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Cock Joke
06-09-2008, 08:56 AM
1565 says: I moved these reviews from the other reviews index. Let's put links to magazine/blog/etc. reviews in that thread, and share your own reviews of the album in this one. Thanks! Now back to CJ's original post.

I have a blog page. I'll review it there and C & P it here.

Count Orlok
06-09-2008, 08:57 AM
Really some of the best stuff they´ve ever done.

Marco
06-09-2008, 10:56 AM
Fuck the American Idiot thing, I love that album but Rise and Fall, Rage And Grace doesn't sound like it (apart from 2 or 3 chords :rolleyes:) and it's 100.000 times better. The Offspring are still my favourite band, and it's awesome to see them back with this amazing album.

Offspring.of.Offspring
06-09-2008, 11:21 AM
Rise And Fall, Rage And Grace

Sorry for my short reviews, I'm just a simple person. I just don't think that much. I'm not short by length though.


1. Half-Truism 10/10
Gives me energy. Perhaps this song is equal to 3 cups of coffee, that's good.

2. Trust In You 10/10
Gives me energy too. So if I listen to H-T and TIY I'll won't have to drink coffee in the morning anymore. I'd totally be pitting naked on this song.

3. You're Gonna Go Far, Kid 10/10
Hehe, good one too. Doesn't give me energy. But I'd still pit on this song.

4. Hammerhead 10/10
If this one was released the same time as the whole album, I'd like it more. But that's just IMO. Still I adore it.

5. A Lot Like Me 9/10
Meh...

6. Takes Me Nowhere 10/10
Uhhh... The chorus is like... Trust In Youuuuu, but then Takes Me Nowhereeee. Good one.

7. Kristy, Are You Doing Okay? 8/10
Nothing Green Day, just Offy. But a little soft. Alternative, that's good, it doesn't has to be fast all the time, though i prefer it.

8. Nothingtown 8/10
I Want You... All Tattoed... I Want You Bad... But this one's a little better, because of Greg's bassline.

9. Stuff Is Messed Up 10/10
If I could fuck songs, I'd fuck this one.

10. Fix You 7/10
Sorry for the 7, just don't like it that much, if I want cry songs (not that I cry, that'd be totally gay) I'll listen to Green Day. I DON'T SAY THIS IS LIKE GREEN DAY, JUST THAT THIS ONE'S A BIT OF A CRY SONG. A BIT. IMO.

11. Let's Hear It For Rock Bottom 10/10
First I hoped this song was a theme song for Spongebob Squarepants, but he lives in Bikini Bottom. But this one's fine with me.

12. Rise And Fall 8/10
Meh... I hoped this song was so heavy that I could pit naked in this one too. Now I'm kind of dissapointed. But that's just IMO. Anyway, sorry for the 8, I just don't like it so much.

Grabbal
06-09-2008, 11:39 AM
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The Man From Tallahassee
06-09-2008, 11:40 AM
Rise And Fall, Rage And Grace

Sorry for my short reviews, I'm just a simple person. I just don't think that much. I'm not short by length though.


1. Half-Truism 10/10
Gives me energy. Perhaps this song is equal to 3 cups of coffee, that's good.

2. Trust In You 10/10
Gives me energy too. So if I listen to H-T and TIY I'll won't have to drink coffee in the morning anymore. I'd totally be pitting naked on this song.

3. You're Gonna Go Far, Kid 10/10
Hehe, good one too. Doesn't give me energy. But I'd still pit on this song.

4. Hammerhead 10/10
If this one was released the same time as the whole album, I'd like it more. But that's just IMO. Still I adore it.

5. A Lot Like Me 9/10
Meh...

6. Takes Me Nowhere 10/10
Uhhh... The chorus is like... Trust In Youuuuu, but then Takes Me Nowhereeee. Good one.

7. Kristy, Are You Doing Okay? 8/10
Nothing Green Day, just Offy. But a little soft. Alternative, that's good, it doesn't has to be fast all the time, though i prefer it.

8. Nothingtown 8/10
I Want You... All Tattoed... I Want You Bad... But this one's a little better, because of Greg's bassline.

9. Stuff Is Messed Up 10/10
If I could fuck songs, I'd fuck this one.

10. Fix You 7/10
Sorry for the 7, just don't like it that much, if I want cry songs (not that I cry, that'd be totally gay) I'll listen to Green Day. I DON'T SAY THIS IS LIKE GREEN DAY, JUST THAT THIS ONE'S A BIT OF A CRY SONG. A BIT. IMO.

11. Let's Hear It For Rock Bottom 10/10
First I hoped this song was a theme song for Spongebob Squarepants, but he lives in Bikini Bottom. But this one's fine with me.

12. Rise And Fall 8/10
Meh... I hoped this song was so heavy that I could pit naked in this one too. Now I'm kind of dissapointed. But that's just IMO. Anyway, sorry for the 8, I just don't like it so much.
Bizarre review score system you've got there. You say 'meh' to a 9 and say you don't really like an 8. :/

Offspring.of.Offspring
06-09-2008, 11:43 AM
I know, meh mostly means 5/10. But it's Offspring you know, they get 4 points bonus.

sheepee
06-09-2008, 12:25 PM
Hi All!

I'll be waiting for this album about 4-5 years. The first six track is awesome, really, they can't be better. But... The rest of the album, well, in my opinion the tracks are avarage. I speak about only the music, I don't read the lyrics (I'm not english) After several hearing (or how can you say) maybe they gonna be much better.

However The Offspring is the most respectable band in the world (that I know).
They made everything from self-power, and after they became famous they didn't become self-conceited. (Can you see? After two years of work they put their entrie album into the internet so the fans can hear the fresh, new songs for free. How many band does make such thing like this? Not too much...)
So they can be a ideal for anybody.
I wish lot of more successful album, good luck, and happy life for the members of the band.

/I am waiting for the concert in Sopron, Hungary, at July 5. This will be the first performance at Hungary, but I can guarantee that it will be a f*cking big party, 'cos there are lot of fan here Hungary/

smashDexter
06-09-2008, 12:57 PM
I can really see a little bit of Green Day influence on this record which annoys the hell out of me, but overall, the record is worth the wait. We have songs like half-truism, trust in you, you are gonna go far kid, the well done experiments Kristy are u doing okay and a lot like me which sound phenomenal. For some of the tracks I wish I could have Bob Rock powers and bring them back to the studio and make them re do some parts. It's not that the rest of the songs are bad, well except for Rise and Fall which is some offspring version of basket case, but some songs can be changed and made better. For instance, Let's hear it for rock bottom has an amazing, incredible verse and it could lead to a heavier or a darker, if u wish, chorus rather than this happy Green Day alike thing. Hammerhead... Well a great song but i really don't like this second bang bang it hammers in my head part. This part could've been easily cut out. I mean, Have you ever was structured kinda like that but this time I don't think they hit the spot. I don't know. I am definitely buying the record though. The guys are so awesome! They shared a single for free download, put the whole album online. Come on! That's what makes offspring my favorite band!

Capricorn4
06-09-2008, 01:04 PM
Apart from Rise and fall(wich indeed similar to american idiot,but even sound a lot more better),the rest of the songs show progress,and I like the serious topics,even there are no joke song,they kept their style without repeating the past albums.

grimbl
06-09-2008, 01:26 PM
hmmmm where to start.

this album started off alright and I was hopeful. but about half way through it turned into a Simple Plan album. The problem is Simple Plan Fucking blows. I'll place some of the blame Bob Rock for the direction this album went but most of it lies on the shoulders of the Offspring themselves. This album is strike 3, at least for me. I'm done with the offspring now, and they'll go down as one of the biggest sell outs in my books.

Rating 2/10

jacknife737
06-09-2008, 01:32 PM
hmmmm where to start.

this album started off alright and I was hopeful. but about half way through it turned into a Simple Plan album. The problem is Simple Plan Fucking blows. I'll place some of the blame Bob Rock for the direction this album went but most of it lies on the shoulders of the Offspring themselves. This album is strike 3, at least for me. I'm done with the offspring now, and they'll go down as one of the biggest sell outs in my books.

Rating 2/10

I don't think that i'm going to like you.

mat.kc.
06-09-2008, 01:33 PM
hmmmm where to start.

this album started off alright and I was hopeful. but about half way through it turned into a Simple Plan album. The problem is Simple Plan Fucking blows. I'll place some of the blame Bob Rock for the direction this album went but most of it lies on the shoulders of the Offspring themselves. This album is strike 3, at least for me. I'm done with the offspring now, and they'll go down as one of the biggest sell outs in my books.

Rating 2/10

you're obviously a fucking joke. 1 post and the account was just made. fucking troll, get out of here.

medi01
06-09-2008, 01:37 PM
My review...sorry it's brief but i think i summed it up nicely:

FUCKING AWESOME

medi01
06-09-2008, 01:37 PM
hmmmm where to start.

this album started off alright and I was hopeful. but about half way through it turned into a Simple Plan album. The problem is Simple Plan Fucking blows. I'll place some of the blame Bob Rock for the direction this album went but most of it lies on the shoulders of the Offspring themselves. This album is strike 3, at least for me. I'm done with the offspring now, and they'll go down as one of the biggest sell outs in my books.

Rating 2/10

what an idiot...complete moron

drex878
06-09-2008, 01:54 PM
Rise and Fall, Rage and Grace Review

Half-Truism - 9/10
Amazing song, beautiful intro. This song was very well produced.
Trust In You - 9/10
Here's the song on the album for Smash lovers. It's a typical Offspring song...but with the twist at the end, it makes for a special piece.
You're Gonna Go Far Kid - 8/10
Catchy, decent, radio-friendly song. Nothing too special, but it displays their new sound.
Hammerhead - 9/10
No description really needed. It's a great song.
A Lot Like Me - 10/10
One of the rare songs that displays Dexter's vocal range. Something special, definitely.
Takes Me Nowhere - 9/10
Very catchy, yet harder sounding than most songs on the record. The solo is great.
Kristy, Are You Doing Okay? - 9/10
Nice to see Offspring change it up a bit, they really rocked acoustic here. Very openly personal too, which I like.
Nothingtown - 8/10
My expectations went up a lot after hearing the full version of this song. I thought it sounded a bit iffy, but now I see its greatness.
Stuff Is Messed Up 10/10
Wow, possibly my favorite on the album. Very, very original while still keeping The Offspring sound.
Fix You - 8/10
I love it how they're trying new things. The Piano sounds great, its just that it completely different than any other Offspring we've previously heard. It will definitely grow on me.
Let's Hear It For Rock Bottom - 8/10
Another catchy one. Nice ska type progress in it. Nothing stands out too much here, but undeniably a decent song.
Rise And Fall - 7/10
Not a bad song, just some what standard. I do very much like the way it ends the album, though.

Though I could calculate my scores for each song and tally up an average, I don't think thats a sane way to review a record. Albums should be reviewed by how you feel after hearing the music in it's entirety. After listening to Rise and Fall, Rage and Grace, I've felt the energy from this band that I haven't felt in a long time. While still making amazing music, I see great popularity coming from these 12 songs.

In my opinion, RAFRAG deserves an A. Of course its not perfect, but you can really see the effort that The Offspring and Bob Rock put into this.

grimbl
06-09-2008, 01:54 PM
what an idiot...complete moron


I was an Offspring fan since Ignition. They used to my favorite band, until "Conspiracy of One". If the last half of the new album doesn't sound like Simple Plan album then my hearing must be fucked. The problem is why are the Offspring who were so much better than Simple Plan trying to emulate their sappy pop punk sound(this is Bob Rocks influence no doubt). This is so far away from where they started, and I say too far. If I wanted to listen to Simple Plan then I would buy a Simple Plan album. But there is a reason I don't own any Simple Plan albums because they suck and now so do the Offspring. Look I've been fair to them I've given them 3 albums worth of chances to improve their sound, but they have failed to impress me since Americana.

Just the humble opinion of a lost fan though.

The Search Button
06-09-2008, 01:59 PM
I was an Offspring fan since Ignition. They used to my favorite band, until "Conspiracy of One". If the last half of the new album doesn't sound like Simple Plan album then my hearing must be fucked. The problem is why are the Offspring who were so much better than Simple Plan trying to emulate their sappy pop punk sound(this is Bob Rocks influence no doubt). This is so far away from where they started, and I say too far. If I wanted to listen to Simple Plan then I would buy a Simple Plan album. But there is a reason I don't own any Simple Plan albums because they suck and now so do the Offspring. Look I've been fair to them I've given them 3 albums worth of chances to improve their sound, but they have failed to impress me since Americana.

Just the humble opinion of a lost fan though.

Ok it's just you opinion, but why do you keep saying the the band lost you as a fan? Who the fuck you think you are?

Do you imagine how many new fans the band just gained today?

grimbl
06-09-2008, 02:09 PM
Ok it's just you opinion, but why do you keep saying the the band lost you as a fan? Who the fuck you think you are?

Do you imagine how many new fans the band just gained today?

ya I do, a bunch of people who don't know what good ORIGINAL music truly is. There is nothing original about this, it the same packaged up pop punk sound thats been beat to death for a long time now. it's not awe inspiring, and it will not go down in history as the Offsprings best work, far from it.

leo3375
06-09-2008, 02:15 PM
ya I do, a bunch of people who don't know what good ORIGINAL music truly is. There is nothing original about this, it the same packaged up pop punk sound thats been beat to death for a long time now. it's not awe inspiring, and it will not go down in history as the Offsprings best work, far from it.

This basically smacks of troll behavior. It seems that you are simply looking to deliberately piss people off and you are not prepared with a logical defense to back up your opinions.

Now, back on topic.

Little_Miss_1565
06-09-2008, 02:15 PM
ya I do, a bunch of people who don't know what good ORIGINAL music truly is. There is nothing original about this, it the same packaged up pop punk sound thats been beat to death for a long time now. it's not awe inspiring, and it will not go down in history as the Offsprings best work, far from it.

Ah, so maybe they should experiment with static and all kinds of non-traditional sound sources and be truly original. Oh wait, Merzbow kind of has the market cornered on that. How about they do tons of operatic screaming and heart-wrenching wailing, find themselves a four octave vocal range and be true artists? Ah, shit, I knew I was thinking of Diamanda Galas. What about performing in masks and giving voice to the deepest darkest anger of teens? Oh right, Slipknot...

You see where I'm going with this? Who gives a fuck if it's "original" because there is always always always always going to be someone else to compare it to. It's the nature of music. The Offspring have always been just as they are on RAFRAG, albeit in different forms. This shit is fucking GOOD, so who cares if they're not pioneering brave new lands in the musical landscape.

grimbl
06-09-2008, 02:18 PM
Oh really I thought this was a thread for reviews. I gave one. it seems it's others that have a problem with my opinion.

smashDexter
06-09-2008, 02:19 PM
ya I do, a bunch of people who don't know what good ORIGINAL music truly is. There is nothing original about this, it the same packaged up pop punk sound thats been beat to death for a long time now. it's not awe inspiring, and it will not go down in history as the Offsprings best work, far from it.

Dude go jerk off or something, Rise and Fall Rage and Grace is so far the most original stuff they have come up with! 'cause they don't care about "fans" like you who just like bitching... my friend, the offspring would never release another smash or ixnay ... and unlike splinter, this time they didn't try to make another smash or americana

T_immortal
06-09-2008, 02:33 PM
Alright I figured I'd give this a shot, I don't know if this would belong on another thread, but the sticky looked like it was for links to reviews. Im gonna go song by song on this one, here goes:


Half Truism: The intro sounds like one of those music boxes until it explodes into something amazing, right off the bat you can tell that Dexter's voice is in the best form it's ever been, a fantastic way to kick off an album. 10/10

Trust In you: A classic Offspring sounding song, powerful lyrics, fast guitar, and so much energy put into this one. The bridge is something out of this world. Would fit right into "Smash" (the album I mean). 10/10

You're Gonna Go Far, Kid: Well assuming most of us have heard the live version, the studio version blows it out of the water. Good single material, and Is it just me or does it have a more upbeat sound than the two tracks before it, while maintaining the theme of seriousness that is already apparent in this album? The standard of excellence continues. 10/10

Hammerhead: Well what hasn't been said about Hammerhead? But I finally feel that here's a single that doesn't seem out of place when heard alongside the other songs on the album. 10/10

A Lot Like Me: I would have to say the best song on the album, Dexter's voice has completely changed for this one, and he pulls it off with flying colors. This song as a single would be wonderful (for me anyways) Rise and Fall, Rage and Grace's equivalent to Gone Away and Race Against Myself. Brilliant, absolutely brilliant. 10/10

Takes Me Nowhere: Now this is where I start eating humble pie, as the preview kind of put me off of this one, but the full version changed me thoughts on it. I get a kind of "Kick Him When He's down Vibe"? Great song, like the 5 before it. 10/10

Kristy, Are You Doing Okay?: Another song that the previews did not do justice to. This is deep stuff lyrically, and a very moving song. A welcome departure from the heavier sounding soungs before it. 9/10

Nothingtown: A solid listen, and would make for a decent single. This song gets extra points for the solo (especially the bass solo!). Has a bit of a pop-ish sound to it but that's not a bad thing at all . However, all of the above mentioned, I'm not feeling this one as much as I have some of the other songs on the album. 8/10

Stuff Is Messed Up: There's no better song to say "fuck authority" than this one. An awesome angry rant anthem, sounds like a cross between "Bad Habit" and "Holiday" by Green Day, with the former being the lyrical content, and the latter being the sound. Really good song to jam to, I can't wait to see this one live (if they play it live ). 10/10

Fix You: Now heres something a lot different from what we've heard. Similar to "Denial, Revisited". Good song, again here's one that wasn't done justice by the preview. Although I can't say I'll listen to this one everytime it comes on, I might end up skipping it eventually. 7/10

Let's Hear It For Rock Bottom: One song I just couldn't get into. I don't know what it is, but this one doesn't have the hook factor that most of the others on this album have had. I like the verse, but not so much the chorus, however I think this one may grow on me in the future. 6/10

Rise And Fall: Say what you will about the "American Idiot" comparisons, this is a solid close to a great album. It's good, and for the record it does sound a lot like "American Idiot" which isn't a bad thing (unless it becomes a single and gets overplayed as much as AI did). It's worth mentioning again, good closeout to the album. 8/10

In conclusion:

A mezmerising, captivating entry from the band we've come to know and love over the past number of years. If it were to be compared to the other albums, I would say it's Ixnay On The Hombre's sequel, with dashes of Smash, Ignition, and even Conspiracy of One thrown in to spice things up a bit. As I write this conclusion, Half-Truism is playing for the 10th time on loop on my laptop. They just couldn't seem to go wrong with this one, even the only song I didn't like all that much had its moments, and Dexter was not kidding when he said this is some of the best stuff they've ever done. It truly is, and was worth the wait 100%. Although it would be nice to see something new before 5 years from now (but that's looking too far ahead I think at the moment ). Lyrically, the band has matured, and Rise And Fall, Rage And Grace is a testament to their newfound seriousness that showed signs of emerging with "Splinter", but has come into full light on this latest addition to their discography. Musically, influences from other songs are ever present throughout the album, and it's truly wonderful to see how The Offspring's sound has evolved over time. Ive been following them since "Conspiracy Of One", since I was 12, and I've never been prouder to be a fan. They've vindicated my faith and patience completely with this new record, and they deserve every accolade it brings them. Thanks for something special guys!

A+! :)
Yes I got rid of the adding scores up part :)

Indii
06-09-2008, 02:36 PM
Ah, so maybe they should experiment with static and all kinds of non-traditional sound sources and be truly original. Oh wait, Merzbow kind of has the market cornered on that. How about they do tons of operatic screaming and heart-wrenching wailing, find themselves a four octave vocal range and be true artists? Ah, shit, I knew I was thinking of Diamanda Galas. What about performing in masks and giving voice to the deepest darkest anger of teens? Oh right, Slipknot...

You see where I'm going with this? Who gives a fuck if it's "original" because there is always always always always going to be someone else to compare it to. It's the nature of music. The Offspring have always been just as they are on RAFRAG, albeit in different forms. This shit is fucking GOOD, so who cares if they're not pioneering brave new lands in the musical landscape.

Never thought I'd quote Mod in any forum to say she is so right that it hurts. ;)

jacknife737
06-09-2008, 02:39 PM
So this is quite an emotional day for me, I’ve been listening to the band for about a decade, they were the band that not only introduced me to what “punk rock” was, but music in general.

So, immediately I noticed the apparent absence of an “intro”, the band opting to instead “let the music do the talking”. Half-Truism was a song that grabbed my attention when I first heard it as a bootleg from the Australian Summer Sonic Festival, the studio version seems to be slower than the live version, and the vocals are near orgasmic, especially during the chorus. This track would be an amazing single.

Next is Trust in You, this track had me bouncing around my room like I was in a mosh pit, its going to go down amazing live. It is definitely similar to previous Offspring tracks, both Smash and All I Want came to mind. However, like fellow punk pioneers Bad Religion, the Offspring have managed to create a track that offers both something new, and old.

You’re Gonna Go Far Kid. is a track that I’ve been ever so excited for, as soon as people who managed to get a hold of promo copies of RAFRAG began teasing the bbs with descriptions I knew I needed to hear this song. The band offers us their own unique take on “dance punk”, in a similar vein as Against Me!’s Stop. It was about this time, I began to get a little chocked up/tight in the chest, the song itself is not depressing, I was simply getting emotional hearing my favorite band at their finest hour.

In retrospect after hearing the rest of the album, I almost questioned issuing Hammerhead as the first single. But, I realize that the band was sending its fanbase a message with this track “We’re back”.

A Lot Like Me is probably one of the strongest tracks off the album. I love Dexter’s vocals, a really powerful song. This shows the band is fully able to experiment, and have it pay off.

Takes Me Nowhere, again, a more traditional Offspring track, hard hitting, and dark. I love it!

In several of the “new album” threads, in like 06 and 07 I frequently posted that I hoped Holland and co would make use of an acoustic guitar, and on Kristy it works fucking brilliantly. Despite its extreme subject matter, it’s defiantly going to be a single.

I love songs that have a “happy” vibe musically, while having dark lyrics, and Nothingtown is an ideal example of this. For some reason, the riots in France of the past year came to mind while listening to this song, not sure if that was its intention though. If this becomes a single, I’ll bet they can make a great video of it, one of my favorite tracks.

Stuff is Messed, like Trust in You offers the listener a glimpse into the band’s past and future. Love the lyrics, love the “la la la” part, love the song.

Fix You, is one of the most surprising songs on the album, based on some of the “early” reviews, I approached this song cautiously, but any notions of doubt vanished quickly, I love how this song builds up its energy.

Lets Hear It For Rock Bottom, I love the ska influence, love the song.

I’ve always found The Offspring choose really interesting tracks to end their albums, although I was really disappointed the way Splinter ended. With Rise and Fall, the band leaves with a fist pumping anthem, a perfect end, to an amazing album.

So thanks to those of you who took the time to read this far to long review. RAFRAG is one of their best efforts to date. In comparison to the band’s previous efforts, a lot of people seem to be comparing it to Ixnay due to its experimentation, and they are correct. However, to me, this album is most like Americana. The band was at a “low point” in their career, and decided to come out swinging, and they succeeded.

grimbl
06-09-2008, 02:43 PM
Like I said in my original post the first 4-5 songs on the new album were good offspring tunes but then the rest sounds like Simple Plan to me. Why are they going for that sound again? oh ya Bob Rock produced. what other punk bands did he produce hmmmm, let me see Simple Plan maybe! and really you got to stick with what sells albums you know.

Cock Joke
06-09-2008, 02:46 PM
Didn't he also produce Sum 41's Underclass Hero?

grimbl
06-09-2008, 02:50 PM
Didn't he also produce Sum 41's Underclass Hero?

I don't think so

drex878
06-09-2008, 02:53 PM
Like I said in my original post the first 4-5 songs on the new album were good offspring tunes but then the rest sounds like Simple Plan to me. Why are they going for that sound again? oh ya Bob Rock produced. what other punk bands did he produce hmmmm, let me see Simple Plan maybe! and really you got to stick with what sells albums you know.

Well I guess you listen to Simple Plan then. Seriously, this is a time for Offspring fans that is very exciting. If you only have negative things to say, fuck off. Go back to the Simple Plan forums.

Jack-UK
06-09-2008, 02:55 PM
Great review jacknife

:cool:

grimbl
06-09-2008, 02:56 PM
I'm sorry did the thread title say good reviews only. and I never said I never heard S.P. who hasn't

Little_Miss_1565
06-09-2008, 02:59 PM
I'm sorry did the thread title say good reviews only. and I never said I never heard S.P. who hasn't

I haven't heard Simple Plan. And no, it doesn't say good reviews only, but you're being a jerk about your poor review, so don't act all surprised when people call you out on it.

The Search Button
06-09-2008, 03:04 PM
Great review jacknife

:cool:

Indeed.

I enjoyed how your words depicted the emotion of hearing the songs.

Well done!

P.S.-LOL at parallel realities.

Xyrin
06-09-2008, 03:04 PM
I haven't heard Simple Plan. And no, it doesn't say good reviews only, but you're being a jerk about your poor review, so don't act all surprised when people call you out on it.

Owned in the face.

I'll type up a review once I get the time to, though.

grimbl
06-09-2008, 03:07 PM
I haven't heard Simple Plan. And no, it doesn't say good reviews only, but you're being a jerk about your poor review, so don't act all surprised when people call you out on it.

First I call lies on never hearing simple plan you probably never heard Avril Lavigne either.. lol. second I wonder why I'm the one being insulted if I'm the jerk. you people need to get over yourselves. grow up. I don't like the album. and I gave a reason. but I guess thats ground for the insults I've received, and the need to defend myself.

Little_Miss_1565
06-09-2008, 03:10 PM
First I call lies on never hearing simple plan you probably never heard Avril Lavigne either.. lol. second I wonder why I'm the one being insulted if I'm the jerk. you people need to get over yourselves. grow up. I don't like the album. and I gave a reason. but I guess thats ground for the insults I've received, and the need to defend myself.

Why bother registering and posting just to post a thumbs-down review? Why expend the energy?

I have heard Avril Lavigne. Simple Plan is nowhere near as popular.

jacknife737
06-09-2008, 03:12 PM
Indeed.

I enjoyed how your words depicted the emotion of hearing the songs.

Well done!


Great review jacknife

:cool:

Thanks a lot guys.

grimbl
06-09-2008, 03:17 PM
Why bother registering and posting just to post a thumbs-down review? Why expend the energy?

I have heard Avril Lavigne. Simple Plan is nowhere near as popular.

because I've was a fan and need to show my disappointment in the Band and the new album, and there's no better place then the bands website.

Xyrin
06-09-2008, 03:19 PM
I haven't heard Simple Plan. And no, it doesn't say good reviews only, but you're being a jerk about your poor review, so don't act all surprised when people call you out on it.


because I've was a fan and need to show my disappointment in the Band and the new album, and there's no better place then the bands website.

To be honest, you type as if you were drunk.

Your opinion is your opinion, sure. But, please, for all of our sakes, don't compare the album to other bands. At least be intelligent about your review.

grimbl
06-09-2008, 03:22 PM
To be honest, you type as if you were drunk.

Your opinion is your opinion, sure. But, please, for all of our sakes, don't compare the album to other bands. At least be intelligent about your review.

:rolleyes: when all else fails attack grammar.

Little_Miss_1565
06-09-2008, 03:29 PM
No more bitching. Let's get back to the reviews.

Smashed Ixnay
06-09-2008, 03:42 PM
hmmmm where to start.

this album started off alright and I was hopeful. but about half way through it turned into a Simple Plan album. The problem is Simple Plan Fucking blows. I'll place some of the blame Bob Rock for the direction this album went but most of it lies on the shoulders of the Offspring themselves. This album is strike 3, at least for me. I'm done with the offspring now, and they'll go down as one of the biggest sell outs in my books.

Rating 2/10

I've been listening to The Offspring for probably 15 years now and I'm anything but a troll, but I'm let down by this album. I gotta agree with grimbl about it starting out good, but then it just went down hill. Hell, I agree with him about all the Simple Plan stuff he said too, LOL! Anyways, I should of seen this coming with many bands out there going mainstream and shit, but it's still a shocker that my favorite band for the past 15 years would produce this.

I'd give the album a 5/10 after listening to it. Call me a troll or whatever you want, but all this emo bullshit should of stayed out of the album, IMO. I felt like I wanted to kill myself.

I'm sure I'll get bashed for this, but I really don't care. That's what I think of the album.

IamSam
06-09-2008, 03:47 PM
I have to say that I didn’t plan on reviewing the new album, but after jacknife (and me convincing him to listen to the album) I thought I’d review it as well

1. Half-Truism-I love the sedate music box opening into full fledged sound. I love the catchy chorus and its ability to get stuck in my head. Something else I like is the drop to half time for the chorus. The second verse is my favorite and the vocals stick out as being some of the best.

2. Trust In You-The guitar riffs in this song are powerful and meaty. There is something during the chorus that sounds slightly “Tom Morello”ish as someone else put it. I like the change of pace in the bridge with the guitar completely dropping out
leaving only the bass and drums and then slowly building everything back up into the chorus. Brilliance. Brilliance also describes Josh Freese on drums.

3. You’re Gonna Go Far, Kid-Love the ‘kick’ beat and how it moves into the raucous chorus. The guitars also stick out to me with their little diddy at the end of the chorus. Insanely catchy, this song gets stuck in my head easily, although I question its ability to be a single.

4. Hammerhead-This song reminds me of Have You Ever in structure. Hammerhead has easily climbed into my top 5 songs by the band because of its amazing lyrical qualities of dealing with a troubling issue.

5. A Lot Like Me-I laugh at the people who listened to the 30 second previews on Amazon and doubted it. This song is so powerful. Dexter’s vocal range is once again on the forefront like it was when they covered Total Immortal. I have had the soaring chorus stuck in my head since the Amazon previews. I think the piano is brilliant as well.

6. Takes Me Nowhere-The guitar part is as catchy as Jason Varitek. I like that Dexter brought back the dueling vocals from a few Conspiracy of One songs. Josh Freese displays some power on the drums. The melody line for the vocals has a flow to it that I love.

7. Kristy, Are You Doing Ok?-Every time I hear ‘acoustic’ and ‘Offspring’ in the same sentence, I cringe (except for Dirty Magic). Kristy is simply great. It combines electric and acoustic, and touches on a grave subject. The mood of the song is brilliant and fits the subject and lyrics perfectly.

8. Nothingtown-From the opening guitars I knew I’d like this song. I like bouncy songs, especially those that are slightly less bouncy lyrically. The lyrics are of a ‘depressing’ nature, but the music sounds happy. That reminds me of Reel Big Fish (style only, it doesn’t sound like a RBF song). Everyone worried about this song being a Green Day ripoff, but I sincerely doubt that. The bassline/guitar solo in the bridge is epic. I love it.

9. Stuff Is Messed Up-Boomba chicka boomba chicka boomba chicka! I love the subject matter of this song. This is classic sarcastic Offspring. They def rock my casbah with this song. I have to say the quick speaking end part is amazing, and very original.

10. Fix You-I’d like to hear from Dexter what this song is about. I get a Snow Patrol feel during part of this song, but only briefly. I like this song mainly because it branches out into unfamiliar territory yet still sounds familiar. In some ways it reminds me of Dirty Magic.

11. Let’s Hear it For Rock Bottom-I love when the band does a little ska type song. And I really like the Weezer Island in the Sun feeling during parts of the song. This song is also catchy and really enjoyable, although part of me thinks it is forgettable. I can’t wait for the official lyrics.

12. Rise and Fall-I’m always a sucker for anthem type songs and this one caught me. The solo from the guitar sounds like it is fun to play. I like this song as an ending because it seems to put an exclamation point on the end of the album.

In a wrap up, this album has the makings to raise the band through the roof, that is if they market it right. Noodles wasn’t kidding when he said that the album had 12 hits. I agree with JohnnyNem about the band listening to the fans and to themselves for what they wanted to do. I also agree with Jacknife on the emotions I felt while listening to this album. I was in awe with the sounds they were putting out.
Well done, very well done!

ppronni
06-09-2008, 03:47 PM
As someone said, first half of the album (6 songs) is awesome. All songs are amazing. However, second half is, excepting Stuff's Messed Up - which is awesome as well - average or weak. Catchy, poppy and not very original. It's a pity cos in the first half there're some songs which are incredible, like Trust in You, Hammerhead, YGGFK, A lot like me and, especially, HALF-TRUISM, which is my favorite song of the record and of all their discography. It must be a single.

So I'd give the first half a 9/10 and the second one a 5/10 so I guess the album's a 7/10. Not bad, congratulations to the band.

IamSam
06-09-2008, 03:48 PM
I'd give the album a 5/10 after listening to it. Call me a troll or whatever you want, but all this emo bullshit should of stayed out of the album, IMO. I felt like I wanted to kill myself.

I'm sure I'll get bashed for this, but I really don't care. That's what I think of the album.

What emo bullshit? Please, tell us.

Ristifer
06-09-2008, 03:57 PM
I've been listening to The Offspring for probably 15 years now and I'm anything but a troll, but I'm let down by this album. I gotta agree with grimbl about it starting out good, but then it just went down hill. Hell, I agree with him about all the Simple Plan stuff he said too, LOL! Anyways, I should of seen this coming with many bands out there going mainstream and shit, but it's still a shocker that my favorite band for the past 15 years would produce this.

I'd give the album a 5/10 after listening to it. Call me a troll or whatever you want, but all this emo bullshit should of stayed out of the album, IMO. I felt like I wanted to kill myself.

I'm sure I'll get bashed for this, but I really don't care. That's what I think of the album.
You do realize that The Offspring went mainstream over 10 years ago right?

Opinions are opinions, but I think some people just think that slow slongs = emo music in a punk band.

Maybe it's just me, but I'd rather see The Offspring write some slower songs once in a while than write more Pretty Fly's. Songs like those are what was wrong with this band. It seems like those days are over with this album, thank goodness.

ixnition
06-09-2008, 04:12 PM
I don't usually take the time to post my opinion on this message board (mainly because opinions are like assholes: everybody has one) but I'm shocked at the amount of negative comments about this album. I've got no complaints about it. I'll even admit that some songs sound a little similar to other artists but that still doesn't even scratch the quality of this attempt. Honestly, what song doesn't sound like another one at one point in time or another? Hardly a reason to call them bad songs. At least the album isn't boring and stays interesting from track to track. I say...GREAT ALBUM, just what I would expect from these guys.

grimbl
06-09-2008, 04:16 PM
Ok, here's a review song by song for you on my thoughts on this album, This is the 3rd time I've listened to the whole album so I did give it a fair chance.


1. Half-Truism 7/10
Good song, A little different but still has that offspring edge I love. There may be hope for them yet.

2. Trust In You 9/10
This is classic Offspring, makes me want to jump around my house. great simple base line This is why I loved them in the first place. best track on the album

3. You're Gonna Go Far, Kid 7/10
Another solid effort, "dance fucker dance" great line. this song also has a more alternative feel to it but still good.

4. Hammerhead 6/10
Good but not great. song seem to drag on near the end gets boring and I find myself wanting to skip forward.

5. A Lot Like Me 6/10
This is a total direction shift for the album. It is different from anything they have done before. Not my favorite but I still dig it.

6. Takes Me Nowhere 2/10
Meh.. dexter vocals sound off. I find that this song lacks feeling and is filler for the album. I guess every album can have a week song.

7. Kristy, Are You Doing Okay? 0/10
WTF? this is this simple plan I'm listening too. this is the opposite of where I expected this album to go. total shift in style to sappy crap.

8. Nothingtown 1/10
Wait I've heard this before. the original was way better. this is a reoccurring theme with the offspring.

9. Stuff Is Messed Up 1/10
Great lyrics :rolleyes: lame, and the concept is sooooooooooooooooooooooo worn out.

10. Fix You 0/10
OFMG we went back to Simple Plan. just more sappy crap. "I wish I could fix you" what are we Emo now.

11. Let's Hear It For Rock Bottom 0/10
Another worn out theme by the offspring looks like all still only want to play for is angsty teens. Generic Offspring stuff that I've heard before. the Chorus sounds like NOFX's - Franco Un-American

12. Rise And Fall 2/10
nice effort, but to little to late, sounds like just another pop punk song I've heard a million times.

overall rating 3/10 wow it gone up one point from my first review


Bring on the hate, I'm ready. :p

Ristifer
06-09-2008, 04:18 PM
Ok, here's a review song by song for you on my thoughts on this album, This is the 3rd time I've listened to the whole album so I did give it a fair chance.


1. Half-Truism 7/10
Good song, A little different but still has that offspring edge I love. There may be hope for them yet.

2. Trust In You 9/10
This is classic Offspring, makes me want to jump around my house. great simple base line This is why I loved them in the first place. best track on the album

3. You're Gonna Go Far, Kid 7/10
Another solid effort, "dance fucker dance" great line. this song also has a more alternative feel to it but still good.

4. Hammerhead 6/10
Good but not great. song seem to drag on near the end gets boring and I find myself wanting to skip forward.

5. A Lot Like Me 6/10
This is a total direction shift for the album. It is different from anything they have done before. Not my favorite but I still dig it.

6. Takes Me Nowhere 2/10
Meh.. dexter vocals sound off. I find that this song lacks feeling and is filler for the album. I guess every album can have a week song.

7. Kristy, Are You Doing Okay? 0/10
WTF? this is this simple plan I'm listening too. this is the opposite of where I expected this album to go. total shift in style to sappy crap.

8. Nothingtown 1/10
Wait I've heard this before. the original was way better. this is a reoccurring theme with the offspring.

9. Stuff Is Messed Up 1/10
Great lyrics :rolleyes: lame, and the concept is sooooooooooooooooooooooo worn out.

10. Fix You 0/10
OFMG we went back to Simple Plan. just more sappy crap. "I wish I could fix you" what are we Emo now.

11. Let's Hear It For Rock Bottom 0/10
Another worn out theme by the offspring looks like all still only want to play for is angsty teens. Generic Offspring stuff that I've heard before. the Chores sounds like NOFX's - Franco Un-American

12. Rise And Fall 2/10
nice effort, but to little to late, sounds like just another pop punk song I've heard a million times.

overall rating 3/10 wow it gone up one point from my first review


Bring on the hate, I'm ready. :p
I'm not really gonna pick on ya or anything, but Hammerhead only a 6? I'm surprised by that more than anything.

Rooster
06-09-2008, 04:30 PM
Okay, here's my review:

1. Half-Truism - as told by many before me, it's a perfect album opener. I really like the tempo changes in this song. 10/10
2. Trust In You - pure energy, do i need to say more? It is similar to Smash (the song)in structure and tempo, but still different enough that you can say it's not a direct clone. 10/10
3. You're Gonna Go Far, Kid - a song, that could be a great hit. It has a really good vibe and it would be perfect to dance to at a party. In my opinion this could be a successful single (bui it may never be released as a single because of the "dance, fucker, dance" line). 10/10
4. Hammerhead - The first album's single. Even though the second half of the song is very similar to the Nirvana's Stay Away, that part fits into the whole song really well (maybe it is unintentional, or maybe it is a kind of a homage to Nirvana, since Dexter really likes that band) - 10/10
5. A Lot Like Me - The first surprise on the album. A great, slow alternative rock song with one of the most beautiful choruses done by The Offspring. It is in a different style than we were used to from this band, but the song is really good. 10/10
6. Takes Me Nowhere - Another of the faster songs on the album. It has some sort of Bad Religion-like vibe to it, but in the "offspringish way". Awesome 10/10
7. Kristy, Are You Doing Okay? - One of the slower, poppier songs on the album. A touching song with a very serious theme, and another surprise on the album. though the song itself is good, it is not one of my favourites from the album 8/10
8. Nothingtown - Great song for changing the mood right after a slower song. Compared a lot to Green Day, but Green Day didn't invent this rhytm. 9/10
9. Stuff Is Messed Up - An anthem. A great song for listening as loud as possible while driving your car. One of the more pleasant surprises from the album. 10/10
10. Fix You - a slow, pop-rock ballad, that was underrated by hearing a 30 sec. preview. Though it is a good song again it is not one of my favourites, but it is growing on me every time i listen to it. 7/10
11. Let's Hear It For Rock Bottom - The ska-ish song of the album. The best ska-vibe song by The Offspring so far, guitar work is just great. 9/10
12. Rise and Fall - A fast song with similar structure like Green Day's AI (which is a rip-off from a Dillinger Four's song). Still it difers enough from those two tracks that you can tell who is the band playing right away. 9/10

This is my first review ever, i hope you like it.

aceizace
06-09-2008, 05:10 PM
Rise and Fall does remind me of American Idiot. But Rise and Fall doesn't make me want to shoot myself. (Nothing against Green Day just don't like that song)

Llamas
06-09-2008, 05:13 PM
Oh my God. I caved hardcore. I was gonna hold out, but it wasn't possible. haha. Having the album leak one day before Alanis's album came out destroyed my plan.

So, this album is amazing. Possibly my second favorite ever (after Ixnay).

Half Truism: 9.5/10 Very successful attempt at what RAM seemed to attempt but failed in. I like every bit of this song, though the chorus is kinda average. The verses and bridge are terrific and strong. I do like the chorus in context of the song- it is powerful in its surroundings.

Trust in You: 9.5/10 The only reason this isn't 10/10 is because it definitely reminds me of Smash (the guitar parts are so similar). Over time, that association will go away, and I'll probably like it more. The chorus is awesome, and the second half of the song is AMAZING. The breakdown is so good. The bass/guitar combo is just fantastic and goosebumps-giving.

You're Gonna Go Far, Kid: 10/10 This might be my favorite song on the album. I dug the live version, and the studio version is even better. There is nothing I dislike about this song. The pre-chorus gets me every time... the guitar riff with that tone is incredible. I love love love the dropped out chorus later in the song. My god, I could go on about this song forever. I hope it's a single. Oh, and the harmonies are spiffy in this one, too.

Hammerhead: 9/10 I might just be a bit biased against this one cause I listened to it too many times before the album release. It's a great song, but I guess I'm "sick" of it, in context of the album. It probably will be a 10/10 once I get used to the whole album.

A Lot Like Me: 10/10 This is the other song that might be my favorite on the album. It's such a divergence for the band, and a huge success. Dexter's voice sounds great here, and the feel of the song is AWESOME. This is the best success on the album as far as doing something completely different, I think, which makes me too happy. :)

Takes Me Nowhere: 9/10 When this song started, I didn't like it at all. I think I just don't like it coming after A Lot Like Me... it doesn't flow right. The song grows on me as it goes along, though. It's a good fast song (though I think Trust In You is better as those go). I like the counter-melody in the chorus a lot.

Kristy, Are You Doing Okay: 6/10 This is my least favorite song at this point. It could grow on me, and I'm hoping it will... the lyrics could bring it up quite a bit... but right now, I'm finding it pretty bland and unoriginal. :-/ And this is the one song on the album that (I really, really hate to say this) sounds like it should've been a Green Day song. I don't think it was necessarily influenced by Green Day, but I think Billie Joe's voice would fit better in this song. I hope it'll grow on me... but it'll take off huge if it's the next single.

Nothingtown: 8.5/10 It's good, it's fun, and it's different... but it doesn't really stand out to me.

Stuff is Messed Up: 8/10 This could grow on me, but it seems like a very typical Offspring song they didn't put much effort into. It reminds me stuff like Walla Walla, Special Delivery, and One Fine Day. I hope it'll grow on me, but it just seems like a dumb song... still catchy/fun, though. I like the fast rappish part, too... which earns it an 8.

Fix You: 9/10 I like this song more than most people seem to. It has a very different twist to it, and is very creative for the Offspring. The only reason it doesn't get a 10 is because I don't like how Dexter's voice sounds in the atmosphere of the song. His voice sounds too whiny, though I'm not sure if that's intentional or not. But I really, really enjoy the song.

Let's Hear it for Rock Bottom: 9/10 I really really like the verses. But I don't think the chorus totally fits with them. As a whole, it's a good song, and I definitely like it. :)

Rise and Fall: 7/10 Second least favorite song... meh. Pretty bland, but still good cause it's very Offspring.


Currently, I think this is one of their best albums ever. I haven't liked an Offspring album upon first listens this much since I got Ignition. Smash, S/T, Co1, and Splinter didn't hit me so well as this one does. :)

Cock Joke
06-09-2008, 05:50 PM
Awright! So, here is my take on the album song-by-song!

Half-Truism: Perfect opening! Something you just wanna pump your fist and bob your head to! (10/10)

Trust in You: Classic Offspring with more brutality in there! I love it! And Greg, if I'm not mistaken, does his 1st bass solo! The whole thing is just amazing from beginning to end! The solo on that one is the best one the whole album. (10/10)

You're Gonna Go Far, Kid: The type of song that just makes you wanna punch something and tear someone's face off! (10/10)

Hammerhead: Makes the perfect single for a comeback Offspring album! It's got that big tempo change late in the song, I know all the words already. It's got that awesome chant, "Bang bang hammers in my head!" As for the video, it'll definitely grow on me! (9/10)

A Lot Like Me: Slows down a bit. I can get into this song, that's for sure. It has potential to be a single. (8/10)

Takes Me Nowhere: Oh yea! This song is so awesome! Upbeat, Green Day meets Ramones...sort of. (9/10)

Kristy, Are You Doing Okay?: It'll grow on me. I'm not a real huge fan of most ballads, but this one is really good. It's great of Dexter to record a soft, sentimental song every so often. (7/10)

Nothingtown: I like it. We're definitely entering Sum 41 territory, here, which is kinda alright, I guess. Good song, though. (8/10)

Stuff is Messed Up: Awesome song! Best on the album! You know they're gonna do this live! It was made to be a live frikkin song! (10/10)

Fix You: A bit linkin park, I guess. It's awright, though. (7.5/10)

Let's Hear it For Rock Bottom: Cool song. Upbeat, definitely. Anyone notice that it said "From" Rock Bottom on the imeem site? (8/10)

Rise and Fall: Holy piss, this one sounds just like American Idiot! (6/10)

Overall, the album gets 8.5/10! I can't wait to buy it!

jacknife737
06-09-2008, 05:51 PM
Nice review Raptor88.


There is nothing I dislike about this song. The pre-chorus gets me every time... the guitar riff with that tone is incredible.

You too ilovellamas. And I completely agree with this, the "pre chorus" gives me goosebumps every time I listen to the song.

Mr. Orange
06-09-2008, 06:03 PM
Hammerhead is an amazing song. Easily my favorite first single since Come Out And Play. Though it's hard to compare it to the others since I heard it for the first time ten months ago, I'd say it's probably my favorite song on the album.

Trust In You is a great Offspring–esque song. I'm a bit disappointed that it's the only really Offspring-esque song on the album. I would've like it if they'd tacked on a few more of these just to make the record a little more Offspringy. I'm a bit worried because these type of songs seem to get fewer and fewer every album. I just hope they never completely abandon them.

A Lot Like Me is an incredible, beautiful song. I'd say it's the best slow, powerful, sad sounding-type song they've done... well, ever. I think it's better than Gone Away. When I first heard there was a piano in it I was a bit skeptical. I was afraid it might be a little cheesy, but I'm happy to say I was dead wrong. They pulled it off; the piano blends in perfectly. Dexter's vocals sound amazing. I can't stop listening to this one. My second favorite on the album.

Stuff Is Messed Up is a catchy, kick ass song. I love the swing feel. I can't help but wonder how many takes Dexter had to do to get the bridge right. It'll be funny to hear him attempt that live. (Third favorite)

Half-Truism, You're Gonna Go Far Kid, and Takes Me Nowhere are all good songs but none of them really jump out at me. I'd say Takes Me Nowhere is the best of the three.

The other 5 songs, I hate to say, all really just bored me.

I'm hoping that Stuff Is Messed Up will be the 2nd single, and A Lot Like Me will be the 3rd. I think A Lot Like Me is the better song, but Stuff Is Messed up is more of an attention grabber.

Overall it's a good album. Some amazing songs. Some not-so-amazing songs. A bit better than splinter, but not as good as the Ignition through Americana albums. My main problem is the lack of those fast classic Offspring style songs. A few more Trust In You's would have been nice. I certainly wouldn't say it's even close to being a return to their roots, as a lot of people were predicting. It's definitely worth buying though. I'll probably pre-order it on amazon in the next few days.

Ninty Man
06-09-2008, 06:25 PM
Half- TRuism: Great, GREAT FUCKING song, I must admit is radio friendly, but... is pretty good 10/10

Trust in you: Oh my god... I think is better that The noose 10/10

You're gonna go far kid-, this most be the second single... PERIOD. 10/10

Hammerhead-. awesome 10/10

A lot like me-. Is pretty much like once from Van Halen III... but this is well done 9/10

takes me nowhere-. Catchy,m powerful... 9.5/10

Kristy , are you doing OK? What I dislike is the chorus... but is a good ballad 8/10

Nothingtown: Fun song-... not a classic, but good 8.5/10

Stuff is messed up: WOW... FUCKING GOOD, 10/10

Fix you: Is a I would play without shame..., and the girls will love it XD. 9/10

Let's hear it from the rock bottom: I love the kinda reggae bridge, and is a pretty fun song... Is a typical 90's californian punk rock song, and It could be great with me playing it XD 9/10

Rise and fall: I remember that every album has a FUCKING AWESOME TO CLOSE IT... except Splinter... and I think that is a good song, but it could be better 8/10

wrc307
06-09-2008, 06:51 PM
i like the whole album but the best are:
trust in you: i really love this song, its a true love, its a beautiful song, its the clasic offspring with a nice bridge and a really nice solo. but i think that the corus is the best part. 11/10
youre gonna go far kid: its a great song but i keep my opinion, i prefer the live version, it have more power than the studio version 9/10
half truism: im agree with the rest of the opinions about this song, its a perfect opening 9/10
hammerhead: it dont need a review, its a power song 10/10


the songs are poorly distributed, i mean the best part of the album are the first 4 in row i think that youre gonna go far kid would be perfectly the song number 7 and trust in you the number 10

the album 9.3/10 its better than splinter (i like splinter) , ixnay, conspiracy. but its not like smash :)

.:SMASH:.
06-09-2008, 06:52 PM
1. Half Truism - Brilliant start to the album. To me it's perfect, no boring bits extremely fun to sing along to. 10/10

2. Trust In You - This song has somehow gotten better with every listen. The breakdown stands out to me the most. I used to think that it sounded very Smash, but with every listen I feel less that way. But in a good way. Very Good way. 10/10

3. You're Gonna Go Far Kid - At first I liked the live version better. It's a good to the point Offspring song that I'm familiar with. But however, it's confusing me at the moment with whether the live or studio version is better. And I bet I'm confusing you too. I don't make sense, never mind me. 8/10

4. Hammerhead - Getting pretty sick of it. 7/10

5. A Lot Like Me - Absolutely terrific. Mind blowing. Sensational. All < A Lot Like Me. 10/10

6. Takes Me Nowhere - Didn't stand out to me at first. After a few listens, I got to like it a bit more. Definitely not the best but not bad. 8/10

7. Kristy, Are You Doing Ok? - I love it. To me, it's a stand out and probably in my top 5 for the album. I really enjoy this one, and I would love to see it get big here in Australia. I don't mind the mainstream label. I'm loving it. 10/10

8. Nothingtown - I saw a song like this coming. It's fun, not a masterpiece, but still enjoyable. 8/10.

9. Stuff is Messed Up - I lol'd. Then rocked. Then gave 8/10

10. Fix You - Why is no one into this! I like cried every time I listened to it!!!! It's so powerful and emotional to me! Urgh. I guess you love it or you hate it... 10/fucking10.

11. Let's Hear it for Rock Bottom - ...Average after Fix You. 7/10

12. Rise and Fall - Great outro track. Good to sing along to in the chorus and all around fun. 8/10

Nothing below a 7. I'd say best album yet. But maybe I'm just caught up in the moment....

*Reflects*

IamSam
06-09-2008, 06:54 PM
I have to say that in order of albums I would place it like this:

1. Ixnay on the Hombre
2. Americana
3. Rise and Fall, Rage and Grace
4. Smash
5. Conspiracy of One
6. Ignition
7. Splinter

S/T is just...well...S/T.

hshduppsnt
06-09-2008, 07:10 PM
3. You're Gonna Go Far Kid - At first I liked the live version better. It's a good to the point Offspring song that I'm familiar with. But however, it's confusing me at the moment with whether the live or studio version is better. And I bet I'm confusing you too. I don't make sense, never mind me. 8/10

4. Hammerhead - Getting pretty sick of it. 7/10


Yeah I can't figure that out about You're Gonna Go Far, Kid? But I love em both. I gotta say its probably my favorite song hahaha.

As for your hammerhead comment, while I can see it, I have yet to get sick of this song, which tells me that I probably will eventually list this as the best on the album (though there are so many freakin good ones)... but I haven't come even CLOSE to getting sick of it.

As for the other comments, seems like the latter half of the album is hit or miss with people, but since the'yre different it makes sense I guess... I'm gonna give it a bit more time before I rank things (maybe even after I get the actual cd and have the lyrics in front of me)



I have to say that in order of albums I would place it like this:

1. Ixnay on the Hombre
2. Americana
3. Rise and Fall, Rage and Grace
4. Smash
5. Conspiracy of One
6. Ignition
7. Splinter

S/T is just...well...S/T.

Right now I might even put this above American but otherwise I basically agree with what you've got there.

Funny thing is... I love splinter... just like this band too much I guess :)

Moose
06-09-2008, 07:38 PM
A Look at Rise and Fall, Rage and Grace:

the reason some of the more poppier songs are digestable on this album, rise and fall, rage and grace, is because they arent totally pop like shes got issues, walla walla, etc...

infact, like most of the album, these poppier songs, have interesting structures. If you look at this album, youll notice a lot of the songs have several melodies, even as many as 5 melodies in a song...it just isnt a simple ABA pop song structure...that is why this album is pretty strong overall and that is why the pop songs are still pretty interesting to listen to...they arent bad songs where they drag the album down into oblivian such as americana.

i think if the album's track listing was ordered a little bit differently, it would have worked better, but after at least 5 listens or so, you really start to appreciate the entire album and get over that nitpick...

im going to assume because of the order of the track listing, and because of weaker songs such as nothingtown and fix you, this album is most likely going to get ripped to shreds by the media and such. not to mention how yes, it is true, some of the songs clearly have influences or sounds of other certain bands...i even hear the influences of the police on rockbottom (influences are fine, ripping off isnt, and i think people reviewing this cd will basically claim that is what the offspring is doing, ripping off...i dont really think this is the case)

...it will probably fail commercially, and fail in the reviews (ixnay failed in rolling stone, and even smash got a weak review,) but the fact is, this is the most consistant, strongest, and different offspring album since ixnay on the hombre.

i dont mind the closer, rise and fall...i always like the more serious closers better, but the song musically ends on a note that tells you this album is complete.

id say out of 5 stars, this album deserves 3 and a half stars. but dont expect that from any reviewers, i personally think, as usual, the offspring will get ripped to shreds by these types of people.

So Rise and Fall, Rage and Grace gets 3 1/2 stars from this reviewer.

3 and a half means very good by the way...i can review it in real deal detail, but i wont, at least not now.



album rankings (off the top of my head - just my personal favorites):

ignition (best album)
smash (classic album)
ixnay (most creative album)
rise & fall, rage & grace (rivals ixnay in creativity, however, not as strong overall. still the strongest/most consistant album since ixnay)
self-titled (raw, but good)
co1 (consistantly solid, but nothing stands out in greatness...as far as rankings go, might as well tied with americana)
americana (unlike co1, has like 4 or 5 just great songs, but a run of terrible songs, such as walla walla, shes got issues, etc.)
splinter (not nearly as consitant as any of the other cds, still has great songs such as the noose and cant get my head around you, but has too many weak links like americana, just with the lesser end of great songs)


P.S. I wouldn't give any offspring album less than 2 1/2 stars...2 and a half is at least a solid effort, but pretty average i guess.

effreyj
06-09-2008, 08:38 PM
Half-Truism 10/10: Best song on the album
Trust in You 8/10: Pretty energetic song that kind of reminds me of Smash
You're Gonna go Far Kid 10/10: Very catchy and fun to listen to
Hammerhead 9/10: Best single since TKAA
A Lot Like Me 10/10: Best rock ballad since Gone Away
Takes Me Nowhere 7/10: Not bad but not special in any way
Kristy, are you Doin Ok? 7/10: I think this would make a good single
Nothingtown 6/10: Decent song but not that catchy or energetic
Stuff is Messed Up 10/10: This song is so much fun to listen to
Fix You 9/10: I kinda like these Offspring ballads
Let's Hear it for Rock Bottom 6/10: Pretty good but not the best chorus
Rise and Fall 5/10: Worst song...I really think it sounds like a crappy American Idiot

Overall 8/10: Really good album with diverse tracks. Way better than CO1 and Splinter

Overall I'd rank the albums:
1 - Smash
2 - Ixnay
3 - RAFRAG
4 - Americana
5 - Ignition
6 - S/T
7 - Splinter
8 - CO1

Autonomist
06-09-2008, 08:46 PM
I still haven't heard the complete album but I am SOOOOOO close to caving in. On top of Hammerhead I downloaded the three songs I'd already heard (Half-Truism, You're Gonna Go Far, Kid and Trust in You) plus another one to tide me over til it's release on Saturday (Stuff is Messed Up, a good call because that song reeks of fucking awesome). Partial review for now with a full one to come on the weekend.

Half-Truism;
Having been part of the Sydney Soundwave Festival crowd back in February I was one of the first ever people to hear this song, and because of that I did sincerely want to like it. I thought the live bootlegged version was bland, but the 30 second preview gave me a bit of hope. I'm still not entirely decided on it - as has previously been mentioned it does seem like an incredible throwback to popular 2005 emo bands like My Chemical Romance (a.k.a. shit I can't stand) and the first ten seconds is a horrible red herring. What I do like about the song is that it is undeniably catchy, particularly the bit that rings out the first part of verse 1, right after the "slings and arrows" lyric. Dexter's voice is as strong as it's ever been and the backing vocals do the song justice. For now I'm giving it 6/10, though that'll probably have changed by Saturday.

Trust in You;
Happy to say I can barely fault this at all. From what I can make out of the lyrics I'm not all sold on them but everything else is so rockin' I couldn't care less. An excellent throwback to Smash with great vocals, great guitar (a great fucking breakdown included), great hooks and great harmonies. Possibly my favourite track so far, only time will tell. 9/10.

You're Gonna Go Far, Kid;
Initially this one reminded me of that horrible Good Charlotte song that was really popular about this time last year. I've passed that now though and am really enjoying this as well. Probably among some of the catchiest stuff they've ever done. The chorus works really well (Dance fucker dance / man I never had a chance). Once again, great vocals from Dexter. I'm noticing a pattern here. 8/10.

Hammerhead;
I loved this sooooooooooo much when it came out last month, then I got a bit sick of it from overplay. After getting drunk on the weekend and putting it on repeat while playing Counter-Strike I love it again. This one I can't fault at all, it really seems like they've accomplished everything they set out to do here. Awesome everything, backing vocals and breakdown in particular. Untouchable and as close to perfect as it gets. 10/10.

Stuff is Messed Up;
From what I've gathered this is the only light-hearted, Pretty Fly-esque song on the whole album, which is a shame because though sometimes those turn out horrible (Original Prankster, Hit That, The Worst Hangover Ever) they can also be really good when the band does it right (Why Don't You Get a Job?, Spare Me the Details). Initially I thought I'd hate this from the title alone and the 30 second preview did little to soothe my worries. So it was an incrediblely welcome surprise when I realised that this song is nothing short of killer. It's not perfect, the chorus gets pretty annoying/repetitive, but the bits that work work so well. 7/10.

To be honest I'm a bit worried about what I'll think of the rest of the album. I'm really not sold on the idea of The Offspring doing acoustic/piano ballads, and I'm wondering whether or not I should give Kristy a listen now so that I've got some idea what to expect when I pick it up. I think the first review in the official reviews thread really hit the nail on the head as far as what I'm expecting. What happens next we'll see.

Little_Miss_1565
06-09-2008, 09:08 PM
Half-Truism;
Having been part of the Sydney Soundwave Festival crowd back in February I was one of the first ever people to hear this song, and because of that I did sincerely want to like it. I thought the live bootlegged version was bland, but the 30 second preview gave me a bit of hope. I'm still not entirely decided on it - as has previously been mentioned it does seem like an incredible throwback to popular 2005 emo bands like My Chemical Romance (a.k.a. shit I can't stand) and the first ten seconds is a horrible red herring. What I do like about the song is that it is undeniably catchy, particularly the bit that rings out the first part of verse 1, right after the "slings and arrows" lyric. Dexter's voice is as strong as it's ever been and the backing vocals do the song justice. For now I'm giving it 6/10, though that'll probably have changed by Saturday.

Not to make the wait harder for you or anything, but the studio version of "Half Truism" fucking annihilates the live one.

Autonomist
06-09-2008, 09:11 PM
Yeah I know, I was actually basing my opinion off of it.

Moose
06-09-2008, 09:19 PM
Not to make the wait harder for you or anything, but the studio version of "Half Truism" fucking annihilates the live one.

Is it the heat wave talking or does "Takes Me Nowhere" sound kinda Bad Religiony? Maybe it's just the typeface in the logo talking to me. ;) The harmonies are fucking sweet as hell all over the place. I don't want to write a whole review just yet because I'm still processing but I might sometime soon.

I first thought of pennywise when I heard the preview of Take Me Nowhere, and I'd say it kind of feels that way still...And I agree, about Half-Truism, the studio version is much better than the live version.

However, I feel like the live version is better in You're Gonna Go Far Kid, than the studio version, but it's still a very good song.

Gaberelli
06-09-2008, 10:00 PM
Some people seemed to be scared that the offspring like to express their feelings with slow songs. Not all of life is full of Rage, there is also a lot of grace. Hence the title of the album. It is great to see the offspring growing as a band. They are not going to make another ignition or smash, they have outgrown their old music and they would not ever make the same sound in 2 albums. I for one am glad that they have such variety, it makes them so much more interesting to listin to.

Budzy
06-09-2008, 11:26 PM
HOLY SHIT NIGGERS
IM AM A FUCKHEAD- I SHOULD NEVER HAVE DOUBTED THE OFFSPRING!
the songs are amazing. i love them all.
half truism almost made me cry. (not rly) but it is a work of art
takes me nowhere took my by surspise
stuffis messed up is amzing.
but
trust in you takes the cake.
im more into fast heavy songs.
nothintown is nice aswlel.
alot like me is a song u sorta feel. dunno how u describe.

GJ NOODLES ON THE SOLO IN NOTHINGTOWN!
dexters vocals are better than ever. (it that can be topped)


Too bad the hammerhead vid sux. hahahaha

Llamas
06-10-2008, 12:31 AM
Some people seemed to be scared that the offspring like to express their feelings with slow songs. Not all of life is full of Rage, there is also a lot of grace. Hence the title of the album. It is great to see the offspring growing as a band. They are not going to make another ignition or smash, they have outgrown their old music and they would not ever make the same sound in 2 albums. I for one am glad that they have such variety, it makes them so much more interesting to listin to.

I agree so much. I may not like every song on this album immediately, but when I first listened to Ixnay, I didn't like "Me and My Old Lady", "Way Down the Line", or "Leave it Behind". These songs grew on me, and Ixnay is my favorite album. Hell, the only album the band has where I don't strongly dislike a single song is Ignition, and I still am not huge on We are One or Hypodermic. So I was expecting to dislike a few songs. That doesn't stop me from being so fucking proud of this band for this album. It's incredible. It kicks the snot out of the last two albums, and right now, I wanna rate it the 2nd best Offspring album.

If they made another Ignition or Smash, I probably wouldn't be a fan anymore... I'm very glad they've matured.

Irhia
06-10-2008, 01:15 AM
Nobody who is more than 20 years old and which has a minimum of musical knowledge, can't like this album. The most part of this board have to be 15 years old and have discovered offspring with pretty fly.
Apart 3 song, this album has nothing in the trousers.

It's just my opinion. (Sorry if my english is bad)

Rooster
06-10-2008, 02:19 AM
Nice review Raptor88.


Glad you like it :D

Cejus
06-10-2008, 02:25 AM
I'll write my review later today. Just wanted to point out that:


I almost cried today listening to "Kristy are you doing okay". Is it normal? Am I becoming gay?
I guess I'm an exception to what Irhia said. I'm 23 and I love this album. And I love it because I'm 23, and I see how they've experimented with new sounds, and have made songs that are anything but simple. Each song has a complex structure, with changes of rythm and different melodies. In that sense, I think it's more mature than Smash, for instance.

Drums beating in my Heart
06-10-2008, 04:40 AM
I'll write maybe write a review later(after my exams)

I like this album, yes it has slower songs but, what's wrong with that? And if you really don't like it, DO NOT LISTEN AND STOP COMPLAINING, no one says you have to listen, just keep listening to their previous albums.
My favourite song on this album is You're Gonna Go Far, Kid
(and I like splinter :confused: It seems that the most of you don't like that album...)

Alleviate
06-10-2008, 04:41 AM
I'm gonna just get it out of the way and say this album has gotten me back into The Offspring. I hated splinter from the first time I heard it so I know it's got nothing to do with me loving it just cos it's new, but this album really is that good. I love all the stuff they've tried although I have to admit I was a bit worried after hearing Hammerhead cos I didn't think much of it, but some of the album tracks on here like "Kristy are you doing Ok", "Nothingtown" and even songs which will be released as singles like "Half Truism" are better than anything they've done since Americana.

In short I love it and they completely blew away my expectations.

Rooster
06-10-2008, 04:53 AM
And if you really don't like it, DO NOT LISTEN AND STOP COMPLAINING, no one says you have to listen, just keep listening to their previous albums.



The words of wisdom :)

SiLeNtWaLkEr
06-10-2008, 05:34 AM
I love the album, and most i love to see that my(our) band is back rocking!!! :)

cooldevi
06-10-2008, 06:04 AM
this is a big letdown... they've put out hammerhead as a great single, the best first single ever from an offspring album, and then the rest of the album disappoints. i'd prefer the usual, bad single good album. this is the worst offspring album ever.

offspringer24
06-10-2008, 06:08 AM
Nobody who is more than 20 years old and which has a minimum of musical knowledge, can't like this album. The most part of this board have to be 15 years old and have discovered offspring with pretty fly.
Apart 3 song, this album has nothing in the trousers.

It's just my opinion. (Sorry if my english is bad)

HAHAHAHAHA...... TWAT, im 27 and this album is very mature for the offspring! infact ive kinda grown up with them and apart from the odd 'first single' they have matured with every album!

half-truism is classic offspring with a new edge
trust in you is simply classic offspring
you're gonna go far kid is just awesome and im sure will be abig hit
hammerhead - i like this song but i think maybe a little too political and overated for me (not a song i would have picked for first single)
a lot like me is simply fucking grad A genius and they should receive every songwriters award under the sun for it.

can't be bothered to review all but it is a very very good album

WORLD CLASS infact

album of the year 2008! :)

Lupin
06-10-2008, 06:36 AM
Well it seems as this album has got some folk all heated!!

Being a band that dominated my early 'alternative' musical taste for the best part of 10 years, it's safe to say i was kinda looking forward to this album. Especially after hearing the previews clips etc etc, listening to it for the first ten or so times was pretty sweet.
From Hammerhead to Takes Me Nowhere is probabily the strongest first 20 minutes to an album i've heard in years. But aside from Stuffs Messed Up i'm not a fan of the second six. Its like they made 6 Offspring songs, a few slow songs and then did some experimentation. Which is always a good thing for a band to do, and they will probabily aquire stacks of new fans from the likes of "Kristy.." & "Fix You".
I on the otherhand, will sit back in the sun with a nice cold beer in one hand, spliff in the other and hum along to You're Gonna Go Far Kid.
________
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offspringer24
06-10-2008, 06:43 AM
Well it seems as this album has got some folk all heated!!


I on the otherhand, will sit back in the sun with a nice cold beer in one hand, spliff in the other and hum along to You're Gonna Go Far Kid.

lmao, thats the right thing to do.... good man! :)

Drums beating in my Heart
06-10-2008, 07:10 AM
Nobody who is more than 20 years old and which has a minimum of musical knowledge, can't like this album. The most part of this board have to be 15 years old and have discovered offspring with pretty fly.


Who sais that you have more knowledge of music than people who are 15 years old? Yes I am 15 and... No I didn't discover the offspring with pretty fly!!!

And why are they people registring to the forum, just to say that they don't like the album??? Go to your mammy and lissen to Tokio Hotel on your fake I-pod!!!


The words of wisdom
thnx man, that for a 15 years old who doesn't know anything of music...:p;)

eskova
06-10-2008, 07:19 AM
Album without INTRO !!:eek::D

indy900
06-10-2008, 07:57 AM
[QUOTEI on the otherhand, will sit back in the sun with a nice cold beer in one hand, spliff in the other and hum along to You're Gonna Go Far Kid.[/QUOTE]

A MEN to that.

IamSam
06-10-2008, 08:45 AM
1. Trust In You (10)
2. Half-Truism (10)
3. You're Gonna Go Far Kid (10)
4. Stuff Is Messed Up (10)
5. A Lot Like Me (9)
6. Hammerhead (9)
7. Takes Me Nowhere (9)
8. Kristy Are You Doing Ok? (8)
9. Let's Hear it For Rock Bottom (8)
10. Nothingtown (7.5)
11. Fix You (7)
12. Rise and Fall (6.5)


104/120 B+

To me this album shows great evolution to their musical style. It also seems, as pointed out by JohnnyNem, that the band spent the time to find out what people didn't like about Splinter (shortness and lack of cohesion) and fixed it. Rise and Fall, Rage and Grace is just that: A cohesive rock album that shows the bands ability to try different things with great results. The album is not IgnitionII, nor is it SmashII. However, this album reminds me most of Ixnay: An underrated entry to the discography fold that expresses the bands want to do more than the norm. Fans get the same sardonic/sarcastic lyrics and commentary on society that they have been getting for the past dozen plus years. They also get a couple songs that show the emotion behind the band, be it through reliving past experiences (Kristy) or by verbalizing songs that harken back to other albums (Fix You). The album also shows a huge vocal range by Dexter (A Lot Like Me, Hammerhead) and emphasizes the fact that his voice is back to 100% during the first track (Half-Truism).

While it isn't quite underground, nor is it complete tru punx, the album is a master work 4-5 years in the making, and it shows.

DavidHolland
06-10-2008, 08:58 AM
I don't even know where to start, because most of this album isn't really Offspring.

Great job, Bob Rock. You know, when you hire the guy that turned Metallica from thrash metal to grunge and then to nü metal (because those were the popular styles at the time), you want something. Of course, he did a great job. Now Offspring sound like the power-pop boy bands of these days. They'll get more popular than ever. They'll obviously finally leave their roots and their old fans, but they'll get an amazing number of new fans for the cause.

"Rise and Fall, Rage and Grace" is mainly influenced by bands like My Chemical Romance, on the road started by Green Day some years ago. It's Offspring's attempt at releasing their "American Idiot". However, while Green Day compensated the commercial turn with better song writing skills, Offspring keep on the 3-4 minutes typical song formula.

While their last 2 records kept part of the rock feeling in some of the songs, outside of Hammerhead and some small fragments from the rest of the album, this new record represents the final step further on the way. No more doubts: power-pop and "independent"-pop material is what you'll find if you buy this record.

Most songs are unnoticeable, but 2 of them are the best examples of the new direction.

"Kirsty, Are You Doing Ok?" sounds like a song Hanson wrote when they were 8 or something. I don't care if it's about a girl with issues or whatever it is about. The song is still terrible.

"Fix You" has parts that sound similar to "Wake Me Up When September Ends", but it's even more pop. And yeah, they wish it was half as good as that song.

Rating: 7/10 in today's music business' perspective
2.5/10 in punk's perspective

P.S. For those who don't have it, don't waste your money with this and go buy last year's Bad Religion record "New Maps of Hell" if you want a punk record. If you want an Offspring record, no matter if it's punk, pop, dance or whatever, then stick to "Rise and Fall, Rage and Grace".

Congrats, Offspring has now officially surpassed Green Day's sellout level by far. I remember a lot of people complaining about Splinter. Can't wait to hear what they think about this now :D

DavidHolland
06-10-2008, 09:01 AM
Nobody who is more than 20 years old and which has a minimum of musical knowledge, can't like this album. The most part of this board have to be 15 years old and have discovered offspring with pretty fly.
Apart 3 song, this album has nothing in the trousers.

It's just my opinion. (Sorry if my english is bad)

Exactly my feelings.

F@ BANKZ
06-10-2008, 09:12 AM
I discovered The Offspring from Pretty Fly:(

But it's ok because I'm supreme 16

Drums beating in my Heart
06-10-2008, 09:14 AM
I want the band to speek about this album...

IamSam
06-10-2008, 09:20 AM
Whine, whine, complain, and whine.



The Offspring haven't been punk since Ignition. Smash was popular (which HINT means it was pop), Ixnay was still popular with many, Americana was even more popular, CO1 continued down the Alternative pathway, and Splinter showed the bands willingness to experiment and branch out, all though somewhat poorly in instances. Your argument for the band 'selling out' is flawed because the band hasn't been a 'punk rawk band' for the better part of a decade.

This album shows the bands ability to 'grow up' past power chords and standardized punk beats. It shows that the band wants to move on and try out new things, and has done a pretty fine job. Nowhere is there whining and crying in the songs on this album. The songs have deep meaning and some songs have more than one meaning. They have not gone 'emo.' Hell, you'd probably have said at the release of Gone Away that the band had gotten soft. Dirty Magic is also a great song that you'd probably say is emo.

What is more punk than breaking through the status quo and not conforming to the guidelines laid out for punk music?

Ristifer
06-10-2008, 09:25 AM
I don't even know where to start, because most of this album isn't really Offspring.

Great job, Bob Rock. You know, when you hire the guy that turned Metallica from thrash metal to grunge and then to nü metal (because those were the popular styles at the time), you want something. Of course, he did a great job. Now Offspring sound like the power-pop boy bands of these days. They'll get more popular than ever. They'll obviously finally leave their roots and their old fans, but they'll get an amazing number of new fans for the cause.

"Rise and Fall, Rage and Grace" is mainly influenced by bands like My Chemical Romance, on the road started by Green Day some years ago. It's Offspring's attempt at releasing their "American Idiot". However, while Green Day compensated the commercial turn with better song writing skills, Offspring keep on the 3-4 minutes typical song formula.

While their last 2 records kept part of the rock feeling in some of the songs, outside of Hammerhead and some small fragments from the rest of the album, this new record represents the final step further on the way. No more doubts: power-pop and "independent"-pop material is what you'll find if you buy this record.

Most songs are unnoticeable, but 2 of them are the best examples of the new direction.

"Kirsty, Are You Doing Ok?" sounds like a song Hanson wrote when they were 8 or something. I don't care if it's about a girl with issues or whatever it is about. The song is still terrible.

"Fix You" has parts that sound similar to "Wake Me Up When September Ends", but it's even more pop. And yeah, they wish it was half as good as that song.

Rating: 7/10 in today's music business' perspective
2.5/10 in punk's perspective

P.S. For those who don't have it, don't waste your money with this and go buy last year's Bad Religion record "New Maps of Hell" if you want a punk record. If you want an Offspring record, no matter if it's punk, pop, dance or whatever, then stick to "Rise and Fall, Rage and Grace".

Congrats, Offspring has now officially surpassed Green Day's sellout level by far. I remember a lot of people complaining about Splinter. Can't wait to hear what they think about this now :D
Again, opinions are opinions, but this post just plain stinks.

Firstly, Bob Rock didn't turn Metallica into anything. Why can't people understand that Metallica went the way they did, and they paid for this later on because of the friction within the band that came head-on?

I don't care if you think most of the songs are unnoticeable, that's fine. However, if you have 2 songs that show a different direction, and you call that selling out, then that's unacceptable.

I don't even understand this whole "Green Day sold out first" attitude either. American Idiot is a fantastic album (minus Wake Me Up When September Ends). Some of you are just brainwashed by what is in the mainstream, and if something sounds similar, then it must be a sellout. God forbid someone may write something that they want to write.

Anyways, I've heard Bad Religion's new album is passable, and from the majority of people I've talked to about it, they've claimed that it all just sounded the same. I, for one, am glad that The Offspring can reach in and pull something different out without sounding like retards. To me, CO1 was when they truly sounded too poppy, and they retreated from that sound pretty fast.

Drums beating in my Heart
06-10-2008, 09:27 AM
What is more punk than breaking through the status quo and not conforming to the guidelines laid out for punk music?

I like that view...

RonWelty
06-10-2008, 09:30 AM
News maps from hell is a great record, but they sound all like one... RAFRAG has a mix of styles, themes and moods.

DavidHolland
06-10-2008, 09:56 AM
What is more punk than breaking through the status quo and not conforming to the guidelines laid out for punk music?

RLMFAO

You cannot be serious. Breaking the punk guidelines to enter power pop guidelines isn't exactly punk either.

There isn't that much of a wide musical range on this record, you're all overrating that. Just because they change from the distortion to the clean channel on some tunes, it doesn't mean it's a different music. It's all almost the same really, they really need to grow as songwriters. They seem to only know how to write short punk /short pop typical songs.

About New Maps of Hell, it surely has a wider musical range than this record. I'm not going to explain it in detail unless necessary, but including pop, classic punk, melodic hardcore, modern punk, some rock and roll and some metal influences sounds quite wide for me. Of course you need to know what is all that about, but after using this


What is more punk than breaking through the status quo and not conforming to the guidelines laid out for punk music?

to try to justify Offspring I doubt most of you are really fond of them.

IamSam
06-10-2008, 10:15 AM
RLMFAO

You cannot be serious. Breaking the punk guidelines to enter power pop guidelines isn't exactly punk either.

There isn't that much of a wide musical range on this record, you're all overrating that. Just because they change from the distortion to the clean channel on some tunes, it doesn't mean it's a different music. It's all almost the same really, they really need to grow as songwriters. They seem to only know how to write short punk /short pop typical songs.

About New Maps of Hell, it surely has a wider musical range than this record. I'm not going to explain it in detail unless necessary, but including pop, classic punk, melodic hardcore, modern punk, some rock and roll and some metal influences sounds quite wide for me. Of course you need to know what is all that about, but after using this



to try to justify Offspring I doubt most of you are really fond of them.

So you take that and ignore the rest of my argument? Nice way to ignore everything that demolished your argument.

Simply this: You can't call The Offspring plain "punk," nor can you say they "sold out." They've been slowly tweaking and changing their style for ten years now. They've listened to the majority of fans suggestions and tweaked things to what the fans suggested and what the band wanted to try. Dexter once said that the band will do what they feel like doing and not what people push onto them. Staying inside the strict guidlelines of punk is a weight that brings down their creativity. So what if they do an acousitic song? Do you even know what Kristy is about or the feelings surrounding it? It isn't a crying/sobbing song about some lover. It's a song about remembering a horrible deed that happened in the past and reminding Kristy not to let it consume her, that she should move on.

I find it sad that so many people cannot accept that people change, bands are influenced by more than power chords, and that bands (the good ones) evolve and take suggestions from their fans.

Indii
06-10-2008, 11:25 AM
About New Maps of Hell, it surely has a wider musical range than this record. I'm not going to explain it in detail unless necessary, but including pop, classic punk, melodic hardcore, modern punk, some rock and roll and some metal influences sounds quite wide for me.


If you find that many styles / genres on the last Bad Religion (which I really like), you can find just as many on RAFRAG, including pop, acoustic, rock and roll, alternative rock, pop punk, and some electronica influences. Hell, I don't even know where the difference between most of those genres is. There is no absolute definition for music genres. And what does a genre say about the quality of the music? Is Pink Floyd's "The Dark Side Of The Moon" bad because it is not fast enough and doesn't have enough guitars to be a punk rock album? :confused:

cool_dexter
06-10-2008, 11:28 AM
This is top of the punk ( album including in it every substyle , magic album)

SaiKYoU
06-10-2008, 12:14 PM
i made a review for RAFRAG in spanish, so i'll translate...

...

#1 - HALF-TRUISM (4 **** stars)

mora than expected after live version... sounds better after a couple of listenings...

#2 - TRUST IN YOU (5 ***** stars)

FUCK! world needed a song like this!!

#3 - YOU'RE GONNA GO FAR, KID (5 ***** stars)

it's some kind of raw offspring sound... band neededa song like this...

#4 - HAMMERHEAD (5 ***** stars)

holy FUCK! i was touching myself when listening...

#5 - A LOT LIKE ME (3 *** stars)

after the strong beggining of the album this is a goin-down on the intensity... slow track but not a Gone Away by far...

#6 - TAKES ME NOWHERE (4 **** stars)

i like Greg K in this song... could be a superhit if treated properly... i mean, single...

#7 - KRISTY, ARE YOU OKAY? (2 ** stars)

too soft for this album... no intensity, and seriously, for Mike Ness'
sake, NO SINGLE PLEASE!!

#8 - NOTHINGTOWN (2 ** stars)

sound like mid 1990s, but ain't Offspring sound... sub-par...

#9 - STUFF IS MESSED UP (4 **** stars)

potential bomb for live shows... mayority, fan-base and not fan-base would enjoy this song...

#10 - FIX YOU (3 *** stars)

like remaking "Denial Revisted" into a bettr song... the kind of ballad that says "Dexter is over 40 year old"...

#11 - LET'S HEAR IT FOR ROCK BOTTOM (3 *** stars)

nothing special... sound like "The Police"...

#12 - RISE AND FALL (4 *** stars)

not bad, sound like late 1990s, and thats OK for me...

#BONUS - O.C. LIFE (5 *** stars)

why i always like Bonus Tracks?? it happened the same with last Pennywise album...

...

so after 5 years, it has enough intensity, and enough good songs to be considrered a succesful album...

it also has some melodic songs, maybe midcarders, but ina Bad Religion way, so it's okay for me...

i'm giving 4 **** starts to the album!!

Zebulon
06-10-2008, 12:29 PM
IAMSam, Pop does NOT mean "popular". Pop is a style of music. It just so happens that pop is on the radio most often. If Hammerhead went huge it would NOT be pop.

HeadAroundU
06-10-2008, 12:45 PM
DavidHolland, lol, Bad religion has a wider musical range!? HAHAHAHAHA!

Stop it, it's embarrasing.

Xyrin
06-10-2008, 01:12 PM
1. Half-Truism - 10/10 - The best starting song I've ever heard before... It's so catchy and... Hmm, only word I can really think of is "Epic". It's definitely a song they should start off with at a concert.

2. Trust In You - 10/10 - Amazing guitar. Seems they wanted to hold at least a part of their old albums into this one. Bass and Guitar Solos = Excellent.

3. You're Gonna Go Far, Kid - 10/10 - Mosh Pit, anyone? This is going to be one of those crazy hits where everyone knows it, and everyone just wants to, well, Dance fucker, dance.

4. Hammerhead - 10/10 - Doesn't need an introduction. :P

5. A Lot Like Me - 10/10 - From a mellow song into a semi-heavy song, I love the transition. I love the lyrics, and I love the style of the song.

6. Takes Me Nowhere - 8/10 - Good song, just not one of those "hits". One of songs where I won't skip the song, trying to find a better.

7. Kristy, Are You Doing Okay? - 9/10 - I love this song, just not as much as the others. I love Offspring's soft songs.

8. Nothingtown - 7/10 - I'd like it if someone could tell me the exact meaning behind this song. It's still catchy and I can bounce to it and such, just that there are much better bouncy songs on the CD.

9. Stuff Is Messed Up - 12/10 - It's just that good. "La la la la la!"

10. Fix You - 9/10 - Great song, if you actually put it on repeat and stop listening to it right after Stuff Is Messed Up.

11. Let's Hear It For Rock Bottom - 8/10 - A lot better than what I thought it was going to be, from the previews. I'm glad, it's actually quite a good song.

12. Rise and Fall - -1/10!! - THIS IZ GRN DAY!! FAIL!


No, that's stupid as shit, people need to learn to write a review.

12. Rise and Fall - 8/10 - Getting passed the beginning that has a RESEMBLANCE of American Idiot, this is a good song overall.

This Album gets a 9.25/10 from me.


EVERY CD that has came from the Offspring has always sounded unique from the previous CD, and this one holds the same respect. That's why I love this Band, originality and being unique with their music.

Take out Dexters voice and you wouldn't even know it was The Offspring, eh?

TeddyBear_Army
06-10-2008, 01:19 PM
DavidHolland, lol, Bad religion has a wider musical range!? HAHAHAHAHA!

Stop it, it's embarrasing.

Exactly. This bitch is acting like he is tru punx, but he´s only embarassing himself. People who aren´t open to other music styles make me sick as fuck. It´s like...if I love the offspring I ain´t allowed to love queen too, just cause they have very different styles. Bunch of narrowminded fucktards.

jacknife737
06-10-2008, 01:20 PM
Not everyone has to like the album, but stop acting like the Offspring suddenly gained a "pop" influence on this record. This is a band that has released such "hardcore-street-punk" anthems as Pretty Fly, WDYGAJ, Original Prankster, and Hit That as lead singles. The Offspring, ever since Ignition have a huge pop influence on their music. A lot of these complaints about commercialization, ect sound awfully like the slurs being thrown against the band when they released Ixnay after Smash.

P.S. Oh, and Green Day didn't invent pop-punk.


DavidHolland, lol, Bad religion has a wider musical range!? HAHAHAHAHA!

Yeah, I love Bad Religion, but I was laughing at that for a good five minutes or so.

IamSam
06-10-2008, 01:26 PM
IAMSam, Pop does NOT mean "popular". Pop is a style of music. It just so happens that pop is on the radio most often. If Hammerhead went huge it would NOT be pop.

Yes. Yes it does. "Pop" is short for "popular."

grimbl
06-10-2008, 01:36 PM
O.C. life - 5/10
It's okay, Its a better end then rise and fall was.

TeddyBear_Army
06-10-2008, 01:52 PM
Alright, I´ll write a review too, why not.

1. Half-Truism - 9.5/10 - I love the intro, it´s kinda poetic. I also love the verses and I can definetly see the chorus sung anthem-like live. Very powerful song.

2. Trust In You - 9/10 - Very "Smash"-like. Gotta love its energy! And the solo is fucking great!

3. You're Gonna Go Far, Kid - 10/10 - Holy shit, this one is near perfect! Everything from the drum beats, the solo and our new meme, Dance Fucker Dance, reeks of greatness!!!

4. Hammerhead - 10/10 - "Friggin´ freight train" indeed!

5. A Lot Like Me - 10/10 - Fuck, this is the pinnacle of awesomeness! This one reminds me Amazed, and that´s beautiful! I actually think this one´s BETTER than Amazed. Love the lyrics, love the piano, love the vocals. This has got to be a single!

6. Takes Me Nowhere - 9.5/10 - Damn...everytime I hear this song I remember Crazy Taxi... I mean, this song would be perfect for it! It´s fast paced, has lots of energy and a catchy as hell chorus! Not to mention its solo, it makes me want to mosh against the wall! Oh yeah...what are you waiting for Sega? I DEMAND a new Crazy Taxi with Wi-Fi Leaderboards and Wii -Wheel enabled!

7. Kristy, Are You Doing Okay? - 9.5/10 - I love soft songs, so yeah, this one has won me over. Its lyrics are excellent, one of the best Dex has ever wrote. Its solo may be a bit cheesy, but fuck I love that.

8. Nothingtown - 9/10 - Mix Want You Bad with The Clash and you get this song. I love the lyrics and the solos are badass! FINALLY a great bass solo!

9. Stuff Is Messed Up - 10/10 - Bad Habit + Americana + a pinch of AC/DC equals this awesome song. I love when Dexter turns into a machine gun and spits two thousand words in 10 seconds! You gotta love the way the lyrics deal with the media and its complications.

10. Fix You - 10/10 - This one makes me feel butterflies in my stomach! It´s so beautiful... whenever Dexter sings it´s like a storm of emotions pouring in! This was my most anticipated song since I heard the previews and it actually turned out better than I thought. One of the best songs EVER in my humble opinion!

11. Let's Hear It For Rock Bottom - 9/10 - I can definetly hear The Police´s influence here. Very nice ska-like verses and really catchy chorus! I also love its breakdown.

12. Rise and Fall - 9.5/10 - It´s intro kinda sounds like American Idiot, yeah, but it has a lot of energy, and it does not suck like that shitty song. I´m in love with the chorus and the solo! I keep singing "And I don´t wanna say "I told you so", but I told you so, and now you´ve lost control!" non-stop since I first heard it! Nice way to finish the album.

Overall - 10/10 - Best Offspring album since Ixnay, and it actually ties with it in my opinion. It´s a comeback album for sure, and I hope it becomes really huge... cause it already is huge with me!

Little_Miss_1565
06-10-2008, 02:04 PM
Yes. Yes it does. "Pop" is short for "popular."

I'm sorry, you're wrong. Pop is a style, derived from popular sure, but it does not *mean* popular.

grimbl
06-10-2008, 02:14 PM
Okay I have ask this

Do you people seriously have your heads up your asses?

I mean come on. The majority of you giving this album a perfect or near perfect rating. There are only a handful of albums ever released that are a 10/10, and the Offspring haven't released any of them. They've released some good albums, none of them a 10/10 though. This is in no way their best work, and is far from 10/10.

Little_Miss_1565
06-10-2008, 02:16 PM
They're excited, leave it alone. I definitely give the first half of the album a 10/10. I have to wonder though if you have your head up yours for insisting on shitting on everyone's parade.

jacknife737
06-10-2008, 02:18 PM
Okay I have ask this

Do you people seriously have your heads up your asses?

I mean come on. The majority of you giving this album a perfect or near perfect rating. There are only a handful of albums ever released that are a 10/10, and the Offspring haven't released any of them. They've released some good albums, none of them a 10/10 though. This is in no way their best work, and is far from 10/10.

Musical opinion is subjective, one person's notion of a perfect song/album will be different from another’s. Stop being a douche.

The Search Button
06-10-2008, 02:18 PM
Okay I have ask this

Do you people seriously have your heads up your asses?

I mean come on. The majority of you giving this album a perfect or near perfect rating. There are only a handful of albums ever released that are a 10/10, and the Offspring haven't released any of them. They've released some good albums, none of them a 10/10 though. This is in no way their best work, and is far from 10/10.

In addiction to what Little Miss said I must add that this is not a neutral forum so don't expect unbiased opinions in here.

This is an official fan forum, so yes we will appreciate pretty much everything this band does.

TeddyBear_Army
06-10-2008, 02:21 PM
Okay I have ask this

Do you people seriously have your heads up your asses?

I mean come on. The majority of you giving this album a perfect or near perfect rating. There are only a handful of albums ever released that are a 10/10, and the Offspring haven't released any of them. They've released some good albums, none of them a 10/10 though. This is in no way their best work, and is far from 10/10.

You sir are an asshole!

Llamas
06-10-2008, 02:27 PM
Nobody who is more than 20 years old and which has a minimum of musical knowledge, can't like this album. The most part of this board have to be 15 years old and have discovered offspring with pretty fly.
Apart 3 song, this album has nothing in the trousers.

It's just my opinion. (Sorry if my english is bad)

I'm 24, and I think this is one of their best albums ever. Also, if someone's 15, that means they were 5 when Pretty Fly came out. I doubt there are a lot of 15 year olds who heard of them from that song.

I wish people would stop bitching. :(

grimbl
06-10-2008, 02:29 PM
You sir are an asshole!

no, I'm just calling it the way I see it. Further more the fact that the majority of you are such huge "fans" blinds you from giving a truly unbiased review.

mrXniick
06-10-2008, 02:44 PM
no, I'm just calling it the way I see it. Further more the fact that the majority of you are such huge "fans" blinds you from giving a truly unbiased review.

Fans of the Offspring meeting on the OFFICIAL fan forum of the band. What a fucking crime.

Go jump off a bridge.

Jaded skies
06-10-2008, 02:45 PM
no, I'm just calling it the way I see it. Further more the fact that the majority of you are such huge "fans" blinds you from giving a truly unbiased review.

And how can you say who is giving a biased review or not? Maybe those 10/10s were actually they're favorite songs ever. Wouldnt you put 10/10?

Now what i really want to know is seriously, who gives a fuck if someone gives a biased review? Leave em' alone and let them like what they want to like. You people make opinions matter too much. If you like it, great. And if you seriously have nothing else to do but sit here and argue on a fucking forum, you need to get a job.

grimbl
06-10-2008, 02:54 PM
Fans of the Offspring meeting on the OFFICIAL fan forum of the band. What a fucking crime.

Go jump off a bridge.

:rolleyes:


And how can you say who is giving a biased review or not? Maybe those 10/10s were actually they're favorite songs ever. Wouldnt you put 10/10?

:rolleyes:

Cock Joke
06-10-2008, 02:54 PM
The complaints about this album depress me. :(

mrXniick
06-10-2008, 03:04 PM
:rolleyes:



:rolleyes:

You are the definition of a forum troll.

1. We are not professional reviewers, we are not getting paid to do this... so who gives a shit if our reviews are overly glowing?

2. This is a FAN forum for the offspring... people here are going to like the album much more than your typical person. Did anyone here claim that these reviews were unbiased?? This is a fan forum OF COURSE our reviews are going to be biased.

3. What makes your opinion anymore valid than others on this forum? You do not think an album can be a 10/10 .. but others do. No one is right or wrong.. it is opinion.

4. Replying with snide remarks and smiley faced shows that you are too fucking dumb to type out a logical, coherent response. Stop your trolling and leave.

Little_Miss_1565
06-10-2008, 03:08 PM
no, I'm just calling it the way I see it. Further more the fact that the majority of you are such huge "fans" blinds you from giving a truly unbiased review.

Wow. The fact that you would come to the band's own web forum expecting unbiased accounts of the record...are you feeling okay?


The complaints about this album depress me. :(

Me too :(

Jack-UK
06-10-2008, 03:27 PM
They're excited, leave it alone. I definitely give the first half of the album a 10/10. I have to wonder though if you have your head up yours for insisting on shitting on everyone's parade.
Hahahaha! <3

Cock Joke
06-10-2008, 03:35 PM
I'm gonna go over O.C. Life. It's your typical Offspring style cover. Think Autonomy, 100 Punks, 52 Girls, etc. I enjoy the song a lot. I was worried it was gonna be that God awful theme song to "The O.C." "CALIFORNIAAAAAAA!!!" Thank God it wasn't. ;)

Fast, punk, classic Offspring! If you don't live in Japan download it here. (http://www.savefile.com/files/1600665) It might be a lot easier if you get the new Firefox browser. You can get that here. (http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/all-rc.html) With that you can choose which program you wanna play it on!

Big thanks to Motacos for the upload and the song gets an 8.5/10!

grimbl
06-10-2008, 03:56 PM
You are the definition of a forum troll.

1. We are not professional reviewers, we are not getting paid to do this... so who gives a shit if our reviews are overly glowing?

2. This is a FAN forum for the offspring... people here are going to like the album much more than your typical person. Did anyone here claim that these reviews were unbiased?? This is a fan forum OF COURSE our reviews are going to be biased.

3. What makes your opinion anymore valid than others on this forum? You do not think an album can be a 10/10 .. but others do. No one is right or wrong.. it is opinion.

4. Replying with snide remarks and smiley faced shows that you are too fucking dumb to type out a logical, coherent response. Stop your trolling and leave.

says the man with 10 more posts than me

1. Do I expect professional reviews on a fan site? no. Do I know the difference between excitement and quality? yes

2. I was a fan, and this was one of my highly anticipated albums this year. I was especially excited after the release of "Hammerhead" and had high hopes for the album. Like I already said this album starts off good and declines fast after "A Lot Like Me". The Offspring were once my favorite band, so where is my Bias?

3. I never said my opinion was worth more. It's just my opinion. I understand that this is an "exciting time" for fans, but 10/10....Please.

4. More name calling just shows your maturity level, and probably your reason for loving this album so much.

5. You people sure can take issue with my poor review of new the album all you want, But heaven forbid I question the good reviews. GROW THE FUCK UP!

is that coherent enough for you?

IamSam
06-10-2008, 03:59 PM
I'm sorry, you're wrong. Pop is a style, derived from popular sure, but it does not *mean* popular.

I just looked it up and you're right. All apologies.

Nemesis881
06-10-2008, 04:01 PM
ok here's my review..

Half Truism - 10/10 one of the best opening tracks i've ever heard. I caught myself singing lyrics to this one earlier today lol.

Trust in you - 10/10 its like a mixture of all i want and smash in one song. Simply brilliant. The bridge ain't half bad either!

Your Gonna Go Far, Kid - 9/10 different, but just enough to where its good. i dont think this should be the next single though.

Hammerhead - 10/10 powerful, clever, the most played on my ipod :D

A Lot Like Me - 9/10 not one i listen to as much as the others. although i do see me listening to this a lot after a bad day.

Takes Me Nowhere - 10/10 could really help me on a personal level. nuff said.

Kristy - 8/10 i will probably end up playing this for a girl at some point in time, not my normal listening kind of song though.

Nothingtown - 8/10 not GREAT but i listen to it every now and then

Stuff Is Messed Up - 10/10 my absolute favorite! This will probably take hammerhead's spot as most played ;)

Fix You - 8/10 not as bad as i thought it would be.

Let's Hear It For Rock Bottom - 9/10 its not so bad :D

Rise And Fall - 6/10 least played.. i know its been said but sadly, yes it is a green day clone.

mrXniick
06-10-2008, 04:04 PM
says the man with 10 more posts than me

1. Do I expect professional reviews on a fan site? no. Do I know the difference between excitement and quality? yes

2. I was a fan, and this was one of my highly anticipated albums this year. I was especially excited after the release of "Hammerhead" and had high hopes for the album. Like I already said this album starts off good and declines fast after "A Lot Like Me". The Offspring were once my favorite band, so where is my Bias?

3. I never said my opinion was worth more. It's just my opinion. I understand that this is an "exciting time" for fans, but 10/10....Please.

4. More name calling just shows your maturity level, and probably your reason for loving this album so much.

5. You people sure can take issue with my poor review of new the album all you want, But heaven forbid I question the good reviews. GROW THE FUCK UP!

is that coherent enough for you?

What the hell does post count have to do with this? I don't give a shit about any of that.

I do not have issues with your poor review of the album, I don't really give a shit what you think of the album. My issue, and the issue that other people on the forums have with you is that you criticize the opinions of others. You have a problem with the album? that is fine, you are entitled to it. You just need to learn that people have opinions.. and just because they are different from yours does not make them wrong.

grimbl
06-10-2008, 04:08 PM
What the hell does post count have to do with this? I don't give a shit about any of that.

I do not have issues with your poor review of the album, I don't really give a shit what you think of the album. My issue, and the issue that other people on the forums have with you is that you criticize the opinions of others. You have a problem with the album? that is fine, you are entitled to it. You just need to learn that people have opinions.. and just because they are different from yours does not make them wrong.

And if you could read properly. you could see that I've been taking the abuse and criticism for my poor review since page 2. so maybe people need to follow your advice.

mrXniick
06-10-2008, 04:16 PM
And if you could read properly. you could see that I've been taking the abuse and criticism for my poor review since page 2. so maybe people need to follow your advice.

I really do not feel like reading through 13 pages of reviews, i have just caught the stuff you have been saying in the past few pages. Criticizing other people's 10/10 scores is what i took issue with, not your review.

If people are giving you shit for your negative review, then I agree that they need to back off and respect your opinion. However, you also need to do the same in respect to other people's reviews.

grimbl
06-10-2008, 04:22 PM
I'm not a complete moron I know that people are going to like this album, but most(and I use the term loosely) people would agree its not their best album. thats why I question the absurd amount of 10/10's given. and don't understand peoples hate directed at me for my poor review.

mrXniick
06-10-2008, 04:29 PM
I'm not a complete moron I know that people are going to like this album, but most(and I use the term loosely) people would agree its not their best album. thats why I question the absurd amount of 10/10's given. and don't understand peoples hate directed at me for my poor review.

Well honestly you kind of came across as an arrogant prick (i am not calling you a prick, just saying thats how you came across). If you explained it... as you did to me just now i do not think many people here would have a big issue with you, i know i wouldn't have.

Gaberelli
06-10-2008, 04:35 PM
I rank this album up with ignition, S/T and smash. I really like the raw sound of their older albums but this album is great in different ways. It is great because the album as a whole has way more flow then any of their others ad so muh diversity. Honestly many of the songs on their first 3 sound similar but many of the songs on here are different.
My album rankings:

Smash
S/T
RAFRAG
Ignition
Ixnay
Americana
CO1
Splinter

Rooster
06-10-2008, 04:40 PM
Another war up ahead :rolleyes:

But i really don't see the point of registering to The Offspring FAN forum just that you could bitch about the new album and say crap about it.... I know that i'm not a member of this forum for a long time, but this is just my opinion

grimbl
06-10-2008, 04:46 PM
Another war up ahead :rolleyes:

But i really don't see the point of registering to The Offspring FAN forum just that you could bitch about the new album and say crap about it.... I know that i'm not a member of this forum for a long time, but this is just my opinion

I think I explained that on page 4 maybe 3

Unnatural Disaster
06-10-2008, 04:47 PM
Here's my try for an UNbiased review for fans of The Offspring...


1. Half-Truism: I love the intro of this song. Starts out sounding like one of those old music boxes and then BAM! Punk guitar followed by a slow, but heavy melodic chorus. Probably the perfect opening to the album. This song has one of the lyrically best choruses out of all of their songs. "If we don't make it alive, it's a hell of a good day to die." 9.2/10

2. Trust In You: This song instantly reminds me of the song Smash mixed with the song All I Want. It's a great headbanger and probably the most punk song on the album. This is very definitive of The Offspring. Great lyrics in this one as well, and an awesome guitar solo, probably the best since Feelings. "...strong enough to trust in yoooooouuuu!!!" 9.4/10

3. You're Gonna Go Far, Kid: This is a poppy, but still rocking song that sounds like it came straight off of Americana. It's very catchy, and I would expect that it would be a very successful radio-hit that the fans will still like. "Dance fucker dance!!" to this great song. 9.4/10

4. Hammerhead: If you haven't heard this yet, you must have gone cold turkey on your radio as well as leaks. It is a huge punk single with a huge twist at the end of the song that no one would expect. It has great lyrics and at 4:41, is one of the Offspring's longest songs ever. "Take a life that others may live..." 9.3/10

5. A Lot Like Me: This song kind of reminds me of Linkin Park with a Gone Away/Amazed chorus. This song shows a lot of emotion and contains a very prominent piano part. You may think "Piano? In an Offspring song??? How could that work?" I don't know, but it really does here!! This is probably the best song on the album. "And the rain comes, and the world is on my head!!" 9.6/10

6. Takes Me Nowhere: This is a return to the punk style the Offspring was famous for on Ixnay on the Hombre. Fast paced, and upbeat, this is probably RAFRAG's All I Want. It is very catchy and any Offspring fan will enjoy it. "Though I try to break free, the cycle breaks me." 9.1/10

7. Kristy, Are You Doing Okay?: This is an acoustic ballad, a first I believe, for the Offspring. Dexter really pours his heart and soul into the lyrics for this song. It has some Good Riddance (Green Day) vibes to it, but it is not a full out copy by ANY means. An Offspring fan will love it, and punk fans will hate it. "Clouds of time seem to rain on innocence left behind..." 9.0/10

8. Nothingtown: This one also has Green Day vibes, but is not a copy of any of their songs by any means that I can find. It reminds me of something from their Nimrod album. This one features a neat guitar and bass solo near the end. "Hold on tighter with my lighter shing through." 8.4/10

9. Stuff Is Messed Up: I think of this song as a mix between Bad Habit, Cool to Hate, and Americana. Since those three songs are on the 3 separate albums usually marked as the Offspring's 3 best, mixing them together could only make it better, right? Pretty much yeah, I would not say it is their best "angry" song, but it is a pretty good song with it's funny moments, but not Why Don't You Get A Job funny... There is also a very strange bridge in which Dexter does something that he has never done on another album before... "I don't know too much, but I know this. Shit is fucked up!!" 9.3/10

10. Fix You: Whoa, suddenly the album takes a HUGE turn. We go from some sarcastic, angry song to a sad sounding love song? With guitar that rivals Wake Me Up When September Ends (Green Day) and a chorus that sounds nearly like Chasing Cars (Snow Patrol), it is definitely one of the weaker songs on the album. "I wish I could fix you, and make you how I want you." 6.2/10

11. Let's Hear It For Rock Bottom: This is another one of Offspring's ska songs that they have put on every album since Smash (except Conspiracy of One). While it is better than The Worst Hangover Ever it is nowhere near as good as Don't Pick It Up. It is probably the most forgettable song on the album. In fact, this is the only one that I have to look up the lyrics for... "Going down in flames well it's not that bad" 7.1/10

12. Rise and Fall: Okay, this is the famous "OMG iT Souundz lyk Green Dayz!! loLoLolrofl111!!11! " If you get past the intro of the song, you will find that the rest of it does NOT sound like American Idiot at all, except maybe the last note in the guitar solo. The chorus is one of the catchiest ones on this album. Unfortunately, the slight resemblance to Green Day will turn a lot of people, including fans, away from this song. But after a few listens, you will like it better, trust me. "And I don't wanna say I told you so but I told you so, now you lost control." 9.2/10

OVERALL: 8.8/10, B+


Top 3 albums in my opinion.

hshduppsnt
06-10-2008, 04:54 PM
unnatural that seems a very fair review

Unnatural Disaster
06-10-2008, 04:55 PM
Thanks for reading it :)

jacknife737
06-10-2008, 04:55 PM
unnatural that seems a very fair review

Yeah, a good read.

IamSam
06-10-2008, 05:00 PM
Good job unnatural. I agree that Rock Bottom is the most forgettable song on the album. I was listening to Nothingtown today and I am slowly falling in love with it because it reminds me of my hometown and how everyone wants to leave because it has no future for people. Fix you reminds me of Dirty Magic and I actually relate to it well. I find myself wanting to fix people and make them how I want them, but I can't. It's depressing in some ways because you believe you could be great with that person...if they were slightly different.

Rooster
06-10-2008, 05:01 PM
I think I explained that on page 4 maybe 3

Oh, yeah, i must have overlooked it. You gave an exceptable reason, but don't you think it's a waste of your time to do that just because your angry about the new album?

jacknife737
06-10-2008, 05:06 PM
I was listening to Nothingtown today and I am slowly falling in love with it because it reminds me of my hometown and how everyone wants to leave because it has no future for people.

I know the feeling, GM last week just closed a truck plant, putting about a thousand people out of work, the whole city is feeling pretty depressed. Plus the song is undeniably catchy.

Rooster
06-10-2008, 05:13 PM
Great review Unnatural, very well done

Spud
06-10-2008, 05:46 PM
Unnatural, your sentiments about RAFRAG are almost identical to mine, except for your comparison of Nothingtown to nimrod-era Green Day. To me it sounds more like a modification of "want you bad" due to many of the chord progressions.

grimbl
06-10-2008, 05:47 PM
Oh, yeah, i must have overlooked it. You gave an exceptable reason, but don't you think it's a waste of your time to do that just because your angry about the new album?

No, I don't. If I wasn't posting here I would be posting elsewhere. This isn't the only site I wrote a review for this album on.

Gaberelli
06-10-2008, 05:53 PM
I really like Let's Hear it for Rock Bottom. I love the contrast between the verse and corous. The corous is catchy as hell and I like the idea of how going down in flames is not that bad, seems interesting to me.

Llamas
06-10-2008, 05:57 PM
I just wanted to say that I believe my review is not so biased. I've not considered myself an Offspring fan anymore for some time. I was disappointed in the last two albums, and basically stopped listening to them. I joined this forum when I heard they were coming out with a new album (ha, that was early 2006), and quickly grew bored... stopped caring about the new album. Til I heard Hammerhead. I really liked it a lot, and then heard Half Truism and Kid... loved both. I can say I expected a lot from this album- I think for me it was the breaking album. If it was another Ignition or Smash, I was done with the Offspring. If it was as lame as the last two, I was done, as well. But this album met my expectations. I was very pleased to see how far they extended themselves to delve into new musical styles.

It is purely silly to say "no way is that song 10/10", because it's personal opinion. It is impossible to say "that song is BAD. Nobody could ever possibly think it's good." Just because you didn't like the album doesn't mean it was terrible.

Little_Miss_1565
06-10-2008, 06:48 PM
Unnatural, thumbs up. Flame war ridiculousness, your shit is old and tired and we are bored now. Take it somewhere else, 'cuz it's getting deleted here.

jacknife737
06-10-2008, 06:59 PM
I bet i'm not the only one who wants to read a review by our very own Moderatrix.

hshduppsnt
06-10-2008, 07:11 PM
I bet i'm not the only one who wants to read a review by our very own Moderatrix.

haha, I'll second that :)

Little_Miss_1565
06-10-2008, 07:45 PM
Haha, I was hoping no one would notice. ;) I'm going to take a shower now and then perhaps I'll take a shot at something short and sweet. And biased, of course, because I did too much journalistic writing to think anything I would write about something I like would be anything but.

JohnnyNemesis
06-10-2008, 07:53 PM
I haven't listened to a Green Day album since Dookie when I was like 10 years old, so I don't really catch any similarities or anything 'cause I wouldn't know about them, but it's definitely interesting that the songs that supposedly sound like Green Day are the ones that happen to be my least favorite songs on the album.

I think I'm going to write a song by song mini-review of this album after I let it digest awhile.

I'm completely in love with the album, so much so that I'm still excited about buying the physical version next Tuesday, but one thing I notice is that this is the very first time that I EVER skip even a single song on a brand new Offspring album.

I don't know if that has something to do with the album itself or the fact that my listening habits have changed so much over the years. I don't know what it means at all. I do know that I'm just craaaaazy about this album. I bet I'd give it something like a 9/10.

Unnatural Disaster
06-10-2008, 07:56 PM
I listened to the songs several times yesterday, but I want to take a week off from The Offspring so I don't get tired of the songs before the album comes out like I did with Splinter.

nieh
06-10-2008, 08:00 PM
I haven't listened to a Green Day album since Dookie when I was like 10 years old, so I don't really catch any similarities or anything 'cause I wouldn't know about them, but it's definitely interesting that the songs that supposedly sound like Green Day are the ones that happen to be my least favorite songs on the album.

The track Rise and Fall has some strong similarities to the song American Idiot. I didn't really notice much other similarities (aside from maybe like a 3 second riff in one of the songs I can't remember)


this is the very first time that I EVER skip even a single song on a brand new Offspring album. Nothingtown? Please tell me I'm not the only one reminded of Actress Model by Unwritten Law and/or Good Charlotte by it?

Homer
06-10-2008, 08:03 PM
There are a couple of songs that I am going to skip on this album...

JohnnyNemesis
06-10-2008, 08:04 PM
The track Rise and Fall has some strong similarities to the song American Idiot. I didn't really notice much other similarities (aside from maybe like a 3 second riff in one of the songs I can't remember)

Ahhh. Believe it or not, I never even heard the song "American Idiot" aside from 15 second snippets I ignored from TV commercials for the Green Day album. Hmm. I don't like Rise and Fall too much, but I think it picks up midway through the song and the lyrics are okay.

My main disappointment with the song is a bit of an unfair one: with the album art and title, I expected "Rise and Fall" to be a really dark and punk song, not an upbeat piece of "sorta romantic at times" stuff. That has more to do with my misguided assumptions than anything though (ps. Rage and Grace in "Fix You" and then this song make for interesting ways to think about the album title)


Nothingtown? Please tell me I'm not the only one reminded of Actress Model by Unwritten Law

YES YES YES YES YES! I thought I'd be alone on that. Except I despise "Actress, Model..." and only sorta don't like Nothingtown/have trouble listening to it.

ps. I gave Splinter a 9.5/10 when I first got it and it's actually still one of my favorite albums. Quality over quantity on that one, for me.

nieh
06-10-2008, 08:31 PM
Ahhh. Believe it or not, I never even heard the song "American Idiot" aside from 15 second snippets I ignored from TV commercials for the Green Day album.

You should check it out (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5mjN32G1iI) if only to hear the similarities. I've heard the whole AI album in my friend's car a few times and never really cared for it, though I still enjoy Dookie every now and then.


Nooooo! What happened to 2L8IW1N's reply? That was golden.

Little_Miss_1565
06-10-2008, 09:28 PM
Here goes. Overall, I love this record. They really know how to create a tracklisting, though. The first five songs are fucking crazy good and pull you in to the whole thing. It's cool to see them get back to their roots in a big way but at the same time reaching off in a couple different directions. I'll probably tweak this a bit over the next couple days but as it is right now...

1. "Half-Truism" : 10/10
Holy fucking shit. Easily one of the most sophisticated arrangements we've seen from Dexter, starting with the music-box intro which provides a fantastic intro to the album. And because most of it is in Dexter's lower rocking out register I can sing it :). I especially like his deft use of what I know as the fake-out cadence -- you think the phrase is going to resolve, but it goes all minor and shit instead and it sounds epic. I forget my music theory...it's a 1-5-6 or a 1-6 or some shit. Anyway. In my hairbrush-and-mirror lip sync days, I used to imagine that it would be fucking killer to sing "Forever and a Day" with the band--if they were the ZZ Top to my David Cook, if you watch too much TV. But right about now, I think this song just knocked that one down a notch on the wish list.

2. "Trust in You" : 10/10
Fucking freight train, right up in here. This one took me straight back to Ixnay, but this has so many more layers than anything they were doing around that time--the crazy twin lead guitar shit under the chorus and then again at the end of the song, for instance. And as a guitar player turned bass player, I have to appreciate leaving room for a bass solo.

3. "You're Gonna Go Far, Kid" : 10/10
The only interest I have listed on my MySpace profile is "disco hi-hat," so of course I like this one. A lot. Plus the chorus is fucking anthemic, and the sick twin lead guitar is back--hail satan, metalheads. I raise my beer in salute.

4. "Hammerhead" : 10/10
As much as I like this song, I actually like it the least of the first four tracks. I've totally talked about this one to death, but I love how twisted it is, and the bridge where the song's narrator starts letting reality slip into his delusion and 'all hell breaks loose' has a lot of well-placed characterization. It's killing me what song he took the riff from...it was in a commercial, maybe a Jolly Rancher commercial or some shit? Anyway it's 60s or 70s. And before anyone tries flaming me: before my band broke up, we used to pick songs back up if we stopped in the middle by calling out wherever we lifted the riff from, like "Okay, start again at Radar Love." Viva la postmodern age, bitches.

5. "A Lot Like Me" : 9.8/10
I am a former high school drama club gothfag and I love songs with high drama and I listen to a lot of Alexisonfire. This song has smoking hot harmonies and backing vocal arrangements, and the "Want it you got it you're sorry you bought it" bit is killer.

6. "Takes Me Nowhere" : 8/10
This one sounds like it might get along well with the songs on "The Gray Race," though all things considered in that case this one might get roughed up on the playground once in awhile. ;) 80s punk by way of the 90s. And damn it again with the awesome harmonies.

7. "Kristy, Are You Doing Okay" : 6/10
The rating is more because I'm a survivor of sexual abuse and have heard very few songs, poems, etc. that touch on the subject that don't make me make the dinosaur face. But this song is more about how do you deal with or act around someone who has gone through something you know is possibly worse than death that you have no real frame of reference from which to offer any comfort, which makes you feel a whole host of complicated emotions quite worthy of having a song about. From a purely musical standpoint, though, I thought the arrangement wasn't as face-meltingly awesome as the preceding ones. I have ADD.

8. "Nothingtown" : 8/10
I fucking LOVE LOVE LOVE that the melody line lifted from "Coolidge" for "Want You Bad" makes another appearance here. The reference to the Descendents' alienation anthem makes this story of wanting to break out of your shitty little town (HEDWIG!) that much more poignant? Nah. More awesome.

9. "Stuff is Messed Up" : 7.5/10
This is the one I was the most worried about, what with the squeaky-clean title and all, but it's a very nicely done critique of the modern age. I thought Dexter did it better in "Americana," but he certainly didn't just re-write the same song. The fast bit in the middle makes me think of the fast bit in the middle of "La Vie Boheme," but probably just because I was a high school drama club gothfag. Though, in defense of the HSDCGF, there are pictures of me rehearsing for the lead role in Jane Eyre in a Smash t-shirt and camo pants with spikey hair. (90% of punks go goth. Just look at Davey Havok.)

10. "Fix You" : 7/10
Sweet song. We hurt the ones we least want to, because we are all inherently crazy. Too true, too true.

11. "Let's Hear it for Rock Bottom" : 9/10
Why hello bangers, I thought you had just popped around the corner for another case of beer! Not that the company in your absence was at all bad, I just have ADD right now and...oh, you. I'm just glad you're here.

12. "Rise And Fall" : 9/10
Call me crazy, but I hear more "J.A.R." in the intro to this song than any other Green Day song. But of course, the three chords of "J.A.R." are among GD's (and every punk band's) favorites. This is a straight up get back to your 1994 roots throwdown.

hshduppsnt
06-10-2008, 09:41 PM
^ Well thought out review.
Thanks for that. I have to agree with Rise and Fall I don't actually hear too much (EDIT - Stupid Typo - clearly too much work today) American Idiot, and love the kick back to Want You Bad on Nothingtown. not familiar with Hedwig but... hello, Arcata (and frankly most of Humboldt County)

That goes for everyone who's written something, btw. It's really interesting to hear everyone's opinion on these songs. thanks for sharing!

ps. ... ... ... dinosaur face?

Little_Miss_1565
06-10-2008, 09:53 PM
Okay, so Hedwig is "Wicked Little Town" but good enough for government work. The song is here: http://www.imeem.com/krokodyle/music/arv3QTVh/stephen_trask_wicked_little_town_hedwig_version/



ps. ... ... ... dinosaur face?

http://www.androidworld.com/trex.jpg

hshduppsnt
06-10-2008, 09:55 PM
^ LOL. Oh man... hahahahaha... oh thanks for that laugh, I needed that today.

jacknife737
06-10-2008, 10:31 PM
Wow, Little_Miss, great review!

slade
06-10-2008, 10:32 PM
I have to listen to the album a lot more to get a good idea of it.

But the first 6 songs are awesome. After that it's not as good. "Stuff Is Messed Up" is another awesome song though.

It wasn't what i was expecting going from "Hammerhead" and "You're Gonna Go Far, Kid". But with me I've always been like this. I've never liked all of Offspring's songs. There's still a lot of songs i don't think I've even listened to yet.

I'm still buying it though.

Nicole
06-10-2008, 11:42 PM
I downloaded this for a little pre-exam procrastination and actually completely forgot this was being released until I saw the torrent for it. Why am I saying this? Because it discounts that I would automatically love anything the Offspring came up with, my music tastes have changed a hell of a lot of late.

First track and a bit same good old offspring music nothing hugely covering new ground for this band was starting to get a bit worried. Now something happens halfway through Trust In You... something very strange. That bassline is truly the best one I've ever heard. Honestly, I don't know how they rigged it but strength and volume... not necessarily technicality then the guitars begin to play riffs that are good and begin to cover new territory and I find myself both surprised and digging the hell out of it.

I have no idea how many times I can listen to this album without getting bored but so far I'm more impressed than I have been for a long time with this band. It sounds different but not different in the omg this band I listened to went down the wrong path and I'm really bummed. It's more like when the hell did they pick up their game like this???

JeromeFleur
06-10-2008, 11:47 PM
For people who don't like Kristy are you doing okay... I think it is a grower. At first, I didn't like it at all. And now, I think it is an amazing song. Just listen to it a couple of times...

Rooster
06-11-2008, 03:37 AM
Good review, Little_Miss_1565 :)

And whoever did that terrible thing to you (you know what i'm referring to) should be beaten ALMOST to death (not to death, because that would be an easy way out for him) and thrown into jail :mad:

Jack-UK
06-11-2008, 04:55 AM
Individually, Kristy and Fix You are AMAZING songs. I think the reason why most people don't rate them so much is because they compare them to the tracks they had just heard... You hear everyone talking about the 'First 6', and its just a complete change of pace.. i think thats the main reason. Same thing with Fix You.

On their own, i love them, completely different to what we've heard, yet still similar on a different level. Its Dexter after-all, and i love the vocals on both those tracks.

Little_Miss_1565
06-11-2008, 05:36 AM
Nooooo! What happened to 2L8IW1N's reply? That was golden.

I agree, but the flame war has to dieeee. I can move it somewhere if he wants.

Motaboy80
06-11-2008, 05:46 AM
Great album! definitely different than the past ones.

The start of Half Truism reminds little bit Matisyahu´s Time of Your Song.:)

GunForHire
06-11-2008, 06:12 AM
This is maybe my favourite Offspring album to date. I love it, the lyrics, the harmonies (Greg and Noodles are definitely earning their money on this album), the guitar riffs, the drumming, you name it.

Don't know what more to say that won't be repeating all the other reviews here that've heaped praise on it, other than to say well done to the band for making such an amazing piece of music. This is the best album I've heard since the Foo Fighters 'Echoes, Silence, Patience and Grace', which I listened to like crazy when it came out. Just a coincidence that they have kinda similar names and both kick so much ass.

randman21
06-11-2008, 08:14 AM
I'm absolutely horrible at doing reviews because I tend to only "like or not like" things, without giving great reasons. Keep in mind that I tend to rate things much lower than I actually feel about them (because if the first song's a 10, I couldn't go higher with songs I like more). That said, here goes:

(EDIT: Heh, I think I used the term "leaving me wanting more" incorrectly. I actually mean "leaving more to be desired".)

Half-Truism 7.5/10
This song has really grown on me. A lot. I'm one of the ones who thought "Helena" (which I love) when I heard it, but not as good. I would have given it a 3 at first, but as time went by, the song lost its MCR association and I found myself humming it all day, and never getting tired of it. Something about Dexter's voice in it is very different than I've heard. "Haunting" is the word of the day.

Trust in You 9.75/10
Before I even knew the title of this one (from the YouTube videos), I joked that this would be my favorite from the album. I wasn't too far off, actually. When the song first came on, I started bobbing my head in approval, and right after that, I stopped dead, in awe of what I was hearing. To me, this is "Smash plus plus". Of all Dexter's vocal performances (of this album at least), this is THE best. It sounds like a hella awesome guitar lick to me, and it rocks. The tone of Greg's bass was perfect. The guitar solo was a little too repetitive for me, but the effect (phaser? flanger?) was very appropriate. I should also add that this song is the PERFECT choice to follow "Half-Truism".


You're Gonna Go Far, Kid 8.0/10
This is where I started to consider Dex a genius. It is the best poppy but oh so hard song they've done. I like almost everything about this song. Strangely, though, I don't like the "You're gonna go far, kid" part of the song as much as the rest, as it seems predictable. I also thought the "punk rhythm" of the drums didn't fit well at the slow tempo of the song, but it has grown on me. My favorite thing about it is probably the guitar part behind the prechorus. Very simple, but very fitting. This song, without a doubt, should have been the next or fourth single.

Hammerhead 8.0/10
It doesn't transition from the last song as well as the previous ones. I should just skip this one because we all know how great it is. I give the meaning of the song and the "breakdown" part 10s, but the part before it seems to drag on a tad bit too long. Just a tad. So, yeah, classic Offspring.

A Lot Like Me 10.0/10
In a word, "YES!" If they were going to experiment, this is what I wanted the album to be about. It was the song I anticipated most based on the Amazon previews. There is NOTHING I dislike about this, from the synthy drum part at the beginning, to the interminable (in a good way) "repeat 'til fades out" chants of "a lot like me". Wait, I lied. The second "a lot like meeeeee" felt a little out of place, but the others were right at home. The only other things I don't like are even smaller than that and not worth mentioning. I got a very U2 feel from it, and seeing as I don't like U2, it's weird that I like that about this song.

Takes Me Nowhere 7.25/10
The very first thing I thought when I heard this is "I'm sooo glad this isn't like what I thought it was gonna be". Based on the lyrics Dexter posted on the journal, I thought it would be a slow, generic thing, but the words fit this music. The chorus is another Offspring classic, but left me wanting a little more. I must now say that, while the guitar solos of this whole album also leave me wanting more, they always fit, just like a baby in its mother's uterus. It's one of the catchiest of the album. One of the top 3 choruses.

Kristy, Are You Doing Okay? 8.0/10
I really don't get the Green Day comparison for this one. That vibe is not hitting me at all. Cheesy as hell, but in a "very tasty enchilada" kind of way. The subject gets an automatic 10. You'd think that the Offspring has been doing this kind of song all along because it just works well. Once you disable your punk rawk force field and just accept that it is cheese, you should enjoy this one. If you can't do that, you won't. It's pretty much that simple. I think it should be the third single.


Nothingtown 6.5/10
I don't think of this one as a Green Day rip-off. It's pretty much a Green Day song. But that's okay, GD didn't patent that sound. I don't like the idea of a "Nothingtown" and Offspring singing about it, but the song is good enough. And, holy Hell, how did I miss this solo before?! Not amazing, but it didn't leave me wanting more. Honestly, I believe the thing that makes everyone go "omg green day" is the bass part, which is awesome. Best ending of the album.

Stuff is Messed Up 9.5/10
Oh, yeah! Obviously, this is the song that kicked my ass the most on the first listen. Heh, I actually did devil horns. It has a very classic rock and roll feel to it, with 100 times the power. I actually hate the "cell phone" line. I imagine Dexter sitting in a rocking chair on his front porch when he sings it. This is the only thing I dislike, though. One extra point if Dexter nails the bridge every time they play it live.:p On a review I read, someone described this song as a “throw-away track”. I describe that person as an “idiot”. I'd like to see this one as the fourth single.

Fix You 9.0/10
Biggest surprise of the album, based on those previews. I love it. Very well put together and not overdone in any way. The 'la la las" after the first chorus is an interesting choice, but it works. The drums come in at the perfect time. The only negative I have is that Dexter seems to be unsure of his performance and is a little subdued in the verse parts. He wails during the loud part, though.


Let's Hear it For Rock Bottom 7.5/10
After the song is over, all I can say is "Damn. A wasted opportunity to capitalize on an amazing verse." So, yep, I loooove melody and vibe of the verses.The chorus is "eh, okay" just out of place, but it gets back into the verse well. Then, it sorta meanders, starting at the bridge. It's too long, too. The verses and the solo keep this song from being my least favorite of the album.
EDIT: I also want to mention that Blink 182 is one of my top 3 favorite bands, but I do NOT hear whatever Blinkness in the chorus that I've been reading about.

Rise and Fall 6.5-7.0/10
Hmmm, I was ready to call this my least favorite, but now I don't know...Of course, this one sounds like "American Idiot" but only because of the structure. It's nothing that hasn't been done before, but I never hold that against any musician in the year 2008 A.D. Despite the overall lack of catchiness, the guitar solo and chorus "up its repz," making it once again "good enough". It's a good song, but just not catchy enough and just not the ending to the album I wanted.

I cannot yet give this album a rating as a whole, and I certainly can't rank it among my favorites.
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Again, note that I only gave one 10, so you can accurately see which is my favorite and how much I like the others by comparison. Each song would be higher on a real scale.

Bipolar Bear
06-11-2008, 10:20 AM
Had this is another thread. Thought I should maybe transfer it.

This is some sort of shitty review, but they're also ranked from best to worst.

1. Shit is Fucked Up 5/5
Put it on repeat and kept listening to it, which I rarely do. This may very well be on of my favorite offspring songs. The lyrics are so fucking awesome too.
2. Take Me Nowhere 5/5
Catchy, fast. Sounds good.
3. Hammerhead 5/5
I like it even more since I saw the video clip.
4. Half-Truism 4.5/5
Would be perfect if it were more aggressive.
5. Trust in You 4.5/5
Great song really...just not as catchy as the top 4.
6. You're Gonna Go Far Kid 4.5/5
This song has no good guitar riffshit whatsoever. Apart from that, it's great.
7. Nothingtown 4/5
Don't have any useful comment to make about this one.
8. Let's Hear it For Rock Bottom 4/5
(insert meaningful comment here)
9. Rise and Fall 4/5
I love this song.
10. A Lot Like Me 4/5
Doesn't stand out, really, it's a great song, as all others preceding it on this list.
11. Kristy Are You Doing Ok? 3/5
I can't make myself listen to this type of music. Not enough distortion, speed, aggressivity, you name it. It's a great song though, just not for me.
12. Fix You 3/5
Now here's a song I'll probably always end up skipping...it's too dull to listen. Even more than Kristy. For me at least.

That's about it.
Overall album score: 4.25/5

OFFSPR1NGDUDE3
06-11-2008, 12:28 PM
This was definitely different for them. I love them and all, but I think they may have tried a bit too hard at parts of this album.
A few of these bear some similarities to some popular songs over the past few years, in my opinion anyway.

Half-Truism is similar to Helena by My Chemical Romance
A Lot Like Me is similar to What I've Done by Linkin Park
Rise and Fall is similar to American Idiot
Kristy Are you Doing Okay? and Fix You just sound like they're trying to be too modern.

These could be coincidental or whatever, but idk I think they're trying on some things that simply don't suit them.

I am happy to see this band make a significant change however.

They're one of my favorite bands of all time, but a lot of their songs tend to sound the same, so this album was refreshing in that sense.

So this album was very good, but it was not worth the 5 years of anticipation I have had waiting for it. And I actually liked The "A Lot Like Me" a lot, despite the fact that it seems overproduced.

I can get over overproduction if the songs are good, because that's what matters. They've definitely had catchier hooks in the past, nothing in this album really strikes me that hard and has that sing-a-long chorus that I love them for.

I give the album 8/10.

Favorite Songs: Stuff is Messed Up, Trust in You, A Lot Like Me, Hammerhead, Takes Me Nowhere.

nieh
06-11-2008, 01:51 PM
I agree, but the flame war has to dieeee. I can move it somewhere if he wants.

I can't be emo, I only own one black shirt!

Dead Kennedy
06-11-2008, 02:03 PM
my ass-mother-fucking review
half truism: i like the song,it's not catchy os some other bud it has a good tune with some nice riffs and some cool lyrics 9/10
trust in you:i fuckin like this song,i only find chorus a little bit boring,but what a hell 10/10
YGGFK: catchy song, nice guitars,fast,semi-aggresive,i like it 10/10
hammerhead:okay song,good old "whooas",i like the second part of the song,but ain't anything special 7/10
a lot like me: nice,slow song,i usually listen it when i wanna get some sleep:D 8/10
takes me nowhere:i don't remember this song:( 5/10
kristy: nice song with about raping and stuff,a slow one but i like it 9/10
nothingtown:i'm not impressed by this one 5/10
stuff is messed up: i fuckin love this song,coz there are so many fucks in it! 10/10
fix you:nice melody adn stuff like that,but to boring for me,i only listened to it once 3/10
rock bottom: okay,i guess,i don't like chorus so much,but enjoyable song 7/10
rise and fall: it would be reall okay song if there wasn't american idiot. now it's only 5/10

RAF,RAG: this album is really good,not the best one,but there are 5-6 songs that are really good and i adore them,much better cd than splinter, but it has some flaws
8/10

ppronni
06-11-2008, 02:43 PM
Half Truism. One of their bests. 10/10
Trust in You. Cool, but with more anger and power would have been better. 8,5/10
YGGFK. Good one. New style but still cool. 8/10
Hammerhead. Good punk rock song. 8/10
A Lot Like Me. Great ballad, a bit Linkin'Parkish. I love it. 9,5/10
Takes Me Nowhere. Good song, but faster and more 'punk' would have been better. 8/10
Kristy?. Weak acoustic ballad. 3,5/10
Nothingtown. Good punk pop song, as tracks 2 and 6, it would be better if faster and more powerful. 6,5/10
Stuff's Messed Up. Good song, original. Chorus' cool. Although the song's not very melodic. 7/10
Fix You. Doesn't fit here, and don't like it. 2/10
Let's Hear it for Rock Bottom. Too poppy and sum 41 style. weak. 3/10
Rise and Fall. American Idiot copy with cheaper lyrics and cheaper everything. 4/10

Overall: 6,5/10. First half is great, second half is horrible. The album lacks more power, more fast and catchy anthems and more rage, in general. I like their innovations in songs like YGGFK, Stuff's Messed Up or A Lot Like Me, but hate the soft ballads, the pop tunes and the Green Day copies.

IamSam
06-11-2008, 02:44 PM
People seem to focus on the "Rage" and forget the "Grace" in this album. :rolleyes:

ppronni
06-11-2008, 02:51 PM
People seem to focus on the "Rage" and forget the "Grace" in this album. :rolleyes:

That's because a band that usually did a lot of 'rage' and no 'grace' has released and album full of 'grace' and with almost no 'rage'. Actually, the only 2 moments of 'rage' in RAFRAF are the ending of Hammerhead (teacher come help me etc) and the chorus of A Lot Like Me (because you look a lot like meeee). I cannot find more 'rage' moments. And I like them a lot.

IamSam
06-11-2008, 02:56 PM
That's because a band that usually did a lot of 'rage' and no 'grace' has released and album full of 'grace' and with almost no 'rage'. Actually, the only 2 moments of 'rage' in RAFRAF are the ending of Hammerhead (teacher come help me etc) and the chorus of A Lot Like Me (because you look a lot like meeee). I cannot find more 'rage' moments. And I like them a lot.

Uh....Stuff is Messed Up?

Let's Hear it for Rock Bottom's rants on society?

Takes Me Nowhere discussing drug use?

Nothingtown describing small towns in America drying up because of no opportunities for young people?

You're Gonna Go Far Kid's rant against politicians (or specifically Bush)?

You mean that lack of rage?

ppronni
06-11-2008, 03:04 PM
Uh....Stuff is Messed Up?

Let's Hear it for Rock Bottom's rants on society?

Takes Me Nowhere discussing drug use?

Nothingtown describing small towns in America drying up because of no opportunities for young people?

You're Gonna Go Far Kid's rant against politicians (or specifically Bush)?

You mean that lack of rage?

I didn't mean serious subjects, I meant rage within the songs, Dexter showing rage in the way of singing. And I'm sorry but this feeling of rage does only appear - for me - in the moments I've previously said. Maybe in the strange but cool part of Stuff's as well, but that's all.

Ristifer
06-11-2008, 03:05 PM
Uh....Stuff is Messed Up?

Let's Hear it for Rock Bottom's rants on society?

Takes Me Nowhere discussing drug use?

Nothingtown describing small towns in America drying up because of no opportunities for young people?

You're Gonna Go Far Kid's rant against politicians (or specifically Bush)?

You mean that lack of rage?
I have to agree. Rage and Grace don't necessary have to mean hard and soft songs. It could be all about subject matter and lyricism. We all know Dex is perfectly capable of doing something like that.

Smashed Ixnay
06-11-2008, 05:02 PM
I know this is a fan site and all, but I just don't understand how some people can not like a song really but still give it a high ass score like 8/10 or something. Not only that, but every song is like 9.0, 9.5, or a 10. I love Offspring, even though I was highly disappointed with this album; because I seem as if I was led on after hearing hammerhead and reading that it would be fast paced more like their older albums.

I'll still buy it the day it comes out. It won't be because I love the album, but it's to support my favorite band for putting out music throughout the years that helped me get through tough times, get amped, etc. It'll grow on me, but I was expecting much much more.

I'm not going to review every song, but I will say I love songs 1-5, which I'd give an 8/10 avg, then 6-12 a 5/10. Tracks 6-12 are hits and misses, but mainly misses for my taste Offspring music. Overall I'll give the album a 6.5/10 or D+.

bouncingcoles
06-11-2008, 06:16 PM
the song Rise and fall was very disappointing. it sounds just like a green day song and they will get shit for that from many people. Fix you is good except for the chorus, i think the chorus is cheesy and the lyrics arent very interesting. kristy are you doing okay is pretty cheesy too but thats okay. overall though id say its some of their best material yet. Id say a lot like me is my favorite song since its a bit different from anything they have done in the past.

jacknife737
06-11-2008, 06:39 PM
the song Rise and fall was very disappointing. it sounds just like a green day song and they will get shit for that from many people. Fix you is good except for the chorus, i think the chorus is cheesy and the lyrics arent very interesting. kristy are you doing okay is pretty cheesy too but thats okay. overall though id say its some of their best material yet. Id say a lot like me is my favorite song since its a bit different from anything they have done in the past.

Listen up you tru punx, if mutha fucking bouncingcoles gives his approval, then I have no idea what's the matter with you.

killboybowerhead
06-11-2008, 08:18 PM
My review of Rise and Fall, Rage and Grace

10/10 - the entire album.

Every song is different and offers something new throughout the entire album. I love the songs like fix you, a lot like me, kristy, rock bottom... The music sounds honest and well yeah I dont give a shit if people are going to accuse them of ripping of Green Day for the Rise and Fall song. Green Day blows now. I am happy that Offspring are putting out nice honest music and are not trying to change their image and try to save the world with their music. Every song says something, every solo, whatever. This album is fucking dope.

Ryder1234
06-11-2008, 08:29 PM
i'll rate the song and write a short message about the songs i have heard. i have only listened to songs we've heard live, plus trust in you.

1. Half-Truism 10/10
I love this song. It sounds so good. for some reason, the lyrics "the banner you're waving is burning and red, it's blocking the sunlight that shines overhead" sound familiar, but their also my favorite part of the song.

2. Trust in You 10/10
also 10/10. this is my favorite song I have heard so far. it is really energetic. one of the good things about it (for me) is that its a really easy song to pick up on the guitar. i was able to play right along with it the first time i heard it, without sitting down a figuring it out. (except for the solo)

3. You're Gonna go Far, Kid 8/10
this isn't the greatest song on the album, but its up there for sure. i wanna dance when i listen to this song

4. Hammerhead 7/10
i only rated it 7/10 because its getting old since i hear it on the radio once a day now, but when it dies down a bit, it'll probably be a 9/10. its defiantly a good song though

ahhh... what the hell
13. O.C. Life9/10
as far as covers go, i think this is their best. this is probably gonna be my most played song from the new album until the album actually comes out and i hear the rest of the songs. but it might still be the most played, as it wont be on my copy...

Lightning Rod
06-11-2008, 08:50 PM
Rise And Fall,
Rage And Grace
Here's my review. Made With true sarcasm.

1. Half-Truism 10/10
No Words Just. This Is Completely New Thing.

2. Trust In You 8/10
A Lot Of ENERGY and Creativity, awesome solo. I'd like to hear It Live!

3. You're Gonna Go Far, Kid 4/10
Here The One Of the stupid songs....Guys ..Where did you find those stupid song names like this one.?...

4. Hammerhead 9/10
Great Song, i see the riffs from ignition, drums and structure from have you ever) but still rocks.

5. A Lot Like Me 7/10
Looks Like Good Charlotte Make Some Sex With Slipknot's "Vermilion" or whatever. BUT......I like it too.) Non Off Sound and smells like alternative soul)

6. Takes Me Nowhere 10/10
Second Best Shot By The Offspring.

7. Kristy, Are You Doing Okay? 5/10
I think This Is One Of The importaint songs For Dexter, I don't like it at all... but it's good to listen when you walk around.

8. Nothingtown 8/10
I've Got A Feeling Like -" This Song From 60' or middle 70' covered by The Offspring"-. I Really Respect This One Cause It Gives Me A Lot Of Motivation.

9. Stuff Is Messed Up 6/10
Again Looks Like Soft Manson) A Shame) But I Liked to hear fast vocal part by Dex.

10. Fix You 7/10
Looks Like Green Day )But Anyways I Like the soft side of Offspring .

11. Let's Hear It For Rock Bottom 4/10
Completely Annoying Song like The Worst Hangover Ever.

12. Rise And Fall 7/10
I hoped this song was heavy like smash or americana so I'm kind of dissapointed too. OMG Looks Like Green Day's American Idiot) For Sure.

13. O.C. Life (Bonus Track)(Cover) 8/10
Another Solid Cover By The Offspring.



So Complete Rating Is ~ 7/10

Lightning Rod
06-11-2008, 08:55 PM
13. O.C. Life9/10
as far as covers go, i think this is their best. this is probably gonna be my most played song from the new album until the album actually comes out and i hear the rest of the songs.

Not The Best But Still Most Played Thing.)

IamSam
06-11-2008, 09:00 PM
3. You're Gonna Go Far, Kid 4/10
Here The One Of the stupid songs....Guys ..Where did you find those stupid song names like this one.?...



Please explain yourself, sir.

Lightning Rod
06-11-2008, 09:10 PM
no sir just call me LR
I'am the one who likes serious things.

This song completely gay..funny structure, funny vocal, stupid riff.
As for me...We're here express our own thoughts

so i give 4 for Lyrics

IamSam
06-11-2008, 11:22 PM
no sir just call me LR
I'am the one who likes serious things.

This song completely gay..funny structure, funny vocal, stupid riff.
As for me...We're here express our own thoughts

so i give 4 for Lyrics

Um...ok. I really don't know what to say about that other than it takes me by surprise, seeing that it really doesn't have a funny structure. Verse...pre-chorus...chorus...

oh_strange_one
06-11-2008, 11:30 PM
i'll write a review..........when i get my damn cd ooooooohhhhhhhh i cant wait i want to cry everyone making me well jealous mine should be here monday morning im going to savage it when it gets here lol wish me luck that theres not a postal strike that day *fingers crossed*

Ryder1234
06-11-2008, 11:39 PM
Not The Best But Still Most Played Thing.)

IMO its the best because i couldnt get into the other covers. (apart from Smash it Up, and obviously OC Life trumps that)

SK8rocka
06-11-2008, 11:48 PM
11. Let's Hear It For Rock Bottom 10/10
First I hoped this song was a theme song for Spongebob Squarepants, but he lives in Bikini Bottom. But this one's fine with me.

Thats What i was hoping too

Jizzy Jeff Punk Man
06-12-2008, 08:52 AM
Hey everybody. I haven't posted here in a long time, mainly because for a while there, me, a kid who used to be obsessed with The Offspring, stopped listening to them. However, I had heard about the new album and all the leaks of the new songs and stuff, so I listened to the album preview on imeem and figured I'd give my input. I'm hoping people will take what I say to heart and not complain.

Anyway, after I downloaded the Hammerhead single directly off the website, the song didn't make particularly "excited", but I had a certain level of expectation. Then I heard "Half-Truism". I thought, oh, that's interesting, a break down chorus, they don't usually do things like that. Then I heard all the other songs on the album, and honestly I thought for the most part they were shit. I mean, a 12 song album with like 4 ballad type songs on it? I half expected there to be 1 AT MOST. I'm not trying to ramble on about the Offspring "sticking to their punk roots", because honestly even their so-called punk stuff is not punk. I'm also not trying to bash the band for trying new things; that's good that they tried to do that. I think that more than experimenting, they were trying to have songs that fit the limelight. I think that the song "Kristy, Are You Doing Okay?" is their answer to "Hey There Delilah" by the Plain White Tees. And for all those who like "Stuff Is Messed Up" and said they wanted there to be no "joke songs", I don't know of any other way to describe that song.

I heard the song "Trust In You" and I thought this is more like it, an Offspring style song, but then I realized the similarities between it and the song "Smash". I thought oh, maybe they can't be original with that style anymore, but you know what, I don't care. I think they might have been better off because that's what I wanted: A NEW WIND TO THEIR CLASSIC SOUND!

I've read so many reviews about the album on the forums and most people seem to love it. I don't know if it's just because of the hype now that it's just coming out, but I really think people want to believe it's a good album even it's not because they had such high expectations for it.

I honestly think the best way to describe the album is mediocre and fake. To me this is just not an Offspring album. I mean, what can you expect? Pretty much all music that I used to love has gone to the shitter.

May never be hearing from me again,

Love,
Jizzy Jeff Punk Man

IamSam
06-12-2008, 09:04 AM
Anyway, after I downloaded the Hammerhead single directly off the website, the song didn't make particularly "excited", but I had a certain level of expectation. Then I heard "Half-Truism". I thought, oh, that's interesting, a break down chorus, they don't usually do things like that. Then I heard all the other songs on the album, and honestly I thought for the most part they were shit. I mean, a 12 song album with like 4 ballad type songs on it? I half expected there to be 1 AT MOST. I'm not trying to ramble on about the Offspring "sticking to their punk roots", because honestly even their so-called punk stuff is not punk. I'm also not trying to bash the band for trying new things; that's good that they tried to do that. I think that more than experimenting, they were trying to have songs that fit the limelight. I think that the song "Kristy, Are You Doing Okay?" is their answer to "Hey There Delilah" by the Plain White Tees. And for all those who like "Stuff Is Messed Up" and said they wanted there to be no "joke songs", I don't know of any other way to describe that song.



First off, there are only 2 ballad type songs on this album. Secondly, Stuff is Messed Up is not a 'joke song.' I don't see how it ever has been and ever will be. Third, Dexter was quoted as saying that they made an album that is relevant to 'todays' punk. Not punk in 1994 that all the other bands have been stuck into. Fourth, you're in the minority here. The majority of people like the album because it shows the band maturing and trying new things, and working out for the most part. Get over it.

Devidence
06-12-2008, 12:09 PM
Nah, I'm on Jizzy's side for the most party, sorry guys. Stuff is Messed Up is a joke song, I really don't understand why that's in dispute. The beat, the sound effects, the lyrics, the la la la's that kind of bring to mind Manson's "Rock is Dead."

I was all set through the first half, even if you include the Linkin Park "A Lot Like Me." But after that it is not recognizable as The Offspring. I know bands should grow and evolve, but not abandon.

SaiKYoU
06-12-2008, 12:22 PM
Nah, I'm on Jizzy's side for the most party, sorry guys. Stuff is Messed Up is a joke song, I really don't understand why that's in dispute. The beat, the sound effects, the lyrics, the la la la's that kind of bring to mind Manson's "Rock is Dead"

lolz! the first thing i thoght when i heard the drum at the beggining was "The Beautiful people, the beautiful people"

Devidence
06-12-2008, 12:31 PM
lolz! the first thing i thoght when i heard the drum at the beggining was "The Beautiful people, the beautiful people"

Oh damn, I knew that sounded familiar too. Good catch.

Cock Joke
06-12-2008, 12:56 PM
If they put out several albums that sounded like Smash, people would get their panties in a bunch about that, too!

Also, we say we love the album because we genuinely love the frikkin album!!! Not because we secretly hate it and want to believe it's good. I'm glad they branched off into new territory and I would have been disappointed if they had done the same stuff all over again!

And about "Stuff is Messed Up," it ain't a joke song because it touches on serious issues that are happening these days!

And finally, comparing Offspring to gay white tees is frikkin blasphemous! The end.

Devidence
06-12-2008, 01:05 PM
If you like the new direction that's fine. It just sounds like a hard play for the newer pop punk crowd, which has still been a few years since the Blink 182 / Sum 41 radio days. Its just not my thing. But let's look some lyrics in Stuff for a second:

<< "So please leave a message on my cell phone"
"And that guy on TV is like a total asshole"

"Who are you wearing tonight?
Celebrity fundraiser, tight!"
Black ties making wrongs right
How’s your social Band-Aid?"

"I think we’re losing this fight
Sponsored by Bud Light"

"Rehab and LOL" >>

If that's supposed to be an "anti-establishment, commentary on real world issues" and NOT a joke song, then I am even more disappointed. It sounds more like Weird Al's version.

Cock Joke
06-12-2008, 01:07 PM
The lyrics might be a bit quirky, but that doesn't mean it is a joke song.

Bipolar Bear
06-12-2008, 01:27 PM
If you like the new direction that's fine. It just sounds like a hard play for the newer pop punk crowd, which has still been a few years since the Blink 182 / Sum 41 radio days. Its just not my thing. But let's look some lyrics in Stuff for a second:

<< "So please leave a message on my cell phone"
"And that guy on TV is like a total asshole"

"Who are you wearing tonight?
Celebrity fundraiser, tight!"
Black ties making wrongs right
How’s your social Band-Aid?"

"I think we’re losing this fight
Sponsored by Bud Light"

"Rehab and LOL" >>

If that's supposed to be an "anti-establishment, commentary on real world issues" and NOT a joke song, then I am even more disappointed. It sounds more like Weird Al's version.

There's a difference between using humor in a song and making a joke song.
The Offspring uses humor in their songs, but the message is still very serious. Don't feel insecure and automatically label any song with humor as Weird Al...

IamSam
06-12-2008, 01:32 PM
If you like the new direction that's fine. It just sounds like a hard play for the newer pop punk crowd, which has still been a few years since the Blink 182 / Sum 41 radio days. Its just not my thing. But let's look some lyrics in Stuff for a second:

<< "So please leave a message on my cell phone"
"And that guy on TV is like a total asshole"

"Who are you wearing tonight?
Celebrity fundraiser, tight!"
Black ties making wrongs right
How’s your social Band-Aid?"

"I think we’re losing this fight
Sponsored by Bud Light"

"Rehab and LOL" >>

If that's supposed to be an "anti-establishment, commentary on real world issues" and NOT a joke song, then I am even more disappointed. It sounds more like Weird Al's version.

It's not "anti-establishment, commentary on real world issues" it's a commentary about how the media fixes on issues that are non-issues and how the things that really matter get pushed to the side.

This is a very good song and isn't even close to a 'joke song'...which is a term I hate. This song is so damn true it isn't even funny and I applaud the band for doing it.

Joke song...please...next you'll tell me that the song from the 60s/70s with all the things named in it is joke song.

MaF
06-12-2008, 02:45 PM
hmmmm where to start.

this album started off alright and I was hopeful. but about half way through it turned into a Simple Plan album. The problem is Simple Plan Fucking blows. I'll place some of the blame Bob Rock for the direction this album went but most of it lies on the shoulders of the Offspring themselves. This album is strike 3, at least for me. I'm done with the offspring now, and they'll go down as one of the biggest sell outs in my books.

Rating 2/10

I'm with u... my 1st wish about that album that it can't be true! That's someone's joke! It's not The offsping! It can't be them! God, plz!
Hammerhead snot bad =) 9.2/10
others... for now i'm too EMOtional (=))))))) to judge trully


There's a difference between using humor in a song and making a joke song.
The Offspring uses humor in their songs, but the message is still very serious. Don't feel insecure and automatically label any song with humor as Weird Al...

That calls satire, i guess


...few minutes later
That's not the offspring. I want some oldschool! Why else i still listening songs from the origins of 90s till today, not changing em to more new... i mean the other style or other groups.... When i'm listenin to NOFX i'm always know what to expect from em, same story bout pennywise... Bad religion changes, but it goes by it's own way. And last the Offspring's album s just a mix of wide variety of different pop-punx + a bit of offspring + new sounds (like that very chorus singing that become popular in last albums of other groups...)...

My rate: That's not offspring sound (but still that's from offspring - (minus) 1 or 3/4 offspring so there's no surprise :)). I'm dissapointed T_T better find a noose and hang myself, cause i'm such emo! :D

http://i055.radikal.ru/0806/7c/06c4b73dba65.jpg (http://www.radikal.ru)

Can't say anythin bout lyrics unless i read em...

minutes after
still listenin to it... maby it's not so bad.... it had it's strong points... but few songs (just like on splinter) are horrible

minutes after
Arghhhh! I don't know what to say! I'm confused! Time will show.... nedd to listen it more... and analyse it more complex

Rooster
06-12-2008, 03:27 PM
My advice for those who don't like it: DON'T LISTEN TO THE ALBUM! THROW YOUR COPIES THROUGH THE WINDOW! BURRY THEM IN THE GROUND! NOW! JUST DON'T COMPLAIN ABOUT THE ALBUM NOT BEING PUNK ENOUGH FOR YOU OR THAT IT'S NOT THE OFFSPRING!

This band is still considered punk and praised like gods (and they should be, they are/were amazing), and look what they recorded

this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16u0wwCfoJ4

and this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OAkfHShATKY

So don't tell me that The Offspring experiment with their songs too much

EDIT: These two links are also for people who think that My Chemical Romance or Simple Plan are punk - especially the first link ;)

Rooster
06-12-2008, 03:30 PM
And to MaF: Give the album a try, maybe it'll grow on you ;) As i have seen in your post, it has grown on you a little already :D

IamSam
06-12-2008, 03:37 PM
My advice for those who don't like it: DON'T LISTEN TO THE ALBUM! THROW YOUR COPIES THROUGH THE WINDOW! BURRY THEM IN THE GROUND! NOW! JUST DON'T COMPLAIN ABOUT THE ALBUM NOT BEING PUNK ENOUGH FOR YOU OR THAT IT'S NOT THE OFFSPRING!

This band is still considered punk and praised like gods (and they should be, they are/were amazing), and look what they recorded

this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16u0wwCfoJ4

and this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OAkfHShATKY

So don't tell me that The Offspring experiment with their songs too much


Woo! Tru Punx 4 eva!

Jesus
06-12-2008, 03:38 PM
I'm sorry, you're wrong. Pop is a style, derived from popular sure, but it does not *mean* popular.

Hmm strange in Dutch it still does (Hence rockfestivals with names like pinkpop and pukkelpop) and that makes the most sense imo, cause it would be hard to define it as a style.

Lets check the English wiki page... that's not very helpful it starts with "Pop music is music charted by the number or sales, plays, etc., that the work receives. It is not a particular genre or style of music, but simply that which is the most popular for the tracked period of time."
So this basically says pop=popular

But later on it states "Initially the term was an abbreviation of, and synonymous with, popular music, but evolved around the 1950s to describe a specific musical category."

But then the article doesn't specify it and to track the evolution of pop they check to see what was popular at the time, making pop once again equal popular.

So I'm very curious to know what style pop is? Cause even the etymology page lists it at 1926 ("having popular appeal"). :confused:

Devidence
06-12-2008, 03:40 PM
Oh god, please say you didn't just reference the Clash.

Look, I gave the Offspring passes for Hit That, and Original Prankster, etc. I wasn't a big fan, but at least it was DIFFERENT than anything else I was hearing on the radio. And that's the issue I have with the back half of RFRG. It's not unique, it's not offspring, it's just some pretty general pop-punk.

If the Offspring make an album like "Combat Rock," I'll be the first one in line to buy it.

Rooster
06-12-2008, 03:44 PM
I just meant that The Clash experimented with their music, and that was okay, and The Offspring shouldn't too much? That's why i put the links for two Clash songs, which are very different to each other, totally different style, to show that bands are allowed to experiment with their music style

But yeah, The Clash were (and still are for me) fuckin' LEGENDARY

Devidence
06-12-2008, 03:50 PM
I just meant that The Clash experimented with their music, and that was okay, and The Offspring shouldn't too much? That's why i put the links for two Clash songs, which are very different to each other, totally different style, to show that bands are allowed to experiment with their music style

But yeah, The Clash were (and still are for me) fuckin' LEGENDARY

Yeah, that makes sense. I just think "Hit That" was a worthwhile experiment, while a few of the new tracks are not much of an experiment at all, in the overall sense of it.

It's different for the Offspring, yes. But it wouldn't be considered an "experiment" for Green Day, Simple Plan as mentioned, or some other mainstream acts. The Offspring can and have made much stronger music than all of those bands, and it hurts that they now feel the need to compete on that level instead.

There are still some solid keepers on this album, and they can integrate into the tour fairly well. I just won't be running this CD in it's entirety very often, know what I mean?

Rooster
06-12-2008, 04:01 PM
Yeah, i understand you. And probybly "experimenting" is not the best term... I think that The Offspring just wanted to make a bit more diverse record this time, and some fans are not satisfied with it while the others are. I have read on this forum some posts in which the users explained why they feel dissapointed with the album (and they explained their dissapointment in a proper way), while the other users just bitched about the album. I respect everyone's opinion, but those users who were just bitching about the album because it annoys them so much should just....well, i have written a few posts ago what should they do.

Peace

offspringfriggendominates
06-12-2008, 06:26 PM
Half Truism - Epic. Just fucking epic. 10/10

Trust in You - Fast, and just all in all amazing. Will rock out to this song, love the bass. 10/10

YGGFK - Amazing. Love the general feel of this song. 10/10

Hammerhead - Loved it when it came out, still amazing, but I will skip it sometimes to listen to a different song.

A Lot Like Me - Best. Song. Ever. 11/10

Takes Me Nowhere - Love it. Didn't stand out that much, but still fucking awesome. 9/10

Kristy - Love the acoustic. Love the singing. 10/10

Nothingtown - Love the up beat feel. Just fucking awesome. 10/10

Shit is Fucked up - Awesome. Love the fast part (LOL). Can't wait to hear it live. 10/10

Fix You - Love low, soft Dexter's voice. Love the piano. 10/10

Rock Bottom - Awesome ska-ish song. Makes me feel happy. 10/10

Rise and Fall - Great anthem. Don't like this part
"And I don’t wanna say I told you so
But I told you so" Just sounds kinda awkward, but the rest of the song is AMAZING. 9/10

Overall, 10/10. Fucking awesome. Just fucking awesome.

Captiosus
06-12-2008, 11:00 PM
Firstly, Bob Rock didn't turn Metallica into anything. Why can't people understand that Metallica went the way they did, and they paid for this later on because of the friction within the band that came head-on?

I'm going to go out on a limb and say you've never watched the interviews on Live Sh*t: Binge and Purge or other post-Black Album interviews.

James Hetfield HIMSELF repeatedly states in these interviews that it was Bob Rock who approached him and said the band would expand their marketability if they shortened their songs and "diversified" their sound. He offered to guide them.. and the band agreed.

It was Bob Rock who brought us the Black Album. It was Bob Rock who directed the band towards the alternative spectrum with the Load album to remain "viable" after a prolonged absence and it was Bob Rock who produced the absolute steaming pile of garbage known as St. Anger before Metallica finally kicked him to the curb.

The friction from the band, from Jason Newstead's comments, was directly BECAUSE of the direction the band was taking (again, directly because of Bob Rock). Newstead felt he was in a Metal-Turned-Alternative band that had no idea what they were doing and were rapidly alienating their fans over mp3s.

And since this is way off-topic, I'm working on my review of RAFRAG in Editpad so please don't jump on my case. And despite the preceding diatribe, it's a very positive review.

TNA
06-13-2008, 12:13 AM
Half-truism: Great fast song, good lyrics, what I expected from the new album. 10/10

Trust In You- Another good one with the signature driving guitar, sounds a lot like their older stuff. 10/10

You're Gonna Go Far Kid- An original song, this is what I had hoped the new album would sound like, something new, yet keeping their roots. 10/10

Hammerhead- I love how it changes, good lyrics, good mix of faster and slower. 10/10

A Lot Like Me- What's with the beginning, it really didn't need to be there, I'd blame Bob Rock. The rest of the song is pretty chill, a good mix after a couple faster songs. 10/10

Takes Me Nowhere- A good song, but it seems like I've heard it before. Not very original. 8/10

Kristy Are You Doing OK- What the HELL, an acoustic song. It's just slow verses, and then a really poppy chorus. I appreciate trying something new, but it just did not work, and the solo just sounds so overdone. 5/10

Nothingtown- Basically it's want you bad. It just sounds so pop punky. Were they even trying? A rehash of an older song, which was mediocre to begin with. 2/10

Stuff Is Messed Up- Same beginning as the last song. Just too overproduced, it's not catchy. I give credit to the singing style though it was different. 4/10

Fix You- It was very good to begin with, I liked how it was kinda slower and mellower, but I was waiting for it to get to that part where it kicks in and becomes epic, but it never came. The ending just did not do the rest of the song justice. It would have made a very good ending song. 6/10

Lets Hear it For Rock Bottom- The intro just sounded like every other band out there. Verses were OK, I sorta liked the kinda reggae vibe. The chorus, just so pop punky, and it just went on. It may have made an OK song under 3 min. but it was over 4. 3/10

Rise and Fall- After a dissapointing second half I was hoping for a great ending, but what do I get a song less than 3 min, which sounds a lot like green day. 2/10

Overall I thought this album had so much potential it started out great and just went downhill. They said this album was supposed to sound more like their older stuff? I did not hear any hints of the great stuff from Ignition, or Ixnay. I thought it was waaaay overproduced, and I really have to put the blame on Bob Rock. All the guitars sounded too clean, they missed the rawness that they had on Ignition. It lacked the energy of their older stuff. And all of the effects that were thrown in were completely unnecessary, and just made it sound too poppy. Every album they have there always seems to be at least one song that I always have to skip, it seems like they can never make a complete good record start to finish. The Offspring used to be one of my favorite bands, but they're last three albums have really diminished them in my eyes. After five years I was expecting a lot more.
Overall 6.5/10

Captiosus
06-13-2008, 12:55 AM
Preface:

Yes, I feel inclined to write a preface before my actual review for a little background.

I'm 31 years old and come from a very musical oriented family. Thanks to the influence of my parents and grandparents on both sides, there's little I don't listen to, whether it be popular or completely off the wall indie stuff. From Classicial to Big Band to Metal to Country to Rap, and all points in between, it's all here. I'm proud to say I have Ignition on, of all things, vinyl.

I don't type this to "stroke my music collection epeen", rather, I type it to quantify that I believe there are two immutable truths when it comes to long tentured bands. Those truths are simply the following:

1. Bands change; Artists get older and want to experiment, branch out and take different paths.
2. Fans of previous albums who dislike change absolutely despise anything that doesn't sound like and take every opportunity to bash the artist or band.

Led Zeppelin, The Who, Pink Floyd, Jimmy Buffett, Black Sabbath, Rush, Megadeth, Metallica are great examples of bands/artists who changed (for better or for worse is [i]not the point) as they got older and earned the ire of fans. You can bet that had there been internet forums when Sabbath released "Technical Ecstasy" there would have been a lot of flaming. Ditto when Rush went from pure instrumental rock to instrumental/electronica or when Jimmy Buffett reverted back to more mellow Country roots instead of releasing another album of his typical 'carribean' party songs.

So Offspring's latest effort neither shocks nor surprises me.

Review:

Half-Truism: 9/10
Musically, this track gets me moving and lyrically it resonates with me on a spiritual level. Not to elaborate too much on the former, I'm Buddhist and knowing (and not fearing) the impermenance of things is a core concept. In that respect, lyrics like "If we don't make it alive, well it's a hell of a good day to die. All our light that shines strong, only lasts but so long" and "You against the world, diamonds and pearls, it never mattered anyway" make a very strong connection. Dexter's vocalization really drives the song home.

Trust in You: 9/10
A nice 'vintage' Offspring track. It grabs me from the start and never lets go. Yes, the guitaring does sound a lot like Smash, but not enough where they sound "identical". The use of latin in the chorus was gutsy and makes the song really stand out.

You're Gonna Go Far, Kid: 9/10
Honestly, I didn't know what to make of this song the first time I listened to it. The second time, I couldn't picture anyone BUT Offspring doing this song. Musically it's another track that really grabs me and never let go, which Dexter's staccato singing really helped draw me in. The changup at 2m10s to Dexter + Bass: Awesome.

Hammerhead: 9/10
There's been a lot of dispute about what this song means but coming from a family where every male has served in the military, I drew my conclusions the first time I heard it. Pumping song with charged lyrics very relevant in this hawkish world of ours. I will agree that it tends to drag on a bit, but not so much that it makes me want to fast forward it.


A Lot Like Me: 6/10
I don't really have a lot to say here. This song just really doesn't "do it" for me. It's good, but, for me, ultimately forgetable. The build up to and first "Want it You got it You’re sorry You bought it You’re sliding Want it You got it You’re sorry You bought it Can’t hide it" is nice, but the rest of the song leaves me wanting.

Takes Me Nowhere: 7/10
Musically I like the way the track flows, but the lyrics don't feel terribly strong to me. I'm assuming it's supposed to be dark, but "dark" doesn't really get conveyed to me.

Kristy, Are You OK?: 4/10
The only track on the album I'll willingly skip because it sounds entirely like Green Day's "Wake Me Up when September Ends". I don't mind the tempo or subject matter of the song at all but if you listen to this and then immediately listen to "Wake Me Up When September Ends", well, it's shocking. Both have roughly the same speed, both are very subdued, both pick up after a minute and a half and end slow again, and the intros and outros are strikingly familiar, with only minor differences. I appreciate what the guys tried to do here, but it's too similar to Green Day for my tastes.

Nothingtown: 8/10
Another song where I love how it flows and I'm a sucker for lyrics about feeling stuck in a rut and wanting to change. Some may argue that it sounds bland, but I think the strength of the lyrics outweigh any perceived "bland punk" musical sound.

Stuff is Messed Up: 8/10
No offense to previous posters but anyone who thinks this is a "joke song" needs to be hit in the head with a cast iron pan. This song not only grabs me musically with the way it changes between hard guitars to drum/vocals, but the lyrics are a powerful social commentary. Not as stinging as Bad Religion, but social commentary nonetheless. "It's all about the dream, the ends justify the means" - how many people do you know fit in this category? "Now thank god for the media, for saving the day/Putting it all into perspective in a responsible way/With more celebrity news/Typical bullshit views" - how many times have you turned on the TV and seen something important preempted by some bit of celebrity trash or how about when news outlets who claim to be unbiased (I'm looking at you Fox, MSNBC and CBS) get caught peddling their own agendas?

Fix You: 5/10
Unlike Kristy, I don't necessarily think this song is bad, but it's not my cup of tea. I think my dislike of this song may be more because of its placement. Had it been behind Nothingtown rather than the much faster Stuff is Messed Up, I might like it more. In fact, I think I'll adjust my playlists on both WinAMP and my Zune to do precisely that. If this changes my opinion of the song, I'll adjust this.

Let's Hear It For Rock Bottom: 8/10
I like this song. Not as much as others and I can't really explain it. Something about it gets me moving and while I agree it's not something I would have "expected" from Offspring, I think it's very well done. I doubt it'll ever be a radio smash, but screw the radio.

Rise and Fall: 9/10
Yes, it sounds like Green Day with the overdrive guitars and heavy use of high hat, but not to the same degree as Kristy, in my opinion. This song ends the album with the same degree of energy with which it started.

Total: 8/10
RAFRAG is a tasty sandwich of good times and varying musics, with one burnt potato chip on the side (Kristy).

In the grand scheme of things, here's where I'd put it amongst their releases:
Ixnay, Ignition, Smash, RAFRAG, S/T, Americana, CO1, Splinter

Final Comment:
I'd like to make a final comment here.

Music is music. If it moves you and you like it, then does anyone else's opinion matter? You'll notice I use a lot of "in my opinion" in my review because, frankly, that's all it is. Since when did music appreciation become heavily dependant on whether the masses appreciated it?

Phix
06-13-2008, 12:55 AM
everything except kristy are you doing ok is great. kristy is awful. their worst and by far the most pathetic song they ever did. overall 8/10

Betty
06-13-2008, 01:41 AM
Okay, I only first listened to the album tonight, but I’m pretty excited about it so I’m going to do a review. I had this whole list of things to do and instead I stayed up really late listening to it repeatedly and trying to decide whether I wanted to rate certain songs 0.5 higher or lower. I’ve only gone through the whole thing 4-5 times though, so it’s still a preliminary review.

First off, I’ll say that I think it’s awesome that you can call the album “RAFRAG.”

A handful of the songs have really great parts intermingled with, well, quite terrible parts. And that bums me out. I’d almost prefer a couple more amazing songs, and a couple more terrible songs. Or maybe they’ll grow on me. I’m going to try and rate the music relative to all music, and not on a 8-10 scale. And I’ll try and be unbiased. Like, if I heard these songs and didn’t know it was the Offspring, would I give them a second listen? Obviously I’m automatically biased ‘cause I love the band and I know it’s them. But I love them ‘cause I think they make great music, sooo I’d like to think it’s just my taste shining through.

Half-Truism
The beginning of this song is awesome. The verse is AWESOME. But I can’t stand the chorus. I think it’s awful. It’s exactly the style of rock that I really dislike. I’ve tried to listen to it over and over to see if it would get better, but it hasn’t. The end of the song is cool too. So overall, three quarters great and one quarter pretty terrible.
7.5/10 (All fantastic but with TERRIBLE chorus)

Trust in You
Classic Offspring. I don’t think it reminds me of Smash, but the singing reminds me of bits and pieces of their old stuff combined. It’s solid. And there are all these really cool musical/instrumental bits scattered throughout the song which make it a lot better.
8.5/10 (Punk rock + nifty music)

You’re Gonna Go Far, Kid
AMAZING!!! I love it! This one got me excited. I don’t really like the “You’re gonna go far kid” part, but it could be worse, and it’s a pretty minor part of the song, so it’s doable. It just makes me excited to get back to the good part, I guess. My favourite song, hands down.
10++/10 (Dance party!)

Hammerhead
It’s solid. And it sounds really cool when I listen to it and there are really cool parts in it. But I just feel like I’ve listened to it over and over and I can’t remember one lyric and I couldn’t possibly attempt to hum any of it. It just does not stick. Maybe it’ll still grow on me?
7/10 (for coolness, but lacks something… I guess catchiness/melody)

A Lot Like Me
Yup, it’s pretty sweet. I usually don’t dig heavy/slow stuff, but this is good. There are a few really good melodies. The “want it you got it” part is awesome. I’m rating this a “9” but I don’t know if that means I’d rather listen to it than the other songs that I rated a bit lower, it’s just that the whole song works really well as a whole.
9/10 (A success!)

Takes Me Nowhere
I really like this one. Solid pop punk song. Kinda generic, but it’s good. The chorus is fabulously catchy. It’s completely replayable without becoming annoying, I think.
8/10 (I’m a sucker for well done catchy punk)

Kristy, Are you Doing Okay?
The lyrics are neat, sure. But I think the song is terrible. It might not be so awful that I have to skip it, but pretty close. Actually, I hate to say it, but Dexter’s singing probably bothers me the most.
3/10 (Can’t do it)

Nothingtown
Another pop punk tune. Maybe a bit too much.
6/10

Stuff is Messed Up
I really like it! I like the slightly rawer sound. And I love the lalala’s. Really catchy chorus. Borders on cheesy, but I think Dexter pulls it off.
9/10 (Bumped from 8.5 for uniqueness)

Fix You
Oh boy. Well, the chorus is terrible. It reminds me of about a gazillion songs on the radio that I don’t really like. Parts remind me of “Denial, Revisited,” which I never really liked either. There are some glimmers of hope here and there. I like the piano a bunch. And the oohs and aaahs and lalas are good. It has a bit more depth than Kristy, and is definitely more listenable for the good parts, but the bad parts kinda make me cringe.
4/10 (Can’t do it either)

Let’s Hear it for Rock Bottom
I definitely agree on the Police thing, which is kinda a good thing cause it sounds awesome. But the chorus is definitely too “Green Day” in a bad way. So it ends up being like Half-Truism. Half awesome. Half bad.
6.5/10

Rise and Fall
I can hear the Green Day (American Idiot) in that one part. I’d almost like to rate it higher, but it just doesn’t do it. Nothing hooks me and reels me in.
5.5/10

So overall there are a few failures, a few really great songs, a few solid pop/punk rock tunes, and a few part amazing/part terrible songs (the heartbreakers).

I have a hard time ranking this album among the others. At first I was going to say it’s the best since Americana. With my personal ranking being: 1. Ixnay. 2. Ignition. 3. Smash. 4 Americana. (tier 1) 5. S/T. (S/T) 6. Splinter. 7. CO1 (tier 2)

And then I went to remind myself of CO1 and Splinter and I remembered that I actually liked them quite a bit. It’s just really hard to produce something comparable to Ixnay on the Hombre, that’s the problem. In terms of the quantity of good/mediocre/bad songs, RAFRAG is comparable to the last two. But I think I’d still rate this album higher ‘cause it’s more… meaty? It feels a lot longer, like there’s more substance. The songs have more depth musically and lyrically. And it excites me a bit more. There are some parts that are REALLY good. But you can only really tell what you think when you come back to the album in context months or years later.

MaF
06-13-2008, 03:26 AM
And to MaF: Give the album a try, maybe it'll grow on you ;) As i have seen in your post, it has grown on you a little already :D

yeah, can't resist to it... :D


So overall there are a few failures, a few really great songs, a few solid pop/punk rock tunes, and a few part amazing/part terrible songs (the heartbreakers).


All that stuff confuses me. As u can see all that mess prevents to get final verdict. They've got some bad things before, but they were in eir style and now it sounds like u know who... It's ok, when u got failure in your style, but when u got it in others it's a way worse....

MaF
06-13-2008, 06:33 AM
Here we have as somebody already told half-album with great begining and so-so ending

1. Half-truism 8.8/10
IMO, it's the way the offspring evolves...
2.Trust In You 8.3/10
Classical "the offspring" (btw, i hate that "the"). Reminds me (and every person on Earth SMASH and for me 100 punx a little...)
3. You're Gonna Go Far, Kid 9.4/10
Yeah, that's the way new the (should i write it every time before offspring?) offspring sounds, continue of the show!
4. Hammerhead 9.2/10
I like it =) Reminds me 1st album... and of course it powerful & offspringful
5. A Lot Like Me 5.5/10
Oh no! Who's on vocals? Who's that man? Why it's so slo-o-ow?! Aaaah!
I'm not the fan of slo-screamy songs....
6. Takes Me Nowhere 7.3/10
Whooo! We're getting up the speed! Not bad, still reminds me some of eir old song... can't remember. Good.
7.Kristy, Are You Doing Okay? 3/10
Oh no! That acoustic and sobing! I'm not Kristy and i'm not care about her and why her liife is a chore! Skip!
8. Nothingtown 7/10
Hate the start. That reminds me one old pirate-band... IMO, kinda popy, but OK. And also i hate whooos, i prefer aaaahs and nanananas =)
9. Stuff Is Messed Up 8.6/10
Oh hell no! That drumms again! Hmmm *vocals starts* not bad... *few seconds later* oh, cool. *lalalalalala* oh, great! Yeah, it goes aggresivly and provokotional.... lalalalalala! i also like that machinegun lyric.
10. Fix You 2/10
Oh no! Acoustic sobing again! I wish-i wish... I wish that never shows on your CD! Skip!
11. Let's Hear It For Rock Bottom 7/10
Hello, sum41! Oh no, that's dexter's voice... it's The Offspring! "Wasted away!"...hmmm... catchy...
12. Rise And Fall 6/10
Man! U all know what it sounds like.... if judge it's not so bad... a way better that FixU & Kristy... but still it sounds like alredy used 1000times...

Verdict: 6,841(6 in period)
So Few bad songs messed all up!It got great begining and c-grade ending that forces u to think that album's bad... if u cut all crap u've got normal album, but way too short. Maby that's why they put some extra-long extra-crap melodies here :cool:
And still i'll buy that CD to support the band, place it on shelf collecting dust (cause i've alredy downloaded all tracks) and be listening to it, skipping (just cutting on phone) crap-parts.

Devidence
06-13-2008, 06:37 AM
yeah, can't resist to it... :D



All that stuff confuses me. As u can see all that mess prevents to get final verdict. They've got some bad things before, but they were in eir style and now it sounds like u know who... It's ok, when u got failure in your style, but when u got it in others it's a way worse....

I think you are saying that "to fail in your own style is ok, but to fail in someone else's style is much worse."

If I understood that correctly, then I think that is the best sentence in this whole thread.

IamSam
06-13-2008, 07:30 AM
I'm done looking in this thread because people are either:

A. Making me laugh uncontrollably because they serious lacking in musical tastes and are closed minded.

B. Make me want to punch a baby because they don't understand certain songs and automatically rate them low because of this lack of understanding.

MaF
06-13-2008, 07:33 AM
I think you are saying that "to fail in your own style is ok, but to fail in someone else's style is much worse."


yeah, that's right

icklebabygremlin
06-13-2008, 08:06 AM
This is just a mini review on the songs for my POV
(Please post your own)

Half Truism - 9/10
I love this song, powerfull lyrics and great guitar
and i think this song would be great live i could see all the offspring fans singing together and having a good time


Trust In You - 10/10
As im sure you all know this song sounds alot like smash,i think this going to be a classic offspring song its very 1994 offspring
very well writen song so yeah i love it


You're Gonna Go Far, Kid - 9/10
Dance fucker dance!
Yes, well a very nice pop punk song from the offspring
its a good song but its a shame that the album doesnt have a lot of these types of these songs


Hammerhead - 7/10
mhmm.. i do like this song. but alot of it is the same and its really to long for what the song is, the lyrics are great and everything but just its a bit to long for me


A Lot Like Me - 6/10
A new side of offspring that we're seeing here, im not really that much of a fan of this song tho as a write this i am listening to it only for the 2nd so my views may change.
The Intro is a bit like linkin park and i am not a fan of them but the song does have its momments quite like gone away at parts but the album didnt really need this song seeing how fix you is like it and i like fix you more over this


Takes Me Nowhere - 8/10
Great song but i dont like the intro but the song overal is really good just the kind of offspring that we all love


Kristy Are You Doing Okay? 7/10
Now this song i really dont know because i cant decide if its really good or bad i thinking more towards good but i think when it goes into the charts if going to be ethier hit or miss. its really the WDYGAJ of the album :P


Nothingtown - 8/10
Not a lot to say about this song but i do like but it makes me think of green day and i realllllly dont like green day i think its the drums on this song that makes it quite cheesey sounding but yeah its alright

Stuff Is Messed Up - 9/10
YES YES YES!
I love this song, i dont know what it is but its just what the album needs just a really good song its like 2001/2008 offspring its their new sound lets say but it makes me think of CO1 and fits on with this new sound


Fix You 8.5/10
A risky song to put on the album it gives i the album a good mix of songs tho, but i do really like, reminds me alot of Denial, Revisited and i love that song


Lets Hear It For Rock Bottom - 9/10
Not alot i can say about this song, great chours and the rest it fine, but a really fun song

Rise And Fall - 9/10
is it just me or does this sound like american idiot, but dont let that but you off. i really do love this song a really feel good song i could just dance to it all day

All in all i would give the album...8.5/10
A good album!

thyforsaken
06-13-2008, 08:25 AM
Here is my rewiev of RAFRAG:

I have been an Offspring fan for over 15 years now. Before this album I had some hope that they might get back on track after 4 bad releases(ink the best of)
Theyre still searching for the track in my opinion, RAFRAG is a slap in the face for old Offspring fans like my self.
They start the whole show with HALF-TRUISM, and the song is good.....for about 40 seconds. The chorus is so wrong for the song.Cheesy slow power pop chorus, with a very anoying guitar in the background. TRUST IN YOU gives me a little hope here, hard hitting and in your face like the old Offspring, but also here I hear an anoying guitar n the back on the chorus. Get rid of that.
YOU'RE GONNA GO FAR, KID starts of with almost a disco beat, But it takes it self up on some parts of the song.BUt it doesent hit me in the face like I want it too.
HAMMERHEAD is a nice brake here, Original and pushy. Exept from the "bridge/outro" Its been done so many times by tons of bands before. I am really disapointet. Use a little longer time when you write songs guys, find something else to play there or cut it out.
A LOT LIKE ME is a nice try, I give them that. Very cool use of vocals. A nice change.This is a song you need to listen to a lot of times to get a hold of. The lyrics are great.
TAKES ME NOWHERE Is so boring I almost falls a sleep, a little upper on the chorus but besides from that its just not enogh.
KRISTY, ARE YOU DOING OK? No no no, what the hell is this? The vocals are bad, guitar riff is more boring than whatching paint dry. a pluss for lyrics but no thank you. I dont need a brake again, I m still waiting for the power songs!
NOTHINGTOWN is a song who has been done a million times. I am well aware that the chords and all is easy to use over and over again, and that is why it sounds like otherbands, but thats a lame exuse. If its sounds like it been done a million times, throw the song away and try again. dont record it a million times again.
STUFF IS MESSED UP has that in your face attitude again, That is good. Original and sounds like offspring.Good work.
FIX YOU. Brake again? come on guys! Give me a .....well....." a brake" here. Boring. Nice lyrics but that doesent cut it.
LET'S HEAR IT FOR ROCK BOTTOM Belive it or not, but there are a great mood on the verse here but thats about it. with american pie/Sum 41 chorus this is like I have been saying a lot here....Done before!.
RISE AND FALL, Did billie Joe produce this one? damn guys. whats the point?

So to my conclution. This album offers nothing new at all. Sounds like a "best of" album from tons of artist.
Offspring, mabye its time to say good bye and leave it. You have lost all the ability to write good and strong new songs. I know bands must go a new way from time to time, but hey take another path.
Im sure this album will sell and do good, have no doubt about that. But the problem is, its gonna get picked up by peopel who love american Idol and things like that. Peopel who the smash fans hated the most.
Im sad to say, but this is the first Offspring album I wont buy. I wont even download it. Like I said a million times before: i have heard the songs before, by other artists.

3,5/10

Thanks for your time.
Now you can start writing shit about my honest opinion.
-Tom Erik Hansen

Footman
06-13-2008, 09:21 AM
Half Truism - 9/10
Trust In You - 10/10
You're Gonna Go Far, Kid - 9.5/10
Hammerhead - 10/10
A Lot Like Me - 6/10
Takes Me Nowhere - 8/10
Kristy Are You Doing Okay? 6/10
Nothingtown - 8/10
Stuff Is Messed Up - 10/10
Fix You 3/10
Lets Hear It For Rock Bottom - 7/10
Rise And Fall - 8/10

Manic Subsida
06-13-2008, 09:50 AM
Omg. Yeah, it's nice to have a own sticky for this, isn't it?
http://www.offspring.com/forums/showthread.php?t=32923

teroh1988
06-13-2008, 10:29 AM
My review after listening to the whole album twice (therefore subject to change)

01 Half-Truism: Epic, one of the best songs Offspring has ever done. I love everything about this song. 10 / 10

02 Trust in You: Good, very good indeed. But I think that the Chorus could be a little better, it's a little repetitive. But still nice song. 8 / 10

03 You're Gonna Go Far, Kid: I usually am not into slow-paced songs, but this one is quite nice. I love the pre-chorus line ("Dance, f***, dance...) 9 / 10

04 Hammerhead: Loved this when I first heard it, but its magic has sort of worn off. There are a lot of songs on the album that I like better now. Still very good song of course. 8 / 10

05 A Lot Like Me: Nice one. This song is not at all Offspring, but it's good nevertheless. I love the intro! 7.5 / 10

06 Takes Me Nowhere: Weakest song so far. It just doesn't sound special. Not bad but not great either. 7 / 10

07 Kristy, Are You Doing Okay: You may hate me for this, but I think this the best ballad on the album, and, the best ballad Offspring has ever done. Yeah at the beginning I also thought I was listening to "When September ends" but the chorus is great, and the rest of the song as well. I love this. 9 / 10

08 Nothingtown: YES! Another really fast and great Punk song. Just as good as Half-Truism. Perfect tune, makes me really happy. 10 / 10

09 Stuff Is Messed Up: Another great one. This really rocks. Lyrics are not that good but who cares. How can anyone not like this song? 9.5 / 10

10 Fix You: And this is the one song on the album I may skip in the future. I'm gonna give it some more tries, but this has just bored me by now. When I heard "Kristy" I thought "Hey the Offspring can actually do better ballads than Denial Revisited" and then 3 songs later they come with this which is as boring as my least favourite song on CO1.

11 Let's Hear It For Rock Bottom: Good song, but almost like "Takes Me Nowhere" this is not really special. Sounds too familiar and a bit repetitive. Still an okay song. 7 / 10

12 Rise And Fall: Great ending! I espected something more rock, but this is really good. 9 / 10

Overall I would give 9 / 10 by now.

noodler
06-13-2008, 11:43 AM
Im not going to post a big review. Really enjoy the 1st half of the album but the 2nd half is a little more filler-ish.

Theres never been an Offspring album I regret buying.

Even on Americana theres something I can get from iT (Have you Ever, TKAA, End of the Line)

disclaimer_07
06-13-2008, 12:35 PM
That's my opinion for now:

Half Truism - 9/10
Trust In You - 9/10
You're Gonna Go Far, Kid - 9.5/10
Hammerhead - 9.5/10
A Lot Like Me - 7/10
Takes Me Nowhere - 6.5/10
Kristy Are You Doing Okay? 8.5/10
Nothingtown - 8/10
Stuff Is Messed Up - 7.5/10
Fix You - 10/10
Let's Hear It For Rock Bottom - 7.5/10
Rise And Fall - 9.5/10

Overall 8.5/10

Obie2trice
06-13-2008, 12:49 PM
Listened to the album a couple of times

Really standout tracks

- Half-Truism
- Takes me nowhere
- Stuf is messed up (I LOVE this one)
- You`re gonna go far kid

I`ve waited so long for this and it meets all my expectations. I`m a happy person today:D

AnAciremA
06-13-2008, 04:49 PM
Half-Truism:
Love it, great way to start an album!

Trust in you:
The beggining reminded me of Smash, another good one

..Go far kid:
At first I thought it was gonna be the "pretty fly" of this album, but it turns out it's one of the best songs!

Hammerhead:
Good thing they chose this one for the first single, represents this album well, i just love it

A lot like me:
My personal favorite!!! Dexter's singing is AMAZING, the music is so different, can't wait to hear it live!!

Take me nowhere:
I love the chorus, the Beats me up part is great, one of the best!

Kristy..:
.........No.......

Nothingtown:
Or Want You Bad revisited.....I still dont quite get this one...

Stuff is messed up:
Love the beat, makes me happy, lyrics are so true (like always), love it!

Fix You:
Again, No....... Not a big fan of the slow ones, sorry..

...Rock Bottom:
It's ok I guess, still not sure...

Rise & Fall:
You expect Billie Joe to start singing, but the song's good!

yay
06-13-2008, 07:30 PM
Half Truism - 8/10: This song is really growing on me. I didn't think twice about it when I first heard it, but its a pretty powerful song and it sounds like it could become a fan favourite.

Trust in you - 6/10: I don't know what all the fuss is over this song. The start sounds like something of Smash, but the chorus is very bland and generic stuff that they've done a thousand times before.

You're Gonna go far Kid - 8/10: This is another song that's growing on me. It has a lot of potential to reach a wider audience than anything they did on the last album. Who couldn't like a song with a line like "Dance Fucker Dance!"

Hammerhead - 5/10: Boring and overly long. Definately should not have been selected as the first single and really is a big letdown.

A Lot Like me - 7/10: This one is really strange for The Offspring, It's not them at all. They've done a good job though considering it's out of their comfort zone and it shows off some great vocal work from Dexter (Or Noodles, whoever sings the verse).

Takes Me Nowhere - 10/10: Probably the best song on the album. This song is Offspring at their best and has the potential to become a fan classic and live staple.

Kristy are you doing Ok? - 8/10: I really like this song. I was tossing up to give it a 9/10 but I think it has the potential to become boring due to it being a soft ballad. I really think if any song is going to get mainstream attention on this album it'll be this one, and it would be a travesty to not release this as a single.

Nothingtown - 7/10: I liked this a lot more the first few times I heard it than I do now. It's a bit to Green Day like at the start, and then it becomes a poor mans version of Want you bad.

Stuff is messed up - 10/10: Classic Offspring, need I say more? I cant wait to hear this song live.

Fix You - 7/10: This song is another one full of potential to reach a wide audience, but just seems like Dexter's voice doesn't quite suit the soft background. This one might end up growing on me though.

Lets hear it for rock bottom - 8/10: This is a really fun energetic song. Even if it's not typical Offspring it is well done, and I feel it's a bit underrated.

Rise and Fall - 6/10: American Idiot with Dexter's vocals. Some of it works, some of it doesn't. Better album closer than either Conspiracy of One or When you're in Prison, but lets be honest, that really isn't saying much.

Overall I'd rate the album a solid 8/10 effort. Much better than I expected and a lot better than their last miserable effort (Splinter). In fact I'd day it's the best stuff I've heard from them since Ixnay. I'd really like to see them get some attention for this album because it would be such a shame for them to disbandon if this album flops when they sound like they are just starting up again. If they choose the right singles, this album could very well be a return to the mainstream for them.

Offspring-Junkie
06-14-2008, 02:10 AM
I love this album, it's far better than Splinter.
The songs I like most are:
Hammerhead
Trust in you
Gonna go far kid
Nothingtown
Stuff is messed up
Half Truism

The Offspring proofed to be the best band in the world!:cool:

Irhia
06-14-2008, 04:06 AM
Here is my rewiev of RAFRAG:

I have been an Offspring fan for over 15 years now. Before this album I had some hope that they might get back on track after 4 bad releases(ink the best of)
Theyre still searching for the track in my opinion, RAFRAG is a slap in the face for old Offspring fans like my self.
They start the whole show with HALF-TRUISM, and the song is good.....for about 40 seconds. The chorus is so wrong for the song.Cheesy slow power pop chorus, with a very anoying guitar in the background. TRUST IN YOU gives me a little hope here, hard hitting and in your face like the old Offspring, but also here I hear an anoying guitar n the back on the chorus. Get rid of that.
YOU'RE GONNA GO FAR, KID starts of with almost a disco beat, But it takes it self up on some parts of the song.BUt it doesent hit me in the face like I want it too.
HAMMERHEAD is a nice brake here, Original and pushy. Exept from the "bridge/outro" Its been done so many times by tons of bands before. I am really disapointet. Use a little longer time when you write songs guys, find something else to play there or cut it out.
A LOT LIKE ME is a nice try, I give them that. Very cool use of vocals. A nice change.This is a song you need to listen to a lot of times to get a hold of. The lyrics are great.
TAKES ME NOWHERE Is so boring I almost falls a sleep, a little upper on the chorus but besides from that its just not enogh.
KRISTY, ARE YOU DOING OK? No no no, what the hell is this? The vocals are bad, guitar riff is more boring than whatching paint dry. a pluss for lyrics but no thank you. I dont need a brake again, I m still waiting for the power songs!
NOTHINGTOWN is a song who has been done a million times. I am well aware that the chords and all is easy to use over and over again, and that is why it sounds like otherbands, but thats a lame exuse. If its sounds like it been done a million times, throw the song away and try again. dont record it a million times again.
STUFF IS MESSED UP has that in your face attitude again, That is good. Original and sounds like offspring.Good work.
FIX YOU. Brake again? come on guys! Give me a .....well....." a brake" here. Boring. Nice lyrics but that doesent cut it.
LET'S HEAR IT FOR ROCK BOTTOM Belive it or not, but there are a great mood on the verse here but thats about it. with american pie/Sum 41 chorus this is like I have been saying a lot here....Done before!.
RISE AND FALL, Did billie Joe produce this one? damn guys. whats the point?

So to my conclution. This album offers nothing new at all. Sounds like a "best of" album from tons of artist.
Offspring, mabye its time to say good bye and leave it. You have lost all the ability to write good and strong new songs. I know bands must go a new way from time to time, but hey take another path.
Im sure this album will sell and do good, have no doubt about that. But the problem is, its gonna get picked up by peopel who love american Idol and things like that. Peopel who the smash fans hated the most.
Im sad to say, but this is the first Offspring album I wont buy. I wont even download it. Like I said a million times before: i have heard the songs before, by other artists.

3,5/10

Thanks for your time.
Now you can start writing shit about my honest opinion.
-Tom Erik Hansen

The post of the bloody but honest truth. I love the Offspring music too. More i listen Rafag more I think that they haven't any control and choice of their music. Fucking music buisness :(
It's the first Offspring album i wont buy too; but that being said Stuff is messed up is a very good song.

(sorry if my english is bad)

icklebabygremlin
06-14-2008, 04:16 AM
A Lot Like Me - Best. Song. Ever. 11/10



im sorry, but no

DarrellOCguy
06-14-2008, 07:42 AM
Brilliant Brilliant Brilliant!!!!! The Album Is Amazing

Autonomist
06-14-2008, 08:13 AM
The Offspring were the first favourite band I ever had, and I was definitely as big a fanboy as can be in 2004-2005. Towards the end of that period however I went on to discover much better music, establish new favourite bands and for a while pretty much forgot about them. If and when I would ever return to their music and listen I wouldn't feel the same passion and dedication for it as I did at my peak. Their show at Sydney's Soundwave brought some old feelings and appreciations to the surface and now Rise and Fall, Rage and Grace has done it again. I couldn't possibly be any happier to say that I am so fucking proud of The Offspring for making this record. I'll write that again in a new paragraph in case you missed it.

I am so fucking proud of The Offspring for making this record.

Half-Truism;
The ring-out of the "beyond slings and arrows that rain on our minds" line is fantastic, I can't get enough of it. The verses are definitely something strong, it's just the chorus I hate and can't get past. I'd like to thank the reviewer who said much the same thing earlier for helping me pinpoint what it is about this song that's stopping me from loving the hell out of it. 6/10.

Trust in You;
This song is everything that it needs to be, nothing more and nothing less. Calling it the best might have been a little overzealous but there's no denying it's one of the definitive moments of this album. The breakdown is epic and Dexter's ability in dragging out the long notes in the chrous is very impressive. 9/10.

You're Gonna Go Far, Kid;
Loving this a hell of a lot at the moment. Despite initially linking this with that shitty Good Charlotte song that was popular around this time last year this one has shone through as one of my favourites. Chorus is great (Dance fucker dance / man I never had a chance), in fact all of the vocals are. Among the catchiest stuff the band has ever come up with. 9/10.

Hammerhead;
70+ plays in a bit over a month doesn't lie. I've probably listened to this one a few too many times now, but that doesn't change it from remaining perhaps the masterpiece on the album. If I was to fault anything about this at all it would be the inclusion of the guitar ringing out at the end of the track, pretty much unnecessary. The other 4 and a half minutes of the song is completely untouchable. Among their best singles and the best work they've ever done. 10/10.

A Lot Like Me;
The Offspring do Linkin Park songs better than faggot Linkin Park do. Dexter's vocals are so strong throughout this whole track, it's really admirable. I feel like I should be ashamed to like this because of the undeniable similarity to the band mentioned earlier but I'm not. In fact I'm proud to say I really like this a lot. I don't know what it is but there's definitely something to it that makes me keep coming back to it, and I'm enjoying that a lot. 8/10.

Takes Me Nowhere;
Greatness. 8/10.

Kirsty, Are You Doing Okay?;
Much better than I expected. I don't disagree with sentiments that it sounds like a song anyone could've written, but it's simple enough that it works. Nothing electrifying but nothing offensive. The lyrics about Kirsty being a flower that won't bloom make me cringe due to the lame of such a statement and I feel that the reprisal chorus at the end should've been a power step-up rather than just a repetition. Nice and easily enjoyable. 7/10.

Nothingtown;
Filler. 5/10.

Stuff Is Messed Up;
I thought this was pretty much the greatest thing ever when I first heard it at the start of the week. Now I'm skipping it. Initially it's very enjoyable but it grew old on me much faster than any of the other songs. The "la la la la la" chorus is annoying as hell, but it does get points for being a good laugh and a good listen for the first couple of days. 7/10.

Fix You;
Had a bit of trouble appreciating this at first but it seems to have grown on me over the afternoon. I was really terrified of both the ballads after reading all the negativity about them on here and I guess I'm just glad to have found out that neither of them are unlistenable or incredible cringe. It's a bit of a leap to accept The Offspring as the sort of band that does these sort of songs, but if I absolutely had to I think I could get use to it. I really hope I don't though. While both of the ballads are at least acceptable efforts I don't think they play to the band's strengths. 6/10.

Let's Hear It for Rock Bottom;
This one should've been the closing track. It's nicely done but I feel it goes on for a little longer than it has to. 7/10.

Rise and Fall;
Filler 2. 5/10.

Lyrics, vocals and instrumentals are all so great. It makes me want to sing and often it succeeds.

Autonomist
06-14-2008, 08:17 AM
As an afterthought I think I actually feel a bit sorry for people who are willing to immediately write this off for being too different and not give it the attention it deserves. It's especially sad when the band's own supposed lifelong fans do it however. Having said that however I do think IAmSam is being a bit too defensive/anal about people with varying opinions. You can't win 'em all mate.

maxiloader
06-14-2008, 08:40 AM
Half Truism - 10/10
Trust In You - 9/10
You're Gonna Go Far, Kid - 10/10
Hammerhead - 9/10
A Lot Like Me - 10/10
Takes Me Nowhere - 9/10
Kristy, Are You Doing Okay? 9/10
Nothingtown - 8/10
Stuff Is Messed Up - 8/10
Fix You 9/10
Let's Hear It For Rock Bottom - 9/10
Rise And Fall - 9/10

Overall - 9/10

IamSam
06-14-2008, 10:03 AM
As an afterthought I think I actually feel a bit sorry for people who are willing to immediately write this off for being too different and not give it the attention it deserves. It's especially sad when the band's own supposed lifelong fans do it however. Having said that however I do think IAmSam is being a bit too defensive/anal about people with varying opinions. You can't win 'em all mate.

True. I came back into this thread because I noticed you wrote one of these and I was curious. What annoys me is people that automatically assume that they 'sold out' or are getting soft or are doing the bidding of the record company. Or whatever other rubbish there is. If they read the LA Times article then they wouldn't be saying this. Or if they had an open mind.

SyLeS
06-14-2008, 10:34 AM
After Listening to the Album like 3 times over, heres my review

Half Truism - Awesome way to open a CD this song has the best sound to it, nearly perfect song 9.5/10

Trust in You - Wow.. I don't even know what to say, the First time i heard this song I was just blown away. It honestly just gives me the best vibe, This is For sure my Favorite song on the CD 10/10

You're Gonna Go Far Kid - This is one song i was unsure of the first time i heard it, But after Listening to it a Couple times, it grew on me 9.5/10

Hammerhead - This is one of the heaviest songs off the CD, I don't Think it needs much explanation 10/10

A Lot Like Me - The Vocals in this song are Unbelievable, This is one of my favorites. Its so different from everything Offspring has ever done. 10/10

Takes Me Nowhere - I Thought i would really like this song, but i don't know i just did'nt ever get that into it. Don't Get me wrong its a great song but just not the best. 8/10

Kristy, Are You Doing Ok? - As Much as i love the sensitive subject of this song, i just don't like the song i cant get into it... 6.5/10

Nothingtown - I really like this song it has a great Greenday, Nimrod Vibe to it.
Also Gregs Bass solo kicks ass! ;)

Stuff is Messed Up - Wow! this is great, I love the Subject of this song, and the vocals in this song are Amazing and Powerful. One of my Favorites. 10/10

Fix You - The first time i heard this song i was like, "Oh no..." but after listening to it about three times, i have come to love it. 9/10

Lets Hear it For Rock Bottom - I love the Ska influence on this song, it has such a relaxing vibe to it, and an extremely Catchy Chorus! 10/10

Rise and Fall - Like Everyone else i was hoping for this song to be extremely Heavy. To be honest i was a little Dissapointed but i got over that, and I have come to like this song. 8.5/10



Overall - I am definately Satisfied with this CD, The only thing i could ask for is for it to have a couple more songs. I mean didn't dexter say in a journal that they demoed like 23 songs? I just wish it had a couple more songs.
But with that aside, This is a wonderful CD, its their best since Ixnay.

Subsidal
06-14-2008, 10:46 AM
Half Truism - 10
Trust In You - 10
You're Gonna Go Far, Kid - 10
Hammerhead - 9
A Lot Like Me - 10
Takes Me Nowhere - 10
Kristy, Are You Doing Okay? 10
Nothingtown - 9
Stuff Is Messed Up - 10
Fix You 10
Let's Hear It For Rock Bottom - 8
Rise And Fall - 9

I just love this album. It's probably the best I've ever heard. Offspring are getting better with every new record.

Captiosus
06-14-2008, 10:46 AM
True. I came back into this thread because I noticed you wrote one of these and I was curious. What annoys me is people that automatically assume that they 'sold out' or are getting soft or are doing the bidding of the record company. Or whatever other rubbish there is. If they read the LA Times article then they wouldn't be saying this. Or if they had an open mind.

As I posted in my review - there's always a certain set of fans who expect an album to sound like their favorite album ever. Compare the flaming here to what happened when Metallica's Load came out. It's basically the same situation regarding the amount of time the respective bands were "out of the scene": roughly 5 years (Metallica: 1991-1996; Offspring: 2003-2008.)

There are quite a number of people who are very closed-minded when it comes to music and if it doesn't sound exactly like "the old stuff", they write it off. That's they're prerogative but I'm glad they don't run the music business otherwise it would be on hell of a bland world of the same prepackaged shit, over and over again.

I like RAFRAG for what it is. A good album and good music. I'm sorry if people dislike it, but that's they're choice.

-----

That said, I can't help but feel there's a serious contradiction in the LA Times article. On one hand, Dexter says that they're writing music that they want to hear and play - music they like, not for the sake of selling albums. This is great and I think any successful band should adopt this view. But on the other hand, they employ an industry giant like Bob Rock to advise them.

The article says Bob Rock "guided them to less tidy songs that take more structural chances" and I respectfully disagree about the latter part of that sentence. There are a lot more structural changes in tracks in Smash and Ixnay than there are in RAFRAG. Maybe I'm just a Bob Rock hater (see my post earlier in this thread), but I'm fairly confident in my belief that he guided them more towards making something that was a "safe bet", something that would sell, as he's done with every band he's been involved with.

Add to this that Rick Rubin, the chairman of Columbia Records (and we know what corporate chairs are there to do: sell as many albums as possible to get the most money as possible), was in the mix and it's a huge contradiction. Dexter wanted to make music he wanted to listen to and play whereas Rock and Rubin wanted the second coming of Offspring to line their coffers so they gladly "lent" their advice and expertise to the band.

This, in no way, devalues the album. It's great minus a track or two that is too much like fellow pop-punk acts. But if Dexter truly wants to make music that is their own (and I believe he is sincere in that article regarding this point), he'd be well served to start producing his own albums and dump these long standing industry pundits whose primary goal is to sell albums and make profit. No doubt Dexter is skilled and smart enough to step into the producer role.

Little_Miss_1565
06-14-2008, 11:04 AM
This, in no way, devalues the album. It's great minus a track or two that is too much like fellow pop-punk acts. But if Dexter truly wants to make music that is their own (and I believe he is sincere in that article regarding this point), he'd be well served to start producing his own albums and dump these long standing industry pundits whose primary goal is to sell albums and make profit. No doubt Dexter is skilled and smart enough to step into the producer role.


No no no. I think what you're presupposing is that good music and popular, millions-selling music are two separate things. In today's music industry, they are not.

The cool thing about the rise of the internet is that it has democratized the landscape. No longer are we limited only to hearing what the labels have the marketing budgets to shove down our throats. We now have the ability to ignore that shit entirely, hop on MySpace, Facebook, imeem, iLike, ReverbNation, or what have you, and find something really really good, and e-mail that link out to all our friends. This is how labels can spend millions on an act and still have them fail--because the act wasn't very good to begin with.

Dexter is certainly smart enough to step into the producer role. But having created an album with a band myself, sometimes the ideas you have are limited. You're limited by the boundaries of your own head. Sometimes you need someone from the outside to come in and shake things up a bit. If you want to make the best album that you can possibly make, you'll do whatever it takes.

I don't think it's a contradiction at all to bring in Rick Rubin and Bob Rock. Bands they have worked with have sold gazillions because they've helped bands create the best albums of their entire careers, not because they've radically changed their sound and made them a tidy package that is easily bought and sold. The LA Times article stated that Bob Rock made them *LESS POPPY* and tidy.

The thing that I really got the feeling from in the making of this record is that they're making this album for themselves for sure, but it's not some masturbatory self-congratulating exercise. They really care about their fans, and they wanted to bring them back something totally awesome. Dexter didn't think they were doing it on their own, or with Jerry Finn (remember him?). I think he sought advice in the best places, and I'm proud of 'em. :)

Rutegard
06-14-2008, 11:22 AM
The thing that I really got the feeling from in the making of this record is that they're making this album for themselves for sure, but it's not some masturbatory self-congratulating exercise. They really care about their fans, and they wanted to bring them back something totally awesome. ....and I'm VERY proud of 'em. :)

AMEN TO THAT!!!

what else can i say?? nothing!! you just said everything there is to be said!

awesome!
cheers!



i love them!!...i'm so IN love with this band...gosh!!

keonii7
06-14-2008, 11:29 AM
I've said this before, but people are taking the songs they don't like way too seriously.

People aren't supposed to like every song on the album. I don't like every song on every album, but I still love most of their songs.
They're still my favorite band.

jacknife737
06-14-2008, 11:36 AM
I am so fucking proud of The Offspring for making this record.

This seems to sum up my feelings about the album quite nicely.

Captiosus
06-14-2008, 11:42 AM
I don't think it's a contradiction at all to bring in Rick Rubin and Bob Rock. Bands they have worked with have sold gazillions because they've helped bands create the best albums of their entire careers, not because they've radically changed their sound and made them a tidy package that is easily bought and sold. The LA Times article stated that Bob Rock made them *LESS POPPY* and tidy.

I know, I quoted the article and I respectfully disagree.

Rock may have made them less poppy in the regard of "hey, lets get this Offspring track for the next iteration of Crazy Taxi" (LOL), but he steered them directly into a safe bet that meshed well with other artists playing currently on the radio. Just as he's done with every other band he's been involved with. This is also "poppy".

I hate to beat the horse to death, but again, Metallica was no slouch when they picked up Bob Rock. Master of Puppets was a platinum seller. They were selling out tours before the Black Album became "the" Metallica album. What did Rock do for Metallica? Steered them more towards "safe" albums that meshed with current trends. That's why Rock has artists which sell gazillions of albums. He's genius when it comes to knowing the pulse of current music. Load and ReLoad were more geared towards Metal-Alternative and fit in nicely in radio rotations with such bands as Smashing Pumpkins and Bush. St. Anger was a failed attempt to capture on the angsty NuMetal that was prevalent on the radio at the time of the album's production. Funny how, in a post Bob Rock world, Metallica's new stuff they've been playing live sounds a lot like the Metallica of old - somewhere between RTL, MOP and AJFA.

In that respect, RAFRAG is typical Bob Rock at work. There's a lot of elements in the album that we've heard before and liked by other bands. And while they're done well and the album is very good, it sounds more like (and this is merely my opinion) they've released an album that will guarantee sales through sounding similar to other artists in the retail space - especially the second half of the album. I don't have any illusions that Dexter and company aren't satisfied with RAFRAG, just as Het and company were satisfied with Load and Reload, but the direction of Bob Rock is unmistakable. Hence the contradiction: If you want to make music and you genuinely do not care about how many copies it sells, you don't hire someone who is known to transform bands to be more "current" like Bob Rock.

I do agree with you, regarding the power of the internet. However, you have to admit that this is also a double edge sword. If some relative unknown is out there and makes an well established band sound "old", there's going to be an even bigger push by marketing people to change that band, for better or for worse if they keep releasing albums.

Let me bold this sentence for emphasis: I suppose at this point, we're just splitting hairs. We both agree the album is excellent. The only point on which we differ is the degree of greatness. I personally feel it's held back, at least somewhat, by Bob Rock, but on that point we'll have to agree to disagree.

Offspring Gangsta
06-14-2008, 12:57 PM
half-truism- 10/10
trust in you- 10/10
your gonna go far kid- 10/10
hammerhead- 10/10
a lot like me- 7/10
takes me nowhere- 8/10
kristy are you doing okay- 5/10
nothingtown- 6.2/10
stuff is messed up- 6/10
fix you- 2/10
lets hear it for rock bottom- 7/10
rise and fall- 6/10


the first 4 tracks r amazing. the rest isnt that good and a bit commercialized.

Moose
06-14-2008, 01:23 PM
i think the influence of rick ruben helped...

if you look at his recent works such as rhcp and even audioslave's second album, out of exile, he did a great job letting these bands reach even more potential than they already tapped into.

The Chili Pepper cd stadium arcadium has a lot of song with a lot of great instrumental work and melodies with interesting structures.

Rubin and Tom Morello clashed heads during the Out of Exile recordings, because Rubin wasn't feeling Morello's solos. That is Audioslave's best and most interesting work, but as you can tell by their third album, Morello's guitar work has gotten a little stale.

if you look at a lot of the songs on RF&RG, they have a lot of melodies, and every song (whether you like the song or not) offers something different. Most of the songs offer interesting structures and not the usual ABA structure you hear today. Also, this album has a lot better guitar work, and instrumental work, and even vocal work since the Ixnay album.

The reality of it is, if this wasn't an Offspring album, people would say it's a good album.