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Bazza
12-12-2006, 07:35 PM
I had a quick search and couldn't find any threads of worth, so I created this.

I've only recently been introduced to jazz, after going to see a friend of a friend's band, and found it rather catchy stuff. So I had to search for some decent jazz. So far I think my favourite jazz song is Miles Davies' So What. Obviously Take 5 is a classic, but maybe a little overplayed?

So I was wondering if anyone else likes jazz, and if so is there any good songs/artists that you could recommend.

Llamas
12-12-2006, 07:44 PM
Who doesn't love jazz? Srsly.

Stan Getz (tenor sax, latin jazz)
Chick Corea (keys, latin jazz)
Charlie Parker (alto sax, improv)
John Coltrane (tenor sax, mostly improv)
Django Reinhardt (ala endy) (guitar)
Dexter Gordon (alto sax, softer jazz)
Charlie Byrd (guitar, latin jazz)
Dave Brubeck (and not just take five) (keys)
Winton Marcailas (trumpet)

coke_a_holic
12-12-2006, 07:53 PM
The entire cd "Some Kind of Blue" by Miles Davis is AMAZING, if you like So What, then I suggest getting it; the other songs on it are just as good, if not better.

I dunno if what I like is strictly jazz, but I like my music to have jazz elements, at least. Be it the same kind of shuffle beat, or the chord changes and key changes/passing tone usage. I just like the feeling of jazz, though sometimes I feel like it's not progressive enough. I like jazz that feels like it's going somewhere rather than just sitting in one spot. I dunno, it has to sound good, haha.

Bazza
12-12-2006, 07:56 PM
Thanks for the suggestions.

I listened to a variety of jazz (many random songs) to get a feel for it, and Miles Davies definately stood out. A couple of random songs had singing, but I felt that didn't sound right (I actually like a lot of instrumental music, be it jazz or any other genre).

T-6005
12-12-2006, 08:32 PM
Scott Hamilton is fucking awesome.

Jebus
12-12-2006, 08:38 PM
I mostly listen to pussy ass guitar oriented white man's jazz fusion. Check out Mahavishnu Orchestra and Al DiMeola.

coke_a_holic
12-12-2006, 08:47 PM
I mostly listen to pussy ass guitar oriented white man's jazz fusion. Check out Mahavishnu Orchestra and Al DiMeola.
Btw, I've decided that I like Al DiMeola. Gimme more plzthx.

Also, get the Mahavishnu Orchestra stuff immediately, Bazza. It's damned good.

Apathy
12-12-2006, 08:54 PM
ColtraneColtraneColtraneColtraneColtraneColtrane.

I also enjoy Miles Davis, mostly because we share a name. It's somewhat cool actually. I'm known for liking ska music in my school, and I have a shirt with a trumpet on it that says Miles.

Of course, Miles Davis doesn't actually have many ska influences but I'm not actually a fan of his music persay, just his name.

Endymion
12-12-2006, 09:01 PM
i mostly listen to avant jazz...

sun ra, john zorn, ken vandermark, dave douglas, etc etc.

opivy21
12-13-2006, 04:20 AM
Miles Davis, John Coltrane, Ornette Coleman - They're all good. My two favorites would probably be Thelonius Monk and Charles Mingus.

Bazza
12-13-2006, 04:54 AM
ok, I've listened to Some Kind Of Blue, and I'll agree it's pretty damn good! As for The Mahavishnu Orchestra, well it was pretty unexpected. I probably wouldn't classify it as jazz (in terms of how I imagine jazz). It's more funk/rock like, but I still like it. I definitely like the track Miles Beyond.

I'm guessing jazz is an overall genre, that covers many sub-genres (you'll have to forgive me, I'm still learning).

Llamas
12-13-2006, 06:17 PM
ColtraneColtraneColtraneColtraneColtraneColtrane.

I also enjoy Miles Davis, mostly because we share a name. It's somewhat cool actually. I'm known for liking ska music in my school, and I have a shirt with a trumpet on it that says Miles.

Of course, Miles Davis doesn't actually have many ska influences but I'm not actually a fan of his music persay, just his name.

Sorry, but that's just horrible. :-/ Oh, and "many" ska influences? He completed his entire career before ska was even around. He had NO ska influences.


ok, I've listened to Some Kind Of Blue, and I'll agree it's pretty damn good! As for The Mahavishnu Orchestra, well it was pretty unexpected. I probably wouldn't classify it as jazz (in terms of how I imagine jazz). It's more funk/rock like, but I still like it. I definitely like the track Miles Beyond.

I'm guessing jazz is an overall genre, that covers many sub-genres (you'll have to forgive me, I'm still learning).

No... it's really not. Mahavishnu Orchestra isn't jazz. It's rock with elements of jazz infused. There are different types of music that can be classified as jazz, but that group definitely does not qualify.

Jebus
12-16-2006, 09:30 PM
Btw, I've decided that I like Al DiMeola. Gimme more plzthx.
I have mix feeling about whether or not you'll like his other stuff. He's actually more Latin/world music/flamenco influenced than jazz. I must also note that he may be a little bit to "shreddy" for your tastes at times.

The Wizard
http://www.sendspace.com/file/wjflx8
Flesh On Flesh
http://www.sendspace.com/file/73h1l8
Race with devil on spanish highway
http://www.sendspace.com/file/i32z4d

and some acoustic stuff
Super Guitar Trio(Al Dimeola, Larry Coryell, Bireli Lagrene) - Medley-Orient Blue, Rhapsody of Fire
http://www.sendspace.com/file/ir3zdh
Guitar Trio (Al Dimeola, John Mclaughlin, Paco de Lucia) - Lat Estiba
http://www.sendspace.com/file/iuo6ew

Apathy
12-16-2006, 09:55 PM
Sorry, but that's just horrible. :-/ Oh, and "many" ska influences? He completed his entire career before ska was even around. He had NO ska influences.



I know he doesn't have any ska influences... I just used to word many in order to generalize so that I could avoid pissy arguments from people that don't know what they are talking about.
Looks like It ended up spawning a remark about it anyway though, so failz.

And why is that horrible?

coke_a_holic
01-10-2007, 04:07 PM
I wouldn't dare consult the "where do I start?" thread for this because no one there would help.

Anyone know any outstanding Charlie Parker tunes I should check out? I'm downloading a 4 cd live collection and Bird n Diz[zy Gillespie] and wondering if there's anything else that I should check out. Please and thanks to whoever responds.

opivy21
01-10-2007, 05:40 PM
Charles Mingus - Fables of Faubus

It's not really similar to Charlie Parker or Dizzy, but it's probably my favorite jazz song ever. It's great.

Llamas
01-10-2007, 05:47 PM
I wouldn't dare consult the "where do I start?" thread for this because no one there would help.

Anyone know any outstanding Charlie Parker tunes I should check out? I'm downloading a 4 cd live collection and Bird n Diz[zy Gillespie] and wondering if there's anything else that I should check out. Please and thanks to whoever responds.

oh man. If I could, I'd totally recommend you grab these two Parker albums: Forever Gold, and Bird Lives! Forever Gold is the best collection of his best work, IMO. I love Koko, I Can't Get Started, Moose the Mooche, and Constellation. But if you can grab those two albums, I totally recommend it!

Agatio
01-10-2007, 05:48 PM
These bands you guys are mentioning are cool and all that jazz.:D

Llamas
01-10-2007, 05:51 PM
Most of the aren't bands...

Agatio
01-10-2007, 05:52 PM
Most of the aren't bands...

Great. Trying to ruin a pun. You take all the fun of out everything. You must love doing that.

Llamas
01-10-2007, 05:54 PM
It wasn't a good pun, though.

I'm gonna listen to Dexter Gordon when I get home.

I should upload my Snowblind album for you guys... it's damn good.

Bazza
01-10-2007, 05:55 PM
Great. Trying to ruin a pun. You take all the fun of out everything. You must love doing that.

Sadly, it's a shit pun.

noodlesfan
01-10-2007, 06:07 PM
Does Captain Beefheart and the Magic Band count as jazz?

coke_a_holic
01-10-2007, 06:18 PM
oh man. If I could, I'd totally recommend you grab these two Parker albums: Forever Gold, and Bird Lives! Forever Gold is the best collection of his best work, IMO. I love Koko, I Can't Get Started, Moose the Mooche, and Constellation. But if you can grab those two albums, I totally recommend it!

Sweet, thanks! I'll be sure to keep a look out for them. I've been listening to 30 second clips from the songs Ornothology and Koko and I think I'm in love without ever even hearing the rest of them.

Apathy
01-10-2007, 06:35 PM
He completed his entire career before ska was even around.



I don't know why I didn't comment on this before, but - NO.
Do not speak of which you do not know. Ska music orignated in the 50's and 60's. Miles Davis was popular in the 60's and 70's.

I apologize if this comes off as haughty or something. But it is my favorite genre and I hate it when people claim things when they don't even know much about the subject.

Llamas
01-10-2007, 06:48 PM
Sweet, thanks! I'll be sure to keep a look out for them. I've been listening to 30 second clips from the songs Ornothology and Koko and I think I'm in love without ever even hearing the rest of them.

If you can't find those albums, let me know and I'll upload them. :)

Apathy
01-10-2007, 08:05 PM
I can't help but wonder what I did deserving of an ignore....

On Topic: I just bought John Coltrane - My Favorite Things and it is probably my favorite jazz album at this point. I don't know much about the genre obviously, but I feel that this is a great starting point if anyone else is looking for an entry.

leo3375
01-13-2007, 07:11 PM
Okay, since I played trumpet in my school days, I'm biased toward trumpet players. Louis Armstrong, Miles Davis, Dizzy Gillespie, Wynton Marsalis, and Arturo Sandoval are my favorites. I've been told to check out Clifford Brown.

And stay the hell away from Chris Botti! Sure, he's good at ballads, but that's pretty much it.

Jakebert
01-14-2007, 12:51 PM
I've been looking for some really good jazz piano lately, but haven't had much luck. Anyone care to help?

Also, is Vince Guaraldi any good? All I've heard is the stuff he did for Peanuts, and I haven't been impressed, but I figured his other work might be better.

opivy21
01-14-2007, 05:16 PM
Thelonious Monk is awesome at piano.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=3ZcQdE7GUxI

barangatang
01-14-2007, 10:14 PM
Mike Stern and Duke Ellington.

JoY
01-15-2007, 04:08 AM
I thought I'd made a jazz-thread in the past? oh well.

* Stéphane Grappelli; violin
* Michel Petrucciani; piano
* Django Reinhardt; guitar
* Duke Ellington; piano & vocals
* Louis Armstrong; trumpet & vocals
* Ella Fitzgerald; vocals

the first two & the last two often performed together. also Django & Stéphane performed together lots of times. all of the artists mentioned are absolutely fucking phenomenal. I'm fairly sure you'll recognise a few of the following songs:

Ella Fitzgerald:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2f/Ellafitzgerald.jpeg/180px-Ellafitzgerald.jpeg
Louis Armstrong:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e3/Louis_Armstrong_NYWTS.jpg/180px-Louis_Armstrong_NYWTS.jpg
* in the category of Louis & Ella;
- http://download.yousendit.com/C5C4184046815D08
- http://download.yousendit.com/414D88E971A7A55C
- http://download.yousendit.com/F9310ECD084EC011
(I hope that last one worked, it's Ain't Got Nothing But The Blues, it uploaded suspiciously fast)
also check out They Can't Take That Away From Me.

Michel Petrucciani:
http://www.jazzprofessional.com/images/Michel%20Petrucciani_2.jpg
that's right, he's one of those little guys. basically people don't come any smaller, or more deformed. this is his most flattering picture.
Django Reinhardt & Stéphane Grappelli:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/27/Django%26Grappelli.jpg
* in the category of Django Reinhardt, Stéphane Grappelli & Michel Petrucciani;
- http://download.yousendit.com/1CE4400B5FF710F3
- http://download.yousendit.com/433F2F46086DD698 (suitable for slow dance)
- http://download.yousendit.com/C6AA6DEB72F9F2D5
- http://download.yousendit.com/6C4F857C26EB4D91
- very Django; Minor Swing: http://download.yousendit.com/959014395077C209

don't have any Duke Ellington on this computer.

Edit; get them while they're fresh- the uploads, or else they'll expire.

Tom
01-15-2007, 04:10 AM
Level 42 is pretty cool, amazing bassist too. :P

Bazza
01-15-2007, 04:15 AM
Thanks for the files JoY, currently attempting to download them (my internet's being tempermental). I searched for other Jazz threads, but couldn't find any, odd?!

JoY
01-15-2007, 04:33 AM
also names that deserve to be mentioned:
* Etta James; vocals
http://download.yousendit.com/4212C3C61ACE6668
http://download.yousendit.com/1A8BBCE423D634C6
* Biréli Lagrène; guitar (as mentioned earlier)
http://download.yousendit.com/A8F2C3CF26664D9E
* Dizzy Gillespie; trumpet (as mentioned earlier)
http://download.yousendit.com/414E609738DE538A

& you're welcome. =) let me know what you think.

Bazza
01-15-2007, 05:06 AM
I've decided that Stephane Grapelli is an amazing musician!!

I know this doesn't really belong here, but I think you guys might be able to help, I was wondering if anyone knows of any decent cuban influenced artists?
I've got the Buena Vista Social Club album, plus some Manu Chao and Compay Segundo, but are there any other artists? I really need more of this sort of music, plus jazz, because it's so easy to listen to!

JoY
01-15-2007, 05:44 AM
that's funny, because I was thinking about posting some Buena Vista Social Club, but then thought; "oh he's probably got that & it's Cuban music, not so much jazz". we have loads of cd's of (unknown) Cuban artists at my parents; we went to Cuba, started in Havana, then travelled around, & every time we saw a band play (which was about three times every day), we bought their cd, if they had one. I can't help you with this information now, though.

it's funny how much different music styles from different countries & different periods of time can be alike in some ways. at the same time it's logical. you should look into African music. the roots of most Cuban music lie partially in Africa. (African slaves & all that.. jazz, lolz) Cuban music has developed itself into something different, but you'll be absolutely amazed how much the two can sound alike, if you pay close attention. then the inspiration Cuban music was for jazz, the salsa, Argentinian tango... the list just keeps on going. makes sense, right? but also gypsy music, for some reason often has so many things in common with jazz. it's probably because it's based on improvising & emotions. all of the music styles mentioned can't ever be the same, though.

I'll see what I can do for you.
http://download.yousendit.com/BD1ED25064D475D0
http://download.yousendit.com/738429447590125C -the Gipsy Kings<33. not exactly from Cuba, but you get the feel. they're from France, but originally from Spain, like Manu Chao.

Bazza
01-15-2007, 06:37 AM
I can definitely see where you are coming from. I guess at the end of the day most music is going to have deep-rooted connections with other genres, it's merely a progression of time and music being interpreted in different ways by different artists.

I thought this forum would be the best to ask about cuban music since most people who have posted in here tend to have a good grasp/interest in "alternative" music (I say alternative in respect to the fact that the majority of people who post on these boards will have musical tastes mainl in the punk/rock genres, I may be wrong though).

Those two tracks I really like. The Gipsy Kings track I remember fondly, however it's great to be reminded of it! The only African esque artist that I know is Ali Farka Toure, have you heard of him? Apparantly he went to the same school as what my housemate did! (althogh at different times!).

JoY
01-15-2007, 06:47 AM
I'm not so much interested in punk actually. it all depends on the artist/band/musician. sometimes I like rock, sometimes I like pop, most of the times I like jazz, including Cuban, African & gipsy music, & also classical, sure. even forms of techno & electro I can appreciate & yes, there are times I like punk-ish music.

I've heard of him. I can't think of how/why.

the Gipsy Kings are awesome & of course you know them. you should. =)

it's seriously interesting that, when it comes to shitloads of fantastic genres in music, you'll find the roots in Africa. those people know rhythm so well, it plays a huge part in their culture & the voice.. the timbre of the voice of an African person gives me chills every time.

nieh
01-15-2007, 06:55 AM
those people

omg, racist.

Bazza
01-15-2007, 07:17 AM
In a few hours I'll be a proud owner of the Gypsy King's Greatest Hits! Here's an Ali Farka Toure song (it took ages to upload, crazy internet):
This took ages to work... (http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=download&ufid=78F90BBF0465234E)

I guess my assumptions on the types of music people like are purely based on the fact that this is an Offspring forum! :p
Although I find it great to share hidden gems of music with people, be it any genre! I'm also very much into foreign language music as well, I tend to get board of hearing English speaking artists after a while.

JoY
01-15-2007, 08:46 AM
omg, racist.

totally!

what's the difference between black & white? well, for one, an entire spectrum. don't pretend I shouldn't see that, because I'd be blind. =P
but that's not so much in reply to you, Josh, because you thoroughly know my racist ways. ;p

JoY
01-15-2007, 08:48 AM
I'm also very much into foreign language music as well, I tend to get board of hearing English speaking artists after a while.

care for some Dutch?

Bazza
01-15-2007, 09:33 AM
care for some Dutch?

Why not, what sort of bands have you got?

T-6005
01-15-2007, 10:04 AM
Scott Hamilton is someone I am madly in love with - and I take only a passing interest in Jazz most of the time. When I like it, I love it, but there's a lot of it out there that just doesn't speak to me.

JoY
01-16-2007, 04:19 PM
Why not, what sort of bands have you got?

it's a shitty list out of the brilliant list of Dutch songs that have been made, but it'll have to do, because I don't have anything else on this computer.

Acda & de Munnik - de Stad Amsterdam (you figure out for yourself what that means ;p)
http://download.yousendit.com/3784ABA0659E763F

Acda & de Munnik - Vandaag Ben Ik Gaan Lopen (today I went walking, but to make it more logical; today I went for a walk)
"today I went for a walk & where I walk, there from now on is a road"
& "I'm much more scared than I was, when I was still standing still, that may be so, but I'm finally, but I'm finally progressing/moving (on)"
look up the lyrics & translate them in a machine, if you want. they're great.
http://download.yousendit.com/BDD182B22ABFA366

I wanted to post up some Blof, but found out I only have one song by them & it's not even that great. plus, it has the dude from the Counting Crows in it, so there's some English & he's annoying. anyway, there goes nothing;
Blof - Holiday in Spain
http://download.yousendit.com/41502C9F3AFCE46D

Doe Maar - Annabel (bad quality, but it's damn old)
http://download.yousendit.com/C0966DDB27559AD9

Hero (singer is an actor, so not exactly a singer. still, cute song) - Toen ik jou zag (when I saw you)
http://download.yousendit.com/C8D1B194470AC241

Marco Borsato - Ik Leef Niet Meer Voor Jou (I don't live for you anymore)
http://download.yousendit.com/20D80A7232AF59DF

Toots Tielemans - Turks Fruit (movie theme, no singing, so no Dutch, but yeah, Dutch movie & <3)
http://download.yousendit.com/206778D71CEC78B8

if someone has Van Dik Hout & de Poema's on his/her computer.. please post? maybe I'll download them later, but the problem is I have this really sucky download program. :/ but those are things you NEEEED to hear.

Bazza
01-16-2007, 04:52 PM
JoY, can you not help but post good music?!! Seriously all the files you've posted are great! I never knew that Dutch could actually sound good when sung, I always thought it was a harsh langauge?
Thanks :D

JoY
01-16-2007, 05:11 PM
so these I wanted to give to you also, because they're fantastic. lyrics would help in learning to love these songs, but yeah, as expected, it's all Dutch.

Van Dik Hout - Stil in mij (silent in me)
http://download.yousendit.com/85D4AA0140FB6D0F

de Poema's (Acda & de Munnik in cooperation with Van Dik Hout) - Mijn Houten Hart (my wooden heart)
http://download.yousendit.com/EF12A813755C0EB8

Marco Borsato - Wat Is Mijn Hart? (what is my heart?)
http://download.yousendit.com/EC211F8B1B4B17D9

try 'm all & tell me what you think, okies?

JoY
01-16-2007, 05:19 PM
JoY, can you not help but post good music?!! Seriously all the files you've posted are great! I never knew that Dutch could actually sound good when sung, I always thought it was a harsh langauge?
Thanks :D

German is harsher, I think, especially when listening to Rammstein, but when you listen to Falco, Annett Louisan, Tic Tac Toe, or other bands & songs, even classical, like in Beethoven's 9th symphony, even German can be soft & gentle.

we do something, that makes our language particularly harsh sounding. we pronounce the g in the harshest way possible, a way almost no one foreign can pronounce. it comes deep from the throat, like you're girgling water after brushing your teeth, if you know what I mean. or the sound you make, if you have a hair stuck in your throat that tickles & you want out. or the sound you make before spitting, to collect saliva.

just listen to "VandaaGG ben ik GGaan lopen" & you'll get what I mean.

glad that you like the songs! yayies, yous like ze Dutch. you're extra super welcome, because I love seeing reactions like these, like yours to music I post up.

Bazza
01-16-2007, 05:41 PM
Ok, I'm now dl an Acda & De Munnik album! I understand the whole back of the throat sounds (I studied Russian and they have similar sounds).

I find listening to foreign music refreshing, for me it puts more emphasis on the music and sound of vocals, as opposed to the lyrics. If you think of anymore artists then please don't hesitate to let me know!

JoY
01-17-2007, 02:45 AM
I will! Acda & de Munnik is great, right? I love them. I must say I find it too bad you'll never be able to know what they're saying, because they've got unique, smart lyrics. both guys are really stand up commedians, but they're better at this. their humour is too nuanced, sensitive & smart for the greater public. you should download their album "Naar Huis" (literally; to home). I'll translate some songs for you, if you want. "Het Regent Zonnestralen" (it rains sunbeams) & "Niet of Nooit geweest" (not or never have been) to start with.

oh, & what I thought of last night while lying in bed; Tic Tac Toe is the *perrfect* example of harsh German.

also, & the g is not the letter everyone finds difficult to pronounce, it's the r. & I have absolutely no idea at all how to explain how we pronounce the damn thing. it's similar to the German & French r, but we have a twist to it, a weird sound I don't think you find in any other language. I'll try to show you some time.

I was thinking last night how our languages differ. the funniest example I could think of, is that we pronounce the "e" as you pronounce your "a" & you pronounce the "e" like we pronounce the "i". awesome right? English is a smooth language. every sound is round & takes subtle movements of the mouth, making it more hollow, when we just blurt out our r's, g's, t's...
for instance the w; you make a somewhat more closed "ooo" movement with the lips, but use less voice than for the "ooo". when we pronounce a w, you could say we place our upper front teeth on the lower lip & then we immediately skip to the next letter. try saying "what" while doing that, upper front teeth on lower lip, then directly followed by the "a" (that in this word you pronounce the same as we do, which makes it a good example). sounds less soft, right?

it's interesting how letters come to life with the movements of the lips, tongue, use of voice & space in the mouth. my mother was a logopediatric & when you control the movements of your mouth, she's taught me you can pretty much do any accent you want. she can't really do that, she can only do Rotterdam accent & her own posh accent, they tried to get out of her during logopediatrics. now I live in Amsterdam, we have shitloads of fun with this ability, because Amsterdam's got one bad accent, which I picked up for good times.