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bouncingcoles
06-23-2008, 10:36 AM
how come i havent seen the new album on billboard.com yet? could it be that they just havent updated the charts yet? im pretty sure the album is doing pretty well.

icklebabygremlin
06-23-2008, 10:37 AM
in the uk its 39 of 40 in the top 40 charts

medi01
06-23-2008, 11:20 AM
http://uk.launch.yahoo.com/c/uk/album_charts.html - UK music album charts - 39th

http://www.apple.com/euro/itunes/charts/top10albums.html - that has loads of countries and RAFRAG is in the top 10 for a few, peaking at 4th in Canada

Kornography17
06-23-2008, 11:37 AM
Well, RAFRAG came out on a tuesday, that is usually the day that Billboard updates the charts, if not then on wednesday. So It could be possibly that it didnt have enough time to get sales. We'll definitley see where it ends up this week. I think it should do pretty well.

medi01
06-23-2008, 12:26 PM
Well, RAFRAG came out on a tuesday, that is usually the day that Billboard updates the charts, if not then on wednesday. So It could be possibly that it didnt have enough time to get sales. We'll definitley see where it ends up this week. I think it should do pretty well.

...coldplay's viva la vida was out the same day and it seems to be everywhere, annoyingly:(

bighead384
06-23-2008, 12:39 PM
They update on Thursdays.

Kornography17
06-23-2008, 01:05 PM
They update on Thursdays.

Oh...This is bad then...

Jesus
06-23-2008, 01:20 PM
Oh...This is bad then...

Why?

123456

Kornography17
06-23-2008, 02:35 PM
Why?

123456

If tyhey couldnt even chart after 3 days of selling, then that means they sold probably less than 5 thousand copies. Thats bad...

BIG Nicky
06-23-2008, 03:06 PM
Taken from:

http://www.billboard.com/bbcom/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1003817876

"Other albums likely to make top high debuts on The Billboard 200 next week based on first-day numbers reflected on Nielsen SoundScan's Building chart are the soundtrack to Disney Channel's "Camp Rock" (Walt Disney), the Offspring's "Rise and Fall, Rage and Grace" (Columbia) and Judas Priest's "Nostradmus" (Epic)."

This article was posted on June 18th so, I guess we'll see very soon were it charts.

Little_Miss_1565
06-23-2008, 03:13 PM
If tyhey couldnt even chart after 3 days of selling, then that means they sold probably less than 5 thousand copies. Thats bad...

No album charts in the US after 3 days of sales. The numbers are released on Wednesdays, and RAFRAG will show up in Wednesday's charts since it's the chart date a week after the release date.

Dead Kennedy
06-23-2008, 03:34 PM
Taken from:

http://www.billboard.com/bbcom/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1003817876

"Other albums likely to make top high debuts on The Billboard 200 next week based on first-day numbers reflected on Nielsen SoundScan's Building chart are the soundtrack to Disney Channel's "Camp Rock" (Walt Disney), the Offspring's "Rise and Fall, Rage and Grace" (Columbia) and Judas Priest's "Nostradmus" (Epic)."

This article was posted on June 18th so, I guess we'll see very soon were it charts.
hellyeah to that!

Kornography17
06-23-2008, 05:12 PM
hellyeah to that!

I second that, and Your sig is classic :P

commonrider5447
06-23-2008, 06:24 PM
billboard noobs! hahah jk but yeah when a CD comes out on a Tuesday, you wait till the thursday of the NEXT week to see how it did, this is how it works for every album. Sometimes on the following Tuesday there is an article that talks about the sales figures of new CDs.

SO HANG TIGHT TILL NEXT WEEK AND WE WILL SEE

I think maybe 8-9 like greatest hits did but better than Splinter.

YGGFK will keep it selling

fran.182
06-24-2008, 03:45 AM
Hits Daily Double......61%


LW TW artist / album label power index
-- 1 COLDPLAY CAPITOL 576,558
VIVA LA VIDA
1 2 LIL WAYNE UNIVERSAL MOTOWN 183,533
THA CARTER III
-- 3 CAMP ROCK WALT DISNEY RECORDS 152,777
SOUNDTRACK
3 4 NOW 28 CAPITOL 63,026
VARIOUS ARTISTS
-- 5 RIHANNA DEF JAM/IDJMG 49,167
GOOD GIRL GONE BAD
4 6 USHER LAFACE/ZLG 46,328
HERE I STAND
-- 7 KATY PERRY CAPITOL 38,126
ONE OF THE BOYS
-- 8 OFFSPRING COLUMBIA 34,886[/FONT][/FONT][/B]
RISE & FALL, RAGE & GRACE
5 9 DISTURBED REPRISE 34,560
INDESTRUCTIBLE
2 10 PLIES SLIP-N-SLIDE 32,770
DEFINITION OF REAL
6 11 JOURNEY FRONTIERS 32,514
REVELATION
15 12 TAYLOR SWIFT BIG MACHINE 21,804
TAYLOR SWIFT
11 13 3 DOORS DOWN UNIVERSAL REPUBLIC 20,734
3 DOORS DOWN
14 14 LEONA LEWIS J RECORDS/RMG 20,414
SPIRIT
19 15 KID ROCK ATLANTIC 19,713



Rise and fall is expected to to do between 55,000 and 65,000 and around 5 and 9 position. That means it will sold less in first week than splinter(80,000 but #30) So tihs album will probably be out of the charts in 8 to 10 weeks and will not even go gold(500,000copies) maybe 200,000. Offspring popoularity fell very much in the last 8 years. Splinter sold 550,000 copies in US to date.

cool 2 hate 681
06-24-2008, 03:59 AM
it blows my mind that the coldplay album is so successful and who the hell is katy perry:confused:

Dead Kennedy
06-24-2008, 04:02 AM
it blows my mind that the coldplay album is so successful and who the hell is katy perry:confused:

hey,easy for you,i don't even understand what shit is written there!
why are there two number before names?

Jesus
06-24-2008, 04:10 AM
Rise and fall is expected to to do between 55,000 and 65,000 and around 5 and 9 position. That means it will sold less in first week than splinter(80,000 but #30) So tihs album will probably be out of the charts in 8 to 10 weeks and will not even go gold(500,000copies) maybe 200,000. Offspring popoularity fell very much in the last 8 years. Splinter sold 550,000 copies in US to date.
It's useless to compare actual numbers of cd's sold. Because the music industry has changed a lot. Not many people buy cd's anymore. It's better to compare'm via chart positions and to other acts. I can see You're Gonna Go Far kid boosting the album though. I hope they have a video out for that song soon.

If they release Kristy then they are fucked. Because that's not a song to release in the summer.

RonWelty
06-24-2008, 04:17 AM
It's useless to compare actual numbers of cd's sold. Because the music industry has changed a lot. Not many people buy cd's anymore. It's better to compare'm via chart positions and to other acts. I can see You're Gonna Go Far kid boosting the album though. I hope they have a video out for that song soon.

If they release Kristy then they are fucked. Because that's not a song to release in the summer.

yes, hammerhead is a good song, but not a Commercial one, YGGFK will do the job i think... and there are too the 3 power ballads, that can hit HUGE at least in EUROPE...

Jesus
06-24-2008, 04:32 AM
I love them for releasing Hammerhead as a first single though. Brilliant song, not commercial probably too hard and long for most radio stations in Europe. Might have done better with a great video though, because at least in my country they still play videos.

YGGFK is a brilliant song. Probably my favorite of the album. And it's something everyone can enjoy! ;) Lets hope for that. Fix you, Kristy or A lot like me are more songs for later in the year if they are still gonna push the album then (lets hope so).

And this might explain the early Japanese tour announcement. Number 3 on the charts there. Higher entry than Coldplay even.
http://www.oricon.co.jp/rank/ea/w/

DENIAL REVISITED
06-24-2008, 04:37 AM
Hits Daily Double......61%


LW TW artist / album label power index
-- 1 COLDPLAY CAPITOL 576,558
VIVA LA VIDA
1 2 LIL WAYNE UNIVERSAL MOTOWN 183,533
THA CARTER III
-- 3 CAMP ROCK WALT DISNEY RECORDS 152,777
SOUNDTRACK
3 4 NOW 28 CAPITOL 63,026
VARIOUS ARTISTS
-- 5 RIHANNA DEF JAM/IDJMG 49,167
GOOD GIRL GONE BAD
4 6 USHER LAFACE/ZLG 46,328
HERE I STAND
-- 7 KATY PERRY CAPITOL 38,126
ONE OF THE BOYS
-- 8 OFFSPRING COLUMBIA 34,886[/FONT][/FONT][/B]
RISE & FALL, RAGE & GRACE
5 9 DISTURBED REPRISE 34,560
INDESTRUCTIBLE
2 10 PLIES SLIP-N-SLIDE 32,770
DEFINITION OF REAL
6 11 JOURNEY FRONTIERS 32,514
REVELATION
15 12 TAYLOR SWIFT BIG MACHINE 21,804
TAYLOR SWIFT
11 13 3 DOORS DOWN UNIVERSAL REPUBLIC 20,734
3 DOORS DOWN
14 14 LEONA LEWIS J RECORDS/RMG 20,414
SPIRIT
19 15 KID ROCK ATLANTIC 19,713



Rise and fall is expected to to do between 55,000 and 65,000 and around 5 and 9 position. That means it will sold less in first week than splinter(80,000 but #30) So tihs album will probably be out of the charts in 8 to 10 weeks and will not even go gold(500,000copies) maybe 200,000. Offspring popoularity fell very much in the last 8 years. Splinter sold 550,000 copies in US to date.

I just love people that speculate what a genius.

HeadAroundU
06-24-2008, 05:40 AM
it blows my mind that the coldplay album is so successful and who the hell is katy perry:confused:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_2JZzFMsuk

8==================================D

fran.182
06-24-2008, 07:05 AM
hey,easy for you,i don't even understand what shit is written there!
why are there two number before names?

last week score in last week of hits daily double

fran.182
06-24-2008, 07:08 AM
It's useless to compare actual numbers of cd's sold. Because the music industry has changed a lot. Not many people buy cd's anymore. It's better to compare'm via chart positions and to other acts. I can see You're Gonna Go Far kid boosting the album though. I hope they have a video out for that song soon.

If they release Kristy then they are fucked. Because that's not a song to release in the summer.

You're gonna go far has been around #55 and #63 in Itunes top 100 songs in US. So it's possible that it charts in Hot 100 this week. It's rising in airplay

Hammerhead is fell in airplay and will be dificult to chart in Hot 100
It's currently #116 counting with Bubbling Under Hot 100

fran.182
06-24-2008, 07:11 AM
I just love people that speculate what a genius.

is not speculating...is saying what will almost certainly happen...cause i have facts....things can of course change...if one of the singles from the record become comercial sucessful....

Bodom J
06-24-2008, 08:31 AM
who the hell cares how much this album sales? Since when did a band become good only if they sell? if you like it, then you like, i don't give a flying fuck how many copies it sold. I know it sold at least one (the one I bought) so that's all that matters to me.

Little_Miss_1565
06-24-2008, 08:33 AM
You can't really compare the chart success of Spinter vs. RAFRAG or any other album of theirs, really. There are so many fewer CDs being sold right now than 5 years ago, and even then there were so many fewer CDs being sold from 5 years before that. Also, there aren't any American tour dates announced other than a couple festival dates so I'd say the sales are really good. Let's hear it for a U.S. tour! ;)

Rutegard
06-24-2008, 08:34 AM
is not speculating...is saying what will almost certainly happen...cause i have facts....things can of course change...if one of the singles from the record become comercial sucessful....

and we sure don't want that!!

i want them to have enough money and lots of success but...i do not want comercial singles eheh

fran.182
06-24-2008, 09:13 AM
who the hell cares how much this album sales? Since when did a band become good only if they sell? if you like it, then you like, i don't give a flying fuck how many copies it sold. I know it sold at least one (the one I bought) so that's all that matters to me.

Me...i want the band to be sucessful and sell million copies...cause i like the music

Rutegard
06-24-2008, 09:14 AM
Me...i want the band to be sucessful and sell million copies...cause i like the music

yeah come one!!

greg needs to buy a golf resort!

Thomas
06-24-2008, 09:34 AM
I want the album to do well so I can get more videos out of this album.

Jaded skies
06-24-2008, 09:38 AM
yeah come one!!

greg needs to buy a golf resort!
He needs money to start his book about how big his penis is.

RazielSR
06-24-2008, 09:42 AM
Well, of course we don't want The offspring as a commercial shit. But if they have success, we'll have a lot of singles like americana era...and that rocks.

I think everything is doing fine, but people sometimes loves to speculate.

brothadave79
06-24-2008, 09:42 AM
He needs money to start his book about how big his penis is.

Shit, I'd buy it.

maplejet
06-24-2008, 11:17 AM
Well...the scenery has changed...it's really tough to go platinum...or even gold in an age where the album is dying. You really have to rape the top 40 station or adult contemporary station in order to get a chance at platinum. A lot of albums are struggling...and only last week did we see the first time an album took in a million records in the States in the first weak (Lil Wayne's Tha Carter III).


As for The Offspring, if their second or third single becomes a mega-hit, it can drive sales for the album right back up, like what happened with American Idiot after Boulevard of Broken Dreams was released.

DENIAL REVISITED
06-24-2008, 12:32 PM
is not speculating...is saying what will almost certainly happen...cause i have facts....things can of course change...if one of the singles from the record become comercial sucessful....

thus speculation

the album will sell more than 200,000 copies in the u.s

jacknife737
06-24-2008, 03:39 PM
Offspring popoularity fell very much in the last 8 years.

It has more to do with the changing nature of the recording industry. RAFRAG has enough "single worthy" tracks to keep it in the charts, and i still hold it will sell more then Splinter eventually.

Kornography17
06-24-2008, 04:29 PM
only last week did we see the first time an album took in a million records in the States in the first weak (Lil Wayne's Tha Carter III).

Wrong, Limp Bizkit's "Chocolate Starfish And The Hotdog Flavored Water" sold 1.05 million copies in its first week, this took place in November of 2000 http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,85668,00.html

Dirty Magic
06-24-2008, 09:13 PM
Wrong, Limp Bizkit's "Chocolate Starfish And The Hotdog Flavored Water" sold 1.05 million copies in its first week, this took place in November of 2000 http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,85668,00.html

I believe they meant to say in the last 3 years. And it appears that RAFRAG was number 10

http://www.billboard.biz/bbbiz/content_display/industry/e3i39a618183fe30fd5c67c4fffdf617119

Kornography17
06-25-2008, 09:02 AM
Awesome, I was a little worried, although chart wise, thats their 2nd lowest chart, hopefully sales wise it will be a good one.

Tommyboy
06-25-2008, 04:52 PM
Just checked Billboard. As we already know it finished #10 but they only sold 46,000 copies.

Little_Miss_1565
06-25-2008, 07:52 PM
As I said before, for not having any tour dates announced in the states yet 46K is really good for the first week. Every band is having their lowest sales ever right now.

Zee
06-25-2008, 10:04 PM
Number #12 in here...

I don't like the reactions of Kristy being the song played here on the radio... what people are telling here... like Jesus said, if they release it they are fucked. Well, they did that in here, it's played as the status of new Offspring stuff, and it doesn't do good. Really. It gets away all the people who expected to hear the original Offspring, yet doesn't bring much. Simple Plan referations, "what happened to The Offspring"... you know that stuff.

The shame is that some people make their conlusions just about that one specific song, because that's a lot played now and Hammerhead wasn't for example.

IamSam
06-25-2008, 10:40 PM
10 is pretty good for them being away so long and the music scene being what it is now.

RazielSR
06-26-2008, 02:05 AM
But let's see...some people say YGGF,K is in the radios, and some people say Kristy... ¿? Maybe one for different countries/zones?

Is almost clear that YGGF, K is gonna be the next single, right?

Budzy
06-26-2008, 02:12 AM
yeah it peaked no.2 on aus itunes i think.
now its off the list.
i still dont know why ppl download shit from itunes. i used to go on itunes and find the tracklisting, then hop off to limewire and dl it. haha

effreyj
06-26-2008, 05:12 AM
Billboard updated. The album is #4 of rock cds and #10 overall.

Stylie
06-26-2008, 06:28 AM
Billboard updated. The album is #4 of rock cds and #10 overall.

That isn't too bad?

Rutegard
06-26-2008, 06:32 AM
Billboard updated. The album is #4 of rock cds and #10 overall.

that's fucking good right?

Kornography17
06-26-2008, 07:04 AM
Eh rather dissapointing sales but still, I'm not surprised. And I really feel guilty that I didnt buy it. I got it off limewire. ( I cant afford stuff cause I cant get a fucking job) Dont hurt me :-(

RonWelty
06-26-2008, 07:20 AM
I like they don't sell too much, they are now UNDERGROUND STUFF...i like it!

Marco
06-26-2008, 08:07 AM
It was 10# on iTunes Italy, no it's 20# :confused::(:mad:

maplejet
06-26-2008, 11:03 AM
I checked billboards and it is at #10. Sales are going to be lower than before due to high piracy rates, but man, this isn't good. Offspring better hope their next 2 singles pulls them back on track.

Rutegard
06-26-2008, 01:28 PM
mmaaannnn......

Ninty Man
06-26-2008, 05:14 PM
Fuck you coldplay, fucking fuck you fuck fuckers

offspring kid
06-26-2008, 05:20 PM
http://www.billboard.com/bbcom/charts/chart_display.jsp?g=Singles&f=Hot+Modern+Rock+Tracks

Hammerhead is on #2

Ninty Man
06-26-2008, 05:22 PM
http://www.billboard.com/bbcom/charts/chart_display.jsp?g=Singles&f=Hot+Modern+Rock+Tracks

Hammerhead is on #2

MMM well... that's good...

who's number one (ninty awaits patiently while Youporn video downloads)...

Weezer... uh... Not bad

ShutUpYouFuckingMime
06-26-2008, 06:18 PM
Eh rather dissapointing sales but still, I'm not surprised. And I really feel guilty that I didnt buy it. I got it off limewire. ( I cant afford stuff cause I cant get a fucking job) Dont hurt me :-(

I'm the same. It's cool. My survival is a higher priority than making an already rich band popular again. Bills are so much fun. I'd like to buy it whenever I get any extra money, but I still need to put new rotors on my car which is a higher priority. I can't even manage to have money for THAT. It'll be a while before I have a physical copy of the cd. In the mean time, I spread the album via word of mouth which led to my sister buying it; so I indirectly contributed to their sales.

crrrN
06-26-2008, 06:40 PM
2 fans who dont buy the album wont affect the sales. You dont have the impact. So dont feel too important and bummed out at the same time. ; )

Little_Miss_1565
06-26-2008, 11:16 PM
I like they don't sell too much, they are now UNDERGROUND STUFF...i like it!

....no.

100 albums a week, then okay, call them underground again. But you don't debut in the top 10 on the Billboard 200 if you're an underground band.

Smash punker
06-27-2008, 04:52 AM
Fuck charts! Punks not dead! :D

ThunderPX
06-27-2008, 05:11 AM
Bah, Weezer totally cheated with their video. ;)

Ninty Man
06-27-2008, 09:40 AM
....no.

100 albums a week, then okay, call them underground again. But you don't debut in the top 10 on the Billboard 200 if you're an underground band.

quoted for infinity truth

noodlesdec25
06-27-2008, 01:02 PM
awsome news http://www.billboard.com/bbcom/charts/chart_display.jsp?g=Albums&f=The+Billboard+200

Also #4 at the rock albums chart, #5 at the digital albums chart

Offpring is doing really good with rise and fall

Rutegard
06-27-2008, 01:09 PM
that's great,.....

i hope it will last

Hypodermic_89
06-27-2008, 01:34 PM
Sweet :) dapfaodöskajer

Alex101
06-27-2008, 01:50 PM
Absolutely great...

Stylie
06-27-2008, 03:18 PM
Fuck charts! Punks not dead! :D

I love that sentence. xD
Well, it's not 100% punk, but still, The Offspring would be considering (?) as a punk/punk rock/pop punk band. ...and I love that.

Yeah, hope they do it good with this album. That would be great, awesome.
Btw, Coldplay's album is on norwegian TV now with a commericial (is that rght word?).

commonrider5447
06-27-2008, 03:44 PM
from billboard:

"The Offspring's first album in five years, "Rise and Fall, Rage and Grace" (Columbia), debuts at No. 10 with 46,000. The veteran rock act's 2003 album "Splinter" peaked at No. 30. "

ugh. 46k is really weak, I know splinter peaked at #30 but it opened with like 60-80k, and didnt have a video got hit that. I hope YGGFK will help boost Offspring or I doubt this CD will even go Gold like Splinter did :(

Its too bad bc this CD is really awesome. Even my friends who never liked Offspring love this CD

jacknife737
06-27-2008, 11:48 PM
ugh. 46k is really weak, I know splinter peaked at #30 but it opened with like 60-80k, and didnt have a video got hit that.

Again, that came out in 2003, which in the current state of the recording industry, makes it a dinosaur. Top 10 debut is great, no matter how you look at it.

Obie2trice
06-28-2008, 01:43 AM
Again, that came out in 2003, which in the current state of the recording industry, makes it a dinosaur. Top 10 debut is great, no matter how you look at it.

That`s right, 50K is the new 200K these days.

And you gotta add-up all the digital downloads they sold

fran.182
06-28-2008, 10:00 AM
Fuck you coldplay, fucking fuck you fuck fuckers

coldplay are awesome shut the f.ck up

fran.182
06-28-2008, 10:09 AM
Again, that came out in 2003, which in the current state of the recording industry, makes it a dinosaur. Top 10 debut is great, no matter how you look at it.


if i said to you that foo fighters debuted with 165,000 copies last september

disturbed opened with 250,000
weezer with 126,000 in
3 doors down with 154,000
death cab for cutie 144,000
coldplay 721,000

all of those this year

you are probably insane cause 46,000 is very low....for a band that went 5xplatinum with americana or 6xplatinum with smash

this album will sell very bad...probably this will only sell around 200,000 copies in us this year....and i'm being optimistic....

splinter opened with 86,000 but it already sold very bad(590,000 to date) and in 2003 sales still huge...it was around 2005 sales had a big fall

so i think you're not right

a band like offspring should do 100,000 in first week minimum

The Search Button
06-28-2008, 10:16 AM
if i said to you that foo fighters debuted with 165,000 copies last september

disturbed opened with 250,000
weezer with 126,000 in
3 doors down with 154,000
death cab for cutie 144,000
coldplay 721,000

all of those this year

you are probably insane cause 46,000 is very low....for a band that went 5xplatinum with americana or 6xplatinum with smash

this album will sell very bad...probably this will only sell around 200,000 copies in us this year....and i'm being optimistic....

splinter opened with 86,000 but it already sold very bad(590,000 to date) and in 2003 sales still huge...it was around 2005 sales had a big fall

so i think you're not right

a band like offspring should do 100,000 in first week minimum

Fuck that shit. They could have sold only one copy(mine) and they would still rock.

I don't care if people don't buy/hear TheOffspring anymore. I do. And I love it. They just don't know what the fuck they are losing.

Obviously I want them to have all the success they deserve. But fuck, they already had their limelight. They don't need MTV attention anymore. And I doubt they want it either...

Little_Miss_1565
06-28-2008, 10:19 AM
The Offspring haven't toured the US or been on TV or done a fuckton of the things that all those bands you listed have done in a very long time. Expecting them to sell 100K first week when they are touring overseas is ludicrous.

There are all kinds of things -- tour, radio play (especially Active Rock radio play), TV exposure, and press coverage -- that drive sales. The bands you listed had all these things in way bigger amounts than the Offspring currently do. Doing 46K after 5 years without a tour, I will repeat for the millionth time, is really pretty good.

I used to work for a record label, I know this shit. Not kidding.

drummerbecca
06-28-2008, 10:22 AM
They don't need MTV attention anymore. And I doubt they want it either...

A-fucking-men.

Rutegard
06-28-2008, 12:20 PM
portuguese chart

RFRG at # 24

IamSam
06-28-2008, 01:04 PM
The Offspring haven't toured the US or been on TV or done a fuckton of the things that all those bands you listed have done in a very long time. Expecting them to sell 100K first week when they are touring overseas is ludicrous.

There are all kinds of things -- tour, radio play (especially Active Rock radio play), TV exposure, and press coverage -- that drive sales. The bands you listed had all these things in way bigger amounts than the Offspring currently do. Doing 46K after 5 years without a tour, I will repeat for the millionth time, is really pretty good.

I used to work for a record label, I know this shit. Not kidding.

Listen to her. She speaks the truth!

OnSpring!
06-28-2008, 01:26 PM
N.27 in Italy

Jack-UK
06-28-2008, 02:48 PM
RaFRaG @ 39 in UK from last week's chart. Tomorrow evening it will be updated and i'll let ya know.

Hammerhead isnt even in the top 40 :S

jacknife737
06-28-2008, 02:59 PM
if i said to you that foo fighters debuted with 165,000 copies last september

disturbed opened with 250,000
weezer with 126,000 in
3 doors down with 154,000
death cab for cutie 144,000
coldplay 721,000

all of those this year

you are probably insane cause 46,000 is very low....for a band that went 5xplatinum with americana or 6xplatinum with smash

this album will sell very bad...probably this will only sell around 200,000 copies in us this year....and i'm being optimistic....

splinter opened with 86,000 but it already sold very bad(590,000 to date) and in 2003 sales still huge...it was around 2005 sales had a big fall


And all of those bands you listed have been very prominent in the music scene in recent years, whilist the Offspring haven't; the Offspring haven't even had a major tour in North America since the 05 Warped Tour. If Coldplay’s record came out 5 years ago, it probably would have sold over a million in its first week, but it didn't. And i'm always amazed that people consider Splinter, an album that went Gold to have sold "badly".

commonrider5447
06-28-2008, 03:06 PM
And all of those bands you listed have been very prominent in the music scene in recent years, whilist the Offspring haven't; the Offspring haven't even had a major tour in North America since the 05 Warped Tour. If Coldplay’s record came out 5 years ago, it probably would have sold over a million in its first week, but it didn't. And i'm always amazed that people consider Splinter, an album that went Gold to have sold "badly".

I agree. Yeah Splinter did not sell badly. a Gold record is something to be proud of. They only had two singles off that CD too, Hit that and CGMHAY. I really do hope that sales pick up once YGGFK hits more radio stations and they have a real video

Still Im sure the band is proud of their record bc it fricken rocks and they can see us fans really like it. Also Hammerhead gets an amazing reception live

Ninty Man
06-28-2008, 07:45 PM
To the guy who claim me about mi opinion of coldplay: fuck you, you won't tell me what to think about a lame band in my opinion.

Second: I hope offspring could get better sales

Thomas
06-28-2008, 08:39 PM
The Offspring haven't toured the US or been on TV or done a fuckton of the things that all those bands you listed have done in a very long time. Expecting them to sell 100K first week when they are touring overseas is ludicrous.

There are all kinds of things -- tour, radio play (especially Active Rock radio play), TV exposure, and press coverage -- that drive sales. The bands you listed had all these things in way bigger amounts than the Offspring currently do. Doing 46K after 5 years without a tour, I will repeat for the millionth time, is really pretty good.

I used to work for a record label, I know this shit. Not kidding.

If everyone reads this, then...well.... You'll be a better person...or something...



Personally, the onl reason i want this album to be HUGE is so I can get 4 or 5 music videos out of it. I'm a greedy bastard, but i don't care.

Budzy
06-28-2008, 10:26 PM
If everyone reads this, then...well.... You'll be a better person...or something...



Personally, the onl reason i want this album to be HUGE is so I can get 4 or 5 music videos out of it. I'm a greedy bastard, but i don't care.

yep yep.
i want some more offspring airplay. triple m in melbourne here has started playing alot of offspring. theyre playing self esteem/ pretty fly/ come out and play/ original prankster almost every day. at 10 past nine in the morning they have been playing hammerheard for the last 4 mornings.
hopefully yggfk will have a good vid and the sales will rise through the roof. hopefully it doesnt rise and fall (hehe, swish!).

Little_Miss_1565
06-28-2008, 10:33 PM
I really like that I can hear the Offspring on the radio a lot again now. Here's hoping for even more! :)

Ninty Man
06-28-2008, 10:45 PM
If everyone reads this, then...well.... You'll be a better person...or something...



Personally, the onl reason i want this album to be HUGE is so I can get 4 or 5 music videos out of it. I'm a greedy bastard, but i don't care.

MMM... Well... I think a video Of kristy, Halftruism, You're gonna far kid, rise and fall and... WHY THE FUCK NOT, trust in you wouldn't harm anyone

Budzy
06-28-2008, 10:51 PM
yeah even if they do just a cant repeat style for half truism or something. as long as they put themselves in a video for once. not like hit that and hammerhead. i dont mind hit that but hammerhead was disgraceful and i cant believe they even bothered to make one. all i say was walking pigs and i flicked it off. 'fuck that'
*saw

Ninty Man
06-28-2008, 10:55 PM
yeah even if they do just a cant repeat style for half truism or something. as long as they put themselves in a video for once. not like hit that and hammerhead. i dont mind hit that but hammerhead was disgraceful and i cant believe they even bothered to make one. all i say was walking pigs and i flicked it off. 'fuck that'
*saw

I have to agree... I don't see it on MTV and personally I don't wanna see it again

Jack-UK
06-29-2008, 05:08 AM
On the radio topic.. Just thought i'd share that i was in a Limo on friday night, on my way to my prom, as soon as we got in, we whacked on the radio and Pretty Fly came on ;)

ShutUpYouFuckingMime
06-29-2008, 05:23 AM
I'd like to see vids for Half-Truism, You're Gonna Go Far, Kid, A Lot Like Me, and Kristy, Are You Doing Okay? All of these songs should definitely be singles. Trust in You is probably my favorite song on the album but I don't see it doing that well as a single. The album will sell very well if the songs I mentioned are. Definitely.

MAXTER
06-29-2008, 09:24 AM
I'd like to see vids for Half-Truism, You're Gonna Go Far, Kid, A Lot Like Me, and Kristy, Are You Doing Okay? All of these songs should definitely be singles. Trust in You is probably my favorite song on the album but I don't see it doing that well as a single. The album will sell very well if the songs I mentioned are. Definitely.




I Agree with You 100%

Thomas
06-29-2008, 11:27 PM
I just noticed that The Offspring have over 4 times more friends on myspace than they have records sold.


This is either really pathetic or a really good sign that many more people will buy the new album.

one hundred punks
06-30-2008, 12:22 AM
They are not selective. Your username could be Adolf Hitler Bin-Laden and you would be added. I don't think the band maintains their friends list.

Tonza
06-30-2008, 10:51 AM
Let's take a look at last week's Last.fm a.k.a Audioscrobbler charts:

"Top tracks (http://www.last.fm/music/+charts/track/)"
#266 Hammerhead (110 positions down)
#318 TKAA (19 positions down)

"Top artists (http://www.last.fm/music/+charts/artist/)"
#28 The Offspring (4 positions down)

Not looking very good...seems like they peaked on place 24 and Hammerhead on place 156. I was hoping them to make it better this week. Last week there were YGGFK and some other songs from this new album on the chart too.

rlplaymaker
06-30-2008, 11:12 AM
In all honesty, after I listened to the album all the way through, I developed a theory.

This album will take off, after " You're gonna go far, kid" get out. Its more poppy,yet still driving and rock0worthy, so everyone will go for it. All of my friends who, you know, like the offspring but arent fanatical fans like me, all of them have told me YGGFK is their fav. song on the album. Thats my theory.

brothadave79
06-30-2008, 01:07 PM
In all honesty, after I listened to the album all the way through, I developed a theory.

This album will take off, after " You're gonna go far, kid" get out. Its more poppy,yet still driving and rock0worthy, so everyone will go for it. All of my friends who, you know, like the offspring but arent fanatical fans like me, all of them have told me YGGFK is their fav. song on the album. Thats my theory.


I agree. A friend of mine who isn't a fan of the band, but finds RAFRAG to be very catchy, was listening to the album with me. When she heard YGGFK, she told me, "that has to be a single!" I think it would pique the interest of a lot of radio listeners.

Stylie
06-30-2008, 01:38 PM
Why isn't YGGF,K released as single yet!?

The Search Button
06-30-2008, 01:44 PM
Why isn't YGGF,K released as single yet!?

'Cause they need to prepare the world first.

IamSam
06-30-2008, 01:55 PM
'Cause they need to prepare the world first.

Everyone who hasn't heard it needs to clean out their bowels before hearing 'Kid' or else they are liable to poop themselves.

bhg_rulz2
06-30-2008, 02:05 PM
The Offspring - Rise and Fall, Rage and Grace

is at number 10 on it first week on "hot 200"

=D

Ninty Man
07-03-2008, 04:56 PM
http://www.billboard.com/bbcom/charts/chart_display.jsp?JSESSIONID=VJkJLtYCQJBbpqvfr2ynG P2GLQT3Z4FzXcDkgR7mZKGjn5J2grkv!1870602289&f=The+Billboard+200&pageNumber=Top+11-50&g=Albums

MMM... that's not good

jacknife737
07-03-2008, 05:23 PM
Meh, its not that bad. I didn't really expect it to stay in the top 10 anyways, it'll probably pick up a bit when Kid starts getting more airplay.

Plus, this didn't really deserve it's own thread, should have just updated the other one.

TeddyBear_Army
07-03-2008, 06:23 PM
does anyone have the sales numbers?

jacknife737
07-03-2008, 06:36 PM
does anyone have the sales numbers?

Probably around 80 000 after two weeks (in North America).

rise_and_fall
07-03-2008, 08:26 PM
It's still doing well in the Australian Charts
http://www.ariacharts.com.au/pages/charts_display_album.asp?chart=1G50

Budzy
07-03-2008, 08:38 PM
It's still doing well in the Australian Charts
http://www.ariacharts.com.au/pages/charts_display_album.asp?chart=1G50

zzz...
u should change ur sig to "coldplay suck on fags"
but its good to see offspring 3rd. im happy with that.

Rutegard
07-04-2008, 12:47 PM
they are out on the top 30 in portugal LOL

just stayed a week at # 24!

Ninty Man
07-04-2008, 09:46 PM
Probably around 80 000 after two weeks (in North America).

MMM Well... maybe they will sell 500000 global

jacknife737
07-04-2008, 11:57 PM
MMM Well... maybe they will sell 500000 global

Remember not every record sells a lot near the start; it took Smash a little while to get going. Happens with lots of records.

Ninty Man
07-05-2008, 12:09 AM
Remember not every record sells a lot near the start; it took Smash a little while to get going. Happens with lots of records.

I really wanted that the guys sells a lot, and they will give us a huge party at greg's house

Thomas
07-05-2008, 12:11 AM
Yeah, I remember that I didn't even know Green Day had released a new album until I heard Boulevard of Broken Dreams, which was released as a single several weeks after the album was released.

fran.182
11-22-2008, 04:14 AM
Total sales in US after 22 weeks on the chart

186 OFFSPRING RISE & FALL RAGE & GRACE 3,764 2 3,685 175,731

It's #186 on BB200 and sold 3,764 copies this week.

You're Gonna Go Far, Kid has spent nine weeks on the top of Modern Rock Charts so far...And peaked at #71 on US Hot 100 so far...

sbazzone
11-22-2008, 05:08 AM
where did you get those numbers?

fran.182
11-22-2008, 09:00 AM
All i can say is that these are real...

I'm not sure if I can give this kind of information, sorry...

T_immortal
11-22-2008, 09:27 AM
Only 175,000? That would make RAFRAG their lowest selling record ever (excluding their debut) wouldn't it? Ignition sold somewhere around 300,000 if I'm not mistaken. Can anyone get the stats on how its fared worldwide? And what do you guys think contributed to this album's lack of success?

bighead384
11-22-2008, 09:29 AM
They haven't toured the U.S. yet. Also, there's still plenty of time for sales to pick up. There's at least one more single coming, and it's going to have a video as well. Hopefully the album will still be near the peak of it's popularity when they go on tour in the U.S.

T_immortal
11-22-2008, 09:39 AM
They haven't toured the U.S. yet. Also, there's still plenty of time for sales to pick up. There's at least one more single coming, and it's going to have a video as well. Hopefully the album will still be near the peak of it's popularity when they go on tour in the U.S.

Thats true, but it looked to me like there was quite a bit of hype around this album, or was that just me being really impatient for a new Offspring record after all these years? I guess I (along with a lot of others hopefully) wanted this one to take the world by storm and have already gone platinum. Hopefully the US tour sheds some light on this record, and then it can begin a a climb higher on the Billboard 200. I also thought that albums sell the most during the first few weeks of release?

Ninty Man
11-22-2008, 10:00 AM
Thats true, but it looked to me like there was quite a bit of hype around this album, or was that just me being really impatient for a new Offspring record after all these years? I guess I (along with a lot of others hopefully) wanted this one to take the world by storm and have already gone platinum. Hopefully the US tour sheds some light on this record, and then it can begin a a climb higher on the Billboard 200. I also thought that albums sell the most during the first few weeks of release?

Well... Back in black anyone?

sbazzone
11-22-2008, 10:00 AM
All i can say is that these are real...

I'm not sure if I can give this kind of information, sorry...



lol
wtf reply is this?

Rooster
11-22-2008, 10:05 AM
The problem is also the illegal downloading, that's why their new albums probably won't sell sa good as for example Smash or other older albums...

Ninty Man
11-22-2008, 10:05 AM
lol
wtf reply is this?

Maybe he is an undercover agent in Columbia

T_immortal
11-22-2008, 10:18 AM
Downloading and stuff didnt stop albums like Viva la Vida or last years very disappointing Minutes to Midnight (disappointing IMO anyways).

fran.182
11-22-2008, 10:56 AM
lol
wtf reply is this?

BB200 Soundscan numbers always leak...
I'm sure you can confirm the sales if you google this correctly...

Cock Joke
11-22-2008, 11:17 AM
All i can say is that these are real...

I'm not sure if I can give this kind of information, sorry...

Well we're gonna force it outta ya!

jacknife737
11-22-2008, 01:58 PM
The reason for the low sales numbers are several factors;

1) Illegal downloading
2) They don't count legal downloads in the soundscan sales numbers
3) The band hasn't had much public exposure over the last several years.

2003 when Splinter came out is essentially a millenia away in terms of the history of the music industry, people just aren't buying as many physical albums as they used to. RAFRAG was a top 10 debut on the Billboard 200, that is nothing to get upset over; if it was released in 2003 in replace of Splinter, it would most certainly would have outsold it.


Downloading and stuff didnt stop albums like Viva la Vida or last years very disappointing Minutes to Midnight (disappointing IMO anyways).

Both those bands have had extreme amounts of public exposure over the last couple years. Cold Play is arguably the biggest band in the world right now. And 5-8 years ago, their sales numbers would have been twice as much as they are today.

fran.182
11-22-2008, 02:19 PM
The reason for the low sales numbers are several factors;

2) They don't count legal downloads in the soundscan sales numbers



Yes, they do.

sbazzone
11-22-2008, 02:51 PM
BB200 Soundscan numbers always leak...
I'm sure you can confirm the sales if you google this correctly...



I know but i need to know where you get those numbers.

fran.182
11-22-2008, 04:58 PM
I know but i need to know where you get those numbers.

:confused: why?

randman21
11-22-2008, 06:30 PM
Heh, if it's something not-so-honest, maybe we should leave her (her?) alone about it. That Soxic incident earlier this year was not pretty.

jacknife737
11-22-2008, 06:53 PM
Heh, if it's something not-so-honest, maybe we should leave her (her?) alone about it. That Soxic incident earlier this year was not pretty.

Yet, also hilarious for those not affected by it.

fran.182
11-23-2008, 08:44 AM
I'm a guy...not a girl;)

Come on people why would I lie about this?!

I just don't tell from where I got the sales because I don't know if I'm allowed to...You know, actually you have to pay to get the soundscan numbers...But there are some nice guys over the net that leak this information...

Like I said google to know I'm saying the true

findout5
11-23-2008, 10:03 AM
Kids, cut it out. Enough with the argument!

KyleW
11-23-2008, 10:25 AM
I really hoped the album would take off again after 'Kid' was released. Looking at the charts I guess this is not the case, however I am glad that the single has had some success.

I really dont think Kristy is going to pump up the sales either, its just not what the album is about. I guess all we can hope for is a big tour to get them climbing the BB200.

randman21
11-23-2008, 11:15 AM
I really hoped the album would take off again after 'Kid' was released. Looking at the charts I guess this is not the case, however I am glad that the single has had some success.

I really dont think Kristy is going to pump up the sales either, its just not what the album is about. I guess all we can hope for is a big tour to get them climbing the BB200.
Yeah, the album seems to be running out of steam in sales, but all I really want for them is a little more popularity (their single is number 1), and they probably want that and a bit of cash (their tour will give them that), so I'm totally fine. Can someone explain to me for the zillionth time what, besides sales, contributes to chart position?


Yet, also hilarious for those not affected by it.
That, too. :D

fran.182
11-23-2008, 02:05 PM
[QUOTE=randman21;1218830]Can someone explain to me for the zillionth time what, besides sales, contributes to chart position?

Well it really depends on the chart!

For example:

Modern Rock Tracks is a weekly chart that lists the forty most-played songs on modern rock radios over the US. It's solely based on radio airplay.

Billboard 200 is a weekly chart that lists the 200 highest-selling music albums in US. If an album is older than 78 weeks and goes below top 100 it moves to the catalog chart (unless there's a current single from that album groing on radio).

Hot 100 (also weekly) lists the 100 most popular songs in US. It's some kind of the king chart. It's usually used by labels to determinate if a song is/was popular.

Hot 100 = Airplay + Digital Downloads + Singles Sales.

Budzy
11-23-2008, 06:35 PM
Well it really depends on the chart!

For example:

Modern Rock Tracks is a weekly chart that lists the forty most-played songs on modern rock radios over the US. It's solely based on radio airplay.

Billboard 200 is a weekly chart that lists the 200 highest-selling music albums in US. If an album is older than 78 weeks and goes below top 100 it moves to the catalog chart (unless there's a current single from that album groing on radio).

Hot 100 (also weekly) lists the 100 most popular songs in US. It's some kind of the king chart. It's usually used by labels to determinate if a song is/was popular.

Hot 100 = Airplay + Digital Downloads + Singles Sales.

I wondered the same thing.
Well radio play is based on requests yeah? So people out there must like YGGFK and the Offspring. Good to see.

randman21
11-23-2008, 07:53 PM
Thanks, Fran! I hope you're around when I ask for the zillion-and-first time. :D

LosingStreak
11-23-2008, 07:58 PM
On an Alternative radio station in my town YGGFK is the most played song. They have numerous songs that are in the top ten most played/most requested.

T_immortal
01-04-2009, 08:04 PM
I know this thread is quite dead, but I figure it would be better to revive this one rather than start a new one. I've made it a habit of checking every thursday to see where our heroes have charted for the week, and last week I'd noted that RAFRAG had re-entered the billboard 200 at 186.

I'm pleased to report that this week, the album's climbed 12 spots to 174!

findout5
01-05-2009, 03:37 AM
If this keeps going, by 2011 it will be Number 1.

Ninty Man
01-05-2009, 12:23 PM
if this keeps going, by 2011 it will be number 1.

yeah!!!!! Eat your heart out metallica

Rutegard
01-05-2009, 01:30 PM
I know this thread is quite dead, but I figure it would be better to revive this one rather than start a new one. I've made it a habit of checking every thursday to see where our heroes have charted for the week, and last week I'd noted that RAFRAG had re-entered the billboard 200 at 186.

I'm pleased to report that this week, the album's climbed 12 spots to 174!

great news!! maybe kristy impact :)