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WildWolF
10-26-2006, 02:36 PM
Some videos for the inveigled EN ppl.

The Turkish Genocide
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPPj5wmN-JA

Are your eyes still close? Watch this,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B7I5RJjIynY

Can you think? Lets think a little bit about it,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfLk5R7Z6vs

isnt it enough ? watch it,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7bLOKmK61oE

Please be honest. Who is the killer?

FLeTch
10-26-2006, 02:38 PM
i think everyone should watch it!

WildWolF
10-26-2006, 02:40 PM
i think everyone should watch it!

I dont think so. They just have white washed brains...:eek:

JohnnyNemesis
10-26-2006, 02:40 PM
The Turks killed the Armenians, you fucking scumbag piece of shit assholes.

WildWolF
10-26-2006, 02:42 PM
The Turks killed the Armenians, you fucking scumbag piece of shit assholes.

Can you just say swearwords? Do you have a brain? Dont let me laugh

JohnnyNemesis
10-26-2006, 02:43 PM
Fine, I'll rephrase:

The Turks killed the Armenians and the entire world knows it. Your shame is laughable.

Sin Studly
10-26-2006, 02:43 PM
Death to all Turks.

killer_queen
10-26-2006, 02:47 PM
I think you all should watch this one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ll8Qm8yDj-8

WildWolF
10-26-2006, 02:48 PM
Fine, I'll rephrase:

The Turks killed the Armenians and the entire world knows it. Your shame is laughable.

The world knows it?
How can they know it? It is a lie.
You are a lier and your parents and grandparents said that lies.
You are just have a white washed brain all you have...

FLeTch
10-26-2006, 02:53 PM
Fine, I'll rephrase:

The Turks killed the Armenians and the entire world knows it. Your shame is laughable.

idiot! you make me laugh
i bet you didn't even watched videos
just bla bla
i hate bitches like that

WildWolF
10-26-2006, 02:53 PM
APRIL 24, 1915

Regarding these revolts and massacres, the Ottoman Government merely declared to the Armenian Archbishop, deputies and community leaders that appropriate measures would be implemented if the Armenians did not stop massacring the Moslems. However, the intensification of the events, the increase of attacks against defenseless Turkish women and children and the war that waged on several battlefronts all at the same time necessitated to secure the rear lines.

The first move adopted on April 24, 1915 was to ban all Armenian committees and to arrest 2.345 leaders for crimes against the State. The date of April 24, commemorated by the Armenians abroad as the anniversary of genocide against Armenians, is the date of these arrests and has nothing to do with the replacement.

The Etchmiasin Patriarch, a priest named Kevork, sent the following cable to the United States President upon this move:

Mr. President, according to the latest news received from the Turkish Armenia, a massacre started there and an organised terror has put the Armenian lives in danger. In this precarious moment, I am addressing to the noble sentiments of the great American nation and ask you to intervene immediately through your Great Republic�s diplomatic representation for protecting my people left to the mercy of the violence of Turkish fanaticism, on behalf of humanity and Christian belief.

Kevorg, Ecumenic Patriarch of all Armenians.

This cable was followed by the Washington contacts of the Russian Ambassador.

The incident here was merely the banning of Armenian committees and the arrest of the culprits. Yet, the Armenians endeavoured to display it as a massacre and to rally the United States and Russia into their ranks.


APRIL 24, 1915

Betreffende deze opstanden en slachtingen, verklaarde de Ottoman
Overheid slechts aan de Armeense Aartsbisschop, de afgevaardigden en
de communautaire leiders dat de aangewezen maatregelen worden ten
uitvoer gelegd als de Armeniërs niet ophielden afslachtend de
Moslims. Nochtans, de intensivering van de gebeurtenissen, de
verhoging van aanvallen tegen weerloze Turkse vrouwen en kinderen en
de oorlog die op verscheidene battlefronts allen tezelfdertijd
gevergd waged om de achterlijnen te beveiligen.

De eerste beweging die op 24 April..1915 wordt goedgekeurd moest alle
Armeense commissies verbieden en 2.345 leiders arresteren voor
misdaden tegen de Staat. De datum van 24 April, die door de Armeniërs
in het buitenland als verjaardag van volkerenmoord tegen Armeniërs
wordt herdacht, is de datum van deze arrestaties en heeft niets met de
vervanging te doen.

Etchmiasin Patriarch, een priester genoemd Kevork, verzond de
volgende kabel naar de Voorzitter van Verenigde Staten op deze
beweging:

De Voorzitter van M., volgens het recentste nieuws dat van Turks
Armenië wordt ontvangen, hebben een daar begonnen slachting en een
georganiseerde verschrikking het Armeense leven in gevaar gezet. In
dit precaire ogenblik, richt ik aan het edele gevoel van de grote
Amerikaanse natie en vraag u om onmiddellijk door uw Grote
diplomatieke vertegenwoordiging tussenbeide te komen Republic?s
voor beschermen van mijn mensen verlaten aan de genade van het geweld
van Turkse fanaticism, namens het mensdom en Christelijk geloof.

Kevorg, Oecumenische Patriarch van alle Armeniërs.

Deze kabel werd gevolgd door de contacten van Washington van de
Russische Ambassadeur.

Het incident was hier slechts het verbieden van Armeense commissies en
de arrestatie van de beklaagden. Maar toch poogden de Armeniërs om
het te tonen als slachting en de Verenigde Staten en Rusland te
verzamelen in hun rangen.

The Etchmiasin Patriarch, a priest named Kevork, sent the following cable to the United States President upon this move:

Mr. President, according to the latest news received from the Turkish Armenia, a massacre started there and an organised terror has put the Armenian lives in danger. In this precarious moment, I am addressing to the noble sentiments of the great American nation and ask you to intervene immediately through your Great Republic�s diplomatic representation for protecting my people left to the mercy of the violence of Turkish fanaticism, on behalf of humanity and Christian belief.

Kevorg, Ecumenic Patriarch of all Armenians.

This cable was followed by the Washington contacts of the Russian Ambassador.

The incident here was merely the banning of Armenian committees and the arrest of the culprits. Yet, the Armenians endeavoured to display it as a massacre and to rally the United States and Russia into their ranks.

Sin Studly
10-26-2006, 02:55 PM
You killed the Armenians, you sonofthebitches!

WildWolF
10-26-2006, 02:57 PM
You killed the Armenians, you sonofthebitches!

You said I'm a Kurd person. How do you know who killed? Have you ever watch this videos?

FLeTch
10-26-2006, 03:00 PM
You said I'm a Kurd person. How do you know who killed? Have you ever watch this videos?

thanks for sharing the videos

about sin:

he is straight minded
also he can't think
a horse is better than him
at least a horse deserves respect
but he doesn't
he deserves to die!!!:mad:

indeX
10-26-2006, 03:01 PM
Some people here have no idea about the history and they dont read books or newspapers i guess.There are no proofs about that the genocide.Some idiots like u tell some shits around and the other idiots believe that without searching it.I could tell you the real story about it but it will be too long to write and ur little brain cant understand it.Try to find something about this in the history and than speak!And the opposite of this is happend. They killed the turks. they took babies out of the pregnant womens stomachs.And its not even the worst thing they made.Search, learn and than make ur interpretation.And don't tell shit to the people here. We didn't kiLL any Armenien...

Sin Studly
10-26-2006, 03:01 PM
A horse never genocided the Armenians, sonofthebitch!

funday
10-26-2006, 03:03 PM
I think The Armenians the bigst killers of the world.

FLeTch
10-26-2006, 03:05 PM
A horse never genocided the Armenians, sonofthebitch!

they killed new born babies in Turkey
what is it???
FUCK PKK and YOUR FAMILY
WE HATE BABY KILLERS
DIE!!!

killer_queen
10-26-2006, 03:07 PM
I think you all should watch this one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ll8Qm8yDj-8

Come oooon guys, just watch this video. It's reaaallly funny.

FLeTch
10-26-2006, 03:10 PM
Come oooon guys, just watch this video. It's reaaallly funny.

YOU SHOULD WATCH PKK VIDEOS
HOW BABIES KILLED WITH 1 BULLET TO THEIR HEADS
THEN WRITE!!!!
utanmaz arlanmaz senin orospu ananı bacını yedi ceddini bulup siktirtmek farz oldu.Dünyanın öteki ucuna kaçsanda seni bulup skmek lazım!SENİN GİBİ ŞEREFSİZ TURKUM DEMESİN.ANANI BABANI FAMİLYANI SİKİYİM

WildWolF
10-26-2006, 03:13 PM
Come oooon guys, just watch this video. It's reaaallly funny.

What are you talking about?

and the big sonofthebitch said
Originally Posted by Sin Studly / the Koran is for terrorists.

You are just idiots. And I saw it a little bit late..

indeX
10-26-2006, 03:15 PM
Typical idiot words. ''sonofthebitches'' :) you have no idea about the world,don't u? typical idiot who tries to make the peopla angry. Be happy cause we r trying to discuss with u here :) its an honour for u:) but ur fuckin little brain cant understand it:) so go to ur bad and shut ur fuckin mouth. teLL us something what really happend. bring some proofs. and then i will believe u.but till that just bu quiet...

killer_queen
10-26-2006, 03:18 PM
Peki ya Kürtler fletch? Onların hiç mi bebekleri ölmedi? Onlar hiç mi acı çekmedi de durduk yerde hadi türklerin bebeklerini öldürelim dediler? Ufaklık, çok şey biliyormuşsun gibi konuşuyorsun ama merak ediyorum hiç doğuya gittin mi? Oradaki insanların ne sefillikler içinde yaşadığını, nelere katlanmak zorunda olduklarını, nasıl ikinci sınıf insan muamelesi yapıldığını gördün mü? Tabii ki hayır. Çünkü sen sadece herşeyi televizyondan, gazeteden öğrenen beyaz türkün tekisin.

Bu arada sandığının aksine ben de bir Türküm ve ülkemi seviyorum. Ben de bir müslümanım ve bundan gurur duyuyorum. Ve yine senin aksine insanların ezilmesine karşıyım. pkknın kürtler tarafından değil cahiller tarafından oluştuğunu biliyorum. Yiyecek ekmeği olmadığı için zorunlu olarak katıldığını biliyorum insanların. İşte bu yüzden de kendi milletimden ölesyile nefret ediyorum koyun sürüsü olduğu için.

Orospu, seni sikerim gibi laflarla gelmen de ne kadar klasik bir türk erkeği oldğunu ifade ediyor. Ve benim onlara karşı nefretimi daha da büyütüyorsun. tebrikler.

WildWolF
10-26-2006, 03:19 PM
Come oooon guys, just watch this video. It's reaaallly funny.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZUE_vFOSFE4

Watch it and dream your family / your best friend / your son / your daugter like them.

And if you can still fun. I dont say anything to you...

WildWolF
10-26-2006, 03:20 PM
Peki ya Kürtler fletch? Onların hiç mi bebekleri ölmedi? Onlar hiç mi acı çekmedi de durduk yerde hadi türklerin bebeklerini öldürelim dediler? Ufaklık, çok şey biliyormuşsun gibi konuşuyorsun ama merak ediyorum hiç doğuya gittin mi? Oradaki insanların ne sefillikler içinde yaşadığını, nelere katlanmak zorunda olduklarını, nasıl ikinci sınıf insan muamelesi yapıldığını gördün mü? Tabii ki hayır. Çünkü sen sadece herşeyi televizyondan, gazeteden öğrenen beyaz türkün tekisin.

Bu arada sandığının aksine ben de bir Türküm ve ülkemi seviyorum. Ben de bir müslümanım ve bundan gurur duyuyorum. Ve yine senin aksine insanların ezilmesine karşıyım. pkknın kürtler tarafından değil cahiller tarafından oluştuğunu biliyorum. Yiyecek ekmeği olmadığı için zorunlu olarak katıldığını biliyorum insanların. İşte bu yüzden de kendi milletimden ölesyile nefret ediyorum koyun sürüsü olduğu için.

Orospu, seni sikerim gibi laflarla gelmen de ne kadar klasik bir türk erkeği oldğunu ifade ediyor. Ve benim onlara karşı nefretimi daha da büyütüyorsun. tebrikler.

Siktir git kaltak. Sen soyunu bi araştırsana nerden gelio senin kürt yada Türk olma ihtimalin bile yok. Ermeni dönmesidir senin yedi ceddin. Kur'an a dil uzatan o dilini gotune sokarız elbet bir gun...

indeX
10-26-2006, 03:22 PM
KiLLer_queen. hiç doğuda yaşadınmı? sabah kahvede tavLa oynadığın adamın akşam karşına geçip sana kurşun atmasına şahit oldunmu? askerliğini doğuda yaptınmı? insan öLdürmenın ne demek oldugu hakkında bir fikrin varmı? elinden tutup kıyafet verdıgın cocugun yanındaki arkadasını şerefsiz bir kurşunlu pusuya yatıp vurduguna şahit oldunmu? gece ranzanın altında yatan can kardeşinin ertesi gun şerefsiz bir mayınla parçalarının yüzüne gelmesıne şahit oldunmu? doğunun neresınde kaldın sen allahını seversen. peki kürt die bir ırk olmadıgını biliyomusun da sempatizanlık yapıyosun. kürt türk ayırmam ama vatanın bölünmez birliğine zarar vercek her insan potansiyel terorist ve öLüdür gözümde.

FLeTch
10-26-2006, 03:23 PM
Peki ya Kürtler fletch? Onların hiç mi bebekleri ölmedi? Onlar hiç mi acı çekmedi de durduk yerde hadi türklerin bebeklerini öldürelim dediler? Ufaklık, çok şey biliyormuşsun gibi konuşuyorsun ama merak ediyorum hiç doğuya gittin mi? Oradaki insanların ne sefillikler içinde yaşadığını, nelere katlanmak zorunda olduklarını, nasıl ikinci sınıf insan muamelesi yapıldığını gördün mü? Tabii ki hayır. Çünkü sen sadece herşeyi televizyondan, gazeteden öğrenen beyaz türkün tekisin.

Bu arada sandığının aksine ben de bir Türküm ve ülkemi seviyorum. Ben de bir müslümanım ve bundan gurur duyuyorum. Ve yine senin aksine insanların ezilmesine karşıyım. pkknın kürtler tarafından değil cahiller tarafından oluştuğunu biliyorum. Yiyecek ekmeği olmadığı için zorunlu olarak katıldığını biliyorum insanların. İşte bu yüzden de kendi milletimden ölesyile nefret ediyorum koyun sürüsü olduğu için.

Orospu, seni sikerim gibi laflarla gelmen de ne kadar klasik bir türk erkeği oldğunu ifade ediyor. Ve benim onlara karşı nefretimi daha da büyütüyorsun. tebrikler.

senin hakkında az bile yazdım kodumun evladı
30000 TüRK ü öldüren şerefisz bi ırkı savunma bana:mad:
ekmeği yediği yere kurşun atanı götünden skerler
hepsi gebersin PKK lı piçlerin az bile yaptık
SENİN BU ÜLKEYE KÜFREDİP SONRA BU ÜLKEYİ SEVİYORUM DEMEYE HAKKIN YOK!!!!
MÜSLANLIĞINDAN GURUR DUYUYOSAN İMZANI DEĞİŞTİR
GERİZEKALI

SEN BURDA GAVURLARIN GÖTÜNÜ YALARKEN BEN VATANIMA MİLLETİME NASIL FAYDALI OLURUM ONUN HESABINI YAPIYORUM

SENİN GİBİ O.Ç.LARINI İSTEMİYORUZ
GEBER VE Bİ DAHA TÜRKİYE HAKKINDA KONUŞMA

HeadAroundU
10-26-2006, 03:27 PM
senin hakkında az bile yazdım kodumun evladı
30000 TüRK ü öldüren şerefisz bi ırkı savunma bana:mad:
ekmeği yediği yere kurşun atanı götünden skerler
hepsi gebersin PKK lı piçlerin az bile yaptık
SENİN BU ÜLKEYE KÜFREDİP SONRA BU ÜLKEYİ SEVİYORUM DEMEYE HAKKIN YOK!!!!
MÜSLANLIĞINDAN GURUR DUYUYOSAN İMZANI DEĞİŞTİR
GERİZEKALI

SEN BURDA GAVURLARIN GÖTÜNÜ YALARKEN BEN VATANIMA MİLLETİME NASIL FAYDALI OLURUM ONUN HESABINI YAPIYORUM

SENİN GİBİ O.Ç.LARINI İSTEMİYORUZ
GEBER VE Bİ DAHA TÜRKİYE HAKKINDA KONUŞMA
Death to all Turks!:mad: :mad: :mad:

killer_queen
10-26-2006, 03:27 PM
Eğer vatanın bölünmez bütünlüğü bu kadar önemliyse neden yıllardır doğu yokmuş gibi davranılıyor? neden adamlara kendi dillerine konuşma, yayın yapma hakkı verilmeyerek yangına körükle gidiyorlar peki? Eğer bu vatan onları önemsemiyorsa onların da bu vatanı önemsemesini beklemek saçmalık olur değil mi index? Kaldı ki sevimli arkadaşların hala en ufak savunucularına bile kaltak diyebiliyorsa burada ciddi bir ayrım var demektir.

Sin Studly
10-26-2006, 03:28 PM
senin hakkında az bile yazdım kodumun evladı
30000 TüRK ü öldüren şerefisz bi ırkı savunma bana:mad:
ekmeği yediği yere kurşun atanı götünden skerler
hepsi gebersin PKK lı piçlerin az bile yaptık
SENİN BU ÜLKEYE KÜFREDİP SONRA BU ÜLKEYİ SEVİYORUM DEMEYE HAKKIN YOK!!!!
MÜSLANLIĞINDAN GURUR DUYUYOSAN İMZANI DEĞİŞTİR
GERİZEKALI

SEN BURDA GAVURLARIN GÖTÜNÜ YALARKEN BEN VATANIMA MİLLETİME NASIL FAYDALI OLURUM ONUN HESABINI YAPIYORUM

SENİN GİBİ O.Ç.LARINI İSTEMİYORUZ
GEBER VE Bİ DAHA TÜRKİYE HAKKINDA KONUŞMA

Death to all Turks.

HeadAroundU
10-26-2006, 03:28 PM
senin hakkında az bile yazdım kodumun evladı
30000 TüRK ü öldüren şerefisz bi ırkı savunma bana:mad:
ekmeği yediği yere kurşun atanı götünden skerler
hepsi gebersin PKK lı piçlerin az bile yaptık
SENİN BU ÜLKEYE KÜFREDİP SONRA BU ÜLKEYİ SEVİYORUM DEMEYE HAKKIN YOK!!!!
MÜSLANLIĞINDAN GURUR DUYUYOSAN İMZANI DEĞİŞTİR
GERİZEKALI

SEN BURDA GAVURLARIN GÖTÜNÜ YALARKEN BEN VATANIMA MİLLETİME NASIL FAYDALI OLURUM ONUN HESABINI YAPIYORUM

SENİN GİBİ O.Ç.LARINI İSTEMİYORUZ
GEBER VE Bİ DAHA TÜRKİYE HAKKINDA KONUŞMA
Death to all Turks!:mad: :mad:

HeadAroundU
10-26-2006, 03:28 PM
senin hakkında az bile yazdım kodumun evladı
30000 TüRK ü öldüren şerefisz bi ırkı savunma bana:mad:
ekmeği yediği yere kurşun atanı götünden skerler
hepsi gebersin PKK lı piçlerin az bile yaptık
SENİN BU ÜLKEYE KÜFREDİP SONRA BU ÜLKEYİ SEVİYORUM DEMEYE HAKKIN YOK!!!!
MÜSLANLIĞINDAN GURUR DUYUYOSAN İMZANI DEĞİŞTİR
GERİZEKALI

SEN BURDA GAVURLARIN GÖTÜNÜ YALARKEN BEN VATANIMA MİLLETİME NASIL FAYDALI OLURUM ONUN HESABINI YAPIYORUM

SENİN GİBİ O.Ç.LARINI İSTEMİYORUZ
GEBER VE Bİ DAHA TÜRKİYE HAKKINDA KONUŞMA
Death to all Turks!:mad:

killer_queen
10-26-2006, 03:30 PM
*sigh* I tried. I really tried. Are there any mail order husbands from europe?

FLeTch
10-26-2006, 03:30 PM
Eğer vatanın bölünmez bütünlüğü bu kadar önemliyse neden yıllardır doğu yokmuş gibi davranılıyor? neden adamlara kendi dillerine konuşma, yayın yapma hakkı verilmeyerek yangına körükle gidiyorlar peki? Eğer bu vatan onları önemsemiyorsa onların da bu vatanı önemsemesini beklemek saçmalık olur değil mi index? Kaldı ki sevimli arkadaşların hala en ufak savunucularına bile kaltak diyebiliyorsa burada ciddi bir ayrım var demektir.

DOĞUDA AYRIM FALAN YOK
HAYAT GÜZEL HERŞEY GÜZEL AMA BATAN BİŞEY VARDI BAZILARINA
NEVRUZ KUTLAMALARINDA APO POSTERLERİ:mad::mad::mad:
KOYABİLECEK KADAR ALÇAK VATAN HAİNLERİ!!!!
KALKIP BANA KÜRT IRKI ŞÖYLEDİR BÖYLEDİR DEME ONDAN SONRA
YABANCILARIN GÖTÜNÜ YALAMAK İÇİN BU KADAR UĞRAŞMANIN SANA HİÇ BİR FAYDASI YOK!

Sin Studly
10-26-2006, 03:30 PM
Why don't you marry a Kurd, like the rest of the Turkish women?

WildWolF
10-26-2006, 03:31 PM
We are waiting for kill us. But If you cant do it I WILL DO IT with our hands. Little boys go and play with your small dick. You are just an idiot. If you are a human I can say I'm not a HUMAN.

I again telling this. Just watch the videos and see the truth...:mad:

( Sin Bütün TÜRK ırkı birleşip ananı siksin anan anca oyle zevke gelir )

Sin Studly
10-26-2006, 03:32 PM
Death to all Turks.

indeX
10-26-2006, 03:33 PM
killer_queen. sen nerde yasıosun yurt dışımı Türkiye mi? doğuda yaşamadığın kesin. Türkiye'de ki yatırımların %45inin doğuya yapıldıgından haberin yok sanırım. bu çok büyük bir rakam bilmem farkındamısın.doğudaki her ailenın cocuk parası yiyecek parası gibi devlet tarafından sağlanan maddi yardımlardan yararlanıp bunların %70ini pkk ya yatırdıklarını biliyomusun? bazıları zorla bazıları isteyerek yapıyo bunu. sen sanmıyomusunki Trükiye Cumhuriyeti Devleti'nin istese doğuyu anında temizleyemez. neden yapmıyo sence?Çünki ordadakilerede İNSAN gözüyle bakıyolar.bakmasalardı yardım etmezlerdi inan bana. sen sadece aynanın bir tarafına bakıyosun,diğer yüzüne nedense kimse bakmak istemiyo.Bence biraz araştırma yapıp sağlam temellere dayanan yorumlar yapsan daha mantıklı olcak, daha inandırıcı olcak.Küğrt diye bir ırk yoktur bir kere dunya üzerinde.Kanlarının %50si Türk kanıdır onların.Yüzlerce yıl bizimle sessiz sakin yaşadıktan sonra neden 25 yıl önce cıkan Pkknın adamı oluverdıler birden. bi sorarmısın kendıne. neden Osmanlı refah içindeyken bir kere ayaklanmadılar yada TC kurulduktan 50-60 yıl sonra ayaklanacakları tuttu? bi düşün bence...

Sin Studly
10-26-2006, 03:36 PM
Your mother fucks Kurds in Ankara.

FLeTch
10-26-2006, 03:39 PM
Your mother fucks Kurds in Ankara.
GET AWAY BITCH

WildWolF
10-26-2006, 03:43 PM
killer_queen. sen nerde yasıosun yurt dışımı Türkiye mi? doğuda yaşamadığın kesin. Türkiye'de ki yatırımların %45inin doğuya yapıldıgından haberin yok sanırım. bu çok büyük bir rakam bilmem farkındamısın.doğudaki her ailenın cocuk parası yiyecek parası gibi devlet tarafından sağlanan maddi yardımlardan yararlanıp bunların %70ini pkk ya yatırdıklarını biliyomusun? bazıları zorla bazıları isteyerek yapıyo bunu. sen sanmıyomusunki Trükiye Cumhuriyeti Devleti'nin istese doğuyu anında temizleyemez. neden yapmıyo sence?Çünki ordadakilerede İNSAN gözüyle bakıyolar.bakmasalardı yardım etmezlerdi inan bana. sen sadece aynanın bir tarafına bakıyosun,diğer yüzüne nedense kimse bakmak istemiyo.Bence biraz araştırma yapıp sağlam temellere dayanan yorumlar yapsan daha mantıklı olcak, daha inandırıcı olcak.Küğrt diye bir ırk yoktur bir kere dunya üzerinde.Kanlarının %50si Türk kanıdır onların.Yüzlerce yıl bizimle sessiz sakin yaşadıktan sonra neden 25 yıl önce cıkan Pkknın adamı oluverdıler birden. bi sorarmısın kendıne. neden Osmanlı refah içindeyken bir kere ayaklanmadılar yada TC kurulduktan 50-60 yıl sonra ayaklanacakları tuttu? bi düşün bence...

Bu vatan toprakları öyle bi yerdeki yüz yıllarca rusu arap'ı ermenisi yunanı ingilizi fransızı burayı almak için elinden geleni yaptı. Ama Osmanlı öyle büyük bi güçtü ki kimse karşısına çıkıp savaşmayı göze alamadı. Ama ne yaptılar ingilizlerin klasik stratejisi içeri sız ülkeyi içerden ayaklanmalarla kardeşi kardeşe kırdırarak zayıflat ondan snr tepesine çök. Ama ne oldu Kurtuluş Savaşı diye şanlı bi savaştan yaralı ama boynu dik çıktık. Kimseye eğmedik boynumuzu bazı şerefsizler gibi. Ne ermeninin nede kürdün savunulcak hiç bir tarafı yok. Dun seninle dost olan ailenden saydıgın adam bugun seni sırtından vurdu. ermeniler bunu yapmadı mı ? yaptı! yunanı bunu yapmadı mı yaptı. Şimdi sıra kürtlerde onlarda pkk ile yaptı. Ama hiç biri bunun bizi yıkamayacagını düşünemedi. Yüzlerde yıl öncede vardık şimdide varız yarında var olucaz. Gücü yeten gelsin...

WildWolF
10-26-2006, 03:45 PM
Your mother fucks Kurds in Ankara.

Our mothers not Kurds not Armenians.
WE ARE TURKs. And Türkiye is our land.

WildWolF
10-26-2006, 04:21 PM
No, that's the JEWISH Holocaust. Y'know, when the Nazis killed only Jews. What's an Armenian?

His true face is here :) A few reply ago he says the Turks killed armenians but he doesnt know who is Armenian!!!

FLeTch
10-26-2006, 04:32 PM
Bu vatan toprakları öyle bi yerdeki yüz yıllarca rusu arap'ı ermenisi yunanı ingilizi fransızı burayı almak için elinden geleni yaptı. Ama Osmanlı öyle büyük bi güçtü ki kimse karşısına çıkıp savaşmayı göze alamadı. Ama ne yaptılar ingilizlerin klasik stratejisi içeri sız ülkeyi içerden ayaklanmalarla kardeşi kardeşe kırdırarak zayıflat ondan snr tepesine çök. Ama ne oldu Kurtuluş Savaşı diye şanlı bi savaştan yaralı ama boynu dik çıktık. Kimseye eğmedik boynumuzu bazı şerefsizler gibi. Ne ermeninin nede kürdün savunulcak hiç bir tarafı yok. Dun seninle dost olan ailenden saydıgın adam bugun seni sırtından vurdu. ermeniler bunu yapmadı mı ? yaptı! yunanı bunu yapmadı mı yaptı. Şimdi sıra kürtlerde onlarda pkk ile yaptı. Ama hiç biri bunun bizi yıkamayacagını düşünemedi. Yüzlerde yıl öncede vardık şimdide varız yarında var olucaz. Gücü yeten gelsin...

az bile yazmışın
böle vatan hainlerini:mad:

Mota Boy
10-26-2006, 05:14 PM
The Turks have murder in their blood - just look at the anger in Fletch and WildWolf's comments - they're killers and they'll kill again. Just like their great-grandparents butchered innocent Armenian women and children.

indeX
10-26-2006, 05:27 PM
The Turks are too much patriot and if you say something about their country and religion we get too fast angry!u dont have any idea about the history too Mat.People like you told this shit to the worLd. just make some researches and than talk about something.i am a turk too and i am really proud of that. we r the one of the most races in the world.we never kill someone who doesn't make something to our country.And they sold us in the worldwar but we still didnt kill them but we could. just make some researches about the Turkish history and than talk. dont come to me with ur empty ideas.You can only accouse someone with the proofs..

Mota Boy
10-26-2006, 05:39 PM
The Turks are too much patriot and if you say something about their country and religion we get too fast angry!Hey, you don't have to tell me that - I saw what you did to the Armenians.


*sigh* I tried. I really tried. Are there any mail order husbands from europe?
Not that I know of, but you can find European and American Turks (http://turkishpersonals.com/?affiliateID=freetry) online. Good luck with convincing them to head back to the motherland.

*peruses*

Damn, some of those Turkish chicks are hotter'n hell... the Hell that contains the souls of the Turks that massacred the Armenians, that is. Hmmm, I wonder if I could pass for half Turkish.

indeX
10-26-2006, 05:42 PM
Show me some proofs? and than i'll say that we kill them. even American historian told that a genocide didn't happen.Noone can proof it cause it didn't happen. learn the true story first and than blame a nation...

Mota Boy
10-26-2006, 05:50 PM
Googling "Armenian genocide proof" takes a fifth of a second and returns over 226,000 pages. You could've done it yourself instead of asking me.

http://www.armeniapedia.org/index.php?title=Armenian_Genocide

WildWolF
10-26-2006, 06:04 PM
Googling "Armenian genocide proof" takes a fifth of a second and returns over 226,000 pages. You could've done it yourself instead of asking me.

http://www.armeniapedia.org/index.php?title=Armenian_Genocide

Hey Mota Boy, Have you ever search "Turkish Genocide" ?

The Result,

"Results 1 - 10 of about 3,330,000 for Turkish Genocide. (0.52 seconds)"

How can you know who killed who? How old are you? 101 Years old? 120? did you see what happened? Can you explain how can you say it? Can you show any paper about it? (true things not fakes)

indeX
10-26-2006, 06:05 PM
ok.why didnt have the Armeins tell about that before?and do you think taht its a proof? something on the ARMENIEN encyclopedia. r there any proofs and the offical papiers?of course NO! what can u tell about the indian genocide? or the jews? nothing cause if there is something about us, it will be a world problem but if u do something nothing! i guess u r afraid from the turning back of ottoman. don't be afraid it wont turn back. but we r getting stronger and u r afraid of that. some of you have never been in here. u never met the people here. if we r so bad why do we have every year about 6 million tourist in turkey? nad its minimum. why do people in europa like turkey so much and the turkish people here? wht dont they think that we r killers and only u in internet? why does French people come to Turkey? come here and see ith with your own eyes. There r too many Armenian people in turkey who live here and who r richer than some Turks.If we were killers we had to eleminate tham too.we dont do it cause we r not. and as i see u r making researches try to find the genocide who the armenian did to turkish people..

Sin Studly
10-26-2006, 06:07 PM
You shouldn't have genocided the Armenians. Just say sorry.

indeX
10-26-2006, 06:15 PM
u can only say that. we dont apologize us for something we didnt do. and i guess nobody does that..

WildWolF
10-26-2006, 06:15 PM
You shouldn't have genocided the Armenians. Just say sorry.

We didnt do any genocide and why we have it to them?

You are soo clever! And we know you dont know about Armenians.

Sin Studly
10-26-2006, 06:23 PM
we dont apologize us for something we didnt do.

Good. Neither do I.

So then you can apologise for your people genociding the Armenians, and I can apologise for my people blowing up Ankara International Airport.

indeX
10-26-2006, 06:29 PM
why r u always tell us that we apologize ? do u know that what happens if Turkey apologize? of course not. a country can not apologize. and especially for something that u didnt do. it gilts for every country..u dont either have a country. the Kurds have one but pkk NO! the kurds have Turkey too. we r living together but believe me we wont give up just because some little bastrads like pkk.

Sin Studly
10-26-2006, 06:34 PM
I'm sorry for the bombing attack in Istanbul last week.

See, it's easy.

indeX
10-26-2006, 06:36 PM
fin yourself an offical country and than apologize :)

Sin Studly
10-26-2006, 06:41 PM
a country can not apologize


fin yourself an offical country and than apologize :)

Idiot.

On behalf of the Kurdish people, I apologise for the bombing attack on Istanbul last week.

Little_Miss_1565
10-26-2006, 07:53 PM
I love how WildWolf thinks that just because there's a video, that means it's irrefutable proof. You dumb fucker, video footage can be faked, manipulated, distorted, you name it. If some retarded internet video is your only "proof" that the Armenian genocide didn't happen, you've got serious problems.


Show me some proofs? and than i'll say that we kill them. even American historian told that a genocide didn't happen.Noone can proof it cause it didn't happen. learn the true story first and than blame a nation...

Wow, sounds like revisionism to me. And serious LOLZ at the "even American historian" bit. You'll find American historians who will tell you that all kinds of shit never happened--the holocaust of WW2, the Manchurian crisis, parachute pants, anything.

And of course there's no fucking "papers" about a genocide--the people in power go out of their way to fucking COVER UP the fact that they're trying to execute an entire race of people. What, you think they'd keep receipts of that shit?

Sin Studly
10-27-2006, 01:01 AM
Nevertheless, as late as 1994, Leyla Zana, the first female Kurdish representative in the Turkey's Parliament, was charged for separatist speech and sentenced to 15 years in prison. At her inauguration as an MP, she reportedly identified herself as a Kurd. Amnesty International reported "She took the oath of loyalty in Turkish, as required by law, then added in Kurdish, 'I shall struggle so that the Kurdish and Turkish peoples may live together in a democratic framework.' Parliament erupted with shouts of 'Separatist', 'Terrorist', and 'Arrest her'".[45]

QuietNightKing
10-27-2006, 01:23 AM
Arkadaslar, kufurle bir yere varilmaz bunlarin ne oldugu belli sadece kendi milletimizi küçük düşürür bu küfürler..

Bir kürtten daha çok nefret ettiğim birşey varsa, iki kürttür...

I am sure all these Ermenian advocate's watched only @ Television and dont know about real "history." All these suckers' nations did silly things in history (French to Algeria's - England to Morocco, USA to niggers, Germans to "ALL" Black haired people. etc...)

And now they come and talk about Ermanians and Kurds :) this is really funny because the biggest sucker in world is, USA and EU countries especially Germans and French people.

I know alot will swear to me but never minds you foolish :)
I love Turkey, I hate any people talking about "kurds are good people etc..." even its my father too.



Kurds killed lots of people in my country and please dont tell me, go there and see yourself. My uncle is a soldier and lived with him 6 months at Sirnak and Diyarbakir. They are all England agents (Kurds thats running PKK)


Believe me. We like all people under Turkish flag and NO OTHER group may have their own flag in MY COUNTRY's borders. (As kurds want) In need, i will kill anyone ask for it and will give all my life to my country.


We love Turkey.. NEVER use bad words about my country. This will show your level of intelligence foolish guys :)

indeX
10-27-2006, 02:33 AM
Little girL. If u dont have proofs, you can not blame a counrty too. right?

QuietNightKing
10-27-2006, 02:56 AM
Little girL. If u dont have proofs, you can not blame a counrty too. right?

girl?
Have some problems with your eyes or? :-)
This is why you cant see the real.


How you ask proof for nazi's shit? :-) Dont you believe it?

indeX
10-27-2006, 03:13 AM
QuietNight. First of aLL read pls what i wrote before.I am a Turk and i am proud of that.Nobody can proove a genocide. And without proofs nobody may talk about it..

Llamas
10-27-2006, 03:37 AM
I can't see how killer queen isn't more vocally embarassed of being from Turkey, based on this thread. :(

EDIT: system of a down is an armenian band, and they say in their songs that the turks did it. so duh, the turks killed the armenians, and system of a down knows all. you all fail.

QuietNightKing
10-27-2006, 03:47 AM
Nobody can proove a genocide. And without proofs nobody may talk about it..

Dostum alman nazilerin yaptıkları hakkında daha ne kanıtı istiyorsun ki? :)
Amerikadaki zencilerin ezilmesi,
Almanyada insanların sabun yapılması,
Fransanın Cezayir üzerindeki oyunları,
İngiliz sömürgeleri...

Anlamadığım şey, hangisine inanmıyorsunda kanıt istiyorsun..
Yanlış anlama lütfen :)

Pena
10-27-2006, 06:42 AM
Somebody can explain me because this hatred to the Turks exists?

I'd like to understand this...

WildWolF
10-27-2006, 08:34 AM
Nevertheless, as late as 1994, Leyla Zana, the first female Kurdish representative in the Turkey's Parliament, was charged for separatist speech and sentenced to 15 years in prison. At her inauguration as an MP, she reportedly identified herself as a Kurd. Amnesty International reported "She took the oath of loyalty in Turkish, as required by law, then added in Kurdish, 'I shall struggle so that the Kurdish and Turkish peoples may live together in a democratic framework.' Parliament erupted with shouts of 'Separatist', 'Terrorist', and 'Arrest her'".[45]

Leyla Zana? Do you know who is she? How can she came this point?

I just want to think about it. Can you do it?

Why any other kurdish people cant come this big point?

Why you cant be a men like her?

Can you understand it ? there is a big lie. Research about Leyla Zana. She isnt a Kurdish person. She comes from another land says I'm Kurdish I have rights. etc. etc. Do you know who donate her? Can you guess? I dont think so you cant see anything about truth...

JohnnyNemesis
10-27-2006, 08:42 AM
You killed Armenians.

the_GoDdEsS
10-27-2006, 08:51 AM
Leyla Zana? Do you know who is she? How can she came this point?

I just want to think about it. Can you do it?

Why any other kurdish people cant come this big point?

Why you cant be a men like her?

Can you understand it ? there is a big lie. Research about Leyla Zana. She isnt a Kurdish person. She comes from another land says I'm Kurdish I have rights. etc. etc. Do you know who donate her? Can you guess? I dont think so you cant see anything about truth...

Could you please explain that? You're being very vague and assume we know what you mean. But I don't think anybody understands what you are trying to say.

What about this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leyla_Zana)? It is quite interesting. She only wanted you people to live peacefully together. Is that bad?

Italia311
10-27-2006, 09:08 AM
The Turks killed the Armenians, you fucking scumbag piece of shit assholes.


Its a fact.

WildWolF
10-27-2006, 09:26 AM
Could you please explain that? You're being very vague and assume we know what you mean. But I don't think anybody understands what you are trying to say.

What about this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leyla_Zana)? It is quite interesting. She only wanted you people to live peacefully together. Is that bad?

It cant be bad. If you only want sever a country with looking peacefully , it is bad. She dont want it she only looking like it. Where do you know her? Are you in Turkey? I dont think so. You are in EU and your writer writes what she want. (she and her big bosses)

WildWolF
10-27-2006, 09:29 AM
You killed Armenians.

I fucked your mother... Shut that mount...

the_GoDdEsS
10-27-2006, 09:34 AM
It cant be bad. If you only want sever a country with looking peacefully , it is bad. She dont want it she only looking like it. Where do you know her? Are you in Turkey? I dont think so. You are in EU and your writer writes what she want. (she and her big bosses)

What writer are you talking about? And that link is from a reliable international source, not the EU.

0r4ng3
10-27-2006, 09:47 AM
aqaqaqaqaqaqaqaqaq
Clearly, we are on the same page.

H1T_That
10-27-2006, 11:20 AM
The intelligence and arguments of the people who voted Turks surpasses the people who voted armenians. I see 0 recognisable intelligent bodies in the armenian votes.

Death to the turks, end of story.

JohnnyNemesis
10-27-2006, 11:39 AM
I fucked your mother... Shut that mount...

I believe you're mistaken. My Mother isn't an Armenian, you fucking genocidal maniac.

Duskygrin
10-27-2006, 12:43 PM
You should see the film Mayrig.

Mayrig (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0102421/)

You'll shed croco tears, believe me.

Little_Miss_1565
10-27-2006, 01:57 PM
Somebody can explain me because this hatred to the Turks exists?

I'd like to understand this...

It's not hatred, it's utter disbelief that so many people would try to deny what is clearly a genocide.

Also the so-called Turks in this thread are making themselves look like morons, and no one likes a stupid person.

HeadAroundU
10-27-2006, 01:58 PM
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y33/HeadAroundU/Nasreddin.jpg
Turks are gay!:mad: :mad: :mad:

WildWolF
10-28-2006, 04:40 AM
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y33/HeadAroundU/Nasreddin.jpg
Turks are gay!:mad: :mad: :mad:
Turks are normal you are a gay. And your father, grandfather like suck dick like u. sonofthebitch

WildWolF
10-28-2006, 04:44 AM
It's not hatred, it's utter disbelief that so many people would try to deny what is clearly a genocide.

Also the so-called Turks in this thread are making themselves look like morons, and no one likes a stupid person.

you are funny sonofthebitch...
I can see your brain.

WildWolF
10-28-2006, 04:45 AM
The intelligence and arguments of the people who voted Turks surpasses the people who voted armenians. I see 0 recognisable intelligent bodies in the armenian votes.

Death to the turks, end of story.

Turks fuck your ass sonofthebitch...

0r4ng3
10-28-2006, 06:11 AM
lolz, way to be a troll account. Also, at what point did you stop making sense? I'm pretty sure there was some coherence a while ago.

JoY
10-28-2006, 06:26 AM
this has been going on for way too long. & I can see it started out pretty amusing & to some it probably still is, but my whole image of Turks has changed into something much more negative.

who votes for banning all Turks, except Gulsah? *raises hand*

Sinister
10-28-2006, 06:29 AM
*throws both hands in the air*

H1T_That
10-28-2006, 09:43 AM
Turks fuck your ass sonofthebitch...

so you're saying they are rapists?

greek
10-28-2006, 09:50 AM
hey u turks who want some proofs... check this out
http://www.offspring.com/forums/showthread.php?t=9411
i didn't have any problem with u (specially fletch who had his own opinion and i respected it) but u try to prove something that didn't happen... look who is rapist, slaughter and killer. (if u want i can make a video clip with lyrics saying that u.s.a. is ruled by greece. and also put a photo of me talking with bush. would u believe it?)

i vote for what joy said with both hands

Emanem
11-04-2006, 06:02 PM
Off Topic

I think you all should watch this one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ll8Qm8yDj-8
DAMN, that has got to be 1 of the funniest things I´ve ever seen!!

/Off Topic

OMG! The Turks killed the Armenians! You Bastards!

PS: Being Turkish = Being Gay

PS2: *raises both hands* YAY! Turks? Out with ya! OUT!

PS3: Dear WildWolF: Go Kill Yourself. Thank You.

Sin Studly
11-06-2006, 08:50 AM
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y33/HeadAroundU/Nasreddin.jpg
Turks are gay!:mad: :mad: :mad:

el_monkey
11-06-2006, 11:16 AM
they killed new born babies in Turkey
what is it???
FUCK PKK and YOUR FAMILY
WE HATE BABY KILLERS
DIE!!!


Come oooon guys, just watch this video. It's reaaallly funny.


to fletch: muslims kill their daughters because they had sex before marriage
but that's lowest level argumentation
you're just one of those fundamentalists who can't believe the truth if it's not comfortable for you; so you just make a twist (in the myth , lol)

you cannot build up an argument on some videos that were chosen by an islamic fundamentalist or so, that are hosted by youtube
I mean I can produce a video where a couple of jews kill a nazi and say the holocaust was started by them
I must admit that I didn't watch those clips...on one hand I didn't want to register@youtube , on the other hand I wasn't that curious to see some massakers


to killer queen: that man seems to be the indian mixture of michael jackson and dracula

el_monkey
11-06-2006, 11:31 AM
Hey Mota Boy, Have you ever search "Turkish Genocide" ?

The Result,

"Results 1 - 10 of about 3,330,000 for Turkish Genocide. (0.52 seconds)"

How can you know who killed who? How old are you? 101 Years old? 120? did you see what happened? Can you explain how can you say it? Can you show any paper about it? (true things not fakes)

he surely can...and so do I ....and so does everyone who can think properly :rolleyes:

sKratch
11-06-2006, 07:34 PM
Hey Mota Boy, Have you ever search "Turkish Genocide" ?

The Result,

"Results 1 - 10 of about 3,330,000 for Turkish Genocide. (0.52 seconds)"

How can you know who killed who? How old are you? 101 Years old? 120? did you see what happened? Can you explain how can you say it? Can you show any paper about it? (true things not fakes)

lolz but look at what hits they are:
Top 5 hits include the phrases:
"Turkish Genocide of Armenians"
"Did you know that the Turkish Government, the perpetrator, of this Armenian Genocide..."
"The ANI website features comprehensive documentation of the Turkish genocide against the Armenian people, including historic documents, ..."
"The Armenian Genocide of 1915 resulted in 1.5 million deaths at the hand of the Ottoman Turkish government. Today, the Turkish goverment denies this ..."
"enocide and massacre information available here for your review. ... 20TH CENTURY GENOCIDES. Armenian Genocide ... Turkish T-shirt ..."

Looks like you got owned. When you search for Turkish Genocide it still finds the Armenian Genocide.

FLeTch
11-08-2006, 05:28 PM
I advise all these straight minded people to read
Prof. Justin Mc Carthy who is an expert about the Ottoman History.
because when science talks idiots shut up.
He clearly prooved his ideas about the genocide lie

everytime i said that
if there comes a raitonal researcher and prooves that Armenians killed by a genocide i can accept it it won't change anything
however Armenian and French researchers invited to Turkey to research Armenian issue but they didn't even replied us.Why if they are are right why do they didn't come.any logical answers???

JohnnyNemesis
11-08-2006, 05:55 PM
any logical answers???[/B]

They're probably scared you'll pull another genocide, you fucking maniac.

HornyPope
11-08-2006, 08:02 PM
Man these Turks really want people to believe their side of history, huh? Why bother, isn't it easier to just accuse the Whitey of having perpetrated the same, of worse proportions?

Sin Studly
11-08-2006, 10:22 PM
Absolutely. Which is further proof that all Turks are uneducated stupid mudbloods.

If they actually had universities, they'd have dreadlocked commie ashamed-of-their-own-people hackeysack faggots too.

Tigger Army
11-08-2006, 11:06 PM
everytime i said that
if there comes a raitonal researcher and prooves that Armenians killed by a genocide i can accept it it won't change anything
however Armenian and French researchers invited to Turkey to research Armenian issue but they didn't even replied us.Why if they are are right why do they didn't come.any logical answers???

the question has already been answered by the_goddess AND sin studly earlier in one of these topics. Ofcourse you choose not to remember that

Not Ozymandias
11-09-2006, 12:50 PM
Jesus, so many Turks are completely fucked in the head. Fuck, even Americans admit the fucked up shit we've done, even if we aren't particularly sorry about it.

FLeTch
11-09-2006, 02:41 PM
the question has already been answered by the_goddess AND sin studly earlier in one of these topics. Ofcourse you choose not to remember that

Armenian fakes are fake nothing much
where are real historical proofs???



Man these Turks really want people to believe their side of history, huh? Why bother, isn't it easier to just accuse the Whitey of having perpetrated the same, of worse proportions?

i don't want to believe which is made up by the side of yours
that is why i am on my side
Turkish history is full of prides justice and equality
not as bloody like yours

killing native people when America explored,what was that???
wasn't it suicide???

http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/History/Pestilence_AH.html

only objective and researcher minds can find the reality.not liars with the make-up brains

Tigger Army
11-09-2006, 11:10 PM
Turkish history NOT bloody? Now that's a laugh.

the_GoDdEsS
11-10-2006, 01:33 AM
The Turkish wars certainly were not bloody and not full of rape and stealing women. Noooo.

FLeTch
11-10-2006, 04:12 PM
The Turkish wars certainly were not bloody and not full of rape and stealing women. Noooo.

get piss off miss moderator
you can't proove ehat you say
so let's insult them they are murders point of view doesn't make any sense!!!

i wanna know what your fucked country have as a history
nothing???
how pathetic

what a pefect idiot for having a authority in a forum

ninthlayer
11-10-2006, 04:33 PM
I like how fletch assumes that everyone is American.

ps: death to all turks

Sin Studly
11-10-2006, 10:20 PM
i wanna know what your fucked country have as a history

The Great Moravian Empire and the Habsberg Empire, which incidently, killed lots of Turks. They also joined the Axis, just to kill Turks.

the_GoDdEsS
11-10-2006, 10:41 PM
get piss off miss moderator
you can't proove ehat you say
so let's insult them they are murders point of view doesn't make any sense!!!

i wanna know what your fucked country have as a history
nothing???
how pathetic

what a pefect idiot for having a authority in a forum


Stop insulting me. I did not insult you in the first place. You annoying little shit. All over Europe it is known that Turks killed in bloody wars and raped women. All over Europe it is known that women are being kidnapped and dragged into Turkey brothels to get beaten and take 15 men a day because your men are disgusting pigs. I'd rather have no history than a shitty one like that.

el_monkey
11-11-2006, 05:35 AM
this thread is annoying

fact: those fundamentalists will never stop arguing and that's why it stops becoming funny to show them how weak their arguments are and how stupid they act;
there's no fun in dissing s.o.if that one never starts to cry :(

Sin Studly
11-11-2006, 05:58 AM
You're a nazi scumbag, you fucking nazi. Go gas more Jews.

el_monkey
11-13-2006, 07:43 AM
You're a nazi scumbag, you fucking nazi. Go gas more Jews.

lol @ that

Paint_It_Black
11-13-2006, 09:47 AM
lol @ that

You find that funny, you fucking nazi scum?

Llamas
11-13-2006, 09:52 AM
Honestly, nazis are pretty funny...

EDIT: especially neo nazis.

Paint_It_Black
11-13-2006, 09:54 AM
Nazis that are obsessed with the Matrix?

Llamas
11-13-2006, 10:05 AM
I've only seen matrix once and I hated it... so... is neo a character?

sKratch
11-13-2006, 10:22 AM
I still think it's funny that searching for "turkish genocide" returns hits about the armenian genocide :o

kutayy
11-19-2006, 09:42 AM
gebersin .......... kürtler onca türk öldü hesap soran yok onlar 3 gün aç kalmışlar hemen haber . varya index sen kesin türk casusun ben bunu anladım.kürdistanı oluşturmaya çalışan teyyare uç lan.oğlum seni bir bilsem varya o zaman kuzey kutbuna uçarsın onun bunun çocuğu kimsin lan sen unutma her kimsen


TÜRKE KEFEN BİÇENİN ÖLÜMÜ KORKUNÇ OLUR!!!!!!!!!!

şimdi ............ seni forum sitesinde bulayım türk yabancı fark etmez haber ederim seni oraya bulurum da bulurum tc. kimlik no ya kadar tabi sana t.c kimlik no bile dana yavrusunun kıçı

kutayy
11-19-2006, 10:02 AM
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Tigger Army
11-19-2006, 11:42 AM
you know, if you'd write in a language that's not made up by subhumans other people might actually read your post and be able to (dis)agree with it. Ofcourse I can also from now on type in dutch, but I doubt it'll have any useful result

mauhdib
11-20-2006, 02:04 PM
armenian genocide is a lie

dont let this terorists spread this lie to the rest of the world

they were living happly under ottoman empire and they started to kill turks and now they are claiming that turks killed them

you dont have to go far in history in 1970s armenian terorists did terrorist activities in turkey.

http://www.tallarmeniantale.com/art-Terrorists.htm

now in turkey there are lots of armenians living
they have churchs and they live best places of the country they are generally wealth families.

but they are claiming we commited a gonocide
i cant understand this if we commited a gonicide how are they able to living in turkey and they have a wealthy life

and there is a second thing I cant understand

turkish goverment suggested armenian goverments to establish a commity to make a resourche about armenian genocide but the armanian goverment rejected it. WHY

because they are afraid of world realizes their lie!1!!!

0r4ng3
11-20-2006, 02:12 PM
but they are claiming we commited a gonocide
i cant understand this if we commited a gonicide how are they able to living in turkey and they have a wealthy life
All right, first of all, it's "genocide".

Second of all, genocide doesn't mean that the entire race was wiped out, because I think that's what you're getting at. I mean, the Holocaust was a genocide, and there are still Jews around today, in lots of places around the world.

Last of all, did you use a "!1!!" unironically?

sKratch
11-21-2006, 08:22 AM
now in turkey there are lots of armenians living
they have churchs and they live best places of the country they are generally wealth families.

but they are claiming we commited a gonocide
i cant understand this if we commited a gonicide how are they able to living in turkey and they have a wealthy life

I guess there were no Jews around to do it so the Armenians had to...

FuckingHardcoreBitch
12-04-2006, 09:10 AM
c'mon turks slaughtered armenians deal with it.

Most countries slaughtered tons of people.
USA, France, Germany, etc etc…and these are developped countries, so imagine "in-developpement" countries.

People are really shit.

Sin Studly
12-04-2006, 02:41 PM
USA, France, Germany, etc etc…and these are developped countries, so imagine "in-developpement" countries.

You mean "animal countries"?

adombomb222
12-08-2006, 06:50 PM
Some videos for the inveigled EN ppl.

The Turkish Genocide
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPPj5wmN-JA

Are your eyes still close? Watch this,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B7I5RJjIynY

Can you think? Lets think a little bit about it,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfLk5R7Z6vs

isnt it enough ? watch it,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7bLOKmK61oE

Please be honest. Who is the killer?


I'm jumping in on 123 post, so I don’t know what has or hasn't been talked about, so don't get pissed if I bring up something that you've already talked about.

WildWolf are you stupid? What kind of propagandist shit is this? The Armenian people were killed in mass numbers and tortured. This genocide opened up the gate to all other large executions by governments all over the world; Germany (The Holocaust), Sudan, Iraq and Darfur. And on the contrary of The Holocaust, the Armenian genocide is sometime called The Armenian Holocaust. You’re telling me (by the first video) that the Armenians are the killers. Goddamn you’re stupid.

http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l248/Adombomb222/ArmenianGenocide.gif

The armenians would not have death camps inside Turkey. And the wouldn't march into their enemys land to kill them.

http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l248/Adombomb222/genocide2.jpg
http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l248/Adombomb222/genocide1.jpg

adombomb222
12-08-2006, 09:26 PM
Um, those videos offer no proof. At all. They just show pictures, that could be of either Turks or Armenians, or anyone really, and tell us they're pictures of Turks who were killed by Armenians. Then they basically finger point and call armenians Liars and Demonds. And thats it. Literally, thats the entire video. Its immature, has poor grammar, and offers no actual proof of anything it says.

Did you produce it, Wildwolf?

And whats worse, is that you havent offered much(if anything) to back it up with, other than insulting anyone who disagrees with you. Now I don't believe everything I read, but if you're going to tell us we're all blind to the truth, stupid, or lying; atleast show me an argument.

Yes, give us proof that the Armenians killed, no conducted the mass murder of thousands of Turks. And I don’t mean backlash counter, gorilla warfare or civil/revolution. I’m not saying that the Armenians did not kill Turks, but if they had it would have be because of the executions of thousands of their own kind and this revolt wouldn’t be considered genocide. Understand genocide is a rarely use word in the world, it is use to only describe an act that has been done and is currently in process. Besides very few countries have admitted that they have conducted genocide, when Saddam Hussein was tried for his crimes in Iraq, our government (along with the UN) did not recognize raids and experiments on villages in his own country as genocide, rather they called it “War Crime.” And now understand that Turkey has yet to officially declare their acts as genocide, when the entire world damn well knows it was. You think something so well know is entirely false; the Turks were mass murdered, bullshit.

Don’t be so naïve, you’re just bullshiting yourself, however, I bet it was your parents that feed you this propaganda wasn’t it? You have no idea what so ever about what you are talking about, you need to take the time to understand what the hell you are talking about and know what you actually think about the subject rather then object to ridicule. You say the Armenians conducted a genocide on the Turks when really it was switched around, you say that because you believe that you forefather were at falt, yet you have no ground to justify this accusation. (That is speculation on my part, but it probably the truth.)

Give me compelling, hard and cited evidence (that’s legitimate) and bring it to the table, then maybe we’d reconsider our conviction. But right now you have a few propagandist videos and statements that have yet to be backed up.

adombomb222
12-11-2006, 07:25 PM
Yes, I think you did. Good job.

FLeTch
12-21-2006, 03:03 AM
armenian genocide is a lie

dont let this terorists spread this lie to the rest of the world

they were living happly under ottoman empire and they started to kill turks and now they are claiming that turks killed them

you dont have to go far in history in 1970s armenian terorists did terrorist activities in turkey.

http://www.tallarmeniantale.com/art-Terrorists.htm

now in turkey there are lots of armenians living
they have churchs and they live best places of the country they are generally wealth families.

but they are claiming we commited a gonocide
i cant understand this if we commited a gonicide how are they able to living in turkey and they have a wealthy life

and there is a second thing I cant understand

turkish goverment suggested armenian goverments to establish a commity to make a resourche about armenian genocide but the armanian goverment rejected it. WHY

because they are afraid of world realizes their lie!1!!!

thank you
some idiots can not understand this fact


"Turkish goverment suggested armenian goverments to establish a commity to make a resourche about armenian genocide but the armanian goverment rejected it. WHY "


yes i am ASKING TO THE ALL OF THIS IDIOTS WHY DO THEY REJECT OUR INVITIATION????WHY????

good answer: "because they are afraid of world realizes their lie"

FLeTch
12-21-2006, 03:17 AM
Yes, give us proof that the Armenians killed, no conducted the mass murder of thousands of Turks. And I don’t mean backlash counter, gorilla warfare or civil/revolution. I’m not saying that the Armenians did not kill Turks, but if they had it would have be because of the executions of thousands of their own kind and this revolt wouldn’t be considered genocide. Understand genocide is a rarely use word in the world, it is use to only describe an act that has been done and is currently in process. Besides very few countries have admitted that they have conducted genocide, when Saddam Hussein was tried for his crimes in Iraq, our government (along with the UN) did not recognize raids and experiments on villages in his own country as genocide, rather they called it “War Crime.” And now understand that Turkey has yet to officially declare their acts as genocide, when the entire world damn well knows it was. You think something so well know is entirely false; the Turks were mass murdered, bullshit.

Don’t be so naïve, you’re just bullshiting yourself, however, I bet it was your parents that feed you this propaganda wasn’t it? You have no idea what so ever about what you are talking about, you need to take the time to understand what the hell you are talking about and know what you actually think about the subject rather then object to ridicule. You say the Armenians conducted a genocide on the Turks when really it was switched around, you say that because you believe that you forefather were at falt, yet you have no ground to justify this accusation. (That is speculation on my part, but it probably the truth.)

Give me compelling, hard and cited evidence (that’s legitimate) and bring it to the table, then maybe we’d reconsider our conviction. But right now you have a few propagandist videos and statements that have yet to be backed up.


how could the entire world knows it??? huh
thanks to the armenian diaspora for fucking ppl's minds with lies!!!
we said come and research to Armenians???
did anyone came?
a big NO


WHAT IS THE REALITY???


TURKEY WILL NEVER ACCEPT IT
BECAUSE WE DIDN'T DO ANYTHING

i think it is some illiterate ppl go on believing this lie

Prof. Dr. Stanford Shaw explained reality about this situation
and his house bombed in 1979 by sonofabitches.

all these bullshit done to us but we never complained till now

terrorist activities of Armenians which caused death of more than 100 Turkish bureaucrat


so i have right to say fuck these brains

be obejctive

what did US do to the Red Indian's???(they killed millions of them)
what happened at 6 August 1945 at Hiroshima???(thousands died)

WHERE IS THE JUSTICE!!!

SaiKYoU
12-21-2006, 03:52 AM
why do you post in bold??

Sin Studly
12-21-2006, 06:04 AM
yes i am ASKING TO THE ALL OF THIS IDIOTS WHY DO THEY REJECT OUR INVITIATION????WHY????

good answer: "because they are afraid of world realizes their lie"

Better answer ; "because they already researched it comprehensively before the Turks tampered with the evidence"

Little_Miss_1565
12-21-2006, 06:19 AM
what did US do to the Red Indian's???(they killed millions of them)
what happened at 6 August 1945 at Hiroshima???(thousands died)

WHERE IS THE JUSTICE!!![/B]

Um, the difference is that the US openly admits that those actions were wrong. When they dropped the Bomb, it had the effect they wanted of completely ending WWII, probably saving more lives than it ended--but the US had no idea about nuclear radiation, and the thousands of people killed by the radiation was a terrible mistake. The US tries (and often fails) to do right by the Native Americans, but in this case, I think it's the thought that counts because the Turkish people on this board love railing about how the genocide never happened, and then try to excuse the murder of thousands of people by saying other people did it too. Hypocrites.

RickyCrack
12-21-2006, 11:45 AM
lol, Big Bold Letters1!!!!!!!!!!!!

lilian [darkest star]
12-21-2006, 06:36 PM
The Turks killed the Armenians, you fucking scumbag piece of shit assholes.

Ahhh yea, i agree

Bloody skinheads, next what, the holocaust never happened

ignorance is bliss i assume

WebDudette
12-21-2006, 06:59 PM
Holocaust? Never happened.

Lodat225
12-21-2006, 07:15 PM
I watched all that.

Obviously, europe did it.

adombomb222
12-21-2006, 07:22 PM
yes i am ASKING TO THE ALL OF THIS IDIOTS WHY DO THEY REJECT OUR INVITIATION????WHY????

good answer: "because they are afraid of world realizes their lie"

Your English is relentless. And would this mean that the Turkish government is admitting the genocide? The Armenians will not comply because they have done nothing wrong.




how could the entire world knows it??? huh
thanks to the armenian diaspora for fucking ppl's minds with lies!!!
we said come and research to Armenians???
did anyone came?
a big NO


WHAT IS THE REALITY???


TURKEY WILL NEVER ACCEPT IT
BECAUSE WE DIDN'T DO ANYTHING

i think it is some illiterate ppl go on believing this lie

Prof. Dr. Stanford Shaw explained reality about this situation
and his house bombed in 1979 by sonofabitches.

all these bullshit done to us but we never complained till now

terrorist activities of Armenians which caused death of more than 100 Turkish bureaucrat


so i have right to say fuck these brains

be obejctive

what did US do to the Red Indian's???(they killed millions of them)
what happened at 6 August 1945 at Hiroshima???(thousands died)

WHERE IS THE JUSTICE!!!



What's the philosophy of displaced minds? Apparently yours is hieratical. The reality is that the entire world knows about the Armenian genocide, because it was the first genocide of the 20th century. And just like Hitler’s holocaust, the Turks destroyed as much evidence as they could. That is the only reason Turkey has not been forced to admit it. The Nazis also covered up, but the Allied army stumbled upon some of the death camps. You think that a few videos and some information that isn’t cited or reliable, is good enough to convince people otherwise? You, and every other Turk who has post in here saying their people didn’t do any thing, you are all retarded and you’ll all burn in Hell. For the sake of reality, get a grip and stop bullshiting yourselves.

The U.S. has admit everything they have done in Japan, we could not comprehend the level of destruction that our nuclear weapons were capable of, and there was no way to know about nuclear reiteration. And we had apologized for that on numerous occasions. And we have apologized for the way we treated the natives in America.

Do you even know what genocide is? Do you believe that is just killing a whole bunch of people of the same race? Yes, the Armenians killed Turks, but that is because they were killing them. You seriously believe that if you saw someone start killing your people that you wouldn't stab back? Genocide is the planed execution of an ethic group on a large scale. Like for instance, Iraq, Saddam did weapon tests on villages in southern Iraq. Killing hundreds of people, entire villages were brought to the ground.

adombomb222
12-26-2006, 06:32 PM
C'mon bro, back it up. Fo real, put up or shut up.

Me or them?

adombomb222
12-26-2006, 06:58 PM
Though you were using bro as in dude or buddy or something, I don't know.

offspringtr
01-18-2007, 03:15 AM
fuck is armenian armenian killing azarbaycan turkey. armenia fuck fuck to have chat easy fuck you armenia

Little_Miss_1565
01-18-2007, 04:50 AM
"Give me compelling, hard and cited evidence (that’s legitimate) and bring it to the table, then maybe we’d reconsider our conviction. But right now you have a few propagandist videos and statements that have yet to be backed up."

Is it never gonna happen?
WildWolF?
FLeTch?
mauhdib?


fuck is armenian armenian killing azarbaycan turkey. armenia fuck fuck to have chat easy fuck you armenia

Shit, TTIG, that's the most compelling evidence I've seen. I think I'm converted!

Sin Studly
01-18-2007, 05:21 AM
Does azarbaycan = azerbaijan?

adombomb222
01-18-2007, 05:48 AM
fuck is armenian armenian killing azarbaycan turkey. armenia fuck fuck to have chat easy fuck you armenia

Clearly all you have are your words.


By the way, you're 12, you don't know what the fuck you are talking about, so shut the hell up.

Whiplash
01-18-2007, 06:43 AM
Not this crap again. How long has this been going on. Way to fucking long if you ask me.
The turks are a bunch of pussy motherfuckers who commited geniocide.

Splintergirl
01-18-2007, 09:01 AM
I hate turks
but I´m not a nazi!!!!!!!

HeadAroundU
01-18-2007, 10:29 AM
/\ All I see under your location is The Third Reich.

the_GoDdEsS
01-18-2007, 10:33 AM
I hate turks
but I´m not a nazi!!!!!!!

Wow, you fucking racist.

Offspring-Junkie
01-18-2007, 10:46 AM
A killer is a person who gunned someone down. Not any person of any ethnic origin.

0r4ng3
01-18-2007, 10:52 AM
So if I use a knife, I'm not a killer? Score!

Whiplash
01-18-2007, 10:53 AM
A killer is a person who gunned someone down. Not any person of any ethnic origin.



Wow and you made that up all by yourself?

adombomb222
01-18-2007, 07:36 PM
A killer is a person who gunned someone down. Not any person of any ethnic origin.



And genocide is when a established army attacks cities, villages or refugee camps. Guns down, stabs, burns and/or rapes the citizens of that village. Sometimes, bombs or gas agents are used to kill everyone, such did Saddam did in northern Iraq on the Kurdish people, he used Mustard and nerve agents after bombarding the villages forcing all the people into bomb shelters trapping them when the agents were dropped damning them all. Genocide is when a government exterminates an ethnic group.

Sin Studly
01-18-2007, 07:47 PM
Most genocides are actually obtained by confiscating everyone's property and telling them to walk to the next country. Certain death for them, and plausabile deniability for the government.

adombomb222
01-18-2007, 07:50 PM
But usually conducted by governments, I added the established army thing and refugee camps because of the current conflicts in Dafur and borderline Chad (or something).

Sin Studly
01-19-2007, 01:59 AM
Saddam shoulda used fusariem, that shit has a kick to it.

offspringtr
01-19-2007, 02:57 AM
sory exuse me swear word
please exuse me myself to hold sory

Whiplash
01-19-2007, 03:02 AM
huh?!

________

mrconeman
01-19-2007, 11:28 AM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/6279241.stm

The Turks claim another life.

zshabe
01-22-2007, 04:51 AM
I do not believe armenians claims are true. I have reasons for that.

1. Armenians claim the genocide(!) took place in 1915 ??? What was happening in 1915 in Turkey ?? Firstly the country was at WW1 !! And How many of you know the Canakkale, the biggest war of WW1 ?? IT WAS IN 1915 ,250.000 Turks and 250.000 French + English + New Zealander had died!! And Canakkale was at the west coast of Turkey. Armenians claim genocide at the same time on the east side of Turkey!! How is it possible ? Do you understand the meaning of 250.000 Turkish citizen ?? The population of Turkey in 1934 was 10 million!!!! And in that war it self 250.000 of them died in 1915!!

2. Do you know how Greeks and Bulgarians got their freedom in 1800s ??? They naturally wait Ottomans getting weaker. They wait for the most weaker time and allied with English and French armies. And they provoked and killed many Turks, Turks killed many but finally they declared their independence with the help of English and French army. In order to get their freedom they have to kill many Turks, and they did. It is a rule and they did it, I understand it. So Armenians naturally tried to do the same thing. They allied with Russia. But in 1915 Turkish armies and Civilians stopped and sinked French and English navy. And they couldn't help Russia which had many problems inside. Armenians did'nt believe that Turks can stop the French And English alliance and attacked Turkish villages on the east of Turkey . (It was easier when the most of them was at the west coast in canakkale) But when the Turkish troops had a victory over English and French armies, Russia had a revolution and couldn't give the support that they promised to armenians. (Armenians helped russia in the mid 1800's against Ottomans which is proved by all historicians and Russia promised to pay back them in their indepence trial just like Greeks, Bulgarians and other balkan countries.) After that Armenians couldn't be successful without help and many of them died.

3. Armenians claim 1 million loss!!! :-) :-) Funniest thing!! They never reached 1 million in Turkey. Currently their total population on the world is around 3 million. In 1915 Turkey's population was around 6 million!!!! 6 million and you re saying 1 million of them ,even more is armenian right ??? Hahaha!! Ridicolous!!! 1 milliion armenian, 2 million arab, 2 million balkanian, 2 million kurd, Turks ??? Hahaha!! Please.....

4. Why do armenians refuse to open national archieves correspondingly?? Why do they refused it ?? Their Balls not enough!!

5. Why do they refused American and German historicans reports that are all saying "There is no Genocide ??"

6. Turks have the strongest era between 1400-1700!! If they have an intention to finish armenians, why don't they do it between these ages ?? You claim they did it in their weakest time in WW1 , in 1915 ?? While country trying to survive, they decided to genocide!!!!! Woooowww what a great idea ?? It is so logical , right ?? :)

Turks never had the intention of genocide , or asimilating any of them. They used to conquer the places, give that place's management to a people that they trust and collecting the tax . That was the way they manage the economy. While doing it they let minority free in their religion, language etc. That is why they remain alive for 600 years. If they made a pressure it was impossible.

Look at middle east today!! While those lands remain under the control of ottomans for almost 500 years, 3 big religions lived together without any war or problem.

Look at Turkish national teams today. Do you see any black man ? Any north african like Zidane , Thuram, etc. ?? Look at English and French national teams!! They occupied these places for 3-4 years , instead of 400-500 years, and they all asimilated, made them their slaves. We were on those lands not 3-4 years, but 400-500 years, Did you see any Zinedine Zidane, Thiery Henry, Thuram in our national teams?? If we have a policy of slavery, asimilation was it possible ??? Ottomans, Turks never had an asimilation or a slavery policy but most of the europeans did and you can easily see it if you look at their national teams!!

Just think, a litlle logic would be enough to understand it!!

Sin Studly
01-22-2007, 05:06 AM
Turkish nigger scum.

Splintergirl
01-22-2007, 05:51 AM
Wow, you fucking racist.

shut up OLLE

Sin Studly
01-22-2007, 05:58 AM
Nazi pig, go gas some more Jews, Nazi.

adombomb222
01-22-2007, 06:50 AM
I do not believe Armenians claims are true. I have reasons for that.


This is speculation, no truth. You plead a very vague case, we asked for, compelling, hard and cited evidence (that’s legitimate). Not some stupid ass speculation, from a God damned propagandists mouth. so shut the Hell up and try again later when you have good evidence.

Whiplash
01-22-2007, 06:58 AM
Turkish nigger scum.

That new guy may be on to something. Don't get me wrong i'm not changing my standpoint on this. But he is the first one to come up good arguments.

adombomb222
01-22-2007, 07:01 AM
3. Armenians claim 1 million loss!!! :-) :-) Funniest thing!! They never reached 1 million in Turkey. Currently their total population on the world is around 3 million. In 1915 Turkey's population was around 6 million!!!! 6 million and you re saying 1 million of them ,even more is armenian right ??? Hahaha!! Ridicolous!!! 1 milliion armenian, 2 million arab, 2 million balkanian, 2 million kurd, Turks ??? Hahaha!! Please.....

6. Turks have the strongest era between 1400-1700!! If they have an intention to finish armenians, why don't they do it between these ages ?? You claim they did it in their weakest time in WW1 , in 1915 ?? While country trying to survive, they decided to genocide!!!!! Woooowww what a great idea ?? It is so logical , right ?? :)

Just think, a litlle logic would be enough to understand it!!

3. Ok shit head, understand that the Turks marched into Armenia, then marched the Armenians all across Armenia, Turkey and all through out the dessert. Just because there are 1 million Armenians in Turkey doesn't mean there not going to find some more in their own country.

6. The means to commit genocide between those dates would be near impossible. Swords don't have the means to kill thousands of people unlike, in and during the Would War One era guns were being mass produced and were easy to get to.

Most of your logic doesn't make sense, you don't make a strong case.

By the way, learn some fucking English.

adombomb222
01-22-2007, 07:15 AM
Look at middle east today!! While those lands remain under the control of ottomans for almost 500 years, 3 big religions lived together without any war or problem.


You're a fucking dumbass, Israel is the center of most religious wars. In fact it is because the three religions claim Jerusalem as their mother land.

zshabe
01-22-2007, 07:58 AM
You're a fucking dumbass, Israel is the center of most religious wars. In fact it is because the three religions claim Jerusalem as their mother land.

İt is very easy to swear. Anyone can do it. Before criticizing my English, you should learn how to talk first.

While Ottomans were there , they were living in peace. Thatis the only thing I tried to mention!!

I didn't get a serious reply till now for my previous long comments.

I gave an example how Greeks and Bulgarians declared their indepence. I tried to explain how armenians tried to copy them. I explained how many people were living in Turkey in 1915 , while armenians claiming 1 million loss!! Go and read your history books to see how many Turk is dead in 1915 in Canakkale !! Go and look at your world maps to see where is Canakkale and where is the east part of Turkey which the armenians claimed they are slaughtered !!!!

And why don't armenians refuse to open their national archieves while Turkish side is ready to make it!!

Most of the things I have said is not in history books. Mostly Logical things to make you understand better!!

So if you have an explanation, do it whitout swearing or insulting!!

Whiplash
01-22-2007, 11:31 AM
Now your trying to make the ottomans look like some über-civilization.

Sin Studly
01-22-2007, 11:44 AM
There's more compelling arguments against the Nazi Holocaust. I'd respond to this guys claims, but debate with Turks is worthless.

Whiplash
01-22-2007, 11:53 AM
There is no arguing with them, everything they say is true and everything else is just false. At least thats what they beleave.

zshabe
01-22-2007, 12:17 PM
Now your trying to make the ottomans look like some über-civilization.

haha of course not. We are humans, have same egos, same selfishness, mistakes, etc.

But if someone had a serious claim like genocide , they should have serious clues and logic. Ottomans were existed bw 1299-1918. Since the beginning armenians were under ottomans control. And ottomans decided to genocide after 616 years while they are trying to survive in the WW1 !!! Is it logical ??

If you look at the examples of genocide, it is not possible to see a single example that is done by a country which is ocuppied seriously as ottomans in 1915!! Because it is out of nature!!

Whiplash
01-22-2007, 12:26 PM
haha of course not. We are humans, have same egos, same selfishness, mistakes, etc.

But if someone had a serious claim like genocide , they should have serious clues and logic. Ottomans were existed bw 1299-1918. Since the beginning armenians were under ottomans control. And ottomans decided to genocide after 616 years while they are trying to survive in the WW1 !!! Is it logical ??

If you look at the examples of genocide, it is not possible to see a single example that is done by a country which is ocuppied seriously as ottomans in 1915!! Because it is out of nature!!

What are you saying? That genocide is out of the nature of the ottomans?
Any country can preform genocide on an other country and i'm sure there are hundrets of examples that never made the history books.

And as for the ottomans: They were a bunch of assholes no better then the hordes of Genghis Khan. they moved through Europe like a band of thiefs taking everything they could get there sandnigger hands on.
They are not as perfect as you try to make them sound, not even close.

zshabe
01-22-2007, 12:39 PM
3. Ok shit head, understand that the Turks marched into Armenia, then marched the Armenians all across Armenia, Turkey and all through out the dessert. Just because there are 1 million Armenians in Turkey doesn't mean there not going to find some more in their own country.

6. The means to commit genocide between those dates would be near impossible. Swords don't have the means to kill thousands of people unlike, in and during the Would War One era guns were being mass produced and were easy to get to.

Most of your logic doesn't make sense, you don't make a strong case.

By the way, learn some fucking English.

Hahahaha where is armenia in 1915 ??

The means to commit genocide between those dates with sword is impossible?? Hahahahaha hahahaha!! Hohohohhooooo you re funny!! Ok than have a guess, Ottoman Sultan Selim conquered Egypt after a very very big war . They just had swords. How many Egypt soldiers he slaughtered with these swords ??

Have a guess!!

Ok it is 300.000 !!!!!!

What do you know about Fatih Mehmet's war against Iran with Akkoyunlu' s ?? 500.000 with sword!!!!

Believe me if they decided to do genocide between 1400-1700 it might take 7 days max to slaughter all of the armenians!!!

Hahaha with sword you can not genocide ha ?? hahahahaha you should read the history again!!

Whiplash
01-22-2007, 12:42 PM
AHA, so you are confirming that the genocide could be possible in 1915.
I just know there is something all turks know but are not allowed to share with the rest of the world. Just like i can't say we are the one's giving money to Iran...........O crap i just did.

zshabe
01-22-2007, 12:48 PM
What are you saying? That genocide is out of the nature of the ottomans?
Any country can preform genocide on an other country and i'm sure there are hundrets of examples that never made the history books.

And as for the ottomans: They were a bunch of assholes no better then the hordes of Genghis Khan. they moved through Europe like a band of thiefs taking everything they could get there sandnigger hands on.
They are not as perfect as you try to make them sound, not even close.

Chengis kaans and the bunch of barbaric assholes never existed for 600 years. There is not a single example !! But ottomans ruled for 600 years. Chengis kaans, atillas were existed for 40-50 years max.

Yes,as you told, ottomans act like a thief while conquering, but as compared with Chengis Khan there was a major diffrence that after conquering they let people live their life free. And that was the reason of their 600 years of existence.

Whiplash
01-22-2007, 12:52 PM
Chengis kaans and the bunch of barbaric assholes never existed for 600 years. There is not a single example !! But ottomans ruled for 600 years. Chengis kaans, atillas were existed for 40-50 years max.

Yes,as you told, ottomans act like a thief while conquering, but as compared with Chengis Khan there was a major diffrence that after conquering they let people live their life free. And that was the reason of their 600 years of existence.


No the reason for there 600 year existance is because as soon as an other power was rising they made sure they would destroy it. There was no real thread for them in that time.
They got there asses kicked by the romans though so they are not as mighty as you say.

zshabe
01-22-2007, 01:03 PM
No the reason for there 600 year existance is because as soon as an other power was rising they made sure they would destroy it. There was no real thread for them in that time.
They got there asses kicked by the romans though so they are not as mighty as you say.

Come on how you say that . 600 years of barbaric management!!! World record right !!! Romans and east roman empire (Byzanthium) existed for 1000 years. After that I think Ottomans come with 600 years. Yes they were showing respect to the people and it was the reason for their long existence, but when it comes to Ottomans the reason is there was no other power!!!!!

With almost 30 different ethnic groups you can not control a country if you manage them with pressure, it is impossible !!

Whiplash
01-22-2007, 01:06 PM
You turks are just so full of yourself.

I am man enough to admitt my country made mistakes in its history, you turks obvioslly are not

the_GoDdEsS
01-22-2007, 01:15 PM
I am man enough to admitt my country made mistakes in its history, you turks obvioslly are not

That's probably illegal as they have a limited freedom of speech.

zshabe
01-22-2007, 01:19 PM
You turks are just so full of yourself.

I am man enough to admitt my country made mistakes in its history, you turks obvioslly are not

Come on we made millions of mistakes and bad thing. That is why we are running from the back.

But here the point is genocide. In my previous comment I tried to explain the strategy of ottomans. The conquer like the thieves as you mentioned, but to manage them easily they let people live free. Otherwise how can you manage 30 ethic groups ?? Believe me if you have pressure on them you do not need any enemy from outside, the insiders would be much more than enough!! :)

Look you don't respect my example from the national teams but believe me it is telling something about ottomans strategy. look at French's , English national teams. How many north africans wearing French and English national teams shirts ?? Zinedine Zidane's country invaded by french only 3-4 years. But it was Ottoman's for 400-500 years. But we do not have a single player like that !!!

Whiplash
01-22-2007, 01:23 PM
That's the most bullshit argument i ever heard. Ever heard about tranfers, and buying players from other teams. geez your a morron. Do you know why there are no foreign(your words not mine) players in turkey...? Because your poor ass fuck.

zshabe
01-22-2007, 01:27 PM
That's probably illegal as they have a limited freedom of speech.


Freedom of speech wise yes we still have shameful laws which I accept, our homes are not as good as europeans , getting better , the way we are driving cars terrible, human life is not valuable as in europe, economy is in the deep shit, .....etc.

But armenian genocide is not logical if you evaluate our history. And if you investigate the countries that have commited genocide you will see ottomans situation doesn't fit with them!!

zshabe
01-22-2007, 01:35 PM
That's the most bullshit argument i ever heard. Ever heard about tranfers, and buying players from other teams. geez your a morron. Do you know why there are no foreign(your words not mine) players in turkey...? Because your poor ass fuck.


I gave this example to show you Ottomans never had an assimilating strategy. I had no other reason. If they had it , Zidane, thuram and most others might be wearing Turkey's national team shirt. Ottomans were in Algeria 400 years, French stayed 3 years!! Got it!!

I think when your words finished , you can only swear , right ?? Believe me it is very easy to swear any one especially from the internet, any 4-5 year old brain can do it, believe me!! :-)

adombomb222
01-22-2007, 06:37 PM
Hahahaha where is armenia in 1915 ??

The means to commit genocide between those dates with sword is impossible?? Hahahahaha hahahaha!! Hohohohhooooo you re funny!! Ok than have a guess, Ottoman Sultan Selim conquered Egypt after a very very big war . They just had swords. How many Egypt soldiers he slaughtered with these swords ??

Have a guess!!

Ok it is 300.000 !!!!!!

What do you know about Fatih Mehmet's war against Iran with Akkoyunlu' s ?? 500.000 with sword!!!!

Believe me if they decided to do genocide between 1400-1700 it might take 7 days max to slaughter all of the armenians!!!

Hahaha with sword you can not genocide ha ?? hahahahaha you should read the history again!!

And those slaughters would take years not days... get your history and art of war correct.

adombomb222
01-22-2007, 06:41 PM
(Byzanthium)

wasn't Rome, the Roman empire had fallen by the time Byzantium came to power, its rulers claimed it as Rome. But understand they study Christianity not Roman philosophies.

And talking about Byzantium, and if i think about the right city and ruler, one of them had all the rebels come into the horse race arena and then locked that gates and killed all of them in i believe 7 days. [Mini Genocide!] (or as you would put it: "Genocide!!!")

zshabe
01-22-2007, 10:32 PM
And those slaughters would take years not days... get your history and art of war correct.

Fatih's slaugtering session of 500.000 took only 3 months!!! And they all had swords and ready to battle as well. I knew my history well!! But you don't!!

Sin Studly
01-23-2007, 01:24 AM
Set you down this;
And say besides, that in Aleppo once,
Where a malignant and a turban’d Turk
Beat a Venetian and traduc’d the state,
I took by the throat the circumcised dog,
And smote him thus.

adombomb222
01-23-2007, 05:37 AM
Fatih's slaugtering session of 500.000 took only 3 months!!! And they all had swords and ready to battle as well. I knew my history well!! But you don't!!

And how many men did they have? 1 million?

zshabe
01-23-2007, 05:42 AM
And how many men did they have? 1 million?

According to some sources they had 700.000.

adombomb222
01-23-2007, 05:49 AM
Than I'm sure that conflict would have been drawn out much longer then 3 months.

Sin Studly
01-23-2007, 06:24 AM
The great anti-Christ among the races of men, the tyrants of the women and enemies of arts, the Turks are a human cancer, a creeping agony in the flesh of the lands which they misgovern, rotting every fibre of life ... I am glad that the Turk is to be called to a final account for his long record of infamy against humanity

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y218/AmonGoth/impaled.jpg

zshabe
01-23-2007, 06:28 AM
Than I'm sure that conflict would have been drawn out much longer then 3 months.


This discussion is going nowhere. The point was bw 1400-1700s , Ottomans having 30 different minor groups and the most powerful army which could commit genocide easily if they ever had a such kind of strategy. (The above mentioned wars are the examples against the armies that are fully armed to defend their lands )

But if they did it even once, can you imagine the other ethic and minor 29 groups' reaction ?? If Ottomans ever did such a thing they won't last for over 600 years. They behaved well to all ethic groups on their lands, it was not surely because ottomans' human feelings but it was the only way to survive 600 years with almost 30 ethic groups!! Their main strategy was to conquer the countries , designate a leader which they trust, let the people live their life freely as they will and they collected taxes to support the economy.

zshabe
01-23-2007, 06:37 AM
The great anti-Christ among the races of men, the tyrants of the women and enemies of arts, the Turks are a human cancer, a creeping agony in the flesh of the lands which they misgovern, rotting every fibre of life ... I am glad that the Turk is to be called to a final account for his long record of infamy against humanity

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y218/AmonGoth/impaled.jpg

You are just a pathetic racist!! :cool:

Where is your nick coming from, Kazıklı bey ?? Why don't you say Vlad ?? Was Vlads decapitated body the reason you hate Turks ? If you really the one who really cares of Humanity, arts why do you take a psycho called Vlad as a role model ?

Sorry for cuting his head in December 1476. But don't worry his head delivered to Sultan in a honey jam and his beautiful face(!) didn't spoil that much during transportation!! :)

Whiplash
01-23-2007, 07:00 AM
You're just a pathatic selfglorifying turkish mudskin. Why is it so hard for modernday turks to admitt there great-great grandfather's made mistakes in a war.

I don't get it.

zshabe
01-23-2007, 08:03 AM
You're just a pathatic selfglorifying turkish mudskin. Why is it so hard for modernday turks to admitt there great-great grandfather's made mistakes in a war.

I don't get it.


If your words analyzed by any psycologist they would surely tell you that if someone starts talking like "you turks, you turkish mudskin ,etc." it proves that he has a very limited capacity of thinking, producing and discussing. And also they would warn you for a possiblity of being a racist !!

Do not generalize while talking (you turks are this , are that..) , do not try to insult someone, discuss on the ideas only without mentioning their race, color of skin ,etc. Other wise no one would listen and respect to you!!

Take care.

Whiplash
01-23-2007, 08:05 AM
OOOOOOo nooooooo but everyone here listens to you and have nothing but respect for you.

Sin Studly
01-23-2007, 09:40 AM
Sorry for cuting his head in December 1476.

Turks ; 1
Wallachs ; 178,000

Wolfbutter
01-23-2007, 02:53 PM
Of course it was the Turks, if it was the Armenians it would have been disclosed loong ago.

adombomb222
01-23-2007, 06:57 PM
If men were angels, we would not need the establishment of government. I it because [we] are [human] that it is our up most nature that drives us.


We're going to kill each other no matter what; our individual states establish government in order to protect each state. We're greedy and want something someone else wants and try to take it, thus war. It'll never end, not till we destroy all our enemies, and take ourselves down as well.

HornyPope
01-23-2007, 08:47 PM
arts why do you take a psycho called Vlad as a role model ?

Vlad is fucking awesome.

zshabe
01-24-2007, 05:41 AM
Armenian minority has lived in peace and welfare under Turkish rule. According to Dr Andrew Mango, "Their prosperity grew until, by the middle of the 19th century, they became one of the richest communities of the Ottoman empire, prominent not only in trade and professions, but also in the service of state....Armanian nationalism did nor become a political force until after the defeat at the hands of the Russians in 1878. Armenian nationalists aimed at creating an Armenian state in an area which had a predominantly Muslim and largely Turkish population." (Dr. Andrew Mango's speech given on March 15, 2001 )

The Armenian problem began during the World War I. Armenians, who were under manipulation of Russia , rebelled against government . As it is mentioned by Prof. Justin McCarthy, Armenian rebels killed Muslims and initiated revenge attacks on Armenians. McCarthy tells that the minorities like the Serbs and Bulgarians rebelled against the Ottoman empire, claiming lands where the majorities were Serbs and Bulgarians. This was not true for Armenians. The lands were overwhelmingly Muslim in population. The only way they could create Armenia was to expel the Muslims.

During the World War I, many Turks lost their lives as a result of the Armenian rebels. The government decided to force Armenian rebellists in the Eastern Anotalia to migrate. McCarthy says "... in the light of history and the events of this war, it is true that the Ottomans had obvious reason to fear Armenians, and that forced migration was an age-old tool in the Middle Eastern and Balkan conflicts. It is also true that while its troops were fighting the Russians and Armenians, the Ottoman government could not and did not properly protect the Armenian migrants. Nevertheless,more than 200.000 of the deported Armenians reached Greater Syria and survived."

The survivors are an undeniable proof that there was no aim for a "genocide" at all. Also, the Armenians in the Western cities were not included in this mitigation as they were not a threat.

"The genocide allegation is further discredited by Great Britain's unavailing attempt to prove Ottoman officials of war crimes. It occupied Ottoman territory, including Istanbul, under the 1918 Mudros Armistice. Under section 230 of the Treaty of Sevres, Ottoman officials were subject to prosecution for war crimes like genocide. Great Britain had access to Ottoman archives, but found no evidence of Armenian genocide. Scores of Ottoman Turks were detained on Malta, nonetheless, under suspicion of complicity in Armenian massacres or worse. But all were released in 1922 for want of evidence." (Bruce Fein, An Armenian and Muslim Tragedy? Yes! Genocide? No!)

zshabe
01-24-2007, 06:02 AM
171 countries do not recognize an Armenian genocide. Only 10 countries do recognize.

On May 19, 1985, a total of 63 scholars from various American universities sent a letter to the U.S. House of representatives opposing the House Joint Resolution 192 which defines the events of 1915 as genocide.

To name a few renowned historians who believe that there's no such thing as Armenian genocide; Bernard Lewis (Princeton University), Justin McCarthy (University of Louisville), Gilles Veinstein (College de France), Stanford Shaw (UCLA), J.C. Hurewitz (Columbia University), Heath Lowry (Princeton University), Guenter Lewy (University of Massachusetts), Roderic Davison (Central European University), Jeremy Salt (University of Melbourne), Malcolm Yapp (University of London), Rhoads Murphey (University of Birmingham)...

zshabe
01-24-2007, 06:51 AM
"The genocide allegation is further discredited by Great Britain's unavailing attempt to prove Ottoman officials of war crimes. It occupied Ottoman territory, including Istanbul, under the 1918 Mudros Armistice. Under section 230 of the Treaty of Sevres, Ottoman officials were subject to prosecution for war crimes like genocide. Great Britain had access to Ottoman archives, but found no evidence of Armenian genocide. Scores of Ottoman Turks were detained on Malta, nonetheless, under suspicion of complicity in Armenian massacres or worse. But all were released in 1922 for want of evidence." (Bruce Fein, An Armenian and Muslim Tragedy? Yes! Genocide? No!)

How the British and U.S. Archives Vindicate Turks in the Armenian Allegations


Part I

On January 27, 1973, when an old Armenian man, George Yanikian, ambushed and assassinated two Turkish diplomats in Santa Barbara, California, Armenian terrorism burst onto center stage. For about two decades, Armenian terrorists killed more than 70 Turkish diplomats around the world (four in the United States), and wounded and maimed hundreds of innocent bystanders in the carnage they created at airports, markets, and on the streets. Besides a variety of Turkish targets, this brutal and utterly senseless terrorism engulfed the American academia as well. Armenian terrorists attempted to silence prominent history scholars in this country who refused to adopt the revisionist version of history fabricated by the Armenians themselves. In 1977, they bombed the house of Stanford Shaw, a prominent history professor at U.C.L.A. and forced him and his family off the campus.

A gang of lunatic Armenian terrorists, brainwashed and programmed by their hierarchy, calling themselves "Justice Commandos" claimed that they were out to "liberate" Armenia, ironically, which was part of the Soviet Union at that time, and also to "revenge" a mythical genocide supposedly perpetrated by the Ottoman Turkish government between 1915 and 1921. Those desperados, impervious to logic and reasoning, killed not only innocent Turks who were not even born at that time but also destroyed and ruined a part of history cherished by the Turks as well as thousands of Armenians who have lived together like brothers for centuries.

The extremist Armenians claim that their case was never fully heard. This is not true. Armenians have made several attempts in the past to pass off their cause as a valid case to gain recognition. They played the card of the persecuted minority under the Turkish yoke; they invoked Crusader spirit against the Muslim rule, they put forward the services they rendered to the British, Russians and the French during the war in an unprecedented betrayal to their own sovereign state, the Ottoman Empire. Yet, all these countries used the Armenians as a pawn against the Ottoman Empire during the war, and when the war was over, they turned their back to the Armenians.

The following article has been prepared based on the British and the United States archives. It proves categorically that the Armenian allegations were heard with great zeal by the British following the defeat of the Ottoman Empire, yet all the British efforts to incriminate the Ottoman government proved only the innocence of the Turks.

The Ottoman Empire was defeated at the end of World War I, and the armistice was signed with the British on October 30, 1918. The Allied forces occupied the capital city of Istanbul. The British Rear Admiral Sir Somerset Arthur Gough Calthrope, the signatory of the armistice for the U.K., was appointed the British High Commissioner of Istanbul. He formed a special staff for this new post headed by the Rear Admiral Richard Webb, the deputy High Commissioner. Also two members of the British Foreign Service, Mr. Hohler and Mr. Andrew Ryan were included on the staff. Mr. Ryan, a Catholic Irishman, had previously served as a "Dragoman" (official interpreter) at the British Embassy in Istanbul for 15 years (1899 to 1914) before World War I. He was a notorious anti-Turkish intriguer who was described later by Major J. Douglas Henry during his interview with General Rafet Pasha (November 27-December 5, 1921) as "the most hated man in Turkey... .an intriguer of a kind who did not scruple to employ traitors and turncoats for his purposes."

British Foreign Office Archives:
PRO—FO 371/6480

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To be continued!! :D

zshabe
01-24-2007, 06:54 AM
- Part 2-

In view of the resolute determination of the British to smear the Turkish Nation with a horrendous crime, the acting Ottoman Government decided to carry the matter beyond the sphere of authority of the Allies, especially the British. On February 18, 1919*, Reshid Bey, the Minister of Foreign Affairs, appealed to five neutral European countries (Switzerland, Denmark, Sweden, The Netherlands and Spain) and invited them to appoint two legal assessors or magistrates to the "Turkish Commission" already constituted for investigating the "alleged" abuses in connection with the relocation of the Ottoman subjects of different race and religion.

Mr. Wandel, the Danish envoy in Istanbul, forwarded this official request of the Ottoman government by telegram to Copenhagen on February 28, 1919. The Chief British Censor in Istanbul was quite upset when he found out about this Turkish initiative without his information, as it could have foiled the willful scheme of the British to falsely incriminate the Turks before the world, and he tried to stop this message, but it was too late. Similar notes had also been sent to Dutch, Spanish, Swedish and Swiss legations in Istanbul. Upon this Turkish demarche, the British Foreign Office decided that "it might be worthwhile to give a 'hint' to the neutral governments concerned."


British Archives: PRO—F. 0.371/4172/29498

Foreign Office Minutes, dated February 25, 1919


Meanwhile, the Spanish Ambassador in London, Senor Don Alphonso Merry Del Val, addressed a confidential note dated February 28, 1919, to Sir Ronald Graham in the Foreign Office, advising the British government of the fact that while his government was examining the matter he wished to know how the Ottoman proposal was being regarded by the British government.

British Archives: PRO—F.O. 371/ 4172 Private and confidential:
February 28, 1919

In an effort to contain the spread of this matter outside the British domain, the Spanish Ambassador was informed by the British Foreign Office on March 4, 1919, that "the acceptance of the Turkish invitation might, and probably would, run counter to the arrangements made at the Peace Conference, and could cause serious complications" This was a stern warning to the Spanish not to get involved in this matter, and to refrain upsetting the sinister British designs.

British Archives: PRO—F.O. 371/ 4172
Letter from Sir Ronald Graham to the Spanish Ambassador. March 4, 1919

Mr. Balfour too, the British delegate at the Paris Peace Conference, suggested to Lord Curzon in a note that the Spanish Government should be discouraged from appointing any legal assessor to the so-called "Turkish Commission."

British Archives: PRO—F. 0. 371/ 4173/47913

Note from Balfour to Curzon, Number: 323. dated March 25. 1919

*(Holdwater: Feb. 18, 1919 is probably from K. Gurun's "The Armenian File," 1985, p. 231; Turkish archives claims the date as Feb. 13. Thanks to Conan.)

zshabe
01-24-2007, 06:57 AM
-Part 3-

In view of this vehement opposition to the British Government, Spain and the other neutral countries declined the invitation of the Ottoman government either to take part actively in the process, or to act as independent observers.
Another initiative that compelled the British to uphold the principles of law and justice in dealing with the Turkish case was launched by the Indian Muslims. In early 1919, a delegation representing The Muslims of India headed by Muhammad Ali arrived at the Peace Conference to express the sentiments of the 70 million Indian Muslims and 230 million Indians who belonged to other faiths but supporting their Muslim countrymen in their feelings that the Ottoman Turks should not he subjected to a revengeful act by the British. This delegation was first received by Mr. Fisher, representing Mr. Montagu, the Secretary of India, to whom the delegation underscored the possible serious consequences in their country if the conditions of Peace Treaty contemplated for Turkey were in fact carried out. Mr. Lloyd George also received the delegation on March 19, and in the course of the interview Muhammad Ali made the following remarks with regard to the alleged "Armenian massacres":

"The Indian Khilafat delegation must put on record their utter detestation of such [alleged] conduct and their full sympathy for the sufferers, whether they be Christian or Muslim. However, if the Turks are to be punished as a criminal on the assumption that they have been tyrants in the past. and their rule was intolerable, then the delegation claims that the whole question of these massacres must be impartially investigated by an international commission in which the All - India Khilafat Conference should be adequately represented."

"If in fact the supposed casualties have taken place, not only should their true extent be ascertained but the commission should go fully into the so-called 'massacres' and also the intrigues of the Tsarist Russia in Asia Minor after the success of similar intrigues in the Balkans [reference to the Bulgarian case]; it should also address the secret revolutionary societies organized by the Christian [i.e. Armenian] subjects of the sultan, whose rebellious character was subversive of his rule. It should further go into the provocation of the Muslim majority in the region by the Armenians through armed revolts, massacres of the civilians and the terrorism acts."
"I have no brief for them; I have no brief for the Turks. I have only a brief for Islam and the Indian Muslims. What we say is this, as I said to Mr. Fisher: Let there be a thorough inquiry, and if this thorough inquiry is carried out, and if it establishes to the satisfaction of the world that the Turks really have been guilty of these atrocities and horrible crimes, then we will wash our hands of the Turks. To us it is much more important that not a single stain should remain on the fair name of Islam. Otherwise, with what face could we go before the world if our brethren are murderers and massacrers?"

"But we know the whole history of these massacres to some extent. It is only towards the Armenians that the Turk is said to be so intolerant; there are other parts of the world where he [the Turk] deals with Christian people, and where he deals with the Jewish community. No complaint of massacres come from those communities. Moreover, the Armenians themselves lived under the Turkish rule for centuries and never complained. Therefore, we earnestly appeal to you, to the whole Christian world of Europe and America, that if the Turk is to be punished on the assumption that he is a tyrant, and that his rule is a blasting tyranny then the evidence should be of such character that it should be absolutely above suspicion."

Yet, the British were intensely determined to take revenge from the defeated Ottoman Empire, and wipe it out from the surface of the earth; therefore, this appeal of justice and fairness of the Indian Muslims fell on deaf ears. The so-called "Armenian massacres" were a convenient pretext for their purpose. Thus, the British government callously pushed aside all the concerns for humanity, justice and morality, and reserved exclusively to itself the right to act as the judge as well as the prosecutor in the trial of the so-called "Turkish war criminals." The following telegram was sent by Admiral Richard Webb to the British Foreign Office in London in that spirit:

"To punish all persons guilty of Armenian atrocities would necessitate wholesale execution of the Turks, and I therefore suggest a retribution both on a national scale by dismembering the late Turkish Empire, as well as individually by the trial of high officials, such as those on my lists, whose fate will serve as an example."

the_GoDdEsS
01-24-2007, 06:58 AM
Nobody is going to read long texts you copy from that site. Serious.

adombomb222
01-24-2007, 06:59 AM
Too long. I'm not going to read that.

EDIT: Haha told you. [^]

zshabe
01-24-2007, 07:01 AM
-Part 4-

British Archives: PRO-F.O. 371/4173/53351
Webb to F.O. telegram No: 677
April 13, 1919


In the international arena too the British put forward an evil plan to dismember the Ottoman Empire. In 1917, Italy, predicting a Turco-German defeat, showed willingness to join the war on the side of the Allies, hoping for a possible share in the partition of the Ottoman Empire. The British and French saw in this proposal of Italy a further guarantee for their victory, and accepted the offer. The promise of Turkish territory was embodied in a treaty known as the Agreement of St Jean de Maurienne, signed by Italy, Britain and France, and concluded in April 1917. The Agreement contained a provision making it subject to the concurrence of Russia. However, in the October 1917 Revolution the Bolsheviks overthrew the Czarist government; therefore, the Agreement never came into effect. There was no justification for Italy to claim any territory in Anatolia, nor was there any Italian community in Turkey for her to protect. Nonetheless, starting in mid-March 1919, the Italian Army landed in Antalya supposedly to restore order, and then to leave. Yet, within two months they occupied the entire South-West coast line up to Marmaris. The Allies feared the Italians would march inland and occupy the entire section of Anatolia. At this point the U.S. President Woodrow Wilson intervened, and called for moderation in the Italian ambitions. Thereupon, the Italian delegation Ieft the Peace Conference on April 24, 1919, to consult their government. In the absence of the Italians, the United States, France and Britain turned against them. Suddenly, yesterday's ally had turned to an imperialist aggressor posing a threat to the peace. Meanwhile, more Italian ships sailed for the Turkish post of lzmir, and on May 2, 1919, President Wilson, outraged by this flagrant defiance, spoke of the possibility of the United States going to war against Italy to stop the aggression. The reports of atrocities and horror stories committed by the Italians on the local Turkish population were an embarrassment for the Allies, and therefore, they decided to eliminate the Italians from the picture before the Italian delegation returned to the Peace table on May 7. Lloyd George suggested to ask Greece, which was near at hand, to land troops at Izmir, seemingly to keep order. but in fact to preempt the Italians. The Greek Prime Minister Eleutherios Venizelos had endeared himself to Lloyd George and won him over to his vision of Greece's historic mission embodied in the Megali Idea, encompassing Western Anatolia.

Greek troops landed at Izmir on May 15,1919, under the auspices of the Allies. Greece was not even at war with Turkey, therefore, this perfidious fait-accompli on the part of the British government shook enormously the confidence which the Muslim nations reposed in the pledges given to them by the British. Furthermore, the atrocities perpetrated by the Greek Army and the local Greeks in that region drove the Turks to desperation and outrage.

zshabe
01-24-2007, 07:02 AM
-Part 5 -

On May 28, 1919, the first group of the detainees (67 persons) was transported on board S/S H.M.S. PRINCESS ENA to Malta. With the subsequent transportations on July 23, August and September21, 1919, the number of detainees in Malta amounted to more than one hundred. In September 1919, Admiral de Roebeck became the new British High Commissioner to Istanbul. As far as realism and objectivity go, he was more moderate than his predecessor. He had not been intimately involved in this matter so as to be influenced by the massive Armenian propaganda, and let the hard facts be drowned out by his emotions. He reviewed the situation of the Turkish detainees accused of outrages to Armenians, and he reported to Lord Curzon on September 21 the following:

"As I have determined, the selection of deportees was made hurriedly by applying the general principles in the process, rather than relying on known facts. It is obvious that in such circumstances it might be very difficult to sustain definite charges against many of these persons before an Allied tribunal."

British Archives: PRO—P.O. 371/ 4174/136069
De Roebeck to Curzon. Telegram No: 1722/ R/ 1315 September 21, 1919

The new British High Commissioner was aware that the Turkish deportees accused of outrages to Armenians might have been arrested and deported not based on facts, but on a vicious slandering campaign waged by some Armenian informers and conspirators, and he felt that to sustain definite charges before a court of law against the deportees, whose crimes seemed to have had a dubious provenance, would be very difficult. Therefore, he ordered that further arrests be stopped, and made clear to his staff that it was politically inadvisable to deport any more Turkish detainees to Malta.

In December 1919, elections were held throughout the Ottoman Empire for a new Turkish Parliament, and on January 12, 1920, the new Parliament convened in Istanbul. On January 28, in a secret session the deputies voted to adopt the National Pact (Misaki Milli) drawn out by Mustafa Kemal, and on February 17, they announced their decision to the public. On March 16, 1920, Britain led an Allied military occupation of Istanbul, they replaced the Ottoman police, declared martial law, and attacked and dissolved the parliament, arresting 30 deputies. Those deputies were put on board the S/ S BENBOW on March 18, and sent to Malta as "politically undesirable persons."

In view of the ongoing arbitrary detentions and then deportations of the high-level Turkish officials, Mustafa Kemal, who formed the Nationalist government in Ankara, in the heartland ofAnatolia, ordered as a reprisal the arrest of a number of British officers in Anatolia. About 22 of them were arrested, including Colonel Rawlinson, the younger brother of Lord Rawlinson, a British spy and a relative of Lord Curzon.

Despite the French objection to the British action on the basis of the unlawful nature of the deportations new series of arrests continued. In the meantime, the ignominious Peace Treaty of Serves was dictated and imposed on the puppet government of the Ottoman Sultan on August 10, 1920. This Treaty was described by Mustafa Kemal as the "death sentence of the Turkish Nation," and was never ratified. On the alleged Armenian massacres this Treaty contained the following Article:

"Article 230 — The Turkish Government undertakes to hand over to the Allied powers the persons whose surrender may be required by the latter as being responsible for the massacres committed during the continuance of the state of war on territory which formed part of the Turkish Empire on August 1, 1914 [the date the Ottoman Empire entered the war.] The Allied powers reserve to themselves the right to designate the tribunals which shall try the persons so accused, and the Turkish government undertakes to recognize such tribunals."

(Holdwater: The Ottoman Empire entered the war on Nov. 2, 1914.)

adombomb222
01-24-2007, 07:03 AM
Dude just stop! How about you read it, then you pick out the important parts and post those?

zshabe
01-24-2007, 07:05 AM
-Part 6-

In small groups transferred between March and November 1920, the number of 'Turkish detainees in Malta reached the total number of 144.

Around that time, the Allies, especially the British, who were in close cooperation with the Armenians, had an opportunity to look closer into their stories. Serious doubts emerged about the veracity of the Armenian accounts, and when the character of the Armenians and their wild stories were superimposed, the truth seemed to evaporate. Naively giving in to propaganda, and prosecuting innocent people for spurious allegations before a historical tribunal were indeed — different things. Thus, on July 19, 1920, Winston S. Churchill, the then Secretary of State in the British War Cabinet, submitted to his Cabinet the following secret memorandum expressing his concerns in that matter:

"I circulate to the Cabinet a long list of prominent Turkish politicians, ex-ministers, generals, deputies and others whom we are still keeping as prisoners at Malta. It seems to me that this list should be carefully revised by the Attorney General, and that those men against whom no proceedings are contemplated should be released at the first convenient opportunity."

PRO—FO. 371/ 5090 and C.P. 1649: Memorandum by the Secretary of State for War (Cabinet) on position of Turkish prisoners interned at Malta, dated July 19,1920.


Meanwhile, the Law Officers of the Crown were consulted on the subject, and they submitted to the Cabinet an interesting memorandum, which was reviewed in its meeting of August 4, 1920. According to this memorandum, the Law Officers were dealing only with a few Turkish deportees accused of ill treatment of the British prisoners of war. No materials or evidence of any kind ever existed about the alleged and widely propagandized Armenian massacres. So, about one week prior to the signing of the Treaty of Sevres, in view of the lack of reliable evidence, the Armenian issue was unofficially dropped quietly from the British agenda.

It had been about two years since the first party of the detainees was sent to Malta, that at last on February 8, 1921 the British Attorney General sent the following message to the Under Secretary of State:

"The Attorney General is of the opinion that time has come to ask His Majesty's High Commissioner in Istanbul to prepare the evidence against those interned Turks whom he recommends for prosecution on charges of cruelty to native Christians."

The problem was that no such evidence ever existed in the files of the British authorities in London, and Lord Curzon was expecting a full report from H.M. High Commission in Istanbul which had initiated the arrests and deportations. On March 12, 1921, Lord Curzon requested Sir H. Rumbold to report back to him as soon as possible with all the evidence against each of the Turkish nationals accused of cruelties to native Christians.

zshabe
01-24-2007, 07:14 AM
Dude just stop! How about you read it, then you pick out the important parts and post those?

Sorry, I realy do believe that this is a lie and not reading only Ottomans' archieves but try to find other countries archieves as well. So I try to copy everything here.

But the most important thing was above that the British army tried to find something against Ottomans, they authorized Armenians to investigate Ottoman archieves in 1919 and finally the result was ; " NO GENOCIDE" . THIS INVESTIGATION AND RESULT IS IN US AND BRITISH ARCHIEVES!!!

By the way, I can go on publishing English Archieves on Genocide lie here, if you like!!!

zshabe
01-24-2007, 11:56 PM
Nobody is going to read long texts you copy from that site. Serious.


Yes, that is your problem. Having an idea without reading and having detailed information!! ;)

Sin Studly
01-25-2007, 12:51 AM
No, it's because your site is full of lies and bullshit.

the_GoDdEsS
01-25-2007, 06:26 AM
Yes, that is your problem. Having an idea without reading and having detailed information!! ;)

No, because it would have been easier if you had condensed the propaganda into just a few sentences or nothing at all.

adombomb222
01-25-2007, 02:34 PM
^ :D Much agreed.

0r4ng3
01-28-2007, 05:11 PM
Congratulations, Lieutenant Obvious, you've just been promoted to Captain.

Little_Miss_1565
02-02-2007, 05:45 AM
LOL, those archive snippets are of correspondence AT THE TIME. Of course those would say "no genocide!," because most of the time genocide can get covered up enough while it's going on--that's generally how it is allowed to happen. The exact same thing happened in Rwanda and Sudan. It's only later when it comes out like "UMMM WTF."

zshabe
02-27-2007, 07:04 AM
LOL, those archive snippets are of correspondence AT THE TIME. Of course those would say "no genocide!," because most of the time genocide can get covered up enough while it's going on--that's generally how it is allowed to happen. The exact same thing happened in Rwanda and Sudan. It's only later when it comes out like "UMMM WTF."

Honey, these are the British Archieves, not the Turkish ones!! :D :cool:

Great Mike
02-27-2007, 11:08 AM
God, I didn't know about the Turkish abominable acts... This thread taught me not to believe a Turk.

fallen_
10-06-2008, 06:03 AM
Turkish history NOT bloody? Now that's a laugh.

Hey, can you say me a coutry that is not bloody? HEY!Are you an angel?

fallen_
10-06-2008, 06:21 AM
Our mothers not Kurds not Armenians.
WE ARE TURKs. And Türkiye is our land.


Yes, Turkey is our land! 'Türkiye Türklerindir.'





And others.. Do you know this REAL story? :

Some Armenian child look to Atatürk with flaming eyes and than Atatürk asks them:

-' why are you loooking me like that, boys?'

and the boys say:

-'hey i hate you because you killed my grandpa in Istanbul!'

then Atatürk answer him:

- 'Hey,sorry but, did you ever asked your grandpa to WHAT ARE YOU DOING IN ISTANBUL?'

Can i tell?? oh yes , i know,if you don't want to understand, we can never tell it you.Because you never accept this:
Atatürk is more intelligent than you !
So, if he did something, you can sure, it was the true one.

metalmania
10-06-2008, 12:48 PM
hm i have to say that nobody's killer and i hate your inquiry about "who is the killer/turks or armenians"question.what do you want?is it a game for you all?do ya have a good time?re you crazy or fool?

its a historical problem its not a subject of your inquiry.this subject can not be a toy here.yes,its a big problem beetween two folks but dont forget that europe and sometimes usa re using this subject against turkey but usa cant say "its the genocide" cause the genocide term is not fit for usa policy and europe union is trying to use this subject and its tragic for europe cause everybody know the history!

forexample ;france'd obstruction to jazair until 1962,is wasnt the genocide there?;) and france say now" ooo turks re killer" it was just a foolish speech for them
anyway what is doing usa now in iraq or afghanistan?(do you know that narcotic games there ).a million people died there,did you know? is it not the genocide there? and africa.africa continent has got the biggest minerals but their people so cheap,wicked.why? cause u know that west mineral(golden and others) incorporateds re there and people's dyin' there day by day?dont you know it? so if you talk about a subject you have to know somethings ;) europe specially france or usa cant give the history lesson to world !


now this subject;i guess many armenians re living in usa or france and they re faraway from armenia,they were born in europe or other countries so they didnt learn their history in armenia.europe and usa dont debate this subject.only turk and armenian( in armenia) have to debate it.i did just want to say it!dont you know many armenians re still living in Turkey, they have villages in Turkey;)

so i hate the facism and i hate the racism!go and find a new toy for yourself!

adombomb222
10-12-2008, 08:46 PM
Well I can tell that your turkish, because you spell like you big brothers smashed you face with a shovel.

You'll always deny what you did under the cover of the Great War. But you still did it. Therefore: FUCK YOU.

adombomb222
10-12-2008, 08:52 PM
Do you know what Genocide means? Conflict between two countries doesn’t always mean it’s a genocide dumbass. Though I'd prefer that we were indeed intent on eradicating this world of Muslims, were not... Believe me, we have the means for genocide - if we wanted to destroy an entire culture/ethnic group/country we could.

metalmania
10-13-2008, 01:23 PM
hey all,you can believe ur ideas in your fanatic world!no matter to be Armeanian or Turk but when u do it ; please dont despise me!.anyway ok tell me this;

armenians make kingdoms in east anatolia on B.C 95,D.C 398,1045 and 1080 years but rome,pers,bisans,memluk kingdoms did attack to these place ;) so its so bad.( u can read these in christopher j. walker's book(people in exile)he did write this book for minority rights club in england)

And everybody knows that they did live an exile on 1915 and i guess ,700 thousand armenians were in this exile and i 'd read the archives;300 thousand armenians died unfortunatelly.yes many people were responsible and i guess they saw their punishments there and in europe(military officals).everyTurks can not be responsible about it maybe somebody can say "hey you re liar", i dont care dude!i just say my ideas.

anyway u re talking about it,didnt you hear the gang names in europe??but why dont you talk about the terrosim of ASALA(Armenia Secret Army for Liberation for Armenia) or JCAG(Justice Commandos Armenia Genocide)?did you know these names?i guess you know!they killed many people in 1975-1985.these gangs killed ambassadorship officals in other countries! for why? for revenge?for hate?hm no i guess just for fanatism.

yes armenia has got a country and Turkey has got a country too but they want to be enemy for themselves.and i guess real people wanna trying to surpass this bad game but fanatics re still burning with fire and its so bad.its a game in the hands of usa and europe.they re just trying to use "turks and armenians"and turks,armenian fanatics re supporting this game.its so tragic for fanatics!

fanatic's ideas cant change!its so bad!
hey all dont forget ,40 thousand armenians re living in Turkey and they re happy there and Turks re going to Erivan and they re working there!they can live the mean of sense of brotherhood!its so cool

but fanatics,,nevermind 'em all! no racism!

fallen_
10-17-2008, 03:16 AM
Death to all Turks.


Hey, if you hate Turks, why are you using our language, '' Kazıklı bey ''?

Hombre
10-20-2008, 05:16 PM
So,may be all the victims of Holocaust is also liars?!

ad8
10-21-2008, 08:07 AM
This thread makes no sense to me... either it's the spelling or the deleted posts that make it hard to understand this:D

metalmania
10-21-2008, 08:57 AM
wow u all seem politic puppets of capitalism with this discussion ;) so play your game again again again goooo :p