in that case...

*bites back*

Obie2trice
12-20-2004, 02:00 PM
I think it should be legalised, it`s not as bad as other drugs. Let people choose whether they want to use it or not. When you`re 18 you should be allowed to blaze a joint, you`re not hurting anyone with it

SicN Twisted
12-20-2004, 02:03 PM
Why should you have to be 18? Marijuana's most popular among teenagers anyway, so that age limit is just stupid.

Obie2trice
12-20-2004, 02:05 PM
'' Because you are wise when you`re 18 "

So you`re responsible for your actions, although I agree with you that it`s very popular under teenagers from 13 till 18

Tired_Of_You
12-20-2004, 02:10 PM
pot smokers would get shuffled into little corners too. but I really dont think a lot of people would use it in an office setting, kind of in the way most people dont drink during work.


They don't only want to put smokers in little corners in restaurants and in bars, they actually don't want to have special places for them anymore, there's even someone who told me that government want to ban it outside...but I hardly believe this. Anyway, the thing is that they don't want smokers anymore, but they want to legalize pot. If they want to legalize pot I think they should stop to ban cigarette. And yeah, I don't think bosses would accept that their employees are stone, but I'm talking about places like restaurants.

Betty
12-20-2004, 03:00 PM
I don't smoke cigarettes and I love the smoking ban. Cause it smells disgusting and gets impregnated in your clothes and hair until you wash them. Gross. I say the smokers should have to go outside. My parents are smokers, unfortunately, but they never smoke inside the house, it's awesome. So they would agree with the ban too, being smokers.

So, I see your point, but it's not really like it's a contradiction to want to legalize something but not want it to be smoked indoors in public places. You can still smoke outside or in your house/vehicle.

Now, I don't know if the ban SHOULD exist. I personally like it. But it really comes down to who's rights are more important. The smoker to have the right to smoke. Or the non-smoker to have the right to not be exposed to the smoke. And whether businesses (like restaurants) should have to have a separate smoking area, or have the right to choose, etc, etc.

SicN Twisted
12-20-2004, 03:23 PM
I like the idea of secluded smoking sections. Plus, Betty, what's next? I ban on busses because of all the co2 they exhute? You're gonna be breathing discusting shit no matter what living in an industrial country.

Betty
12-20-2004, 03:30 PM
I said I like it, but I didn't say that it should necessarily be that way. So don't act like I'm the biggest supporter of it or something.

Exhaust/factory pollution/etc is different though... cause it's outside.

I didn't even cite second hand smoke dangers as a reason for enjoying the smoking ban, I just think it smells GROSS and having it inside is not enjoyable. I obviously ingest disgusting stuff all the time, but I never smell as bad as when I come home from sitting in a smoking coffee shop... or a heavy smoker's house... and it's worse cause it stays on my clothes and in my hair. So it's just one thing that can make the environment more enjoyable for me.

So, yeah, I selfishly enjoy reaping the benefits, but I would never actively support it because I don't care enough and don't know if I think it's fair for all involved.

fuckoffanddie
12-20-2004, 03:40 PM
I don't smoke, but I believe it should be legal anyways. I'm pretty sure the only real reason it was cracked down on in such a harsh way was because of things like the Tobacco industry, paper-making, and timber industries. Before the U.S. outlawed it it was a good resource, too. That's my stance on the issue.

JoY
12-20-2004, 03:59 PM
They don't only want to put smokers in little corners in restaurants and in bars, they actually don't want to have special places for them anymore, there's even someone who told me that government want to ban it outside...but I hardly believe this. Anyway, the thing is that they don't want smokers anymore, but they want to legalize pot. If they want to legalize pot I think they should stop to ban cigarette. And yeah, I don't think bosses would accept that their employees are stone, but I'm talking about places like restaurants.
that's actually already happening here.
I think Scandinavia, or at least a part of it, already has put the smoking ban into practice.

wheelchairman
12-20-2004, 04:00 PM
Sweden has. Denmark probably won't, we have a very high percentage of smokers in the population. And I hope we don't, nothing's better than a sheesha at a cafť.

SicN Twisted
12-20-2004, 04:05 PM
Hey, I'm from New York City, we got the first smoking ban ever. Everyone's totally copying us, w00t!

Funny thing is, I worked in Holland over the summer at a coffee ship (which for those of you who don't know is synonymous with "marijuana cafe") and all the employees were discussing this upcomming smoking ban, that's comming in 2006 or something. My boss said that since the law obviously won't apply to cannabis, he'll be in a funny situation because most people smoke spliffs, which contain tobacco, and if that's allowed to cannabis cafes, he'll have to make a rule where you can only smoke a cigarette if there's some herb in it, or else you can't smoke it. Irony, huh?

Tired_Of_You
12-20-2004, 05:15 PM
I don't smoke cigarettes and I love the smoking ban. Cause it smells disgusting and gets impregnated in your clothes and hair until you wash them. Gross. I say the smokers should have to go outside. My parents are smokers, unfortunately, but they never smoke inside the house, it's awesome. So they would agree with the ban too, being smokers.

So, I see your point, but it's not really like it's a contradiction to want to legalize something but not want it to be smoked indoors in public places. You can still smoke outside or in your house/vehicle.

Now, I don't know if the ban SHOULD exist. I personally like it. But it really comes down to who's rights are more important. The smoker to have the right to smoke. Or the non-smoker to have the right to not be exposed to the smoke. And whether businesses (like restaurants) should have to have a separate smoking area, or have the right to choose, etc, etc.


I live with my parents, they smoke and I don't smell cigarette that much. My parents smoke inside but they pay attention to not blow all the smoke in my face, which for me , is perfect. I won't tell them to smoke outside of their own house because I don't like that. And when I see days like today where it's -25 C outside ( -35 C with windchill factor) I think it's better for them to be inside than outside, they can destroy my lungs if they want. Anyway, with all the pollution outside, I don't think smoke from the cigarettes will change something. If your parents don't bother going outside to smoke, then it's perfect, you can be happy because I'm not sure I'd do that, certainly not today, lol. Dammit, anyone would die faster with this temperature than by the smoke.

I still think it's kinda a contradiction...smoking pot or smoking a cigarette is still smoking.

In my opinion the ban should exist, but they should let a section for the smokers, because I think it's ridiculous to not let them smoke. I think they are far enough to not bother the non-smokers. At the same time, I think they should be able to not smoke during an hour or so but anyway...

Betty
12-20-2004, 10:23 PM
It is SOOOOO cold outside!

SicN Twisted
12-20-2004, 11:30 PM
I can imagine. Goddamn Canada.

the original pyro
12-26-2004, 10:55 AM
I live with my parents, they smoke and I don't smell cigarette that much. My parents smoke inside but they pay attention to not blow all the smoke in my face, which for me , is perfect. I won't tell them to smoke outside of their own house because I don't like that. And when I see days like today where it's -25 C outside ( -35 C with windchill factor) I think it's better for them to be inside than outside, they can destroy my lungs if they want. Anyway, with all the pollution outside, I don't think smoke from the cigarettes will change something. If your parents don't bother going outside to smoke, then it's perfect, you can be happy because I'm not sure I'd do that, certainly not today, lol. Dammit, anyone would die faster with this temperature than by the smoke.

I still think it's kinda a contradiction...smoking pot or smoking a cigarette is still smoking.

In my opinion the ban should exist, but they should let a section for the smokers, because I think it's ridiculous to not let them smoke. I think they are far enough to not bother the non-smokers. At the same time, I think they should be able to not smoke during an hour or so but anyway...

nobody really dies of second hand smoke.unless you work everday in a place where people come to smoke, like a bar or something. Its a scare tactic invented by the same people that tell you if you buy weed, your more than likely supporting terrorists.

greencows12
12-29-2004, 12:46 AM
i'm dizzy, I feel like my head is spinning back, and i'm floating off my chair, but i'm sinking backwards and everthing is getting taller. ik!