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Thomas
07-26-2008, 01:40 PM
http://www.allheadlinenews.com/articles/7011707461

Kinda scary if you think about it, but hilarious nonetheless.

Enjoi
07-26-2008, 01:44 PM
Thats just stupid.

Oxygene
07-26-2008, 01:54 PM
Thats just stupid.

but brilliant none the less

Enjoi
07-26-2008, 01:56 PM
but brilliant none the less

Its also Stupid non the less!

They should make prep illegal in the whole world!!!

bighead384
07-26-2008, 01:56 PM
but brilliant none the less

What good is YOUR freedom if you live in a world where it can be taken away for reasons as stupid as that? Maybe you were just kidding, but I'm just saying....

Enjoi
07-26-2008, 01:59 PM
What good is YOUR freedom if you live in a world where it can be taken away for reasons as stupid as that? Maybe you were just kidding, but I'm just saying....

Hmm. I know what you mean.

Rooster
07-26-2008, 02:06 PM
It's about time emo becomes illegal...





... No, seriously, i personally don't like emo music, but no music should be illegal. what then, will punk become illegal because of "creating teen rebels"? I'm not sure if emo can make a person commit a suicide, i believe that those who commited suicide would commit them with or without emo music. Damn, i can't believe i'm actually defending emo in this case...:rolleyes:

Sunny
07-26-2008, 02:39 PM
wow, this thread is full of fail.

down wit teh preppiez emoz chavs! UP DA PUNX!

jacknife737
07-26-2008, 02:42 PM
Emo kids get beaten in Mexico.

http://www.nme.com/news/various-artists/35463.

http://blog.wired.com/underwire/2008/03/anti-emo-riots.html

The thing in Russia is just as disturbing, the notion of a government regulating subcultures is ridiculous; and it's not as if Russia doesn't have bigger issues to deal with.

Homer
07-26-2008, 02:45 PM
wow, this thread is full of fail.

down wit teh preppiez emoz chavs! UP DA PUNX!

But, I only see that in like... one post.

But yeah, it's not illegal yet, and it will probably will never be.

6661.
07-26-2008, 03:04 PM
Best news I've seen in along time.

Why don't they just line the current ones up for a firing squad also.

Jakebert
07-26-2008, 03:38 PM
There's no way that wasn't a joke. The writing of the article itself was horrible, but it was so vague that it had to be made up. But even if it wasn't, the replies in the thread celebrating it are still dumber than the law itself.

jacknife737
07-26-2008, 03:41 PM
There's no way that wasn't a joke. The writing of the article itself was horrible, but it was so vague that it had to be made up. But even if it wasn't, the replies in the thread celebrating it are still dumber than the law itself.

This is no joke, legit UK paper The Guardian is covering it too, this article is well written and goes more in-depth then the one posted by Thomas.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2008/jul/22/russian.emo

Rooster
07-26-2008, 03:52 PM
Man, this shit is just ridiculous... Punx attacking emos? Those are not tru punx for me. I am not saying that punx should like emo music (i personally don't like it), but why do they attack emos? I thought punk was also about freedom of speech, so why attacking others who are expressing their opinions?

Oxygene
07-26-2008, 04:29 PM
I'm all for freedoms and shit, and seriously I wouldn't have a problem with them making it illegal if that could somehow be done without infringing freedoms.

Kinda like you have a person on a team you really like and then another person on the same team you really hate.. and you hope that somehow the person you like wins and the person you hate looses.

It's still fucking funny...

And on the factual note, banning emo wouldn't be a big deal anyway.. who gives a fuck? Especially in russia...

As for Mexican rockers (metal head punk and hardcore kids) beating the living shit out of emo.. good for them, that's how the world should work :)

Little_Miss_1565
07-26-2008, 04:33 PM
Can anyone explain to me why emo kids bring up such a response in some people? I get that the emo riots in Mexico are because of widespread anti-gay sentiments (Catholic country) and boys who wear eyeliner and flatiron their hair are, somehow, a gay display. I feel like hating on emos in the US is a way for people to get away with a veiled form of gay bashing. In a truly free world, who gives a flying fuck what Fall Out Boy and the entire Victory Records lineup want to do with their music and hair?

jacknife737
07-26-2008, 04:54 PM
In a truly free world, who gives a flying fuck what Fall Out Boy and the entire Victory Records lineup want to do with their music and hair?

Agreed; but still, damn you Tony Brummel!

Jakebert
07-26-2008, 06:59 PM
Can anyone explain to me why emo kids bring up such a response in some people? I get that the emo riots in Mexico are because of widespread anti-gay sentiments (Catholic country) and boys who wear eyeliner and flatiron their hair are, somehow, a gay display. I feel like hating on emos in the US is a way for people to get away with a veiled form of gay bashing. In a truly free world, who gives a flying fuck what Fall Out Boy and the entire Victory Records lineup want to do with their music and hair?

I don't think that it has anything to do with gaybashing, emo is just the 2000's version of goth or punk. It's that subculture that gets a lot of mainstream coverage, and for whatever reason, idiots that don't like it get aggressive about it because it's different than they are, and therefore, it's bad. Which is hilarious given that emo's biggest bashers are "punks," who forget that "punk" was the emo of the late 70's and 80's.

Side note, I am officially nominating Oxygene for the "Idiot of the Thread" award for this thread.

Ryder1234
07-26-2008, 09:40 PM
Good... good...
;):rolleyes:

Cock Joke
07-26-2008, 09:47 PM
Its also Stupid non the less!

They should make prep illegal in the whole world!!!

Indeed, man! Indeed! Although outlawing emo from the world as well as prep would be grand.

HeadAroundU
07-26-2008, 10:15 PM
That was an absolutely predictable move. And I approve. :D Russia is trying oppose the USA, with the use of military, politically, culturally...etc...and they should, somebody has to balance the world power. I don't see a reason why Russia shouldn't make retarded self-destructive American culture illegal.

Desperado
07-26-2008, 11:24 PM
and it's not as if Russia doesn't have bigger issues to deal with.

Exactly. Trying to outlaw a certain subculture shouldn't even be a priority, it's ridiculous and totally uncalled for. It's not even a strange or inappropriate subculture, it's just some extra stylish flair and it really isn't THAT prevalent, it's not like you see it on every person. What about real issues, like neighborhood violence or education? Emo isn't causing any of that, and the people who commit suicide because of it are pretty much over passing the whole Emo thing and taking it to the extreme, which not many Emo's do. I understand if they want to lessen suicide rates amongst the youth, but Emo hardly has anything to do with it; the other causes of suicide (depression, family problems) are caused by other things and the Emo subculture helps people. It makes them feel good about themselves and the fact they can relate to other like-minded people.

Jakebert
07-27-2008, 12:23 AM
Desperado, I must say that you seem like someone that's gonna do well here.

adombomb222
07-27-2008, 12:41 AM
Fucking Emo kids...

I say genocide.

Oxygene
07-27-2008, 03:09 AM
Plus, let's not forget - before we drive our heads too far up are left wing liberal asses - being emo is a choice.

It's ok to judge people based on the choices they make (like serial killers to name an example). I actually don't have a problem with emo, but I do like to sit back, watch and enjoy as shit hits the fan, and since I wouldn't really miss it it's a win win for me.

Emos aren't gay, they are openly not homosexual, the reason they beat them up in mexico is because they look gay (which isn't up for debate), and also because they are associated with the rock scene. Would they be associated with techno and pop as they would deserve to be, no one in Mexico would've laid a finger on them.
The message of that was "don't dress like fruitcakes if you are rockers" not "don't be gay"... big difference. Again: there is a choice to be made. Given the size of the fight statistically there had to have been a few gay rockers beating the shit out of emo kids. Think about it.

Sunny
07-27-2008, 03:22 AM
Can anyone explain to me why emo kids bring up such a response in some people? I get that the emo riots in Mexico are because of widespread anti-gay sentiments (Catholic country) and boys who wear eyeliner and flatiron their hair are, somehow, a gay display. I feel like hating on emos in the US is a way for people to get away with a veiled form of gay bashing. In a truly free world, who gives a flying fuck what Fall Out Boy and the entire Victory Records lineup want to do with their music and hair?

well, for what it's worth, the language of emo bashing is directly borrowed from gay bashing (faggots, homos, fruitcakes). also, the "emo kid" fashion (for men) is sort of androgynous - eyeliner, longish, styled hair, tight pants and jewelry... so that feminine look might trigger a homophobic response. all feminine guys are gay... amirite? :]

Oxygene
07-27-2008, 03:53 AM
well, for what it's worth, the language of emo bashing is directly borrowed from gay bashing (faggots, homos, fruitcakes). also, the "emo kid" fashion (for men) is sort of androgynous - eyeliner, longish, styled hair, tight pants and jewelry... so that feminine look might trigger a homophobic response. all feminine guys are gay... amirite? :]

I haven't been appointed to speak on the behalf of everyone, but for me: I have no problem with gays, in fact I've played in a band with someone who was gay. Absolutely no issues of homophobia on my behalf. In fact after a while I had no problem calling him a fag like I would the heterosexual part of the band - so the only thing I could be accused of is being oversensitive. I think for the most part dressing like women and/or androgynes just makes them (emos) and their style an easy target.

I'll give you an example, suppose hard-line straight edge non jewish kids started getting david star tattoos on their foreheads and/or their entire FACE. You think the people that would make fun of them for that would automatically qualify as Nazis?

You don't really have to have a problem with homos to call it like it is..

H1T_That
07-27-2008, 04:44 AM
This thread is one massive facepalm.

Thomas
07-27-2008, 08:37 AM
Side note, I am officially nominating Oxygene for the "Idiot of the Thread" award for this thread.

After reading his last two posts, yeah, I'm going to have to agree.

Sin Studly
07-27-2008, 10:40 AM
I feel like hating on emos in the US is a way for people to get away with a veiled form of gay bashing.

The vast majority of homosexuals out there, including Humungus (the Lord Humungus, the Warrior of the Wasteland, the Ayatollah of Rock'n'Rolla) would take serious offence to being compared to a pack of whining, morbid, histrionic drama-queens who wear eyeliner and girl-pants and listen to shitty music to try and allieviate the crushing, soul-destroying emptiness of their utterly mundane existances. I thought you were tolerant towards the gays? Or at least valued your life and gasoline enough not to say anything that might in any way anger Humungus (the Lord Humungus, etc...)

And for everyone else who can't understand how brilliant, neccessary and overdue this ban is, just imagine the USA when the emo generation has grown up and has a part in running the country. Today, you're the strongest nation in the world, tomorrow you'll be losing wars to Leichtenstein.

Amiralanal
07-27-2008, 10:50 AM
Arent you that nazi?

Rooster
07-27-2008, 11:55 AM
The vast majority of homosexuals out there, including Humungus (the Lord Humungus, the Warrior of the Wasteland, the Ayatollah of Rock'n'Rolla) would take serious offence to being compared to a pack of whining, morbid, histrionic drama-queens who wear eyeliner and girl-pants and listen to shitty music to try and allieviate the crushing, soul-destroying emptiness of their utterly mundane existances. I thought you were tolerant towards the gays? Or at least valued your life and gasoline enough not to say anything that might in any way anger Humungus (the Lord Humungus, etc...)

And for everyone else who can't understand how brilliant, neccessary and overdue this ban is, just imagine the USA when the emo generation has grown up and has a part in running the country. Today, you're the strongest nation in the world, tomorrow you'll be losing wars to Leichtenstein.

Well, the generation that grew up with the first punk rock bands is now old enough to take some important positions (many probably already had) in the countries all over the world, but somehow i think that politics hasn't changed much, nor did army forces. And the original punk rock movement was HUGE, much bigger than today's emo movement. If punk didn't change the world that much (it changed music and people became more rebellious, but it didn't get rid of corrupt politicians, nuclear weapons or wars), i don't think that emos will. So your theory is pretty much false.

Little_Miss_1565
07-27-2008, 12:05 PM
Plus, let's not forget - before we drive our heads too far up are left wing liberal asses - being emo is a choice....
Emos aren't gay, they are openly not homosexual, the reason they beat them up in mexico is because they look gay (which isn't up for debate)...
The message of that was "don't dress like fruitcakes if you are rockers" not "don't be gay"... big difference. Again: there is a choice to be made. Given the size of the fight statistically there had to have been a few gay rockers beating the shit out of emo kids. Think about it.

Okay. There's that, and then there's....


well, for what it's worth, the language of emo bashing is directly borrowed from gay bashing (faggots, homos, fruitcakes). also, the "emo kid" fashion (for men) is sort of androgynous - eyeliner, longish, styled hair, tight pants and jewelry... so that feminine look might trigger a homophobic response. all feminine guys are gay... amirite? :]

Sunny is right, as usual. And then...


]I have no problem with gays[/b], in fact I've played in a band with someone who was gay. Absolutely no issues of homophobia on my behalf.
You don't really have to have a problem with homos to call it like it is..

Oxy, everything you have to say about "homos" and emos makes it sound like you have a really big problem with gays, or at least men who don't fit your definition of masculinity. Why do you feel so threatened by it? Don't try to tell me you don't; if you didn't, you wouldn't care so much that emos exist and wouldn't feel so violently against them.


The vast majority of homosexuals out there, including Humungus (the Lord Humungus, the Warrior of the Wasteland, the Ayatollah of Rock'n'Rolla) would take serious offence to being compared to a pack of whining, morbid, histrionic drama-queens...

Yes, yes, I know, and Rob Halford will bullwhip me wearing naught but combat boots, a studded jockstrap, and leather assless chaps. Just as there isn't only one kind of guy, or one kind of lady, there isn't just one kind of gay person. The world is big enough for Priscilla Queen of the Desert as well as the Lord Humungus.

arak0r
07-27-2008, 12:08 PM
dunno why anyone would be upset/shocked at this. its russia for fucks sake, what do you expect? personally im a fan of freedom and personal privacy and rights but if gwb were to suddenly declare that men wearing womens pants = banned i wouldn't complain too much either.

Little_Miss_1565
07-27-2008, 12:16 PM
but if gwb were to suddenly declare that men wearing womens pants = banned i wouldn't complain too much either.

*facepalm*

Clearly you aren't an ass man.

Sin Studly
07-27-2008, 12:57 PM
Yes, yes, I know, and Rob Halford will bullwhip me wearing naught but combat boots, a studded jockstrap, and leather assless chaps. Just as there isn't only one kind of guy, or one kind of lady, there isn't just one kind of gay person. The world is big enough for Priscilla Queen of the Desert as well as the Lord Humungus.

No. The world is only big enough for the Lord Humungus, his minions, and his vassals. Only when Priscilla accepts her place as Priscilla, tribute-paying puppet-ruler of a small part of the Desert, there shall be room for both to live and love as they see fit.

Oxygene
07-28-2008, 12:15 AM
Oxy, everything you have to say about "homos" and emos makes it sound like you have a really big problem with gays, or at least men who don't fit your definition of masculinity. Why do you feel so threatened by it? Don't try to tell me you don't; if you didn't, you wouldn't care so much that emos exist and wouldn't feel so violently against them.

Listen if you think that someone has a problem with gays, just because he enjoys the freekshow that is the world (which includes mexican rockers beating the shit out of emos), then I think there is something SERIOUSLY wrong with you. I do not feeled threatened by it, why would anyone be friends and be hugging and drinking with a them if they did? I don't feel violently agains ANYTHING (maybe a bit against nazis, but only because they preach intolerence yet whine for legal action once someone is intolerant with them but that's a whole different story), I just think it's fucking funny. When soccer hooligans from two nations I care not for start beating the living shit out of eachother I sit back and enjoy the show. I'm not saying it's right, I'm saying it's entertaining, and entertainment is what I'm here for.

If that makes me a homophob, then so be it.

But equating the disliking of emos, with homophobia is just wrong. Again emo is a choice, you can grow up and change, being gay isn't like that. It isn't a choice.




Yes, yes, I know, and Rob Halford will bullwhip me wearing naught but combat boots, a studded jockstrap, and leather assless chaps. Just as there isn't only one kind of guy, or one kind of lady, there isn't just one kind of gay person. The world is big enough for Priscilla Queen of the Desert as well as the Lord Humungus.

Yeah it is, the more the merrier.

IamSam
07-28-2008, 12:31 AM
Putin's Checklist for World Domination:

Have the state take over all the media and oil in the country.

Check

Kill several hundred citizens in a theater and then blame terrorists.

Check

Say that a US sponsored missile defense system chanllenges Russia into another arms race.

Check

Have laws passed that bar a subculture.

Check

Well on his way. On a bonus note, check out FoxNews coverage of the missile defense crisis. US Missile Defense Plan In Europe Would Force Russia To Target Europe With (drum roll please) missiles. (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,277492,00.html)

Vera
07-28-2008, 12:40 AM
Primary instinct says: FUCK YES.

Cultured, more intellect-based consideration says: fuck me, Russia is fucked.

Third, prejudiced consciousness says: if they migrate to Finland, I will kill myself.

Paint_It_Black
07-28-2008, 04:37 AM
Who cares as long as Russia keeps producing high quality kiddie porn, hating Indiana Jones, and believing they are relevant.



What the fuck, Justin is back? Oh, the inner conflict! My my.



For me, the severely emo types bug me because we all have emotions. We all feel pain. We all have problems. What happened to sucking it in and being a damn man? They annoy me because I just want to tell them to deal with it, don't wear it like a fucking badge of honour. Where are the good old days when men were ashamed to feel anything other than anger and lust? That's what I want to know.

But, to get to the most important point, the Lord Humungus is indeed superior to all. Just walk away, bitches. Just walk away.

Sin Studly
07-28-2008, 06:32 AM
Well, the generation that grew up with the first punk rock bands is now old enough to take some important positions (many probably already had) in the countries all over the world, but somehow i think that politics hasn't changed much, nor did army forces. And the original punk rock movement was HUGE, much bigger than today's emo movement. If punk didn't change the world that much (it changed music and people became more rebellious, but it didn't get rid of corrupt politicians, nuclear weapons or wars), i don't think that emos will. So your theory is pretty much false.

Punk rock was never about getting rid of corrupt politicians, nuclear weapons or wars. Punk rock was about being a sanctimonious, selfish, stupid little shit who thinks the world revolves around you. Punk rock was about having acne, not bathing and deliberately looking like a fucking moron. Punk rock was about talking and talking and talking about how much the world sucks, and then never actually doing a damn thing to change it. Punk rock was, in essence, about being an ugly, smelly shameless attentionwhore who can't stop talking about all the great things you'll do, and then doing nothing more than making an empty token gesture towards doing anything.

You don't think the punk generation grew up to change the world, to change our culture and change the way people think? Two words. Reality television. Reality television, my friend. The national showcasing of stupid, shameless, worthless attentionwhores. The realisation that people will do literally anything if you put a camera in front of them and tell them that other people are willing to watch it. The gradual migration of chronic attentionwhores from the asylums to prime time, to the epicentre of popular culture. That's what you have punk to thank for.

Rooster
07-28-2008, 07:11 AM
Punk rock was never about getting rid of corrupt politicians, nuclear weapons or wars. Punk rock was about being a sanctimonious, selfish, stupid little shit who thinks the world revolves around you. Punk rock was about having acne, not bathing and deliberately looking like a fucking moron. Punk rock was about talking and talking and talking about how much the world sucks, and then never actually doing a damn thing to change it. Punk rock was, in essence, about being an ugly, smelly shameless attentionwhore who can't stop talking about all the great things you'll do, and then doing nothing more than making an empty token gesture towards doing anything.

You don't think the punk generation grew up to change the world, to change our culture and change the way people think? Two words. Reality television. Reality television, my friend.

I guess you were never a punk rocker, because you are pretty much false. Punk rock started in the poorer, working class parts of cities and punk rockers weren't wearing torn up clothes with safety pins for no reason - safety pins were actually keeping their clothes together, preventing them from tearing even more. Media made up the whole punk rock trend. And i don't get where you got the idea that punk rock was about "being a sanctimonious, selfish, stupid little shit who thinks the world revolves around you". Celebrities think everything revolves around them (Paris Hilton or Britney Spears anyone?) and i don't know a single case where a punk was acting like one. Sid and Nancy became "celebrities", much like Kurt and Courtney later, but it was media that made them celebrities, not themselves. And, just in case you haven't noticed, The Offspring were once (and i think they still are) punk rockers, or "selfish, stupid little shits" for you, so why do you like them?

Secondly, "Punk rock was about talking and talking and talking about how much the world sucks, and then never actually doing a damn thing to change it". What the hell? Punx were convincing people they should stand up for themselves, just read The Clash's lyrics. They participated in protests, and delivering message to their audiences of how bad and corrupt the world was (and still is) and therefore opening their eyes. Never do anything? What could they do other than that? If they participated in a riot, they ended up in jail. They weren't on the high positions in the government for christ's sake. But they tried to change the world with everything they could do.

Thirdly, "Punk rock was, in essence, about being an ugly, smelly shameless attentionwhore who can't stop talking about all the great things you'll do, and then doing nothing more than making an empty token gesture towards doing anything." WRONG. This wasn't the purpouse of punk, media made their whole trend up and therefore punx were getting "uglier" because of those made up trends (weird hair styles, piercings, ripped clothes and so on), at least those who followed the trends. The original idea that punx were not wearing fancy clothes was the message that they don't support trends, and with that they were telling others they have their own minds and can't be controlled by others. Plus they were buying cheap clothes from the second-hand stores, because they couldn't afford anything better. And THEN the trend was created by corporate media, and the rich people begun acting like they were poor and were acting ridiculous. And for the second part of this quote, i've already said that punx did anything they could do to open people's eyes and minds to change the world. No one stood up for those people's rights, so they had to stand up for themselves. That's the message punk bands promote

And finally, you said that i didn't think "the punk generation grew up to change the world, to change our culture and change the way people think? Two words. Reality television. Reality television, my friend." What the hell has reality television to do with my statement that punk rock didn't get rid of corrupt politicians and didn't change how army and politics work that much? Sure, punk had a big influence on media, fashion trends and behaviour of people, everything became more open minded (for example, people in England weren't allowed to say anything against their queen before, but they are allowed to do that now). But politics and the way government work hasn't really changed much, maybe just a bit (more liberal, more freedom of speech), but no more than that. The biggest impact punk had was the impact to the music. Reality television has nothing to do with punk rock, but it has a lot to do with the kind of people punx can't stand.

You can't argue that the emo movement nowadays is bigger than the original punk movement was. If Punk rock didn't change the world drastically i doubt that emo will. And a little tip: do some research on punk rock before posting comments about it.

Anyway, this is a bit off-topic, but i had to respond, because everything in that post was pretty much incorrect.

TheUnholyNightbringer
07-28-2008, 07:22 AM
the reason they beat them up in mexico is because they look gay (which isn't up for debate)


There's so, so much to say to you that ends in "shut up, stop being a douche", but I just want to zero in on this one. Of course it's up for debate. Since when do gay men "look" like anything, any more than straight men? Oh sure, quite a lot of gay men have a distinct feminine lilt, though at least where I am it's not nearly as pronounced or widespread as you may think. I know quite a few gay people - one's my best friend, and he looks manlier than I do.

Shut up, stop being a douche.

Smash punker
07-28-2008, 07:25 AM
I need EMO just to laugh at it! :D Punx kills emo, no doubt! :D

Thomas
07-28-2008, 08:16 AM
Wow. I'm just gonna sit back and wait for Sin to tear Raptor88 a new one. This aughta be good. *eats popcorn*

Sin Studly
07-28-2008, 09:18 AM
I punk

And moooooore
Much more than thaaaaat
you did it yoooooooour waaaaaaaaay

Rooster
07-28-2008, 09:59 AM
And moooooore
Much more than thaaaaat
you did it yoooooooour waaaaaaaaay

What the ....?

Funny that you cited (well, almost) Sid Vicious's lyrics, since you seem to hate punk. Now i'll stop arguing, because i don't want another flame war on the forum. I said what i wanted to say anyway.

Sin Studly
07-28-2008, 10:22 AM
EVERYTHING!









































Your head. (up tha punx) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Sinatra)

Jakebert
07-28-2008, 10:44 AM
Punk rock was never about getting rid of corrupt politicians, nuclear weapons or wars. Punk rock was about being a sanctimonious, selfish, stupid little shit who thinks the world revolves around you. Punk rock was about having acne, not bathing and deliberately looking like a fucking moron. Punk rock was about talking and talking and talking about how much the world sucks, and then never actually doing a damn thing to change it. Punk rock was, in essence, about being an ugly, smelly shameless attentionwhore who can't stop talking about all the great things you'll do, and then doing nothing more than making an empty token gesture towards doing anything.

You don't think the punk generation grew up to change the world, to change our culture and change the way people think? Two words. Reality television. Reality television, my friend. The national showcasing of stupid, shameless, worthless attentionwhores. The realisation that people will do literally anything if you put a camera in front of them and tell them that other people are willing to watch it. The gradual migration of chronic attentionwhores from the asylums to prime time, to the epicentre of popular culture. That's what you have punk to thank for.

So I apologise for ever thinking you were overrated here. This post is perfection.

The Search Button
07-28-2008, 10:47 AM
Also, peopling should me made illegal too.

Oxygene
07-28-2008, 11:14 AM
There's so, so much to say to you that ends in "shut up, stop being a douche", but I just want to zero in on this one. Of course it's up for debate. Since when do gay men "look" like anything, any more than straight men? Oh sure, quite a lot of gay men have a distinct feminine lilt, though at least where I am it's not nearly as pronounced or widespread as you may think. I know quite a few gay people - one's my best friend, and he looks manlier than I do.

Shut up, stop being a douche.

They dress a whole lot like the most extraverted (and annoying stereotypical) homos, you simpleton. That's why they got their ass kicked.

Jesus, how hard a concept is that?

No one said all gays dress like that, but I'd guess if I had nothing to add to a debate I'd also try and put some words in some other guys mouth, might make me look a bit less fucking dumb than I actually am...

Little_Miss_1565
07-28-2008, 11:15 AM
You seem to think that's okay, Oxy, and that's what I think is fucked up.

Oxygene
07-28-2008, 11:24 AM
You seem to think that's okay, Oxy, and that's what I think is fucked up.

NO IT ISN'T FUCKING OK...

It's funny... but THAT doesn't make it OK.

I'm really surprised I have to keep explaining this, esp to you of all people.

And I still can't believe that people here equate being a trendy teenager by choice, with being born an oppressed and discriminated minority - yet I'm stuck explaining why mexican rockers beating the shit out of emos is funny.

Jakebert
07-28-2008, 11:32 AM
Bashing someone because they look different than you is the same as gay bashing. Just because it's a choice to dress "emo" doesn't make it any different. You're bashing someone because they don't fit into what you feel is regular society. And allowing "emo" bashing does lead to gay bashing, because as pointed out, "emo" bashing is really just an extension of gay bashing, because it's being done for all the same reason.

And saying something is amusing or funny is essentially the same as advocating it. It's like saying "well, hanging black people is wrong, but damn, it's really fucking funny". You can say that you know it's wrong all you want, but you're still encouraging it.

Oxygene
07-28-2008, 11:53 AM
Bashing someone because they look different than you is the same as gay bashing. Just because it's a choice to dress "emo" doesn't make it any different.

Are you FUCKING INSANE?! So you're saying locking up people because they CHOOSE to do something (ie. dress emo) is the same as locking up someone who was born in a particular way (ie. mentally retarded)?


You're bashing someone because they don't fit into what you feel is regular society. And allowing "emo" bashing does lead to gay bashing, because as pointed out, "emo" bashing is really just an extension of gay bashing, because it's being done for all the same reason.

First and foremost:
1) I do not bash anyone
2) I do not allow emo bashing
3) As pointed out emo bashing isn't an extension of gay bashing, even if the majority of people who do bash derive their motivation from the same sort of urge.

Wether or not emo bashing leads to gay bashing we'll never know, since gay bashing was around long before emo showed up and will be around long after emo ends up in the shit house where it belongs...


And saying something is amusing or funny is essentially the same as advocating it. It's like saying "well, hanging black people is wrong, but damn, it's really fucking funny". You can say that you know it's wrong all you want, but you're still encouraging it.

No, again.. it isn't. Just because you think that porky pig raping elmer fudd is funny doesn't allow for the assumption you think rape is right.

Of all the unenlightened closed minded ... grr...

Thomas
07-28-2008, 11:59 AM
That last post was so full of fail, it's not even funny.

Oxygene
07-28-2008, 12:02 PM
That last post was so full of fail, it's not even funny.

Please be so kind and elaborate in detail, that's so much more interesting.

Thomas
07-28-2008, 12:11 PM
fine.



Are you FUCKING INSANE?! So you're saying locking up people because they CHOOSE to do something (ie. dress emo) is the same as locking up someone who was born in a particular way (ie. mentally retarded)?

They may not be the same, but making a choice as to your style of clothing or general attitude is not grounds for punishment in any way. If the choices made were, say, murder or rape, then punishment is due, but emos never infringed on anyone else's rights, so there's no reason for their rights to be infringed on.




First and foremost:
1) I do not bash anyone
2) I do not allow emo bashing
3) As pointed out emo bashing isn't an extension of gay bashing, even if the majority of people who do bash derive their motivation from the same sort of urge.

Wether or not emo bashing leads to gay bashing we'll never know, since gay bashing was around long before emo showed up and will be around long after emo ends up in the shit house where it belongs...

It doesn't matter if emo bashing is an extension of gay bashing or not. it's still bashing. And you did encourage it by saying that it's funny.



No, again.. it isn't. Just because you think that porky pig raping elmer fudd is funny doesn't allow for the assumption you think rape is right.

Of all the unenlightened closed minded ... grr...

Those are fictitious characters. Your argument is fallacious. That would only be funny because it would be almostt ironic, especially since it's a children's cartoon. The subject at hand, however, is about REAL people facing REAL trauma. If you said that someone beating up a family because they are black is funny, then you support the people doing the beatings. It's only funny if you have absolutely no human compassion whatsoever and you don't consider the victims to be people anyway.

Lets say that you are the victim of one of these bashings because someone confused you for, let's say... a jew. If you suffered because of that, and I laugh, wouldn't you kinda assume that I was anti-semetic? Wouldn't you gather from the fact that I was laughing that I support what just happened?

Oxygene
07-28-2008, 12:31 PM
They may not be the same, but ...

Done, I'm right they aren't the same. Next


It doesn't matter if emo bashing is an extension of gay bashing or not. it's still bashing. And you did encourage it by saying that it's funny.

No I didn't. Thinking a nuclear suppository is funny doesn't encourage anyone to actually develop much less use one. Being objective doesn't make you advocate anything bad. Just because I find Chris Rock to be one of the best comedians out there, and I love his social commentary, including the stuff he says about blacks in no way makes me a racist.


Those are fictitious characters. Your argument is fallacious. That would only be funny because it would be almostt ironic, especially since it's a children's cartoon. The subject at hand, however, is about REAL people facing REAL trauma. If you said that someone beating up a family because they are black is funny, then you support the people doing the beatings. It's only funny if you have absolutely no human compassion whatsoever and you don't consider the victims to be people anyway.

I'm trying to show you the world isn't black and white there are grey areas - admit it, you got a mental picture and you smirked :) Just because you keep saying over and over again, that when you think something is funny you are supporting it, it's not going to be true. Calling it like it is doesn't make you pro or con...


Lets say that you are the victim of one of these bashings because someone confused you for, let's say... a jew. If you suffered because of that, and I laugh, wouldn't you kinda assume that I was anti-semetic? Wouldn't you gather from the fact that I was laughing that I support what just happened?

Tragedy = drama & comedy. If there is something inherently funny about a situation where something bad happens, pretending otherwise is just fucking stupid, and just shows either hypocrisy or lack of judgement. If I would assume you were an anti-semite for laughing at some comedians jewish jokes about the holocaust, I'd probably be wrong. Right?

Just like you are wrong, right now. Am I right? :)

Sunny
07-28-2008, 12:39 PM
I'm trying to show you the world isn't black and white there are grey areas - admit it, you got a mental picture and you smirked :) Just because you keep saying over and over again, that when you think something is funny you are supporting it, it's not going to be true. Calling it like it is doesn't make you pro or con...



Oxy, here's the thing: there is a difference between a fictional concept (dead baby jokes, cartoons, comedy performances) and actual real life people getting hurt. i admit, i laugh at offensive stuff, and i have no problem with it. but in this case, people are actually getting beat up. for reals. jokes - fictional set-ups - can be funny because they are so outrageous and not true (dead baby in microwave jokes come to mind). however, if i heard of a woman dumping her baby in a trashcan (which is a lot better than a MICROWAVE), i would be appalled and utterly horrified. i'm sure you can see the distinction.

Oxygene
07-28-2008, 12:48 PM
Oxy, here's the thing: there is a difference between a fictional concept (dead baby jokes, cartoons, comedy performances) and actual real life people getting hurt. i admit, i laugh at offensive stuff, and i have no problem with it. but in this case, people are actually getting beat up. for reals. jokes - fictional set-ups - can be funny because they are so outrageous and not true (dead baby in microwave jokes come to mind). however, if i heard of a woman dumping her baby in a trashcan (which is a lot better than a MICROWAVE), i would be appalled and utterly horrified. i'm sure you can see the distinction.

Ladies and gentlemen finally a real argument...

Sunny: I do understand that it sucks that someone gets their ass handed to them just because they are emos. But on the other hand, I still think that it's hilarious that a subculture I'm not very fond of makes people react that way... I think that getting smacked around a bit isn't really crossing the line. If people really got hurt that would be uncool, and the whole thing wouldn't be so funny anymore...

However facts are facts, no one was seriously injured. No harm no foul.

I think I draw the line at a reasonable place..

Little_Miss_1565
07-28-2008, 12:55 PM
However facts are facts, no one was seriously injured. No harm no foul.

http://www.time.com/time/arts/article/0,8599,1725839,00.html

" The trio of long-haired teenagers grasped the plaza wall to shield their bodies as hundreds of youths kicked and punched them while filming the beating on cell phone cameras. "Kill the emos," shouted the assailants, who had organized over the Internet to launch the attack in Mexico's central city of Queretaro. After police eventually steamed in and made arrests, the bloody victims lay sobbing on the concrete waiting for ambulances while the mob ran through the nearby streets laughing and cheering."

" Most of all, however, the assailants target the emos for dressing effeminately, still a provocative act for many in a macho Mexico. "At the core of this is the homophobic issue. The other arguments are just window dressing for that," said Victor Mendoza, a youth worker in Mexico City. "This is not a battle between music styles at all. It is the conservative side of Mexican society fighting against something different."

Oxygene
07-28-2008, 01:09 PM
http://www.time.com/time/arts/article/0,8599,1725839,00.html

" The trio of long-haired teenagers grasped the plaza wall to shield their bodies as hundreds of youths kicked and punched them while filming the beating on cell phone cameras. "Kill the emos," shouted the assailants, who had organized over the Internet to launch the attack in Mexico's central city of Queretaro. After police eventually steamed in and made arrests, the bloody victims lay sobbing on the concrete waiting for ambulances while the mob ran through the nearby streets laughing and cheering."

" Most of all, however, the assailants target the emos for dressing effeminately, still a provocative act for many in a macho Mexico. "At the core of this is the homophobic issue. The other arguments are just window dressing for that," said Victor Mendoza, a youth worker in Mexico City. "This is not a battle between music styles at all. It is the conservative side of Mexican society fighting against something different."

so basically no reported injuries is what ur saying...

Thomas
07-28-2008, 01:14 PM
Okay, you didn't even read my response so I'm nt going to bother with that.

And no injuries? ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME!?!?!?!?

Whether or not they recieved broken bones is irrelevant (even though they did suffer injuries, thus the term "bloody"). Those kids are going to be emotionally scarred for a long time.


I seriously can't believe anything you are saying. It's unreal.

Little_Miss_1565
07-28-2008, 01:18 PM
so basically no reported injuries is what ur saying...

Um, plenty of reported injuries is what I just said.

Oxygene
07-28-2008, 01:19 PM
Those kids are going to be emotionally scarred for a long time.

They are emotionally scarred for life =) hence the name: emo

No it isn't irrelevant... there is a difference, between beating somone to a bloody pulp that needs to a doctors attention and has to be hospitalized and needs time to recover, and smacking someone upside the head for being a tool, and shaking it off.

If you don't get that there is something seriously wrong with you.

Seriously?!

And I did read your response from the first letter to the last.. you are seriously very good at wrong assumptions.

Seriously!

You're too soft...

WebDudette
07-28-2008, 01:20 PM
After careful studies conducted in several threads I have come to the conclusion that Oxygene is a troll. A very, very good troll.

As far as emo goes, there are other sub-cultures at my school that I would much rather have nothing to do with.

Rooster
07-28-2008, 01:21 PM
http://www.time.com/time/arts/article/0,8599,1725839,00.html

" The trio of long-haired teenagers grasped the plaza wall to shield their bodies as hundreds of youths kicked and punched them while filming the beating on cell phone cameras. "Kill the emos," shouted the assailants, who had organized over the Internet to launch the attack in Mexico's central city of Queretaro. After police eventually steamed in and made arrests, the bloody victims lay sobbing on the concrete waiting for ambulances while the mob ran through the nearby streets laughing and cheering."

" Most of all, however, the assailants target the emos for dressing effeminately, still a provocative act for many in a macho Mexico. "At the core of this is the homophobic issue. The other arguments are just window dressing for that," said Victor Mendoza, a youth worker in Mexico City. "This is not a battle between music styles at all. It is the conservative side of Mexican society fighting against something different."

This isn't funny at all and it should be stopped. I'd like to see how would those who are acting violently against emos in Mexico feel if their positions would be reversed (emos beating them). I bet they would consider again before beating someone...

Good for pointing this out, Little_Miss. It doesn't seem right even if no one was really harmed. Maybe physical injuries were not so severe, but i think that psyhical harm was much worse - they could have traumas because of beating.

Jules69
07-28-2008, 01:24 PM
Emo kids get beaten in Mexico.

http://www.nme.com/news/various-artists/35463.

http://blog.wired.com/underwire/2008/03/anti-emo-riots.html

The thing in Russia is just as disturbing, the notion of a government regulating subcultures is ridiculous; and it's not as if Russia doesn't have bigger issues to deal with.
Sorry to ask, but what is an emo kid?? I only know of the red puppet!:confused:

Thomas
07-28-2008, 01:24 PM
Whether or not they are a "tool" doesn't matter if they are being BEATEN. It's wrong, no matter how you look at it. They were different, so they got beaten. It's as simple as that. There is no justification whatsoever for these actions. There are plenty of people I don't like, but it doesn't mean they deserve a beating.

And for the record, being "emo" doesn't mean your scarred for life. Being beaten by hundreds of kids does.

I can't even begin to fathom your thought process here. I'm just gonna go with PilZ-E and say you are a troll, and leave it at that.

Oxygene
07-28-2008, 01:25 PM
Um, plenty of reported injuries is what I just said.

Taking into consideration how "unsensationalist" and objective the media is, bloody victims laying in the street is no more than a euphemism for "no serious injuries reported, so we have to say something shocking that could've happened"

How goes it?

"Now thank god for the media, for saving the day, putting it all into perspective in a responsible way."

Is it?

You guys really need to let go of this "injured" thread it's becoming a bit pathetic. Sunny had the only real argument, is that it sucks on a social level that this sorta shit happens for basically no reason, and it sucks on a personal level that you're torn a new asshole for dressing like an idiot. Those things are wrong.. somewhere around there the truth lies.

Oxygene
07-28-2008, 01:27 PM
A very, very good troll.

Um.. thank you. Coming from you that's a compliment :cool:

Thomas
07-28-2008, 01:27 PM
Just because it's possible that the media blew it out of proportion, it doesn't mean that you can't believe a single word in that article. They were being beaten. Chances are they are going to be a bit bloody, and that's only if they are lucky.

And I made the exact same argument Sunny did, but you ignored it.

Little_Miss_1565
07-28-2008, 01:29 PM
Did you not watch the cell phone camera videos?

Oxygene
07-28-2008, 01:31 PM
Whether or not they are a "tool" doesn't matter if they are being BEATEN. It's wrong, no matter how you look at it. They were different, so they got beaten. It's as simple as that. There is no justification whatsoever for these actions. There are plenty of people I don't like, but it doesn't mean they deserve a beating.

NO THEY CHOSE TO BE DIFFERENT, it's an important distinction.. you keep trying to smudge the line. And ARE YOU FUCKING RETARTED? Of course there is no justification for this kind of behavior, WHO THE FUCK IS JUSTIFYING IT, all I'm saying is it stops being funny once people start getting hurt for real. WHERE THE FUCK ARE YOU GETTING ALL THIS STUPID SHIT FROM?


And for the record, being "emo" doesn't mean your scarred for life. Being beaten by hundreds of kids does.

I can't even begin to fathom your thought process here. I'm just gonna go with PilZ-E and say you are a troll, and leave it at that.

Good, keep it simple, that you seem to understand. And being emo is being depressed and fucked for life, it's their official ars poetica.

Little_Miss_1565
07-28-2008, 01:36 PM
NO THEY CHOSE TO BE DIFFERENT, it's an important distinction.. you keep trying to smudge the line. And ARE YOU FUCKING RETARTED? Of course there is no justification for this kind of behavior, WHO THE FUCK IS JUSTIFYING IT, all I'm saying is it stops being funny once people start getting hurt for real. WHERE THE FUCK ARE YOU GETTING ALL THIS STUPID SHIT FROM?

Oxy, it's kind of coming from you. If the shit stops being funny when people start getting hurt for real, and you are presented with corroboration that people are getting hurt for real, then it should stop being funny. But instead of taking the report under consideration, you dismiss it as media hysteria, nevermind the non-traditional media who have also covered it like Boing Boing who have absolutely nothing to gain from embellishing the truth like mass media does.

It doesn't matter if someone chooses to be different. Couldn't you also say that punks choose to be different since they didn't pop out the womb with green liberty spikes and safety pins? The outward demonstration of who we are is an affectation, whether we're punk, arty, emo, metal, or anything else, and it's not okay to give someone shit about who they "choose" to be. At the end of the day, none of us really get to choose who we are.

Oxygene
07-28-2008, 01:37 PM
And I made the exact same argument Sunny did, but you ignored it.

Whiskey Tango Foxtrot?!?! You dismissed my argument and she didn't. She basically argued AGAINST you and agreed with me, but she said that she thinks shit like that stops being funny when people start to get hurt and because they're getting hurt. You said no such thing, infact you said if you think that stuff like that is funny you're justifying it. She was right you were wrong, how the fuck is that the exact same thing?

Little miss: I did watch but only a few seconds. I did read the article and hungarian and it said noone was seriously injured, just scrapes and bruises. I haven't read up on it in english tho.

Thomas
07-28-2008, 01:39 PM
NO THEY CHOSE TO BE DIFFERENT, it's an important distinction.. you keep trying to smudge the line. And ARE YOU FUCKING RETARTED? Of course there is no justification for this kind of behavior, WHO THE FUCK IS JUSTIFYING IT, all I'm saying is it stops being funny once people start getting hurt for real. WHERE THE FUCK ARE YOU GETTING ALL THIS STUPID SHIT FROM?

What does it matter if they choose to be different? If I so choose, I could walk around town wearing mis-matched shoes, lipstick, a heavy leather jacket and a tutu, but that doesn't mean I deserve a beating. And you specifically said: "there is a difference, between beating somone to a bloody pulp that needs to a doctors attention and has to be hospitalized and needs time to recover, and smacking someone upside the head for being a tool, and shaking it off." No one should be smacked upside the head, beaten to a pulp, or anything more severe than being looked at funny because they are different. And you never ONCE said that it stops being funny once people start getting hurt. First, you were laughing at it. Then 1565 posted an article to which you replied, "so basically no reported injuries is what ur saying..." trying to justify your laughing at them.





Good, keep it simple, that you seem to understand. And being emo is being depressed and fucked for life, it's their official ars poetica.

Being emo DOES NOT mean being "fucked for life" in any way, shape, or form. Chances are these kids will grow out of it within 2 or 3 years and life will go on.

WebDudette
07-28-2008, 01:42 PM
I once got verbally attacked for wearing plain jeans and a plain t-shirt. Its cool though 'cause I chose to dress like that.

There is a straight-edge 'gang' in Glendale that are infamous for harassing and fighting kids (and bands) because they aren't straight-edge. Its cool though 'cause they choose to do drugs, drink, and be promiscuous.

Damn, I can't for the life of me remember the what they call them selves. Its pretty common (and more extreme abuse) in Utah too.

Oh yeah, it also happens the other way around. It's cool though 'cause they choose to avoid drugs, alcohol, and promiscuity.

Thomas
07-28-2008, 01:43 PM
Whiskey Tango Foxtrot?!?! You dismissed my argument and she didn't. She basically argued AGAINST you and agreed with me, but she said that she thinks shit like that stops being funny when people start to get hurt and because they're getting hurt. You said no such thing, infact you said if you think that stuff like that is funny you're justifying it. She was right you were wrong, how the fuck is that the exact same thing?




Those are fictitious characters. Your argument is fallacious. That would only be funny because it would be almostt ironic, especially since it's a children's cartoon. The subject at hand, however, is about REAL people facing REAL trauma. If you said that someone beating up a family because they are black is funny, then you support the people doing the beatings. It's only funny if you have absolutely no human compassion whatsoever and you don't consider the victims to be people anyway.

How is this any different? I said that fictitious characters suffering trauma can be funny, but the situation at hand deals with, and I quote (from myself), "REAL people". Nothing in her argument went against anything I said or believe.

Rooster
07-28-2008, 01:47 PM
Little miss: I did watch but only a few seconds. I did read the article and hungarian and it said noone was seriously injured, just scrapes and bruises. I haven't read up on it in english tho.

Here you said that you read the article and said you believe the media that no one was seriously injured, but only a few comments ago you said this : "Taking into consideration how "unsensationalist" and objective the media is, bloody victims laying in the street is no more than a euphemism for "no serious injuries reported, so we have to say something shocking that could've happened"." You are contradicting yourself here.

And IT'S VIOLENCE! SINCE WHEN IS POINTLESS VIOLENCE EXCUSABLE? What if someone would beat you up badly, but not that bad that you would be "seriously injured"? Would you high five him and still think he was right? I don't want to start an argument with you, but i really think you are wrong here.

edit: cited the wrong post, but my point stays the same now when it's edited

Thomas
07-28-2008, 01:50 PM
"Just because it's possible that the media blew it out of proportion, it doesn't mean that you can't believe a single word in that article." You are contradicting yourself.



Um....I'm the one who said that.

WebDudette
07-28-2008, 01:51 PM
Actually, I believe it was Thomas that said that.

Oxygene
07-28-2008, 01:51 PM
Oxy, it's kind of coming from you. If the shit stops being funny when people start getting hurt for real, and you are presented with corroboration that people are getting hurt for real, then it should stop being funny. But instead of taking the report under consideration, you dismiss it as media hysteria, nevermind the non-traditional media who have also covered it like Boing Boing who have absolutely nothing to gain from embellishing the truth like mass media does.

People don't get hurt for real, because thomas thinks they got scarred for life. Second if they did get hurt for real it isn't cool, and it sucks 'cause I can't laugh no more, but like I said the only real newsreport I read said minor injuries, and as long as that doesn't escalate I don't see a serious issue. You guys might be a bit over sensitive.. every time we have some national celebration my city is overrun with nazi fucks who light the city on a fire, they throw sulphuric acid on the gay pride parade and turn cars upside down and riot, with many many people getting injured, sometimes seriously (most of them being cops and rioters means the deserve it but non the less...). The fact that some punks and metal heads get pissed off 'cause emos make them look fruity and they decide to smack them upside the head is nowhere near a problem, as long as it doesn't get our of hand. If you choose to be something then be prepared to accept the consequences.


It doesn't matter if someone chooses to be different. Couldn't you also say that punks choose to be different since they didn't pop out the womb with green liberty spikes and safety pins? The outward demonstration of who we are is an affectation, whether we're punk, arty, emo, metal, or anything else, and it's not okay to give someone shit about who they "choose" to be. At the end of the day, none of us really get to choose who we are.

But it does, choices are important. I don't feel a shred of empathy towards an alcoholic dying of liver failure in comparison with someone dying from a brain tumor. I have empathy for the alcoholic too, just not a lot when it comes to something you can't help. I have empathy for gays getting beaten the shit out of for no reason, but a whole lot less for emos. I've always accepted the negative (fair and unfair both) consequences of the whole punk rocker stigma, and I have to fight 15 times as hard in the business world to be taken seriously.. of course I could deny I was in a punk band and lie about my hobbies and pretend to be someone else, but how pathetic would that be. I've ran into boneheads who wanted to beat the shit out of me for wearing some punk bands shirt (nofx, leftover crack I forget), I talked my way out of it tho, but either way, shit like that is in no way related to true prejudice, like the holocaust for example.

And putting a = sign there is serious grounds for being called a fuck tard. Which basically everyone is doing who says being hated for choices you make is just as bad as being hated for how/what you were born.
Who in their right mind wouldn't hate a mass murderer. "That's a choice he made. Just because he has a weird hobby we should put him in prison? How unfair is that!"

Cmon...

Rooster
07-28-2008, 01:56 PM
Um....I'm the one who said that.

My mistake, i'll edit my post, however my point will still be the same (i wanted to cite Oxygene's post you were reffering too with your post, but i did it too quickly and cited the wrong post). I apologise again.

Oxygene
07-28-2008, 01:57 PM
I once got verbally attacked for wearing plain jeans and a plain t-shirt. Its cool though 'cause I chose to dress like that.

There is a straight-edge 'gang' in Glendale that are infamous for harassing and fighting kids (and bands) because they aren't straight-edge. Its cool though 'cause they choose to do drugs, drink, and be promiscuous.

Damn, I can't for the life of me remember the what they call them selves. Its pretty common (and more extreme abuse) in Utah too.

Oh yeah, it also happens the other way around. It's cool though 'cause they choose to avoid drugs, alcohol, and promiscuity.

Wow, you seriously need to learn to understand what you read.

Let me put it S L O W and SIMPLE.

It is very bad if people get judged based on how/what they are born
It is less bad if people get judged based on the choices they make.

The first one is never cool
The second one is sometimes not cool sometimes it's ok.

Sorry I couldn't just use words with 1 syllable in them to make it even easier for you.

I'm betting you're getting coloring books for christmas the rest of your life...

Oxygene
07-28-2008, 01:58 PM
My mistake, i'll edit my post, however my point will still be the same (i wanted to cite Oxygene's post you were reffering too with your post, but i did it too quickly and cited the wrong post). I apologise again.

No probs, the fact that you're completely wrong anyway makes up for any mistake you may make :)

Sin Studly
07-28-2008, 02:01 PM
Just to add something, Russian kids have compulsory military service. They're shipped off to Siberia, or shot at in the North Caucasus, or forced to fight bareknuckled with people like Sergei Kharitonov (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=coABFNh-jss), six-time Russian Airborne Corps champion in hand-to-hand fighting, and therefore one of the single most terrifying men on the face of the planet, surpassing even the likes of the Lord Humungus.

Emos are basically conditioned into taking pride in acting like soft, fragile little souls. And yet in a year or two, they'll be put on a cattle train to Grozny to face off against Chechenya and Sergei Kharitonov. Even if emo doesn't encourage suicide on it's own (and I don't believe it does), it sure as hell will encourage suicide when you realise you're wearing girl pants and eyeliner in a Russian barracks and Kharitonov is about to stomp your face into a broken, bloody pulp. My point is, Russia is a hard, brutal place full of hard brutal people willing to tear out and eat the heart of anybody who looks weaker than them (I have it on a reliable source that they do this) ; so trying to stamp out the emo culture from Russian youth may be the best way of protecting them, in the long run.

(and yes, they do force their soldiers to fight Kharitonov. I do not know why they do this. I do not know how many survive. I can only pray for them.)

Oxygene
07-28-2008, 02:01 PM
Here you said that you read the article and said you believe the media that no one was seriously injured, but only a few comments ago you said this : "Taking into consideration how "unsensationalist" and objective the media is, bloody victims laying in the street is no more than a euphemism for "no serious injuries reported, so we have to say something shocking that could've happened"." You are contradicting yourself here.

And IT'S VIOLENCE! SINCE WHEN IS POINTLESS VIOLENCE EXCUSABLE? What if someone would beat you up badly, but not that bad that you would be "seriously injured"? Would you high five him and still think he was right? I don't want to start an argument with you, but i really think you are wrong here.

edit: cited the wrong post, but my point stays the same now when it's edited

I didn't say it was RIGHT, I said it was WRONG, I said it WASN'T RIGHT.
Others said I said it's right, all I said is I think it's funny russians are trying to ban emo.. I said it's wrong to infringe on liberties. I also said this shit stops being funny when people get hurt.

You are very bad at this :)

Thomas
07-28-2008, 02:01 PM
You are comparing a clothing style and attitude to mass murderers and alcoholics. Mass murderers kill people. Alcoholics kill themselves. These people made a choice, but it is not a choice the be detrimental to anyone but the fashionistas who think their outfits are outrageous. Just because they are a watered-down spin-off of the punk sub-culture, it doesn't mean that a beating is warranted in any way. Even a smack in the head is a problem because that is assault. Senseless beatings are even worse than that, especially since it's over something as trivial as the way they dress.

Choosing to wear tight pants is not nearly an offense as bad as mass murdering, but you ignore the gray area (the same one you referred to earlier) in what choices warrant punishment or not. Mass murder, punishable. Wearing silly clothes, not even the slightest bit.

Rooster
07-28-2008, 02:06 PM
No probs, the fact that you're completely wrong anyway makes up for any mistake you may make :)

Well, here you might actually be right, you said that the media searches for shocking stories and that they wouldn't cover up all the injured and blood on puropuse, sou you believe them, so that part of my post was pretty much messed up. However, you should know that media is also censored a bit (at least some media), so you should consider that possibility too.

Rooster
07-28-2008, 02:16 PM
I didn't say it was RIGHT, I said it was WRONG, I said it WASN'T RIGHT.
Others said I said it's right, all I said is I think it's funny russians are trying to ban emo.. I said it's wrong to infringe on liberties. I also said this shit stops being funny when people get hurt.

You are very bad at this :)

Well, maybe that was your point, but you made an impression that you don't have a problem with what is happening in Mexico because no one got injured yet. Here (now this IS a proper cite):

"People don't get hurt for real, because thomas thinks they got scarred for life. Second if they did get hurt for real it isn't cool, and it sucks 'cause I can't laugh no more, but like I said the only real newsreport I read said minor injuries, and as long as that doesn't escalate I don't see a serious issue"

Minor injuries are still INJURIES, so that means people got hurt.

And even if your original point was to tell that banning emo in Russia is funny to you, to me it is not. No subculture should be banned in my opinion. I don't consider it funny if it's wrong

Little_Miss_1565
07-28-2008, 02:17 PM
And putting a = sign there is serious grounds for being called a fuck tard.

Okay, I was respectful in my discussion with you. I deserve the same back.



Choosing to wear tight pants is not nearly an offense as bad as mass murdering, but you ignore the gray area (the same one you referred to earlier) in what choices warrant punishment or not. Mass murder, punishable. Wearing silly clothes, not even the slightest bit.

I concur.

.::Splinter::.
07-28-2008, 05:47 PM
that is just stupid people should have rights well they should come to america!

IamSam
07-28-2008, 06:33 PM
You are comparing a clothing style and attitude to masturbators and alcoholics.

I'm not gonna lie: This is how I first read this statement. Needless to say I was confused.

Oxygene
07-28-2008, 11:58 PM
You are comparing a clothing style and attitude to mass murderers and alcoholics. Mass murderers kill people. Alcoholics kill themselves. These people made a choice, but it is not a choice the be detrimental to anyone but the fashionistas who think their outfits are outrageous. Just because they are a watered-down spin-off of the punk sub-culture, it doesn't mean that a beating is warranted in any way. Even a smack in the head is a problem because that is assault. Senseless beatings are even worse than that, especially since it's over something as trivial as the way they dress.

Choosing to wear tight pants is not nearly an offense as bad as mass murdering, but you ignore the gray area (the same one you referred to earlier) in what choices warrant punishment or not. Mass murder, punishable. Wearing silly clothes, not even the slightest bit.

I was talking about the difference in principal in which there is no grey area because, it's 100% and always wrong to judge based on who/what someone was born, and it isn't always 100% wrong to judge based on choices ie. murderers (showing you the extreme - invalidating your "it's at least as bad as the holocaust" - I'm exaggerating - argument against the whole situation)

I DIDN'T SAY A BEATING WAS WARRANTED OR A SMACK IN THE HEAD WAS WARRANTED. I said that the fact the russians wanna ban them and mexicans wanna kick them in the nuts is funny, and I feel free to laugh until people start getting seriously hurt.

Oxygene
07-29-2008, 12:09 AM
Well, maybe that was your point, but you made an impression that you don't have a problem with what is happening in Mexico because no one got injured yet.

I apologize if I made the wrong impression due to not expressing myself clearly however I respectfully ask that my posts be read carefully. Let's not make bad assumptions ok?




No subculture should be banned in my opinion.

No it shouldn't - still trying to ban it in russia is fucking funny :)


I don't consider it funny if it's wrong

Boo fucking hooo... there is no correlation between right and wrong and funny and not funny. Those values are independent of each other. Sometimes you don't laugh when it's funny because it's about something that's wrong, and it's not right to laugh at something that's wrong, but that doesn't make it not funny ! Alright?

Oxygene
07-29-2008, 12:10 AM
Okay, I was respectful in my discussion with you. I deserve the same back.

I didn't mean to be disrespectful, despite the fact that like I said "putting a = sing there" would be super disrespectful. And... not funny.

Rooster
07-29-2008, 04:19 AM
Boo fucking hooo... there is no correlation between right and wrong and funny and not funny. Those values are independent of each other. Sometimes you don't laugh when it's funny because it's about something that's wrong, and it's not right to laugh at something that's wrong, but that doesn't make it not funny ! Alright?

Alright, man, it's your opinion. Perhaps it seems funny to you that someone is dumb enough to try to ban a subculture that is not causing trouble? Because in that way i must admitt that the man (or woman) who came up with that idea is really a fucking asshole. If you look from this point of view, it seems funny (and sad at the same time) that someone is enough stupid to come up with something like that. Don't they have any better things to worry about?

But from the emo kids point of view i don't think it's funny at all. Maybe you wanted to tell this?

Oxygene
07-29-2008, 04:40 AM
Alright, man, it's your opinion. Perhaps it seems funny to you that someone is dumb enough to try to ban a subculture that is not causing trouble? Because in that way i must admitt that the man (or woman) who came up with that idea is really a fucking asshole. If you look from this point of view, it seems funny (and sad at the same time) that someone is enough stupid to come up with something like that. Don't they have any better things to worry about?

But from the emo kids point of view i don't think it's funny at all. Maybe you wanted to tell this?

I think it's funny from the emo kids point of view, although it is also at the same time threatening, it is hilarious that they devote time and effort to this... none the less, but sad.

The whole thing is brilliant.

lost_nvrfound
07-31-2008, 10:51 PM
Oxygene, I can't make head nor tails of what it is that your argument is supposed to be. Your posts all add up to be one big bowlful of self-contrdiction.

My main reason for bumping this is to say that I have no problem with emo whatsoever. Most of the emo guys I've known have fantastic butts and I don't mind their tight pants one bit.

Jakebert
07-31-2008, 11:36 PM
My main reason for bumping this is to say that I have no problem with emo whatsoever. Most of the emo guys I've known have fantastic butts and I don't mind their tight pants one bit.

I could not agree more, my friend.

Duskygrin
08-14-2008, 10:29 PM
What the ....?

Funny that you cited (well, almost) Sid Vicious's lyrics, since you seem to hate punk. Now i'll stop arguing, because i don't want another flame war on the forum. I said what i wanted to say anyway.

Who the deuce is Sid Vicious, now? I thought My Way was a song by Frank Sinatra on a Claude François melody?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/My_Way_(song)

On topic: I really don't know of any emo Russians, all the Russians I've ever known work hard, play harder and try to balance doing 5 hours of sport in the evening and maintaining a steady-of-sorts relationship while vowing to be the first at what they study/do. Pretty harcore, and they hate Valéry Leontiev, sob.

Rubber
08-15-2008, 12:13 AM
There is nothing wrong with gay bashing, in fact I encourage it. And you know why? Gay men who act feminine and lesbians who act masculine are an absolute insult to normal homosexuals everywhere. The reason why they are so discriminated against is because of these strange transsexual-type of homosexuals that are just plain weird and creepy. I have no problem with normal gay people, but gay people who act their opposite gender should totally be made fun of. You may have been born to like the same sex but you aren't born to wear womens' clothing. You know why you see all those unfunny, retarded gay jokes on movies and TV? Because people are too sensitive and won't bash these people because they don't want to appear rude. We all know that transsexualism is weird. It goes against everything society is trying to accomplish, by focusing on the difference between genders. I know some gay people and they dislike this gay "culture" in which they act feminine as an act of pride or just because. It makes all gay people look bad which is just not right. They are an absolute insult and I wish they would have some sense knocked into them.

Duskygrin
08-15-2008, 01:46 AM
Erm you can be a transsexual and not a transvestite, ever seen Transamerica?

Little_Miss_1565
08-15-2008, 08:58 AM
How does anyone troll so early in the morning?

lost_nvrfound
08-15-2008, 10:06 AM
"Originally Posted by Raptor88
Funny that you cited (well, almost) Sid Vicious's lyrics, since you seem to hate punk"

I just noticed this. Does anybody see why I find this funny?

Sid Vicious was the bassist for the Sex Pistols TEMPORARILY. He never even recorded any music with the band. He just did some shows with them. Johnny Rotten was the singer and he hated Sid.

Rooster
08-15-2008, 12:50 PM
"Originally Posted by Raptor88
Funny that you cited (well, almost) Sid Vicious's lyrics, since you seem to hate punk"

I just noticed this. Does anybody see why I find this funny?

Sid Vicious was the bassist for the Sex Pistols TEMPORARILY. He never even recorded any music with the band. He just did some shows with them. Johnny Rotten was the singer and he hated Sid.

Yeah, i know :D He wasn't a good bass player either. He only recorded some b-sides.

medi01
08-15-2008, 12:54 PM
emo banned...i wanna live in russia then

XtokiogirlX
08-15-2008, 07:10 PM
Thats awful!
I'm natruly emo and I can't stop it.
THats just awful.
What will happen if someone can't stop?

lost_nvrfound
08-15-2008, 08:48 PM
Yeah, i know :D He wasn't a good bass player either. He only recorded some b-sides.

Yeah... and from what I hear, he was a total asshole too.:)

adombomb222
08-16-2008, 10:49 PM
Did Russia kill them all yet?

I still say Genocide.

IamSam
08-16-2008, 11:15 PM
Did Russia kill them all yet?

I still say Genocide.

They're working on it. Let them finish with Georgia and they'll be all over that like mascara on a .....well you know.

adombomb222
08-16-2008, 11:19 PM
True that...
I can't wait; I can see it now.
Mass Emo crowd gets together to protest it, and Putin orders to begin firing.

It won't be long now, he's pushing into another cold war situation, and he’ll problem nuke Georgia soon.

Putin is the new Hitler.

syyr*boi
08-17-2008, 03:48 PM
russian goverment has made a wonderful decision about the emos...
now I think that those russian governers are really genius...I mean it

adombomb222
08-17-2008, 10:00 PM
Shut the fuck up you Turk! You just want to kill all the emo Armenians who were displaced into Russia. When I said genocide, I didn’t just mean them, I meant all emos.

Little_Miss_1565
08-17-2008, 10:29 PM
Wow, what an incredibly well thought out and original idea, adombomb.

0r4ng3
08-17-2008, 10:45 PM
As much as I know emo is hated, this is a bad idea. How long is it until they try to outlaw other cultures, punk included?

WebDudette
08-17-2008, 11:48 PM
I guarantee that if I actually talked to some emo kid I wouldn't realize that stereotypes are fucking pathetic and that some of them are actually pretty cool. Its a good thing I'm not friends with any.

Oh wait...

adombomb222, face the facts, hating on emo kids still isn't going to make anyone like you. Try harder plz.

All that aside, some emo kids can be very irritating but that can be said about any subculture. Or population as a whole for that matter.

syyr*boi
08-18-2008, 04:28 AM
Shut the fuck up you Turk! You just want to kill all the emo Armenians who were displaced into Russia. When I said genocide, I didn’t just mean them, I meant all emos.

you must be kiddin me buddy. I just dont like the styles of emos. It just seems to me funny... all pessimistic and unhappienes etc...
I am sure that in 80ies people didnt like the punk moves eather...

and adombomb you think too small whenever something is said you point directly the thought of genocide...
those are only curtains... you gotta try to look beyond of them...

ancalan
08-18-2008, 04:29 AM
It Should Be Banned In Every State All Over The World!

syyr*boi
08-18-2008, 04:37 AM
he is goddamn right

adombomb222
08-18-2008, 06:18 AM
Wow, what an incredibly well thought out and original idea, adombomb.

I know! Thanks!:D


I guarantee that if I actually talked to some emo kid I wouldn't realize that stereotypes are fucking pathetic and that some of them are actually pretty cool. Its a good thing I'm not friends with any.

Oh wait...

adombomb222, face the facts, hating on emo kids still isn't going to make anyone like you. Try harder plz.

All that aside, some emo kids can be very irritating but that can be said about any subculture. Or population as a whole for that matter.

No it just pisses me off that over the last three years how people have changed so drastically to the point where you cannot recognize them - by appearance, or speech, or even their mannerisms.

Little_Miss_1565
08-18-2008, 09:51 AM
I was goth for awhile in high school. Wore all black, painted my eyes shut with eyeliner, listened to weird music. The only real difference between that and emo now is that goth was a bit more intentionally scary. I got death threats all the fucking time from jocks and preps and all that. You are all acting like high school bullies. Fuck that noise.

WebDudette
08-18-2008, 03:03 PM
adombomb222, I still don't like you. keep trying.

adombomb222
08-18-2008, 10:39 PM
I'm trying my hardest! Why won't you except me!?:(

Hombre
08-20-2008, 06:40 PM
I don't think that emo will be made illegal in Russia.
I don’t know much
I don’t know too much
But I know this-70% teenagers in Russia HATE emo!(I'm not)