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Embodude2004
11-23-2006, 10:24 PM
Plus 44 can go to hell. I will never enjoy there music. Blink 182 was fucking awsome together but they had to be gay and break up. It's not the same without Tom, Also angels and airwaves just plain suck.

XYlophonetreeZ
11-23-2006, 11:55 PM
You're exceedingly worthless.

SkunkIt
11-24-2006, 03:09 AM
Blink 182 was fucking awsome

Nope. ten characters

Jakebert
11-24-2006, 09:43 AM
You're wrong twice.

1.) Blink 182 were not awesome.
2.) Pluss 44 is better than Blink 182.

Emily_offspring_fan
11-24-2006, 04:10 PM
At least Plus 44 is better than Angels and Airwaves, with those stupid spacy-sounds.

nameless
11-24-2006, 04:25 PM
+44 just sound like blink 182 with tom (obviously) at least tom went and did something original and different!

Camel Filters
11-24-2006, 04:37 PM
I liked blink 182. I like angles and airwaves first cd. And plus 44 is ok but not as good as Blink 192 and angles and airwaves. I like 5 or 6 songs on plus 44's album.

nieh
11-24-2006, 04:46 PM
at least tom went and did something original and different!

No he didn't.

0r4ng3
11-24-2006, 09:53 PM
I just downloaded the album, and I'm not disappointed from what I've been hearing so far. I guess this goes in the "guilty pleasures" aisle.

H1T_That
11-25-2006, 06:00 AM
They're nothing special.

Emily_offspring_fan
11-25-2006, 10:01 AM
at least tom went and did something original and different!
No, and it sounds horrible.


I liked blink 182. I like angles and airwaves first cd. And plus 44 is ok but not as good as Blink 192 and angles and airwaves. I like 5 or 6 songs on plus 44's album.
Angels and Airwaves. Blink 182.

Jakebert
11-25-2006, 10:22 AM
+44 just sound like blink 182 with tom (obviously) at least tom went and did something original and different!

This post made me lolz.

nameless
11-25-2006, 06:09 PM
This post made me lolz.

well it was meant to say "without tom". angels and airwaves sound completely different blink in my opinion for the others who commented!

Jakebert
11-25-2006, 06:58 PM
I wasn't loling at that, I was loling at you saying Angels and Airwaves are original.

nameless
11-27-2006, 04:36 PM
I wasn't loling at that, I was loling at you saying Angels and Airwaves are original.

are you saying they have just gone out and ripped off other bands then?!

Llamas
11-27-2006, 04:56 PM
You think that plus 44 ripped off other bands? who?

Yatesy
11-27-2006, 05:06 PM
They're both as original as each other...which isn't very original. I find both AVA and +44 to be very dull.

Jakebert
11-27-2006, 06:24 PM
are you saying they have just gone out and ripped off other bands then?!

I didn't say they ripped any bands off, but if you don't think they sound like 90% of the post-punk bands from the late 80's, then you haven't heard 90% of the post-punk bands from the late 80's.

AVA
11-28-2006, 06:31 AM
Angels and Airwaves sound like a bad U2, with hints of Blink in there. Angels and Airwaves are not original.

Mark's even admitted they're a straight forward rock band. They're not supposed to be original.

AtomMasnyk
11-28-2006, 09:47 AM
+44 is like Blink182, slowly trying to back away from punk

Llamas
11-28-2006, 12:44 PM
Plus 44 is not original, but they are not as horrible as AVA. AVA left the blink style, but hopped onto to a much more generic style. Plus 44 stuck more with the blink style, which is atleast a style that was more creative when blink did it than AVA could ever hope to be.

Ninty Man
11-28-2006, 03:55 PM
Well... I liked the single... and fuck, they're cool

AVA is so... COME ON... Blink hores, AVA is so lame, face it,and now please go to cry with your mama

nameless
11-28-2006, 04:00 PM
a reviewer at a live show said +44 sound like they play blink b-sides, not quite the real thing but not bad enough to discard.

you have to admit, the songs do sound very similar to blink 182, whereas ava did something different!

Llamas
11-28-2006, 04:05 PM
dude... tom used old demos from blink in some of the newest AVA songs. Plus, AVA still sounds like blink, only more mainstreamed and with spacey sounds.

0r4ng3
11-28-2006, 04:07 PM
I prefer Plus 44 - if nothing else - for their modesty. AVA was all like "Hey, look how awesome we're gonna be!", and then quickly faded to obscurity. Plus 44, however, was all like "Hey, look how we're gonna fade into obscurity", and then quickly faded to obscurity.

Llamas
11-28-2006, 04:17 PM
PS: both bands have horrible names.

Jakebert
11-28-2006, 04:22 PM
a reviewer at a live show said +44 sound like they play blink b-sides, not quite the real thing but not bad enough to discard.

you have to admit, the songs do sound very similar to blink 182, whereas ava did something different!

Just because it's different doesn't make it good. Tom tried something that he was incapable of pulling off, and the album completely sucked.

+44, while not amazing by any means, did something that they could do, and did it decentely. It's not anything that will be remembered as great or anything, but it's still a pretty fun album, which is a lot better than a dull, pretentious album that sounds like nothing but a bunch of U2 b-sides with a 10 year old singing the lyrics.

Llamas
11-28-2006, 04:35 PM
Well the thing is, AVA was DIFFERENT FROM BLINK 182. But it was NOT different from a ton of stuff that's been done before. Like Jakebert said, it was just like U2... so they didn't do anything DIFFERENT.

Apathy
11-28-2006, 04:54 PM
So I was watching a bunch of old live blink videos for some odd reason today.
And I'm embarrassed to say that I actually like them.

Emo, Voyeur, and Untitled are so damn catchy.

I absolutely hate AVA and I find +44 somewhat boring, but decent.

FrancoDaHui
11-28-2006, 07:11 PM
well it's obvious that AVA and +44 sound like blink, you know why? BECAUSE TOM AND MARK ARE IN THOSE FUCKING BANDS! deal with it

i prefer to judge the music, and i should say that plus 44 is WAAAY much better than AVA

Llamas
11-28-2006, 07:23 PM
moron. deathcab for cutie and postal service don't sound the same.

0r4ng3
11-28-2006, 07:26 PM
The same can be said for Minor Threat and Fugazi. I can see where he's coming from, though.

Jakebert
11-28-2006, 08:11 PM
So I was watching a bunch of old live blink videos for some odd reason today.
And I'm embarrassed to say that I actually like them.

Emo, Voyeur, and Untitled are so damn catchy.

Dude Ranch is one of my biggest guilty pleasures. I still listen to it every now and then, partly for nostalgia and partly because the songs were really damn catchy.

ACYD
11-28-2006, 08:13 PM
I loved blink-182, and I like +44 and AVA. I like AVA slightly less than +44, if only because +44 is still in the same genre as blink, while AVA kind of invented their own thing. Which I like it all, but of course like everyone else I'd rather have blink together. They clicked the way few bands do, and were the band of a generation. I hope another great band like them will come along.

Llamas
11-28-2006, 08:40 PM
AVA DID NOT INVENT ANYTHING. Get that through your head.

Ninty Man
11-28-2006, 10:50 PM
I loved blink-182, and I like +44 and AVA. I like AVA slightly less than +44, if only because +44 is still in the same genre as blink, while AVA kind of invented their own thing. Which I like it all, but of course like everyone else I'd rather have blink together. They clicked the way few bands do, and were the band of a generation. I hope another great band like them will come along.

Read the post above me... and pute all my hateness... you got now:

Jackass

Dr Appetite
11-29-2006, 12:30 PM
+44>Blink 182>Angels and Airwaves

Llamas
11-29-2006, 02:05 PM
well it depends on which era of blink. early blink was better than +44, and late blink was worse than AVA. I guess that evens out to center. I listened to the +44 album and I really like it. Still a shitty name, though.

Llamas
11-30-2006, 12:26 PM
double post... does anyone think that some Plus 44 songs sound a lot like Alkaline Trio's most recent style on "Crimson"? I could definitely picture A3 singing some of these songs.

Jakebert
11-30-2006, 01:14 PM
That's what I thought when I first listened to it. Without the electronic stuff, I could see that. Except the songs aren't nearly as catchy at the Alkaline Trio, but then again, few bands are that catchy.

Llamas
11-30-2006, 03:47 PM
I don't notice much electronic stuff in plus 44 at all, actually. Plus 44 seems most acoustic, though, and a bit more ballady than A3. But you're right... Plus 44 isn't nearly as catchy as A3. And Matt has a MUCH better voice than Mark. Matt's voice makes me want to have thousands of babies.

Apathy
11-30-2006, 07:06 PM
Skiba's voice is fucking ridiculous.
I can't stand it. It's just so boring and blends into the music too much. Half the time I forget there's even a lyrical part to their songs.

Llamas
11-30-2006, 09:12 PM
Skiba's voice is fucking ridiculous.
I can't stand it. It's just so boring and blends into the music too much. Half the time I forget there's even a lyrical part to their songs.

And that's the sign of a good vocalist. The voice isn't necessarily supposed to be the dominating feature in a band, but too many bands think so. I think that A3's music is great enough that they have nothing to hide under the vocals.



Matt Skiba is in one of the bands?

Heavens>Plus 44+AVA

Umm... please read my post before jakebert's last one.

Apathy
11-30-2006, 09:27 PM
And that's the sign of a good vocalist. The voice isn't necessarily supposed to be the dominating feature in a band, but too many bands think so. I think that A3's music is great enough that they have nothing to hide under the vocals.


I know that, that's not what I was saying.
Bands need to have subtle vocals, but every time I listen to Matt Skiba & Friends I practically tune him out completely. I either can't understand what he's saying or just block out his seemingly-awful voice.
A good vocalist should be subtle, but loud enough to pick out whenever you need to in a song.

Bottom Line: I hate Matt Skiba and I think he's a terrible singer. (and my tolerance is high. I like fucking Leftover Crack.) This is one point that no one will ever convince me otherwise. I have thought this since the first time I ever heard Alk3 and I still think it today. He has given me no proof to think of him otherwise.
Other than him though, I quite enjoy the band as a whole.

Llamas
11-30-2006, 09:31 PM
So, you like Dan Adriano's songs? I find his voice to blend more, because Matt has a very distinct voice in comparison to Dan's, because Dan's is a lot smoother. Most people don't like Matt's voice because of how it sounds, not because they can't hear it... weird.

Apathy
12-01-2006, 08:34 AM
I quite Enjoy Dan Adriano.

I think anyway. He's the bald one right? I don't remember much of Alk3, haven't seen them in a really long time.

EMehl6
12-04-2006, 09:43 PM
I've heard that Skiba's voice is majorly fixed with a computer during the recording process and he sucks ass live. I wouldn't know, I've just heard it. If his voice is really what's on the CD's, he has a very good voice.

As for (+44), I like them, the album was pretty good, with a few stand out tracks, nothing spectacular, but worth the buy. It's a pretty diverse album as far as rock goes. I still think blink was better, though.

AvA just totally blows. Tom is an arrogant, ego-ridden prick that jumped on the emo bandwagon. Every song, barring "The War", which is pretty decent, on that fucking album sounds the same. Shitty guitar parts over shitty basslines with way too much electronic spacey noises. Atom's drum parts were about the only semi-good parts. It's a shame Tom had to drag the rest of the guys in that band down with him, 'cause the rest of them are pretty good musicians.

jacknife737
12-05-2006, 08:50 AM
I've heard that Skiba's voice is majorly fixed with a computer during the recording process and he sucks ass live. I wouldn't know, I've just heard it. If his voice is really what's on the CD's, he has a very good voice.


ALK3 and Skiba are great live.

0r4ng3
12-05-2006, 11:52 AM
I don't mean to go off the topic that is Alkaline Trio in a Plus 44 thread, but did you hear Plus 44's cover of "Christmas Vacation", originally by The Descendents? Let's just say, it doesn't suck.

FrancoDaHui
12-05-2006, 07:12 PM
I don't mean to go off the topic that is Alkaline Trio in a Plus 44 thread, but did you hear Plus 44's cover of "Christmas Vacation", originally by The Descendents? Let's just say, it doesn't suck.

well then someone should upload it.... :D


and i think plus 44 are good, but it's nothing that we've never heard before

i recommend: baby come on, weatherman, chapter XX (i don't remember the fucking number) and cliff diving

EMehl6
12-06-2006, 03:31 PM
It's really good. Here it is: (+44) - Christmas Vacation [Descendents Cover] (http://www.sendspace.com/file/6528ku)

Llamas
12-07-2006, 10:47 PM
LOL at this tom delonge photo. So gay.

http://i.realone.com/assets/rn/img/7/4/1/6/9226147-9226153-slarge.jpg

Jakebert
12-08-2006, 04:40 AM
Oh, I get it. The guitar picks mean that he plays drums.

FrancoDaHui
12-08-2006, 09:36 AM
Oh, I get it. The guitar picks mean that he plays drums.

and that he's a fucking asshole

i tried to look at his photo without laughing but i couldn't

DexterWannabe
12-08-2006, 01:26 PM
their best song is when your heart stops beating and it sucks

FrancoDaHui
12-08-2006, 09:57 PM
their best song is when your heart stops beating and it sucks

then why do you say it's "their best" moron

Llamas
12-08-2006, 10:16 PM
it's like saying "best of the worst". It's like saying "all of their music sucks, but the best of the mess is when your heart stops beating". Wasn't much of a contribution to the discussion, but it makes sense.

Venom Symbiote
12-08-2006, 10:28 PM
I will kick this entire band in their collective nutsack.

My brother bought it apparently, looks like I'll have to present him with the pain too.

Llamas
12-08-2006, 10:30 PM
First of all, you do realize that the initial post of this thread was to rip on the band, yes?

Second of all, they're not anything fantastic, but I fail to see what's actually *horrible* about them.

Human
12-08-2006, 10:41 PM
I'm seriously getting sick of these extensions of Blink 182. I agree with you, they all suck.

WebDudette
12-08-2006, 10:44 PM
Do I just not listen to the radio or watch tv enough to notice these guys? This is about the only place I have seen them mentioned so there existance doesn't bother me at all. Same with AVA.

Apathy
12-08-2006, 10:47 PM
AVA are constantly on the radio around here, although I hate the radio and try not to listen to it unless I am Cd-less.

+44 seem to have less exposure, however I do see them on Fuse a lot when my brother watches it.

Llamas
12-08-2006, 10:49 PM
I'm seriously getting sick of these extensions of Blink 182. I agree with you, they all suck.

This I don't get... So, the members of Blink 182 go their seperate ways, and because you don't like Blink 182, you think that the members should just quit doing what they love? I don't equate plus 44 with ava. They sound very, very different to me, though they both have very different similarities with blink 182.

Apathy
12-08-2006, 10:52 PM
that reminds me:

"On November 29th, 2006, in the KROQ Christmas issue, frontman Tom DeLonge has discussed the possiblity of a blink-182 reunion to make their very last album, entitled "One For The Kids", then after the release the band will be officially over, thus ending the long-awaited hiatus that had started on February 17th, 2005 to May 2007.

Although very little information has been leaked so far, some fans are wondering how the bandmates are going to record the album, especially after the tension Mark and Tom have created from Tom's mysterious and 'unforgivable' leave. It is possible that the bandmates may put aside their issues and record the album together. Or, some specualte, the members will record a demo, leaving the studio for the other members of the band to continue/add more material to the track. "

http://www.punkbands.com/index.php?id=21063

Very possible that Tom realized that AVA isn't going over as well as he thought it would and he wants to try and go back to blink.
However, the article doesn't make it clear weather Mark and Travis even know about it so I'm not sure if it will actually happen.

Venom Symbiote
12-08-2006, 11:03 PM
Sounds like bullshit.

How many times has this band broken up, anyway? Two or three times now?

Whores.

Llamas
12-08-2006, 11:15 PM
Just one... minus the member switch they had in the very beginning.

Human
12-08-2006, 11:16 PM
Um, no, that's not what I meant. I like Blink 182, they're okay I suppose, but I hate the bands that they started, the new ones, they can't seem to get that "magic?" I guess back into they're music. I didn't know what else to say except for magic, best word I could think of.

Jakebert
12-09-2006, 09:11 AM
I highly doubt that anything at all will come out of this. With all of the things Mark has said in public about the whole thing, I don't see them being able to work on an album together.

But, this is the first time since I was 13 that I've been interested to hear a Blink 182 album. This could be interesting to hear.

Tijs
01-19-2007, 05:19 PM
Are any of you going to see them on the Euro tour?

I went to see them play in Amsterdam tonight and they played a very good show. They played the entire album and a cover for the encore. Travis played with one arm only and this was his last show on this tour, he's flying back to the US tomorrow to get it checked out again, someone else is filling in for him. He played the snare with both his left arm and left leg using one of them pedals.
Mark sounded great, I've heard him sing so very much out of tune, but he did great. And I noticed he bought the same pair of shoes I wear, we're both awesome.
At one point this guy jumped on stage and this HUGE black dude ran on stage and jumped on top of him and fell on the floor on top of the guy and threw him back in the crowd, that was fun to see.

Llamas
01-19-2007, 05:27 PM
I'm not surprised Plus 44 put on a good show. Mark and Travis seemed to always have the ability to perform well, but Tom was so bad and he was the lead vocals most of time... seemed like he brought them down a lot with his horrible guitar playing, horrible singing and bad stage presence. I'd totally go see Plus 44, and I'm glad you enjoyed the show. :)

Tijs
01-19-2007, 05:33 PM
They didn't do a US/Canadian tour, did they? Maybe they still will.

Tom's mainly the reason why I didn't go see AVA. I must say though, I was hoping to see Blink 182 play some day to see the crappy sense of humor Tom and Mark have together, I kind of enjoyed that when listening to bootlegs. I agree Tom's putting on a bad show musically, but he was very active and jumpy on stage, I like seeing that. Other than that his performance is pathetic.
Today we went up the balcony, sat on a bench and just leaned over the edge and actually watch the show, which was great.

http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/7517/blsf1.jpg
Picie, not taken by me but a friend of mine who turned out to be there as well.

Llamas
01-19-2007, 05:50 PM
I would go see them on the Euro tour, since I'll be in Austria starting on Feb 1st. :)

Tijs
01-19-2007, 06:31 PM
You're a week late then, they're playing in Austria January 22nd. Too bad, you're really missing out.

neocon58
01-19-2007, 07:09 PM
Plus 44 and Unwritten Law playing at the Thebby in March...how could I NOT want to go? Mind you i'm pretty pov at the moment. :(

Llamas
01-19-2007, 07:56 PM
You're a week late then, they're playing in Austria January 22nd. Too bad, you're really missing out.

Dang, well they should be around for a while I hope. Maybe I'll get around to seeing them someday.

Llamas
01-25-2007, 12:10 AM
Bumping an old thread... I just wanted to say that they're REALLY growing on me. I thought I'd like ava and hate +44, because I thought ava was going to try to be a lot different and new and +44 was going to sound just like Blink... but when listening to the harmonies and underlying dictations in the music, they've done some pretty creative stuff in their music... and ava sounds like a pile of generic and repetitive bullshit. But I've been listening to the +44 album a lot, and I'm quite a fan. I've had 155 stuck in my head SO MUCH lately. This album really proves that Mark was being inhibited in Blink 182 and actually has some talent in song-writing.

Tijs
01-26-2007, 08:03 AM
155 is definitely one of the best songs on the album. Also 'Lycanthrope' and 'Cliff Diving' are high on my list. I can't wait for their next video.

FrancoDaHui
01-26-2007, 03:13 PM
155 is definitely one of the best songs on the album. Also 'Lycanthrope' and 'Cliff Diving' are high on my list. I can't wait for their next video.

agreed, cliff diving is great and i'm really into weatherman and baby come on recently

do you know which song will be their new single?

Llamas
01-27-2007, 01:12 AM
are the current singles no it isn't and when your heart stops beating? I hope the next is either 155 or baby come on.

AVA
01-27-2007, 06:37 AM
are the current singles no it isn't and when your heart stops beating? I hope the next is either 155 or baby come on.

No It Isn't isn't a single, When Your Heart Stops Beating is. You people have got your wish, Baby Come On is the next U.S. single. Mark just announced it 2 days ago.

Forza
01-27-2007, 07:48 AM
Blink 182 is something you like when you are 14, but when you are older it just bores you to death. I have the same with +44. AVA is pretty okay I guess. Not that generic poppunk I've heard millions of times.

Grabbal
01-27-2007, 09:15 AM
AVA is gay and absolutely horrible music!!

Sorry, but I just hate em so bad..

0r4ng3
01-27-2007, 12:12 PM
AVA is gay and absolutely horrible music!!

Sorry, but I just hate em so bad..
Well, it's a good thing you said that in a Plus 44 thread. Yeah that totally made sense and was not at all retarded.

Llamas
01-28-2007, 02:26 AM
Blink 182 is something you like when you are 14, but when you are older it just bores you to death. I have the same with +44. AVA is pretty okay I guess. Not that generic poppunk I've heard millions of times.

Plus 44 = generic pop punk with clever harmonies and cool sounds, and songs of varying textures.
AVA = generic pseudo glam rock with Tom's fucking annoying voice, and songs that all sound the same.

Plus 44 > AVA, but both are generic.

Cool that Baby Come On is the next single. :) Much better song than "When Your Heart Stops Beating".

Acoustic1804
01-28-2007, 02:48 AM
Blink 182 is something you like when you are 14, but when you are older it just bores you to death. I have the same with +44. AVA is pretty okay I guess. Not that generic poppunk I've heard millions of times.

Sorry mate but it doesn't get much more "generic popunk" than When Your Heart Stops Beating.

Is Baby Come On the next single?

Which ever song it was gonna be, I was gonna be happy

Album full of pretty good songs

Llamas
01-28-2007, 02:50 AM
Umm, he said that Plus 44 is generic pop punk... he said AVA isn't. Learn to read.

Acoustic1804
01-28-2007, 02:25 PM
o-oh, spagettioes!

icklebabygremlin
01-28-2007, 07:39 PM
You're wrong twice.

1.) Blink 182 were not awesome.
2.) Pluss 44 is better than Blink 182.

too right

im going to see Plus 44 in feb

Ninty Man
01-29-2007, 12:16 AM
Plus 44 = generic pop punk with clever harmonies and cool sounds, and songs of varying textures.
AVA = generic pseudo glam rock with Tom's fucking annoying voice, and songs that all sound the same.

Plus 44 > AVA, but both are generic.

Cool that Baby Come On is the next single. :) Much better song than "When Your Heart Stops Beating".

Well... I like when your heart stops beating.

AVA will dissapear, right?

Emily_offspring_fan
02-01-2007, 05:48 PM
Baby, Come On & Little Death are the best songs in the album.

I don't know if this have been discussed here but I'm too lazy to read all the thread so, have you heard about Mark writing No, It Isn't for Tom?