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fernandopunk
03-20-2007, 03:59 AM
ANARQUISMO is the solution of a better world! (you it would change the money of its payment for everything what you more want, without politicos, without polices, without government, changing work for everything what to want, a world without crimes, that is a better world for all! (I BELIEVE ANARQUISMO)

Manic Subsidal Boy
03-20-2007, 04:05 AM
Poseurific!

fernandopunk
03-20-2007, 04:39 AM
[CENTER][/CENTcapitalist fuck, the world best is alone for who wants.ER]

fernandopunk
03-20-2007, 04:41 AM
tradutor da google é um cú também que se foda caralho

Manic Subsidal Boy
03-20-2007, 05:48 AM
[CENTER][/CENTcapitalist fuck, the world best is alone for who wants.ER]

What's that I can't read shit?!

Sin Studly
03-20-2007, 07:20 AM
ANARQUISMO

You live in Brazil, for fucks sake. Isn't it close enough already?

NOAMR
03-20-2007, 01:11 PM
Fernando, do you just write in Spanish and then use a translation machine to post in English? Too bad, they don't work good enough yet.

RickyCrack
03-20-2007, 01:47 PM
How did I know a certain someone would post in here?

XYlophonetreeZ
03-20-2007, 02:14 PM
Fernando, do you just write in Spanish and then use a translation machine to post in English? Too bad, they don't work good enough yet.
Too bad they speak Portuguese in Brazil.

Whiplash
03-20-2007, 02:23 PM
Look you guy's another frustrated 15 year old who just got in trouble with his parents.

killer_queen
03-20-2007, 02:55 PM
wtf? I've always thought that the people who live in Brazil only cared about who's in love with whom, who slept with whom and that kinda stuff. Just like in their soap operas. I didn't know they cared about politics.

EMehl6
03-20-2007, 03:25 PM
Anarchy is gay.

SkunkIt
03-20-2007, 03:43 PM
I wan anarkies yay!

http://img.hottopic.com/is/image/HotTopic/543324_hi?$product$

EMehl6
03-20-2007, 03:50 PM
http://img.hottopic.com/is/image/HotTopic/543324_hi?$product$

Oh, she's a cutie. (sarcasm)

Anya82
03-20-2007, 05:28 PM
oh, no... not another of these guys yelling about how trupunx they are and that anarchy is the solution to the world's problem, without even knowing what it really is, nor knowing a shit about politics.

How old is he? 12? 13?

0r4ng3
03-20-2007, 05:32 PM
Profile says 16. I think that's still in the "OMG PUNX!" range.

fernandopunk
03-23-2007, 04:38 AM
THE GUILT IS OF THE TRANSLATOR OF THE GOOGLE! now I go to write in Portuguese! !

HeadAroundU
03-23-2007, 08:33 AM
I BELIEVE ANARQUISMO! :cool: :cool: *fuckin' amazing*

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y33/HeadAroundU/TRUPUNXapproval.jpg

JoY
03-23-2007, 08:48 AM
didn't anyone tell you punk is dead?

& yeah, a world without guiding, discipline, structure & competition sounds awesome!! 'cuz mankind is essentially good & reliable, flawless & doesn't need that all that shit to function in a social setting!

HeadAroundU
03-23-2007, 08:53 AM
*a world without leaders!!!

Hau could U make such a mistake, bella mia.

I BELIEVE ANARQUISMO! :cool: :cool:

fernandopunk
03-28-2007, 06:12 AM
ANARQUISMO pra vocês seus filhos da puta!(FUCK BUSH):D

fernandopunk
03-28-2007, 06:21 AM
many of you do not know ANARCHY and want to comment, fuck the ones that do not agree

fernandopunk
03-28-2007, 06:23 AM
many of you do not know ANARCHY and want to comment, fuck the ones that do not agree AMERICAN IDIOT,AMERICAN IDIOT, AMERICAN IDIOT, AMERICAN IDIOT, AMERICAN IDIOT...

Great Mike
03-28-2007, 07:40 AM
fuck the ones that do not agree

Dude, tell me that's the translator's "guilt".

Offspring-Junkie
03-28-2007, 11:32 PM
AMERICAN IDIOT,AMERICAN IDIOT, AMERICAN IDIOT, AMERICAN IDIOT, AMERICAN IDIOT...
at least he knows two words in english :rolleyes:

Meiko
03-30-2007, 02:33 PM
This guy's acting like a dumb kid. Retarded.
I read his profile, and it says he's 16. I REALLY think he lied about his age.



moron.

Lodat225
03-30-2007, 08:40 PM
ANARQUISMO is the solution of a better world! (you it would change the money of its payment for everything what you more want, without politicos, without polices, without government, changing work for everything what to want, a world without crimes, that is a better world for all! (I BELIEVE ANARQUISMO)

DAMN FUCKiNG RIGHT! ANARCHY - ALL THE FUCKING WAYYYYYYY!

Duskygrin
03-31-2007, 07:15 AM
Didn't the beatles write "oh I believe in anarchy"?

Oh no my mistake. *jerks down her hand with forefinger above the other fingers* it's yesterday isn't it

Ninty Man
04-03-2007, 12:00 AM
ANARQUISMO is the solution of a better world! (you it would change the money of its payment for everything what you more want, without politicos, without polices, without government, changing work for everything what to want, a world without crimes, that is a better world for all! (I BELIEVE ANARQUISMO)

Simple and precise answer:
NO

natalia_mayume
04-05-2007, 07:23 PM
aah to com preguiça de passar essa merda pra inglês! ¬¬'
Po Fernando eu acho que o Anarquismo resolveria mts
problemas que a sociedade enfrenta, principalmente
nessa porcaria de desigualdade social, mas cara..
eu li num livro que a igualdade entre as pessoas não daria muito
certo, tipo assim.. se todos recebessem a mesma quantidade
de dinheiro uns guardariam e poupariam enquanto outros
gastariam e acabariam com tudo de uma vez.
As pessoas são muito diferentes e agem diferente! =/
Sem contar com os egoistas e egocentricos, tipo nossos
políticos que não pensam em ninguém a não ser neles mesmos,
iriam dificultar muito as coisas!
Eu acredito que antes do anarquismo deve ter uma ditadura :mad:
O que que vc acha? Oo

Biggest offspring fan
04-10-2007, 03:40 PM
I fucking agree with this guy, and btw you cant say that punk is dead cause thats totally wrong, punk is really big and popular right now. You got the evidence in the new movie Punks Not Dead, watch the trailer (http://www.punksnotdeadthemovie.com/stills.html) and you will see what i mean.

wheelchairman
04-10-2007, 04:14 PM
I made a chart.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v220/wheelchairman/lifeofpunk.png

Sin Studly
04-10-2007, 05:06 PM
That's the best fucking thing I've ever seen in my life.

All About Eve
04-10-2007, 09:41 PM
I normally just lurk in Politics, but holy fucking yes, Per.

Great Mike
04-11-2007, 03:51 AM
That's the best fucking thing I've ever seen in my life.

Haven't you seen the Offspring live?

Offspring-Junkie
04-11-2007, 05:18 AM
That's the best fucking thing I've ever seen in my life.
You're life's boring!

Sin Studly
04-11-2007, 05:22 AM
Me are life is boring?

Offspring-Junkie
04-11-2007, 05:32 AM
Your life's boring!:rolleyes:

wheelchairman
04-11-2007, 06:19 AM
Me are life is boring?

Me are seeing offspring live. Me are seeing punk dead.

Biggest offspring fan
04-11-2007, 03:08 PM
I made a chart.

You didn't watch that trailer, did you?

wheelchairman
04-11-2007, 03:10 PM
You didn't watch that trailer, did you?

Does Biggest Offspring Fan mean you're fat?

Biggest offspring fan
04-11-2007, 03:30 PM
Does Biggest Offspring Fan mean you're fat?

STOP IT, i really mean STOP IT. This discussion has been brought up before and you probably red it. If you wanna know if I'm fat you have to decide that by yourself by viewing my pic in photo album 2 (http://www.offspring.com/forums/showpost.php?p=978916&postcount=4330).

Lodat225
04-11-2007, 08:03 PM
I made a chart.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v220/wheelchairman/lifeofpunk.png

According to that chart, punk died before 1985.

And holy jeez. What a fat ass.

DeAtHsTaR
04-19-2007, 11:39 PM
http://i17.tinypic.com/4dgbuiu.jpg

Jakebert
04-20-2007, 04:09 AM
STOP IT, i really mean STOP IT. This discussion has been brought up before and you probably red it. If you wanna know if I'm fat you have to decide that by yourself by viewing my pic in photo album 2 (http://www.offspring.com/forums/showpost.php?p=978916&postcount=4330).

You should tell us all what it means to be punk, since you seem to be the expert.

JohnnyNemesis
04-20-2007, 07:46 AM
Chickeshit conformist!

Chickenshit conformiiiiiiiiiiiist!

Biggest offspring fan
04-20-2007, 09:12 AM
-THE PUNK HISTORY
It all started in the early 1970’s in New York city with bands playing regularly at the clubs Max Kansas City and CBGB. Some of the bands were: The Ramones, New York Dolls, Suicide, Television, Blondie, Johnny Thunders and The Heartbreakers (a former of New York Dolls), Richard Hell, The Voidoids and Talking Heads. At the same time a new scene appeared in Ohio, including The Electric Eels, Devo and Rocket From The Tombs who in 1975 split into Pere Ubu and The Dead Boys.

Then Malcolm McLaren (the manager of New York Dolls) spotted Richard Hell and decided to bring Hell’s look back to Britain. While London bands at the same time may have played a minor role in the early punk sound, the London punk scene would soon change the whole punk culture.

At the end of the career for the New York Dolls, their english manager Malcolm McLaren returned to London in may 1975 whith Vivienne Westwood. He started a clothing store called SEX that helped the first punk styled clothes become a clothing style. He also began managing The Swankers that soon would become the Sex Pistols. Sex Pistols became soon really huge and made the punk famous all over the world.

A big moment in the punk history was in July 4, 1976. It was a concert by The Ramones at the Roundhouse in London. Many of the future leaders of the UK punk/rock was inspired of this show. And almost directly after the show the UK punk scene was in full swing. In the late 1976 many fans of the Sex Pistols created their own bands, these bands were The Clash, Siouxsie and the Banshees, The Adverts, Generation X, The Slits and X-Ray Spex. Some other UK bands at this time were The Damned, The Jam, The Vibrators and Buzzcocks.

In December 1976, the Sex Pistols, The Clash, The Damned and Johnny Thunders and The Heartbreakers were on the Anarchy Tour. The Anarchy Tour was a serie with gigs trough the UK. Many of these gigs were canceled by venue owners. This was because of the newspapers and media that were writng stories about the bands and their fans.

Today some of the most famous early punk clubs are: The 100 club in London, CBGB in New York and The Masque in Hollywood. The punk culture has always changed trough the years with different punk genres. And of course these bands that I mentioned here are just the beginning of the punk culture.

By the end of the 1970’s many different punk bands had started in different countries all over the world. Now the genere pop/punk also was created, the founders of this were: The Ramones, Buzzcocks, The Rezillos and Generation X.

Somewhere around the beginning of the 1980’s, the hardcore punk came. The hardcore punk is known as fast, agressive and has political lyrics. The hardcore punk started in Washington DC with a couple of new bands. These early hardcore bands were: Dead Kennedys, Black Flag, Bad Brains, The Descendents, Replacements, The Germs, Minor Threat, Minutemen, Husker Du and many others. In New York there were hardcore punk bands as: Agnostic Front, The Cro-Mags, Murphy’s Law, Sick of it all and Gorilla Biscuits. From this genre there growed three new, skate punk, emo and straight edge.

In the late 1980’s some bands were starting to grow big and gain bigger audiences. Now even major labels started to capitalize on a market that had been growing for the past 10 years.
In 1991 the band Nirvana became famous whith their new album Nevermind. They made a huge commercial success. Nirvana are inspired of the punk from the early 1980’s but they label themselves as punk/rock.

Now in the early 1990’s an independent record label Epitaph Records were started by Brett Gruewitz from Bad Religion this became the home for skate/punk, the label was joined by bands as The Offspring, Pennywise, NOFX and The Suicide Machines. The Offspring made a huge success on this label when they released their album Smash that sold over 11 million copies which was most ever on an indie label.

One of the biggest bands in pop/punk today is Green Day. And one of the biggest bands in punk/rock is The Offspring. There are many unknown punk bands today but because of the widespread internet and file sharing programs it makes some bands be heard that otherwise would not be heard outside of their local state or country

/This is my option about the punk history [written by me]. I didn't describe what it means to be punk, I'm too lazy for that right now.

[Look maybe I'm wrong in some parts, but again this is my option].

Sin Studly
04-20-2007, 09:42 AM
Are you fat because you're so lazy?

RickyCrack
04-20-2007, 11:20 AM
Punk was started when Pat Benatar released her first album, faggot.

Endymion
04-20-2007, 11:42 AM
and it died with kurt cobain.

RickyCrack
04-20-2007, 11:47 AM
Courtney Love murdered punk. :(

Biggest offspring fan
04-20-2007, 11:52 AM
Punk was started when Pat Benatar released her first album, faggot.

You are pretty much wrong, idiot.

Jakebert
04-20-2007, 12:13 PM
The correct answer: it doesn't matter because punk is stupid.

RickyCrack
04-20-2007, 01:34 PM
You are pretty much wrong, idiot.

Pat Benatar is PISSED right now

Speakeasy
05-02-2007, 09:21 PM
http://www.themartialist.com/pecom/fieldguidetotrolls.htm

Guerilla Enferma
05-13-2007, 01:58 AM
I think about anarchy when I touch myself.

PSYCHE :rolleyes:

German Andres
05-13-2007, 12:50 PM
Courtney Love murdered punk. :(

Actually she killed the grunge music. Nirvana lost the punk sound before even recording In Utero.

TBD
05-17-2007, 04:18 AM
ANARQUISMO is the solution of a better world! (you it would change the money of its payment for everything what you more want, without politicos, without polices, without government, changing work for everything what to want, a world without crimes, that is a better world for all! (I BELIEVE ANARQUISMO)

THE FREE MARKET MAKING EVERY DECISION IN YOUR LIFE IS THE WAY TO GO.

Smash punker
02-18-2008, 05:35 AM
I wanna believe in ANARCHY! The song from Exploited. I love it. Of course Anarchy is my way of life too. :D

wheelchairman
02-18-2008, 06:14 AM
Of course anarchy is my way of life too.

Dead Kennedy
02-18-2008, 08:44 AM
i believe in free beer and hot dogs

Jakebert
02-18-2008, 10:32 AM
That's a pretty solid, well-thought out philosophy. Not joking, either.

Cock Joke
02-18-2008, 12:55 PM
Rock on, dude! Anarchy FTMFW!!!

Questionmarc
02-18-2008, 01:39 PM
I believe in communism.Communism has only failed a few times mainly in russia due to corruption but in China it has helped to establish a new economic superpower.Where as democracy has failed countless times creating oil hungry nations like america

Jakebert
02-18-2008, 02:46 PM
I'm pretty sure China is slowlybut surely moving towards a capitalist system.

wheelchairman
02-18-2008, 03:31 PM
Hard to say. I believe (although I'm not sure, because I never really was interested in China, but I believe, and am fairly certain) that in the program to the Chinese shift towards a capitalist economy, that the Chinese Communist Party (and thus the government, or maybe it's the Central Committee, irrelevant really) state that the changes are temporary in order to push forward the Chinese economy and production. (a la the NEP of Russian during the 1920's).

And moreover, I always find it amusing, the joke that says "Capitalism in Russia achieved something that communism in Russia never could, and that was to make communism look good."

However if you look at the state of communism today, it's pretty shabby. All the African socialist nations (with the exception of Libya and Siria) have taken the word socialist out of their names (and Libya and Siria are nothing to be proud of). Vietnam, Laos, China, Mongolia and North Korea have all allowed free trade zones (free trade areas, whatever you want to call them) into their nations to some degree. (although Mongolia is more of a democracy so the communist party is only in government due to parliamentary allies). (at least last time I checked.)

Eastern Europe all the communist parties have fallen and only are a shadow of their former selves (some areas they are still more popular than others, in other areas they are fiercely hated, depends on where you go.)

Western Europe they've pretty much fallen off the map. They have marginal and small influences in Italy, Sweden, Germany and France.

Latin America (and Cuba) are the only places you can expect to see anything. Except Chavez is an idiot and a populist. Who took power through a military coup and I find everything he does to be fishy and disastrous (but those things aside, it's not like he's ruining anything, in fact he is popular and he is progressive.) Morales is kind of like an intelligent Chavez. Lula is supposed to be a Marxist I think but he's allowed sweeping right wing reforms (although that's mostly left wing accusations perhaps he's made some left wing reforms as well.)

So what's left? the Chiapas? Moldova? Transnistria?

Sunny
02-18-2008, 03:55 PM
I believe in communism.Communism has only failed a few times mainly in russia due to corruption but in China it has helped to establish a new economic superpower

mmm, nothing says "successful political system" like rampant human rights violations!

iPunk247
02-21-2008, 12:57 AM
I believe in freedom of speech and lawlessness was never ever my forte w00T

Mota Boy
02-21-2008, 01:52 AM
I believe in communism.Communism has only failed a few times mainly in russia due to corruption but in China it has helped to establish a new economic superpower.Where as democracy has failed countless times creating oil hungry nations like americaChrist, do you know anything about the history of the political system you espouse?

You say communism has "only failed a few times". How about all of Eastern Europe? (Per, of course, can do a much better analysis of the history of communism than I can, but it bears repeating). And you use China as an example? The Chinese economy was a fucking disaster under Mao, and it led to the starvation of tens of millions and the relegation of China into a global backwater choked with a bland, downtrodden peasant class ruled over by a few party elites. The country only started on its way to becoming a "new economic superpower" once it began imposing capitalist reforms, starting with land reforms in 1978 when Deng Xiaoping spearheaded the drive to break up communes.

Then you say that capitalism is bad, while pointing to the wealthiest nation (per capita, in terms of purchasing power) in the world as an example. That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard of. To say that the United States represents a failure of democracy while China represents a success of capitalism is a declaration of ignorance on an eye-popping scale. I hope you stand by your anti-democratic principles and never vote.

ruroken
02-22-2008, 06:22 AM
Monarchy, bitches. We need to go back to conquering lands and shit. Oh wait... we've only invaded countries to force democracy on them :(

Jakebert
02-22-2008, 06:24 AM
I'm currently reading a book that talks about the Bush administration's seizing of presidential power and the way they've been trying to erode check's and balances. It's really kind of depressing to read that people can be that evil.

DirtyYeso
02-22-2008, 08:26 AM
Latin America (and Cuba) are the only places you can expect to see anything. Except Chavez is an idiot and a populist. Who took power through a military coup and I find everything he does to be fishy and disastrous (but those things aside, it's not like he's ruining anything, in fact he is popular and he is progressive.) Morales is kind of like an intelligent Chavez.

I have to disagree to this. Venezuela is really in trouble with Chavez and his communism. He's just surviving cause he's got a lot of oil sources and therefore a lot of money. But the people in Venezuela live in uncertainty: they're money isn't safe, and the ones who don't have any can survive thanks to Chavez social programms, which only can exist with the support of his oil. There's no real significant industry or significant production as far as I know.
And about Bolivia, Morales is another Chavez but has no money. :D

wheelchairman
02-22-2008, 08:34 AM
So I'm right for as long as Chavez has oil?

no shit... But that's definitely enough. He's still popular (if the elections say anything about that) and he's still progressive (on the progressive-conservative scale).

But we never really seem to hear about poor people in Venezuela, only about the Poor Rich people. It's kind of an irony.

iPunk247
02-22-2008, 10:16 PM
I also believe in Anarchy Airlines. muhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha ...

JohnnyNemesis
02-23-2008, 02:37 AM
I hate you.

iPunk247
02-23-2008, 04:25 AM
hate me or love me i couldn't care shit fucking less you blue balls prick dick.

DirtyYeso
02-23-2008, 04:31 AM
So I'm right for as long as Chavez has oil?

no shit... But that's definitely enough. He's still popular (if the elections say anything about that) and he's still progressive (on the progressive-conservative scale).

But we never really seem to hear about poor people in Venezuela, only about the Poor Rich people. It's kind of an irony.

Well, kind of. About beeing re-elected, I can say Chavez controls all the media in Venezuela. The papers get money from him, so there's seems to be no need to publish anything against him :p. The same with the television. He's also been accused for manipulating the results of the last electoral process, but don't really know much about that.
One more thing: he claims to rule Venezuela for about 15 years more, because that'll be when his daughter turns 18 :D .

wheelchairman
02-23-2008, 07:35 AM
Well I believe he didn't revoke the licence of that one tv station until after the elections. So as of the last elections, there was at least one free tv station. But yeah there aren't many of those anymore.

The shadow
02-23-2008, 10:22 PM
But we never really seem to hear about poor people in Venezuela, only about the Poor Rich people. It's kind of an irony.

Do you mean you never hear poor people complain in Venezuela or that you don't know of their existence?. Because if that's the case, then your picture is a little bit distorted. There are a lot of poor people in Venezuela, I can assure you that.

Poor Rich people?. Most rich people support Chávez; where do you think they got their money from?. This is the most corrupted government in Venezuela's history. There are three ways of getting rich in short time in Venezuela nowdays: oil, drugs and politics.

I don't know if you're one of those people who think Chávez is a paladin of the poor and that the evil oligarchy filled with american-ass-kissing white people are trying to take the real democracy away from the people, buy if you are; I must tell you things are way more complicated than that black and white fairy tale. Political loyalty in Venezuela is not defined by social status. A lot of poor people don't like Chavez. Most people vote for him only to get benefits from social programmes, if not, why didn't he win the referendum last December?. It's true that he has the majority of the poor vote, but that doesn't mean that the people in the opposition are a handfull of dumb and spoiled rich people. In general, the population (that votes) is split 50-50, and I don't think half the population are Poor Rich people.

There's plenty of freedom of expression and press in Venezuela. The opposition also exagerates Chávez's mistakes. There are several "free" tv stations, dozens of "free" papers and hundreds of radio stations that are not controlled or attacked in any way by the government. The problem is that these freedoms still exist not because Chávez defends them, but in spite of his attempts to limit or destroy them. You'll see, Chávez didn't bring democracy to Venezuela, democracy already existed since the 1950's, that's why it has been so dificult for him to seize all powers.

The claims of election fraud are probably false, but he is clinging to the office and he does have a huge propaganda machine. The government has like 4 or 5 tv stations, dozens of papers and thousands of radio stations. He uses public money to finance his political campaigns, and he bends the law to serve him, for example, he often broadcasts mandatory adresses through all tv and radio signals simultaneously, sometimes for proselitistic reasons. Add all that to his social programmes and a completely loyal Supreme Court and National Assembly (100% of the members from the government party, not kiding) and you've got yourself the definition of marxist populism.

wheelchairman
02-24-2008, 07:43 AM
My point was, that in our media the people who complain most are the people who have lost something from the nationalizations. And oh how it's a shame for the economy, that poor nation of Venezuela. That's what I meant by the poor rich people. We never seem to hear the opinion of an average Venezuelan, nor of a native, not from someone in a bigger city nor from a farm (apparently Venezuela has a woefully slow land reform going on. At least before Chavez)

Actually if you had read my original post, I said that I thought Chavez is an idiot. Is he a bad leader in my opinion? No not really. He just comes off about as intelligent as George Bush. The manipulation of the media is no better than Berlusconi's, he's done a lot of annoying things in curbing the media. However he has not violated the rule of law. He has acknowledged and abided by the fact that his constitution lost in the vote.

As far as I understood it, I thought that he had a majority in parliament, but not 100%. That doesn't seem possible in a democracy?

Satanic_Surfer
02-24-2008, 02:44 PM
All medias reflect the values of their owners. As far as that goes, there is really no difference to Venezuela. The state centralism is a problem that these state capitalism nations has to live with obviously. What venezuela needs is more influence from the bottom of their society. Though Chavez has pretty clearly opposed such ideas.

Mota Boy
02-24-2008, 09:04 PM
My point was, that in our media the people who complain most are the people who have lost something from the nationalizations. And oh how it's a shame for the economy, that poor nation of Venezuela. That's what I meant by the poor rich people. We never seem to hear the opinion of an average Venezuelan, nor of a native, not from someone in a bigger city nor from a farmBut that's a bias the media displays in every story, not merely this one - they always overemphasize the victims, as well as the wealthy, powerful and urban. Granted, I can never see any US news agency publishing a "socialism is great!" piece, but the victim bias also plays a large part.

And Per - here's something I thought you'd find quite interesting - there's a new land reform movement going on in China. It's semi-serious shit, on the thirtieth anniversary of Deng Xiaoping's first rural land reforms, there's an actual organized peasant rebellion underway across several provinces, in which they claim to seize land (largely in name only) and divide it up amongst themselves to give them actual ownership. The party is, thus far, freaking out.

Unfortunately, my time's fairly limited and I'm on a slow connection, so I *think* this (http://www.ft.com/cms/1979fef2-5188-11dc-8779-0000779fd2ac.html?_i_referralObject=656279657&fromSearch=n) goes to the video of it. Here (http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/46d53b1e-df1d-11dc-91d4-0000779fd2ac.html?nclick_check=1) is the text of the article. It's really, really fascinating stuff. I just read an excellent book called Asian Godfathers: Wealth and Power in Southeast Asia and it's a fantastic analysis of the region (Hong Kong, Singapore, Indonesia, Thailand, Phillipines and Malaysia, mostly) - a sociological, historical and economic analysis of the area, and what's wrong with it. One of the points is that Southeast Asia, for all the talk about it, might be heading towards a South America-style economic stagnation. The last two pages briefly deal with China and parallels, some of which are rather disturbing - one of the main suggestions the author made in order to ensure continued economic growth and economic equality (a la South Korea, Japan and Taiwan) was rural land reform, so to read that article coming off the heals of that book has made me very interested in the recent occurances. Anyway, it's an absolutely fascinating bit of reporting there, and I'd recommend it to anyone interested in China.

wheelchairman
02-25-2008, 08:14 AM
Fascinating. What is the basis of the current land reform by the peasants? From state-owned to small peasant owned? Large peasant owned to small peasant owned?

Fascinating.

There was something like 5 golden rules to succesful land reform. Something about distributing 80% of the targeted land within a decade. (no longer.) An acceptance of the fact that the economy will not be maintained during this period and some other one. I haven't looked at land reform in a while.

I'll look into your article.

The shadow
02-25-2008, 08:46 PM
However he has not violated the rule of law. He has acknowledged and abided by the fact that his constitution lost in the vote.

As far as I understood it, I thought that he had a majority in parliament, but not 100%. That doesn't seem possible in a democracy?

Yes, but he didn't accept the results because he thought it was the most democratic thing to do, but because by rejecting them, he would have lost the democratic legitimization that he's looking for. He's not powerful enough to ignore results, yet.

The opposition didn't participate in the elections that year claiming unsufficient conditions to hold them. The unified candidates of the government (hand-picked by Chávez himself) got like 70% of the votes (25% or less of the population participated). The opposition asked the Supreme Court to nullify the election and the petition was immediately rejected.

One party called Podemos (4 Assembly members) recently expressed its disagreement with the proposed reform of the constitution and Chávez immediately called them traitors and minions of the empire and expelled them from the revolution. Still, that Assembly represents one man. No need to say about checks and balances and the division of powers.