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Sin Studly
05-24-2006, 12:32 PM
Would you support having them in your country?

Why? Why not?

edit ; don't vote if you're a stinking yanqui, obviously.

wheelchairman
05-24-2006, 01:01 PM
In Denmark, I would vote no. For the following reasons:

1. It would represent a foreign political interest in the internal political atmosphere. And probably not an interest that would benefit me directly.

2. It would attract the attention of crazy-ass terrorists, and I don't want that either. Right now Osama Bin Laden thinks we're Norway.

3. We have no need for protection, as we have no external enemies. With the exception of Canada, who took Hans Island from us. FUCK YOU Canada. And Greece, who took Feta cheese from us. Fuck you Greece!

And that's all I can think of off the top of my head.

Sinister
05-24-2006, 01:07 PM
We have no need for protection, as we have no external enemies.

Same here. And I'll ignore the "FUCK YOU, Canada" part because I don't want to start an argument I'm bound to lose anyway.

sKratch
05-24-2006, 02:45 PM
edit ; don't vote if you're a stinking yanqui, obviously.

I wanted to vote "no" anyway :[

Little_Miss_1565
05-24-2006, 04:43 PM
Out of curiosity, why are you asking this now?

jacknife737
05-24-2006, 04:45 PM
I would say no, as it would simply it would attract more attention from groups like Al-Qaeda, as well Canada has no really need for any further protection, who's going to attack us, Libya?



With the exception of Canada, who took Hans Island from us. FUCK YOU Canada.

The world trembles before the might of Canadian imperialism

HornyPope
05-24-2006, 04:47 PM
Well there's the NORAD. We need a joint Canada-USA defense program so the military bases are a must. But that's only by virtue of proximity. I wouldn't want those bases if I was living in Russia.

opivy21
05-24-2006, 05:01 PM
Sorry, I'm American and I voted. But I was thinking hypothetically. I guess it depends on where you're at.

adombomb222
05-24-2006, 05:08 PM
Im American, just so people know. I didnt vote because of coarse I want U.S. Army Bases in America, matter in fact I live near an Air force base and an Army base. I dont think we should have bases in other counties, unless we in war, and I think we only have bases in allied countries. And if were allies with that country, their government shouldnt care, and their citizens should relies that America is an ally and that America would also protect them. However I can see the point with Al-Qaeda, yea I think its stupid to have bases in countries were groups like that can easily attack the bases or cities around them. Bases more north in Turkey are a bit safer, but still can be attacked, but not as much as a base in Israel. With a base closer to the threat, America would have to worry about the war were in and protecting the bases.

Sin Studly
05-24-2006, 09:27 PM
Out of curiosity, why are you asking this now?

I had an interesting rl conversation about it recently.

wheelchairman
05-25-2006, 04:51 AM
Im American, just so people know. I didnt vote because of coarse I want U.S. Army Bases in America, matter in fact I live near an Air force base and an Army base. I dont think we should have bases in other counties, unless we in war, and I think we only have bases in allied countries. And if were allies with that country, their government shouldnt care, and their citizens should relies that America is an ally and that America would also protect them. However I can see the point with Al-Qaeda, yea I think its stupid to have bases in countries were groups like that can easily attack the bases or cities around them. Bases more north in Turkey are a bit safer, but still can be attacked, but not as much as a base in Israel. With a base closer to the threat, America would have to worry about the war were in and protecting the bases.
Objection your honor! Relevance?

Sin Studly
05-25-2006, 05:20 AM
Indeed. I'm asking what the opinions of the people who would potentially be hosting these bases. Your opinion is completely and utterly unsolicited, irrelevent and unwanted here.

Preocupado
05-25-2006, 06:57 AM
I voted no based on this sort of actions:


All latin ppl in here should know by now that the USA military has just succeded on getting Paraguay's permission to stablish a permanent military base on its territory. The base is at one of the richest locations of the globe when it comes to natural resources as water and biodiversity. Not to mention the continental strategic location right in the tripple border (Brazil, Argentina and Paraguay) near the biggest dam in the world: Itaipu, wich provides our countries with a large and vital amount of energy. Also, there used to be a half-clandestine american base in there. Sounds like the authorities just put some lube in theyr anus so the rape hurts less for now.



The consolidation of military and economic control over Latin America has long been a strategic priority of the United States. In the financial arena, Latin American dependence is perpetuated by an illegitimate external debt and by new mechanisms of economic domination, like the FTAA and other multilateral trade agreements, which reinforce the macroeconomic policies determined by the international financial institutions and enforced by the United States. This economic axis of U.S. imperialism is backed up by an enormous military capability.


I just hope that, for theyr own sake, Paraguay wont let this be a free pass for private north american security companies (mercs) as Colombia did.

Just as a reminder: As published by the Newsweek Magazine right after the september 11th attacks, Douglas Feith, USA's sub-secretary of defense, made a suggestion to Bush: Invading the tripple border with airtransported troops in order to hunt Al Qaeda's members and permanently occupy the area with military supremacy.

Nina
05-25-2006, 09:14 AM
There are three american army bases in my city. And my city ISNT ALL THAT BIG.
Needless to say, I fucking hate their behaviour. I've had enough experiences. I have no idea what political/military reason keeps them here, but I havent experienced them not being here to judge which one is better.

Sin Studly
05-25-2006, 09:46 AM
I have no idea what political/military reason keeps them here.

Erm, World War II.... and I.

wheelchairman
05-25-2006, 10:04 AM
Actually it's probably cold-war leftovers. East/West split and all that.

Nina
05-25-2006, 10:14 AM
I agree with Per.

and Sin Studly...OBVIOUSLY. My question was why they are *still* here. Both the WW and the Cold War were pretty long ago and Germany changed a lot and all that jizz.

Sin Studly
05-25-2006, 10:21 AM
Do you honestly think they'd pack up and leave if you asked them?

edit;

and all that jizz.

Funniest typo EVAR.

Nina
05-25-2006, 10:26 AM
What makes you think it was a typo?
i meant sperm, i hope thats right


And...
you see, thats exactly why I say I hate their behaviour. They also have villages in my city, and they wanted to have a wall around their "village", but my city forbid it. So they did it overnight and it's here ever since.
WHAT TYPE OF FUCKING ATTITUDE IS THAT.
Go away, we dont want you here :(

Sin Studly
05-25-2006, 10:30 AM
Per and Simona will agree with me that unauthorised building of walls is as deadly serious a diplomatic faux pas as the failure to comply with coop-painting responsibilities.

You're right to be pissed off!

Nina
05-25-2006, 10:36 AM
You see, I talked about the attitude, not about the thing itself.
It might not be a big deal but not being allowed to enter that area as a person who lives in this city doesnt sound very appealing, generally.

Mota Boy
05-25-2006, 11:13 AM
and Sin Studly...OBVIOUSLY. My question was why they are *still* here. Both the WW and the Cold War were pretty long ago and Germany changed a lot and all that jizz.
Inertia. We're actually trying to reduce troop levels in Europe, as we, too, realize that it's a waste of resources. However, it's difficult for such an enormous shift like that. Plus, your town probably wants the bases there, whether they admit it or not. Even though the presence of a bunch of young foreign males causes certain social problems, suddenly decreasing the population of a relatively small city by many thousands of people would do some serious harm to the local economy.

Also, the expression is "all that jazz", unless the typo was intentional.

the_GoDdEsS
05-25-2006, 11:36 AM
PAINT OUR CHICKEN COOP!!


Erm, hahaha.

Sin Studly
05-25-2006, 12:37 PM
Inertia. We're actually trying to reduce troop levels in Europe, as we, too, realize that it's a waste of resources. However, it's difficult for such an enormous shift like that.

The initial force reduction with the fall of the berlin wall was pretty fucking impressive, in it's enormity and efficiency. But after such a huge reduction at the start, I guess you gotta really take it easy.


Plus, your town probably wants the bases there, whether they admit it or not. Even though the presence of a bunch of young foreign males causes certain social problems, suddenly decreasing the population of a relatively small city by many thousands of people would do some serious harm to the local economy.

Absolutely. They go on furlough, drink your beer, eat your food, fuck your whores, etc. etc. Entire towns spring up solely to cater to army bases, just like towns spring up around mines and tourist attractions.

Nina
05-25-2006, 03:54 PM
I am aware of it.
It has been said that the troops will increase. That's when everybody cheered. But I am confident my city could do well by itself after a while. The entire city is under contruction at the moment, and they're doing that to make it a touristic city like it used to be. Again, I'd like to think that it would work without the villages.

And yes, I already explained the jizz/jazz. Believe it or not, it was intentional.

wheelchairman
05-25-2006, 04:53 PM
You probably could. Your city is not small.

Thing is, the entire re-construction of your city is being done in part by the money brought in from the bases. So it's more or less quid pro quo.

Eventually they will have to go soon. American military experts think the bases in Germany are useless, and we're leaving places like South Korea undermanned.

I don't keep military matters under track though, so I'm not sure what the thoughts are now.

Sin Studly
05-26-2006, 02:28 AM
They'll leave a skeleton staff, I'm sure. Personally I'm just glad that Australia is the best place in SE Asia for their naval bases.

Paint_It_Black
05-26-2006, 04:45 AM
Personally I'm just glad that Australia is the best place in SE Asia for their naval bases.

Care to explain why?

Sin Studly
05-26-2006, 05:38 AM
For the reasons mentioned above, it boosts our economy, brings people in who buy our produce but get paid by another nation. And to be honest, the Australian Army is pitifully small, and constantly out invading other nations for 'humanitarian reasons'. I'm more than happy to have some Americans around to watch our back, especially with the increasingly volatile and hostile Malaysians breathing down our necks for being a 'Jew-loving' state.

Marco
05-27-2006, 12:04 AM
I don't like that idea for one main reason: US submarines/planes/ships can be attacked by terrorists. And once an US submarine risked nuclear explosion somewhere in Italy and I didn't like that news.

Mark_Bryan_420
06-03-2006, 08:44 AM
Here's somethin interestin'! Genesis;22:17 & ;24:60 talkin' about the gates of our enemies.

Mota Boy
06-03-2006, 11:30 AM
But I don't know of terrorists attacking US military bases. Mostly, it seems terrorists are concentrating on actively-deployed US troops (in Iraq & Afghanistan) or civilian targets. True, the USS Cole was attacked, but that was partly due to it being a US Navy vessel in Arab waters.

And Mark, the Bible did not predict American military bases, and was not encoded with secret messages specifically referring to the year 2006.

wheelchairman
06-03-2006, 11:44 AM
Sure. But Americans are targets. And terrorists are not nearly as centralized as the media seems to say. If some crazy fundamentalists in Denmark decide to off some Americans, let's not make it EASY.

Mota Boy
06-03-2006, 12:28 PM
But you're balancing a very real, positive economic impact with a fairly remote chance of terror attacks, which would be carried out against American people and infrastructure. How can you go wrong?

Hell, it's not like fundamentalist Muslims in Denmark seem to have a shortage of local targets. If they were attacking American army bases it'd at least take the heat off of your devastated cartooning industry.

Sin Studly
06-03-2006, 10:23 PM
The remote possibility of a bar being bombed because US servicemen go there on furlough is nowhere near strong enough to compete with the very real and definite economic impacts US bases would provide.

wheelchairman
06-04-2006, 03:54 AM
There isn't a ratio of acceptable costs of a terrorist attack to economic benefits of a military base. Besides which, Denmark is not a struggling economy.

Sin Studly
06-04-2006, 09:42 AM
I'm sure an economist could draft one up.

wheelchairman
06-04-2006, 10:11 AM
The Danish economist Lomberg is famous for that kind of thing.

el_monkey
06-05-2006, 07:42 AM
we in germany have like one billion army bases. best-known is probably the rammstein air base. the only advantage we have from those bases are the stores where you can get american stuff.
so I voted for no

Little_Miss_1565
06-05-2006, 07:45 AM
rammstein air base

Du....du hast....du hast mich!

Ninty Man
06-05-2006, 07:23 PM
No, because, there's no reason to put bases here in mexico...

Mark_Bryan_420
06-06-2006, 06:00 AM
And Mark, the Bible did not predict American military bases, and was not encoded with secret messages specifically referring to the year 2006.
Don't be so quick to determine what you don't understand. Iran,Iraq,China and Russia are not mentioned by name either,but they ALL are foretold in scripture usin' ancient names like China-kings if the east,Iran and Iraq-Persia,Mesopatamia,or Babylon,Russia as Gog and Magog Meshech and Tubal and America as Manasseh! Just follow the ANCIENT names and what the scriptures say about the LAST DAYS,and it all starts to come clear. Only Ethiopia and Egypt retain their ancient names as well as Greece, Britain is only mentioned as the ISLES AFAR OFF or Ephraim,so you must use the ANCIENT names to find out who the scriptures refer to. Another example is the Vatican ITSELF or Italy! It's simply referred to as ROME! Italy isn't mentioned EITHER,but it's referred to as Rome.

pathfinder
06-23-2006, 12:58 PM
I voted no.

Its not that i dont like the US armed forces.
I just think our own army is strong enough to protect my tiny country(NL)

HornyPope
06-23-2006, 02:43 PM
But that's a passage said by God to Abraham! How the fuck do you twist it that it applies to America, in year 2006, and to specific enemy?

Have you even read the passage Mark or you found it somewhere on the forum and thought it sounded cool?

Sin Studly
06-23-2006, 02:56 PM
I just think our own army is strong enough to protect my tiny country(NL)

Yeah, like when your mighty army protected Natal and the rest of the Transvaal from us?

Mota Boy
06-24-2006, 02:23 AM
There isn't a ratio of acceptable costs of a terrorist attack to economic benefits of a military base.
What are you talking about? Of course there is. Every thing you do comes with both a risk and a reward. Balancing the two is what economics is all about.

For instance - when you hop in your car to go to the store, you run the very real, but very remote, risk of being killed. Now, are you going to stay home and not buy what you need because you're afraid? Are you going to tell yourself that there's no acceptable ratio on your life? Fuck no. You're going to think that it's really silly to live your life based on fear of remote dangers. In fact, you're going to get in your car without a second thought to the danger involved, because you know the minute risk is well worth the tangible reward.

pathfinder
06-24-2006, 08:46 AM
Yeah, like when your mighty army protected Natal and the rest of the Transvaal from us?

The dutch army would pound the aussie army(thats where your from right??) into the ground!!

Sin Studly
06-24-2006, 10:31 AM
The Dutch army would be too scared to leave Holland, just like last time. Let the Germans do your fighting for you, it's what you're good at.

Cowards.

Mota Boy
06-24-2006, 11:35 AM
*yawn*

And America would level both your countries without expending a tenth of our nuclear reserves. Why bother arguing over who's in fifteenth place? Let us bankrupt our economies in order to maintain military superiority while y'all focus on social welfare and the like.

Sin Studly
06-24-2006, 12:00 PM
When was the last time the US had the testicular fortitude to holocaust anybody?

Mota Boy
06-24-2006, 02:00 PM
Are you fucking kidding? Did you want us exterminating the Vietnamese or aiding Pinochet because we thought Chile going socialist might hurt our power in our hemisphere? Just because we might not have been directly involved (though some of our corporations, such as IBM, helped out) in the biggest intentional mass-murder of all time doesn't mean that we haven't violated our fair share of human rights.

Hell, right now we execute our own citizens and torture/murder foreigners accused (not convicted or tried by any court of law) of terrorism, openly defying international law. Are you seriously going to claim that there's a first-world nation other than Russia that's worse than us? Keep bragging about your supposedly-badass football team like it's a big deal.

HornyPope
06-24-2006, 03:49 PM
What you Yanks lack is a bad-ass cult figure. Like a mythical combat unit that whooped some serious ass. Currently none of your idols has any respect anywhere outside the States.

101 Airborne? Patton? The first has fought on a pussy front in all-to-easy war conditions compared to eastern soldiers, and the second was bouffon with a mouth that embarassed his rank.

Your special forces haven't generally stood out. The Green Berets are cool and all but between the SAS and Waffen SS, Sayeret and Spetsnaz, it can't claim much the others haven't already done or repeated.

Ditto for your pilots. And anyways, the digital age has taken all the allure from the men and placed it on his machine.

Cowboy stories are pretty cool too but typically the lack of outcome and signifnicance in their battles makes it a dull topic in world affairs. You should have trained a Cowboy-hussar regiment and expedited it to the South or something or rented it to a European power in the 19th century, maybe.

So yeah, only place you have credit is sponsoring someone to carry a job. Fucking NEEEEEEEEEERDS.

And also conspiracies, JFK, Area 51, now maybe WTC&Pentagon.

Sin Studly
06-24-2006, 04:20 PM
Are you fucking kidding? Did you want us exterminating the Vietnamese or aiding Pinochet because we thought Chile going socialist might hurt our power in our hemisphere? Just because we might not have been directly involved (though some of our corporations, such as IBM, helped out) in the biggest intentional mass-murder of all time doesn't mean that we haven't violated our fair share of human rights.

None of them rank with genocide and ethnic cleansing, I'm afraid. You dropped bombs on the gooks. We dropped bombs on the gooks too. You supported Mr. Pinochet. We supported Mr. Pinochet too.

But then, my country was involved in a successful genocide, an unsuccessful genocide, and the ethnic cleansing of the dutch in Africa. My country is responsible for the extermination of a race ; an entire race wiped from the face of the earth. Permanant fucking extinction. Not even the Third fucking Reich could manage that. But we did it. Not because we were at war with them, not because they were communists, simply because we didn't like the looks of them.

Oh, and what Vlad said. You don't have any warrior-heroes, and if you did they'd be tame all-American faggots who fought honourably and bravely, saved damsels in distress without pressuring them for sex, ate apple pie, called their mother every Sunday, and always brushed their teeth.

As a comparison, our warrior-hero was executed for war crimes, six counts of murder against surrendering troops, and one count of murder against a foreign noncombatant... who happened to be a priest.


Hell, right now we execute our own citizens and torture/murder foreigners accused (not convicted or tried by any court of law) of terrorism, openly defying international law. Are you seriously going to claim that there's a first-world nation other than Russia that's worse than us?

The first thing to spring to my mind would be Israel. The second thing would be "Hey, wait a minute, my country puts people in concentration camps and tortures/murders them simply for being refugees, suspicions of terrorism notwithstanding"


Keep bragging about your supposedly-badass football team like it's a big deal.

Soccer team. And it's not a big deal, it's just good to see the dutch crying like fairies.

You've got a power, and you're exploiting it. But not enough. If any other nation in the world had your kind of power (excluding Canada, New Zealand, and all the faggotised Scandinavian countries) they'd be holocausting people for breathing funny. Don't let the 'big bad America' liberal crap fool you, you're still pussies at heart, no matter how many bad things you do to the helpless. Just imagine if the Sudan had your kind of power. Or, God forbid, the Serbs.

pathfinder
06-25-2006, 02:21 AM
you are one sick puppy

Sin Studly
06-25-2006, 02:29 AM
Don't drop the soap.

Oh wait, we never gave you any. That's why you all died of typhoid and diptheria. LOLZ!

pathfinder
06-25-2006, 09:16 AM
is that your humor??

I dont think anyone here shares it

pathfinder
06-26-2006, 02:10 AM
Are you fucking kidding?
Are you seriously going to claim that there's a first-world nation other than Russia that's worse than us? Keep bragging about your supposedly-badass football team like it's a big deal.


one word:


amen

Sin Studly
06-26-2006, 01:19 PM
Another word? Israel.

pathfinder
06-27-2006, 12:02 AM
huh????

What do you mean by that?

JoY
06-27-2006, 03:06 AM
The dutch army would pound the aussie army(thats where your from right??) into the ground!!
...we weren't there in the first world war. better yet, we supposedly weren't involved, but were most willing to ship stuff from the English to Germany & indirectly influence the war with our uberfantastic "neutrality".

when Hitler & his buddies were taking over Europe, we tried to keep out of it AGAIN. we weren't prepared, our army was shite & while everyone around us was suffering - Belgium, France, Poland, not to mention our OWN Dutch Indies, where we left hundreds & thousands of Dutch to rot & die - we were making deals to make sure no one would touch us.

the truth is, we weren't familiar with war, at ALL. we had no idea how it works, how to stop one, how to fight in one, how to participate in one, because we'd been cowards before with our head dug deeply in the sand. we made a PACT with the one authority that had started the war in the first place by breaking every single accord out there. I mean, there are no words to describe the stupidity.

we needed every bit of help we could get & the one thing that saved us were not the Americans, though they helped pushing the entire thing over the edge in the right direction, but Hitler's ultimate insanity. or maybe it was his sanity that made him realise he was losing his own war thanks to poor decisions back in 1941.

NOW we might know a little about war, but we're still afraid to mention that no other European country had a higher percentage of dead Jews than we did. we still are blind for how incredibly sucky we've behaved in the last war we were active in. & we're still unprepared for war. if our army was to come into action, actual serious action to defend our country, we'd still lose. even if only because we still don't fully realise where we stood in the last war we fought in; nowhere.

national pride, blah blah, I'm proud of my little clog-wearing country & its history. but it's mostly the individual histories, the little individual victories that we see & that can preserve our pride. saving one innocent life, or killing one rotten apple doesn't exactly save the day.

JoY
06-27-2006, 04:46 AM
& there's no shame in self-criticism, before anyone tries to tell me so. I'm not ashamed for my country, but I'm willing to be VERY critical towards our history. more nationalistic walking bundles of heroic tales should swallow that humble cookie.

other countries may have violated human rights all over the planet, but we mostly crushed human rights of our own population with our stupid attempt to stay "neutral" (no one can be neutral like the Swiss can, like we all should refrain from making pocketknives & quality watches) & chickenshit government hiding in England, having dragged the only courageous left, our queen, along. what's worse is the part we played in the Indies those days & all the Dutch, English & Australians we left there to rot & die in Japanese camps.

so I think we win this competition. if anyone has been violating human rights, we win that prize. because there hardly has ever been anyone stupid enough to leave an entire country & colony to rot. only Hitler had the brilliance to burn his own country down to ashes, but practically seeing it wasn't even his own country.

as long as Europe won't acknowledge their corrupt role - dancing on the line of decency & betrayal - will keep up their victim/martyr status & point out Hitler as the big bad mean man, we can't fully morally, economically & militarily recover. you'd think something that used to be as powerful as Europe would learn. could learn. we're still building monuments, but instead of remembering the absolute horror that was a result of our own ignorance, we build them to remind us that once there was a big scary war & how heroic we came out of it.

Rocky-girl
06-27-2006, 05:35 AM
Surely NO I don't want THEIR army bases in MY country! Maybe Army bases of my country will be better in America?

Sin Studly
06-27-2006, 05:08 PM
I would orgasm to see Russian military bases in America.

But anyways, yeah, the Dutch have a fucking shameful record, even leaving out the callow and spineless way they acted during the second Anglo-Boer war. I'm surprised you guys managed to remain a country for so long. And as for the Dutch Army pounding the Australian Army into the ground, what would Australia have to do to actually instigate that? We put your people in fucking concentration camps, rode them down and shot them like dogs, and the Dutch Army didn't leave Holland. To protect the British colonists of South Africa, troops volunteered from Canada, New Zealand, England, Scotland, India.... fucking everywhere. To protect the Dutch colonists of South Africa, troops never even came from Holland. You hid and cried and hoped the Germans would bail you out. You suck.

HornyPope
06-27-2006, 06:38 PM
Well they did send very pretty tulips to Canada for liberating them...

But it's a tough situation. No single country except Russia and the Serbs went on to fight the war after their respective standing armies were destroyed. Tales of heroism happened, sure and emigrees and evacuees (ie polish, czech, french) would contribute to the allied war effort but the Europeans in general suscribed to the policy "surrender when your army is crushed".

Eh, civilised pussies.

Mota Boy
06-28-2006, 12:19 AM
But then, my country was involved in a successful genocide, an unsuccessful genocide, and the ethnic cleansing of the dutch in Africa.
How far back in the past are you reaching? I went back thirty years for a couple examples, but most of mine were present day. If you want to dig up historical data, we engaged in centuries of genocide against the Indians as well as centuries of slavery. Hell, when we decided to end slavery - decades after the rest of the first world, mind you - we fought each other in the bloodiest conflict our country has ever seen. Men would rather die than give up their rights to own slaves. And then it was another century before we decided to give them the same rights as the rest of us.



What you Yanks lack is a bad-ass cult figure. Like a mythical combat unit that whooped some serious ass. Currently none of your idols has any respect anywhere outside the States.

While leading his platoon north on Highway 1 toward Ad Diwaniyah, Chontosh's platoon moved into a coordinated ambush of mortars, rocket propelled grenades and automatic weapons fire. With coalition tanks blocking the road ahead, he realized his platoon was caught in a kill zone.

He had his driver move the vehicle through a breach along his flank, where he was immediately taken under fire from an entrenched machine gun. Without hesitation, Chontosh ordered the driver to advance directly at the enemy position, enabling his .50 caliber machine gunner to silence the enemy.

He then directed his driver into the enemy trench, where he exited his vehicle and began to clear the trench with an M16A2 service rifle and 9 millimeter pistol. His ammunition depleted, Chontosh, with complete disregard for his safety, twice picked up discarded enemy rifles and continued his ferocious attack.

When a Marine following him found an enemy rocket propelled grenade launcher, Chontosh used it to destroy yet another group of enemy soldiers.

When his audacious attack ended, he had cleared over 200 meters of the enemy trench, killing more than 20 enemy soldiers and wounding several others.
The thing is, we keep finding out about our "secret" groups and making movies and computer games about them, thus demystifying 'em.


The first thing to spring to my mind would be Israel. The second thing would be "Hey, wait a minute, my country puts people in concentration camps and tortures/murders them simply for being refugees, suspicions of terrorism notwithstanding"
Israel and Australia both defy world opinion on the same level as the US, but they're relatively discreet about it. Israel doesn't go before the UN to make its case, knowing at the time that it's a pack of lies, and then proceed to ignore the UN when the organization doesn't buy it. We openly announce to the world that we're taking foreigners and putting them in prison camps, not only blatantly defying international law, but making the case that international law should be altered so that it doesn't apply to us.


You've got a power, and you're exploiting it. But not enough. If any other nation in the world had your kind of power (excluding Canada, New Zealand, and all the faggotised Scandinavian countries) they'd be holocausting people for breathing funny.
That may be true, but they don't and they aren't. The question wasn't whether America was the most badass, hard-hearted nation in the world, but whether it would nuke another nation. Give us another 9/11 or so and you might find out the answer.

pathfinder
06-28-2006, 01:13 AM
I would orgasm to see Russian military bases in America.

But anyways, yeah, the Dutch have a fucking shameful record, even leaving out the callow and spineless way they acted during the second Anglo-Boer war. I'm surprised you guys managed to remain a country for so long. And as for the Dutch Army pounding the Australian Army into the ground, what would Australia have to do to actually instigate that? We put your people in fucking concentration camps, rode them down and shot them like dogs, and the Dutch Army didn't leave Holland. To protect the British colonists of South Africa, troops volunteered from Canada, New Zealand, England, Scotland, India.... fucking everywhere. To protect the Dutch colonists of South Africa, troops never even came from Holland. You hid and cried and hoped the Germans would bail you out. You suck.


JESUS CHRIST how may fucking years was that ago???
What a load of bullshit. The dutch army never leaving holland.
dude come on.
As we speak there are dutch troops fighting in Afghanistan and Iraq.
My father was a sergeant in the dutch army
when Israel invaded lebanon the dutch peacecorps (called dutchbat) went to protect civilians.
Both my grandfathers went to fight the japs in the dutch-eastindie's.
And after that they faught with the brits and yanks against rebel indies.
And shut up about my country you guy's are a freaking prison for fuckssake.
We are the fairground for adults.

And about that shamefull record.
We kicked the spanish out in the 80 year war.
We destroyd the english spanish and french fleets.
Dude we kicked ass and still doread this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Anglo-Dutch_War)

pathfinder
06-28-2006, 01:53 AM
o and joy:

We know a little about war??
We have one of the if not the most technologicly advanged armies on this planet.

We could shove a missile up sins ass from 20.000 km.
We dont relie on gr8 numbers like the us.
no, we relie on our cunning troops and are weapons.

And sin stop bragging about australia.
yea its a beautifull country.
But you guys have more kangaroos then people.
And the people that do live there(like you) are the direct offspring of murderers rapists and al other types of scum

JoY
06-28-2006, 04:07 AM
I would orgasm to see Russian military bases in America.

But anyways, yeah, the Dutch have a fucking shameful record, even leaving out the callow and spineless way they acted during the second Anglo-Boer war. I'm surprised you guys managed to remain a country for so long. And as for the Dutch Army pounding the Australian Army into the ground, what would Australia have to do to actually instigate that? We put your people in fucking concentration camps, rode them down and shot them like dogs, and the Dutch Army didn't leave Holland. To protect the British colonists of South Africa, troops volunteered from Canada, New Zealand, England, Scotland, India.... fucking everywhere. To protect the Dutch colonists of South Africa, troops never even came from Holland. You hid and cried and hoped the Germans would bail you out. You suck.
...& in the Indies & Thailand we shared a concentration camp. don't be bitter because the gooks had the both of us working on the Birma railway. & this is a lot less long ago.

Rocky-girl
06-28-2006, 04:47 AM
What you Yanks lack is a bad-ass cult figure. Like a mythical combat unit that whooped some serious ass. Currently none of your idols has any respect anywhere outside the States.
He is right.

And I have a great respect to that Ukrains.

JoY
06-28-2006, 04:49 AM
pathfinder, you're relying on personal heroic stories again. that's exactly what I meant: "my grandfather!!" "my neighbour's family!"

honestly. fighting the Japs? that situation was goddam hopeless. they had *everyone* captured & working for them. the Dutch even gave up in the fight against Japan, which made them look down on us so much, they treated us as the lowest life form in Japanese standards. why? because they would've fought till death.

as soon as the Japs retracted, which was mostly a result of Russia's & America's work (Hiroshima, hello), we needed the Japs to stick around to protect us from the Indians, who were quite upset we'd repressed them for years & years. fight rebel Indians? dude, the government (STILL in England) sent a message; "uh, keep fighting, we want that colony!" without realising what the fuck was going on: 1/10th of the Indies was Dutch. it was a miracle in the first place they never fought back. the Japanese were nice & honorable enough to maintain the built concentration camps & guarded them to protect us from the people we'd treated like animals for decades.


I'll tell you a story; my grandfather went to the Indies too. not to fight, but to help the situation. he was one of the first to recognise the problem with the original habitants.


I'll tell you another story; my other grandfather was Jewish. he refused to wear his star, because he thought it was outright ridiculous. also he never handed in his bike, because honestly, fuck off. kudos to him. he had three false passports. someone DUTCH betrayed him, not once, but twice. he was first sent to Amersfoort & then to Westerbork. he was on the list for Auswitz, but my desperate grandmother knocked on every door she could find, untill she had the right door; the Jewish council. another corrupt organ of the nazis; a bunch of Jews at a long table, deciding who of their own people to put on a train to death. (the Jewish council was always sure that everything would be alright & that at least they'd always be safe, untill they had to fish their own names out of the bunch & had to erase their family members from lists for Auswitz) she begged them & honestly I don't even want to know what else she had to do to accomplish her goal, but she did it. she wasn't Jewish, so they'd never have Jewish kids. a law was made that said all Jewish men with an Aryan wife could go free.

in the mean time she was disowned & erased from her own family history, because her own father was NSBer & her stepmother was from the SS. talk about courage.

but did that stop the war? no, it saved maybe twenty Jews, but in those days that was the biggest victory one could wish for. 75% of the Dutch Jews were killed & 100% we betrayed ourselves. we handed them over to the nazis for a fucking potato or a bit of butter. that's how fucking scared we were. & 75% is by the way a worldrecord. no other country, except Poland, had such a high percentage killed.

courage doesn't cut it, dreamer. there were people that resisted, but in the end the Netherlands had given up to a point they thought it was better to HELP the nazis than to resist. we even created a sisterorganisation of the SS; the NSB. how's that for being fucking cowards? when the nazis asked us to make a list with every single Jew we had living in our country, we could've said "no" like other countries. they couldn't have done shit about that. but nooo, bureaucratic as we are those stupid asses went to work & gave them a full list of everyone they wanted. maybe your family hid a Jew or two, but like I said; saving one innocent life, or killing one rotten apple doesn't exactly save the day.

& do you know why we kicked such major ass against the Spanish? because we were half water, half land & if there was something we knew, it was water. but I hate to break it to you; these days wars hardly take place on water. & I thought you didn't care about history, but about our army NOW. well, you just went pretty far back in history.


o and joy:

We know a little about war??
We have one of the if not the most technologicly advanged armies on this planet.
'scuze me? we're not exactly poor, I bet militarily we're doing fine, but we DON'T have the most technologically advanced army on this planet. by far. if someone would drop a nuclear bomb on us, our entire country would be wiped away, probably under the sea as it used to be. (not trying to give anyone ideas or sumthin) besides, it's not a matter of having a well trained army, dear. it's a mentality, being experienced at wartactics. we couldn't even fight an antheap if it'd come down to that.



And sin stop bragging about australia.
yea its a beautifull country.
But you guys have more kangaroos then people.
And the people that do live there(like you) are the direct offspring of murderers rapists and al other types of scum
yeah, you'd say that, eh? but why do you think we shared concentration camps with those types of scum in the Indies, when Japan was taking over our uberfantastic colony?

JoY
06-28-2006, 05:08 AM
As we speak there are dutch troops fighting in Afghanistan and Iraq.

wait.. you're proud of this? that we FINALLY left our country for a war that isn't even ours?

accept it, man. we're a peaceful humble people. we grow tulips, build windmills, walk on clogs, do some farming, birdwatching, protect the bever.. we're little people (tall little people) with little hearts living in a little country. we love our country, our land, our culture, our language even.. but all we'll fully successfully fight is water. (& maybe mad cow disease)

if you'd just understand this, everything I've said, & honour our history for what it is.. you're blind with nationalism & family pride & it's exactly *that* blindfold that made us almost lose our lovely little country to the Germans. we thought we'd be spared if we were "neutral" like in the first world war. like we could actually seperate ourselves from the rest of the world & every country around us that was involved & lying in ashes. it's sixty years ago & we actually forgot the horror to a point that we're proud of our "accomplishment" & behavior during the war.

pathfinder
06-28-2006, 07:20 AM
Wy are you fucking your country over like that???
It make's me sad.
Ok you can put me down like every other asshole on this forem.
But leave your country alone.

Its bad enough an aussie(sin studly) is talking shit about our country.
But damm i never expected it from you.

What else is there left but honour and pride.
If you dont have that you have nothing.
Its alright to be a little patriotic ,or like me a huge patriot.
I love my country i always will.
And yes i am proud of what my countrymen are doing overseas right now.
They are guarding the free world you should c that.
Of it wassent for men like our soldiers Afghanistan would still be ruled by the taliban.
And more and more terrorist would be trained there.
They had to be stopt you must agree with that.

the_GoDdEsS
06-28-2006, 08:11 AM
Ok you can put me down like every other asshole on this forem.
But leave your country alone.

Its bad enough an aussie(sin studly) is talking shit about our country.
But damm i never expected it from you.


a) you are free to leave
b) obviously this thread is about arguments and arguing
c) you are not arguing, you're making drama and overreact
d) can you handle the internet and real life at all if you let everything you don't agree with affect you this much?
e) you're ridiculous.

JoY
06-28-2006, 08:27 AM
holy hell, shut up! because I'm Dutch, I can't criticise the Netherlands? what ignorant kind of patriot are you?! you don't do your country any good by saying "HOLLAND is great, everything HOLLAND does is great, we've never done anything wrong & everyone who says so is a TRAITOR!"

I don't need to be blind to know honour & pride. I'm proud of my country & honoured to have the priviledge of living here. but that doesn't mean that without question this is the best country on the face of this earth & that it has no flaws. if everyone would be stupid enough not to recognise its flaws, we could never learn from them either. now, THEN we'd have nothing to be proud of left. THEN we would totally suck ass.

you are betraying your country by not being critical & being blind for everything we've done wrong in the past & should do better in the future.

& if you think the Netherlands is right to butt in & mind other people's business to fight for a free world, then go ahead. but I still think it's pretty goddam retarded to fight for peace & to force a Western culture on an Eastern country. this whole Afghanistan/Iraq shit is going WAY beyond terrorism & catching Taliban organisations. you must agree with that.

but the discussion wasn't even necessarily about that.

HornyPope
06-28-2006, 02:18 PM
Chon-who?

Actually I recall someone brought up that name once on fark when they commemorated the passing of that Canadian guy who was awarded the Victoria Cross for taking three panzers once. Yeah, Chontosh was called the American equivalent to a Canadian hero. So much for an icon.

For crying out loud, the German units isolated in pommerania and sudentland were fighting westward against the Red Army (the front being in western prussia at the time) so they can surrender to the Americans. How's that for a vagina country?

Sin Studly
06-28-2006, 03:29 PM
America is vaginated, no two ways about it.

Seriously, just look at your heroes. That says enough.

Your heroes are white-hats, who are portrayed as never having a bad thought in their body, who do tremendous acts of courage because they're necessary, and who go home and eat apple pie.

Look at Serbia, their national hero flooded the Danube with Turk blood. Or Romania, whose national hero made a fucking forest of Turks. And it's not an east/west thing, like I said ; over here our greatest war hero was executed for war crimes for murdering a missionary priest from a nation we weren't even fighting. All those good men who fought bravely and died are forgotten, our national 'war heroes' are a war criminal, a rebel who got shot 30 times and hanged trying to start a civil war, an Irish gangster who ran a crime syndicate that dealt in murdering passers-by and selling their flesh as food during the depression, and a psychotic criminal who led the 'Overcoat Wars' in pentridge prison's H division and eventually cut his own ears off.

This is all deep national-psyche stuff. And you can't compete with a country founded by rapists and murderers. But hey, at least you're not the Dutch.

pathfinder
06-29-2006, 03:26 AM
a) you are free to leave
b) obviously this thread is about arguments and arguing
c) you are not arguing, you're making drama and overreact
d) can you handle the internet and real life at all if you let everything you don't agree with affect you this much?
e) you're ridiculous.


holy hell, shut up! because I'm Dutch, I can't criticise the Netherlands? what ignorant kind of patriot are you?! you don't do your country any good by saying "HOLLAND is great, everything HOLLAND does is great, we've never done anything wrong & everyone who says so is a TRAITOR!"

I don't need to be blind to know honour & pride. I'm proud of my country & honoured to have the priviledge of living here. but that doesn't mean that without question this is the best country on the face of this earth & that it has no flaws. if everyone would be stupid enough not to recognise its flaws, we could never learn from them either. now, THEN we'd have nothing to be proud of left. THEN we would totally suck ass.

you are betraying your country by not being critical & being blind for everything we've done wrong in the past & should do better in the future.

& if you think the Netherlands is right to butt in & mind other people's business to fight for a free world, then go ahead. but I still think it's pretty goddam retarded to fight for peace & to force a Western culture on an Eastern country. this whole Afghanistan/Iraq shit is going WAY beyond terrorism & catching Taliban organisations. you must agree with that.

but the discussion wasn't even necessarily about that.


i think im just gonne kill myself

Rocky-girl
06-29-2006, 04:22 AM
Its bad enough an aussie(sin studly) is talking shit about our country.
Oh, don't take it so close to your heart! He told this almost about every country, but sometimes he is right.

Its alright to be a little patriotic ,or like me a huge patriot.
I love my country i always will.
And yes i am proud of what my countrymen are doing overseas right now.

I think everybody here loves his/her country. That's why this thread was started. America suffocates all around it! And do you think that I want to live in America? SO why they want to made me live there? Is it that perfect democracy?

Mota Boy
06-29-2006, 04:47 AM
America is vaginated, no two ways about it...

This is all deep national-psyche stuff. And you can't compete with a country founded by rapists and murderers. But hey, at least you're not the Dutch.
Again, I'm not trying to argue that America is the most bad-ass, psychotic nation on Earth. I'm just arguing that we have the will to use the overwhelming technological superiority we possess. Even if Serbia can out-crazy us any day of the week, it doesn't matter - a few years ago we killed a bunch of them because we didn't like what they were doing in their own country, while their biggest "victory" in the war was shooting down one of our planes and letting the pilot slip away. And that was for a humanitarian mission.

In the early days of the Cold War, there was a large movement in the Pentagon that viewed war with the USSR as inevitable and wanted to nuke Russia before they could catch up to us in the missile race. Hell, the heads of the Joint Chiefs of Staff OK'd a plan that would set off bombs in the US and murder American citizens just to give us the excuse to invade Cuba. We're the only nation on Earth that's ever used an atomic weapon against another country. And we don't care about world opinion when it conflicts with our national interest, even if our "national interest" is defined as invading a sovereign state that isn't threatening us in any fashion whatsoever. Call us pussies if you want, but over the past decade or two we've started more wars and killed more foreigners than any other nation. We may not be the craziest, but we're certaily crazy enough.

HornyPope
06-29-2006, 06:37 PM
Technology is synonymous with vagina though. Notice both words have a "N", yes?

Your succes is technology, your technology is a product of nerds who couldn't score before adding doctor to their name, your nerds are a generation of well-educated folks whose tragedy in life wasn't racial or religious discrimination, growing up under a fascist state nor taking arms to drive out foreign invadors but fighting bullies for their lunch money in schools, being called fat and ugly, convincing parents that an extra 15000$ for prep school is really worth it and interviews from psychologist that suspects the child is a little anti-social.

It's extremly vaginating to count those on top.


Call us pussies if you want, but over the past decade or two we've started more wars and killed more foreigners than any other nation.

Touche, but only because your reach extends that far. As Justin said, give the Serbians the ability to circumvent the UN security council and reprisals from member nations and they would have cleansed the Balkans of Albanians, Bosnians, Turks, consifacated the lands of Bulgaria and Greece, expelled Croatians to Italy, Slovenians to Austria between the time your 1054th and 1055th soldier died in Iraq. And I say this not knowing how exactly those two died--could be that they were killed minutes apart in a single ambush.

Mota Boy
06-29-2006, 08:11 PM
Again, though, you're merely playing with hypotheticals.

Sin Studly
06-30-2006, 02:51 AM
So? You're still pussies. Imagine if Serbia had the bomb. The fact remains that Australia is the craziest western nation in existance, and we don't even come close to the sanest nations in the east.

You happen to be one of the faggiest western nations. You just have a better army. And my original point was never 'who has the biggest army'. It was 'who's the biggest fucking pussy in the west'. And the answer is obviously Holland.

pathfinder
06-30-2006, 06:59 AM
thats BS man and you know it.

Ok i agree with joy my made mistakes and werent always the most valliant of nations.

But australia beeing the baddest western country??????? you must be kidding me.

What did australia do to be this bad ass and im talking about the last 50 years orso.

ok i agree i talked my fair share of BS.
But damm dude even i could not that that mutch bullshit

the_GoDdEsS
06-30-2006, 07:05 AM
The pre-Whitlam Australia was rather cool.

Do you argue by calling other people's arguments and facts bullshit? That's fairly interesting. Really, you're failing to get your so-called point across. Probably because you don't even have one, in the first place.

JoY
06-30-2006, 07:44 AM
And the answer is obviously Holland.
I don't know about that. such an honour, but that's not exactly what I tried to accomplish. I guess you figured so much.

at least now we have a government that's willing to admit mistakes & step down. (I'm so liking the latest political crisis over here) we're tiny, seeing circumstances I think there have been moments in more recent history we've been pretty brave. there were always circumstances in history, that didn't make it right, but that did make actions very understandable. I won't go into it, I think I've told/said more than enough.

Sin Studly
06-30-2006, 04:00 PM
What did australia do to be this bad ass and im talking about the last 50 years orso.

When Japan was going to invade us and America sent troops, we asked that they not send any chinks or niggers. White Australia ftw. And let's not forget the lessons we learned from Hitler (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stolen_generation) and instituted as social policy... or the lessons Hitler learned from us (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Line).

pathfinder
07-01-2006, 10:12 AM
and that makes australia the most bad ass western country??
More bad ass then the UK france spain US everything????

JoY
07-01-2006, 07:32 PM
in the end, you can compare countries' histories as much as individual histories; not.

Sin Studly
07-02-2006, 12:55 AM
Spain was cool. Franco was cool. The UK was always vaginated, even at their heighth of power. They tried to stop the genocide here. They're vaginas.

But the French? Only a callow Dutchman could ever try to favourably compare France's 'badassness' to any other nation.

pathfinder
07-02-2006, 02:15 AM
Every country has its badd ass moments and its pussy moments.

Sin Studly
07-02-2006, 03:58 AM
I'm gonna end this argument right here with some visual aids.

Holland
http://images.usatoday.com/life/gallery/austin-powers/goldmember.jpg

Australia
http://www.anni80.info/movies/images/dundee.jpg

End of fucking discussion.

JoY
07-02-2006, 06:58 AM
& the Dutch creature in Austin Powers, Goldmember spoke German.

& we don't have crockodiles. it's a matter of climate, if you look at it that way.

speaking of climate:
http://images.google.nl/images?q=tbn:F5uBIBh78WJ8oM:www.kolumbus.fi/nedver/images/1953/kaart_Nederland.gif
http://www.zeeuwsarchief.nl/strijdtegenhetwater/images/dd4.GIF
http://www.radionetherlands.nl/assets/images/030129zeeland3.jpg
http://www.cementbouw.nl/hi/img/landkaart/nederland.gif

pathfinder
07-03-2006, 02:26 AM
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines06/images/0112-11.jpg
the deltaworks stopping the northsea


http://www.rikz.nl/home/img/nieuwe-waterweg.jpg

the biggest freaking robotarm on the planet again stopping the northsea.

its protecting this: (this is just a tiny section of rotterdam harbour)

http://www.qedata.se/bilder/artiklar/rotterdam_flygbild.jpg

http://www.stefaniasofra.it/viagginelmondo/Olanda/images/diga%20di%20Afsluitdijk.jpg
the afsluitdijk this thing turned the zuiderzee(south sea) into the ijselmeer.


i think this is what makes us baddass the fact that we are fighting against a sea and we are winning.

people say:
god made the world the dutch made holland.

And i think that fraze is a good way to stop this argument

Sin Studly
07-03-2006, 05:59 AM
Please, don't let's talk climate. I was born in the badlands.

pathfinder
07-03-2006, 06:58 AM
so i was born in the lowlands

Mooose
07-03-2006, 07:10 AM
America's big enough to hold its army, we don't need its army in our country. And I know theres an economic reason why they do it, but lets face it, is there a richer country? (Apart from maybe Japan)

pathfinder
07-04-2006, 02:04 AM
all those oil country's in the middle east.
but if they would smell a US soldier theyd go beserk.

Sin Studly
07-04-2006, 06:15 AM
so i was born in the lowlands

Still six feet too high for my liking.

MuddahFukkah
07-12-2006, 10:55 AM
I HATE YOU!!...

I HATE YOU ALL, YOU FUCKING MILITANTS!!!!......... :mad:

I am watching you guys like you are horny when arguing about the power of your countries' armies and presenting yourself as "The Offspring fans" at the same time when doing it here, on The Offspring board... I am sick of you...
The Offspring is a punk-rock band, OK?... Are you listening them because of their music, lyrics and opinions or because of their looks, suckers??... I guess the second one!...

I will tell you something... The distant dutch imperialism is not worse than the american one... And vice versa... OK?... The both nations should be ashamed...

Currently, there are speeches in my country about placing of an american rocket base here... No one wants it here... No one!!... And I will tell you why...

Because all of our people know it would not bring anything good... Except for the demand for the whores (irony.. Roger that?)... Everyone knows what american army wants... Another sphere of influence (which it already has in there)...
Honestly, I don't give a fuck what they want... I don't want to bootlick the american boots and support the american jihad for the stronger dollar against all the countries of the world who dont want to buy hamburgers!!....

That's why I voted "NO"...

P.S. Can you imagine any foreign military base at the area of the United States??... I guess not...

PEACE... :cool:

0r4ng3
07-12-2006, 11:18 AM
...

Too bad there's a character limit for sig quoting.

Rocky-girl
07-12-2006, 01:43 PM
Please, don't let's talk climate. I was born in the badlands.
I can't see the connection.


Are you listening them because of their music, lyrics and opinions or because of their looks, suckers??... I guess the second one!...
I guess you're one of them! Why have you come here? To say I HATE YOU? Or to find here tru punx? May be you'll explain yourself?

That_Guy91
07-12-2006, 04:15 PM
...

Too bad there's a character limit for sig quoting.
Sig the link!- http://www.offspring.com/forums/showpost.php?p=852953&postcount=99

MuddahFukkah
07-13-2006, 06:37 AM
I guess you're one of them! Why have you come here? To say I HATE YOU? Or to find here tru punx? May be you'll explain yourself?

Nope... I didn't come to say "I HATE YOU..."

I came to express my feelings about the hypocrisy I see here...

When I see the new generation of rebels I want to cry... What I see are the attitudes like "Yeah, I am cool punk, but I really am proud of our army and I support its deeds..." That's what I call "hypocrisy"... And I am sick of hypocrisy... You not?...

And no, I didn't come to find some true punx... Who is true punk??... It is very relative... You cannot define that... But you can find people here, who might sympathize with punk at least... That's what I thought...

I don't recognize myself as a punk nor as a "true punk"... I recognize myself as someone who hates all the wars, fighting, killing, raping and imperialism which is cause of it all...
Fortunately, I didn't experience anything of that and I don't want to either...

What I want to say is that I wasn't expecting to find here anyone defending the usefullness of military bases anywhere... The money for all the armies and weapons can be spent in much more useful way... Education, research, health care, international co-operation, enforcement of United Nations etc. etc.

Now, you might think I am idealist or something, but I am not... These things ARE possible, but not without will to do them... So far, there is no will... And some people I see here doesn't seem to posses of this will, too...

Mark_Bryan_420
07-13-2006, 08:13 AM
But that's a passage said by God to Abraham! How the fuck do you twist it that it applies to America, in year 2006, and to specific enemy? TWIST? :rolleyes: I'll answer THAT allegation with the link below!


Have you even read the passage Mark or you found it somewhere on the forum and thought it sounded cool?
http://www.ensignmessage.com/archives/ephraim.html Here we go! Be sure and read the WHOLE article when you get time,or PRINT it and read it later. It makes PERFECT SENSE!

Sin Studly
07-13-2006, 09:42 AM
stupid trupunx bullshit

Bezcenny hlupak.

Mark_Bryan_420
07-13-2006, 10:58 AM
http://www.ensignmessage.com/archives/whodoyou.html Here's one about the sea gates (military bases) around the world,provin' I ain't twistin' scripture! Print it for readin' later if you can't read it now.

Mark_Bryan_420
07-13-2006, 11:30 AM
http://www.ozedweb.com/history/oz_british_empire_growth.htm Here's a map of Ephraim's multitude of nations in blue! Genesis;48:16-19

Rocky-girl
07-13-2006, 12:56 PM
Bezcenny hlupak.
On ne hlupak. Ale ľudia pomyslieť že ty hlupak, ak ty ne budes pokšať sa porozumieť jeho. Mj kriv jazyk...

MuddahFukkah, you're adult person! But you live in your own world, and I think( may be I'm wrong) that without politics your life will be better, but I also think that every person has to be interested in it, it's a pity, but our life couldn't be separated from politics.:(

HornyPope
07-13-2006, 01:33 PM
Mark, what church you're part of? It almost sounds like the Latter Day Saints but more militant.

Anyways, your theories are wack. I'll never question a man's faith but herein, in the two articles, there presents so much reaching and twisting and fixation with certain passages (in english lol) and presented in revisionist form to connect one dot to another and only argument to support those connectons between the dots is that "it makes literal sense". Which is absolutly invalid as a mean to prove that a given event has occured.

pathfinder
07-14-2006, 04:12 AM
On ne hlupak. Ale ľudia pomyslieť e ty hlupak, ak ty ne budes pokať sa porozumieť jeho. Mj kriv jazyk...(

WTF
What dose it say enlighten me please.

Mota Boy
07-14-2006, 04:28 AM
To think that God, the creator of the universe, wrote the Bible two thousand years ago as an allegory for the current day seems to me rather egocentric. Messages about world affairs discovered in the Bible are no more authentic than messages about your own life discovered in the astrology column.

Mota Boy
07-14-2006, 05:47 AM
...

Too bad there's a character limit for sig quoting.
That was my exact thought upon reading that brilliant post.

Rocky-girl
07-14-2006, 06:27 AM
WTF
What dose it say enlighten me please.
Nothing interesting, you can trust me. I asked Sin Studly to be more tolerant. BUt I must add that I did that in very bad way....

Mark_Bryan_420
07-14-2006, 07:33 AM
Mark, what church you're part of? It almost sounds like the Latter Day Saints but more militant. Non denominational,independent.


Anyways, your theories are wack. I'll never question a man's faith but herein, in the two articles, there presents so much reaching and twisting and fixation with certain passages (in english lol) and presented in revisionist form to connect one dot to another and only argument to support those connectons between the dots is that "it makes literal sense". Which is absolutly invalid as a mean to prove that a given event has occured.
Revisionist? Can you explain that to me? How can the Jews (Judah) fulfill the BIRTHRIGHT promises of world domination? Do they possess the gates of their enemies as we do? Do they claim to have a commonwealth of nations as the Brits? Where's all this twistin' and fixation,and if so,which passages?

Mark_Bryan_420
07-14-2006, 07:47 AM
To think that God, the creator of the universe, wrote the Bible two thousand years ago as an allegory for the current day seems to me rather egocentric. Messages about world affairs discovered in the Bible are no more authentic than messages about your own life discovered in the astrology column. Not authentic? Isaiah ;31:5,Matthew ;24:32-36 and Luke;21:24 refer to the 6-Day War in 1967 and were not fulfilled in 700 B.C.E. or 30 C.E.(A.D.) Read those passages and you'll see what I mean! In Revelation where they talk about the two witnesses bein'killed,it says,they of the NATIONS,KINDREDS,and Tongues (The WHOLE world)shall SEE their dead bodies lyin' in the streets! Did that happen in 96 C.E.? :rolleyes: NO! When was the T.V. invented?

ermdevi@tion
07-15-2006, 03:38 AM
Non denominational,independent.

So in other words, it's you, your ma' and your pa'?

Mark_Bryan_420
07-15-2006, 06:15 AM
Just me. No one else.