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RonWelty
06-08-2008, 11:11 AM
[ENGLISH]
http://consequenceofsound.net/2008/06/09/album-review-rise-and-fall-rage-and-grace/ [C-]
http://www.listal.com/music/rise-fall-rage-grace-the-offspring
http://www.absolutepunk.net/showthread.php?t=334581 [67%]
http://www.sputnikmusic.com/review_25948 [4/5]
http://thealbumproject.net/2008/06/full-review-the-offspring-rise-and-fall-rage-and-grace/ [2/5]
http://www.rock-metal-music-reviews.com/album-review-the-offspring-rise-and-fall-rage-and-grace/
[NON-ENGLISH]
http://www.valve-magazine.net/content/view/545/71/ [3/5] German
http://www.musicheadquarter.de/v1/cd-reviews/the-offspring-rise-and-fall-rage-and-grace_876.html German
http://blitz.aeiou.pt/gen.pl?p=stories&op=view&fokey=bz.stories/24886 Portuguese
http://passzio.hu/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=14513 Hungarian
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Post here links of reviews you know and i will upload the list.

Steady
06-08-2008, 11:14 AM
Cool man, sounds like a good idea to me *Thumbs Up*

leo3375
06-09-2008, 12:12 AM
Can we please have this stickied? Then there won't be an avalanche of threads for each and every published review.

Little_Miss_1565
06-09-2008, 08:51 AM
Can we please have this stickied? Then there won't be an avalanche of threads for each and every published review.

Sure, why not. :)

RonWelty
06-09-2008, 07:13 PM
first one up

zabumba
06-09-2008, 07:21 PM
assholes, comparing some new offspring material to My Chemical Romance and saying that one song is a copy from American Idiot? , WFT ??

leo3375
06-09-2008, 07:22 PM
Was that guy listening to the same album we heard?

hshduppsnt
06-09-2008, 07:24 PM
where the hell did THAT review come from?
was he even listening to the same music?

well i mean to each his own but... well i dunno... i respectfully disagree

RonWelty
06-09-2008, 07:26 PM
Can we please have this stickied? Then there won't be an avalanche of threads for each and every published review.

that's why i created this one ;)

IamSam
06-09-2008, 07:27 PM
Wow. Does that guy understand musical evolution?

jacknife737
06-09-2008, 07:30 PM
Wow. Does that guy understand musical evolution?

Apparently not.

maplejet
06-09-2008, 07:35 PM
"The dance-y “You’re Gonna Go Far, Kid” seemingly competes with the Panic! crowd,"


What? How the hell is it supposed to be competing with the Panic! crowd...this guy just doesn't know how to review.

hshduppsnt
06-09-2008, 07:37 PM
"The dance-y “You’re Gonna Go Far, Kid” seemingly competes with the Panic! crowd,"


What? How the hell is it supposed to be competing with the Panic! crowd...this guy just doesn't know how to review.

you know, to be honest, a few of the things he said could've been ripped straight from this message board...

ridiculous.

What because it has the word dance? hahaha I stopped worrying about what he said when he made that comparison.

Unnatural Disaster
06-09-2008, 08:12 PM
lol He was comparing The Offspring and Green Day right from the beginning and talking about how much better Green Day was, then when he says the Offspring's songs were sounding like Green Day, he used it in a negative fashion...lol

drex878
06-09-2008, 08:17 PM
Offspring fan or not, that review was bogus. I'll wait for trustworthy sites to review this.

The Man From Tallahassee
06-09-2008, 08:29 PM
That guy decided he wasn't going to like the album before he even listened to/reviewed it, you can just tell. I'm not being biased and saying no one is allowed to dislike The Offspring, but he's obviously looked for negativity. He never really says whether he likes the songs or not, he just complains about what they are.

Not a constructive review at all. Even if the review had been positive but backed up with equally-as-lame opinions and justifications I'd still be calling it a poor review.

Venezuelan_Nightmare
06-09-2008, 08:40 PM
http://www.entradalibre.org/index.php?module=announce&ANN_user_op=view&ANN_id=1105
Spanish review.. not so much but it talk about the new tour and some others...=)

Jakebert
06-09-2008, 08:57 PM
That guy decided he wasn't going to like the album before he even listened to/reviewed it, you can just tell. I'm not being biased and saying no one is allowed to dislike The Offspring, but he's obviously looked for negativity. He never really says whether he likes the songs or not, he just complains about what they are.

Not a constructive review at all. Even if the review had been positive but backed up with equally-as-lame opinions and justifications I'd still be calling it a poor review.

I disagree with this quite a bit. While I haven't heard the whole album yet and can't say whether I disagree with the review, the idea that he went in already knowing what his opinion would be. He DOES say what he thinks of the songs, and I honestly don't know where you're getting that he doesn't. What the songs are is why he doesn't like them, and that's what he's describing.

But, on a more personal note, if your username is a reference to what I think it is, you have an excellent username.

Devidence
06-09-2008, 09:19 PM
I agree in the sense that the first half is much stronger. They detour from the Offspring sound in the majority of the second, and it's hit and miss for me sadly.

Cock Joke
06-09-2008, 09:27 PM
Read the comments under Michael Roffman's reviews! They all hate him!

That dude doesn't know what he's talking about. Does he really want them to be just 100% punk? Then he complains that the later albums have sillier songs, then he complains about this one having softer sounding songs and some other bullshit! I like that there are the softer songs! It makes for a nice, solid album!

Lethargyy
06-09-2008, 09:33 PM
I can honestly say that in my opinion, every song is 10/10, except Rise and Fall, which is a 9.9/10. Because the one part, where it says where it says told you so twice, it just seems awkward. (That and the fact the it sounds sorta like American Idiot, but like 100 times better.) But anywho, the album is fucking amazing. Especially A Lot Like Me. I can't understand how people don't like it, its sooo incredible.

The Man From Tallahassee
06-09-2008, 09:48 PM
But, on a more personal note, if your username is a reference to what I think it is, you have an excellent username.
And what do you think it is? The fact you said that suggests you're spot on! :)

Cheers.

Xyrin
06-10-2008, 12:24 AM
Wow.

A person who goes and compares something like that with other things that are popular, are not suppose to be the one writing the review.

Almost half of the songs on the CD he has compared towards another band. "Oh, it sounds like this. And this and this and this."

Get over yourself, listen to the song and stop trying to bash it just because there's a chord stroke that's in another song.

Oh my lord! Rise and Fall has the same Drum beat as American Idiot! IT MUST BE HOAX!

*Sigh* Ignorance and Arrogance should be left out of a review.

thrice170487
06-10-2008, 02:33 AM
Kinda short, but hey...:)

http://thealbumproject.net/2008/06/1-liner-the-offspring-rise-and-fall-rage-and-grace/

If you're too lazy to click:

"Well it seems The Offspring were successful on their time machine because they really have reverted to their roots and former style. Time to get excited if you enjoyed, ‘Smash’, ‘Ixnay on the Hombre’, or even parts of ‘Americana’."

skoko
06-10-2008, 02:57 AM
Kinda short, but hey...:)

http://thealbumproject.net/2008/06/1-liner-the-offspring-rise-and-fall-rage-and-grace/

If you're too lazy to click:

"Well it seems The Offspring were successful on their time machine because they really have reverted to their roots and former style. Time to get excited if you enjoyed, ‘Smash’, ‘Ixnay on the Hombre’, or even parts of ‘Americana’."

a short one, but it says it all (mostly - what misses is a comment on the "slower" songs which you can´t find on smash, ixnay and americana)

thrice170487
06-10-2008, 03:05 AM
Time to get excited if you enjoyed, ‘Smash’, ‘Ixnay on the Hombre’, or even parts of ‘Americana’."

Who did not enjoy those?:rolleyes::):)

eric79
06-10-2008, 03:15 AM
If they want to sell a lot of these records 'a lot like me' should be their next single.

effreyj
06-10-2008, 05:20 AM
I can't believe that first review called "Stuff is Messed Up" a throwaway track. The lyrics are really strong in that song and it's a fun one to listen to.

Orange County
06-10-2008, 06:16 AM
lol ripped from another forum.


I got a promo yesterday. It's absolute rubbish.

Track 1 is Helena by MCR.
Track 2 is Smash but with an AFI Chours.
Track 3 is Panic at the Disco.
Track 4 saves it from being a complete farce.
Track 5 is 30 Seconds to Mars.

The rest is actual Green Day. The last track is the most shameless rip off of American Idiot I've ever heard. It's the same riff. The same production. The same structure.

I used to love this band. First album I ever bought was Americana about 10 years ago. I can't hate this album, but it's poor. It's embarrassing. These guys are in their 40s, this is album number 8 and in some vein struggle for relevance they've reinvented their sound by way of ripping off every band that's been pop punk and been popular in the last 3 years. They shouldn't NEED to do this. They brought the very genre they are now seeking to emulate, into the public eye. I just don't understand it.

The production is crud too. It's so bland. Guitars merge into one. The bass has no definition and even Josh Freese playing is bland, which is a shame.

All of the up beat tracks have mainly the same melody in the chorus too.

URGH. Hideous.

It does get 1 point though for being the first Offspring album since Smash with no novelty single.

What a fucking knob jockey :rolleyes:

carlmc25
06-10-2008, 08:28 AM
actually, I sort of agree with him - about the second half of the album anyway. I love the Offspring, one of my all time favourite bands and I had one of the biggest grins on my face listening to the first 6 or 7 tracks last night, but the second half of the album was embarrassing on the first listen (I do recognise that some songs may grow on repeat listens).

The first 6 were classic Offspring, heavy, in your face, anthemic - the last 6 were (I'm not happy to say) very VERY Green Day American Idiot in places. I'm in work at the moment so it's difficult to refer to exact songs, but I didn't really like any of the last 5 songs. I quite liked Kristy, although it was obviously aimed at the Green Day Time of Your Life market, as was Fix You. A couple of the other songs sounded almost borderline plagiaristic of American Idiot and not as good. I don't like Green Day all that much, I much prefer The Offspring and see no reason why they should compromise their sound and aggression to become jokey/soft. I'm glad there were no awful 'Why don't you get a job' or 'Pretty Fly' but the second half of the album was a major let down. Even Stuff is Messed Up was weak on the first listen, the only one that sounded ok was Rock Bottom. First half brilliant, second half (on first listen) not good.

machacha
06-10-2008, 09:21 AM
I just reguister to write this. I-m a fan of The Offsrpuing since IGNITION.

A lot of time has pass, I just end listening to they latest, and I got to say, It-s brilliant, they havent lose anything!!! AFTER ALL THIS YEARS THIS GUYS STILL HAVE IT. , and all I-m hearing of Rise and Fall, Rage and Grace is a plus, musically, the lyrics,

Amazing work.

THE OFFSRPING STILL KICKING SERIOUS BUTT.

Thanx for this amazing album

Count Orlok
06-10-2008, 02:28 PM
THE OFFSRPING STILL KICKING SERIOUS BUTT.

Thanx for this amazing album

Good post!

The_Bass
06-10-2008, 02:33 PM
All I can say at the moment is, holy, fucking shit.

RonWelty
06-10-2008, 02:38 PM
http://www.listal.com/music/rise-fall-rage-grace-the-offspring

Marco
06-10-2008, 02:38 PM
I get the feeling that this album is either gonna be loved or hated...

RonWelty
06-10-2008, 02:44 PM
I get the feeling that this album is either gonna be loved or hated...

some ones will undertand its grace , and others can't hold their rage....followed by a rise or fall of the offspring in their hearts

dff_punk
06-10-2008, 02:46 PM
http://www.listal.com/music/rise-fall-rage-grace-the-offspring

Even though it's not completely positive, I liked this one.

mrXniick
06-10-2008, 04:01 PM
http://www.listal.com/music/rise-fall-rage-grace-the-offspring

score doesn't seem to match up with his review. I thought he seemed pretty positive.

Jack-UK
06-10-2008, 04:46 PM
score doesn't seem to match up with his review. I thought he seemed pretty positive.
Same, was expecting at least a 7...

Unnatural Disaster
06-10-2008, 04:51 PM
I guess the fact that Kristy and Takes Me Nowhere were not outstanding took off some points for him.

brad_logan
06-10-2008, 04:53 PM
i cannot believe some of the responses to this on here

the person who said "every song is a 10/10 except for one which is a 9.9"... what? are you like 13? (if you are then sorry, and enjoy adolescence!)

but i think the review was harsh but fair in places. I dont think ANY of it was TOTALLY unjustified, (no the panic! comparisons dont just come from the word dance) (yes i agree panic! are shite and the offspring ARE a classic band). the second half of the album IS blander/slightly greenday-esque. He's right, 'stuff is messed up' is not as good an attempt at pissed off as they have done in the past. he's a little too critical of it perhaps (i still think the track is good, and the album is listenable) but be objective! the review isnt great but it isnt a journalistic travesty either.

far worse are reviews which go (yeah so offspring new cd, amazing, track 1, amazing, track 2 amazing).(track 3, amazing) and so on. dirty magic is a great song, fix you is far from that. i just think the reviewer is a little dissapointed that this isnt as good as some of their other albums. and who can blame him? if you love something, you have a right to be a bit dissapointed with a later release. in the same way the band have a right to do what they like with their own musical direction.

bouncingcoles
06-10-2008, 07:21 PM
If they want to sell a lot of these records 'a lot like me' should be their next single.

i agree that is my favorite song

Hombre316
06-10-2008, 09:15 PM
i understand the green day comparison cuz the similarities are definately there in place. but to say that OMG thats the same riff is ridiculous. it's not the same riff. what it is, is a similar sounding riff that given the song structure and how it was mixed lends itself to sound A LOT like American Idiot. if it were the same riff it would be the same riff...this is not.


Another thing is the trust in you is an AFI chorus...1. i font hear AFI in there 2. if anything its a rip off of all i want, which last i checked, they wrote.
ALL I WAAAAAAAAAAANT!
TRUST IN YOUUUUUUUU!
very similar.

reviews piss me off. reviewers let their biases in no matter what. if you hate the offspring your gonna hate this, if you love them you'll love it. time is what really tells us if something is great or not. I thought splinter was awesome, but over the course of time i've come to realize the flaws with it and find it to be a little less awesome than originally thought.

Hero08
06-10-2008, 09:36 PM
Does everyone knows where to download Rise and Fall, Rage and Grace? I can't wait to hear it.

ShutUpYouFuckingMime
06-10-2008, 09:47 PM
Usually if someone is really dedicated to something like a band, whenever they put out a new album they blindly praise it instead of listen to it constructively for what it really is. We're all excited that after 5 years The Offspring have released a new album. I think with some (not all) people with their "EVERY SONG FUCKING ROCKS! THIS IS THEIR BEST ALBUM EVER!!" it's the newness of the album that's talking, and not the person who's actually listening to it. You all say it's good because you want it to be good. I agree that it's a good album, and it definitely blows the last two out of the water, but I wouldn't go as far to say it's their best. I also find the album to be pretty top-heavy. The first few songs are the best songs The Offspring have written in a long time. As the album progresses, however, it starts to lose its punch. It kinda drifts into mediocrity for me. It's still a listenable album, but nowhere near the excellence of Smash, Ignition or Ixnay. I'll buy it, but not on the first day. I have bills to pay. I'll probably buy it in a few months though.

BIG Nicky
06-10-2008, 10:22 PM
I think that the album, overall, was well worth the wait. It's catchy as hell and some songs lean towards the experimental side (they turned out great in my opinion, surprising even). Although some of the songs could have been constructed with a little more emphasize on the musicianship, in my view.

Also, is it just me or do the verses and choruses in "Let's Hear it..." just seem to be out of place?

bhg_rulz2
06-10-2008, 11:45 PM
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Rise-Fall-Rage-Grace-Offspring/dp/B0018OAPAW
http://www.albumvote.co.uk/reviews.aspx?album=2968
http://www.absolutepunk.net/showthread.php?t=334581

thrice170487
06-11-2008, 02:01 AM
http://www.valve-magazine.net/content/view/545/71/

In German....

This guy is really hating Half-Truism...:eek::eek:

jacknife737
06-11-2008, 02:04 AM
One thing to keep in mind, is that the Offspring have never been a critical favorite, even when they put out something amazing.

thrice170487
06-11-2008, 02:09 AM
Another one in german...

http://www.musicheadquarter.de/v1/cd-reviews/the-offspring-rise-and-fall-rage-and-grace_876.html

A positive one this time:D

Cejus
06-11-2008, 02:23 AM
This guy is really hating Half-Truism...:eek::eek:
"kommt der Song doch erstaunlich harmlos daher"

HA! Harmless?! When I first heard the song in its album version, I was together with my brother. And we went both like this :eek: and then like this :D That song is anything but harmless. Its beginning is just explosively brilliant.

Indii
06-11-2008, 04:55 AM
German Visions magazine rates 4/12. Pretty lame review though. The writer seems to hate Bob Rock. I'm kind of bored so I'm gonna try a teanslation. This my first time, so don't blame me for pieces of bad or not understandable english.


Generally, everything is said by stating that Bob Rock produced The Offspring's eighth studio album. The man for the cultured and boring stadium sound. The man for Bands who have their most creative and wildest times behind them (metallica, Mötley Crüe, Gavin Rossdale...) Punk rock millionaires have been absent in this collection until now. Well, t wasn't likely that almost five years after the solid Splinter they would release an album with as much thrust(?) as Americana. But if you listen to the entire album, the question comes up, why something new, what did Dexter and Noodles think of that had to be recorded? The harmless bad standards like the opener "Half-Truism" or "Takes Me Nowhere"? Who would have thought that the okay pre-released single "Hammerhead" was the freshest and coolest song on the album. Because at the latest after this song it is obvious what The Offpring aim at these days: the rock and power ballad heaven! "A Lot Like Me" with pop keyboards, the just as banal (trite?) second single "Kristy, Are You Doing Okay?" and the (also for the title) Coldplay/U2-rip-off "Fix You" all make clear: They want to get airplay on the big USradio stations, next to Nickelback and 3 Doors Down. Thanks, Mr (Punk-?)Rock for the confirmation of a bitter theory. 4/12

Well, what can I say? He's pointing out the slower songs and then makes his sell-out-argument. I sometimes think The Offspring serve pretty good as victims for slightly frustrated music journalists.

brad_logan
06-11-2008, 05:08 AM
Usually if someone is really dedicated to something like a band, whenever they put out a new album they blindly praise it instead of listen to it constructively for what it really is. We're all excited that after 5 years The Offspring have released a new album. I think with some (not all) people with their "EVERY SONG FUCKING ROCKS! THIS IS THEIR BEST ALBUM EVER!!" it's the newness of the album that's talking, and not the person who's actually listening to it. You all say it's good because you want it to be good. I agree that it's a good album, and it definitely blows the last two out of the water, but I wouldn't go as far to say it's their best. I also find the album to be pretty top-heavy. The first few songs are the best songs The Offspring have written in a long time. As the album progresses, however, it starts to lose its punch. It kinda drifts into mediocrity for me. It's still a listenable album, but nowhere near the excellence of Smash, Ignition or Ixnay. I'll buy it, but not on the first day. I have bills to pay. I'll probably buy it in a few months though.


i completely agree, especially with the bits i have 'reddened'

kreks
06-11-2008, 06:04 AM
Listened to the new album today. When you hear some songs I'm sure you don't think that this is Offspring - this is crap! Most of the songs are very good but some of them are very slow, like some love songs which doesn't remind a punk-rock at all. Sorry but this is true.

Inferno
06-11-2008, 06:29 AM
Just got the album and started listening. Half-Truism is fucking shite.

Trust in You is decent. Reminds me of something off Ixnay. I'll report back one i've heard the entirety.

Jack-UK
06-11-2008, 06:32 AM
Half-Truism is fucking shite.
:eek:

1010101010101010101010

Inferno
06-11-2008, 06:38 AM
:eek:

1010101010101010101010
Just sounds like something one of the trendy bands of this period would write.

Not a great track at all in my opinion. Feel free to disagree though. :D

randman21
06-11-2008, 06:39 AM
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Rise-Fall-Rage-Grace-Offspring/dp/B0018OAPAW


the premature Greatest Hitsrofl. 21 years after they formed, 16 after their first album. N'sync has a Greatest Hits after 3 albums (one of which, a Christmas album) and Aerosmith after six years.

"kommt der Song doch erstaunlich harmlos daher"

HA! Harmless?! When I first heard the song in its album version, I was together with my brother. And we went both like this :eek: and then like this :D That song is anything but harmless. Its beginning is just explosively brilliant.
Haha. I know what you mean. But when I first heard the bad quality version of "Trust in You," I was like :D then :eek: It just amazed me.



I sometimes think The Offspring serve pretty good as victims for slightly frustrated music journalists.
Brilliant statement, friend. I've noticed this a lot over the years. Some people review them as if they hate the guys themselves.


Also, is it just me or do the verses and choruses in "Let's Hear it..." just seem to be out of place?
YES. It's unfortunate, actually. If I liked the chorus as much as I do the verses, it'd be one of my favorite songs on the album.
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Overall, I just wish people would stop comparing these songs to stuff they just heard fifteen minutes ago. Bugs the shit outta me.

Buller
06-11-2008, 06:57 AM
rofl. 21 years after they formed, 16 after their first album. N'sync has a Greatest Hits after 3 albums (one of which, a Christmas album) and Aerosmith after six years.

Haha. I know what you mean. But when I first heard the bad quality version of "Trust in You," I was like :D then :eek: It just amazed me.


Brilliant statement, friend. I've noticed this a lot over the years. Some people review them as if they hate the guys themselves.

YES. It's unfortunate, actually. If I liked the chorus as much as I do the verses, it'd be one of my favorite songs on the album.
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Overall, I just wish people would stop comparing these songs to stuff they just heard fifteen minutes ago. Bugs the shit outta me.


I think that Dexter has that affect on people because of his brilliance. Its just plain envy..

thrice170487
06-11-2008, 07:18 AM
:D Nice review i found, it's by.....me:D...

http://www.cdstarts.de/kritiken/98449-Rise-And-Fall%2C-Rage-And-Grace/Gastkritiken.html

Thought it would be a good way to support them.

Its in German...but believe me.....its positive:D:D

american_prankster
06-11-2008, 08:17 AM
Okay, here's my one...

Trust In You
I guess this is my favorite song off the brand new album. Sounds like 'Smash' in the verses and interlude, 'Ixnay' & 'CO1' in everything else - definitely old material saved for the new record. It doesn't seem to be a single off the album, more like a background track. The sounding... oh, top of the top. Offspring stylie. Argh. It just kicks ass. 10/10.

Stuff Is Messed Up
Nice. Not a thing censored. Full expression, the nowadays. Sounds like 'Ixnay' era (like 'Pay The Man'). Lyrics sound fresh. Although intro drums reminded me of smth like Green Day's 'Dookie' or 'A.I', but that's shit. Chorus - gets the tunes in my head. A jammy song. I like that. Anywayz - 9/10.

You're Gonna Go Far, Kid
Enjoyed the live version more than the album one. It's faster and more 'punk'. The vocals on the record... they are different, you know. Seems like if Dex would give his soul for this song while recording the vocals part. Sounds kinda Good ol' 90's rock. 8/10

Takes Me Nowhere
Pennywise. Reminds me of the 90's sound... Surf punk, that's it. Rhythmic. This song rocks. 9/10

A Lot Like Me
New, something new for The Offspring. At first, it reminded me Coldplay... that flying melody, those calm tunes... and a little bit of Depeche Mode ('Enjoy The Silence'). It's... just perfect. Yes, maybe not too 'Offspring'; it kinda reminds me the situation when Metallica recorded their 'St. Anger' - it's a blast, it's fast, it's heavy - but it's not for Metallica. Anyway, the song inspired me... "Dude, it sounds awesome on my piano!!.." - 10/10. Goddammitttt, I can't get the tune OUT OF MY HEAD! It's brilliant!

Hammerhead
First of the songs... first single... The record sounds strange. I guess, this one is the one that was recorded as a demo and hasn't been re-recorded (Dexter's Journal?). Nice lyrics, sounds ironic, but as a protest. There are a couple of seconds that I didn't like - the "with mee-ee" part. But anyway, it sounds really fresh. 7/10.

Half-Truism
Live in Melbourne sounds great, so does the album track. Definitely a new punk anthem. A protesting song, with unforgettable Chorus lines. A little bit pop, but still punk enough. When I hear this song, I think of a hundred-punk army heading somewhere. 8/10

Fix You
Coldplay. No offense to the British guys, it just doesn't sound to be the Offspring. When I first saw the "Fix You" note, I really thought it would be a not heavy calm song. And so it is. 7/10

Kristy, Are You Doing Okay?
It's a serious subject, you know. Sounds like - Blink-182, Green Day & Californian '00 punk scene. Kinda pop-rock. 6/10

Let's Hear It For Rock Bottom
Verse reminds me of 'the Worst Hangover Ever', dunno why. A bit ska, a bit post-punk. A little guitar doodle, a little bass riff-raff. 7/10

Nothingtown
Totally GD, especially the bass line. La-la, still stuck in town. 6/10 I think.

Rise And Fall
6/10. I've waited more 'grace' from this song. It's a tradition to name the album after the last song in the tracklist (except for the Self-Title album, 'Ignition' - a.k.a 'Burn It Up', 'Splinter'), but I though this soung would be kind of a serious, kind of a punk, or even heavier. And yet, another Green Day tune. Totally 'American Idiot'. Coincidence? Well no, I mean it's not like that I don't like Green Day; it's just that MY FAVORITE band doesn't need any other band to be a copy of. The Offspring is unique. Remember that, kids. ;)


The difference of the guitar sound on the songs can be noticed - probably recorded in different studios ;)
Is it something with Greg? Or maybe Dexter writes the basslines also... 'cause I think they are more custom than the previous ones.
The guys from the band demonstrated the new album from the strong side - 'Hammerhead' as a first single and a live premiere, 'Half-Truism', 'You're Gonna Go Far, Kid', 'Trust In You' on youtube.com... Maybe the first impression tricked me, but I still like the new record. Have it downloaded, with a crappy bitrate, but I'm going to the local store as soon as they have the CD. Gonna buy it. Definitely. Well, I promise! :D

P.S. I guess this review doesn't get any critics from you smart people.
Oh yeah, and my hopes for the 'O.C. Life' track. Can't wait to hear this one too. ^^

randman21
06-11-2008, 09:19 AM
Review I didn't actually read...
That version of O.C. Life is actually posted in one of these threads if you want to find it.

T_immortal
06-11-2008, 09:44 AM
Lyrically, their best album to date, musically, first half far outshines the rest, although that's not to say tracks 7-12 are bad by any means, they just don't have the appeal the first 6 have, if you know what I'm saying. I just don't know why people seem to be hating on "Fix You" and "Kristy" :( They're not bad songs, I mean yeah it's not what we're used to hearing from them, but sometimes different works, sometimes it doesn't right? :) But it's worth mentioning again that the lyrics in Rise and Fall, Rage and Grace are the best Dexter has written, in my opinion anyways.

aermetikvm
06-11-2008, 10:53 AM
okay i know many of you would call me a jerk since i wont do an actual review of this. well it's too much bothering for this album. i'm an offspring fan for 10 years and i like every single albume very much till this one.actually i just signed up to this forum just hoping that the guys from offspring would read this. my first important message is: WHAT'S WRONG? okay...i know bob rock is an total commercial asshole but i hadn't thought that it would make such an impact to the band by turning them into greenday wannabes. i listened to the album and i was hearing everything else but the offspring. where is the offspring signature sound/riffs/style? offspring always made good original music.the last album is just a poppy junk that sounds like greenday. SORRY OFFSPRING I AM VERY DISAPOINTED! SHAME OF YOURSELVES! i hate that i had to post this! i just can't get a grip of myself.

RonWelty
06-11-2008, 12:39 PM
updated list. More to follow

Obie2trice
06-11-2008, 01:22 PM
:D Nice review i found, it's by.....me:D...

http://www.cdstarts.de/kritiken/98449-Rise-And-Fall%2C-Rage-And-Grace/Gastkritiken.html

Thought it would be a good way to support them.

Its in German...but believe me.....its positive:D:D

You`re gonna go far kid the hit of this summer, yeah!

Capricorn4
06-11-2008, 01:37 PM
I found one but it's in Hungarian.
http://passzio.hu/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=14513
It's a pretty good review.Mainly it's about that although they're over forty still can make very energetic,not overcomplicated songs,some of them could be a new summer hit,etc.I'll post the exact translation a couple days later.

Marco
06-11-2008, 02:02 PM
Why isn't hte album on iTunes??? Just two days left and no pre-order, no commercials, nothing...:S

RonWelty
06-11-2008, 02:11 PM
Why isn't hte album on iTunes??? Just two days left and no pre-order, no commercials, nothing...:S

i think SONY doesn´t have a nice contract with ITUNES ...

RonWelty
06-11-2008, 03:45 PM
http://www.sputnikmusic.com/review_25948

IamSam
06-11-2008, 03:50 PM
http://www.sputnikmusic.com/review_25948

Very good and well written. It seems that he actually listened to the album and read the lyrics.

Indii
06-11-2008, 04:30 PM
Very good and well written. It seems that he actually listened to the album and read the lyrics.

Right. He doesn't use the word "punk" once. I like that...

IamSam
06-11-2008, 04:33 PM
Right. He doesn't use the word "punk" once. I like that...

What strikes me as golden is that he realizes the Offspring haven't been completely punk in years.

Ninty Man
06-11-2008, 05:39 PM
What strikes me as golden is that he realizes the Offspring haven't been completely punk in years.

Offspring is punk as fuck... they don't follow the trendy assholes that call themselves punk and uses mohawk... FUCK, DEXTER IS SO PUNK THAT CALLED HIS PRIVATE AIRPLANE ANARCHY!!!!!!!!

PunkBenji
06-12-2008, 05:20 AM
Lol

The first review is from a Green Day fan...

Great album, loved the new sound :)

LIZA
06-12-2008, 06:58 AM
Usually if someone is really dedicated to something like a band, whenever they put out a new album they blindly praise it instead of listen to it constructively for what it really is. We're all excited that after 5 years The Offspring have released a new album. I think with some (not all) people with their "EVERY SONG FUCKING ROCKS! THIS IS THEIR BEST ALBUM EVER!!" it's the newness of the album that's talking, and not the person who's actually listening to it. You all say it's good because you want it to be good. I agree that it's a good album, and it definitely blows the last two out of the water, but I wouldn't go as far to say it's their best. I also find the album to be pretty top-heavy. The first few songs are the best songs The Offspring have written in a long time. As the album progresses, however, it starts to lose its punch. It kinda drifts into mediocrity for me. It's still a listenable album, but nowhere near the excellence of Smash, Ignition or Ixnay. I'll buy it, but not on the first day. I have bills to pay. I'll probably buy it in a few months though.

I agree.
Lyrics are really good but many of the songs kinda sound like all those songs they're playing in the radio all day long. The album isn't really bad but I'm missing the typical Offspring sound - unfortunately. Waiting so long for the new album, I'm a little bit disappointed by the result.

Rooster
06-12-2008, 07:19 AM
I agree.
Lyrics are really good but many of the songs kinda sound like all those songs they're playing in the radio all day long. The album isn't really bad but I'm missing the typical Offspring sound - unfortunately. Waiting so long for the new album, I'm a little bit disappointed by the result.

I can understand you, but what would happen if they released another album with their "typical sound" (which is in my opinion still present on RFRG)? Look what happened to Trust In You for example: a lot of people were calling the song a Smash clone or a mixture between Smash and All I Want. A lot of people wouldn't care if the album was good or not, they wouls just see the band ripping themselves of and accusing them of a lack of imagination and creativity. Isn't it better that every album has some uniqueness, because that way they never get old.

brothadave79
06-12-2008, 07:23 AM
I can't get to the sputnikmusic website to read that review? Any chance someone can send the text to me?

RonWelty
06-12-2008, 07:25 AM
http://thealbumproject.net/2008/06/full-review-the-offspring-rise-and-fall-rage-and-grace/

T_immortal
06-12-2008, 08:45 AM
http://thealbumproject.net/2008/06/full-review-the-offspring-rise-and-fall-rage-and-grace/

That review sounded a lot more positive than the score he gave it lol

brothadave79
06-12-2008, 08:51 AM
EDIT: I just realized which review you were referring to. If you really read what he's saying, he's not very pleased with it. Saying the band ripped both itself and green day off as well as calling songs "crude" don't sound real positive.

IamSam
06-12-2008, 10:07 AM
That review sounded a lot more positive than the score he gave it lol

Yeah...odd review for a 2 out of 5.

HeadAroundU
06-12-2008, 11:35 AM
:D Nice review i found, it's by.....me:D...

http://www.cdstarts.de/kritiken/98449-Rise-And-Fall%2C-Rage-And-Grace/Gastkritiken.html

Thought it would be a good way to support them.

Its in German...but believe me.....its positive:D:D
Ron Welty, delete that review, it's by offspring fan.

I'm waiting for allmusic and rollingstone review. Those will be important.

RonWelty
06-12-2008, 11:53 AM
Ron Welty, delete that review, it's by offspring fan.

I'm waiting for allmusic and rollingstone review. Those will be important.

okay, thanks

JohnnyNemesis
06-12-2008, 01:29 PM
Reviews are not important at all. Ever. They're just fun to look at sometimes, that's all.

HeadAroundU
06-12-2008, 01:48 PM
I didn't say that reviews are important! I've said that those 2 reviews will be important (significant?) in the "world" of reviews.

I'm pumped for those reviews. I hope that at least one of them will give them 4 stars.

I want it, so at the end it is important for me. :)

drex878
06-12-2008, 08:03 PM
http://www.albumvote.co.uk/reviews.aspx?album=2968

brian.offspring
06-12-2008, 08:20 PM
[SPANISH] (Argentina)


http://www.clarin.com/suplementos/si/2008/06/13/3-01692762.htm

jacknife737
06-12-2008, 11:28 PM
http://www.albumvote.co.uk/reviews.aspx?album=2968

He used "tasty" as an adjective three times. FAIL!

Phix
06-13-2008, 02:43 AM
allmusic didn't write a full review but they gave it a 2 out of 5. bastards

thyforsaken
06-13-2008, 09:55 AM
lol He was comparing The Offspring and Green Day right from the beginning and talking about how much better Green Day was, then when he says the Offspring's songs were sounding like Green Day, he used it in a negative fashion...lol

Is that so strange?
Nofx does nofx songs better than lagwagon does nofx song
Greenday does greenday songs better than offspring does greenday songs

HeadAroundU
06-13-2008, 04:24 PM
allmusic didn't write a full review but they gave it a 2 out of 5. bastards
Fucking assholes!!! egjegfjkjk;beiw :D
http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=10:3nfyxzujldfe

Jakebert
06-13-2008, 04:49 PM
The lack of a review is pretty weird. I've seen them do that on some older albums, but never on anything released in the past 10 years.

RonWelty
06-13-2008, 04:54 PM
if they do not write why they gave such a stupid score, i will not post that allmusic review in the first post.

Phix
06-13-2008, 05:19 PM
well, i guess they're waiting for the official release

brothadave79
06-13-2008, 08:48 PM
no rating, but positive: http://www.rock-metal-music-reviews.com/album-review-the-offspring-rise-and-fall-rage-and-grace/

BIG Nicky
06-13-2008, 09:39 PM
Fucking assholes!!! egjegfjkjk;beiw :D
http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=10:3nfyxzujldfe

Wow, they gave it an even lower rating than Splinter. That's somewhat unethical to me.

edit: 400th post!

jacknife737
06-14-2008, 12:26 AM
Most music review sites tend to trash albums from bands such as the Offspring, whilst giving rave reviews to the anarcho-folk-techno-dance-remix album of some obscure indie band that a total of 7 people are aware of worldwide.

Phix
06-14-2008, 05:48 AM
Most music review sites tend to trash albums from bands such as the Offspring, whilst giving rave reviews to the anarcho-folk-techno-dance-remix album of some obscure indie band that a total of 7 people are aware of worldwide.

so fucking true

drex878
06-14-2008, 05:04 PM
http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=10:3nfyxzujldfe - 2/5

It shows 'indicates' next to songs. AMG chose You're Gonna Go Far Kid, Hammerhead, and Stuff Is Messed Up

edit: It's crazy how Splinter manages to get a 2.5/5, beating RAFRAG on the same website. A nice example of how reviews are useless. Majority of fans love it, majority of reviewers dislike it. Nothing new to see here.

drex878
06-14-2008, 06:19 PM
Sorry for the double post, but here is billboards's review:
http://www.billboard.com/bbcom/content_display/reviews/albums/e3id5f52df31901946c0457720e65afc6b2

brothadave79
06-14-2008, 07:36 PM
http://www.mp3.com/albums/20152775/reviews.html

Phix
06-15-2008, 04:32 AM
allmusic wrote a full review

Rutegard
06-15-2008, 05:41 AM
huum as far as i've read....they are all nice reviews...good

Joe Ging
06-15-2008, 06:19 AM
Found a French review:

http://amopov.wordpress.com/2008/06/15/the-offspring-rise-and-fall-rage-and-grace-1506/ (http://amopov.wordpress.com/2008/06/15/the-offspring-rise-and-fall-rage-and-grace-1506/)

ThunderPX
06-15-2008, 06:50 AM
Oh allmusic. They always know how to make me smile.

Wait, allmusic is a parody site, right?

HeadAroundU
06-15-2008, 10:35 AM
huum as far as i've read....they are all nice reviews...good
They are all barely average. :(

Oh allmusic. They always know how to make me smile.
Lul, quite a negative review. They are not super current and their music is immature. The next album will be produced with Timbaland and without pummeling eighth notes.

joeyjoejoe04019
06-15-2008, 01:18 PM
Most of the reviews seem to get more and more negative. i was reading NME and they give it 3/10. Hopefully kerrang will be more positive....

dff_punk
06-15-2008, 02:48 PM
I found one in czech language:
http://kvakpunkrock.cz/recenze/?ktera=135
:D
...very positive imho

GunForHire
06-15-2008, 02:56 PM
Most of the reviews seem to get more and more negative. i was reading NME and they give it 3/10. Hopefully kerrang will be more positive....

NME only like bullshit written by skinny guys wearing Converse and a multicoloured scarf. Magazine is absolute shit.

Manic Subsida
06-15-2008, 03:01 PM
I found one in czech language:
http://kvakpunkrock.cz/recenze/?ktera=135
:D
...very positive imho
And remember to vote The Offspring on the little poll on the right side. ^^
Just click The Offspring.

Rutegard
06-15-2008, 03:30 PM
And remember to vote The Offspring on the little poll on the right side. ^^
Just click The Offspring.

thanks for the tip :D

just voted

dff_punk
06-15-2008, 04:44 PM
And remember to vote The Offspring on the little poll on the right side. ^^
Just click The Offspring.

Lol, it means which band are you most looking forward to see live this summer :) Good you voted.

Manic Subsida
06-15-2008, 04:51 PM
Lol, it means which band are you most looking forward to see live this summer :) Good you voted.
Hehah. ^^
Lucky it wasn't something with "What band do you hate most of these ones?" xD

OffspringHead
06-15-2008, 06:50 PM
You might as well take the Rise and Fall Rage and Grace album and slap on "Coldplay with some guitar" onto it instead of The Offspring.

My Review 0-10- 3.5

drex878
06-15-2008, 07:09 PM
You might as well take the Rise and Fall Rage and Grace album and slap on "Coldplay with some guitar" onto it instead of The Offspring.

My Review 0-10- 3.5

Why, because there's two piano songs on this album and you can't handle that? Close minded tool. Wow.

pyrostatic_jim
06-15-2008, 08:13 PM
The allmusic.com review is up. They gave it 2/5.
Then again, they gave Ixnay 2.5/5 and basically said it was a pile of crap.
I do think this album doesn't compare well to the rest of their work (especially pre-Spinter). The Green Day influence really damages its quality. Also Fix You.

Rutegard
06-16-2008, 10:58 AM
Hehah. ^^
Lucky it wasn't something with "What band do you hate most of these ones?" xD

LOOOOOOOOOOL yeah

very lucky :P

medi01
06-16-2008, 11:20 AM
http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=10:3nfyxzujldfe - 2/5

that is the biggest amount of bullshit i have ever seen on a single webpage

especially if u compare it to this: http://www.rock-metal-music-reviews.com/album-review-the-offspring-rise-and-fall-rage-and-grace/

MorphlinG
06-16-2008, 06:30 PM
To members of "the offspring";;

I think the best song here is "A lot like me".
I also liked "Half-Truism", "Trust in you" and "You're gonna go far kid".
Generally I like what you did, but the thing I didn't like is the way you put all this together. To clarify; many different songs, almost all of them are unique in their own way yet put together on the same album.
I remember I read somewhere on the net that you(Dexter) said that this album is gonna sound more like the stuff you did pre-Americana, or like Smash and those albums.
I can't see that on this album.
For experimenting with new sounds I give you an "A".
For vocals an "A++" (Dexter's voice sounds great, and the backup vocals...amazing...)
For guitar "B" (like the old, "raw-like" guitar better;like the one on Smash, Ixnay...)
For the song "A lot like me" I give you "A+++" (the best song made by you)
For the whole album, with it's flaws and it's good sides a "B-".

I don't expect an answer, naturally, but wanted to congratulate you on the effort put in this album even if the opinions are very divided and range from "catastrophic" to "excellent".

Hope this album isn't the last of you.

Cheers!

SeanAshmore
06-16-2008, 06:35 PM
Dunno if this one has been posted yet but its a very positive review:

http://www.new-noise.net/album-reviews/the-offspring/rise-and-fall-rage-and-grace/the-offspring---rise-and-fall-rage-and-grace_4479.html

enjoy.

getitright
06-16-2008, 07:45 PM
man people need to get over comparing it to fuking smash. they say dexter needs to mature, hows about they stop comparing material to stuff 15years old and they will mature. assholes.

DefyYou39
06-16-2008, 08:36 PM
Some guys blog but I really agreed with what he said! It's pretty short to so check it out http://ckinva.blogspot.com/

Rutegard
06-17-2008, 03:45 AM
man people need to get over comparing it to fuking smash. they say dexter needs to mature, hows about they stop comparing material to stuff 15years old and they will mature. assholes.

dexter mature?? he's fucking mature!!

he's more mature than noodles and greg all together!!

ThunderPX
06-17-2008, 04:36 AM
They are all barely average. :(

Lul, quite a negative review. They are not super current and their music is immature. The next album will be produced with Timbaland and without pummeling eighth notes.

But hey, this is allmusic we're talking about. Their reviews never make any sense.

HeadAroundU
06-17-2008, 08:25 AM
I respect them. They are mostly negative but that's good. They can open my eyes sometimes.

Marco
06-17-2008, 10:19 AM
There's a positive review on Rolling Stone Italia...the guy gave them a 3 and a half stars out of 5.
He then concluded with somehting like "It's in the fast songs where the Offspring are greater, but after all you're always in good company when you hear them"

pyrostatic_jim
06-17-2008, 12:59 PM
Some guys blog but I really agreed with what he said! It's pretty short to so check it out http://ckinva.blogspot.com/

Totally agree too.

fergiepunk
06-17-2008, 03:13 PM
Most of the reviews seem to get more and more negative. i was reading NME and they give it 3/10. Hopefully kerrang will be more positive....

I read that review, utter trash that review was like most NME reviews. It wasn't really a review but a chance to insult the offspring. I loved the album and am enjoying it so much. NME are one of the biased magazines around and will only give a non indie rock album a good review if it has a huge following. I've read too many times on their magazine ' reviews ' which were really just them being your general indie pricks and slagging the hell out of anything not indie. Really it makes them seem like they are so unsure on what they listen to that they need to insult other styles to make their choice seem better. Their reviews lack any depth or detail, in this case they said the album sounded like nickelback and wasnt as good as american idiot so it deserves a 3. Exactly when did nickelback sound like this? And when did not being as good as american idiot (an album they gave 9/10 or 10/10 to) make it equal to 3?


p.s. before anyone moans when I say indie I mean bands like the killers, arctic monkeys, kaiser cheifs and such, not bands from an independant label.

dff_punk
06-17-2008, 05:08 PM
Dunno if this one has been posted yet but its a very positive review:

http://www.new-noise.net/album-reviews/the-offspring/rise-and-fall-rage-and-grace/the-offspring---rise-and-fall-rage-and-grace_4479.html

enjoy.

Now this is a feckin' good review. I agree with all of what's been said.

effreyj
06-17-2008, 07:29 PM
I'm kinda looking forward to IGN reviewing it...that's a big deal if they do well there because everyone reads that site. They have it listed in their reviews but when you click on it the link doesn't work.

Out on Patrol
06-17-2008, 07:34 PM
I don't have the disc yet (hasn't arrived to argentina :( )
My only question is: Is there a hidden track?

drex878
06-17-2008, 07:37 PM
I don't have the disc yet (hasn't arrived to argentina :( )
My only question is: Is there a hidden track?

Nope.
(ten)

Out on Patrol
06-17-2008, 07:57 PM
What a pity :(

I've just read (in wikipedia) that the Japanese version has a hidden track, called "O.C. Life".

jacknife737
06-17-2008, 08:01 PM
not sure if these have been posted, two positive reviews.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/4587154a20855.html

http://strangeglue.com/reviews/the-offspring-rise-and-fall-rage-and-grace

IamSam
06-17-2008, 08:11 PM
http://strangeglue.com/reviews/the-offspring-rise-and-fall-rage-and-grace


"Fix You" for instance, takes the certificate for being the band's first honest-to-goodness ballad. Really, *there are* pianos, slow arpeggios and strained attempts at creating a vocal tone which sits comfortably over the stripped down sound. Yes, perhaps it all sounds a little too "...September Ends" but for the band's first attempt it rests far away from the 'horrendous' and 'torturous' section in your local music shop, (also known as the Fueled By Ramen stand) even if it does take half the song for its appeal to become apparent.

I like this quote. This is exactly how I feel about Fix You.

HeadAroundU
06-17-2008, 09:03 PM
We need more of those. The 2nd one is really great! <3

drex878
06-17-2008, 09:07 PM
http://strangeglue.com/reviews/the-offspring-rise-and-fall-rage-and-grace

Of course it's nice to see a positive review, but I actually think this is a very even ended wrap up of RAFRAG. It also probably the only review that has made any sense. I really enjoyed reading it.

Jesus
06-18-2008, 02:43 AM
La times review: quite good for a mainstream newspaper

http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/news/music/la-et-recordrack17-2008jun17,0,1175247.story

fergiepunk
06-18-2008, 06:58 AM
kerrang gave it 4/5

Pretty good if you ask me.

Stylie
06-18-2008, 07:46 AM
Cool, those latest reviews are pretty good, almost top character. :)

fergiepunk
06-18-2008, 08:53 AM
I know this wont go down well, but I wrote a reply to nme about heir 'reviews'. It wasnt just for offspring they have a habbit of doing this kind of stuff.

Rooster
06-18-2008, 09:02 AM
Cool, those latest reviews are pretty good, almost top character. :)

Oh, look, a new junior member:D;)

Do you know Manic Subsida?:D

Scythe Death
06-18-2008, 02:06 PM
Wow. Does that guy understand musical evolution?

Apparently not, but he does seem to understand real things.

Ground Control
06-18-2008, 02:36 PM
Here's one to add to the list:

We just posted a review of RAFRAG on Ground Control. You can check it out here:

http://groundcontrolmag.com/detail/3/1085/

brothadave79
06-18-2008, 03:02 PM
Here's one to add to the list:

We just posted a review of RAFRAG on Ground Control. You can check it out here:

http://groundcontrolmag.com/detail/3/1085/

You're playing Half-Truism not Hammerhead.

Ground Control
06-18-2008, 03:10 PM
Wow, I totally uploaded the wrong track to stream. Thanks much for the heads up! It should be fixed now

brothadave79
06-18-2008, 03:20 PM
Good review though. A nice read.

Stylie
06-18-2008, 03:44 PM
Oh, look, a new junior member:D;)
Do you know Manic Subsida?:D

Don't call me a JUNIOR member, I hate that. xD
Manic Subsida? Noooooo, I've not heard of him. Have you?

mrXniick
06-18-2008, 05:32 PM
wow.. the IGN review was horribly written. The author did not even try to be objective instead letting is dislike of Bob Rock kill the album score. What a joke.

Johnny Birdbrook
06-18-2008, 05:41 PM
a new from one of germanys biggest music sites:

http://www.laut.de/lautstark/cd-reviews/o/offspring/rise_and_fall_rage_and_grace/index.htm

3 of 5


they call 'em aging punkrockers.. what makes me kinda sad :(

RonWelty
06-18-2008, 06:39 PM
http://music.ign.com/articles/882/882632p1.html

RonWelty
06-18-2008, 06:46 PM
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/ent/stories/DN-cd_offspring_0617gl.ART.State.Edition1.4d5e19d.htm l

leo3375
06-18-2008, 07:21 PM
I really wanna see Pitchfork review RAFRAG. That'll be good for a few laughs.

effreyj
06-18-2008, 07:49 PM
IGN REVIEWED IT FINALLY!!

http://music.ign.com/articles/882/882632p1.html

7.5/10

HeadAroundU
06-18-2008, 07:53 PM
http://music.ign.com/articles/882/882632p1.html
Very unprofessional.

Bob Rock? St.Anger? Call him wambulance somebody.

effreyj
06-18-2008, 07:54 PM
THey gave it a 7.5 and said that they hate Bob Rock but that the Offspring were good enough to overcome him. They liked the first four tracks the best on the album and said what everyone else has been saying that some of the later tracks sound like Green Day songs.

sidfarkus
06-18-2008, 08:04 PM
did anyone else notice the review on ign says smash was their major label debut? what a dumb fuck

jacknife737
06-18-2008, 08:16 PM
IGN REVIEWED IT FINALLY!!

http://music.ign.com/articles/882/882632p1.html

7.5/10

What the hell, is this amateur hour or something?


Holland screams in a song that mocks the rise and fall of a dance hall legend.

This golden line however had me laughing for quite some time....

Ninty Man
06-18-2008, 09:27 PM
What the hell, is this amateur hour or something?



This golden line however had me laughing for quite some time....

I don't get that line

Conspiracyof1000
06-18-2008, 09:39 PM
Stupid. So what if they sound similar? Offspring are better than Green Day, in case that's not obvious.

brothadave79
06-18-2008, 09:44 PM
Holland screams in a song that mocks the rise and fall of a dance hall legend.

Horrible. Just horrible. Way off; it makes me think of a really bad 80's music video.

Cock Joke
06-18-2008, 09:46 PM
Link please?????????????? :eek:

IamSam
06-18-2008, 09:52 PM
I just emailed the guy that did the review to explain a couple things to him as he apparently didn't pay that much attention when he reviewed the album.

Conspiracyof1000
06-18-2008, 10:03 PM
If there's one thing I learned from RAFRAG it's that you can't please everybody.

Moose
06-18-2008, 10:04 PM
ign...he said it was a good album...and hes right about it possibly being great, but coming up short...i would have given it between an 8 and an 8.5...

...but it was still overall a positive review from a website that is usually very tough in reviews.

...the album doesn't have any real bad songs, but i would rather have them gone in a different direction in some parts, like nothingtown...and although fix you is a nice change of pace, i feel the album doesnt regain its momentum after "takes me nowhere"

...i feel like if they took out "nothingtown", and put another powerful/fast song in there such as trust in you, the album would have been able to regain that momentum...or even adding 2 harder/faster/darker tracks inbetween the poppier sounding tracks would allow the album to keep it's momentum.

...lullabies to paralyze by queens of the stone age is similiar in the way the first half dominates the second half, and after about track 7, the album fails to regain it's momentum even though there are 2 very good track towards the end of the album...

...but both are still strong albums...its just obvious the first half is a lot stronger than the second half of the album, and that it loses that punch and momentum...

...still...u cant deny the overall strong delivery of this album and i would have given it an 8 or 8.5, but the review is still a positive one and the rating pretty good by ign standings.

StayInTheHouseCarl
06-18-2008, 11:27 PM
http://soundcheck.freedomblogging.com/2008/06/17/the-offspring-regain-fierceness-with-first-disc-in-four-years/


From the OC Register

Cerberus
06-18-2008, 11:53 PM
http://nyt.hs.fi/musiikki/artikkeli/1135237283079?ref=rss

First Finnish review that I found.
"Frank Sinatra of punkrock returns after 5 years..."´:D

Conspiracyof1000
06-19-2008, 12:44 AM
http://nyt.hs.fi/musiikki/artikkeli/1135237283079?ref=rss

First Finnish review that I found.
"Frank Sinatra of punkrock returns after 5 years..."´:D

They compare them to Frank Sinatra? That must mean that the review is good. :)

cool 2 hate 681
06-19-2008, 01:11 AM
ign said Smash was their major label debut :eek:

http://music.ign.com/articles/882/882632p1.html

Conspiracyof1000
06-19-2008, 01:12 AM
ign said Smash was their major label debut :eek:

http://music.ign.com/articles/882/882632p1.html

Wat da fuk? :eek:

thecavedog
06-19-2008, 01:51 AM
dumbshits:cool:

mrXniick
06-19-2008, 02:36 AM
I wrote this to IGN music.. i wonder if/what they will say in the response :

"The review done for The Offspring's new album "Rise and Fall, Rage and Grace" is one of the worst, reviews I have read on the site. I do not mind that the reviewer criticizes the album-- as I understand that it is his opinion... but this is a blatantly biased review. The review comes across as a hate letter to Bob Rock, with a review of the album sprinkled in between the hatred. It is obvious that the reviewer had a negative outlook on the album before even listening to it.

Also... in regards to the track "You're gonna go far kid"... the re viewer's lyrical analysis is completely off base. This is not about "a dance hall kid's rise and fall" but about how people manipulate one another (as derived from actually reading the lyrics-- and word's straight from Dexter Holland's mouth.

Please re-evaluate the contents of the review. I could care less about the score-- but the contents of the review are quite offensive and absurd."

mrXniick
06-19-2008, 02:40 AM
just sent this to IGN:

"The review done for The Offspring's new album "Rise and Fall, Rage and Grace" is one of the worst, reviews I have read on the site. I do not mind that the reviewer criticizes the album-- as I understand that it is his opinion... but this is a blatantly biased review. The review comes across as a hate letter to Bob Rock, with a review of the album sprinkled in between the hatred. It is obvious that the reviewer had a negative outlook on the album before even listening to it.

Also... in regards to the track "You're gonna go far kid"... the reviewers lyrical analysis is completely off base. This is not about "a dance hall kid's rise and fall" but about how people manipulate one another (as derived from actually reading the lyrics-- and word's straight from Dexter Holland's mouth.)

Please re-evaluate the contents of the review. I could care less about the score-- but the contents of the review are quite offensive and absurd."

F@ BANKZ
06-19-2008, 02:57 AM
I can understand it being worth mentioning the later songs sound like Green Day, but I don't think it is at all fair to penalise the band for it. They have been making songs similar to Nothingtown, Stuff Is Messed and Rock Bottom for ages now and these are just developments.

Tonza
06-19-2008, 05:42 AM
The latter song DON'T sound like Green Day. Green Day sounds like The Offspring!

And wtf is the comparing? of course they sound a bit same, it's almost exactly the same genre.

fergiepunk
06-19-2008, 06:26 AM
just sent this to IGN:

"The review done for The Offspring's new album "Rise and Fall, Rage and Grace" is one of the worst, reviews I have read on the site. I do not mind that the reviewer criticizes the album-- as I understand that it is his opinion... but this is a blatantly biased review. The review comes across as a hate letter to Bob Rock, with a review of the album sprinkled in between the hatred. It is obvious that the reviewer had a negative outlook on the album before even listening to it.

Also... in regards to the track "You're gonna go far kid"... the reviewers lyrical analysis is completely off base. This is not about "a dance hall kid's rise and fall" but about how people manipulate one another (as derived from actually reading the lyrics-- and word's straight from Dexter Holland's mouth.)

Please re-evaluate the contents of the review. I could care less about the score-- but the contents of the review are quite offensive and absurd."

You should see what I sent to NME:


Dear NME

Before I start this 'rant' I should probably make it clear that I am not a reader of your magazine, but in fact a reletive of someone who does. There are days when I get bored and pick up an NME magazine that he has left lying around and being someone who is interested in music I will check out the review section. Now I'm not the biggest fan of indie rock (what this magazine practically worships) but there is the rare occasion when an album I'd be interested in is reviewed. Of course this is much to my displeasure. I have definately seen a growing pattern of non indie albums getting very negative reviews and the only exception seems to be when said album has a big following e.g. black parade, american idiot etc. Now I generally ignored these, yes you insulted albums that I liked but I am one person so what can I do about it. But then came your latest issue with a review of a band that I have listened to for years The Offspring. Now I bet right now you've realised and are prepared for backlash from someone who likes The Offspring, because lets face it your 'review' was not exactly a review but in more actuallity just some indie kids slagging off a punk rock band. After reading this review (which is similar to many albums I liked that you slated) I can safely say it is biased. There was no depth, no detail and absaloutely no mention of any songs on this album. The tone of this little review shows that the person who wrote it already had their mind made up of what they thought of the album before listening to it, it is in actual fact the most negative review of this album that has been made (so give yourselves a pat on the back for being really biased). Now your magazine has a history of doing this, and to me it seems like you are deliberately trying to put off people from buying anything non indie (because lets face it, your target audience and most of your readers, if not nearly all of them are indie kids). This now shows the image of people who are so unsure on what they listen to that they need to belittle other types of albums to make their choice seem better. So where does this leave us? With me making a simple request of course, stop reviewing these kind of albums. You know these albums don't appeal to your tagret audience and by slating them really all you are doing is creating that stereotype image of indie kids which is an arrogant little bugger who you can't discuss music with because they've decided that anything non indie is crap. Leave albums like good charlotte, the used, the offspring, 30 seconds to mars and anything even slightly similar to others. Kerrang actually rated these albums well, and they went into depth about it, you guys on the other hand had just a few lines slagging off these bands instead of doing an actual review. Now I doubt this message will be replied or be in your magazine as it is very negative towards you (and quite a bit long, but it is a rant after all) so really think of this as a suggestion or the truth of what a lot of people do think about this magazine, because I am not alone in these thoughts.

Also if you are going to post this (rare chance of that happening) chances are you will either slag me off or try to pick apart my arguement.

RobinoZombie
06-19-2008, 07:38 AM
short swedish review

3/5.

"Dexter Holland removes his Rayban Wayfarer, looks in his producers eyes and says.

– hey Bob whom have worked with Metallica, Lostprophets och Simple Plan? we need your help. We cant cut it with hilarious songs about white hiphopers and nagy girlfriends . We need some more blackness and some more Cred.

And heres the result. A little bit more serious, mature and -actually- a little bit better Offspring.


Best Track: ”Hammerhead”.

Mattias Kling, Aftonbladet.se

RobinoZombie
06-19-2008, 07:41 AM
some other swed has to translate this, i dont have the time

Bob Rock förstörde bandet”-snacket har Metallica tvingats lyssna på
sedan 1991. Trots sin punkbakgrund har Offspring, efter sitt oväntade samarbete med den hårdrockige demonproducenten, ingenting att oroa sig för. De flesta ser ändå detta som ett plojband. Att då tajta till
musiken, sprätta loss som på ”Smash”-tiden och Green Day-flörta med emokidsen känns helt okej. Synd bara att Rock inte använt en skalpell på Dexter, som i vanlig ordning seriemördar låtarna med sin ”sång”.

Zebulon
06-19-2008, 09:40 AM
You guys are being way too harsh on IGN. He called the album "Good" for Christ's sake. And some of the songs sound a lot like Green Day, and he was right when he said that Bob Rock most likely had an effect on this.

mrXniick
06-19-2008, 11:03 AM
You guys are being way too harsh on IGN. He called the album "Good" for Christ's sake. And some of the songs sound a lot like Green Day, and he was right when he said that Bob Rock most likely had an effect on this.

if you know anything about proper journalism.. we are not being harsh on his review. It was blatantly biased-- and he also interpreted the lyrics completely wrong.

jacknife737
06-19-2008, 04:22 PM
You guys are being way too harsh on IGN. He called the album "Good" for Christ's sake. And some of the songs sound a lot like Green Day, and he was right when he said that Bob Rock most likely had an effect on this.

For a "professional" site, they made several, very amateurish mistakes. It was a review (although credit where credit is due, it was a positive one) that i'd expect to see on some random blog, not a website with fact-checkers/editors.

Cock Joke
06-19-2008, 06:40 PM
Link to IGN review (http://music.ign.com/articles/882/882632p1.html) in case anyone wants to check it out.

cool 2 hate 681
06-19-2008, 10:18 PM
Nicole reviews The Offsprings new album Rise and Fall, Rage and Grace

The offspring is one of those bands that you can always count on for a bangin' good time live. They don't take themselves too seriously and personally, I think that's the key to their longevity. So, I just got the new Offspring CD and I listened to it in my car while I was driving, the best way to tell whether or not you like an album. In your car with nothing but you and the music.

Track one is awesome. We got off to a very good start. It's called 'Half-Truism' and in it's own way it's epic and not silly like a lot of Offspring songs tend to be.

The second track is called 'Trust In You', another instant favorite. This song is for anyone with trust issues who feels like singing about them until' the veins protrude from your neck. This song will cause quite the raucous in an Offspring pit. Instant favorite.

Then, 'You're Gonna Go Far, Kid' keeps the momentum going. It's a circle jerk of a good time, it curses in extremely entertaining ways and the drums are something to shake your ass to. It's actually one of my favorite songs on KROQ right now.

The more you listen the more it's obvious that these guys put a lot of their grown-up selves into this, but the beauty is they never lose their youthful tongue-in-cheek- vibe. This record is so much damn fun. It's easy to sing to, bounce to, jump around to...plus, the summertime release was the smartest thing they could have done. It goes nicely with a side of good times with friends and a dose of sunshine.

This is gonna sound crazy, but track 9 reminds me of Marilyn Manson with an Offspring twist of course. I know, I know, that sounds absurd, but when you hear it, you'll find yourself familiar with the melody and I dare say...what I said before.

The album finishes off with 'Rise and Fall'. It's my least favorite track. I think it's uninteresting and I have a whatever attitude towards it, but the rest of 'Rise and Fall, Rage and Grace' is so damn solid, that one track I'm bored by isn't gonna make a huge difference in how much I think the new Offspring record rules!!!!!!!

from http://www.kroq.com/

hshduppsnt
06-20-2008, 03:15 AM
^ you know, from someone who doesn't often praise the Offspring much,
she wrote a surprisingly positive review...

figured they'd have stryker, sluggo, or mccabe do it...

evreikipresvia
06-20-2008, 09:26 AM
Ok, Im not sure how to put this lightly... but if you think that "Rise and Fall, Rage and Grace," is a good album... you probably were rocking out "I Swear" by All for One when "Smash" came out. For all you kids out there talking about how much better this is from "Splinter" or "Americana", jump in front of a truck. Part of being a fan (which I would call myself, since their first CD, "Offspring," for all you young'ins) is to objectively criticize their music. This CD offers nothing that shitty emo can't provide (said references to MCR etc...) It's disappointing having waited so long, anticipating another Offspring-esque musical marvel, to be so let down.

Gaberelli
06-20-2008, 10:02 AM
I know why this album is getting shitty reviews. Because it is cool to hate!

Philo Beddoe
06-20-2008, 10:05 AM
actually, I sort of agree with him - about the second half of the album anyway. I love the Offspring, one of my all time favourite bands and I had one of the biggest grins on my face listening to the first 6 or 7 tracks last night, but the second half of the album was embarrassing on the first listen (I do recognise that some songs may grow on repeat listens).

The first 6 were classic Offspring, heavy, in your face, anthemic - the last 6 were (I'm not happy to say) very VERY Green Day American Idiot in places. I'm in work at the moment so it's difficult to refer to exact songs, but I didn't really like any of the last 5 songs. I quite liked Kristy, although it was obviously aimed at the Green Day Time of Your Life market, as was Fix You. A couple of the other songs sounded almost borderline plagiaristic of American Idiot and not as good. I don't like Green Day all that much, I much prefer The Offspring and see no reason why they should compromise their sound and aggression to become jokey/soft. I'm glad there were no awful 'Why don't you get a job' or 'Pretty Fly' but the second half of the album was a major let down. Even Stuff is Messed Up was weak on the first listen, the only one that sounded ok was Rock Bottom. First half brilliant, second half (on first listen) not good.

I believe Green-n-Gay ripped off motley crues first album with their 'jesus of suburbia song'

Rooster
06-20-2008, 10:18 AM
Ok, Im not sure how to put this lightly... but if you think that "Rise and Fall, Rage and Grace," is a good album... you probably were rocking out "I Swear" by All for One when "Smash" came out. For all you kids out there talking about how much better this is from "Splinter" or "Americana", jump in front of a truck. Part of being a fan (which I would call myself, since their first CD, "Offspring," for all you young'ins) is to objectively criticize their music. This CD offers nothing that shitty emo can't provide (said references to MCR etc...) It's disappointing having waited so long, anticipating another Offspring-esque musical marvel, to be so let down.

Yeah, probably everyone who was born after 1980 don't know what music is. You know, if you were just a small kid when S/T came out it doesn't mean that you don't know it exsists and it doesn't mean you don't know any song from it. So excuse me for liking the album, but you won't tell me what music is. I agree that emo sucks ass, but comparing The Offspring with some shitty emo bands is an insult. If you hate the new album so much, why don't you throw your copy away (or delete the leak if you downloaded it) and listen only their older albums?

HeadAroundU
06-20-2008, 10:41 AM
This thread needs a serious update!

RonWelty
06-20-2008, 11:08 AM
sorry. exams. i will take care of that ASAP

RonWelty
06-20-2008, 11:09 AM
pls, to make this easy for me, PM me with the links you put here, if you dare.

HeadAroundU
06-20-2008, 12:32 PM
Yep, understandable.

I'm sure that there is a lot of bored individuals...:)

elysian_fields
06-20-2008, 03:22 PM
I know why this album is getting shitty reviews. Because it is cool to hate!

Haha. Seriously. This is a great fucking record.

XYlophonetreeZ
06-20-2008, 03:37 PM
Ok, Im not sure how to put this lightly... but if you think that "Rise and Fall, Rage and Grace," is a good album... you probably were rocking out "I Swear" by All for One when "Smash" came out. For all you kids out there talking about how much better this is from "Splinter" or "Americana", jump in front of a truck. Part of being a fan (which I would call myself, since their first CD, "Offspring," for all you young'ins) is to objectively criticize their music. This CD offers nothing that shitty emo can't provide (said references to MCR etc...) It's disappointing having waited so long, anticipating another Offspring-esque musical marvel, to be so let down.
OK, I'm a guy who normally thinks that the general intolerance to even the tiniest, most insignificant criticism of the Offspring on this forum is way, way, way out of control and retarded. That's part of why I never spent much time in this forum until the new album came out. In fact I don't mind it when people come out and criticize entire albums or periods of their career, and I'd even do it myself but it's not worth it.

That said, JESUS FUCKING CHRIST. What a douchebag. Telling fans what it means to be a fan, pointing out that you've been a fan way longer than anyone else, throwing unnecessary insults, and actually calling your criticism "objective"? I think my doucheometer just broke.

evreikipresvia
06-20-2008, 10:53 PM
Alright, Im going to tone it down for you all. The underlying point of my review was to explain how there is a significant difference in the perception of what "Offspring" quality music is. If you grew up listening to Ignition and Smash, this album doesn't even come close... We have different expectations, than say, a fan who voted for Pretty Fly for a white guy on TRL. I would be interested in online vote/rate 1-10 of the album related to age. My feeling is that those 22+ will tend to dislike the album. Hope this didn't break anyone else's doucheometer.
Regards

Cock Joke
06-20-2008, 11:14 PM
Some of us are happy that they have evolved beyond the Epitaph era and that the production quality is their best ever.

And yea, the majority of us have heard their early work.

hshduppsnt
06-20-2008, 11:27 PM
Some of us are happy that they have evolved beyond the Epitaph era and that the production quality is their best ever.

And yea, the majority of us have heard their early work.

qft.

I'm 23, been listening since Ignition - I love this album.
Sometimes we like variety. You know what I do when I want to listen to Smash?

oh I know... I listen to Smash.

oh_strange_one
06-20-2008, 11:44 PM
i like all albums including the new album do prefer the old stuff as it was raw and just damn right sensational lol but saying that still love their new stuff it has pizazz and it has just moved on u cant expect them to just stick to one music era otherwise we would all probaly hate it as it would get boring and repetitive, thats what i like about the offspring they change music but still do damn good job of it :p

Ristifer
06-21-2008, 01:16 AM
Alright, Im going to tone it down for you all. The underlying point of my review was to explain how there is a significant difference in the perception of what "Offspring" quality music is. If you grew up listening to Ignition and Smash, this album doesn't even come close... We have different expectations, than say, a fan who voted for Pretty Fly for a white guy on TRL. I would be interested in online vote/rate 1-10 of the album related to age. My feeling is that those 22+ will tend to dislike the album. Hope this didn't break anyone else's doucheometer.
Regards
Fail.

As for your other post, I want to see a band like MCR or whatever write lyrics like Dexter Holland. I'm not calling Dexter a god in lyrics, but he has extreme meaning behind his lyrics, and delivers them with absolute brilliance. There is nothing cliché about what he writes about. In fact, most professional reviews that have been negative have failed at showing an understanding for the lyrics, guessing wrong song after song.

The problem with bands of today is that the standards are so low, so that if they write a half-decent album, it's praised like a golden shit. The Offspring have always had pressure on them to deliver since Smash, and they just keep on doing it, and growing as a band.

jacknife737
06-21-2008, 01:28 AM
The underlying point of my review was to explain how there is a significant difference in the perception of what "Offspring" quality music is. If you grew up listening to Ignition and Smash, this album doesn't even come close...


I think you'll find that most of us who love the new album have "grown up listening to Ignition and Smash" just as you did. I may have not purchased Ignition in 1992, but that still doesn't mean that it didn't play a huge role in my musical development, it's still probably my favorite album ever. I'm over 20 and I love RAFRAG; stop being such an elitist.

Mucho Macho
06-21-2008, 04:25 AM
Today I read an interview about RAFRAG in a Belgian newspaper. The journalist rated it 1,5 stars out of five and said that: "although you could see The Offspring tried to make every song as cachy as possible, none of the songs even came close to songs such as Come Out And Play for instance." He also compared most of the songs with Bon Jovi and said You're Gonna Go Far, Kid reminded him of The Bloodhound Gang.
However, it's one of the first reviews that didn't mention Green Day... :p
Btw, it's the same newspaper that rated CO1 3 stars and Splinter 2 stars a few years ago.

RonWelty
06-21-2008, 01:36 PM
http://www.411mania.com/music/album_reviews/78235

http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,23888760-5006024,00.html

jacknife737
06-21-2008, 02:04 PM
http://www.411mania.com/music/album_reviews/78235

http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,23888760-5006024,00.html

I really enjoyed reading those, so thanks for posting!. This quote from the second one had me laughing


‘‘We had a look at a few of them,'' Noodles admits. ‘‘We first did Hammerhead last August in Japan. You'd think the Japanese dudes with all their technology would get a decent recording of it, but it was horrible. People were going ‘The song's good, but what a shitty recording'.''

Steady
06-21-2008, 03:41 PM
I don't know if anybody has mentioned this, but Kerrang gave this album 4 k's which isnt bad at all! Especially compared to the 3 k's they gave splinter.

I didn't read the write up because i didnt buy the magazine, just read it in the shop, i couldnt afford it :(

GunForHire
06-22-2008, 08:03 AM
IGN gave it 7.5 which is also pretty good - although I think it would've got higher had the reviewer not had a blatantly stated hatred of Bob Rock. In the reviewers own words:

"I am just going to start by saying this: I hate Bob Rock. With a white hot passion. He takes everything that is good about music and drains every last bit of that goodness, leaving behind a wasteland of predictable hooks, formulaic choruses and bland verses. His touch is death to good music. Period.

So when I did some simple research and found out that he was producing the new Offspring record, I held little hope that it would be good. After one listen of the new record, Rise and Fall, Rage and Grace, I had mixed emotions. Rock's slimy fingerprints are all over the new Offspring record, but the band is strong enough to overcome some of rock's insidious pop formations and not kill everything that is good about the band.
...
...
If I could talk directly to Dexter Holland, Kevin "Noodles" Wasserman and the rest of the band, I would sit them down and tell them one thing: "Run away from bob Rock. Run as far and as fast away from that guy as you possibly can." If they questioned my judgment, I would just hand them a copy of St. Anger."

brothadave79
06-22-2008, 08:26 AM
If they questioned my judgment, I would just hand them a copy of St. Anger."

What Dumb-Dumb doesn't seem to realize is that the review is about RAFRAG, not St. Anger... :rolleyes:

MOTO13
06-22-2008, 08:37 AM
Well, it's official, I am full of shit. I bagged on the new album based upon the little snippets from Amazon.com. I bought the CD on friday, this album is EXCELLENT. One song I do not like is Rise and Fall. This is basically ripped from the Greenday sound. Other than that, it is a VERY good record and worthy of the 5 year wait. Thank You Offspring.

Ronk
06-22-2008, 11:39 AM
This is my first post. :)
___________________________
Here we have a little review from Billboard:

http://www.billboard.com/bbcom/content_display/reviews/albums/e3id5f52df31901946c0457720e65afc6b2


Artist Direct (3/5):

http://www.artistdirect.com/nad/store/artist/album/0,,4677068,00.html

Rooster
06-22-2008, 04:36 PM
This is my first post. :)
___________________________
Here we have a little review from Billboard:

http://www.billboard.com/bbcom/content_display/reviews/albums/e3id5f52df31901946c0457720e65afc6b2


Artist Direct (3/5):

http://www.artistdirect.com/nad/store/artist/album/0,,4677068,00.html

UUU, the first post!:D;)

Welcome to the forum:)

Ronk
06-22-2008, 05:36 PM
UUU, the first post!:D;)

:confused:My first post/message.


Welcome to the forum:)

Thank you.
________________________________________________
A little review from a teen rock magazine, it's in spanish:

http://www.gritafuerte.com/reva/malvadiscos/el-regreso-de-the-offspring/

In english says something like that:

for many people, the band with powerful and energetic melodies that turned crazy to many in 1994 with smash had already stayed behind. but after undoubtedly they softened their sound and started doing melodies that were exploiting more the funny side of the band, as Hit That, apparently they have recovered and returned how we were waiting for since some years ago. They are not so raw as in their beginnings, but vital.

RonWelty
06-22-2008, 06:45 PM
http://www.visaliatimesdelta.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080618/ENTERTAINMENT04/80619012

jacknife737
06-22-2008, 06:48 PM
http://www.visaliatimesdelta.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080618/ENTERTAINMENT04/80619012

Nice review, even better was that it had a better score then Cold Play!

IamSam
06-22-2008, 07:01 PM
http://www.visaliatimesdelta.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080618/ENTERTAINMENT04/80619012

This is really good and thought out, and I tend to agree that Kristy seems slightly out of place.

brothadave79
06-22-2008, 07:03 PM
http://www.visaliatimesdelta.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080618/ENTERTAINMENT04/80619012

I like "Kristy", but seeing The Offspring upstage Coldplay makes my heart smile. :)

RonWelty
06-23-2008, 06:10 AM
http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/reviews/compact_discs/offspring/rise_and_fall_rage_and_grace/index.html

drex878
06-23-2008, 09:28 AM
Originally Posted by http://www.visaliatimesdelta.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080618/ENTERTAINMENT04/80619012

Two stars
“Viva la Vida,” Coldplay (Capitol Records)

Three and a half stars
“Rise and Fall, Rage and Grace,” The Offspring (Columbia Records)


Score..........

Rooster
06-23-2008, 11:01 AM
:confused:My first post/message.

I know, i was only kidding, since usually noone writes "this is my first post" in his first post :) I hope it didn't offend you ;)

pyrostatic_jim
06-24-2008, 08:39 AM
The IGN review it's the best I've seen, in terms of quality measurement, at least from an important website. It gives the album the score it deserves (7.5) and points out its real strengths and weaknesses. I don't agree that Takes Me Nowhere sounds like Green Day though, I think it has a very distinctive Offspring feel. Let's Hear It... should have been in that list instead.

But this statement is exactly how I (and many other fans, I think) feel about the album:
"All in all, Rise and Fall, Rage and Grace" is a good album. It's not great and its blatant Bob Rock-influenced attempt to sound like a pop-punk album makes it suffer in places where it really could have become great."

leo3375
06-24-2008, 12:03 PM
Rolling Stone's reviewer is an idiot. They seriously should have had David Fricke do the review instead:
http://www.rollingstone.com/reviews/album/21080556/review/21463554/rise_and_fall_rage_and_grace

IamSam
06-24-2008, 01:42 PM
Rolling Stone's reviewer is an idiot. They seriously should have had David Frinke do the review instead:
http://www.rollingstone.com/reviews/album/21080556/review/21463554/rise_and_fall_rage_and_grace

Holy shit. Did he read the lyrics at all? What is with reviewers these days? If you're job is to review an album REVIEW THE DAMN ALBUM! Don't give us some nimby pimby 'I-put-it-into-my-car-and-skipped-around' bullshit.

leo3375
06-24-2008, 01:58 PM
Holy shit. Did he read the lyrics at all? What is with reviewers these days? If you're job is to review an album REVIEW THE DAMN ALBUM! Don't give us some nimby pimby 'I-put-it-into-my-car-and-skipped-around' bullshit.

My thoughts exactly. Invest an hour of time, sit down with the album, a notebook and a pencil, and LISTEN!!! Note anything interesting. Go back and jot down some memorable lyrics. Then write the review.

I'm not a good writer, but even I could write a much better review. Hell, my cat could write a better review!

jacknife737
06-24-2008, 04:04 PM
THE OFFSPRING Rise And Fall, Rage And Grace (Columbia/Sony BMG)
The Offspring are one of those unfortunate bands who managed to hit commercial gold on the back of some really obnoxious singles ("Pretty Fly For A White Guy," anyone?), thus obscuring the value of their older and far better material. Probably sensing this, The Offspring have taken the anti-jock punk direction they were heading in with 2003's Splinter and kept it going with this newest release. They still have their moments of throwaway weakness (see the Green Day ripoff "Stuff Is Messed Up"), but by contrast, "You're Gonna Go Far, Kid" is both a nice departure to anything from Americana and a welcome throwback to the days of Smash's more bitter anthems. "A Lot Like Me" sounds like another band altogether, with different vocals, piano melodies and Bob Rock's fantastic production. The Offspring probably don't need to jump for the brass ring of commercial radio success anymore, and that's probably the best thing, if it gives them the freedom to ditch the cute gimmicks and return to their metal-punk roots. Caitlin Hotchkiss
http://chartattack.com/damn/2008/06/2431.cfm

Ok, it's a fairly positive review, but i'm a pretty big Green Day fan, and i've never heard a song by them that sound remotely like Stuff Is Messed Up. This just enforces my theory that 98% of the music press is useless.

Moose
06-24-2008, 04:48 PM
is it me...or do all of these reviews contradict themselves?...

...whether it's specific songs, or just a perception of the album...

...it seems like one contradiction after another...whether a positive or negative review.

hshduppsnt
06-24-2008, 08:21 PM
is it me...or do all of these reviews contradict themselves?...

...whether it's specific songs, or just a perception of the album...

...it seems like one contradiction after another...whether a positive or negative review.

that does appear to be the trend... often its like they didn't even listen to the songs...

Ryder1234
06-24-2008, 08:41 PM
http://chartattack.com/damn/2008/06/2431.cfm

Ok, it's a fairly positive review, but i'm a pretty big Green Day fan, and i've never heard a song by them that sound remotely like Stuff Is Messed Up. This just enforces my theory that 98% of the music press is useless.

yeah, and i don't hear Smash in YGGF,K

Jojan
06-25-2008, 11:43 AM
Swedish: http://www.expressen.se/noje/recensioner/skivor/1.1202142/offspring-rise-and-fall-rage-and-grace

The "Bob Rock ruined the band" talk is something that Metallica has been forced to listen to sicne 1991. Even due too their punk background, The Offspring has, after it's unexpected cooperating with the hardrockish deamon producer, nothing to worry about. Most sees it as a ploy band. That they still are so tight to the music, go nuts like on the "Smash" time and Green Day flirt with the emo kids feels totally OK. Pity just that Rock isn't using a scapell on Dexter, that as usuall serial kills the songs with his "singing".

More Swedish:
http://festivalinfo.se/?sida=blogga&bid=1220 - "New and very wanted from The Offspring..."
http://www.agonyzone.com/skivrecensioner.asp?oid=471072 - 4/5
http://www.norran.se/noje/recensioner/musikskivor/article129839.ece - 2/5
http://wwwc.aftonbladet.se/puls/cd/recension/0,1338,2000056077,00.html - 3/5
http://stockholm.city.se/noje/2008/06/18/Fortsatt_gladje_med_Cut_Copy/ - 2/5
http://www.corren.se/archive/2008/6/18/jrjqc8eo06uhurd.xml - "...manageble ..."
http://gd.se/noje/skivrecensioner/1.40846 - 1/6
http://www.metro.se/se/article/2008/06/17/18/5907-45/index.xml - 1/5 "Rice and fall, rage and grace"
http://www.st.nu/noje/recensioner.php?action=visa_artikel&id=739571 - 4/5
http://sydsvenskan.se/nojen/skivrecensioner/article337997.ece - 3/5 "The Offspring steals Coldplays "Clocks" piano... "
http://www.untfredag.se/avd/1,1826,MC=15-cat=245-AV_ID=766262,00.html - 1/5

pyrostatic_jim
06-25-2008, 01:35 PM
Could the thread author update the index? That'd be great.

The RS review is BS. It doesn't give any real justification to its 2.5 stars. It just says "it has angry lyrics that don't have good reasons to be angry". It doesn't comment on the musical qualities of the songs at all. It's a shallow review (compare lengths with Viva La Vida's) that, despite being written in a professional style, doesn't deserve to be taken seriously.

Come out and smash'em up!
06-25-2008, 06:33 PM
stuff is messed up reminds green day, because the intro drumming is same as in longview:cool:

Thomas
06-26-2008, 01:07 AM
stuff is messed up reminds green day, because the intro drumming is same as in longview:cool:

No it's not. I don't know if you are being sarcastic or not, but they are nothing alike. Same time signature. That's it. Don't get me started on how much Tre Cool pisses me off.

Ninty Man
06-26-2008, 05:37 PM
No it's not. I don't know if you are being sarcastic or not, but they are nothing alike. Same time signature. That's it. Don't get me started on how much Tre Cool pisses me off.

But Tre is a pretty good solid drummer... I mean, he's better that Dave "I can barely make good fillings" Grohl.

The only one (and is MY NOT EXPERT GREEN DAY FAN OPINION) that sounds kinda green day is rise and fall... but for me rise and fall becames an awesome offspring song when dexter sings and the toms of drums mark the time

Thomas
06-26-2008, 09:34 PM
Dave Grohl doesn't have fancy fills, but he knows how to lay down a steady groove. That's about it, though. I definitely consider Grohl to be a better drummer than Tre Cool.

If I consider a drummer to be worse than Dave Grohl, then you know they suck.





BTW, I listened to American Idiot on the radio today and they aren't ANYTHING alike. Seriously. WTF, people?

Ninty Man
06-27-2008, 09:55 AM
Dave Grohl doesn't have fancy fills, but he knows how to lay down a steady groove. That's about it, though. I definitely consider Grohl to be a better drummer than Tre Cool.

If I consider a drummer to be worse than Dave Grohl, then you know they suck.





BTW, I listened to American Idiot on the radio today and they aren't ANYTHING alike. Seriously. WTF, people?

Just the opening riff soundS KINDA LIKE american Idiot... And I must say I don't think grohl is better that Tre Cool... But hey, is my mediocre drummer opinion XD

Thomas
06-27-2008, 11:40 AM
Te only similarity is the opening riff, and even that isn't very close. I hate people.

Come out and smash'em up!
06-27-2008, 08:49 PM
dave grohl is a king drummer imo, he doesn't do too tecnish stuff. but he is creative,solid and has attitude:cool:

Phix
06-28-2008, 06:34 AM
Swedish: http://www.expressen.se/noje/recensioner/skivor/1.1202142/offspring-rise-and-fall-rage-and-grace

The "Bob Rock ruined the band" talk is something that Metallica has been forced to listen to sicne 1991. Even due too their punk background, The Offspring has, after it's unexpected cooperating with the hardrockish deamon producer, nothing to worry about. Most sees it as a ploy band. That they still are so tight to the music, go nuts like on the "Smash" time and Green Day flirt with the emo kids feels totally OK. Pity just that Rock isn't using a scapell on Dexter, that as usuall serial kills the songs with his "singing".

More Swedish:
http://festivalinfo.se/?sida=blogga&bid=1220 - "New and very wanted from The Offspring..."
http://www.agonyzone.com/skivrecensioner.asp?oid=471072 - 4/5
http://www.norran.se/noje/recensioner/musikskivor/article129839.ece - 2/5
http://wwwc.aftonbladet.se/puls/cd/recension/0,1338,2000056077,00.html - 3/5
http://stockholm.city.se/noje/2008/06/18/Fortsatt_gladje_med_Cut_Copy/ - 2/5
http://www.corren.se/archive/2008/6/18/jrjqc8eo06uhurd.xml - "...manageble ..."
http://gd.se/noje/skivrecensioner/1.40846 - 1/6
http://www.metro.se/se/article/2008/06/17/18/5907-45/index.xml - 1/5 "Rice and fall, rage and grace"
http://www.st.nu/noje/recensioner.php?action=visa_artikel&id=739571 - 4/5
http://sydsvenskan.se/nojen/skivrecensioner/article337997.ece - 3/5 "The Offspring steals Coldplays "Clocks" piano... "
http://www.untfredag.se/avd/1,1826,MC=15-cat=245-AV_ID=766262,00.html - 1/5

http://gd.se/noje/skivrecensioner/1.40846 - 1/6

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
in this one lil' "pussy i ain't got no talent put a cap in yo ass pimpin hoes" wayne got a higher score
one of the funniest things i saw this week

Thomas
06-28-2008, 09:39 AM
dave grohl is a king drummer imo, he doesn't do too tecnish stuff. but he is creative,solid and has attitude:cool:

He isn't creative. He's the least creative drummer I've heard in my life. Meg White is more original than him.

Don't get me started on this again or else I'll pull out my Jojo Mayer videos.

Kickdrum
06-30-2008, 06:14 PM
Hey Thomas -

Do you like Phil Collins' drumming (esp early Genesis??)...His drumming inspires me, and you seem to know a thing or two, so I wanted your thoughts.

Thomas
06-30-2008, 06:35 PM
In all honesty, I was never really impressed, but that may because I am very unfamiliar with his drumming. I have only heard a few Genesis songs on the radio and seen only one solo of his. The little bit I have seen didn't impress me a whole lot, though.

Look up Jojo Mayer. That man can work magic with his hands.


Now....uh.....back on topic?

h2ocean
07-01-2008, 09:14 AM
Some of these reviews are pretty lame. The fact that they are so all over the place suggests just how useless they are. One reviews fav song is anothers least fav, one reviewer says a song is mature and on point, another says the same song is immature and angsty (and as an aside, contrary to one reviewer, A Lot Like Me isn't angsty, I dunno what lyrics he read or if he listened to the song more than once). Reading these reviews as a band member would be incredibly frustrating. Some of them say the Offspring have no sense of direction, or that they are going in the wrong direction, but what are they supposed to get out of these reviews? Some love them tapping into a more "Smash" like sound, others are calling that stagnant. Some say they need to grow up, others say they have matured (also as an aside, I don't see American Idiot as being as mature as at least one of those reviewers made them out to. I have no idea where that comes from, as I find American Idiot as an album to be pretty angsty and full of bad melodrama).

I agree with the one reviewer in that the first 4 songs are easily the most solid. I would extend that to say the first 5. If the album had, say, 3 or 4 songs that were that good, this would be the best album since Ixnay. I think Kristy being the next single would be a mistake. It is only better than Fix You. The song (Kristy) grew on me a bit and it isn't a bad song, but I think there are way better singles. I think this song as a single would just reaffirm any negative views people have about the Offspring over the past several years. I am glad that they released Hammerhead, because contrary to their past single releases and contrary to what people say on here, you don't need a song to sound like Pretty Fly or Kristy for that matter to be popular. You can have a driving hard song be popular. Lots of people do it. YGGFK would be my pick. Censoring it on the radio hasn't hurt other bands any.

There's about a million other things that piss me off about these reviews that I can't even be bothered to get into. All in all it is a solid album. Some songs sound kinda Greenday-ish (other than RAF, there are others that sound like they are off of Nimrod) but oh well they are still good. I am happy.

JeromeFleur
07-02-2008, 04:20 AM
Some of these reviews are pretty lame. The fact that they are so all over the place suggests just how useless they are. One reviews fav song is anothers least fav, one reviewer says a song is mature and on point, another says the same song is immature and angsty (and as an aside, contrary to one reviewer, A Lot Like Me isn't angsty, I dunno what lyrics he read or if he listened to the song more than once). Reading these reviews as a band member would be incredibly frustrating. Some of them say the Offspring have no sense of direction, or that they are going in the wrong direction, but what are they supposed to get out of these reviews? Some love them tapping into a more "Smash" like sound, others are calling that stagnant. Some say they need to grow up, others say they have matured (also as an aside, I don't see American Idiot as being as mature as at least one of those reviewers made them out to. I have no idea where that comes from, as I find American Idiot as an album to be pretty angsty and full of bad melodrama).

I agree with the one reviewer in that the first 4 songs are easily the most solid. I would extend that to say the first 5. If the album had, say, 3 or 4 songs that were that good, this would be the best album since Ixnay. I think Kristy being the next single would be a mistake. It is only better than Fix You. The song (Kristy) grew on me a bit and it isn't a bad song, but I think there are way better singles. I think this song as a single would just reaffirm any negative views people have about the Offspring over the past several years. I am glad that they released Hammerhead, because contrary to their past single releases and contrary to what people say on here, you don't need a song to sound like Pretty Fly or Kristy for that matter to be popular. You can have a driving hard song be popular. Lots of people do it. YGGFK would be my pick. Censoring it on the radio hasn't hurt other bands any.

There's about a million other things that piss me off about these reviews that I can't even be bothered to get into. All in all it is a solid album. Some songs sound kinda Greenday-ish (other than RAF, there are others that sound like they are off of Nimrod) but oh well they are still good. I am happy.

Exactly what I think. Now I've begun to hate critics (except maybe Claude Rajotte, from Montreal, I guess nobody knows him, but he's the greatest :P).

Most of the time, critics just don't know of that they talk about, or they want to tell the artists what to do... hey, if thoses guys know so much how to do great music, why don't they fucking buy a guitar?!

Budzy
07-03-2008, 02:03 AM
Most of the time, critics just don't know of that they talk about, or they want to tell the artists what to do... hey, if thoses guys know so much how to do great music, why don't they fucking buy a guitar?!

agreed.
but this is not not for the offsping to look on. these are opinions. opinions are based on personal preferences. i dont like fix you cos i reckon is soft. ppl like fix you because its soft.
i dont mind ppl saying their opininos on here.
but i hate it when they call people Professional Critics, cos thats bullshit.

Offspring-Junkie
07-03-2008, 02:53 AM
the only song I dislike is rise and fall on the new album. It is kinda boring. I love the new album.

JeromeFleur
07-03-2008, 05:07 AM
agreed.
i dont mind ppl saying their opininos on here.
but i hate it when they call people Professional Critics, cos thats bullshit.

Exactly, but that brings us to a more complex question : What is the role of a critic? Is it to be the more objective possible (even though there'll always be subjectivity somewhere), or to judge only by their own personal tastes and preferences, and assume that readers will just read critics that they know they often share their opinions?

Rooster
07-03-2008, 05:13 PM
Exactly, but that brings us to a more complex question : What is the role of a critic? Is it to be the more objective possible (even though there'll always be subjectivity somewhere), or to judge only by their own personal tastes and preferences, and assume that readers will just read critics that they know they often share their opinions?

You know what i think about professional critics? Man, they should get a life! I mean, one professional critic reviews thousands of music CDs (or movies or theatre plays and so on) that it does not surprise me that eventually he writes more negative than positive reviews. They just hear so many bands of the same genre that nothing seems new to them any more. They are bored, so they get on and flame the albums which are put out by some good bands recently. And the sad thing is that they even get paid for that. The only thing they know how to praise the now hot superstar bands or those female pop singers, who look like they had escaped from a brothel and don't have the faintest idea how to sing, and all that because of fame. I don't think they care if a song is good itself, they always find something similar to it, thus reviewing it more negative. They don't want to understand that bands today are influenced by bads before them and the music they like and listen to. Professional critic is the most useless and pointless job ever, you should decide for yourself if you like an album and not let the others do that for you.

Budzy
07-03-2008, 08:06 PM
You know what i think about professional critics? Man, they should get a life! I mean, one professional critic reviews thousands of music CDs (or movies or theatre plays and so on) that it does not surprise me that eventually he writes more negative than positive reviews. They just hear so many bands of the same genre that nothing seems new to them any more. They are bored, so they get on and flame the albums which are put out by some good bands recently. And the sad thing is that they even get paid for that. The only thing they know how to praise the now hot superstar bands or those female pop singers, who look like they had escaped from a brothel and don't have the faintest idea how to sing, and all that because of fame. I don't think they care if a song is good itself, they always find something similar to it, thus reviewing it more negative. They don't want to understand that bands today are influenced by bads before them and the music they like and listen to. Professional critic is the most useless and pointless job ever, you should decide for yourself if you like an album and not let the others do that for you.


completely agreed. the Critics are more poltical in a way, cos im sure they dont jst write what they think, but also wat they're being encouraged to say. if a well kown / respected critic says something is good, and he recommeneds it, then thats wat persuades some ppl to buy. They think offsprings an older band, they've had their time, and they simply toss them away and start giving a big rap to some newer band. its your choice wat u wanna listen to. The website or show or w/e that is hiring these critics are most likely the ones writing his script for them. they dont want to write how good offspring is, because give it one or two more albums and they're probably gone (as much as i hate to say it), so they are putting younger more shittier bands up on the stage. I dont hav a problem in promoting lesser known bands, but to be honest, some of it is absolute shit. no originality, nothing unique about them, just another alternative band. If u hear an offspring song, u know its an offspring song.

Stylie
07-05-2008, 05:14 PM
..EDIT: I haven't read the latest posts here, so I don't know if you're been discussing this.


Man, I really don't understand how some people/magazines can give RAFRAG so low character?

This is seriously a good album. It has some good and old Offspring songs, some really new stuff that's actually very good, slow and fast songs. In other words - Rise and Fall, Rage and Grace.

This IS a great album. The lyrics are also good. Stupid reviewers...

Moose
07-05-2008, 07:40 PM
overall, the offspring have never gotten good reviews...

...why would that change now?

...if this album was by a different band it would get 3 or 3 and a half stars out of 5...

...rise and fall, rage and grace could have been a better album if they decided to go in a different direction in a couple of areas...maybe adding some fast, punk, or harder stuff, while taking away 2 songs that are different, but just didnt work that well...nothingtown and fix you for me are 2 of the weaker songs on the album...

...i think kristy could have been better if they didnt use predictable chimes in the second verse...i just think the sold that song low if it were really supposed to be close to the heart.

...but those 3 songs arent terrible, just not as strong as the other stuff on the album...or at least in order to keep the momentum, either add 2 power tracks towards the end of the album inbetween those songs, or even change the order of the tracks...

i think bob rock helped them overall with structure and adding more melodies and instrumentals, in order to keep the songs fresh and different, but he hurt in some areas (such as kristy.) listen to americana through splinter and see the difference in the song arrangements and the number of melodies and instrumentals in the songs...they dont compare to rfrg...that is one of this albums strengths...i think bob rock helped more than hurt, but id like to see rick rubin in charge of the next album...hopefully eliminating the poppier stuff that just really isn't their strong suit. its obvious songs like walla walla, shes got issues, why dont you get a job, worst hangover, original prankster, nothingtown isnt their best stuff and is always the weakest stuff on the album.

...still...rfrg is an 8 out of 10, 3 or 3 and a half star album...

...just dont expect it from published reviews.

TheDGAFLifer
07-07-2008, 08:18 AM
i havent read the 25 pages of comments but all i have to say is thank you offspring. You have rekindled the flame in me that needs good, quality music. I was at my local record store the other day, trying to find some tunes that arent the same typical bullshit thats pumped out over the airwaves all day long. i picked up some headphones, listened to about the first 30 seconds of the first two tracks on this cd and immediatly purchased a copy. this is what i've been searching for at great lengths in the past year. A breathe of fresh air in the music industry from offspring. Originality, good punk, rock sound (can't really even put it in a genre) that is simply put 'music to the ears'. thank you offspring, for appeasing the world with something that isn't the same indie/alt rock bullshit i seem to hear all day long. my chemical romance? i think i saw that in one of the reviews, pft. yeah right. you guys have been around much longer than that, if anything its the other way around. 10/10. wouldn't have spent my $13 any other way.

Edit: and just a couple other things. Who gives a fuck if its popular? since when did public opinion of music have a bearing on anything? You don't make a record based on 'how much the public will like it' and if you do then someone else runs your shit for you. and fuck people who dissect individual parts of songs and what not. 'melodies this' and 'drums over that': music is a collaboration, it was never meant to be reviewed as separate instruments or aspects. Like i've heard from many people: i dont just listen to good guitar,vocals,bass, or drums, i listen to good MUSIC.

Rooster
07-07-2008, 02:54 PM
i havent read the 25 pages of comments but all i have to say is thank you offspring. You have rekindled the flame in me that needs good, quality music. I was at my local record store the other day, trying to find some tunes that arent the same typical bullshit thats pumped out over the airwaves all day long. i picked up some headphones, listened to about the first 30 seconds of the first two tracks on this cd and immediatly purchased a copy. this is what i've been searching for at great lengths in the past year. A breathe of fresh air in the music industry from offspring. Originality, good punk, rock sound (can't really even put it in a genre) that is simply put 'music to the ears'. thank you offspring, for appeasing the world with something that isn't the same indie/alt rock bullshit i seem to hear all day long. my chemical romance? i think i saw that in one of the reviews, pft. yeah right. you guys have been around much longer than that, if anything its the other way around. 10/10. wouldn't have spent my $13 any other way.

Edit: and just a couple other things. Who gives a fuck if its popular? since when did public opinion of music have a bearing on anything? You don't make a record based on 'how much the public will like it' and if you do then someone else runs your shit for you. and fuck people who dissect individual parts of songs and what not. 'melodies this' and 'drums over that': music is a collaboration, it was never meant to be reviewed as separate instruments or aspects. Like i've heard from many people: i dont just listen to good guitar,vocals,bass, or drums, i listen to good MUSIC.

Man, now this is a good first post. Welcome to the boards