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Sin Studly
10-03-2006, 07:41 AM
Post a list of countries your nation should occupy, genocide, economically sanction, sponser a proxy war in, or otherwise bomb back to the stone age.

Australia

Country - Papua New Guinea
Correct Course of Action - Occupation
Reason - They're the lowest of the low. They were colonised by a colony. That makes them doublepwned bitches, colonised and administrated by the prison-bitches of the English Empire. And now that we've given them independence and billions of dollars worth of aid, they think they can actually do what they want in their own nation, without Australia's permission. This is unacceptable.

Country - New Zealand
Correct Course of Action - Occupation
Reason - They think they have their own culture, instead of just borrowing ours. This is unacceptable.

Country - Malaysia
Correct Course of Action - Genocide
Reason - My uncle is in an unhappy marraige with a Malay girl. This is utterly unacceptable.

Country - Indonesia
Correct Course of Action - Genocide
Reason - They exist. This is highly unacceptable.

Country - East Timor
Correct Course of Action - Occupation
Reason - We've fought two or three wars there for 'humanitarian reasons'. It's about time we get a bit of payment for our efforts, in the form of cheap coolie labour.

Country - Solomon Islands
Correct Course of Action - Carpet Bombing
Reason - They're beginning to think they can make their own domestic policies without Australian permission.

Country - Japan
Correct Course of Action - Economic Sanctions
Reason - Hentai. We must fight the evildoers.

Country - Lebanon
Correct Course of Action - Genocide
Reason - Gives an excuse to genocide the ones here.

Country - Tasmania
Correct Course of Action - Genocide
Reason - Self-explanatory. We'll have to grant them independence first, since they're unfortunately part of Australia.

Country - New Caledonia
Correct Course of Action - Occupation
Reason - It's a French colony, and everybody knows the French don't fight back

Country - Turkey
Correct Course of Action - Genocide of the men, mass rape of the women
Reason - To impress Gulsah

the_GoDdEsS
10-03-2006, 07:58 AM
Slovakia


Country - Hungary
Correct Course of Action - Genocide
Reason - For centuries of oppression, stealing territories, trying to wipe out our national identity, extremism, denying the existence of Slovakia and ugly language (lolz).

Country - Turkey
Correct Course of Action - Genocide
Reason - Stealing and kidnapping Slavic women, forcing them into prostitution, being sleazebags.

Country - Moravia (Eastern part of Czech republic)
Correct Course of Action - occupation
Reason - To re-establish the Great Moravian Empire tradition, and because they like us anyway and we're culturally close.

wheelchairman
10-03-2006, 10:40 AM
United States of America

Country: Japan
Correct Course of Action: Bombardment
Reason: Since WW2 they've started developing a perversed course of action borderlining illegality. And now our youngsters are starting to admire it. :(

Country: Australia
Correct Course of Action. Invasion.
Reason: Justin's muffins were horrible.

MaF
10-03-2006, 11:57 AM
Russia Federation
Country: Russia Federation
Correct Course of Action: Conspiracy of one
Reason: Stop the red alert!

and other world with us :D

Amiralanal
10-03-2006, 01:33 PM
Sweden

Country: Denmark

Correct Course of Action: Occupation

Reason: They have cheap beer

Llamas
10-03-2006, 03:06 PM
USA

countryall in this thread
correct course of action genocide
reasoncause we're the fucking US and we need to learn to excersize our muscle or else people will keep terrorizing us!!!

country france
correct course of action occupation
reason their culture blows and they need someone, anyone, to teach them how to live like normal humans.

T-6005
10-03-2006, 10:34 PM
France

Country:Luxembourg
Course of Action:Occupation
Reason:To show that we can beat someone. Anyone.

Llamas
10-03-2006, 10:49 PM
France

Country:Luxembourg
Course of Action:Occupation
Reason:To show that we can beat someone. Anyone.

lolz poor luxemburg. :( I feel bad for them. atleast they're kewl!!!!

FLeTch
10-04-2006, 12:10 AM
Country - Turkey
Correct Course of Action - Genocide of the men, mass rape of the women
Reason - To impress Gulsah

:) this is the best way to reply them

Venom Symbiote
10-04-2006, 01:01 AM
Haha. Hilarity.

SkunkIt
10-04-2006, 01:19 AM
Assyria

....We got pwned.

As for the usa, noone.

Sin Studly
10-04-2006, 02:13 AM
Not enough people support the genocide of Turkey.

Steerpike
10-04-2006, 03:08 AM
England

Country: Northern Ireland
Correct Course of Action: Genocide
Reason: Because both sides deserve nothing less.

wheelchairman
10-04-2006, 03:30 AM
Oh I am a merry plowboy
and I plow the fields all day
then a sudden thought came to my head
that I should roam away
I am sick and tired of slavery
since the day that I was born
and I'm off to join the IRA

killer_queen
10-04-2006, 03:46 AM
Turkey

Country: Turkey
Correct Course of Action: Genocide
Reason: We need a better world. And I need a good laugh.

Llamas
10-04-2006, 03:49 AM
lol at the headlines.... "Turkey commits suicide: Genocide performed on all Turks, by Turks"

wheelchairman
10-04-2006, 04:31 AM
lol at the headlines.... "Turkey commits suicide: Genocide performed on all Turks, by Turks. The laugh heard 'round the world."

Edited for perfection.

Whiplash
10-04-2006, 07:24 AM
The netherlands


Country: Belgium
Correct course of action: Occupation
Reason: Just because.


Country: Marocco
Correct course of action: Total destruction
Reason: They are the lowest form of human life.

Duskygrin
10-04-2006, 07:34 AM
Country: Morocco
Correct course of action: Total destruction
Reason: They are the lowest form of human life.

Couldn't agree more wholeheartedly. They annoy the living shite out of me. They're too numerous. They look awful & their gait is monstrous. They've got horrid, horrid accents, recognizable amongst a thousand. They wear their jogger tracksuits tucked inside their socks, they accost women, they make positively indecent remarks, when they're ignored they spit at our feet & curse us, say we treat them worse than dogs (my opinion is that only a cur would dare accost a woman)... some of these days you'll see, they'll go so far as to grab our elbows to detain us. They will touch us, I swear. The mongrels. I don't speak of the true arabs living in Morocco, I speak of the millions of stinking immigrants arrived en masse on our shores. I speak of those who are neither arabs nor frenchmen & who conduct themselves like louts & hoodlums. I speak of the beurs, coz that's the proper French term. And I wish a plague of locusts would wipe away that scum.

Mark_Bryan_420
10-04-2006, 11:02 AM
The netherlands


Country: Belgium
Correct course of action: Occupation
Reason: Just because.



I think the words JUST BECAUSE is not an intelligent or logical answer! WHY occupy it?

Llamas
10-04-2006, 12:43 PM
ANY COUNTRY. MOST LIKELY THE US.

Country: Mark Bryan 420

Correct Course of Action: rape and pilage, while dumping the world's supply of marijuana into the ocean.

Reason: because he'd probably like it.

Sin Studly
10-04-2006, 12:56 PM
ilovelamas, leave this thread. Every post you've made has been so full of fail it hurt.

Llamas
10-04-2006, 01:15 PM
well that's pretty much my history posting on the board. why quit now? :)

Killer Dwarf
10-04-2006, 01:30 PM
Turkey

Country: Turkey
Correct Course of Action: Genocide
Reason: We need a better world. And I need a good laugh.

Do people in Turkey taste like turkey or chicken?

Nice name queen btw.

BREAK
10-04-2006, 04:36 PM
Close your eyes, pick a point on the map.

Tigger Army
10-05-2006, 04:42 AM
I think the words JUST BECAUSE is not an intelligent or logical answer! WHY occupy it?

concidering it's whiplash saying that...

most likely for the fries and chocolat

Mark_Bryan_420
10-05-2006, 05:39 AM
concidering it's whiplash saying that...

most likely for the fries and chocolat
Sounds like him!:rolleyes:

Manic Subsidal Boy
10-05-2006, 05:56 AM
North America
Reason: Karma

Sin Studly
10-05-2006, 06:27 AM
North America
Reason: Karma

Quit being a suicide-fag, emo.

wheelchairman
10-05-2006, 06:57 AM
North America
Reason: Karma

You're going to bomb a continent in the hopes of recieving equal treatment in the future? You are such a retard

HeadAroundU
10-05-2006, 02:39 PM
Slovakia


Country - Hungary
Correct Course of Action - Genocide
Reason - For centuries of oppression, stealing territories, trying to wipe out our national identity, extremism, denying the existence of Slovakia and ugly language (lolz).

Country - Turkey
Correct Course of Action - Genocide
Reason - Stealing and kidnapping Slavic women, forcing them into prostitution, being sleazebags.

Country - Moravia (Eastern part of Czech republic)
Correct Course of Action - occupation
Reason - To re-establish the Great Moravian Empire tradition, and because they like us anyway and we're culturally close.
Country - Poland
Correct Course of Action - Genocide + torture (keep few of them to laugh at their language)
Reason - I need a sea, plus they are an inferior slavs with the dog blood.

Country - Carpathian Ruthenia
Correct Course of Action - occupation
Reason - To make Slovakia a longer country, because the size matters.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Czechoslovakia01.png

the_GoDdEsS
10-05-2006, 02:43 PM
I wholeheartedly agree with the proposed suggestion! Damn, I forgot Ruthenia! And I want Northern part of Orava back from Poland.

Venom Symbiote
10-05-2006, 05:40 PM
Hahaha, silly Eastern-Europeans.

FLeTch
10-06-2006, 02:38 AM
Turkey

Country: Turkey
Correct Course of Action: Genocide
Reason: We need a better world. And I need a good laugh.

not country but a person(?!?):killerbitch
reason: the world need better humanistic and non-racist brains to live in peace and survive
result: be sure i will laugh when it happens.

Italia311
10-06-2006, 05:50 AM
ITALIA

Country - Canada
Correct Course of Action - Occupation of New Foundland
Reason - Giovanni Caboto was here before any of you. And land we lost isn't fair and we demand our own nation to retain our culture and language. Oh btw...Can we still use the Canadian dollar?? PLZ? Oh and one last thing, I demand every little thing in Canada not only be in English...not only be in FRENCH...BUT IN ITALIAN...even if only 4% of the population can read it. Oh and one last thing...can you make it mandatory in school? Plzthx love ya.

Sin Studly
10-06-2006, 06:28 AM
Death to all Turks.

RickyCrack
10-06-2006, 08:01 AM
I wholeheartedly agree with the proposed suggestion! Damn, I forgot Ruthenia! And I want Northern part of Orava back from Poland.

Over my dead cold Pole hands!

RonWelty
10-06-2006, 08:31 AM
at least none of u wants to bomb Portugal :D sometimes being a small country has some positive things :D

Italia311
10-06-2006, 09:59 AM
You should actually try and annex brasil...

Sinister
10-06-2006, 10:02 AM
ITALIA

Country - Canada
Correct Course of Action - Occupation of New Foundland
Reason - Giovanni Caboto was here before any of you. And land we lost isn't fair and we demand our own nation to retain our culture and language. Oh btw...Can we still use the Canadian dollar?? PLZ? Oh and one last thing, I demand every little thing in Canada not only be in English...not only be in FRENCH...BUT IN ITALIAN...even if only 4% of the population can read it. Oh and one last thing...can you make it mandatory in school? Plzthx love ya.

Canada

Country : Italia
Correct Course of Action - Occupation
Reason : We've already got Newfoundland, might as well get the rest.

Italia311
10-06-2006, 10:52 AM
Hahahah...that was a good one..nice

Although, I like Canada...that wouldn't be all bad...

the_GoDdEsS
10-06-2006, 11:11 AM
Over my dead cold Pole hands!

Jablonka, Zakopane, Nowy Targ. All will be mine. I fight u!

FLeTch
10-06-2006, 03:59 PM
death to all enemies!!!

FUCK YOU IF YOU ARE TALKING THE THINGS WHICH YOU MADE-UP

H1T_That
10-06-2006, 04:04 PM
death to all enemies!!!

FUCK YOU IF YOU ARE TALKING THE THINGS WHICH YOU MADE-UP

I love your avatar, do you have emotional/personal problems?

FLeTch
10-06-2006, 04:06 PM
all the Turk enemies
is it what did you born with
get fuck outta world

killer_queen she knows Turkish she possibly live(she couldn't even tell scared sonofabitch just bla-bla from her fucked mind) in Turkey she is a perfect sonofabitch

i wanna ask this bitch


then do not offend every thing which is about TURK!

objectivity which is the thing that you can't learn cause you have no brain

even if i prove what happened

stiil you will say bla-bla fuck off

is it what you are???? is bitching allowed here BITCH

BEING OFFENSIVE AGAINST TURKS you can not go anyfurther by making stupid sounds like fuck off.

I AM VERY ANGRY BECAUSE BECAUSE OF SONOFABITCHES LIKE YOU

my country is bad-introduced.

SO PROVE THAT ARMENIAN GENOCIDE with something tangible

or get the fuck outta there to your own fucked up fascist world

JoY
10-06-2006, 04:28 PM
are you aware that she's from Turkey?

either way:
The Netherlands

country: Japan.
correct course of actions: let's.. use their own creativity in their disadvantage. *flips through some pages of a Japanese comic book*
reason: simple. they're insane. I'm obviously not reasoning from a practical view, (also because then I would choose not to bomb anyone at all, seeing the Netherlands isn't very tactical in the war-area) I just think they're fucking sick.

they've got a couple of great hairdressers, though.

Duskygrin
10-06-2006, 04:30 PM
don't bomb the niaks, bella. they like us french. delon & réno are idols there.

0r4ng3
10-06-2006, 04:33 PM
are you aware that she's from Turkey?That was the entire joke.
let's.. use their own creativity in their disadvantage. *flips through some pages of a Japanese comic book*
I'm sure it will involve tentacles.

JoY
10-06-2006, 04:36 PM
yes, but... never mind. *shakes head*

about the tentacles: probably. & body parts, mainly from private areas.

FLeTch
10-07-2006, 04:58 AM
yes, but... never mind. *shakes head*

about the tentacles: probably. & body parts, mainly from private areas.

aha look at the sign
it me lol
very angry writing ''because'' twice :D

Turks
10-07-2006, 05:27 AM
Sin Studly


I wanna fuck your brain...

FLeTch
10-07-2006, 05:43 AM
Sin Studly


I wanna fuck your brain...

yes right

''All Turk enemies deserve to DIE''

Tigger Army
10-07-2006, 06:03 AM
Look Fletch it's obvious you're basically the worst enemy for the turks, the way you're representing them. So you really think you deserve to die?

oh and uhm...
why would anyone fuck someone else's brain?

FLeTch
10-07-2006, 06:15 AM
Look Fletch it's obvious you're basically the worst enemy for the turks, the way you're representing them. So you really think you deserve to die?

oh and uhm...
why would anyone fuck someone else's brain?

learn to read posts

I AM A TURK I AM PROUD OF THIS
IF YOU CAN'T UNDERSTAND THIS
WHAT CAN I SAY MORE???

BECAUSE THE SONOFABITCHS DESERVE TO DIE
NOT THE ANGELS :mad:

Tigger Army
10-07-2006, 06:17 AM
and fucking brains is a good way to kill someone who deserves to die?

I knew turks were odd fucking sheep and stuff... but brains too...?

FLeTch
10-07-2006, 06:18 AM
and fucking brains is a good way to kill someone who deserves to die?

I knew turks were odd fucking sheep and stuff... but brains too...?

read that learn who TURKS are???

http://www.offspring.com/forums/showthread.php?p=903690#post903690

Turks
10-07-2006, 06:26 AM
tiger shut up bitch....


and then OBEY TO THE TURK

Tigger Army
10-07-2006, 06:44 AM
yes yes fine, but what about the brain fucking?

Turks
10-07-2006, 06:46 AM
pfsss Im very tired...

Tigger Army
10-07-2006, 06:49 AM
then take a good night sleep and explain me tomorrow

killer_queen
10-07-2006, 06:49 AM
yes yes fine, but what about the brain fucking?

Turks just LOVE brain fucking. That's why they don't need buttsex.

Turks
10-07-2006, 06:55 AM
killer guenn sen cok TÜrk yarragı yedin heralde kevaşe..

FLeTch
10-07-2006, 08:05 AM
Turks just LOVE brain fucking. That's why they don't need buttsex.

götten yemiş acısı var salakta buttsex diye ağlıyıp duruo sürtük :D

killer_queen
10-07-2006, 09:15 AM
killer guenn sen cok TÜrk yarragı yedin heralde kevaşe..

No babe, I open my legs only for aryans. That's why I'm still a virgin like you.

FLeTch
10-07-2006, 09:19 AM
No babe, I open my legs only for aryans. That's why I'm still a virgin like you.

:) it is very interesting to hear a bitch is a virgin

Turks
10-08-2006, 04:12 AM
kanka acısı war bu kızın ben anladım derdini : ))

DexterWannabe
10-08-2006, 04:32 AM
Sweden

Country: Denmark

Correct Course of Action: Occupation

Reason: They have cheap beer

you forgot, we don't have any army, just tommy stigson

Whiplash
10-10-2006, 06:06 AM
I think the words JUST BECAUSE is not an intelligent or logical answer! WHY occupy it?

Because it used to belong to the netherlands ( flemish speaking belgium that is)


concidering it's whiplash saying that...

most likely for the fries and chocolat
true to some extend.


Sounds like him!:rolleyes:

Ehmmmm, i did say that. moron.

Acoustic1804
10-20-2006, 11:18 PM
Don't post if you're going to try to be funny. Sin Studly will make you look like absolute fools.

QuietNightKing
10-27-2006, 01:54 AM
Do people in Turkey taste like turkey or chicken?

Nice name queen btw.


You mean how our dicks taste?
Hmmm you should taste it yourself :cool:

Tigger Army
10-27-2006, 08:05 AM
You mean how our dicks taste?
Hmmm you should taste it yourself :cool:

does this mean you're gay? Concidering you're offering him your dick

Sin Studly
10-27-2006, 03:06 PM
You mean how our dicks taste?
Hmmm you should taste it yourself :cool:

You're a fag and your mother is a whore.

Oxygene
12-01-2006, 05:30 AM
Slovakia

Country - Hungary
Correct Course of Action - Genocide
Reason - For centuries of oppression, stealing territories, trying to wipe out our national identity, extremism, denying the existence of Slovakia and ugly language (lolz).

It's really sad to see racists on the offspring.com forum.. how did this sink so low? :confused:

the_GoDdEsS
12-01-2006, 06:48 AM
Awwwwwwwwww. It's really sad to see most Hungarians are doing everything to doubt the existence and independence of my country.

Sin Studly
12-01-2006, 10:48 AM
It's really sad to see racists on the offspring.com forum.. how did this sink so low? :confused:

Fuck you, Magyar scum, go back to fucking Mongolia you fucking asian donkey-riding inbred liceridden scumbag fuck. Back across the fucking Volga with you, mongoloid pony-fucking piece of scumshit. Fuck the cunt of the Magyar Republic!

EMehl6
12-01-2006, 11:41 AM
U.S.A.

Country: Mexico

Action: Occupation, then addition to country.

Reason: They'll all end up over here at some point, why not beat them to it?

Edit: We should probably do the same thing with Cuba, too.

Oxygene
12-01-2006, 06:06 PM
Awwwwwwwwww. It's really sad to see most Hungarians are doing everything to doubt the existence and independence of my country.


Fuck you, Magyar scum, go back to fucking Mongolia you fucking asian donkey-riding inbred liceridden scumbag fuck. Back across the fucking Volga with you, mongoloid pony-fucking piece of scumshit. Fuck the cunt of the Magyar Republic!

Aquila non captat muscas :cool:

Mota Boy
12-01-2006, 06:59 PM
It's really sad to see racists on the offspring.com forum.. how did this sink so low?

Ho-lee shit. Isn't *this* a blast from the past?

Italia311
12-01-2006, 09:02 PM
I literally LOL'd at sins post...it was pretty damn acurate...

Sin Studly
12-01-2006, 09:43 PM
Aquila non captat muscas :cool:

Back to fucking Asia with you, gooktrash.

the_GoDdEsS
12-02-2006, 12:14 AM
Aquila non captat muscas :cool:

And that's all you can come up with?

Oxygene
12-02-2006, 04:33 AM
Ho-lee shit. Isn't *this* a blast from the past?

Yeah I've been laying low for quite some time =) I used to check the bbs every now and then, but when I saw this racist shit I just had to say something.. poor bastards have no idea who they're talking to, but newbies have always been troublesome, anyway it's nice to see some people still remember. Is there like an offspring irc chatroom anywhere nowadays where fans gather?.
Peace!

the_GoDdEsS
12-02-2006, 04:37 AM
Hahaha, newbies? You're on a high pony there, mister.

Sin Studly
12-02-2006, 05:28 AM
poor bastards have no idea who they're talking to

A scumbag fucking gooker piece of trash who should be east of the Volga.

Duskygrin
12-02-2006, 05:36 AM
Oxygene: isn't it the famous album-hit by jean-michel jarre?

Oxygene
12-02-2006, 05:45 AM
um... yeah I guess... but that's not where my nick comes from :) I didn't chose it based on that :o

Duskygrin
12-02-2006, 05:54 AM
hHHHHHHHHHHHHHHJ

the_GoDdEsS
12-02-2006, 06:01 AM
And a character in Achille Talon named Laszlo Zlotz, who speaks a French highly bastardized by Magyar, it's absolutely sidesplitting. He's supposed to represent the sad slavic soul: he's very thin, tall, with long, hazy, wavy chestnut hair, an immense bow-tie tied in Lavalličre fashion, very romantic, & a patchy suit of sorts, with different colours.

Uhm, did you imply that Hungarians are Slavs? Or did I misunderstand something?

Duskygrin
12-02-2006, 06:08 AM
It doesn't really matter if he's not slavic, the important thing is what he represents, he's just a symbol. I couldn't have said the "magyar soul", though hungarian he represents far more than that. It's complicated, you don't have to try & understand, just leave it at that.

Oxygene
12-02-2006, 06:19 AM
I thought you did. It is the only thing I can think of in relation to "oxygen" that might lead someone to choose a nick. Because you wrote it with an "e" at the end, hence my thought.


Well it worked on many levels, since my name is unpronounceable for people other than hungarians, when I was going into my first chatroom ever I thought I'd chose a nick people could pronounce, and I was listening to the song nitro on my walkman (holy shit.. cassettes!) and I thought nitro is a cool name.. but I thought every other guy was gonna be called nitro because of the song, so since I was just in chemistry class I figured I chose another element, and Oxygen sounded fun, but someone else on the server was using the name so I added an e at the end since dexter was into like molecular biology and genes and whatnot.. so that's the long and boring story of my nick.
If you wanna find out some cool things about Hungary and Hungarians I suggest you visit http://thehungarypage.com/ and especially the "nobel prize winners and famous hungarians feature... it's really cool! =)

Duskygrin
12-02-2006, 06:24 AM
I'll visit it, it's Saturday, plenty of time. Ah, so your name is about the offspring. Mine isn't, but at first, like you, I thought about my name, Maria, but there already is a Maria registered in here.

About the unpronounceability: that's the fun about it, that's why the character is called Laszlo Zlotz: the spelling looks foreign (for a native French), but it means sth in French (& absolutely nothing in hungarian): to have "la zozotte" is to pronounce your "s's" the way the letter "z" is pronounced. So it's a funny pseudo-foreign name for a comic strip character.

I'm on to my "Hungarian course" (your link)

P.S.: ooh, transylvania: now I'm on to my dracula course!

the_GoDdEsS
12-02-2006, 06:24 AM
Oh my, that's so full of Trianon whining and bias.

Sin Studly
12-02-2006, 06:30 AM
If you wanna find out some cool things about Hungary and Hungarians

There aren't any. Ponyfucking Magyar scum. Europe doesn't fucking want you, Europe never fucking wanted you. Why can't you just go back to fucking Mongolia and take your entire miserable race with you. You truly are the scum of the fucking earth, you know that? Get the fuck out of Europe.

Duskygrin
12-02-2006, 06:38 AM
Don't get bothered, oxygène, it hardly matters what some may profess to think. Although we do not know much about hungarians, as I told you, we know enough to love them. I first discovered the Hungarian Dances when little & have loved them ever since, for instance. And I met a Hungarian friend who told me how to pronounce Maria in hungarian (apparently the accent is on the first "a", but it was long ago & I may be mistaken); I haven't had the pleasure to be acquainted with any hungarians since. There aren't too many of you, you see...

P.S.: oh & of course, of course, how could I ever forget him? Franz Liszt! I love him, although he's atrociously difficult to play at times, he is also the romantic maestro... his brand is different from Chopin's, he is more into pyrotechnics, but some of his works are mercilessly beautiful: La Valse oubliée, La Tarantelle di bravura, La Campanella, ... My ex was labouring under the misconception that La Campanella, a very difficult work for piano, was of the same difficulty as the "Für Elise" work by Beethoven. But when he actually heard it, heard the intricacy of it, he loved it so he put it on his answering machine.

Sin Studly
12-02-2006, 06:46 AM
Do you know that well over half of the people on that list of famous Hungarians are just Slovaks, Serbs and Romanians who live in the "annexed" areas of Hungary. See, apparantly it's "annexing" when you take your own fucking country back from worthless Tatar invaders who should never have been in Europe.

Go. Back. To. Fucking. Asia.

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y218/AmonGoth/world_color.gif

the_GoDdEsS
12-02-2006, 06:51 AM
Lolz, Móric Beňovský, the Emperor of Madagascar is Hungarian now?

Lolz at map!

Oxygene
12-02-2006, 06:53 AM
Don't worry I only interact with offspring fans that are worthy of my attention, plus these retarted newbies are always loud, and whining and bitching, but they come and go anyway, and aren't here to stay so who cares? :D
Yeah you do have the emphasis on the a in the name, but in hungarian it's spelled with an á like Mária so it's a bit different the basic a sound but I'm sure the hungarian person you spoke to showed you. The thing I'm most proud of, and what is the most interesting is how over-represented Hungarians are amongst successfull and intelligent people (nobel prize winners, media people, inventors, scientists etc). That's pretty cool, for such a small people, and did you know we have the most nobel prizes per capita of any people? That's rad.. although we have the most alcoholics and suicides per capita too, which isn't all that cool but who cares =)

Duskygrin
12-02-2006, 06:56 AM
Oh & of course, Houdini & Jando. I knew those ones, the former because everybody does, & the latter because he's a well-enough known pianist whose quirk was to sing when playing! he couldn't help himself! So to get rid of that annoying habit, he put a cigarette in his mouth when playing -he didn't smoke it, mind. So the story goes, that's what I was taught, but I haven't delved in the historical facticity.

I had no idea Estée Lauder was hungarian, though. So many times I've seen the names in beauty ads & heard my mom on the phone, talking about esthetic products & mentioning the brand, not once did I think it was hungarian.. I just thought it was French... nevermind.

To answer your question, no I didn't know. I know so very little about anything east of france that how was I to know that fact? (not to disparage myself, but like most ppl here I don't delve in others' cultures unless I have a good reason to do so: origins, etc).
However, I'm well-aware that many überintelligent (or above-average intelligent) folks are jewish & ashkenazy (einstein, ...). that is, I'm not exactly surprised by the many nobel prize winners... I know that there was an anti-semitic streak in hungary, too, in the 1920's & later on, but lots of famous hungarians are jewish, aren't they? Yes it's true, your nation seems well into science on the basis of that data... it's sad about alcoholism (I almost find it romantic, I find it goes well with what I know about you transylvanian ppl!).

I'm glad I remembered well what the girl told me: she was called Rita, was a small, very blonde girl, with wavy hair.

the_GoDdEsS
12-02-2006, 06:56 AM
We're not newbies. And I remember you back from 2000. I just find it pathetic you're trying to put yourself up on some higher position of Mr. Judge and Know-it-All just because you come back after years and think you're smarter and better than anybody, randomly getting into a topic where you can't understand the background of it. Besides, this is the way it goes on this board.

Care to list your favourite Nobel Prize winners?

Oxygene
12-02-2006, 07:00 AM
I had no idea Estée Lauder was hungarian, though. So many times I've seen the names in beauty ads & heard my mom on the phone, talking about esthetic products & mentioning the brand, not once did I think it was hungarian.. I just thought it was French... nevermind.

The ones that really surprised me recently (partially from that list) were Calvin Klein, Gene Simmons, and Jerry Seinfeld. Especially Seinfeld, since I think he is a comedic genious.. (second only to a hand full in stand up, and probably non in sit-com) that really blew my mind. Do you like stand up comedy?

Sin Studly
12-02-2006, 07:07 AM
Does it not get in the way of your insane nationalism and illogical denial of the worthlessness of your filthy gook race that most of the people on the list aren't even Hungarian?

Duskygrin
12-02-2006, 07:10 AM
Calvin Klein? Jesus Christ. Calvin KLEIN? CALVIN Klein?

No idea, no idea in the world it was hungarian. Oh my god. I feel like a new-born babe. Basically everyone says I'm a baby, but really now, I feel like I am.

To be quite, quite honest, I have never heard about Seinfeld. That tallies with my taking little interest in stand-up comedy. Show me a good comedian (okay, you've just done that, seinfeld, haha). What I mean is... in comedy, I'm into british stuff, mostly, like Fawlty Towers, Monty Python, At last the 1948 show, etc or some French stuff, like Raymond Devos (but not seen him since ages, I just recall his comedy is good). I like comedians in movies though, like De Funès, Bourvil,or the guys that act in Le dîner de cons or Eddie Murphy...

Yeah I know, most of that is French stuff, & it's highly unlikely you'll have heard about any of those... they're good, though, trust me. But yeah, too remote for your liking I'm sure. but I'll check if theres some seinfeld stuff on youtube.

Sin Studly
12-02-2006, 07:15 AM
No idea, no idea in the world it was hungarian. Oh my god.

.... because he's not.

Oxygene
12-02-2006, 07:16 AM
Well I think the best stand up comedian, who is second to none is George Carlin, that man is a genius, and his delivery is awesome, he is rude crude, and all around fucking awesome. I plucked down $120 so me and my gf could go see him live, last time I was in the states. He is amazing.. the thing with Seinfeld is his comedy is really like family friendly, so it isn't rude or anything, and that puts lots of limit on it, but it's still greate, but the best thing he has every done is his Situation Comedy TV show titled Seinfeld, that was pure genius. I think he is noted for earning the most money playing the same character ever. If you remember, the stars of friends were each earning $1 million per-episode, and when they wanted to sign Seinfeld for a 10th series in 1999 he refused $5 million an episode... $110 for the season.. that's a nice fee :)

Duskygrin
12-02-2006, 08:00 AM
Oh, then I think I'd be far more likely to appreciate Seinfeld more than Carlin. I don't like crudeness in jokes, I just don't find it funny. I prefer family-friendly comedy, as you put it, or puns, or finesse humour... but even humour that is not refined, I may appreciate, it all depends on what it is. And I have seen neither, so I'll check both on youtube & tell you my mind.

I have never been an assiduous follower of Friends'... I th-think I may have seen once 10 minutes of an episode where the guy puts on his garters in the bathroom, I found it mildly funny...twas okay. And since we're on to celeb gossip, did you know Jennifer Aniston was Greek? Bet you didn't -nobody ever does. Her real name is Anistopoulos, but it's like hungarian names, in hollywood that would NEVER have worked. You just don't go around calling yourself anistopoulos, it's not the done thing. Same goes for hungarian names I assume.

As for Franz Liszt... I'll put on two photos to show the handsome hungarian features of the man:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v633/Duskygrin/franzliszt.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v633/Duskygrin/franzlisztnoeudpap.jpg

see the bow-tie & romantic look? well Laszlo Zlotz has the same, so I would assume he's directly inspired from Liszt. Who might well be one of the handsomest hungarians ever, btw. hope you're proud of him -oh, how you should

and so I'm on my way to youtube to check those comic geniuses. Caveat: if I don't laugh, you're up shit creek.

Oxygene
12-02-2006, 08:06 AM
I did know Jennifer Aniston was greek, and I also knew she changed her name, because of pronunciation reasons :) And I also know Telly Savalas is her godfather (or atleast I think I heard that) so.. Yeah I'm proud of Liszt, but not being a huge fan of the classical genre, I can't appreaciate his work as much as it would deserve it I think. Why were you so surprised Calvin Klein was Hungarian? It seems like it really shocked you...

Duskygrin
12-02-2006, 08:31 AM
Seems like they're both okay, neither makes me laugh but sometimes I smile.

I'm not your average viewer so my opinion is not worth much... however, carlin's voice & look struck me as plain strange. Seinfeld is handsome, slender, smiling... but carlin... a misanthrope if ever I saw one. Does this guy... love some ppl? Does he even love life? The list of the ppl he hates seems unending...

Erm... I... erm... I just had no clue that it could & actually was hungarian, cK. Come to think of it, born in America from Jewish parents, it says. No wonder. Kinda corroborates what I was saying, that lots of your celebs & geniuses are of jewish descent. Still, it came as quite a shock for cK, thought it was your random American brand λ, so I was flabbergasted (but it's okay, I recovered!)

oh & good on Jennifer. didn't expect you to know that. *salutes*

I can fairly say I learnt sth today... It's a pity we don't come to learn more about hungary, since you do come up with geniuses... ah well... as I said, anything east of France, is likely to go directly to the oubliettes.

Oxygene
12-02-2006, 09:05 AM
Carlin is an observer, he does love life, and his life, and his family and daughter and stuff, I guess he exaggerates to make points heard. I think he's wicked :)
Yeah I knew that about Jen... gotta love Jen. I'm a big friends fan :)
I'm glad you feel like you've learned something, and happy to have been of service..

EMehl6
12-02-2006, 05:56 PM
Hey jackasses, this thread was started to talk about which countries your nation should bomb, not who is Hungarian. No one fucking cares. In fact, I think Hungary needs to be added to the list of who needs to be bombed. Go take your worthless Hungarian talk somewhere else, because no one wants to hear it.

Sin Studly
12-02-2006, 06:39 PM
You know nothing of your roots. You want to annex Macedonia, Montenegro and Slovenia without even including your fucking opressors, the Turks and the Magyar scum?


And yeah, Hungary seriously needs to be bombed, genocided and wiped off the fucking map. Death to all Magyars.

Duskygrin
12-03-2006, 03:02 AM
Methinks the poster above me meant oppressors.

Paint_It_Black
12-03-2006, 05:08 AM
Yes, of course he did. Go ahead and bash him for a typo, since, you know, you could never actually beat him in an argument. Do it some more, make yourself feel better.

Duskygrin
12-03-2006, 05:42 AM
I don't bash him. And where's his argument?

anyway... oxy, our french minister of the interior is hungarian. Nicolas Sarkozy. With such a name how could it be otherwise? & he most assuredly doesn't look french. This is the problem, the french are only ready to elect someone who reminds them of themselves, he knows his foreign-sounding name & foreign-looking appearance are playing against him... & therefore strives to look & sound as french as possible, alleging speaking english is very hard for him etc... I'm not sure he's gonna get elected as french president in 2007... I'm not sure he's going to pull it off... we'll see. Good luck to him & to all hungarians! *fair play*

oh & of course, pics.

here's the hungarian sarko. See the sad soul reflected in his eyes? He's cute, otherwise, small & all.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v633/Duskygrin/nicolassarkozy.jpg

here's the french de villepin. See the confidence reflected in his eyes? He's more the handsome type.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v633/Duskygrin/dominiquedevillepin.jpg

I think it's two good examples of differences in features, it's very striking, both are high-flying politicians.

EMehl6
12-03-2006, 09:51 AM
What part of NO ONE FUCKING CARES WHO IS HUNGARIAN don't you understand?

Duskygrin
12-03-2006, 09:55 AM
I understand fine, you should know I just don't give a shit.

EMehl6
12-03-2006, 12:28 PM
Oh, so you're just a complete moron. I see.

Duskygrin
12-03-2006, 12:37 PM
*winks & clicks tongue*

Venom Symbiote
12-03-2006, 01:30 PM
How the hell does someone "click" their tongue?

Is this some other French anomaly? You people truly are creepy.

Jakebert
12-03-2006, 02:50 PM
Hey Venom, the Effort Police are looking for you. You're on notice.

http://accordionguy.blogware.com/Photos/2006/08/on_notice_board_generator.jpg

Oxygene
12-03-2006, 02:54 PM
wow some people have waaaaaay too much time on their hands.. imagine going around reading topics only to complain about how someone is posting something off-topic... Idle hands...
Anyway, yeah I know about Sarkozy, and I've also heard roumors that he might have a shot at running for president, and perhaps winning, which could be cool, since the French could use some good PR over here.. lotsa people still pissed off about the injustice of the WWI treaty (ppl need to move the fuck on), and the allience/sympathy with the romanians, and the whole transylvania not having autonomy crap, so if Sarkozy won that could sure help :cool:

Paint_It_Black
12-03-2006, 06:20 PM
There's no way anyone could seriously still be pissed about the treaty of versailles.

Wait, is that the treaty you're talking about?

Sin Studly
12-04-2006, 01:11 AM
You're wrong. I'm pissed off that those filthy pony-fucking mudblooded gooks got to keep a single fucking centimetre of Slavic and Transylvanian lands. Fuck the cunt of the Magyar Republic! Ethnic cleansing, all the way.

Oxygene
12-04-2006, 03:04 AM
There's no way anyone could seriously still be pissed about the treaty of versailles.

Wait, is that the treaty you're talking about?

Well some rightwingers still are, and some are dumb enough to want to reverese the thing, which I personally don't want, we're having enough trouble financing Hungarians, imagine if we had to educate/aid/feed all the worthless morons we've managed to shut out? The biggest problem people have, which I do agree with is the fact that 6 out of 16 million (well over 1/3) were thus exhiled to foreign countries, and that was greate injustice towards them, and nothing has been done to reconcile them in any way shape or form. Can you imagine that there is a country out there now, where the names of ALL the towns and cities and villiages originate from a Hungarian name? How fucked up is that :D can you imagine what kind of issues you'd have being a nationalist in a place where not one even one little name has anything to do with the people you belong to? That's why people here are so fucked up, and frustrated. I personally don't give a rats ass, and prefer to look ahead instead of back, but it is an issue with the right wing portion of the population (whom I'm not found of). They're all jazzed up about how a 1000 year old kingdom can be sliced up like that etc. I don't care much for that sort of thing, we went in on the wrong sides of the two ww because we were morons, and we pretty much deserved to be punished, although the question does remain weather or not justice was properly done... although I think the goal of ensuring tension in the central european region for a long long time was achieved, I mean look at all the pissed of racist right wingers in all the countries in the region, they all hate eachother.

the_GoDdEsS
12-04-2006, 04:07 AM
Well some rightwingers still are, and some are dumb enough to want to reverese the thing, which I personally don't want, we're having enough trouble financing Hungarians, imagine if we had to educate/aid/feed all the worthless morons we've managed to shut out?.

Thank you. What's most worrysome though is that your government permits the existence of rightist and xenophobic organisations (for instance HVIM, www.hvim.hu) which question the very existence and independence of Slovakia and Romania and still insist on calling us Upper Hungary, whereas Slovakia is apparently occupying Hungarian territories. Meanwhile such xenophobic organisations are illegal in my country, so we are not really being the racists officially here.

Second biggest problem with the relations between our countries is the Hungarian minority party who always abstain on anything pro-Slovak, goes to whine to Hungary and dares shame our nation in front of the EU asking to monitor Slovakia. I'm not sure if you've heard of all the hassle that's been going on in August and how we faced false accusations even from the EU. Most of the time it's not even the minority that cause the problems, it's the imperialists who represent them.


The biggest problem people have, which I do agree with is the fact that 6 out of 16 million (well over 1/3) were thus exhiled to foreign countries, and that was greate injustice towards them, and nothing has been done to reconcile them in any way shape or form.

Certainly there are Magyar minorities near the borders, but there also were for instance Slovaks or Romanians living on the territories of present Hungary which for the most part were chased back into their homeland.


Can you imagine that there is a country out there now, where the names of ALL the towns and cities and villiages originate from a Hungarian name? How fucked up is that :D can you imagine what kind of issues you'd have being a nationalist in a place where not one even one little name has anything to do with the people you belong to? That's why people here are so fucked up, and frustrated.

I'm not sure if I understood you correctly but if you mean Hungarian town names outside of Hungary, this is inherently not true. It was not until 1844 (almost all towns and villages existed by then) that Hungarian as a language was used in political life of the Austro-Hungarian Empire and the Apponyi laws came in 1907. Sure, there are examples like that in Southern Slovakia but even the Slovak town (Komárno) with the most Hungarians has its name probably derived from Latin and not Hungarian at all. Said town even has a Hungarian speaking university my government allowed. Most of the public life there happens in Hungarian language and the people have the same rights. So we can't really speak of oppression. Just for comparison, Budapest does not have a Hungarian name either.


I personally don't give a rats ass, and prefer to look ahead instead of back, but it is an issue with the right wing portion of the population (whom I'm not found of). They're all jazzed up about how a 1000 year old kingdom can be sliced up like that etc. I don't care much for that sort of thing, we went in on the wrong sides of the two ww because we were morons, and we pretty much deserved to be punished, although the question does remain weather or not justice was properly done... although I think the goal of ensuring tension in the central european region for a long long time was achieved, I mean look at all the pissed of racist right wingers in all the countries in the region, they all hate eachother.

I partly can see where that kind of frustration of the rightists comes from, even though it's not a rightful one since the whole territory which we are on was Slavic before Magyar tribes arrived and destroyed Great Moravia, separating West Slavs from the South Slavs. I'm not trying to be an extremist here but these are all issues that have been here for years and there are too many misinterpretations. But I won't argue that since you're not one of those who identify themselves with those views you mentioned.

EMehl6
12-04-2006, 08:22 AM
wow some people have waaaaaay too much time on their hands.. imagine going around reading topics only to complain about how someone is posting something off-topic...

It's not that I care that they're posting off topic, even though this thread topic was very entertianing, it's that I'm sick of them talking about the goddamned Hungarians. I mean honestly, who the fuck cares about whether or not someone is Hungarian. Fucking pointless bullshit. The icing on the cake is that they're French. Everyone here knows the French suck ass. They even lost their own revolution. How pathetic is that?

EMehl6
12-04-2006, 08:25 AM
How the hell does someone "click" their tongue?

Is this some other French anomaly? You people truly are creepy.

Maybe she's like that alien you have as your icon. I mean, the pic of her does sort of resemble it...

FuckingHardcoreBitch
12-04-2006, 09:06 AM
one thing to say;


SEIG HEIL my friends !! some of you are ready for KKK i think.

Some of you guys (not all) should confront life instead of reading about life in books, or watching TV. Do you think desperate people from x country are different from desperate people y country ?

I won't even go any further…not worth it…

Oxygene
12-04-2006, 09:19 AM
First off, it's nice to see you trying to take part in an intelligent conversation and making an effort. The reason I didn't reply earlier, is because I'm simply not gonna take part it dumbass racial debate, where all anyone has to say is something stupid, about the other persons roots, if you choose to behave in the intelligent manner, you've chosen in the quoted post, I'll be glad to converse with you, but if you start the stupid racist bullshit nonsense right wing slovak political propaganda again, then don't expect me to treat you like an equal partner the way I'm doing now (I don't engage in dialog with mindless political propaganda repeated to me second/third hand). Call me stuck up, or whatever, but you were right in one thing.. I do feel superior to mindless racists, and I do and will treat them like inferiors, by ignoring them. If someone has reasonable issues, that I'm willing to discuss. Anyway...



Thank you. What's most worrysome though is that your government permits the existence of rightist and xenophobic organisations (for instance HVIM, www.hvim.hu) which question the very existence and independence of Slovakia and Romania and still insist on calling us Upper Hungary, whereas Slovakia is apparently occupying Hungarian territories. Meanwhile such xenophobic organisations are illegal in my country, so we are not really being the racists officially here.

Actually hvim are a bunch of fucktards, they are nobodies, but the extreemist are always the loudest and best known (look at the gay parades as a fine example).. the HVIM leader and his pathetic bunch got their asses kicked by the cops a number of times recently, for acting like the turds they are, and are whining like fucking babies for being oppressed and what not. We've had a pretty big internal crisis recently, because our pm was exposed to have been lying, and it stirred all these extremist right wing motherfuckers up. These organiziations like the HVIM are political organizations in reality but actually hide behind a culture theme (with their oldskool righting a knight shit), but if you look at who edits their homepage the guy is called raszi (short for racist) what the fuck does that tell you? BTW I know the guy, and have pissed him off a number of times, he's a real piece of shit. So these organizations are hard to control, and handle, because of the way they are positioned. But on the other hand, if a foreigner here was beaten the shit out of by skinheads, the case wouldn't be just dropped within like a week, without an investigation. So I guess these things work both ways. And please don't tell me the "she beat herself up" thing.. if she would've she never woulda decided to come out of anonimity, which she remained in for a good deal of whole ordeal, instead, she would be here campaining and doing interviews with every paper and magazine and what not.. since that thing was headline news here.


Second biggest problem with the relations between our countries is the Hungarian minority party who always abstain on anything pro-Slovak, goes to whine to Hungary and dares shame our nation in front of the EU asking to monitor Slovakia. I'm not sure if you've heard of all the hassle that's been going on in August and how we faced false accusations even from the EU. Most of the time it's not even the minority that cause the problems, it's the imperialists who represent them.

Didn't some guy in your government say he's gonna occupy Budapest with tanks? If that's true why are you surprised the EU is upset? I honestly can't imagine even the dumbest right wing politician who has a shot of being in a government coalition to say something like that, and not be shut out from the party they're in, and I can imagine some pretty horrid shit from the right wing big party we have here fidesz.



Certainly there are Magyar minorities near the borders, but there also were for instance Slovaks or Romanians living on the territories of present Hungary which for the most part were chased back into their homeland.
I don't think there are nearly the number of slovakians or romanians in hungary than vv.. not to mention the ratio in transylvania for example, despite what caucescu did, with inserting all those poor romanians there. Transylvania has basically always been an autonomy of sorts for the greatest part of the last 1000 years, and now it's ruled by a country, that has nothing to do with it. I think that's a bit more extreem than slovak minorities in hungary..



I'm not sure if I understood you correctly but if you mean Hungarian town names outside of Hungary, this is inherently not true. It was not until 1844 (almost all towns and villages existed by then) that Hungarian as a language was used in political life of the Austro-Hungarian Empire and the Apponyi laws came in 1907. Sure, there are examples like that in Southern Slovakia but even the Slovak town (Komárno) with the most Hungarians has its name probably derived from Latin and not Hungarian at all. Said town even has a Hungarian speaking university my government allowed. Most of the public life there happens in Hungarian language and the people have the same rights. So we can't really speak of oppression. Just for comparison, Budapest does not have a Hungarian name either.

With out dragging in phoney technicalities of any kind.. check and see what percentage of slovak towns have hungarian names (meaning their own specific name in Hungarian) and do the same with all the other countries in the world (some towns have hungarian names, like we don't call vienna vienna we call it Becs, but we don't have a hungarian name for passau i.e. or graz), 100% of all towns worthy of being on the map of slovakia have their own name... not to mention the fact there are what 220 hungarian mayors in 220 slovak towns? this isn't about whose town it is or isn't, or who should rule over it don't get me wrong.. it's just that when something is that deeply rooted in the history of a kingdom, the best way to ensure, that the region doesn't develop because of people always bitching at eachother is the divide and rule (simple thing happens to work), that's what the west eventually did. The fact that some benefited from it, is a mere externalia, if whiping slovaks off the face of the earth would've resulted in the central region not developing, and decades of moral unrest, and the region not becoming an oppenent to the west, that's what the peace treaty would've contained.




I partly can see where that kind of frustration of the rightists comes from, even though it's not a rightful one since the whole territory which we are on was Slavic before Magyar tribes arrived and destroyed Great Moravia, separating West Slavs from the South Slavs. I'm not trying to be an extremist here but these are all issues that have been here for years and there are too many misinterpretations. But I won't argue that since you're not one of those who identify themselves with those views you mentioned.

Well the whole territory was ruled by neanderthals who most likely homo sapians killed the fuck off.. should we resurrect them, and go the fuck back to africa? i don't think so.. this "I was here first is" bullshit, and only gets in the way of any solution, and is only grounds for hungarian right wing to fuel their own ship, since their counter argument is that the region was part of the kingdom for a thousand years, and everything that developed there basically did so under hungarian rule, we defended it from the tatar, and the turks, we founded universities churches, we even had our parliament in Pozsony for god knows how long. You can go back and forth with this shit for ever and ever and ever, and you'll never come to an agreement, because these are all logical falacies.
As for (literal) misinterpretation the part of present-day slovakia which was a part of the hungarian kingdom isn't known in hungarian as upper hungary, and it never EVER was. Since my great grandmother was born there in Leva, I know. It is today as it has ALWAYS been (when referred to within a Hungarian context, not geopolitical) called Felvidék. Fel means "up" or "upper" vidék means "countryside" or "rural area" or "land". Infact no part of Hungary is refferenced with anything that contains the word hungary (magyar)... if you don't believe me go check out an online dictionary (http://szotar.sztaki.hu/) is a good one..

I wonder who in the world could be responsible for the misinterpretation of something that is so obviously and more importantly verifyably untrue.. where did you hear that from? See theres a good a deal of bullshit and deception EVERYWHERE. You're better off if you take a very ciritical point of view and take everything with a grain of salt, because even the people you think are looking out for you infact think of you as a retarded subject. Think about it.. they fed you this "they call slovakia upper hungary" bullshit, and thought you were too stupid to actually find out for yourself. God knows what else you've been told is pure bullshit like this. So be on the look out...

sad_statue_27
12-04-2006, 10:11 AM
England

Country: Anything smaller than us
Course of Action: Go in, kick up a bit of fuss, kill a few civilians and make off with a little bit of oil
Reason: So george will keep bumming our prime minister and as long as long as the US are bumming us, they're not bombing us

the_GoDdEsS
12-05-2006, 06:49 AM
Actually hvim are a bunch of fucktards, they are nobodies, but the extreemist are always the loudest and best known (look at the gay parades as a fine example).. the HVIM leader and his pathetic bunch got their asses kicked by the cops a number of times recently, for acting like the turds they are, and are whining like fucking babies for being oppressed and what not. We've had a pretty big internal crisis recently, because our pm was exposed to have been lying, and it stirred all these extremist right wing motherfuckers up. These organiziations like the HVIM are political organizations in reality but actually hide behind a culture theme (with their oldskool righting a knight shit), but if you look at who edits their homepage the guy is called raszi (short for racist) what the fuck does that tell you? BTW I know the guy, and have pissed him off a number of times, he's a real piece of shit. So these organizations are hard to control, and handle, because of the way they are positioned.

This is exactly what I needed to hear because over here we have no idea what kind of position the HVIM has in Hungary, with the law allowing their existence at all, they just seem to have quite a lot of supporters. So what do you know. It feels threatening. Especially since I seem to recall when Orbán was in power, wasn't he sort of rightist-leaning? Correct me if I'm wrong. I've also heard about the riots.

As for HVIM itself, the idiot Toroczkay, or whatever his name is, has been trying to organise pro-imperial marches in our capital city. After an explicit order not to, he came anyway with some idiotic poster, got arrested and banned from the country. It's quite sad some people live in the past. I don't think Slovaks cling onto the past as much any more, and if they have a dislike for Hungarians it's mainly because of rightists like that (here or in Hungary) or because of certain Magyars living here who dare say we are second-grade citizens of the empire, or are not willing to accept the country they live in. Unlike some of them who cause no problems and even speak accent-free Slovak outside of their homes. Nobody has a problem with that.



But on the other hand, if a foreigner here was beaten the shit out of by skinheads, the case wouldn't be just dropped within like a week, without an investigation. So I guess these things work both ways. And please don't tell me the "she beat herself up" thing.. if she would've she never woulda decided to come out of anonimity, which she remained in for a good deal of whole ordeal, instead, she would be here campaining and doing interviews with every paper and magazine and what not.. since that thing was headline news here.

Nobody is claiming it's sure she beat herself up, that's stupid. Somebody probably did that. Maybe her boyfriend? Maybe some thief? Maybe she fell? I guess we'll never find out what really happened. She just lied on some key issues, not the fact that she was hurt. Which cost us a lot of trouble and unnecessary accusations. And the case was not dropped, there was a special emergency meeting because of it in the politics circles and about 600 people were investigated in that area. It went on for weeks and was absolutely medialised.



Didn't some guy in your government say he's gonna occupy Budapest with tanks? If that's true why are you surprised the EU is upset? I honestly can't imagine even the dumbest right wing politician who has a shot of being in a government coalition to say something like that, and not be shut out from the party they're in, and I can imagine some pretty horrid shit from the right wing big party we have here fidesz.

I'd say it's mainly due to the fact that the SMK (Hungarian party) are seriously annoying and self-righteous and Slota is known to have quite a quick temper. It's not as much about the people, as it is about the constant fights between the national party (who never proposed or adopted any racially based policy) and the minority party who go to the EU to say "please monitor the Slovak Republic".



I don't think there are nearly the number of slovakians or romanians in hungary than vv.. ...

Yes, of course there aren't. There were not that many in the first place and most of them just went home.



With out dragging in phoney technicalities of any kind.. check and see what percentage of slovak towns have hungarian names (meaning their own specific name in Hungarian) and do the same with all the other countries in the world (some towns have hungarian names, like we don't call vienna vienna we call it Becs, but we don't have a hungarian name for passau i.e. or graz), 100% of all towns worthy of being on the map of slovakia have their own name... not to mention the fact there are what 220 hungarian mayors in 220 slovak towns? this isn't about whose town it is or isn't, or who should rule over it don't get me wrong.. it's just that when something is that deeply rooted in the history of a kingdom, the best way to ensure, that the region doesn't develop because of people always bitching at eachother is the divide and rule (simple thing happens to work), that's what the west eventually did. The fact that some benefited from it, is a mere externalia, if whiping slovaks off the face of the earth would've resulted in the central region not developing, and decades of moral unrest, and the region not becoming an oppenent to the west, that's what the peace treaty would've contained.

I get your point now, I think. I thought you meant origins of the names, etymology-wise. Most of the towns have Slavic or Latin first original names. As for the variants in the course of history, as we know the empire was trilingual, which basically means that most of the places had German and Hungarian variants along with the presently used official Slovak name (whereas certain places only in the South where Hungarians and Slovaks co-exist are allowed to have double signs, but are never refered to in Hungarian officially).

Care to explain the mayors thing? I did not follow.



Well the whole territory was ruled by neanderthals who most likely homo sapians killed the fuck off.. should we resurrect them, and go the fuck back to africa? ...

First point taken, second one dismissed. Great Moravia was a civilised empire with their own language, literacy and ruling system, on quite a large territory. There already were castles, rulers and settlements.



i don't think so.. this "I was here first is" bullshit, and only gets in the way of any solution, and is only grounds for hungarian right wing to fuel their own ship, since their counter argument is that the region was part of the kingdom for a thousand years, and everything that developed there basically did so under hungarian rule, we defended it from the tatar, and the turks, we founded universities churches, we even had our parliament in Pozsony for god knows how long. You can go back and forth with this shit for ever and ever and ever, and you'll never come to an agreement, because these are all logical falacies....

We defended it from the invasions together, which in itself was a good thing. And I hope when you say we, you do not only mean the Hungarian people/rulers, but all ethnicities within the Austro-Hungarian empire who have all fought, provided financial aid for the war and died for it.

Do you call Bratislava Pozsony?



As for (literal) misinterpretation the part of present-day slovakia which was a part of the hungarian kingdom isn't known in hungarian as upper hungary, and it never EVER was. Since my great grandmother was born there in Leva, I know. It is today as it has ALWAYS been (when referred to within a Hungarian context, not geopolitical) called Felvidék. Fel means "up" or "upper" vidék means "countryside" or "rural area" or "land". Infact no part of Hungary is refferenced with anything that contains the word hungary (magyar)... if you don't believe me go check out an online dictionary (http://szotar.sztaki.hu/) is a good one..

Leva? You mean Levoča, Levare or Levice? Because I have no idea. Was she Hungarian or maybe Slovak?

Good you clarified that Felvidék thing. Hungarian historical context, I take it?


Think about it.. they fed you this "they call slovakia upper hungary" bullshit, and thought you were too stupid to actually find out for yourself. God knows what else you've been told is pure bullshit like this. So be on the look out...

Nobody fed me that here and nobody does. It's a thing you see on some Hungarian sites in English. Also the first site you linked to had things like Person was born in City (annexed by Slovakia/Romania), where sometimes the wording is a little dangerous and may come across pretty badly. It might be the fact that it is not their first language, but it sounded biased. Also them mentioning our "Nazi" language laws is an absolute lie because like I've told you, Komarno is a bilingual town. One of the sites also being HVIM but we've already established an understanding on that.

Oxygene
12-05-2006, 12:11 PM
This is exactly what I needed to hear because over here we have no idea what kind of position the HVIM has in Hungary, with the law allowing their existence at all, they just seem to have quite a lot of supporters. So what do you know. It feels threatening. Especially since I seem to recall when Orbán was in power, wasn't he sort of rightist-leaning? Correct me if I'm wrong. I've also heard about the riots.

As for HVIM itself, the idiot Toroczkay, or whatever his name is, has been trying to organise pro-imperial marches in our capital city. After an explicit order not to, he came anyway with some idiotic poster, got arrested and banned from the country. It's quite sad some people live in the past. I don't think Slovaks cling onto the past as much any more, and if they have a dislike for Hungarians it's mainly because of rightists like that (here or in Hungary) or because of certain Magyars living here who dare say we are second-grade citizens of the empire, or are not willing to accept the country they live in. Unlike some of them who cause no problems and even speak accent-free Slovak outside of their homes. Nobody has a problem with that.


Let's just say that hungarian extreme right like HVIM doesn't even have a statistically measureable base (parties like that get well under 1% even if added together).. he's a little turd, who thinks that him and his friends started a revolution, recently he made a press statement, that the real parliament will be somewhere in the puszta, the new constitution will be the old 1000 year old unwritten(!) hungarian constitution, and MPs will have to ride horseback to the parliament.. I SHIT YOU NOT! This is the guy we're talking about OK. As for Orban, he is truly the lowest of the low, unfourtunatly, he is very VERY popular, his dumbass nationalist populism is disgusting, I can't even begin to tell you how deeply I loath that man, and what he calls politics. He started out in the late 80's as an extreme liberal, and now he's a conservatrive nationalist christian... wtf?! Anyway, if you should hate anyone it's him, it's his policy to unify the moderate right and extreme right votes, and that's why HVIM and stuff can actually stay alive, since the large right wing (nearly 50% of the country) choose to turn away, and pretend not to notice these freaks, so the party can steal the votes of these nazis. Anything bad that the right wing does, was "provoked by the left government" so that makes it ok, and understandable. The only reason he has substantial support is because he keeps playing the nationalist, and anti-communist card (did I mention he studied at oxford with a scholarship, under communist rule.. he must've been a big enemy of the system, I'm sure you know what I'm talking about), and people actually believe, that the present governing body has more to do with ex-communists than these other guys.. they divide the country down the middle and let the two sides fight.. it's aweful.
As for what provokes you guys, I don't know how extreemist hungarians behave in slovakia, and I wouldn't even defend them, but I do know for a fact, that merely speaking hungarian in some parts is enough to provoke violence from some slovaks, so I'm sure there are shitheads on both sides. Speaking on behalf of regular hungarians here in hungary, slovaks don't usually generate alot of anything really.. mostly apathy.. we just don't really give a shit I guess, it's not like we have minorities here or anything...


Nobody is claiming it's sure she beat herself up, that's stupid. Somebody probably did that. Maybe her boyfriend? Maybe some thief? Maybe she fell? I guess we'll never find out what really happened. She just lied on some key issues, not the fact that she was hurt. Which cost us a lot of trouble and unnecessary accusations. And the case was not dropped, there was a special emergency meeting because of it in the politics circles and about 600 people were investigated in that area. It went on for weeks and was absolutely medialised.

Well I think I've actually heard official slovak police statements saying that that's the most likely thing that happened, but to tell you the truth I don't really give a fuck anyway, what's disturbing is that a racially charged attack like this is a valid option, and that upsets me, more than what happened to the girl (or what didn't)


I'd say it's mainly due to the fact that the SMK (Hungarian party) are seriously annoying and self-righteous and Slota is known to have quite a quick temper. It's not as much about the people, as it is about the constant fights between the national party (who never proposed or adopted any racially based policy) and the minority party who go to the EU to say "please monitor the Slovak Republic".

I honestly don't give a fuck why he said something like that, all the self-righteousness and annoyence in the world isn't reason enough to say some shit like that.. and that's the kind of thing that gets EVERYONE pissed off, and again the problem is not that, that reject said some lame shit, the problem is that there was no visible reaction on behalf of anyone, that something was wrong with that.. he didn't get shut out of his party, he didn't get beaten the fuck out of by his fellow slovaks, nobody ripped his heart out and shoved it up his ass while it was still beating, something most hungarians would do to him, if they ever came face to face. If someone said some shit like that here, I swear atleast 50% of the people would be FUCKING outraged. Shit some people are seriously outraged at the president for sending back a law, (the law would allow us to give all flights details to the US for terrorist screening and the president wants to have a statement signed by the travelers, and only then give it out), and saying not to fuck with stuff like that, because some of us plan to actually travel to the US (he refuses, because of the fingerprint policy). Something that radical not running into any social resistance, means there is something fucked up.



Yes, of course there aren't. There were not that many in the first place and most of them just went home.



I get your point now, I think. I thought you meant origins of the names, etymology-wise. Most of the towns have Slavic or Latin first original names. As for the variants in the course of history, as we know the empire was trilingual, which basically means that most of the places had German and Hungarian variants along with the presently used official Slovak name (whereas certain places only in the South where Hungarians and Slovaks co-exist are allowed to have double signs, but are never refered to in Hungarian officially).
My point is that what we call slovakia today is deeply tied and rooted to Hungary from it's history, nothing more nothing less...


Care to explain the mayors thing? I did not follow.

Well I heard on the radio two days ago, that you had local government elections a few days ago, and that 220 villages towns and cities elected hungarian mayors.. that's all




First point taken, second one dismissed. Great Moravia was a civilised empire with their own language, literacy and ruling system, on quite a large territory. There already were castles, rulers and settlements.



We defended it from the invasions together, which in itself was a good thing. And I hope when you say we, you do not only mean the Hungarian people/rulers, but all ethnicities within the Austro-Hungarian empire who have all fought, provided financial aid for the war and died for it.

Well we will never know what would've happened had st. stephen not forced the entire region into catholicism... but I don't think this would lead anywhere, when I said we, I meant the political system that was behind the region. I obviously didn't think that slovaks stood by while the turks and tatars took turns raping the woman and pillaging their property. It's easy to unite when there is a common enemy :)


Do you call Bratislava Pozsony?
exclusively...




Leva? You mean Levo?a, Levare or Levice? Because I have no idea. Was she Hungarian or maybe Slovak?

Levice she was Hungarian she was born in 1899 it was still hungary then.. she passed away recently tho...


Good you clarified that Felvidék thing. Hungarian historical context, I take it?

I don't really know what you want/mean.. but yeah no region of hungary (past or present) is referred to as magyar anything (dunantul, duna-tisza koze, tiszan tul, erdely, karapat alja, alpok alja, felvidek) stuff like that see.. no magyar :)



Nobody fed me that here and nobody does. It's a thing you see on some Hungarian sites in English. Also the first site you linked to had things like Person was born in City (annexed by Slovakia/Romania), where sometimes the wording is a little dangerous and may come across pretty badly. It might be the fact that it is not their first language, but it sounded biased. Also them mentioning our "Nazi" language laws is an absolute lie because like I've told you, Komarno is a bilingual town. One of the sites also being HVIM but we've already established an understanding on that.

Well I'm having a hard time believin that somebody would do something that fucking stupid, even a hungarian right winger, but be it.. either way, you have to handed to your right wingers, they actually believed it, so again the blame isn't universally on one side I think we can both agree, that believing something that is so untrue is a form of ignorance and idiocy, just like making some shit like that up.

Daniel/Poland/Bydgoszcz
12-09-2006, 04:57 AM
Poland

Country: Belarus
Correct course of action: Occupation
Reason: Becaus it's old part of Poland, and they discriminated us in their country

Country: Ukraine
Correct course of action: Occupation
Reason: Because it's old part of Poland

Country:Russia
Correct course of action: Destroy
Reason: They occupated us and destroy my country (in 1772)xD

Sin Studly
12-09-2006, 05:55 AM
Country:Russia
Correct course of action: Destroy
Reason: They occupated us and destroy my country (in 1772)xD

Amazing, and you don't even mention Germany? What the fuck is wrong with you slavs? If you could only get your shit together for one fucking week there'd be no such thing as Hungary, Turkey, Muslims or Japan.

Prox
12-09-2006, 08:46 AM
Country: Antarctica
Correct course of action: bombardment
Reason: this will flood the polar ice caps and destroy the world, all in good riddance cause the word sucks.

Sin Studly
12-10-2006, 06:22 AM
born2die!!!!11

basuk
12-11-2006, 01:23 PM
England

Country: USA
Correct course of action: Occupation then Annexation (how ever it's spelt!)
Reason: We are the rightful owners of America...the only reason we lost is because of the bloody French, which leads me to my next country

Country: France
Correct course of action: Destruction
Reason: Jaq Chirac (again or how ever it's spelt!) is a idiot

Country: Hungary
Correct course of action: Occupation then Annexation (how ever it's spelt!) then handed over too the_goddess
Reason: Because the_goddess is hot and Hungary sucks...

Vive la Cuba! Socialism is the way forward!
lol.

Sin Studly
12-12-2006, 02:57 AM
Would it be possible to hand Hungary over to the goddess without Hungarians in it?

Paint_It_Black
12-12-2006, 03:47 AM
I want to genocide my own fucking people.

adombomb222
12-12-2006, 05:35 AM
Country: Mexico
Correct course of action: Take it over.
Reason: There’s not going to be anyone in Mexico in a few years ayways.

adombomb222
12-12-2006, 05:36 AM
I want to genocide my own fucking people.

Oh, thats... nice.

Italia311
12-12-2006, 11:59 AM
Canada/Italia

Country: England
Course of Action: occupation until further notice
Reason: Slavery and exploitation of the people and natural resources

F@ BANKZ
12-12-2006, 01:12 PM
Canada/Italia

Country: England
Course of Action: occupation until further notice
Reason: Slavery and exploitation of the people and natural resources

Country: Italy
Reason: 'Cause this guy's gonna bomb us! Someone help me

Oxygene
04-03-2009, 10:58 AM
I might get kicked in the nuts by the mods for bumping this, but I was reading through some old posts, noticed this and just wanted to come in here and being the petty petty petty person I am to say:


I win :)

I've always won, and I always will.. I outlive all the vermin :D

*Now we return to your regularly scheduled programming* :cool:

metalmania
04-03-2009, 02:22 PM
nations,countries,governments and more....they re just a big story!but dont worry!they will go!

Oxygene
04-04-2009, 01:07 AM
Oxy... I mean to go to Budapest with a guy in May, but not sure if I can pull it off with my job schedule, and also, I'm supposed to move soon (staying in Paris, though).

I don't know, Budapest is cheaper than Warsaw but lovelier than Bucharest. Isn't it?

Well I haven't been to Warsaw or Bucharest, but my gf's dad did work in Bucharest and Budapest is supposed to be nicer. It's a great city to visit.. you should try to come to see the Offspring in August at the Sziget festival.

Oxygene
04-04-2009, 05:51 AM
Ah huh. Well. We figured we couldn't go to Australia because it's all ripped off, we couldn't go to Vladivostok because it's all Japanese now, so why not take our pick of the finest in Central Europe?

And even then, it was just too expensive for our wishes (we would be going for some five days or so, but not on the Queen's budget). I haven't taken any holidays so far, any REAL holidays since I got my job, but I am not willing to fork out too much either. And as for Bucharest, I heard reports of its being decidedly bleak. So, we sort of pitched for Budapest, what with Count Dracula and the rest we figured we'd have fun. But the date isn't decided upon as yet - I certainly can't pick August as my job-contract is due to end in June and I don't know what I'll be doing next, and where I'll be working. May sounded like the right time to take a real holiday, a whole little week before my birthday, for instance. I don't know, I can't be too specific right now as it's all a chimera still, but I'll let you know for certain for you to give me some tips come the time.

Kisses.

Well let me know when you can

Budzy
04-05-2009, 01:15 AM
Post a list of countries your nation should occupy, genocide, economically sanction, sponser a proxy war in, or otherwise bomb back to the stone age.

Australia

Country - Papua New Guinea
Correct Course of Action - Occupation
Reason - They're the lowest of the low. They were colonised by a colony. That makes them doublepwned bitches, colonised and administrated by the prison-bitches of the English Empire. And now that we've given them independence and billions of dollars worth of aid, they think they can actually do what they want in their own nation, without Australia's permission. This is unacceptable.

Country - New Zealand
Correct Course of Action - Occupation
Reason - They think they have their own culture, instead of just borrowing ours. This is unacceptable.

Country - Malaysia
Correct Course of Action - Genocide
Reason - My uncle is in an unhappy marraige with a Malay girl. This is utterly unacceptable.

Country - Indonesia
Correct Course of Action - Genocide
Reason - They exist. This is highly unacceptable.

Country - East Timor
Correct Course of Action - Occupation
Reason - We've fought two or three wars there for 'humanitarian reasons'. It's about time we get a bit of payment for our efforts, in the form of cheap coolie labour.

Country - Solomon Islands
Correct Course of Action - Carpet Bombing
Reason - They're beginning to think they can make their own domestic policies without Australian permission.

Country - Japan
Correct Course of Action - Economic Sanctions
Reason - Hentai. We must fight the evildoers.

Country - Lebanon
Correct Course of Action - Genocide
Reason - Gives an excuse to genocide the ones here.

Country - Tasmania
Correct Course of Action - Genocide
Reason - Self-explanatory. We'll have to grant them independence first, since they're unfortunately part of Australia.

Country - New Caledonia
Correct Course of Action - Occupation
Reason - It's a French colony, and everybody knows the French don't fight back

Country - Turkey
Correct Course of Action - Genocide of the men, mass rape of the women
Reason - To impress Gulsah

I know this is quite an old post, but I found this hilarious, and felt the need to quote this in appreciation.

Little_Miss_1565
04-06-2009, 07:35 AM
I might get kicked in the nuts by the mods for bumping this, but I was reading through some old posts, noticed this and just wanted to come in here and being the petty petty petty person I am to say:

You lose now and for all eternity for bumping this. Have some shame, man.

renato piquette
04-07-2009, 12:04 PM
Sweden

Country: Denmark

Correct Course of Action: Occupation

Reason: They have cheap beer

i heard some swedes saying that denmark has the best beer

renato piquette
04-07-2009, 12:06 PM
mexico
country: puerto rico
correct course of action:genocide
reason:reggaetňn

SweetTatyana
04-07-2009, 12:22 PM
Speaking of bombings, has anyone heard that a man had recently certified as the only man to survive both atomic bombs:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/7963581.stm

Next time I'm having a bad week I'll know not to complain lol

0r4ng3
04-07-2009, 12:52 PM
mexico
country: puerto rico
correct course of action:genocide
reason:reggaetňn
I think that making them listen to reggaeton all the time is punishment enough. But I see where you're coming from.

Oxygene
04-07-2009, 01:27 PM
You lose now and for all eternity for bumping this. Have some shame, man.

No! SHAME! NEVER :)
I still win =)

renato piquette
04-07-2009, 06:40 PM
There’s not going to be anyone in Mexico in a few years ayways.

like,why??

NGNM85
04-16-2009, 01:01 PM
All war between nations is a disaster and contrary to the interests of the majority. War between classes, however, is a different story.

wheelchairman
04-17-2009, 08:54 AM
Class war has to be the most misleading term ever.

wetspointrus
04-20-2009, 11:53 PM
Country - China
Correct Course of Action - Bomb to hell
Reason - Making all other asians look reeeeally bad... I dont eat cat, dog, mice or wutever else you think i eat....

Country - North Korea
Correct Course of Action - Occupation
Reason - Being tyrranical jerks who play with their bombs way too much...
and make South koreans look bad....

Country - Japan
Correct Course of Action - Occupation
Reason - perverted bastards hahahaha. but theyre alright

RageAndLov
04-21-2009, 04:56 AM
Country - China
Correct Course of Action - Bomb to hell
Reason - Making all other asians look reeeeally bad... I dont eat cat, dog, mice or wutever else you think i eat....

Country - North Korea
Correct Course of Action - Occupation
Reason - Being tyrranical jerks who play with their bombs way too much...
and make South koreans look bad....

Country - Japan
Correct Course of Action - Occupation
Reason - perverted bastards hahahaha. but theyre alright

What!:eek: Doesn't every asian person eat dogtongue and rats?

Alison
04-25-2009, 04:44 AM
Country: England
Reason: 800 years. Fucking prods.

Bipolar Bear
04-29-2009, 07:12 PM
i want to bomb the country of ontario!!!

because they're gay miniamerican, cheap wine drinkers (and they're fucking ugly!)

ontario guy 1: LOL I'm from Canada, therefore I hate USA
other canadian: Then why do you do everything like in USA, except in smaller?
ontario guy 1: SHUT UP and let's get drunk off this cheap wine!!!

jacknife737
04-29-2009, 08:05 PM
That's cute coming from a resident of a province which suffers from a collective Napoleon complex.

KHWHD
04-29-2009, 08:16 PM
i want to bomb the country of ontario!!!

because they're gay miniamerican, cheap wine drinkers (and they're fucking ugly!)

ontario guy 1: LOL I'm from Canada, therefore I hate USA
other canadian: Then why do you do everything like in USA, except in smaller?
ontario guy 1: SHUT UP and let's get drunk off this cheap wine!!!

Ouch, that's harsh.

Bipolar Bear
04-30-2009, 02:40 PM
That's cute coming from a resident of a province which suffers from a collective Napoleon complex.

Yeah, I agree with you lol

But it's always funnier to laugh at Ontario

NGNM85
05-02-2009, 09:03 PM
Class war has to be the most misleading term ever.

Au Contraire. In the US productivity has increase sharply in the past few decades, while wages have essentially steadily declined since 1981. About a tenth of the Fortune 500 pay NO INCOME TAXES WHATSOEVER. Bankruptcy is at record levels, about half of that is due to medical cost, moreover about 40-some-odd million Americans can't afford, or aren't eligible for health coverage. Because of this our infant mortality rate has risen to roughly the level of Malaysia. The US is also exceptional among western nations in terms of homelessness. Roughly 60% of our nations' wealth is controlled by the top 2% of the population, and the dichotomy is growing. Look at the images of the desperate poor residents of the lower ninth ward of New Orleans, or the Exxon Valdez spill, which Exxon, which is making record profits, still hasn't totally paid the damages for, or the Union Carbide explosion in Bhopal, India, which killed maybe more than 16,000 people, who were left with a pittance settlement and a "Sorry!" from the company. Or read about any number of sweatshops, like the 90's controversy over Nike using children in Pakistan and Cambodia to make soccer balls for virtually nothing, working them until they're hands were scarred, useless, paws. Or how the US government and international groups like the IMF and the World Bank force third world countries to pay in debt roughly twice what they receive in aid, ensuring economic development is impossible. Or the thousands of people that die from dehydration, starvation, or easily curable diseases because there is no financial incentive to save lives. Even now in the midst of our financial crisis, caused by these massive financial institutions, the government is tripping over itself to give our hard earned tax money to these banks and companies who got us into this mess to buy themselves raises and buy jumbo jets. MAKE NO MISTAKE. This IS war. The more time goes by I really think Robespierre had the right idea. They’re essentially saying “Let them eat cake”, well, we know how that story ends...

wheelchairman
05-02-2009, 10:29 PM
I didn't bother to read that. Too challenging paragraph-wise, but after spending several years in the revolutionary left wing I'm certain I already know what the gist of what you said was, and I believe I'm still right.

Stubborn, lazy, sure. But there's war, and then there's class-war which don't really measure up in content at all. Isolated incidents or otherwise.

Skinny
05-02-2009, 10:39 PM
I didn't bother to read that. Too challenging paragraph-wise,

^^^ The definition of gym teacher. ^^^

The shadow
05-03-2009, 12:19 AM
Not to be confrontational but, being a radical communist or anarchist nowadays sounds just out of time. Like Pietri said: "Anyone who wasn't a communist at age 20, didn't have a heart and anyone who still is at age 30, doesn't have a brain".

If you want to be taken seriously, specially in your country, you should try to be more moderate. Any change in the way things are done in this world will be achieved gradually, starting from capitalism and then, merging it with the best concepts from socialism; not through a sudden revolution led by class-war.

NGNM85
05-05-2009, 04:33 PM
Not to be confrontational but, being a radical communist or anarchist nowadays sounds just out of time.

I'll accept the term "radical", although it is subjective. Anarchism is hardly in contrast with modernity, it has grown and changed and evolved. For example, one of my biggest influences is Noam Chomsky, an MIT professor for 50 some odd years,he won the Kyoto prize (Like a Japanese equivalent of the Nobel.) for scientific acheivement, he is one of the top ten or twenty cited writers in history, right next to Plato and other lumenaries. So, theres' no conflict with modernity. In fact, I strongly recommend his essay collection "Anarchism' as one of the best modern contributions to Anarchism, and a significant contribution to political discourse and philosophy in general. As for communism, I do think that is dated. While Marx made some landmark acheivements and had a profound influence it all comes down to his disagreement with Bakunin at the International. Essentially Marx's idea of a revolutionary vanguard becoming a "dictatorship of the proletariat" in some ways similar to Plato's "philosopher king", is a really dubious concept. The Anarchist objection, that I think is borne out by history, is that absolute, monolithic concentrations of power are inherently corrupting and dangerous. For all his insight into economics Marx seems to have a blindness to this. Also Marx insisted that the revolution would absolutely have to be violent, and global, both of which I think are kinda dubious. Now, Bakunin wasn't perfect either, but I think he has been vindicated and that the criticism stands.


Like Pietri said: "Anyone who wasn't a communist at age 20, didn't have a heart and anyone who still is at age 30, doesn't have a brain".

I have never been a communist but I find that to be a very dubious oversimplified colloquialism.


If you want to be taken seriously, specially in your country, you should try to be more moderate.

You don't know enough about my political beliefs to make that determination. Also, we have to seriously consider what we mean by "moderate". To paraphrase Wilde, a paractical scheme is one that already exists or where all the prerequisites are already in place. Therefore, ANY kind of significant change is not practical. One a side not, what I fin interesting is the more I talk to people about what my beliefs actually are, they realize we have a lot in common. Also, the American government is FAR to the right of the public on say, nationalized healthcare, the environment, foreign relations, and so on.



Any change in the way things are done in this world will be achieved gradually, starting from capitalism and then, merging it with the best concepts from socialism; not through a sudden revolution led by class-war.

First of all this is a gross oversimplification of class war, to reduce it to direct physical confrontatiobn, thats' not what it means, at least, not always. When a corporation makes record profits and lays of a couple thousand workers just because thats' class warfare. NAFTA is class warfare. When my company brought in some cloven-hoofed strikebreaker asshole to play hardball with my union and try to take away peoples' benefits that they're families depend on, thats' class warfare. This was that other guys' objection, that "class war" is a broader term, like the "cold war." Also, historical change is just as often radical and immediate as gradual, history isn't always an even flow, it has very large, very drastic fits and spurts and contractions. as I said before, I think somebody quoted this, it's actually a paraphrase of a quotation, I forget the guys' name, that "All revolutions are impossible, until they HAPPEN, THEN, they become inevitable." I would ideally prefer a gentle, non-violent transition, however; 1. I am not ideologically a pacifist, and there are situations where force is legitimate, 2. Unfortunately our political and economic system is the very mechanism thats' causing the problems and has a vested interest in maintaining inequality and inhumanity. Although, you are correct in the assertion, which started with Marx, and it's sort of a blanket truism, that society has to move through industrial capitalism to come out the other side into a much more humane system, which is just becoming more possible as technology and new ideas about sustainability grow.

RageAndLov
05-05-2009, 04:42 PM
Also, the American government is FAR to the right of the public on say, nationalized healthcare, the environment, foreign relations, and so on.



This is one of the few things I agree with you on. Some Americans think that the US is becoming a communist state now that Obama has come to power, but the truth is that the US is far from being near socio-democratic! I think many US citizens don't know what communism and socialism actually is.

NGNM85
05-05-2009, 09:08 PM
This is one of the few things I agree with you on.

Well, it's kinda tough to take that seriously. Most of my posts have been on the Anarchism threads, and, trying to be diplomatic, but, unless you've done some research recently, you have no idea what Anarchism is. I'd recommend beginning with Emma Goldman's "Anarchism: what it Is and What it Stands For" as a basic primer, maybe one or two essays by Pierre Proudhon, and then Chomsky's "Anarchism". For a full treatment you could read "Demanding the Impossibl;e" by Peter Marshall which is a full history of Anarchism tracing it's ideas from ancient Greece and Confucianism to today, but it's almost 1,000 pages long it's a little too in-depth for the casual reader. Anyway,..THEN we'd have a much more productive discussion.



Some Americans think that the US is becoming a communist state now that Obama has come to power, but the truth is that the US is far from being near socio-democratic! I think many US citizens don't know what communism and socialism actually is.

Oh, believe it. The words communism and socialism are being tossed around like confetti, especially at these ridiculous "tea parties", yet half these people clearly couldn't define the words if they're life depended on it. Most of them also don't realize that Obama gave them a tax cut. They also said nothing while the Bush administration (And it's not like it didn't happen under Clinton as well.) was giving massive handouts to multinationals and millionaires, these people are fine with government handouts and subsidizing (What they mistakenly refer to as "socialism.") as long as the people being subsidized are filthy rich. It's asinine. Getting back to healthcare, John Kerry, who's considered pretty out on the left in the American political spectrum was quoted as saying there just wasn't sufficient "political will" for a national healthcare plan, while publicly available and reliable polls show the majority of Americans want it. (Something that received very little media attention.) This is very illuminating. You see, what he actually means is that there isn't enough political will among the top few percent, the millionaires and billionaires , in the words of founding father John Jay, "the people who own the country". It is their political will that moves our system.