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Autonomist
11-10-2006, 06:14 AM
Could anyone be generous enough to upload an "iTunesSetup" file from one of the older models, preferably the iTunes 6.0.4?

Grabbal
12-09-2006, 10:12 AM
Are you sure you can't download it from www.download.com??

the_offsprings_monkey
12-10-2006, 06:20 AM
Could anyone be generous enough to upload an "iTunesSetup" file from one of the older models, preferably the iTunes 6.0.4?

Blows?!?! What's wrong with it?!?! I think it's much better then the last version.

Amiralanal
12-10-2006, 07:46 AM
you are a fucking worthless sellout if you use Itunes. Winamp is the shit

0r4ng3
12-10-2006, 07:49 AM
How the hell did you accomplish being fucking worthless without iTunes, then? The mind boggles.

Amiralanal
12-10-2006, 07:56 AM
How the hell did you accomplish being fucking worthless without iTunes, then? The mind boggles.

i am not worthless. why do you think so?

Endymion
12-10-2006, 11:15 AM
personally, i use Banshee (http://banshee-project.org/Main_Page).

Idiot
12-10-2006, 02:12 PM
iTunes has always blown. Its crap.

Llamas
12-10-2006, 02:17 PM
I agree. I hate iTunes.

Idiot
12-10-2006, 02:22 PM
Wahoo! Everyone I've said that to has disagreed. Winamp all the way.

Oxygene
12-10-2006, 02:24 PM
you guys with the PCs are just jealous :)
No wonder Dexter uses macs and all of nitroreords :cool:

Llamas
12-10-2006, 02:27 PM
Wahoo! Everyone I've said that to has disagreed. Winamp all the way.

agreeeed. I like winamp the most... creative media source I like more, but it's not compatible with last.fm... and wmp comes third. iTunes brings up the ugly rear.

Idiot
12-10-2006, 02:33 PM
I can't get on with WMP. I did use SonicStage for a bit [came with Sony MP3 Player last year] but that was annoying after a while. Winamp uses least CPU.

All About Eve
12-10-2006, 07:52 PM
Winamp randomly shuts down, so I generally use wmp more. I only use iTunes for putting songs on my iPod.

JohnnyNemesis
12-10-2006, 08:01 PM
iTunes is the only major music player in existence worthy of the classification "not 100% complete and utter trash like Windows Media Player and Winamp are".

Little_Miss_1565
12-10-2006, 08:06 PM
I only hate iTunes because my Audioscrobbler stopped updating what I listen to on my iPod.

Tired_Of_You
12-10-2006, 08:09 PM
I like iTunes and I don't really understand why so many people don't like it. I never had any problems with it and I think it's better than wmp and all the others I've tried.

JohnnyNemesis
12-10-2006, 08:12 PM
When I had my old computer I didn't like it because the way it organized songs made too much sense. I was used to having my songs in the clunky, unorganized, stupidly messy way previous music players encouraged me to. It took me a little while to realize that other players are an embarrassment in comparison.

All About Eve
12-10-2006, 08:15 PM
Yeah, having folders for all the albums for a band in a band folder then all the band folders in alphabetic order being in one nice place is stupid.:rolleyes:

Llamas
12-10-2006, 08:37 PM
Winamp randomly shuts down, so I generally use wmp more. I only use iTunes for putting songs on my iPod.
That's very strange. Winamp has never randomly shut down on me.


iTunes is the only major music player in existence worthy of the classification "not 100% complete and utter trash like Windows Media Player and Winamp are".
How are they complete and utter trash? Both are much better than iTunes.


I like iTunes and I don't really understand why so many people don't like it. I never had any problems with it and I think it's better than wmp and all the others I've tried.
Reasons I don't like it include:
-It uses a lot more memory than winamp
-It installs a bunch of shit that you don't even know about that gets hidden in random folders when you install it, and it takes hours to find all the shit it installed later
-It takes longer to load than winamp (due to memory usage)
-It shows everything in one big window. I much prefer having a seperate folders window when I want to search or open music.
-It does things way too automatically and doesn't allow nearly as much customization with anything.
-I've never figured out how to put the little play/pause/rwd/ff/stop buttons in my task bar instead of having to open the window every time.
-The skin(s) suck(s).

That's all I can think of right now.


When I had my old computer I didn't like it because the way it organized songs made too much sense. I was used to having my songs in the clunky, unorganized, stupidly messy way previous music players encouraged me to. It took me a little while to realize that other players are an embarrassment in comparison.
What? Other players encourage you to organize music in different ways? I have one big folder called "mp3s", in which I have a folder for every single band, and then in each of those folders I have a folder for each album by that band, which then contains those songs. I would never want my music organized in ANY other way.


Yeah, having folders for all the albums for a band in a band folder then all the band folders in alphabetic order being in one nice place is stupid.:rolleyes:
Er yeah, there we go. :)

Autonomist
12-10-2006, 08:41 PM
I'm extemely obsessive when it comes to organising my music, for which iTunes has usually been good for. I had Winamp for a while, and I can safely say it a pile of shit, and Windows Media Player even more so.

0r4ng3
12-10-2006, 08:42 PM
-I've never figured out how to put the little play/pause/rwd/ff/stop buttons in my task bar instead of having to open the window every time.
I used to know how to do that, but I can't seem to find it now. Strange.

You could always switch to Mini Player. It's not the same thing, but it's close.

Llamas
12-10-2006, 08:45 PM
I used to know how to do that, but I can't seem to find it now. Strange.

You could always switch to Mini Player. It's not the same thing, but it's close.

I know what mini player is. Not close in my opinion. I don't want something up on my screen or that I have to open. I want something that's in the little corner with my volume button. Plus I use the thing that hides unused icons or whatever so it's just as minimal as possible.

sKratch
12-10-2006, 08:46 PM
iTunes is the only major music player in existence worthy of the classification "not 100% complete and utter trash like Windows Media Player and Winamp are".

We are no longer friends.

JohnnyNemesis
12-10-2006, 08:46 PM
Reasons I don't like it include:

Half of those reasons have more to do with your computer being weak than anything.


I have one big folder called "mp3s", in which I have a folder for every single band, and then in each of those folders I have a folder for each album by that band, which then contains those songs.

*shrug* That's EXACTLY how iTunes organizes them too, except it has an interface that doesn't suck.

0r4ng3
12-10-2006, 08:47 PM
I know what mini player is. Not close in my opinion. I don't want something up on my screen or that I have to open. I want something that's in the little corner with my volume button. Plus I use the thing that hides unused icons or whatever so it's just as minimal as possible.That's what I meant. There actually used to be something like that, but I can't find it. Apple probably got rid of it, or replaced it with the Mini Player.

Edit: No, wait, I just found it. Right click on the taskbar, go to toolbars, and select "iTunes". Then minimize iTunes. That should do it.

Autonomist
12-10-2006, 08:50 PM
I know what mini player is. Not close in my opinion. I don't want something up on my screen or that I have to open. I want something that's in the little corner with my volume button. Plus I use the thing that hides unused icons or whatever so it's just as minimal as possible.

... (http://i16.tinypic.com/2d8qtuf.jpg)

sKratch
12-10-2006, 09:01 PM
Half of those reasons have more to do with your computer being weak than anything.



*shrug* That's EXACTLY how iTunes organizes them too, except it has an interface that doesn't suck.

I guess your criteria for a good media player include:
*Good interface (takes up the entire screen with huge useless windows)
*Organizes your music nicely (too retarded to have well-organized folders, or too lazy to press "j" for an alphabetized search in winamp)
*Benchmarks your system's performance by raping it of RAM

Winamp is currently using 12,208 K of my 2GB of RAM. It is shuffling an organized playlist of 4000 songs. If I want to hear a certain song next, I can enqueue it. If I want to find a song, I hit "j" and type part of it. I can play wav, mp3, mp4, ,ogg, FLAC, and god knows what else. I can choose from probably hundreds of thousands of skins. Because Winamp isn't faggoted, I can move my music files around from PC to PC without hassle. I'm gonna stop talking and go to sleep and take my quantum mechanics final at 8:30am ;[

sKratch
12-10-2006, 09:08 PM
ps-
http://paperkingdoms.wordpress.com/2006/11/01/wmp-11-vs-winamp-53-vs-itunes-702/

Llamas
12-10-2006, 09:10 PM
autonomist: Can you screenshot what the actual systray icons look like? Because this is what I use and anything more elaborate will annoy me shitless. http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y23/llamaoffspring/systray.jpg?t=1165813726

skratch... I totally forgot about the stupid compatibility shit with iTunes... you can only player certain file types unless you want them all converted which is annoying as fuck. And yes, winamp skins own because of the variety.

Little_Miss_1565
12-10-2006, 09:13 PM
Many of my files are different formats, and iTunes doesn't ask me to convert any of them.

Has anyone else figured out how to get iTunes 7 to update iPods to audioscrobbler?

Llamas
12-10-2006, 09:14 PM
iTunes will NOT play wma, and I know that for a fact.

0r4ng3
12-10-2006, 09:15 PM
1565 - I just use the regular ol' jscrob, and it works fine with my iPod. I also have iTunes 7. I know it's 7 because I'm constantly frustrated by it, but that's besides the point.

llamas - That's pretty much what the system tray icon for iTunes looks like, also.

JohnnyNemesis
12-10-2006, 09:16 PM
*sKratch's last two posts*

You pwned me hardcore and all, but that link you shared failed. What you said made your case better than the link did. But iTunes plays all those formats too, so I can at least partially tell you to eat dick :cool: :cool:

All About Eve
12-10-2006, 09:16 PM
What? Other players encourage you to organize music in different ways? I have one big folder called "mp3s", in which I have a folder for every single band, and then in each of those folders I have a folder for each album by that band, which then contains those songs. I would never want my music organized in ANY other way.
That's how WMP does it too, except inside of My Music.

Little_Miss_1565
12-10-2006, 09:18 PM
iTunes will NOT play wma, and I know that for a fact.

Well, then I'm glad none of my files are WMA.

Llamas
12-10-2006, 09:20 PM
That's how WMP does it too, except inside of My Music.
Yeah, I don't mind WMP. The only thing I prefer more about winamp is the organizational aspects of it.




Well, then I'm glad none of my files are WMA.
Yes, that is so great for you.

JohnnyNemesis
12-10-2006, 09:22 PM
Has anyone else figured out how to get iTunes 7 to update iPods to audioscrobbler?


You must be using iTunes 7 and an older version of iScrobbler. Please update to 1.2.1. (http://www.last.fm/group/iScrobbler/forum/35555/_/134626)

Hope it works.

Little_Miss_1565
12-10-2006, 09:23 PM
Yes, that is so great for you.

When you can try to be snotty about even soundfiles, it's even better.

All About Eve
12-10-2006, 09:25 PM
The following are features of Winamp 5:

MIDI (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MIDI), MOD (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MOD_%28file_format%29), MP1 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MPEG-1), MP2 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MPEG-1_Audio_Layer_II), MP3 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MP3), AAC (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Audio_Coding), Ogg (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ogg) Vorbis (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vorbis), FLAC (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FLAC), WAV (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WAV), WMA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Media_Audio), Chiptunes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chiptunes) and many other audio formats supported.
AVI (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AVI) support, which is played through the appropriate DirectShow (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DirectShow) filters installed on the user's system; MPEG (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MPEG); and NSV (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nullsoft_Streaming_Video) (Nullsoft Streaming Video).
I'm pretty sure iTunes doesn't do all of that, Ricky.

JohnnyNemesis
12-10-2006, 09:28 PM
It plays all of the relevant ones/I've already conceded pwnage points to sKratch in this dispute but retain my preferences so lolz btfu (b is for back lolololol)

Little_Miss_1565
12-10-2006, 09:29 PM
Serious question, AAE--how are more than 3 of those file formats interesting or relevant at all?

Endymion
12-10-2006, 09:30 PM
ps: anyone who uses wma files is a fucking tool.

JohnnyNemesis
12-10-2006, 09:31 PM
ps: anyone who uses wma files is a fucking tool.

This is true. They have zero redeeming qualities.

All About Eve
12-10-2006, 09:32 PM
Serious question, AAE--how are more than 3 of those file formats interesting or relevant at all?
I don't use them, but often times I've downloaded/received files in those formats.

ps: anyone who uses wma files is a fucking tool.
tru dat

Llamas
12-10-2006, 09:32 PM
AAE, ya. Types of files WINAMP* supports:

ogg, aiff, au, avr, caf, htk, iff, mat, paf, pvf, raw, sd2, sds, sf, voc, w64
wav, xi, wma, wmv, asf, m3u, m3u8, pls, b4s, wpl, asx, nst, stm, stz, s3m
s3z, it, itz, xm, xmz, mtm, ult, 669, far, amf, okt, ptm, mp3, mp2, mp1, aac
apl, vlb, m4a, mp4, nsv, nsa, mdz, mod, miz, kar, rmi, midi, mid, fla, flac
avi, m2v, mpeg, mpg, cda

Oh, and I use ogg, wav, wma, wmv, m3u, asx, mp3, m4a, mp4, midi, avi, mpeg, mpg, and cda.

All About Eve
12-10-2006, 09:33 PM
Mine's never played an OGG before.

Llamas
12-10-2006, 09:34 PM
Weird, what version of winamp do you use? ogg works for mine. It's listed in the preferences on my winamp as a supported file type.

JohnnyNemesis
12-10-2006, 09:37 PM
You made a mistake earlier, so he was referring to your comment that iTunes plays all of those filetypes when you meant to say that Winamp does.

All About Eve
12-10-2006, 09:37 PM
Oh, those are winamp plugins? You said iTunes.


AAE, ya. Types of files iTunes supports:

Just so you don't edit and make me look stupid.

Llamas
12-10-2006, 09:39 PM
I edited, and I totally hadn't noticed that. Thanks for pointing it out. :)

But yeah... I use a lot of file types (I don't see any point in converting everything I get from people or download), and like a player that supports them all.

Little_Miss_1565
12-10-2006, 10:07 PM
So I guess the question now becomes why anyone anywhere would use these weird and mostly useless formats?

Llamas
12-10-2006, 10:35 PM
So I guess the question now becomes why anyone anywhere would use these weird and mostly useless formats?

Kind of assuming out of nowhere that they're mostly useless...

ogg doesn't have licenses and no issue with protection or legal banter, which makes file sharing a lot easier.

wav files I use when I record music to my computer. I prefer to leave them in wav because it helps me to distinguish them from other formats on my computer.

wma I use because I rip cds using wmp, and it rips to wma much faster than to anything else including mp3. otherwise wma and mp3 are the same.

avi is my favorite video format of all. it has a much higher pixelation, color compression and resolution than most others.

m3u is what I use to save playlists. It's the easiest way to store them and to open them up.

wmv is basically along the same lines as wma, only for video.

asf and asx are nice because of streaming capabilities. They start playing without any delay

m4a is a common file type that itunes uses. a lot of music I get is in this format because I get music from apple users. It's not that great, but I end up with a lot of them and don't feel like converting them all.

mp4, mpg, and mpeg are like the same. they're more thorough than other video formats, and I mostly use them for videos that have subtitles.

and cda is the most common format for playing cds. self-explanatory.

There are also other file types on that list that I use, but not often enough to be bothered explaining.

JohnnyNemesis
12-10-2006, 10:37 PM
wav files are about a 1839684649574859384684689 times larger than other formats.

Llamas
12-10-2006, 10:39 PM
Yes, they are... good thing I've only recorded a handful of songs. :)

Endymion
12-10-2006, 11:07 PM
wav files are about a 1839684649574859384684689 times larger than other formats.

wav is also lossless.

however, flac makes a much better lossless codec.

mp3 is ok only because it's licensing etc was lost to the public domain a long time ago due to non-enforcement.

wma is completely worthless. "it's default" is a completely lame excuse to sell your soul to the devil and use completely drm'd steaming pile of shit codecs.

ogg is totally where it's at. everyone should move toward this.

JohnnyNemesis
12-10-2006, 11:10 PM
wav is also lossless.

True, but/and I agree with this guy:


however, flac makes a much better lossless codec.

Also:


wma is completely worthless. "it's default" is a completely lame excuse to sell your soul to the devil and use completely drm'd steaming pile of shit codecs.

It's also inexcusable because ripping to mp3 or another format is just as fuckin' simple...

T-6005
12-10-2006, 11:17 PM
Every few months I find myself cleaning all the raw recorded .wav files out of my recorded files directory. Every single time I end up gaining at least a gigabyte if not 2.

Endymion
12-10-2006, 11:23 PM
Every few months I find myself cleaning all the raw recorded .wav files out of my recorded files directory. Every single time I end up gaining at least a gigabyte if not 2.

try flac, it usually gets compression ratios of nearly 50% (whereas good lossy audio codecs *cough*ogg*cough* get around 80% and wav is usually 0%)

Llamas
12-10-2006, 11:23 PM
wav is also lossless.

however, flac makes a much better lossless codec.

mp3 is ok only because it's licensing etc was lost to the public domain a long time ago due to non-enforcement.

wma is completely worthless. "it's default" is a completely lame excuse to sell your soul to the devil and use completely drm'd steaming pile of shit codecs.

ogg is totally where it's at. everyone should move toward this.

what does lossless mean?

Also, I like ogg. iTunes not supporting it is definitely a reason for suckitude. And we're steering away from the point... the point was why iTunes sucks! Only ONE of those reasons was file types! :p

anyway, my recording program records to wav. there are no options on that, and I really have no wish to convert stuff unless there's a really major reason to.


It's also inexcusable because ripping to mp3 or another format is just as fuckin' simple...

I didn't say I use it because it's a default... I said:


wma I use because I rip cds using wmp, and it rips to wma much faster than to anything else including mp3.

JohnnyNemesis
12-10-2006, 11:27 PM
Also, I like ogg. iTunes not supporting it is definitely a reason for suckitude.

iTunes does support it with the right plugin.

Manic Subsidal Boy
12-10-2006, 11:27 PM
WMA Files are faulty. iTunes is way better then WMP, and how can you say it rips faster? Plus iTunes is heaps more tidier

JohnnyNemesis
12-10-2006, 11:29 PM
I didn't say I use it because it's a default... I said:

Oh, and also, Endy said the default thing not me and that reason was equally lame.

Rag Doll
12-10-2006, 11:35 PM
i love my itunes, i gotta say. no problems with it at all. and no problems with ripping using it either...and i'll rip like a dozen cds at a time with it, and i dont think it takes too long or anything.

Llamas
12-10-2006, 11:36 PM
Well, when you have 350 some cds, plus 200-300 some burned cds that you want to rip to your computer, and wma files rip about 1/3 again faster... you're gonna go with what's faster. Not really lame when it saves a couple hours.

Endymion
12-10-2006, 11:54 PM
what does lossless mean?

lossless means exactly what it sounds like: no data loss. most audio encodings (mp3, wma, ogg, etc) are lossy, meaning they throw away some data for the sake of being smaller files. the fancy part is picking what data to throw away (ie stuff beyond audible ranges, or just a mushing up of the lower frequencies and cutoff of the higher ones). you can hear the difference, sometimes. it's mostly complete stuckup dicks who claim that lossy codecs sound vastly superior to lossless. sure, there's a difference, but it's fucking minor. you know the types. the same guys who claim that vinyl has better audio quality than cds because it's an analog encoding.

Llamas
12-11-2006, 12:03 AM
Ahh, I gotcha. I think wav sounds pretty much the same as others. I can hear differences, but nothing major enough to matter. And yeah, vinyl does sound better than cd... and cd better than mp3... but meh, it's a recording. It's a loss no matter what if recorded (to me). I'll go see them live if I want the effect of the best sound quality.

sKratch
12-11-2006, 04:52 AM
I gotta say, we're all pretty much faggots in this thread. All of us.

Little_Miss_1565
12-11-2006, 05:23 AM
Serious question, AAE--how are more than 3 of those file formats interesting or relevant at all?


ps: anyone who uses wma files is a fucking tool.


This is true. They have zero redeeming qualities.


I don't use them, but often times I've downloaded/received files in those formats.

tru dat


But yeah... I use a lot of file types (I don't see any point in converting everything I get from people or download), and like a player that supports them all.


Kind of assuming out of nowhere that they're mostly useless...

Um, no, because I asked it as a serious question, no one had anything to say about any of them being useful, so I asked it again, less seriously. The closest thing I got was that other people use them sometimes so it's an extra step to convert them. Thus I asked, why would anyone use them, then.