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DeAtHsTaR
06-26-2006, 10:26 PM
For me it's Tomas Kalnoky. He just writes some amazing lyrics.

POINT/COUNTERPOINT

i've got a gun in my hand but that gun won't cock
my finger's on the trigger but that trigger seems locked
i can't stop staring at the tick tock clock
and even if i could i would never give up
with a vest on my chest, a bullet in my lung
i can't believe i'm dying with my song unsung
and if and when i die won't you bury me alone?
because i'll never get to heaven if i'm singing this song:

if there was something wrong would you be oh so strong?
would you do what it takes to move this hollow life along?
i'd like to think i would, you know i'd like to think i would
but i guarantee that what you see is not reality
and every time she makes a point i make a counterpoint
she said it's easy but in the end you'll have no choice
and you know that's only just the way it goes
(you said it right man, that is just the way it goes)
and the days, and the days they seem like forever
and the days, and the days they seem like forever
but forever isn't ever enough
i'd like to sing a song (promise you won't be long)
i'll try not to be long but i don't want to get this story wrong
there was a kid who never cared about the little things
don't even bother 'cause i'm tired and i'm sick of it
and every time she makes a point i'll make a counterpoint
she said it's easy but in the end you'll have no choice
and you know that's only just the way it goes
(you said it right man, that is just the way it goes)

i've got a gun in my hand but that gun won't cock
and my finger's on the trigger but that trigger seems locked
and i can't stop staring at the tick tock clock
and even if i could i would never give up
with a vest on my chest and a bullet in my lung
i can't believe i'm dying with my song unsung
and if and when i die won't you bury me alone?
because i'll never get to heaven if i'm singing this song:

oh, you don't know where i've been
oh, you don't know what i've seen

if i did something right
would you give up this fight?
would you say you were wrong and maybe someone else was kind of right
i'd like to think you would, you know i'd like to think you would
but i can't guarantee that what you get is an apology
jump back to the day we met i never
thought that it would end this way if ever
i let you down i want to ask of you
to take it down a notch and we can talk it on through

and the days, and the days they seem like forever
and the days, and the days they seem like forever
but forever isn't ever enough
i'd like to sing a song (promise you won't be long)
i'll try not to be long but i don't want to get this story wrong
there was a chick who never cared about the little things
don't bother 'cause i still don't give a shit
and every time she makes a point i'll make a counterpoint
she said it's easy but in the end you'll have no choice
and you know that's only just the way it goes
(you said it right man, that is just the way it goes)

i've got a gun in my hand but that gun won't cock
my finger's on the trigger but that trigger seems locked
and i can't stop staring at the tick tock clock
and even if i could i would never give up
with a vest on my chest and a bullet in my lung
i can't believe i'm dying with my song unsung
so if and when i die won't you bury me alone?
because i'll never get to heaven if i'm singing this song:

oh, you don't know where i've been
oh, you don't know what i've seen

so tell me friend: how's it going to end?
when the shit goes down
and there's no one left around to get your back
you'll crack
you'll smile and agree with everything they say
they'll try to tell you that it's all okay
but it's not and you're shot and you're bleeding pretty bad
and you can't stop thinking about the things you never had
like a wife and a kid and the things you never did
you're running around
you're living a life that's empty in the end, my friend
no, you'll take back all you've said
oh, when the regrets fill your head
trust me i've been there before
i would not wish it upon my greatest enemy
what irony
once friends, but i find: you'll have to learn this lesson on your own

so i waited by the phone but that phone never rang
and i sang so loud so i wouldn't hear the bang
when the bang never came
and i never got the call: fuck it! thank you! i love you all!
some are going to say that we're doomed to repeat
all our past mistakes
great
but that's not me
and even if it was i would always disagree
because in the end i always get the better of me

i've got a gun in my hand but that gun won't cock
my finger's on the trigger but that trigger seems locked
and i can't stop staring at the tick tock clock
and even if i could i would never give up
with a vest on my chest and a bullet in my lung
i can't believe i'm dying with my song unsung
so if and when i die won't you bury me alone?
because i'll never get to heaven if i'm singing this song:

oh, i'll take you where i've been
oh, i'll show you what i've seen


A BETTER PLACE, A BETTER TIME

and so she wakes up
in time to break down
she left a note up on the dresser
and she's right on time
you don't know anything
right or wrong
i said i know
and she said so
i want to panic
but i've had it
so i go
you don't owe anything to anyone

but don't take your life
because it's all that you've got
you'd be better off just up and leaving
if you don't think they will stop

and when you wake up
everything is going to be fine
i guarantee that you wake up in a better place
and in a better time
so you're tired of living
and you feel like you might give in
well don't
it's not your time

looking through the paper today
looking for a specific page
don't want to find her full name followed by dates
because when i left her alone
she made a sound, like a moan
"you're known by everyone for everything you've done"
fuck buying flowers for graves
i'd rather buy you a one way non-stop
to anywhere
find anyone
do anything
forget and start again, love
she said she won't go
and that's that
it hurts too much to stand by
you've got to stop and draw a line
and everyone here has to choose a side tonight
the moment of truth is haunting you
don't forget your family
regardless of what you choose to do
you can't decide
and they're screaming "why won't you?"
i'll start the engine but i can't take this ride for you
i'll draw your bath and i'll load your gun
but i hope so bad that you bathe and hunt

annie's tired of forgetting about today
and always planning for tomorrow (tomorrow)
annie says "the saddest day i came acrosss was
when i learned that life goes on without me" (without me)
annie says "if everyone has someone else,
then i ain't got nobody's love to save me" (save me)
annie says "i think i'll pass away tonight,
because it seems i'll never get it right if it's just me" (just me)

and when you wake up
everything is going to be fine
i guarantee that you wake up in a better place
and in a better time
so you're tired of living
and you feel like you might give in
well don't
it's not your time

annie says she wouldn't mind
if they never find a cure for all her problems (her problems)
annie says as long as she has someone near to make it clear
she does not need to solve them (solve them)
"oh, this loneliness is killing me
it's filling me with anger and resentment (resentment)
i'm turning into someone that i never thought i'd have to be again"

and when you wake up
everything is going to be fine
i guarantee that you wake up in a better place
and in a better time
so you're tired of living
and you feel like you might give in
well don't
it's not your time

annie's tired of forgetting about today
and always planning for tomorrow (tomorrow)
annie says "the saddest day i came acrosss was
when i learned that life goes on without me" (without me)
annie says "if everyone has someone else,
then i ain't got nobody's love to save me" (save me)
annie says "i think i'll pass away tonight,
because it seems i'll never get it right if it's just me" (just me)

and when you wake up
everything is going to be fine
i guarantee that you wake up in a better place
and in a better time
so you're tired of living
and you feel like you might give in
well don't
it's not your time

and even if it was
i wouldn't let you go
you could run run run run but i will follow close
someday you will say "that's it, that's all"
but i'll be waiting there with open arms to break your fall
i know that you think that you're on your own
but just know that i'm here
and i'll lead you home
if you let me
she said "forget me"
but i can't

Jakebert
06-26-2006, 10:43 PM
Michael Stipe.

That_Guy91
06-26-2006, 10:45 PM
I know it seems like a huge cliche to say here, but one of them has to be Dexter Holland.

coke_a_holic
06-26-2006, 10:48 PM
Tomas Kalnoky = love

I also enjoy Beck's surrealist bullshit lyrics.

DeAtHsTaR
06-26-2006, 10:50 PM
I know it seems like a huge cliche to say here, but one of them has to be Dexter Holland.
I agree, he's one of my favorites also.

XYlophonetreeZ
06-26-2006, 11:03 PM
Michael Stipe.
Michael Stipe is an awesome lyricist. There's a level of mystery that hangs over his lyrics, but at the same time it's usually not so abstract that it's pretentious. And even the ones that I don't understand just sound poetic enough for me to like them.

Daysleeper is among my favorite lyrics by them.

Mike Busse of Chronic Future also writes some amazing lyrics and works in some really snappy rhymes and wordplay while he does it. Too bad he also writes some pretty cheesy lyrics sometimes and his voice is kinda annoying.

All About Eve
06-26-2006, 11:05 PM
Huh, I always thought it was Michael Stripe. But I agree, and would like to add John Mellencamp.

XYlophonetreeZ
06-26-2006, 11:19 PM
I don't really get what's so great about Dexter's lyrics. Usually they're just too obvious and predictable. Gone Away, for example, has horrible lyrics, and is probably the best example you could get (except maybe Adam's Song) to prove that any song written about death or suicide will automatically become one of a band's most respected songs lyrically.

I'm trying to think of a few Offspring songs that actually have good lyrics... Crossroads, I suppose, has pretty nice lyrics. On Ignition you could see him blatantly attempt to add some depth to his lyrics, mostly failing quite miserably (Kick Him When He's Down), but I quite like We Are One's lyrics, even if they're full of existential angst. Come Out Swinging falls under the angst category too, but word for word, those might be Dexter's best lyrics ever. And I love the concept of Dammit, I Changed Again, because I can relate to it and it surprised me that I'd never heard another song about the frustration of discovering that the beliefs we once held strongly and boldly asserted are no longer sincere. That said, the song's actual lyrics don't really present that concept in a creative way.

Jakebert
06-26-2006, 11:22 PM
Michael Stipe is an awesome lyricist. There's a level of mystery that hangs over his lyrics, but at the same time it's usually not so abstract that it's pretentious. And even the ones that I don't understand just sound poetic enough for me to like them.


Agreed completely. The reason he's my favorite is that he's able to be poetic, mysterious, and arty without being snobby about it.

That, and I love his take on lyrics in general. I don't know if you knew this, but most of his songs arn't autobiographical, but written through the eyes of a fictional character. For example, the character from "Daysleeper" is also the same character from "The Lifting". I just love that take because it gives his lyrics much more variety.


I don't really get what's so great about Dexter's lyrics. Usually they're just too obvious and predictable. Gone Away, for example, has horrible lyrics, and is probably the best example you could get (except maybe Adam's Song) to prove that any song written about death or suicide will automatically become one of a band's most respected songs lyrically.

You're kicking ass in this thread.

bd007h
06-26-2006, 11:42 PM
Stephan Jenkins of Third Eye Blind

DeAtHsTaR
06-27-2006, 10:06 AM
Stephan Jenkins of Third Eye Blind
Aw yeah, the unedited version of Slow Motion is amazing. Also, Max Collins from Eve 6.

BREAK
06-27-2006, 10:30 AM
Agreed completely. The reason he's my favorite is that he's able to be poetic, mysterious, and arty without being snobby about it.


You guys are kidding me, right? Stipey is like the walking embodiment of pretension, his stuff just screams out "Look at me, I went to college and I read books and I dress well and I've probably taken drugs before." Call him a good lyricist all you want, but have you heard his early stuff? Most of it looks something like this:

"Take a turn
Take a turn
Take our fortune
Take our fortune
Pilgrimage!"

"West of the fields!
West of the fields!
West of the fields!
West of the fields!
Long gone
Long gone
Long gone
Long gone
West of the fields..."

"I'm gay
I'm gay
I'm gay
I love men and huge cocks"

You get the picture. Anyway, my favorite would have to be the young Nick Cave, along with Guy Picciotto and Joni Mitchell. Most people really suck at writing lyrics.

no_way
06-27-2006, 10:36 AM
Billie Joe Amstrong, unfortunately

LETTER BOMB
Where have all the bastards gone?
The underbelly stacks up ten high
The dummy failed the crash test
Collecting unemployment checks
Like a flunkie along for the ride

Where have all the riots gone
As the city's motto gets pulverized?
What's in love is now in debt
On your birth certificate
So strike the fucking match to light this fuse!

The town bishop is an extortionist
And he don't even know that you exist
Standing still when it's do or die
You better run for your fucking life

It's not over 'till you're underground
It's not over before it's too late
This city's burnin'
It's not my burden
It's not over before it's too late

There's nothing left to analyze

Where will all the martyrs go when the virus cures itself?
And where will we all go when it's too late?

And don't look back

You're not the Jesus of Suburbia
The St. Jimmy is a figment of
Your father's rage and your mother's love
Made me the idiot America

It's not over 'till you're underground
It's not over before it's too late
This city's burnin'
It's not my burden
It's not over before it's too late


A shame he became So unbelievably comercial...

Jakebert
06-27-2006, 10:38 AM
I don't see those as snobby at all. Intelligent doesn't always equal pretentious.

Idiot from Coldplay = pretentious

Stipe = not pretentious.

0r4ng3
06-27-2006, 10:41 AM
As I said in this thread (http://www.offspring.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24370), I like the lyrics of Scott Radinsky of Pulley.

opivy21
06-27-2006, 11:11 AM
Mike Watt and D Boon from the Minutemen, Jack Brewer from Saccharine Trust, and Richard Hell from the Voidoids.

All those guys' stuff is great because they can write the full range. They can do artsy, spacey lyrics, and then write something very literal and angry. Plus they have good senses of humor in their words.

killer_queen
06-27-2006, 11:12 AM
Cliché, I know, but mine is Mercury.

And although I really like the Offspring I think the lyrics truly suck.

Corpse
06-27-2006, 11:43 AM
Stone Sour's Corey Taylor. His lyrics are alot better than in Slipknot.

Wish I was too dead to cry
My self-affliction fades
Stones to throw at my creator
Masochists to which I cater
You don't need to bother;
I don't need to be
I'll keep slipping farther
But once I hold on,
I won't let go 'til it bleeds

Wish I was too dead to care
If indeed I cared at all
Never had a voice to protest
So you fed me shit to digest
I wish I had a reason;
my flaws are open season
For this, I gave up trying
One good turn deserves my dying

You don't need to bother;
I don't need to be
I'll keep slipping farther
But once I hold on,
I won't let go 'til it bleeds

Wish I'd died instead of lived
A zombie hides my face
Shell forgotten
with its memories
Diaries left
with cryptic entries

And you don't need to bother;
I don't need to be
I'll keep slipping farther
But once I hold on,
I won't let go 'til it bleeds

You don't need to bother;
I don't need to be
I'll keep slipping farther
But once I hold on:
I'll never live down my deceit

XYlophonetreeZ
06-27-2006, 01:01 PM
Corpse, I'm not sure if you were clear on the topic of this thread. This is a thread where you share the people who you think are the best lyricists, not the most gratuitously depressing and horribly cliched lyricists who inspire impressionable youth to emaciate themselves and purchase retarded black makeup and clothing. Just clearing that up for you.

Nineteen Seventy Nine
06-27-2006, 01:12 PM
The best lyricist, I have yet to hear. I seem to like Billy Corgan as a personal favorite though.

Yatesy
06-27-2006, 01:14 PM
I also enjoy Beck's surrealist bullshit lyrics.

Hell yeah! Midnite Vultures=fantastic lyrics

opivy21
06-27-2006, 02:02 PM
Corpse, I'm not sure if you were clear on the topic of this thread. This is a thread where you share the people who you think are the best lyricists, not the most gratuitously depressing and horribly cliched lyricists who inspire impressionable youth to emaciate themselves and purchase retarded black makeup and clothing. Just clearing that up for you.
Haha. I was sort of thinking the same thing.

DeAtHsTaR
06-27-2006, 02:05 PM
Stone Sour's Corey Taylor. His lyrics are alot better than in Slipknot.

Wish I was too dead to cry
My self-affliction fades
Stones to throw at my creator
Masochists to which I cater
You don't need to bother;
I don't need to be
I'll keep slipping farther
But once I hold on,
I won't let go 'til it bleeds

Wish I was too dead to care
If indeed I cared at all
Never had a voice to protest
So you fed me shit to digest
I wish I had a reason;
my flaws are open season
For this, I gave up trying
One good turn deserves my dying

You don't need to bother;
I don't need to be
I'll keep slipping farther
But once I hold on,
I won't let go 'til it bleeds

Wish I'd died instead of lived
A zombie hides my face
Shell forgotten
with its memories
Diaries left
with cryptic entries

And you don't need to bother;
I don't need to be
I'll keep slipping farther
But once I hold on,
I won't let go 'til it bleeds

You don't need to bother;
I don't need to be
I'll keep slipping farther
But once I hold on:
I'll never live down my deceit
Well, no more hope for better days, slit my wrists now.

Jakebert
06-27-2006, 02:16 PM
A zombie hides my face

I read that as "a zombie hides inside my face", which would have been a lot better than the actual line.

Rag Doll
06-27-2006, 07:47 PM
Billy Corgan.

Also a fan of Dashboard Confessional, Minus The Bear, and Jason Mraz (i rarely remember names and i'm too lazy to look them up, sorry).

JohnnyNemesis
06-27-2006, 07:49 PM
Martin Gore, Jay-Z, Scott Radinsky, all the Pennywise boys...more when I'm not on the phone and can think straight.

That_Guy91
06-27-2006, 07:56 PM
Yeah, I was going to say Pennywise too, but I thought someone would bring up "Fuck Authority", and I don't feel like arguing.

BREAK
06-27-2006, 07:58 PM
I don't see those as snobby at all. Intelligent doesn't always equal pretentious.

Idiot from Coldplay = pretentious

Stipe = not pretentious.

C'mon dude, he alludes to "Laocoon and her(sic) two sons", "Marat's bathing", and "a two-headed cow" all on the same album! Can't you smell the "I took an art history class and have Andy Warhol hair" vibes?!?!

XYlophonetreeZ
06-27-2006, 08:02 PM
Minus The Bear
I'm not really crazy about their lyrics. They suit their style quite well, but I'd like to hear a few songs about something other than "Baby, we're gonna swim out to the horizon and kiss on the beach as the waves wash our feet and get shit-drunk off of red wine until we pass out and everything will be sublime because I just remembered how much I love you and we can forget about the world, oh yeah."

Rag Doll
06-27-2006, 08:10 PM
I really like those kind of lyrics though. And while a lot of the lyrics are like that, not everything is. *shrug* I dunno. Like *The Game Needed Me* isn't quite like that.

JohnnyNemesis
06-27-2006, 08:18 PM
Yeah, I was going to say Pennywise too, but I thought someone would bring up "Fuck Authority", and I don't feel like arguing.

Haha, I blocked that song out, and for good reason.

The genius of "One Voice" and "Wouldn't It Be Nice" override all that mess.

nieh
06-27-2006, 08:23 PM
Travis Morrison from The Dismemberment Plan. Some of his stuff can be a bit pretentious but his best stuff is amazing.

The Other Side:

There are times when you will not like the sound of my voice
there are days when a warm look from a strange face will make me forget my name
there are nights when you wonder where the party's at now
and you wonder why you never split this beat scene when a higher life awaits
there are days when you don't know how you picked the wrong life
in a second when it's over in our own minds -- and it's gone without a sound
there are fights that'll hear things that we know we don't mean
and we say 'em 'cos we don't know what we both want and we can't get to the other side

There are years that'll fly like winds across a flood plain
unaware of its own weight, free of friction, and immune to its own speed
there are weeks that'll crawl like slugs across a hot road
only moving 'cos it just don't know how to stop on a search for God knows what
and there are songs that'll make your skull ring like a dropped cup
Resonating with the reasons why you worked through -- and the reasons why you stayed

For the long nights when you found a new resolve that I never knew was there
For the cold eye and the warm embrace now
For the righteous vibe that I need like the air I breathe

There are times when you'll think you've got my funny number figured out
there are days when I don't feel like I ever knew you all that well
and there are lines, drawn behind, around, above and over everthing
in an effort to figure out the place and time, the wrong, the right, the yours, the mine, and I'll be damned if I feel like I will ever know anything
but if don't keep moving on that last hill,
we'll never know what's on the other side


I really like those kind of lyrics though. And while a lot of the lyrics are like that, not everything is. *shrug* I dunno. Like *The Game Needed Me* isn't quite like that.

El Torrente! It still mentions a "girl" but this time it's the guy's daughter.

DeAtHsTaR
06-27-2006, 08:26 PM
Haha, I blocked that song out, and for good reason.

"Wouldn't It Be Nice" override all that mess.

Ha, I remember liking that song when I was 7 years old, playing Top Skater in the arcade.

XYlophonetreeZ
06-27-2006, 08:26 PM
C'mon dude, he alludes to "Laocoon and her(sic) two sons", "Marat's bathing", and "a two-headed cow" all on the same album! Can't you smell the "I took an art history class and have Andy Warhol hair" vibes?!?!
Nobody mentioned Murmur at all. And wasn't your username "Laocoon" for a while on the old BBS?

All About Eve
06-27-2006, 08:42 PM
Even if Stipes are pretentious, they're still thought out and put together well, which can not be said for many other lyricists.

Oh, and I agree with Treez on the Offspring lyrics rant (surpriz, amirite?).

Barenaked Ladies have some fun lyrics too. Forgot to mention them.

Jakebert
06-27-2006, 09:48 PM
Even if Stipes are pretentious, they're still thought out and put together well, which can not be said for many other lyricists.

Oh, and I agree with Treez on the Offspring lyrics rant (surpriz, amirite?).

Barenaked Ladies have some fun lyrics too. Forgot to mention them.

I don't see them as that pretentious, although I can see why he thinks that. Murmur is the only album really like that.

I liked the part about "Gone Away" in there because I've never realized that, but it's true now that I think about it.

I'm not a huge BNL fan, but those guys do write some cool lyrics. I usually hate bands that do "funny" lyrics, but theirs are actually really well done and clever. Plus, some of the serious songs are amazing. "War on Drugs" is one of my favorite songs.

bd007h
06-27-2006, 10:16 PM
One of my favorite serious songs by BNL is Take It Outside. What A Good Boy is another good one.

0r4ng3
06-27-2006, 10:29 PM
Ha, I remember liking that song when I was 7 years old, playing Top Skater in the arcade.
Whatever happened to that game? I miss hearing "Wouldn't It Be Nice", "Homesick", and "It's What You Do With It" years before I knew who the hell Pennywise were.

Same thing with Bad Religion and Crazy Taxi.

DeAtHsTaR
06-27-2006, 10:33 PM
Whatever happened to that game? I miss hearing "Wouldn't It Be Nice", "Homesick", and "It's What You Do With It" years before I knew who the hell Pennywise were.

Same thing with Bad Religion and Crazy Taxi.
Haha, that game is in almost every arcade I go to. Yeah I discovered Bad Religion with Crazy Taxi too!

DeAtHsTaR
06-27-2006, 10:35 PM
I don't really get what's so great about Dexter's lyrics. Usually they're just too obvious and predictable. Gone Away, for example, has horrible lyrics, and is probably the best example you could get (except maybe Adam's Song) to prove that any song written about death or suicide will automatically become one of a band's most respected songs lyrically.

I'm trying to think of a few Offspring songs that actually have good lyrics... Crossroads, I suppose, has pretty nice lyrics. On Ignition you could see him blatantly attempt to add some depth to his lyrics, mostly failing quite miserably (Kick Him When He's Down), but I quite like We Are One's lyrics, even if they're full of existential angst. Come Out Swinging falls under the angst category too, but word for word, those might be Dexter's best lyrics ever. And I love the concept of Dammit, I Changed Again, because I can relate to it and it surprised me that I'd never heard another song about the frustration of discovering that the beliefs we once held strongly and boldly asserted are no longer sincere. That said, the song's actual lyrics don't really present that concept in a creative way.
Also, It'll be a Long Time has great political lyrics IMO.

Betty
06-28-2006, 02:27 AM
I really love the Weakerthans. Or, I guess John K. Sampson writes the lyrics. They just make me smile.

This is just a totally random selection:

"I'm lost. I'm afraid. A frayed rope tying down a leaky boat to the roof of a car on the road in the dark, and it's snowing. If I'm more, then it means less. Last call for happiness. I'm your dress near the back of your knees and your slip is showing. I'm afloat. A float in a summer parade, up the street in the town that you were born in. With a girl at the top wearing tulle, and a Miss Somewhere sash, waving like the queen. Beauty's just another word I'm never certain how to spell. Go tell the nurse to turn the TV back on, and throw away my misery. It never meant that much to me. It never sent a Get Well card. I broke like a bad joke somebody's uncle told at a wedding reception in 1972, where a little boy under a table with cake in his hair stared at the grown-up feet as they danced and swayed. And his father laughed and talked on the long ride home. And his mother laughed and talked on the long ride home. And he thought about how everyone dies someday, and when tomorrow gets here where will yesterday be. And fell asleep in his brand-new winter coat. Buy me a shiny new machine that runs on lies and gasoline, and all those batteries we stole from smoke-alarms, and disassembles my despair. It never took me anywhere. It never once bought me a drink."

BREAK
06-28-2006, 07:54 PM
Nobody mentioned Murmur at all. And wasn't your username "Laocoon" for a while on the old BBS?

You're correct, but that's not the point. You and whoever-the-hell are in denial, borne of fanboyism; that's the bottom line(this reminds me of that time I tried to convince a Nirvana fan that Kurt Cobain was pretentious). As for me, I don't hate pretension. I embrace it, as I embrace anything an artist has to say on its own merits. Unless they suck, in which case I hate.

Retard
06-28-2006, 09:17 PM
i love the beatles stuff, BNL are great, michael Stipe's pretty good, cept for stand(that makes no sense), i like Coldplay, the Stza and Ezra from the Crack Rock Bands are really good. and WEIRD AL

why hasnt anyone said him?

All About Eve
06-28-2006, 09:21 PM
why hasnt anyone said him?
Because almost every single one he wrote was pre-inspired by someone else, he already had an almost exact vocal rythm to use, and didn't even have to make up every single line.

Jakebert
06-28-2006, 09:26 PM
i love the beatles stuff, BNL are great, michael Stipe's pretty good, cept for stand(that makes no sense), i like Coldplay, the Stza and Ezra from the Crack Rock Bands are really good. and WEIRD AL

why hasnt anyone said him?

Stand is a great song lyrically, but the corny music kind of cheapens it.

Weird Al isn't even that funny.

All About Eve
06-28-2006, 09:30 PM
Oh, for Barenaked Ladies, the songs I had in mind were "Call and Answer" (despite its cheasiness), "Old Apartment", and "One Week" because of how they drafted word association into a lyrical fashion.

XYlophonetreeZ
06-28-2006, 10:28 PM
You're correct, but that's not the point. You and whoever-the-hell are in denial, borne of fanboyism; that's the bottom line(this reminds me of that time I tried to convince a Nirvana fan that Kurt Cobain was pretentious). As for me, I don't hate pretension. I embrace it, as I embrace anything an artist has to say on its own merits. Unless they suck, in which case I hate.
Fanboyism? Hardly. I'm a fairly new convert to REM fandom. I'm far guiltier of fanboyism of Sponge, to name just one of many bands, and I admit that their lyrics generally kinda suck. I mentioned Stipe because he really is one of my favorites. True, some stuff on Murmur really is pretentious, but who in their right mind judges the lyrical abilities of a band that has been around for 25 years based on their first fucking album? It's mostly the imagery in their songs that I like the best anyway. Here's a syllogism for ya.

A: Break doesn't hate pretension unless band sucks.
B: R.E.M. may have some pretentious lyrics, mostly in their earliest days, but do not suck.
C: Why the fuck are we arguing?

opivy21
06-28-2006, 10:54 PM
Let me tell you folks about some of my non-favorite lyrics:

RUSH LYRICS

"By-Tor And The Snow Dog"

Tobes of Hades, lit by flickering torchlight
The netherworld is gathered in the glare
Prince By-Tor takes the cavern to the north light
The sign of Eth is rising in the air

By-Tor, knight of darkness
Centurion of evil, devil's prince

Across the River Styx, out of the lamplight
His nemesis is waiting at the gate
The Snow Dog, ermine glowing in the damp night
Coal-black eyes shimmering with hate

By-Tor and the Snow Dog
Square for battle, let the fray begin

The battle's over and the dust is clearing
Disciples of the Snow Dog sound the knell
Rejoicing echoes as the dawn is nearing
By-Tor, in defeat, retreats to Hell

Snow Dog is victorious
The land of the Overworld is saved again

What the hell? (This line isn't in the song)

Retard
06-29-2006, 08:43 AM
his stuff is cool, but its just soo fucking weird! :)

but u have a point there

Thomas
06-29-2006, 10:22 AM
Weird Al isn't even that funny.

THANK YOU!!!!!!!!



Anyhoo, Paul McCartney and Billy Corgan win IMO. Paul wrote so much better than John lennon and all of his songs didn't sound like they were acid-induced.

And I'm sorry, but I'm gonna have to disagree with the rant on Dexter's lyrics. yeah, Gone Away's lyrics aren't the best, but I never felt that the lyrics were the main focus of that song anyway. I mean, read lyrics like Crossroads, Dammit, I Changed Again, The Noose, Lightning Rod, Dirty Magic, and Blackball (OMG), and I Choose (ZOMG!). I dunno. He is one of my favorite songwriters for one main reason. I'll Be Waiting. That song punched me in the stomach the first time I read it and it continues to have the same effect every time I hear it.

offspring fan
06-29-2006, 12:14 PM
Dexter Holland, Dave Grohl, Zack De La Rocha and Kurt Cobain

Jakebert
06-29-2006, 12:22 PM
Worst list yet.

jacknife737
06-29-2006, 12:22 PM
I like Dexter Holland and especially Dicky Barrett

A Jackknife To A Swan Lyrics by Barrett.


Shortly after Evelyn
Was doused with gasoline
And just a few miles off the avenue,
A lighter flashed into a puff of smoke.
For thirty years Walter worked right there,
Five days out of every week,
That's where he watched his hometown fade
The last came fast and furious.

Just step in one direction,
Stutter step for one split second,
Faster through the intersection,
A jackknife to a swan...and he was gone.

When Walter's shift was over
He'd head out to catch the red line home
Two stops away his family slept
He'd be there when they got out of bed.
Destination subway station,
Someone yelled so he looked back
Five guys were heading his way
He ran to catch that last train home,

Just step in one direction,
Stutter step for one split second,
Faster through the intersection,
A jackknife to a swan...and he was gone.

Oh Walter ran, and did they kill Evelyn?
He had his token in his hand.
But he jumped over the turnstile
And he ran down the platform
They were hot on his heels,
An outbound was bearing down on him
Walter jumped in front of it. just...

Just step in one direction,
Stutter step for one split second,
Faster through the intersection,
A jackknife to a swan...and he was gone.

Just step in one direction,
Stutter step for one split second,
Faster through the intersection,
A jackknife to a swan...and he was gone.

DeAtHsTaR
06-29-2006, 12:24 PM
Zack De La Rocha
I don't agree with his views at all, but that man can write some damn good lyrics.

And the first person to mention "Killing in the name" gets an e-kick to the face.

ruroken
06-29-2006, 12:38 PM
Chris Cornell.

BREAK
06-29-2006, 03:21 PM
C: Why the fuck are we arguing?

It's fun. I could give you a lot more examples from their later stuff, if I wanted to.

I actually wish more bands would be pretentious, it feels like nobody has any freakin' ambition these days.

All About Eve
06-29-2006, 08:31 PM
I like Dexter Holland and especially Dicky Barrett

A Jackknife To A Swan Lyrics by Barrett.
Is that the Bosstones?

And word to modern lyrics sucking.

Retard
06-29-2006, 09:09 PM
I think Joe Strummer's lyrics are fucking awsome to, London Calling is a great example, and Know YOur Rights is good to.

DeAtHsTaR
06-29-2006, 10:44 PM
Is that the Bosstones?

Sure is .

mrconeman
06-30-2006, 07:27 AM
David Gilmour, Roger Waters, Syd Barret, Bob Dylan.
I love many many lyricists, and obviously while cliche Dexter is one of the ones I like quite a bit (not as much as the ones mentioned) but he does write some great songs.

That_Guy91
06-30-2006, 08:20 AM
Oh, I forgot Ian MacKaye.

Retard
06-30-2006, 08:44 AM
from Hello Rockview till now Less Than Jake have been pretty good lyricists to.


Negative Sides Of Optimistic Eyes"

Trying not to hold my breath
But my lungs are filled inside this chest
I've been helpless and I couldn't have cared less
Of anything that could or has been said
In the future past and present tense

Been my own best friend
With clouds over my head
Been on this sinking ship
Decided that it's sink or swim
The waters coming in
Foundations wearing thin
Sometimes I wonder if I'll ever be missed
If I swim with the ship again

Trying not to hold my breath
But my lungs are filled inside this chest
I've been helpless and I couldn't have cared less
Of anything that could or has been said
What those words mean or just what they meant
In the future past and present tense

Been my own best friend
With clouds over my head
Been on this sinking ship
Decided that it's sink or swim
The waters coming in
Foundations wearing thin
Sometimes I wonder if I'll ever be missed
If I swim with the ship
Giving up inch by inch

In twenty words or less
I'll describe this mess
I've drank to forget,
Full of hopelessness
Never cared what they said
And I'm on this edge in crisis
And I couldn't care less

Been my own best friend
With clouds over my head
Been on this sinking ship
Decided that it's sink or swim
The waters coming in
Foundations wearing thin
Sometimes I wonder if I'll ever be missed again

Been my own best friend
With clouds over my head
Been on this sinking ship
Decided that it's sink or swim
The waters coming in
Foundations wearing thin
Sometimes I wonder if I'll ever be missed
If I could swim with the ship
Giving up inch by inch
And I've lost my own best friend

no_way
06-30-2006, 10:12 AM
I'm too bored so here's the whole list:

- Terra Naomi
- Billie Joe Amstrong
- Dexter Holland
- Alex Ubago
- Joan Manuel Serrat
- Ismael Serrano
- María Elena Walsh (she's part of my childhood!)
- Ashlee Simpson (If you pay attention their lyrics are awesome, specially the ones from her first album)
- Fito Paez

SkunkIt
06-30-2006, 11:18 AM
Point/Counterpoint is one of my favorite songs, but personally, the lyrics I like are fucked up to most, so I will not post them.

opivy21
06-30-2006, 11:40 AM
Oh, I forgot Ian MacKaye.
Yeah, I forgot to say Fugazi. They have some intelligent lyrics.

All About Eve
06-30-2006, 08:58 PM
Better than Ezra has some okay lyrics, but also have their fair share of stupid ones.

Queensryche had some pretty good lyrics in Operation Mindcrime as well, but in general they're more typical metal and don't have notable lyrics.

Apathy
06-30-2006, 10:11 PM
Hahah.

I made the same thread about a month ago.
Even funnier, that I also stated my favorite, Kalnoky.

http://www.offspring.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24370&highlight=songwriter

What sucks is that yours managed to go seven pages when mine died after two.

But to restate it, Kalnoky is pretty much one of the best. As the footsteps die out forever and Here's To Life are my favorites at the moment. I also had a soft spot for David McWane of big d and the kids table, but that's kind of off and on. They go from being meaningful to immature. This wouldn't be bad, but they manage to do it in the same song. Eh, still a great band.

skaterpunke
07-06-2006, 06:46 PM
it would have to be jim morrison. he was so poetic and talented.

darthdudeguy4
07-06-2006, 08:17 PM
Dexter Holland(The Offspring)
Vinnie Fiorello(Less Than Jake)
and other people i cant think of right now...

skaterpunke
07-08-2006, 06:49 PM
i'd also like to add:
jimi hendrix
Steven Tyler
Robert Plant
Ozzy Osbourne
Billiejoe Armstrong
Bon Scott
Malcolm Young
Angus Young
Rob Zombie
DeeDee Ramone
Gene Simmons
Ronnie VanZant
Eric Clapton
Kurt Cobain
Anthony (from RHCP)
James Hetfield
Stevie Ray Vaughn
and of course, ME!!!! (i write for my band)

WebDudette
07-08-2006, 07:13 PM
Anthony Kiedis
Billy Corgan
Zach de la Rocha
Martin Gore

Drum Goddess
07-08-2006, 08:14 PM
John "Speedo" Reis

Slappy
07-08-2006, 11:24 PM
Davey Havok of AFI

noodlesisalliwant
07-09-2006, 04:51 AM
Davey Havok (AFI)
Matt Skiba (Alkaline Trio)
Chris Cheney (The Living End)
Mike Ness (Social D)
Morrissey.

rocketman
07-10-2006, 12:18 PM
My favorite lyricists have to be Greg Graffin/Brett Gurewitz and probably Jello Biafra.

That_Guy91
07-10-2006, 01:22 PM
I forgot to mention every member of The Descendents.

BIG Nicky
07-10-2006, 01:50 PM
Hmmm... Jonathan Davis..I'd say.

jacknife737
07-10-2006, 02:31 PM
I forgot to mention every member of The Descendents.

I love the Decendents, but i don't think that there is anything special about their lyrics.

That_Guy91
07-10-2006, 02:40 PM
Title- Your favorite lyricist?


I like their lyrics.