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hereforone
12-19-2004, 12:15 AM
Should it be mandatory for schools to teach tolerance (religious, sexual) in the classrooms?

Mota Boy
12-19-2004, 12:22 AM
Some sort of class about other cultures is necessary for any well-rounded education. As long as the lessons are unbiased, hopefully tolerance will follow. But we cannot expect to enfore it.

T-6005
12-19-2004, 12:31 AM
Tolerance is crucial, and people aren't getting enough. The media (almost all media, whether it's considered biased or not) is part of the reason for this. We link a lot of things in our minds because we see them on the news or read them in the newspaper or online.

So yes, I think schools should have mandatory classes about other cultures (taught in an unbiased way, while we're dreaming) to dispel all of these prejudices.

wheelchairman
12-19-2004, 03:35 AM
You cannot teach tolerance. What a school can do is educate the students on different cultures and hope that understanding and knowledge will balance out the ignorance it takes to be intolerant.

The second thing they can do is crack down on intolerance inside their halls.

SicN Twisted
12-19-2004, 01:29 PM
Tollerance is bullshit. "I tollerate you." Tollerance is just skeezy politically correct Tipper Gore types trying to force people to tollerate, if not accept, diversity.

The Talking Pie
12-19-2004, 01:36 PM
Instead of teaching tollerance they should just start arresting people who are intollerant. Harsh I hear you say? Exactly. The fuckers would drop like flies. If you locked up every irresponsible member of the media or teacher/parent/peer the message of intollerance would never get through, and another parasite would be out of our way.

The Talking Pie
12-19-2004, 01:41 PM
And God, 'tollerance', what a stupid word. What do we do when we tollerate something? We put up with it, we secretly hate it but let it be. Fuck tollerance, you need to get rid of xenophobia and idiocy.

SicN Twisted
12-19-2004, 11:03 PM
Xenophobia and idiocy are natural traits, there's no reason to get rid of it. What we need to get rid of are people who institute thought crimes through brainwashing tollerence courses.

Vera
12-20-2004, 07:57 AM
I tolerate you dyslexics, but it doesn't mean I have to like you.

For some reason, the Finnish word for "tolerate" seems to hold this meaning that you not only tolerate but also accept, whereas the word in English just means "to stand/to put up with" to me.

Peculiar.

The Talking Pie
12-20-2004, 08:13 AM
For some reason, the Finnish word for "tolerate" seems to hold this meaning that you not only tolerate but also accept, whereas the word in English just means "to stand/to put up with" to me.

For this reason, Finland rocks :cool:

JoY
12-20-2004, 08:58 AM
And God, 'tollerance', what a stupid word. What do we do when we tollerate something? We put up with it, we secretly hate it but let it be. Fuck tollerance, you need to get rid of xenophobia and idiocy.
I smiled & nodded at your post.
tolerance is/became a synonym for acceptance. you can accept the fact, that you're chronically tired, when you have ME, you can accept you're in constant pain, when you have cancer, & you can accept there are differences between people. it sucks, but that's just the way it is.

no, not everyones likes a colourful world with different believes, sexes, sexualities & races. what is a difference between youngsters & 'adults', is that (some/most/you tell me) adults have learned to put up with things in order to fit in society. that's how simple it is. children don't have to worry about that, because they don't yet have their own place in society with all the responsibilities & the independancy that comes with that. but when they're suddenly confronted with the many differences the popularity of this planet knows, you often see, that they have slight difficulties with adjusting to that.

amazing example;
in a specialised grammar school in the Netherlands about.. 1% (& it used to be less only a few years ago) is coloured & most of the coloured students are Chinese. when you go to the bathroom in one of these schools, you see names on toiletdoors, phonenumbers & cute hearts.

in a random high school, where there are taught different levels of difficulty, about 15-30% is coloured (still depending on the level of education). when you go to the bathroom, you see names, cute hearts, phonenumbers & right between them sentences like "go to your own country", "filthy Turkish", "Jews belong in the toilet", "Hitler is my hero, because he was right", etc.
these high school students never had to fit in society YET. they don't live on their own 99% of the time, they don't have a regular job (I'm not talking about bringing around news papers), etc. but they *are* confronted with cultural differences & are obviously not completely able to cope with that & to understand it.

I think that teaching people at a young age more about differences between people around the world & the reasons for that, makes them more ready to adjust to that simple fact.

JoY
12-20-2004, 09:01 AM
You cannot teach tolerance. What a school can do is educate the students on different cultures and hope that understanding and knowledge will balance out the ignorance it takes to be intolerant.

The second thing they can do is crack down on intolerance inside their halls.
my long story agreed with you. :p

JoY
12-20-2004, 09:02 AM
Instead of teaching tollerance they should just start arresting people who are intollerant. Harsh I hear you say? Exactly. The fuckers would drop like flies. If you locked up every irresponsible member of the media or teacher/parent/peer the message of intollerance would never get through, and another parasite would be out of our way.
no. we should be tolerant towards the intolerant.

*grins*

The Talking Pie
12-20-2004, 09:06 AM
Smartass :p It's a form of passive rehabillitation for the masses though. They conform to decency out of fear... and then some active rehabillitation for the ones you do arrest... it works in my head.

JoY
12-20-2004, 09:27 AM
the purpose is that creates a fear to be intolerant, right? hmm..
I think that, like Per said, you can't teach people tolerance, you *can* teach people to -act- tolerant & I guess your method would establish that, but unfortunately along with the fear for anyone who's different, because they can't feel as intolerant towards them as they might feel & more important; indirectly anyone who's different would suddenly cause arrests of people, who don't tolerate them 'the way they should'. besides you'd walk into the problem of the exact definition & degree of tolerance, that's needed for partial, or entire integration of those, who aren't like the original popularity of that place & time.

I'm getting a bit tangled up in my own argument, so I'll just stop here, before I make a big ass post out of it again, because I don't properly understand myself anymore.

SicN Twisted
12-20-2004, 10:35 AM
Fuck you talking pie I said that first. Credit taking shithead!

Skate Rat 19
12-20-2004, 04:48 PM
I know tolerence. My friends (about 8 of us) attend Hackett Middle School. Were all white, we skate, we listen to rock(green day, sum 41, the offspring, NOFX, 'n stuff) and were all white skate rats. We live it up Bam style and tolerate A LOT. About 89% of our school is black and hispanic and is angry and listens to rap and doesn't like white skater boys. Not to mention our neighborhoods are slowly filling up with thugs, drugs and what not. Were out numbered but not out gunned. Anyway, in school 6-7 fights happen daily. Kids get suspended for fun. And almost our whole student body is dumber than dirt and headed to hell in a ham basket. Unbelievably we've never got into a fight, started trouble, or insulted any homie. If anyone tolerates more than we do don't hesitate to tell me.

QuickKill
12-20-2004, 05:27 PM
Screw Teaching kids Not to hate to Something or Someone, If you hate it, Hate it then. All These people trying to tell you what you Should and Shouldn't Like. Don't get me wrong I 'am not saying if you hate Certin People cause of their skin Color, You should go out and Kill them, You Shouldn't. But there is Nothing wrong with just hate. So screw Tolerance in Schools just plain Screw Tolerance Live your Life the way you need to live it. ANd for all you Whinny Basterds that can't Deal with hate. Grew up Learn to Understand it's Not you Choice to make for other People.

wheelchairman
12-20-2004, 05:35 PM
Screw Teaching kids Not to hate to Something or Someone, If you hate it, Hate it then. All These people trying to tell you what you Should and Shouldn't Like. Don't get me wrong I 'am not saying if you hate Certin People cause of their skin Color, You should go out and Kill them, You Shouldn't. But there is Nothing wrong with just hate. So screw Tolerance in Schools just plain Screw Tolerance Live your Life the way you need to live it. ANd for all you Whinny Basterds that can't Deal with hate. Grew up Learn to Understand it's Not you Choice to make for other People.
oh it's so shocking that you are from Ohio.

Sure there is something wrong with just hate. It stems from an irrational ignorance, that has no place in logical thinking. Of course, by judging by the way you rambled on, I suppose there isn't much rational structured thinking in your head is there?

QuickKill
12-20-2004, 09:40 PM
oh it's so shocking that you are from Ohio.

Sure there is something wrong with just hate. It stems from an irrational ignorance, that has no place in logical thinking. Of course, by judging by the way you rambled on, I suppose there isn't much rational structured thinking in your head is there?

Ha Yeah I'am from Ohio I'am White. I live in a Trailer, I speak my mind and I'am Not afride to admit what I hate. You May not agree with me But that was My entier Point If you don't like Something don't Be Afride to say so. And no I have no rational structured thinking in my head Cause I don't split people in to God Damn Groups. I hope one day some one will see I what I mean We are not here to understand one another but to challange each other... I'll let you all figure it out

sKratch
12-20-2004, 11:23 PM
Instead of teaching tollerance they should just start arresting people who are intollerant. Harsh I hear you say? Exactly. The fuckers would drop like flies. If you locked up every irresponsible member of the media or teacher/parent/peer the message of intollerance would never get through, and another parasite would be out of our way.
That's rather intollerant.

sKratch
12-20-2004, 11:26 PM
I know tolerence. My friends (about 8 of us) attend Hackett Middle School. Were all white, we skate, we listen to rock(green day, sum 41, the offspring, NOFX, 'n stuff) and were all white skate rats. We live it up Bam style and tolerate A LOT. About 89% of our school is black and hispanic and is angry and listens to rap and doesn't like white skater boys. Not to mention our neighborhoods are slowly filling up with thugs, drugs and what not. Were out numbered but not out gunned. Anyway, in school 6-7 fights happen daily. Kids get suspended for fun. And almost our whole student body is dumber than dirt and headed to hell in a ham basket. Unbelievably we've never got into a fight, started trouble, or insulted any homie. If anyone tolerates more than we do don't hesitate to tell me.
Haha downtown albany is fucking awesome... see some weird shit there.

the original pyro
12-20-2004, 11:38 PM
Ha Yeah I'am from Ohio I'am White. I live in a Trailer, I speak my mind and I'am Not afride to admit what I hate. You May not agree with me But that was My entier Point If you don't like Something don't Be Afride to say so. And no I have no rational structured thinking in my head Cause I don't split people in to God Damn Groups. I hope one day some one will see I what I mean We are not here to understand one another but to challange each other... I'll let you all figure it out

yeah I dont like niggers much either.

The Talking Pie
12-21-2004, 03:30 AM
That's rather intollerant.

Fight fire with fire if one blow will end the battle.

I know that was Hitler's way of thinking... but whatever. I'm into fixing people, not necessarily killing them.

Vera
12-21-2004, 05:38 AM
I know a certain guy on this BBS who's from Ohio and really clever and it's not the trailer-living hate-guy from this thread.

QuickKill
12-21-2004, 06:03 AM
Now why the hell does every one think I hate people I never say say it I hate people of a Diffrent skin color, Or life style they choose In fact most of my friends aren't even white. All I've been trying to say is that if you hate something or someone, You shouldn't be told not to. You Shouldn't let other people choose what you should like and what you shouldn't like or hate. I figure some people will hate what I say and make judgements about me, Who don't even know me. But what the hell these are the same people who say you should have Tolerance, For other people and their choices, I guess what they ment was just their skin color, and Their Opinions as long as it was the same as their. I'am sorry If I have wrote something that has Offend you, Wait no I'am not!

Vera
12-21-2004, 06:33 AM
Hate is a word easily misused. If by "hate" you mean "get annoyed with" or "be irritated by" or "dislike", then yeah, sure, everybody "hates" some other people.

Hate is quite a dangerous thing.

And by hate I don't mean dislike. I mean pure hatred, hate that makes people kill other people and discriminate against others.

Tolerance doesn't mean "accept other people's opinions as long as they are same as yours". See, I accept your opinion. I just don't consider it very valid or well-phrased.

Proper capitalization might help you a lot.

T-6005
12-21-2004, 07:36 AM
Now why the hell does every one think I hate people I never say say it I hate people of a Diffrent skin color, Or life style they choose In fact most of my friends aren't even white. All I've been trying to say is that if you hate something or someone, You shouldn't be told not to. You Shouldn't let other people choose what you should like and what you shouldn't like or hate. I figure some people will hate what I say and make judgements about me, Who don't even know me. But what the hell these are the same people who say you should have Tolerance, For other people and their choices, I guess what they ment was just their skin color, and Their Opinions as long as it was the same as their. I'am sorry If I have wrote something that has Offend you, Wait no I'am not!

I'm sorry.... but can you write properly?

But anyways, as someone posted earlier, hate is born out of irrational ignorance. Or at least the type of generalized hate (against a group) is. What you are thinking is freedom of thought, something that has only a slight overlap with this subject. Your opinions are your own, true, and formed from experience, but they should never be formed from an uninformed perspective. That is where racism and xenophobia and the group hatred that we commonly see today have stemmed from.

sKratch
12-21-2004, 08:08 AM
Fight fire with fire if one blow will end the battle.

I know that was Hitler's way of thinking... but whatever. I'm into fixing people, not necessarily killing them.
But of course, you're trying to "fix" them into an image you see as correct. Isn't that what we all rebelled against when we were 13?

JoY
12-21-2004, 09:31 AM
I'm sorry.... but can you write properly?
hah, funny that you say that. because I never bother to use capitals anymore these days & it doesn't seem to make any difference in how people read my posts.

T-6005
12-21-2004, 09:34 AM
hah, funny that you say that. because I never bother to use capitals anymore these days & it doesn't seem to make any difference in how people read my posts.
Well, that's alright, but at least I can make sense of what you're saying without stopping and starting over.

sKratch
12-21-2004, 08:49 PM
It seems that capitalizing words that shouldn't be throws the eye off more than completely leaving out capitalization.

hereforone
12-24-2004, 01:20 AM
I guess my real question is should it be the resposibility of the schools (public institutions) to teach children what to tolerate. I suppose it all comes down to the schools taking over the parenting role for children, for instance the sex ed videos (this is just an example). A few years ago parents still had that "talk" with their kids, now the schools decide that all of the students need to know about sex. I mean, is it really appropriate for this to be the responsibility of the schools? Should the schools be in charge of taking a parental role or should they focus on learning foundation (math, science, language etc.)? It's the same with the tolerance issue, whose responsibility is it?

T-6005
12-24-2004, 01:25 AM
I guess my real question is should it be the resposibility of the schools (public institutions) to teach children what to tolerate. I suppose it all comes down to the schools taking over the parenting role for children, for instance the sex ed videos (this is just an example). A few years ago parents still had that "talk" with their kids, now the schools decide that all of the students need to know about sex. I mean, is it really appropriate for this to be the responsibility of the schools? Should the schools be in charge of taking a parental role or should they focus on learning foundation (math, science, language etc.)? It's the same with the tolerance issue, whose responsibility is it?

Why not everybody's?

Parents should teach you to be tolerant, ideally.

And schools are about becoming educated, obviously, and realizing that there are differences in the world and that these aren't necessarily bad is one step in that. Education's not just about subject matter, it's about shaping people as members of society, it's already got a parental role in people's lives.