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Duskygrin
11-25-2006, 12:31 PM
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JohnnyNemesis
11-25-2006, 12:39 PM
No one gives a shit about Greece anymore.

Sinister
11-25-2006, 12:41 PM
What, there was a time people cared about it ?

JohnnyNemesis
11-25-2006, 12:45 PM
While now, amongst the contenders are the Machu Pichu & the Statue of Liberty, which do not make me dream, but laugh.

This wasn't very polite at all, so I'd kindly ask you to go fuck yourself.


What, there was a time people cared about it ?

Yeah, but it's worthless now.

JohnnyNemesis
11-25-2006, 12:53 PM
I'll give a brief answer then.


It's just that the machu pichu sounds very funny to me.

Why the fuck should that matter if the actual wonder itself is so amazing? That makes no sense whatsoever.


I don't think the statue of liberty quite compares to the great wall of china, for inst.

I agree with you here. I don't really think the Statue of Liberty should even be considered, to be honest. It doesn't quite measure up to anything already in consideration.

coke_a_holic
11-25-2006, 01:11 PM
Considering The Hanging Gardens at Babylon didn't actually exist, I guess anything would be better than it on the list.

Machu Pichu would be a fine addition, but the Statue of Liberty is a joke of a suggestion.

coke_a_holic
11-25-2006, 01:13 PM
Alexander the Great just told the Greeks that it was a beautiful place and the poets and artists envisioned hanging gardens, so they wrote about them/painted them.

Sin Studly
11-25-2006, 01:16 PM
The 7 new Wonders of the World shall be decided upon come July, 2007. Such a pity. Out of the current 7 wonders, the vast majority comprises Greek ones, but unfortunately most of them have been destroyed.

Considering six of them are gone, ; four of which were gone so long ago that the only reason we think they existed is because of the stupid seven wonders list in the first place, I think it's time we update them. Oh and ; don't try to turn this into "zomg the Greeks r so great", the list was written by a fucking Greek in something like 300 BC ; before trains and postcards existed.

Oh, and change that avatar.

JohnnyNemesis
11-25-2006, 01:48 PM
Immaturity notwithstanding, the info was pretty accurate...

JohnnyNemesis
11-25-2006, 01:53 PM
I don't want to get too off-topic, but honestly, when it comes to the English language, YOU should NEVER condemn anyone for its misuse. EVER.

Bazza
11-25-2006, 01:53 PM
I was amazed when I went to Rhodes Town and asked the tour guide where the Colossus was, and she replied with "we don't actually know exactly where it was".

You would have thought they would have figured it out by now.

Linda
11-25-2006, 01:54 PM
I don't want to get too off-topic, but honestly, when it comes to the English language, YOU should NEVER condemn anyone for its misuse. EVER.

And with YOUR attitude, you should NEVER condemn anyone for ANYTHING.

JohnnyNemesis
11-25-2006, 01:58 PM
And with YOUR attitude, you should NEVER condemn anyone for ANYTHING.

drunks and drug addicts with no lives


I was amazed when I went to Rhodes Town and asked the tour guide where the Colossus was, and she replied with "we don't actually know exactly where it was".

That could have more to do with unpreparedness on the part of the tour guide than anything :D

Bazza
11-25-2006, 02:00 PM
That could have more to do with unpreparedness on the part of the tour guide than anything :D

That's what I thought initially, but then I couldn't find any signs or maps indicating where it used to be. All I got was that is was in that general area, useful!

Sin Studly
11-25-2006, 02:03 PM
a) Maria, just because your avatar is hideous doesn't mean you have to blame it on me.

b) They don't know where the Rhodes is because, like I said, the only reason we have to believe any of that shit existed is because of what some dead guy wrote in some book over 2000 years ago. Try finding the actual hill of Golgotha and you'll see what I mean.

Bazza
11-25-2006, 02:12 PM
Rhodes, Greece

Bazza
11-25-2006, 02:18 PM
The capital of Rhodes is Rhodes Town, shouldn't have asumed people would know that.

I wasn't expecting to see it, cause I knew it was long gone, but it would have been nice to have a good idea so I could imagine it there.

Bazza
11-25-2006, 02:27 PM
Maybe if it was still standing then it wouldn't be held in the same regard, it would just be another old statue, albeit a very large one.

I suppose that not actual knowing where it was may cast doubt over whether it actually existed.

Bazza
11-25-2006, 02:46 PM
"There has been much debate as to whether to rebuild the Colossus. Those in favour say it would boost tourism in Rhodes greatly, but those against construction say it would cost too large an amount (over 100 million euro). This idea has been revived many times since it was first proposed in 1970 but, due to lack of funding, work has not yet started. The plans for the Colossus have been in the works since 1998 by the Greek-Cypriot artist Nikolaos Kotziamanis. "

Obviously the Greek tourism board isn't happy with people imagining it!

And to answer your original question; I would keep the old 7 wonders, since it is now embedded into history. I wouldn't be the same creating a new list.

Bazza
11-25-2006, 03:09 PM
I don't see the need in creating a new list, and definately wouldn't want to see the 7 wonders forgotten. It would be like replacing a christmas tree with a cactus (somewhat a strange analogy, but i like it.)

Also in making the new list I bet they have strived to find possible wonders from all different cultures and regions, so as not to offend anyone, but creating a list of naff symbols. For example keeping Australia happy by including the Sydney Opear House, or India happy by including the Taj Mahal.

JoY
11-25-2006, 03:21 PM
if anyone's removing the great pyramid of Giza (acient world), the Colosseum, the great wall of China (medieval world), or the Victoria falls (natural wonder), I'm, I'm, I'm.. I'm gonna CRY. boo.:(

& it's not at all certain, or uncertain the Hanging Gardens of Babylon ever existed. after all, walls 25 meters thick were found on the river banks not too long ago around the spot the Hanging Gardens supposedly were positioned.

Bazza
11-25-2006, 03:23 PM
Duskygrin: That's probably the first time I've actually laughed at a post on here.

If someone somewhere does start the cactus trend i want a share of the profits!

coke_a_holic
11-25-2006, 03:27 PM
True, but Babylonian records don't say anything about any hanging gardens; any thing that was ever said about them was done by Greeks who had never actually been there, if my memory serves right.

Bazza
11-25-2006, 03:31 PM
"The Hanging Gardens probably did not really "hang" in the sense of being suspended from cables or ropes. The name comes from an inexact translation of the Greek word kremastos or the Latin word pensilis, which means not just "hanging” but "overhanging," as in the case of a terrace or balcony."

I don't see how unfeasible it is that they actually existed. At the end of the day it was a fancy garden with lots of terraces, where many exoctic plants were kept.

Bazza
11-25-2006, 03:35 PM
One google search later... and voila! An xmas cactus!

http://kaedrin.com/images/xmas_cactus.jpg

WebDudette
11-25-2006, 03:47 PM
Creatures kissing in the rain,
Shapeless in the dark again.
In the hanging garden,
Please don't speak.

JoY
11-25-2006, 04:17 PM
I don't see the need in creating a new list, and definately wouldn't want to see the 7 wonders forgotten. It would be like replacing a christmas tree with a cactus (somewhat a strange analogy, but i like it.)

Also in making the new list I bet they have strived to find possible wonders from all different cultures and regions, so as not to offend anyone, but creating a list of naff symbols. For example keeping Australia happy by including the Sydney Opear House, or India happy by including the Taj Mahal.

..a Christmas tree is usually an evergreen coniferous tree; this could be a Silver Fir (the original species), Nordmann Fir, Noble Fir, Norway Spruce (generally the cheapest), Serbian Spruce, Scots Pine, Balsam Fir, Fraser Fir, Grand Fir, Red Fir, Douglas-fir, Stone Pine (as small table-top trees), Giant Sequoia, Leyland Cypress, Eastern Juniper, Blue spruce, Virginia Pine, Eastern White Pine, Norfolk Island pine & in Australia some species of the genera Casuarina and Allocasuarina are also occasionally used as Christmas trees.

& yes, as you hopefully guessed I don't know all these trees by heart & copied this.

now.. what a Christmas tree should be & what you should use for a Christmas tree is not that specified, is it? it's even possible to make a tree of feathers, or get a de-fucking-signer tree. people even use PLASTIC trees these days for god's sake.

a Christmas tree originally was brought into the house on Christmas eve & removed the 6th of January. do we still? no. the Christmas tree has been a victim of such severe commercialisation, I wonder if there's been established why it even exists. there are several sources, that mention several uses of a tree around Christmas time, but why on earth do we dig out a tree, bring it into our homes & dress it up as unnaturally as possible & sit around it, exchanging presents today? the name suggests it has to do with the birth of baby Jesus, but I wonder if any single one of you thinks; "BABY JESUS' BIRTHDAY WHOO", when seeing a Christmas tree. no, you think hot coco, warm fire place, presents, vacation, skiing/snowboarding, optionally church, family-time.

the symbolism of the Seven Wonders of the World will never change. the Seven Wonders of the World.. were described & established as wonders... 2200 years ago. HULLO. & you compare them to a freakin' Christmas tree? any tree could be used as a Christmas tree. it doesn't even necessarily have to be a tree. it doesn't even need to be into your home at Christmas time, as long as it's there somewhere around Christmas time.

not many things could function as a fucking Wonder of the World. they shouldn't evereverever be forgotten, those Seven Wonders of the World. people whining that they're mainly Greek, well, doh, indeed the list was made by a Greek. that's why there are seven of them. but those were wondrous phenomenons non the less. even if the Hanging Gardens ("overhanging" it should be, yes) never existed, don't you think the entire story, belief & works of art, that came from that, are marvellous?

with six of them being gone & stuff, it's certainly not such a bad idea a new list is made. it won't ever replace the list of Seven World Wonders of the Acient World anyway. *shrug* you can't rewrite such a list, because well, it's not like we would actually know for sure what the Seven Great Wonders of the Acient World are/were. I guess someone from around that time is more reliable when it comes to that.

there are several lists of Seven Wonders of the World as it is, applied to several "worlds". for instance the Medieval World, the Natural Wonders of the World, there are even Seven Wonders of the Underwater World. so there's going to be a modern one, so what? it's not going to replace anything that was already established, so no one get their panties in a twist.

also, the Taj Mahal is one fantastic piece of architecture. including it is not "keeping India happy", that doesn't do it justice by FAR.

Bazza
11-25-2006, 04:24 PM
I was just making some loose examples, and wasn't trying to compare a christmas tree to the 7 wonders. I was simply pointing out that both are now part of a tradition and won't be replaced. Whilst people may choose alternate trees, they can also choose the alternate lists as you have mentioned, either way the originals will not be forgotten.

JoY
11-25-2006, 04:32 PM
the symbolism changed over time, the entire tree has changed over time.. the Seven Wonders of the World are supposed to be timeless & irreplacable. & they are. you can make a new list, but you can't replace the old. that's just.. wrong. it should be specified it's a new list.

you obviously can replace a Christmas tree. you say the originals won't be forgotten, but you're thinking about the image of the Christmas tree your parents brought into the house around Christmas time when you were just a tiny little boy. I'm a 100% certain you're not thinking about the origin of the Christmas tree, or the symbolism. you probably don't even know either one of those.

something that isn't a tree can function as a Christmas tree. obviously something that isn't a wonder can't function as a World Wonder.

ninthlayer
11-25-2006, 04:36 PM
Creatures kissing in the rain,
Shapeless in the dark again.
In the hanging garden,
Please don't speak.
Thank you.

JoY
11-25-2006, 04:42 PM
the great wall of China isn't in the same list as the others, but it doesn't matter one bit, so never mind.

JoY
11-25-2006, 04:49 PM
*scratches head* no it isn't.

never mind, it seriously doesn't matter.
when I was in Prague, I kept wondering why the Prague Orloj (/Prague Astronomical Clock) isn't included in any of those lists with its beauty & history.

Bazza
11-25-2006, 04:56 PM
JoY: I don't actually know the reason/explanation for the Christmas tree, but it is now embedded in our society, it would be very difficult to remove it completely from Western culture.

Maria: my real name is Barry, but that's to old fashioned for my liking, so it's either Bazza or Baz.

JoY
11-25-2006, 05:02 PM
exactly, keywords being "now", "our society" & "Western culture". I understand the reasons why you dragged it into comparison, I just didn't think it was right. it's nothing personal & please don't take it as a personal attack of some sort, but world wonders established 2200 years ago & our current Western concept of the Christmas tree? *weighs with both hands* I just couldn't not say anything.

Bazza
11-25-2006, 05:04 PM
Fair point, next time I'll put more thought into analogies. Though on reflection I really can't think of another one, maybe the 7 wonders are that great that they cannot be compared to anything?

JoY
11-25-2006, 05:11 PM
well, don't worry about it. the thought & picture of a Christmas cactus was quite amusing & at least Maria thought you hit the nail on the head with your comparison.

*scratches head* I seriously can't think of a good comparison, no. it would have to be timeless, independant of culture/place & irreplacable. I almost wanted to mention something nature-related, like the Grand Canyon, or Victoria falls, but then suddenly remembered those are world wonders too. *laughs* I guess that's why they're world wonders; they're so magnificent & mind blowing.. they can't be compared to anything else.

JoY
11-25-2006, 05:25 PM
the Seven Natural Wonders of the World aren't man-made, nor are the Seven Underwater Wonders of the World.

Bazza
11-25-2006, 05:27 PM
I'm struggling to think of a serious modern wonder that England has to offer. There's a lot of buildings here that have decent architecture etc. but nothing that really stands out.

Bazza
11-25-2006, 05:34 PM
Hehe, we have our strange ways.

I wouldn't classify Buckingham Palace as that great, we have many large stately homes dotted around the country, it just happens that Buck Palace is a royal one. At first Big Ben would come to mind, but then at the end of the day it's just a large clock! There's many buildings which are symbolic to England, but not to the rest of the World.

JoY
11-25-2006, 05:36 PM
I'm struggling to think of a serious modern wonder that England has to offer. There's a lot of buildings here that have decent architecture etc. but nothing that really stands out.

well, apparently we have the Delta Works/Netherlands North Sea Protection Works in the list of Seven Wonders of the Modern World:
http://www.asce.org/graphics/history/seven/neder.jpg
as for anything else.. I seriously wouldn't know.

Bazza
11-25-2006, 05:40 PM
Oh god, the channel tunnel is listed as a modern wonder! You can't even see it, it's just a tunnel. I think the modern list is more based on engineering achievements, rather than objects/buildings that make you go
"Wow".

JoY
11-25-2006, 05:45 PM
how stupid of me! yes, I forgot to mention it is. it doesn't make you go "wow", but you're able to go from Londen to Paris & back under-freaking-water before you can properly say "wow", though. it's pretty awesome, not to mention functional, but indeed, what you said.. the sight of it isn't anything like the sight of any of world wonders on the other lists.

Bazza
11-25-2006, 05:49 PM
Yeah, i've been on the Chunnel (as we call it), you can see sod all when you're in it. But it is damn quick for London to Paris.

JoY
11-25-2006, 05:55 PM
HAHAHAHAHA!!

I just realised we're communicating over a wonder, apparently. it was suggested to put the internet of all things into the new list of seven wonders of the world.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_Wonders_of_the_World

Bazza
11-25-2006, 05:59 PM
1 hour? isn't it?

Sadly it's about 2 and a half hours, due to having to go through the suburbs of London really slowly. The tunnel part itself only takes 20 minutes, going at around 100mph through it.

ninthlayer
11-25-2006, 06:01 PM
Seriously, why wasn't AIDS listed as one of the new wonders?

Bazza
11-25-2006, 06:03 PM
It's in the same list as the eiffel tower, the ugly eiffel tower.

I'd say it's pretty damn impressive

http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o320/bazza1987/180-Day2-EiffelTower.jpg

http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o320/bazza1987/182-Day2-UnderTheEiffelTower.jpg

With an amzing view:

http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o320/bazza1987/174-Day2-ViewFromTopOfEiffelTower.jpg

JoY
11-25-2006, 06:08 PM
I was looking for the Eiffel Tower in that last picture. *slaps forehead* so, so blonde...

0r4ng3
11-25-2006, 06:09 PM
I was looking for the Eiffel Tower in that last picture. *slaps forehead* so, so blonde...
I was looking for it also. Sadder still, I found it.

JoY
11-25-2006, 06:15 PM
what? where?

...are you trying to make me paranoid?

0r4ng3
11-25-2006, 06:16 PM
No, I was scrolling by it, and I noticed that long patch of street near the top at the center, and I was all "oh, look, it's the Eiffel Tower", and moved on. Then I saw your post and then I was all "woah, the Eiffel Tower's not in that picture?"

Bazza
11-25-2006, 06:16 PM
you know what Gustave Eiffel said? "I left Paris, & even France, because the Eiffel Tower bored me so." I always thought it a sweet thing to say.

A bit unfortunate that he'll only be remembered for a tower.

And on L'arc de Triomphe, it's just a box with an arch in the middle!

http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o320/bazza1987/071-Day2-ArcDeTriomphe.jpg

JoY
11-25-2006, 06:19 PM
noesss, you don't get it! L'arc de Triomphe is fantastic! well, I like it anyway.

JoY
11-25-2006, 06:20 PM
No, I was scrolling by it, and I noticed that long patch of street near the top at the center, and I was all "oh, look, it's the Eiffel Tower", and moved on. Then I saw your post and then I was all "woah, the Eiffel Tower's not in that picture?"

hahahahaha!! oh my god, <3333. you made me stare at that picture for minutes, do you realise that?

0r4ng3
11-25-2006, 06:26 PM
So, you looked for it again, even after you established that it wasn't there in the first place? lolz @ u

Bazza
11-25-2006, 06:27 PM
I have seen it, the engravings are pretty impressive, but something I found more moving was probably the cemetries and first world war memorials in France and Belgium. The amount of white gravestones makes you realise the scale of the war.

http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o320/bazza1987/20-110401-NotreDamedeLoretteCemeter.jpg
http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o320/bazza1987/01-090401-TyneCotCemetery.jpg

JoY
11-25-2006, 06:29 PM
So, you looked for it again, even after you established that it wasn't there in the first place? lolz @ u

I thought someone had put it in a 145 degree wash & it shrunk?

Bazza
11-25-2006, 06:32 PM
Quite possibly the most moving part was The Last Post at the Menin Gate. A very thought provoking moment.

Bazza
11-25-2006, 06:45 PM
Sadly, I didn't have time to go there (Versailles). It was on my to-do list, but unfortunately I was only in Paris for 4 days. I know a bit about France, been 4 times, and studied the language for 5 years though I've forgotten a fair bit.

Possibly a candidate for England, where I live!
http://www.stamford.co.uk/

Little_Miss_1565
11-25-2006, 07:02 PM
Machu Pichu would be a fantastic addition to the wonders of the world. It's one of those things that wouldn't have been considered because of all the racial questions that come up with it--can an indigenous nonwhite society really make soemthing we white imperialists can call a wonder of the world? And I think that's the sort of thing worth considering with this 21st century hindsight we have.

The Statue of Liberty being nom'd had to have been someone's idea of a joke, or someone being seriously imbalanced. We took the Staten Island Ferry to lok at it when we had SOAP weekend, and we were thoroughly disappointed. There's no way it could, if animated somehow, walk along the river bottom and into Manhattan a la Ghostbusters. I'd nominate the Manhattan skyline though--driving in at night from Jersey is fucking breathtaking. It's this colossus of hundreds of years of the best and the worst of mankind.


Creatures kissing in the rain,
Shapeless in the dark again.
In the hanging garden,
Please don't speak.

FTFW.

Bazza
11-25-2006, 07:08 PM
Shakespeare was from Stratford-upon-Avon.

My home is Stamford, "The finest stone town in the country". They used our town in the recent Pride and Prejudice film, and its been used in many others.

Sadly being quaint makes it very boring for young people :(

JoY
11-25-2006, 07:11 PM
Machu Pichu would be a fantastic addition to the wonders of the world.

I agree. every picture I've seen of it was just breathtaking, mind blowing & like "whoa!".

Bazza
11-25-2006, 07:17 PM
Mistake forgiven, and your English is pretty damn good, miles better than what my French would be at this time.

I wish it was shilling for a pint, it's about £2.80 now (5euros).

How typical is this, we had a protest march to try and keep our hospital open:

http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o320/bazza1987/STA60021.jpg

Bazza
11-25-2006, 07:29 PM
That's the English for ya!

It is very late, amazing where the time goes,

Bonne nuit

edit: BTW I've followed your suggestion!

JoY
11-25-2006, 07:41 PM
Maria, speaking of pints;
in the Netherlands you can order a "fluitje", which translated means "little flute". it looks like this;
http://www.arpat.com/bier/images/Fluitje.gif
& it's good for 20cl or beer. less aromatic beers with less alcohol, because the glass wouldn't do a more aromatic beer justice, seeing the form.

you can also order an "Amsterdammertje", also called "vaasje", which is literally translated to "little person from Amsterdam", or "little vase".
http://www.arpat.com/bier/images/Amsterdammer.gif
it can contain, depending on the size, 23cl (the one in the picture above), 25cl, 30cl, or 33cl of beer.

then there's the "stapel", which literally means "pile" in English. the glasses shaped like the 'pile' are easy to pile up, which it got its name from.
http://www.arpat.com/bier/images/Stapelglas.gif
it comes in all different sizes.

I know, it's nuts. I thought it might be useful if you decide to go to Amsterdam one day.

ninthlayer
11-25-2006, 07:48 PM
We took the Staten Island Ferry to lok at it when we had SOAP weekend, and we were thoroughly disappointed. There's no way it could, if animated somehow, walk along the river bottom and into Manhattan a la Ghostbusters.
Hi, I am in love with you.

Bazza
11-25-2006, 07:50 PM
In France I ordered a grande bière, the same as a Pint (aprox 55cl), and got this:

http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o320/bazza1987/319-Day4-CafeAtTheSacreCour.jpg

Rag Doll
11-25-2006, 07:50 PM
Hi, I am in love with you.

yes, me too, most definitely.

JoY
11-25-2006, 08:04 PM
Hi, I am in love with you.

I heartz 1565 & you. you for quoting it, or else I'd probably missed it in this sleepless & sleepy state.

Little_Miss_1565
11-25-2006, 08:50 PM
Awww, thanks guys! LOVE Y'ALL TOO. AT THE SAME TIME.

The "grande biere" looks like the sort of glass a good American bar serves Stella Artois in. I don't think Stella is actually French though... or is it? Anyway. I like ordering a hefeweisse

http://home.bn-paf.de/staengl/Bilder/altbairische.jpg

Half a liter of awesome German wheat beer. Mmmmm. DEFINITELY a worthy wonder of the world.

PS--Drunks or drug addicts

WebDudette
11-25-2006, 08:53 PM
Lawl, the 7 wonders of the world thread became a discussion about 1565 <3 and huge beers.

Little_Miss_1565
11-25-2006, 08:54 PM
Lawl, the 7 wonders of the world thread became a discussion about 1565 <3 and huge beers.

Hahaha, like all good conversation should. ;)

WebDudette
11-25-2006, 08:55 PM
Heh, true.

Rag Doll
11-25-2006, 08:56 PM
to incorporate both..

this one night, in a bar, i tried a pretty good beer (in a decent sized glass) called Blue Moon...and got to spend time with Miss Hotness herself, 1565. soyeah, i rule.

Little_Miss_1565
11-25-2006, 08:57 PM
Blue Moon = wheat beer = <333333

Seriously, that day was like a high point of my life. Can we deem a day to be a wonder of the world?

Italia311
11-25-2006, 09:20 PM
If they do not exist anymore, than make a new list..what the heck. Think my kids will know wtf they are? I don't.

What the hell isn't anything from Rome on it. What a shit list. Romans were clearly better than Greeks.

Marco
11-26-2006, 02:11 AM
If they do not exist anymore, than make a new list..what the heck. Think my kids will know wtf they are? I don't.

What the hell isn't anything from Rome on it. What a shit list. Romans were clearly better than Greeks.
the Colosseum has to be there...

Bazza
11-26-2006, 05:19 AM
Ça va bien merci, et vous?

I think beer drinking is part of the English way of life, that's why I could easily drink several grandes Bières! And yes, that is a cappucino, albeit a very fancy and cream laden one.

Bazza
11-26-2006, 06:13 AM
I wasn't too sure whether to use "tu" or "vous", but remembering from what my french teacher told me I used "vous" as it's polite, but then I guess when they teach you a langauge they can never get across all the intricacies that a native speaker knows. I can see the confusion with "vous" polite singular, and "vous" normal plural, I guess all languages have their strange quips.

It reminds me of the time I was talking to a Russian, they explained that we are tought a very formal and proper way of speaking Russian, something which sounds odd to them and doesn't flow easily, but they can still understand it.

I think I have heard of Perrier, I think we stock it at the shop I work in. Although I don't think it's in a fancy bottle, probably just an import designed for us? Though I'm sure when I'm next in France I will sample it!

Bazza
11-26-2006, 06:52 AM
Hehe. I learnt French at school from the age of 11, and finished when I was 16 (or at GCSE level, if you know what that is??). I took Russian on when I was 13, again at school, and carried it on until I was 18 (A Level, again if you understand our grading system?). So I'd say my Russian is better than my French, since I learnt it to higher standard. I dropped French mainly because there was other subjects I wanted to carry on, plus my Russian teacher bribed me to continue with coffee and biscuits!!

Russian is surprisingly a simple language once you get over the alphabet. There aren't as many complexities with verb and noun endings, making learning vocab the key, however colloquialisms are commonly used and vary from region to region (something we're never taught).

So techniqually I'm not learning either anymore. I also tend to learn basic words if I go anywhere abroad, so as not to appear arrogant or disrespective of that country.

Lodat225
11-26-2006, 08:37 AM
Duskygrin's avatar scares me.

JohnnyNemesis
11-26-2006, 10:05 AM
So. Fucking. VAPID.


...sorry *zips my no-good mouth shut*

Bazza
11-26-2006, 10:06 AM
I think from an englishmen's point of view we are too quick to assume everyone speaks English abroad. In Paris there was an American infront of me in the queue for the Eiffel Tower. He strides up to the desk and says in his american drool "four tickets for the top", assuming the French person in the ticket booth would understand. Now how hard is it to get a phrase book and learn Je voudrais quartre billets, sil vous plait!

When I was in Turkey I said thankyou in Turkish ("teshekur yederim") and the waiters were amazed, and asked me to repeat it several times!

Apparantly I look slightly eastern european, my grandad came from Ukraine. And as for the Russian teacher, she came from Germany!

JohnnyNemesis
11-26-2006, 03:55 PM
I was referring to the pretentious language you were using, not the actual content of the conversation.

Italia311
11-26-2006, 04:38 PM
I think the understanding is that you would expect someone working a tourist attraction...a very popular one at that, to speak more than just French. Besides, even if he did speak French, I am sure you or someone else would of had something to say about the way he said it.

Oh and, if anything, turkish people should accomadate us...they're slime. They are almost worse than Albanians :) Slime...

Bazza
11-26-2006, 05:07 PM
I think the understanding is that you would expect someone working a tourist attraction...a very popular one at that, to speak more than just French.

No, my point is that tourists, visiting other countrys, should make more of an effort. You should never assume that everyone can speak English, and be prepared to try to converse in their native language.

Italia311
11-26-2006, 06:16 PM
Why...I have had british people come up to me while in Italy and start talking English...I was delighted to help them. Europe is so close together I wouldn't expect a traveler to learn the languages, It is a tourist area!!. You could be in 2 differ countries in the same day.

Bazza
11-26-2006, 06:34 PM
But wouldn't you have appreciated them trying to speak to you in Italian?
I'm not suggesting people aim to become fluent, more just learn some basics.

Little_Miss_1565
11-26-2006, 06:41 PM
There are many who feel a bit offended when an anglo comes in and butchers the fuck out of their native language.

Bazza
11-26-2006, 06:46 PM
Yeah but they get over it and can even correct you.

Italia311
11-26-2006, 06:46 PM
Lets just put it this way. I would rather my girlfriend not talk to me at all, then try and speak Italian..she just cannot do it. She cant roll her R's dammit!!!

I would prefer the person to speak to me in whatever language they are most comfortable in. If we did not understand each other I would shrug and walk away. Language is a confidence thing more than it is knowledge...if u know what I mean..

Bazza
11-26-2006, 06:55 PM
Ok, maybe it's just me that feels like i'm being slightly rude if I was to speak english and not make an effort to converse in the native language.

Italia311
11-26-2006, 07:11 PM
Possibly...I grew up in a place where the native language wasn't my first language :\

Anywho...I should be on the next 7 wonders of the world list.

xeden
11-26-2006, 08:44 PM
i'm half greek , buyt even i can admit that all that history is crumbling away bring on the new.

Camilamazed
11-26-2006, 10:16 PM
I think Amazon Forest nowadays should be considered as a wonder of the world and also the Moais from Isla de Pascua in Chile.

They're awesome and have a completely misterious history as well as the Egyptian pyramids. Plus, they're beautiful

http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/7164/moaisisladepascuaev2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/7516/moaismarqm7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Sin Studly
11-27-2006, 05:55 AM
You newest avatar is inoffensive. Please keep it.

calichix
11-27-2006, 01:05 PM
yes, me too, most definitely.


ditto. I want to have a manhattan singalong with you all day and all night.

Bazza
11-28-2006, 02:00 PM
Ok, so I raided my photo album:

http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o320/bazza1987/vDSC00061.jpg
http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o320/bazza1987/STA60082.jpg
http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o320/bazza1987/145-.jpg
http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o320/bazza1987/135-.jpg

10 points to anyone who can name all 4.

Bazza
11-28-2006, 02:12 PM
yup, 2.5 points

Bazza
11-28-2006, 02:32 PM
I guess they are all in the same style, but I like it (hence all the pictures, proberly my weakness, I took 350 photo's in 4 days whilst in Paris!).
A few clues maybe

1 - A House - Doubt you'll get this one (It's near where I'm from)
2 - A Cathedral (Again unlikely you'll get this one)
3 - A Castle (Proberly more likely to get this one)
4 - London Bridge (You got it)

RickyCrack
11-28-2006, 03:08 PM
1. bazza's a fag
2. bazza's a fag
3. bazza's a fag
4. bazza's a fag
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