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Sidewinder
01-29-2008, 07:46 PM
I'm making this thread for a number of reasons. Indie is becoming quite popular, at least around some musical circles I'm in, and I think it's one of the more interesting genres to discuss. But on here, when an Indie band gets mentioned, it's either in a thread that gets 4 replies or in a massive thread for a post or two in something like the file sharing thread. I think consolidating the majority of the Indie talk into one thread will help to:

1.) bring more attention to the genre as a whole
2.) give a place for more obscure bands to be mentioned without being ignored

Also, I think some interesting discussion can come up. What type of Indie do you like? As in, what instruments, vocal styles, musical styles, etc? What, to you, puts an indie band ahead of the rest? Because let's face it, there are a quite noticeable number of boring Indie bands that don't really deserve a whole lot of notice. What Influences do you like the most?

Just stuff like that. Anyway, I'm kind of excited to see a discussion/debate of this sort come up.

Little_Miss_1565
01-29-2008, 08:44 PM
have to ask because I'm a creaky old lady...when did indie stop describing the ethos of the music and start describing the music itself? The National and Atmosphere are two phenomenal indie bands but would anyone really ever lump them into one genre?

WebDudette
01-29-2008, 08:46 PM
I kinda got to wonder that too. I meant I know exactly what people are talking about when they talk about indie bands, but how did that become a genre?

JohnnyNemesis
01-29-2008, 08:48 PM
when did indie stop describing the ethos of the music and start describing the music itself?

That happened when fans got lazy and started defining "indie" by whatever wasn't "mainstream", rather than an actual description of the music itself (defining anything by what it's "not' rather than what it "is" always confuzzles things, naturally)...and I'm thinking mainstream music publications tackling what was considered indie music creating this weird paradox had something to do with this.

What I mean is that, of all the "indie" artists, it was mostly the ones that were considered "palatable" that got more ink, and they happened to sound kinda similar to mainstream ears, so a genre was created around that, and it moved away from the ethos, blah blah blah you know what I'm saying.

I'm not trying to rag on you though, Alec; everyone just described it this way, you're not the problem here.

Jakebert
01-29-2008, 09:04 PM
have to ask because I'm a creaky old lady...when did indie stop describing the ethos of the music and start describing the music itself? The National and Atmosphere are two phenomenal indie bands but would anyone really ever lump them into one genre?

It's the same thing that happened with the term "alternative". It started out as a blanket term to describe a movement that was going on outside the mainstream, then once the mainstream picked up on some of the bands, they started using it as a label for a genre. It's always annoying when that happens because, like with alternative rock, I always have to explain the difference between shitty 90's alternative rock like Third Eye Blind and real alternative rock like Joy Division.

I generally try to use specific genres when I mention a band, unless it's to someone who doesn't really know indie sub-genres that well, then I just say "indie".

But, indie rock right now is a mixed bag. There's some really brilliant stuff out there, but there's also a lot of shit. Personally, I'm getting really annoyed with the numerous amount of singer-songwriters that sound exactly like Damien Rice, minus the originality and songwriting talent. That said, indie-folk is probably the most interesting genre going right now. There's a lot of innovators who are trying to get away from the stereo-typical indie-folk sound by doing some really clever things.

I'm also starting to resent Death Cab For Cutie and the Shins too. I like both bands, but I'm also getting really annoyed with the massive amount of praise that they get. Both bands really aren't that much more than average, but they're treated like gods. Plus, like Ricky mentioned, all of the annoying ripoff bands that have sprung up out of nowhere trying to get songs played on TV dramas and movies are really, really getting annoying.

JohnnyNemesis
01-29-2008, 09:09 PM
Word up.

I think genres are an iffy thing, not because they tend to be subjective (which they do), but because I think remaining even the slightest bit exclusive or reclusive to any genre is among the most dishonest and just plain dumb things anyone can do. It's also kinda funny because I hate the douchemonkeys who say they "listen to everything", because even though that would honestly apply to me too, what they usually mean is that they listen to variety pop radio and shiz. But that's a conversation for another thread, I suppose.

Jakebert
01-29-2008, 09:17 PM
The thing with indie genres is that sometimes it gets to a point where all of the sub-genres get annoying as hell. Sadcore, shoegazing, dreampop, slowcore, ect. are basically all the same fucking genre, yet I know people who get pissed as hell if you don't know the difference.

The "I listen to everything" thing bugs me a bit too. Most people that say that, like you said, listen to the radio and what's played there and that's it. Even someone who is as snobby about music as myself has more diverse tastes than that, and I admit my own musical tunnel vision.

But yeah, back on subject: I've been listening to a lot of Okkervil River lately. It's weird, because they really aren't amazingly unique or anything, yet there's something about them that I just find awesome. I can't put my finger on it.

Also, anyone else here like Grandaddy?

JohnnyNemesis
01-29-2008, 09:20 PM
Yeah. And, to finally get back on topic, what bugs me about "indie" as a genre is how hard it is to explain that I listen to electronic dance music (mostly synthpop) that is either on an indie synth label or unsigned stuff, but that clearly doesn't fit into the "indie" genre...but using the term "synthpop" throws people off, and explaining the "unsigned" part often makes people just throw the word "indie" at me...blah blah blah. Yeah.

Jakebert
01-29-2008, 09:23 PM
What kind of synth pop do you like? More dancy stuff or chill stuff? I generally don't like dance synth pop, but chillout music like Air or the Headphones is something I've really been liking lately.

JohnnyNemesis
01-29-2008, 09:30 PM
Both. I don't like it to be too chill, but bands that try too hard to be upbeat and dancy kind of get on my nerves sometimes. I've been really into Fantazja lately; it's kind of dark stuff with good enough lyrics, complex synths, but still kind of dancy. Upbeat darkness is a tricky thing to nail, and I love it when synthpop bands do it (even though it seems to work better in the Electroclash stuff, which I still love, but only know some of the more common artists...Fischerspooner, Ladytron, Adult., Freezepop, etc.) Cosmicity is another one who sometimes does that.

And of course, I love the super cheesy upbeat mainstream stuff from the 80s (Yaz, Pet Shop Boys, Soft Cell, and of course, Depeche Mode). Just something about the way bands have done it lately doesn't always work. Works sometimes, of course, but meh.

As for true indie synthpop bands, Split Mirrors first album was fucking phenomenal. I don't know who the fuck they think they are waiting 14 goddamn years to release a follow up album that was like a half-hour long, not that good, and actually had a remix version of an old single on there (keep us waiting for FOURTEEN GODDAMNED YEARS and you have the audacity to include a remix version of an old hit on there?! Taking up a spot on album with only ten tracks?! FOURTEEN YEARS for only NINE new songs?! ARE YOU SERIOUS?!?!), but their first album is seriously fun.

Nineteen Seventy Nine
01-29-2008, 09:46 PM
Heck, I don't even know if these are considered indie now, but I'm definetely more into the dancy type. She Wants Revenge, Bloc Party, and Louis XIV are all favorites though.

And I've heard some garage bands thrown into the indie mix too, a genre I'm a big fan of, but I don't think it is the same.

Sidewinder
01-29-2008, 09:57 PM
I'm not trying to rag on you though, Alec; everyone just described it this way, you're not the problem here.
I don't think it's a problem. The definition has evolved to where certain music fits, albeit a wide range, hence me asking your favorite types etc. Though I get where you're coming from and totally agree on most points, there's just no other way to "group" the music effectively without going into stupid, pretentious subgenres, which is again why I asked for what types you preferred, since it is such a big, vague grouping.

BREAK
01-29-2008, 09:58 PM
Given that I'm currently busting my nut over Joanna Newsom and the Knife, I'm pretty sure I have a soft spot for women with really irritating voices.

coke_a_holic
01-30-2008, 11:52 AM
Agreed with Jakebert: so much fucking Okkervil River. I love them, and I'm still not really sure what's pushing me into that, but for I just can't stop. Also, I've been listening to a lot of Weakerthans.

Regarding musical description: I often use genres to help give a light description, but am more likely to compare bands to other bands rather than genres, which tends to be more helpful. Also, people who claim they like everything are always wrong because I can guarantee that at least 90% of those people don't like grindcore or even jazz. It's kind of obnoxious. What's worse is people who go "I DON'T FEEL LIKE TELLING YOU ALL THE BANDS I LIKE" so they list a bunch of genres. Like, I like a few bands from each genre, but there are always shitty bands and it's just as stupid as going "I hate everything but country" to go "I like alternative rock." Great, so you like a good 70% of all rock music ever, awesome.

Music sucks.

DirtyYeso
01-30-2008, 03:51 PM
Music sucks.

.. but it rocks

Yea the "I like everything" also nerves me. I only know 1 person who really listens a what I consider a LOT. Jazz, Fusion, Death Metal, Pop, BoyBands, Rap, Reggaeton well I actually I'd also like to be able to enjoy every type of music but I just don't. All the dance stuff is just too cheesy for me mostly however I think I can say that I can listen a little bit of everything and like it. But if you show something weird I'll sure like a well-written song of this weird genre, also when I don't like the genre itself..
Music is complicated..

H1T_That
01-31-2008, 10:58 AM
I'm not sure i'm fully understanding what 'indie' is now...

BREAK
01-31-2008, 11:48 AM
No one understands what indie means now. Just stop trying. It has about much meaning as the word "emo" at this point.

Wolfbutter
01-31-2008, 11:50 AM
I like that really sappy, happy stuff like Death Cab for Cutie and other stuff that give you that warm fuzzy feelings, when you are with a lover at night time, looking at the sunset and being all romantic and having these feelings inside your heart.

Meg
01-31-2008, 12:05 PM
Indie as a fashion has vastly taken over what were the chavs at my old school, which I personally find a bit funny. So it's become ery popular as a genre of music too now, and seems to be taking over everywhere. Probably, as it's a very listen-friendly form of music. Because let's look at it this way, it's not in-your-face-screamo, it's not I-came-from-the=ghetto-rap, it's not i'm-such-a-rebel-punk, or anything like that. It's just music. And therefore generally not musically controversial in any way.


Or at least that's the way I look at it.

Rag Doll
02-01-2008, 01:37 PM
Heck, I don't even know if these are considered indie now, but I'm definetely more into the dancy type. She Wants Revenge, Bloc Party, and Louis XIV are all favorites though.


HOLYFUCK. i honestly don't know anyone else that has ever even heard of Louis XIV, let alone LIKES them. they're one of my favorites too.

When you say dancey, it makes me think of Q And Not U. check them out if you haven't heard them. particularly the *Different Damage* and *Power* cds =)


I like that really sappy, happy stuff like Death Cab for Cutie and other stuff that give you that warm fuzzy feelings, when you are with a lover at night time, looking at the sunset and being all romantic and having these feelings inside your heart.

holyfuck yes. i absolutely love DCfC. listen to them with the mens when we're driving around at night <3333

H1T_That
02-01-2008, 05:13 PM
So, i checked out some of the bands mentioned in this thread.



They all sounded generic and boring as fuck.


My conclusion : Indie is bad.

Nineteen Seventy Nine
02-01-2008, 07:35 PM
Haha, Steve, for one thing, indie is on the far opposite side of metal and some of the other stuff you listen to. So your observation makes sense.


When you say dancey, it makes me think of Q And Not U. check them out if you haven't heard them. particularly the *Different Damage* and *Power* cds =)
Okay, so I checked them out, and liked what I heard.

Would you mind uploading any of those albums?

Betty
02-07-2008, 01:13 AM
HOLYFUCK. i honestly don't know anyone else that has ever even heard of Louis XIV, let alone LIKES them. they're one of my favorites too.


I thought they were reasonably popular.... I don't like 'em much though, so I guess that's where the second part of the statement comes in. I saw 'em play a couple of years ago and the only song I really liked was a cover. And I downloaded the newest album cause it got lots of praise... but meh.

I really like Power though. I wouldn't even consider them a dancey band just cause of their style overall, but that CD always makes me want to dance around.

Oh, and I am digging the Okkervil as well, ever since whoever uploaded it in the sharing thread (where I steal music, and never give any back).

I just just downloaded Matt Costa and like it quite a bit so far. Should I have heard of this much earlier?

Rag Doll
02-07-2008, 08:34 AM
Haha, Steve, for one thing, indie is on the far opposite side of metal and some of the other stuff you listen to. So your observation makes sense.


Okay, so I checked them out, and liked what I heard.

Would you mind uploading any of those albums?

i am so sorry. my reply got eaten during that bbs glitch the other night! i will gladly upload both cds for you (i would upload their first also, but mine is ripped from a friend's copy and skips horribly in some spots). i just havent been around lately. should be able to do it tonight!

Michelle - regarding LouisXIV, maybe it depends where you live? honestly, even my most musically "in the know" friends here haven't heard of them (though, they wont complain if i play them in the car). i hear they're bigger on the west coast.

coke_a_holic
02-07-2008, 11:46 AM
I can up Different Damage, Sam. I finally got around to listening to it yesterday after downloading it last week.

Holy shit, I want Power, too. Also, it's nice to know that not all music from DC sucks! Hurray for Dischord bands!

Rag Doll
02-07-2008, 03:48 PM
Q And Not U - Power (http://www.sendspace.com/file/en6amw)

While "Different Damage" is my favorite Q And Not U cd (Mike, if you could up it, that would be awesome), "Power" has what is probably my favorite Q And Not U song..."Wet Work".

enjoy.

nieh
02-07-2008, 03:52 PM
Power is by far my least favorite Q and not U album. Different Damage and No Kill No Beep Beep are both awesome though.


Also, it's nice to know that not all music from DC sucks!

Have I made you listen to the Dismemberment Plan yet? You may or may not like them.

Rag Doll
02-07-2008, 03:54 PM
Can you actually up No Kill No Beep Beep for me, Josh? like i said, mine skips =(

coke_a_holic
02-07-2008, 04:03 PM
Have I made you listen to the Dismemberment Plan yet? You may or may not like them.

You did and I wasn't really into them, but that was at least a year ago; I'm gonna re-listen to the two songs you put up.

I'll put up Different Damage in half an hour or so; I'm going to finish downloading before I start uploading.

nieh
02-07-2008, 04:33 PM
Can you actually up No Kill No Beep Beep for me, Josh? like i said, mine skips =(
Yes

You did and I wasn't really into them, but that was at least a year ago; I'm gonna re-listen to the two songs you put up.


Which two songs are they? Their early stuff is way different from their later stuff.

BREAK
02-07-2008, 04:45 PM
Also, it's nice to know that not all music from DC sucks! Hurray for Dischord bands!

o_0

May I direct your attention to:

Unrest
Air Miami
Jawbox
Nation of Ulysses
Shudder to Think
The obvious I'm not going to mention because they're too obvious and I've mentioned them too much in the past U NO WHO I MEAN

Yeah most of those were on Dischord, but still, what would make you say such a fucked-up wrong thing about your hometown?

coke_a_holic
02-07-2008, 04:50 PM
http://www.itrafik.net/IMG/jpg_0103_good_charlotte_a.jpg

This.

And yeah, I've been trying to get into more Dischord bands, so thanks for the recommendations; Shudder To Think and Jawbox have been on my list to check out for some time, I didn't know they were from DC, though. Awesome.

EDIT: Q And Not U - Different Damage (http://www.sendspace.com/file/st61iu)

JohnnyNemesis
02-07-2008, 04:56 PM
That dude on the far left is the gayest thing I've ever seen.

Jakebert
02-07-2008, 05:10 PM
The chubby guy looks like some fan that stumbled into the picture when no one was paying attention.

Nineteen Seventy Nine
02-07-2008, 07:47 PM
Thanks a ton Sam, Josh, and Mike for the music.

nieh
02-08-2008, 03:59 AM
Q and not U - No Kill, No Beep Beep (http://www.sendspace.com/file/xqr3gn)

GBH2
02-11-2008, 05:57 PM
it bugs me how indie has become its own genre, and spawned those "indie kid" fans, you know, the ones that think they're all cool just because they listen to lame ass bands that no one has ever heard of. They think of themselves as some kind of high authority on music and the art of music.

i may be a bit off and just spewing random nonsense, so feel free to correct me

WebDudette
02-11-2008, 06:07 PM
Yeah, but the oposite of that is just as annoying if not more.
'I've never heard of that band, they must suck.'

I'd also like to add that whenever I mention going to see a band someone hasn't heard of they immediately assume its a local band.

GBH2
02-11-2008, 07:35 PM
touche

i'd say i agree with you there

coke_a_holic
02-13-2008, 06:52 PM
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BREAK
02-13-2008, 09:11 PM
it bugs me how indie has become its own genre, and spawned those "indie kid" fans, you know, the ones that think they're all cool just because they listen to lame ass bands that no one has ever heard of. They think of themselves as some kind of high authority on music and the art of music.

i may be a bit off and just spewing random nonsense, so feel free to correct me

OK.

I don't understand your mentality. How in the world can somebody being a fan of stuff I've never heard of possibly be a bad thing? That shit's beneficial, I mean if you're open at all to the idea of getting into new music. I look at it like "You mean there's good music out there I haven't heard yet? Holy shit!", which to me makes more sense than "You like music I haven't heard of? Fuck you!" Or I could see it if you're saying like "I don't care what music you like, just don't take a superior attitude with me." I mean, I don't see how it makes any sense at all for different factions of music fans to be warring with each other. It doesn't make any sense to hate the fans of anything, whether it be emo, hip hop, metal, electro, indie, you know why? Because no matter what you listen to, the majority of people probably hate it. That's right, most everybody thinks your music sucks, so fuck it. And you can't change people's minds, either. People are going to like what they like no matter what, and there is no good, rational reason for liking anything, so leave em alone.