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bighead384
08-19-2008, 01:42 AM
http://www.yahoo.com/s/937932

I think the cop was put into a difficult situation, but he still made the wrong choice, and he's a dickhead for doing that. The guy with the dog asked if he could have the cop follow him to the station, which I think is a reasonable compromise. I really don't see any real likelihood of that solution creating a problem. What do y'all think?

RODNEYMULLEN
08-19-2008, 02:05 AM
That video just makes me sick to my fucking stomach! I can't belive that shit. That fucking cop should be fired, what a dick. He said what are you on? I'd be fucking flippin out and screaming and shit if my dog was dying. The cops would of had to restrain me and shit.

Tyler Durden
08-19-2008, 03:41 AM
Yikes. The cop was put into a difficult situation but it seemed that he just wanted control. Then again the guy was going 100mph, which is WAYYYYYY too fast on an interstate. He could have easily gotten into an accident and killed someone so I understand where the cop is coming from. I personally dislike dogs though, I find them to be disgusting so it's hard for me to sympathize.

KHWHD
08-19-2008, 06:37 AM
Yikes. The cop was put into a difficult situation but it seemed that he just wanted control. Then again the guy was going 100mph, which is WAYYYYYY too fast on an interstate. He could have easily gotten into an accident and killed someone so I understand where the cop is coming from. I personally dislike dogs though, I find them to be disgusting so it's hard for me to sympathize.

Are you always so negative? Seems every reply/thread I read from you is so negative. You said you're 14 right? At this rate you're not going to have any friends by the time you're 19. Good luck, you're going to need it.

KHWHD
08-19-2008, 06:41 AM
Yep, what an ignorant fuck. It's apparent he has never had an animal. I don't think I've ever heard someone talk that way about a dog. What a prick. Believe me, if it were me in that mans situation, I wouldn't have been that calm. Let's just say, I would have been thrown in the slammer. But then again, the police in Canada aren't the same as they are the states.

drummerbecca
08-19-2008, 06:55 AM
Maybe that guy needs to be choked and left in the back of a car to die. I hate people who are so inconsiderate of animals rights. I bet if it was a human that it'd be a different story. And then for that bastard to stand there and accuse the owner of being on something because he was panicking. It's called having compassion, and actually giving a shit about a life that's at stake. Things like this just back up my arguement as to why I hate most people, and that's because they really only care about themselves.

A message to that fucker who let a defenseless animal die because he gets off on being a fascist asshole - I hope you fucking rot in prison you piece of shit.

[/rant] :mad:

shanna_guarana
08-19-2008, 07:08 AM
WHAT AN ASSHOLE!!!!! 'you can get another one!'.... It's not a pack of toothpaste you stupid moron..!!!! I guess I would die for my own...I cried and screamed when he had much less serious health problems....this guy should win a medal for calmness in an unbelieveble situation...but it doesn't worth anything for him now...

IamSam
08-19-2008, 08:54 AM
"You can get another one."

What a dick. I would sue and I don't normally say that.

RODNEYMULLEN
08-19-2008, 09:09 AM
Maybe that guy needs to be choked and left in the back of a car to die.

yes he does

wheelchairman
08-19-2008, 09:16 AM
I didn't watch the video and I really don't care.

We have speeding laws not to screw people over, but to save lives. The cop had to balance between saving the dogs life and potentially saving lives. He really should've escorted them though.

However the rest of you should think beyond your gut reaction of "poor puppy."

Little_Miss_1565
08-19-2008, 09:37 AM
What the cop said was insensitive, but getting away with speeding like that is generally reserved for human emergencies. 100 mph is ridiculous and they shouldn't have been speeding like that.

SaiKYoU
08-19-2008, 09:39 AM
all this had a solution... the keeps speeding when police is chasing him, you go to the vet, save the dog and get arrested with your dog alive...

T-6005
08-19-2008, 09:43 AM
The guy shouldn't have been at that speed, but there's no need to be such a dick about everything.

That cop was truly a sublime example of dickishness. When he walks over to the other guy and he's like "Hur-hur they're like that because of a damn dog."

What a tool.

KHWHD
08-19-2008, 09:45 AM
all this had a solution... the keeps speeding when police is chasing him, you go to the vet, save the dog and get arrested with your dog alive...

Yep, that's what I would have done. Shit, I had my dog cremated. She's sitting ontop of my wall unit. I was raised with dogs/cats, and dogs/cats are like humans to me. I love them as if they were my own children.

bighead384
08-19-2008, 10:08 AM
Believe it or not, I actually thought it was lame how at the very end the cop says he'll let the guy go without the ticket, after already holding him for 15 minutes. It seems like that contradicts the cops original point of view that the dog shouldn't affect how he handles the situation in any way. If you're going to make an exception with the law, why not do it in a way that could save the dog's life?

bighead384
08-19-2008, 10:11 AM
all this had a solution... the guy keeps speeding when police is chasing him, you go to the vet, save the dog and get arrested with your dog alive...

Exactly. I gotta say, this is exactly what I would do if I was put in that situation. I would hope the judge would be sympathetic though, cause you can probably get in a lot of trouble for that.

0r4ng3
08-19-2008, 10:12 AM
Believe it or not, I actually thought it was lame how at the very end the cop says he'll let the guy go without the ticket, after already holding him for 15 minutes. It seems like that contradicts the cops original point of view that the dog shouldn't affect how he handles the situation in any way. If you're going to make an exception with the law, why not do it in a way that could save the dog's life?
Maybe it was just to be even more of a dick.

"HA! It turns out you did nothing wrong after all! Your dog died for nothing!"

GBH2
08-19-2008, 12:16 PM
wheelchairman is right

anyways, it's not like dogs have souls.

KHWHD
08-19-2008, 12:22 PM
wheelchairman is right

anyways, it's not like dogs have souls.

Wow, just wow.

wheelchairman
08-19-2008, 12:38 PM
Which also means that we don't have to listen to them.

Keyser
08-19-2008, 01:00 PM
Ofcourse it wasnt very nice of that police officer. However, I think comments like ''Maybe that guy needs to be choked and left in the back of a car to die. '' are just as bad.

Mota Boy
08-19-2008, 01:06 PM
We have speeding laws not to screw people over, but to save lives. The cop had to balance between saving the dogs life and potentially saving lives. He really should've escorted them though.

However the rest of you should think beyond your gut reaction of "poor puppy."Slight risk to humans v. life and death situation for dog.

We have every law we have for a reason - that doesn't mean that there aren't certain circumstances that trump those laws. Every human being driving on the interstate is moving at a potentially-deadly speed and potentially saving lives. If we wanted to create laws designed to save the maximum number of lives, we wouldn't be able to go more than forty miles per hour - we take a certain amount of risk of death in order to reap the reward of greater efficiency of travel. Likewise, emergency vehicles are excused from traveling at excessive speeds and breaking road laws because the potential reward for a fire truck, police car or ambulance to arrive at a quicker time is deemed worth the marginally greater risk of death it incurs. I think that, in an instance such as this, driving at excessive speeds is understandable and (as the cop apparently, ultimately agreed), excusable. There's a very subjective line at which the risk is too great for the reward. Is it 100 mph? 90? 80? The speed limit? What were conditions like on the road? How crowded was it? One could argue about that all day, but I think it's a flaw to say that stopping speeding is "potentially saving lives" because just driving is potentially risking them.

A friend of mine was once pulled over traveling twenty-five to thirty miles in excess over the speed limit. When the policeman asked if she had a good reason, she replied "Yes, because the neighbors reported that there is a bear on my property and my sheep are out of their gate." The cop's reply was "Well, you'd better get a move on then." In a rural area, the policeman understood the danger the bear imposed (they can kill multiple sheep at a time) and understood the reason for speeding. This policeman, apparently not a dog owner himself, couldn't understand the emotional connection these people had with their pet. A dog-owning policeman may very well have been able to empathize with the couple and treated the situation completely differently. Are you a dog owner (for the record, I am not)? Anyway, I think this cop handled the situation poorly - at the least he should have told them to dive below, say, 80 and sent them on their way, at the most he should've escorted them.

Mota Boy
08-19-2008, 01:09 PM
anyways, it's not like dogs have souls.Personally, I don't believe human beings do either. I don't plan on letting one die on me, however.

KHWHD
08-19-2008, 01:12 PM
Nice reply Mota, nicely said.

It disgusts me to read some of the replies on here. Like I said, a lot of people treat their animals as if they were their children. I am one of them. They have feelings/emotions, eat, sleep, walk, "talk," just like every breathing creature does. That cop was an ignorant fuck and I pray to God that family gets justice, even though it'll never bring their dog back. He is a terrible human being with no compassion whatsoever. :mad:

Tyler Durden
08-19-2008, 01:25 PM
Nice reply Mota, nicely said.

It disgusts me to read some of the replies on here. Like I said, a lot of people treat their animals as if they were their children. I am one of them. They have feelings/emotions, eat, sleep, walk, "talk," just like every breathing creature does. That cop was an ignorant fuck and I pray to God that family gets justice, even though it'll never bring their dog back. He is a terrible human being with no compassion whatsoever. :mad:

The truth is that some people like me don't care about dogs. If I see a dog dying or something then I would get help but I don't really feel empathy if there is nothing I can do. If your friend had a spider, you wouldn't care if it died, would it? I hope not. My friend and my relatives have dogs and I hate them, they smell terrible, they try to eat your food, they get hair everywhere, they always annoy you, they lick everything, and they fart and it smells like hell. To you and many others they are passionate creatures who deserve the same treatments that humans do but to me and many others they are just an annoyance. I'm not suggesting killing all the dogs but I honestly don't care if a dog dies, just like I honestly don't care if a cow is slaughtered for meat.

JohnnyNemesis
08-19-2008, 01:26 PM
It seems like that contradicts the cops original point of view that the dog shouldn't affect how he handles the situation in any way. If you're going to make an exception with the law, why not do it in a way that could save the dog's life?

I agree 100% with this.

I mean, I also know we have speeding laws for a reason, but there is such a thing as situational judgment, and that cop used exceptionally horrible judgment right there.

Of course I agree that we should go beyond a "poor puppy" reaction, but that doesn't mean we should lose it, and the general "that cop is fucking scummy" reaction here is valid.

jacknife737
08-19-2008, 01:31 PM
I didn't watch the video and I really don't care.

We have speeding laws not to screw people over, but to save lives. The cop had to balance between saving the dogs life and potentially saving lives. He really should've escorted them though.

However the rest of you should think beyond your gut reaction of "poor puppy."

Agreed. It's sad that the dog died, and the cop handled the situation poorly, but the laws are in place for a reason. Those people did not have the right to put other motorist’s lives in danger because their dog was sick.

Keyser
08-19-2008, 01:31 PM
"that cop is fucking scummy"
Yeah, thats valid until that car caused a accident that involves someone you know for example. Then the cop would be scummy for not taking action against the guy with the dog.

Animal rights/welfare yes, as long as it doesnt go too far. And specially not because some people treat animals like humans.

KHWHD
08-19-2008, 01:37 PM
Agreed. It's sad that the dog died, and the cop handled the situation poorly, but the laws are in place for a reason. Those people did not have the right to put other motorist’s lives in danger because their dog was sick.

What about the people that speed for the hell of it, and get away with it? Meaning the cops don't catch them. I think it was a valid reason for speeding.

wheelchairman
08-19-2008, 01:37 PM
Slight risk to humans v. life and death situation for dog.

We have every law we have for a reason - that doesn't mean that there aren't certain circumstances that trump those laws. Every human being driving on the interstate is moving at a potentially-deadly speed and potentially saving lives. If we wanted to create laws designed to save the maximum number of lives, we wouldn't be able to go more than forty miles per hour - we take a certain amount of risk of death in order to reap the reward of greater efficiency of travel. Likewise, emergency vehicles are excused from traveling at excessive speeds and breaking road laws because the potential reward for a fire truck, police car or ambulance to arrive at a quicker time is deemed worth the marginally greater risk of death it incurs. I think that, in an instance such as this, driving at excessive speeds is understandable and (as the cop apparently, ultimately agreed), excusable. There's a very subjective line at which the risk is too great for the reward. Is it 100 mph? 90? 80? The speed limit? What were conditions like on the road? How crowded was it? One could argue about that all day, but I think it's a flaw to say that stopping speeding is "potentially saving lives" because just driving is potentially risking them.

A friend of mine was once pulled over traveling twenty-five to thirty miles in excess over the speed limit. When the policeman asked if she had a good reason, she replied "Yes, because the neighbors reported that there is a bear on my property and my sheep are out of their gate." The cop's reply was "Well, you'd better get a move on then." In a rural area, the policeman understood the danger the bear imposed (they can kill multiple sheep at a time) and understood the reason for speeding. This policeman, apparently not a dog owner himself, couldn't understand the emotional connection these people had with their pet. A dog-owning policeman may very well have been able to empathize with the couple and treated the situation completely differently. Are you a dog owner (for the record, I am not)? Anyway, I think this cop handled the situation poorly - at the least he should have told them to dive below, say, 80 and sent them on their way, at the most he should've escorted them.
I agree he handled it poorly. (As I said I didn't watch the video, it's not really an issue I care enough about to go to the bother of streaming a video on my internet. Which is not as odd as it sounds since I spent years with slow internet so it has a hassle stigma to it.)

And as I said in my post he should've made sure the animal survived by escorting it. I was more reacting to the fact that I think it's a tendency that people do overreact when it's a dog that is dying. Or some other cute animal. My instant thought was that people weren't looking at the situation from anything other than a gut reaction which annoyed me.

I am not a dog owner, but I a plan on becoming one as soon as I can afford it (like being able to pay vet bills should complications arise at some point.)

Mota Boy
08-19-2008, 01:41 PM
Yeah, thats valid until that car caused a accident that involves someone you know for example. Then the cop would be scummy for not taking action against the guy with the dog.Let's not argue with hypotheticals. What if the car driven by the speeding couple kicked up a rock that deflected a bullet that was going to kill someone you know? Well, then your argument isn't valid. "That car" didn't cause an accident, and certainly not with anyone that anybody on here knows.

Once more, every time you get out in your car and drive somewhere, you run the risk of killing someone. Every single time. That doesn't mean that we can argue against running to the store for deodorant because you might run over a child playing in the street.

Likewise, don't bring hypothetical personal issues into account. I could just as easily say "What if it was your best friend's dog that died?" Whether or not you know a person shouldn't (ideally) affect your judgment on the morality of the situation.

jacknife737
08-19-2008, 01:47 PM
What about the people that speed for the hell of it, and get away with it? Meaning the cops don't catch them. I think it was a valid reason for speeding.

I agree that something else should have happened, like the cop escorts them to the vets, or tells them to be on their way, but keep their speed down. But, prior to that, the cop didn't know why they were speeding, and if he was on patrol, he is obligated to stop speeders.

Longaria
08-19-2008, 01:47 PM
Mota Boy, of course you run the risk of killing people every time you drive. But they were going 100mph, which is ridiculous. I would be more sympathetic, and the cop might have been too, if they were going around 80mph but going 100mph very much increases the odds of getting into an accident. Since most speed limits are around 65-70, 100mph was way above the line. They weren't just slightly speeding, they were heavily speeding. I feel sorry for the dog but it's really the owners' fault for being careless.

KHWHD
08-19-2008, 01:55 PM
I feel sorry for the dog but it's really the owners' fault for being careless.

Yeah, but who's to say that the dog would have lived if they were driving 65-80mph?

lost_nvrfound
08-19-2008, 01:56 PM
Likewise, emergency vehicles are excused from traveling at excessive speeds and breaking road laws because the potential reward for a fire truck, police car or ambulance to arrive at a quicker time is deemed worth the marginally greater risk of death it incurs.

My only problem with this is that it is inaccurate. Only cop cars are allowed more than 10 miles above the speed limit. Ambulances especially have very strict driving laws because they are trying to save lives. In most states, the laws say that anyone driving an ambulance (and sometimes firetrucks) will lose their right to drive the trucks permanently and they could even lose their license. And if an ambulance wrecks, while the county/city/company has sovereign immunity, the driver will be held responsible for driving wrecklessly and can be sued. Cops will even pull over firetrucks and ambulances if they feel they are endangering other people. Just had to say that. I'm working on my EMT certification at the moment and I have been studying this stuff.

On another note, I can understand where the cop was coming from. One person or animal's life is not really worth risking the lives many others. But I can also see that the cop could've handled the situation better. This is one of those "hindsight is 20/20" type things. He was trying to do his job.

By the by, police escorts are very dangerous. People don't expect there to be another car behind the sirens, so very often people end up in wrecks over it.

Keyser
08-19-2008, 01:58 PM
Let's not argue with hypotheticals. What if the car driven by the speeding couple kicked up a rock that deflected a bullet that was going to kill someone you know? Well, then your argument isn't valid. "That car" didn't cause an accident, and certainly not with anyone that anybody on here knows.

Once more, every time you get out in your car and drive somewhere, you run the risk of killing someone. Every single time. That doesn't mean that we can argue against running to the store for deodorant because you might run over a child playing in the street..

Yes, and thats why there are rules on roads. To make it safer. And in those rules theres a seperation between humans and animals/ all other things.

As soon as we're starting to raise people from these rules because of their personal issues, that's when things go wrong, because were are you gonna draw the limit? I can go out speeding and tell officers ''hey I have to speed, cause at home there are some plants (which I reaaaaaly love and spend hours to make them grow) that die if I dont give them water. Ok, the officer in this situation shouldnt had made those comments, thats just plain rude.



Likewise, don't bring hypothetical personal issues into account. I could just as easily say "What if it was your best friend's dog that died?" Whether or not you know a person shouldn't (ideally) affect your judgment on the morality of the situation.

Personally? I would find it sad for my friend, but nothing more.

KHWHD
08-19-2008, 02:03 PM
I can go out speeding and tell officers ''hey I have to speed, cause at home there are some plants (which I reaaaaaly love and spend hours to make them grow) that die if I dont give them water. Ok, the officer in this situation shouldnt had made those comments, thats just plain rude.

That's a really bad example to use. No comparison between an animal and a plant.

Keyser
08-19-2008, 02:07 PM
That's a really bad example to use. No comparison between an animal and a plant.

What gives you any authority to say that?

KHWHD
08-19-2008, 02:19 PM
What gives you any authority to say that?

Because there is no comparison, you can't even say that. Do you take your plant for a walk to give them exercise? Do you let your plant out for a pee? Does your plants have emotions? I didn't think so.

Keyser
08-19-2008, 02:21 PM
Because there is no comparison, you can't even say that. Do you take your plant for a walk to give them exercise? Do you let your plant out for a pee? Does your plants have emotions? I didn't think so.

Its a living creature.

Again, what gives you any authority to say plants are less worth?

wheelchairman
08-19-2008, 02:24 PM
I would like to see a plant's brain.

drex878
08-19-2008, 02:33 PM
I can almost all the time watch disturbing/gross things and not be affected, but I found it extremely hard to watch this. It's probably because if this was my dog, I'd fucking smack the cop with an aluminum bat. Then again, my dog has been run over by a car and lived, so I'm convinced that she's invincible.

Endymion
08-19-2008, 02:35 PM
keyser, it's a human-centric world. plants and dogs are both living beings, but we consider dogs more important because a) they are more like humans phenologically, and b) social connotations (they've been domesticated for practical purposes, and now have become pets). there is no absolute objective way to measure the worth of a species

Keyser
08-19-2008, 02:36 PM
I would like to see a plant's brain.

Point is, humans can love/like anything (and no Shank, you're not in charge to deceide for other people if its worth alot or not). But if we're going to make special occasions for everyone it would turn out pretty bad.

Keyser
08-19-2008, 02:38 PM
keyser, it's a human-centric world. plants and dogs are both living beings, but we consider dogs more important because a) they are more like humans phenologically, and b) social connotations (they've been domesticated for practical purposes, and now have become pets). there is no absolute objective way to measure the worth of a species

Exactly. But like I wrote in another post, these days people love/like about anything. Where are you gonna draw the line then? Currently the line is between humans and everything else, and according to that the officer did his job (beside of the after-comments). And no, just because some people like their pet so much I dont think its appropriate to change these laws.

Road rules are there to protect human lifes. And with all the respect for animal keepers, I think we should keep it that way.

shanna_guarana
08-19-2008, 04:38 PM
Guys, that policeman standed there in front of the car for 15 minutes, doing NOTHING CONSTRUCTIVE! He just talked about how his dog's life isn't so important, about how he can get a new one..for that time, halfed time, I"m sure, he could for example write the bill, ticket or whatever, calm the man and let him go to take the POOR dog to the vet..!!! but, no, he just standed and and kept on talking some bullshit..!!! I HATE STUPID SELFISH PEOPLE...he could go and pump his own ego on someone else, maybe his wife, cause the guy has serious problems whit it...

Mota Boy
08-19-2008, 06:08 PM
As soon as we're starting to raise people from these rules because of their personal issues, that's when things go wrong, because were are you gonna draw the limit? I can go out speeding and tell officers ''hey I have to speed, cause at home there are some plants (which I reaaaaaly love and spend hours to make them grow) that die if I dont give them water.If you're equivocating that with my friend who was going after the sheep, you're missing the point (other than the poor equivocation of animal and plant). Sheep = livelihood. Six or eight or ten dead sheep is a lot of money down the drain, and it's a situation in which time is of the essence. As I said earlier, it is obviously a subjective situation. Saying that there is a silly reason to be speeding is not a good way refute the position that there may be a good reason for speeding. The exceptions are few and far between, not something that would affect the way we're "raising" people. Let me ask you - can you imagine a situation in which you could justify speeding? Let's say, if you were transporting a poisoned family member? Or would you drive exactly the speed limit? Do you believe the existence of that one exception, and acknowledging it, has suddenly undermined your belief in the speed limit?

Mota Boy
08-19-2008, 06:11 PM
My only problem with this is that it is inaccurate. Only cop cars are allowed more than 10 miles above the speed limit. Ambulances especially have very strict driving laws because they are trying to save lives.Ha! I just love what this justification says about the fact that policemen are allowed to exceed the speed limit.

JohnnyNemesis
08-19-2008, 08:29 PM
Yeah, thats valid until that car caused a accident that involves someone you know for example.

Which didn't happen...so, like...wha?

They had no right to be speeding, of course, and I completely agree with that. His scummetry (lol) really comes through in his inability to compromise, or think of a better idea on the spot (like helping bring the dog to safety and then bringing the driver to deserved punishment).

0r4ng3
08-19-2008, 08:37 PM
I'm just surprised he didn't taze them. And then the dog.

KHWHD
08-19-2008, 08:38 PM
I'm just surprised he didn't taze them. And then the dog.

ROFLMFAO! :D :D

Llamas
08-19-2008, 08:48 PM
In that situation, let the guy get in his car, escort them to the vet hospital, then ticket them after the situation is over. The guy shouldn't have been speeding that fast, as it is very dangerous, but with a dying dog in the car, there have to be SOME compromises. Telling the guy to get a new dog is just wrong.

Llamas
08-19-2008, 09:06 PM
Whoops... I realized after I posted that there were three pages, and a few people already said what I did. :) I guess it is hard to draw a line between what we would accept as a good excuse for speeding... most people agree that a dying dog counts... and that a dying plant doesn't.

Well, I have a rabbit. Three months ago, she got an infection, and her weight dropped down to about 2.6 lbs. I took her to the vet and spent about $130 to get her better. When I told my mom this, she said "Oh honey, what a waste of money... just get a new one." I was shocked and saddened by this attitude.

Question: if someone was speeding to the vet with a dying rabbit, would people consider THAT a valid excuse? I personally equate a rabbit with a dog, but I'm sure many people don't.

IamSam
08-19-2008, 10:00 PM
Reading from earlier I would just like to point this out:

I've ridden in many a taxi that has been going near 100 and never was pulled over by officers as they were passed by said taxi. Sooooo....

KHWHD
08-19-2008, 10:16 PM
Question: if someone was speeding to the vet with a dying rabbit, would people consider THAT a valid excuse? I personally equate a rabbit with a dog, but I'm sure many people don't.

Absolutely. Your rabbit is a living, breathing creature as is a dog or cat is. Just as valid as any other kind of sick animal. Except of course if it was an excuse to drive 100mph to get home to water your plant cause you've worked hard to take care of it. :rolleyes:

Little_Miss_1565
08-19-2008, 10:27 PM
Keyser, plants are living things but they lack any kind of central nervous system. They do not feel pain, nor are they sentient. So I guess you should direct your righteous indignation at science instead.

Tyler Durden
08-19-2008, 10:36 PM
Sheep = livelihood. Six or eight or ten dead sheep is a lot of money down the drain, and it's a situation in which time is of the essence.

What if you were somebody who sold crops? Having dead plants would also be a lot of money down the drain.

IamSam
08-19-2008, 10:37 PM
My only problem with this is that it is inaccurate. Only cop cars are allowed more than 10 miles above the speed limit. Ambulances especially have very strict driving laws because they are trying to save lives. In most states, the laws say that anyone driving an ambulance (and sometimes firetrucks) will lose their right to drive the trucks permanently and they could even lose their license. And if an ambulance wrecks, while the county/city/company has sovereign immunity, the driver will be held responsible for driving wrecklessly and can be sued. Cops will even pull over firetrucks and ambulances if they feel they are endangering other people. Just had to say that. I'm working on my EMT certification at the moment and I have been studying this stuff.


I'll be honest, I have never once seen an ambulance pulled over for going over the speed limit. Let me regale you:

My best friend is a paramedic with the ambulance company in the city I live in. Daily he is driving emergent (lights and sirens) and is constantly driving 90mph plus in 35mph zones. It's kind of a wink-wink, nod-nod situation between all emergency workers that ambulances are let off.

Ryder1234
08-19-2008, 10:47 PM
after watching the video, I think that if I was that guy I would have at some point just got in my car and drove away. I hope that cop gets killed in a car accident or something.

Mota Boy
08-19-2008, 11:12 PM
What if you were somebody who sold crops? Having dead plants would also be a lot of money down the drain.

...and it's a situation in which time is of the essence.I don't know how much you know about plants, but the line between life and death usually isn't measured in minutes.

bighead384
08-19-2008, 11:20 PM
It's kind of a wink-wink, nod-nod situation between all emergency workers that ambulances are let off.

I guess it's a little different though because they have sirens and lights. But still, they should go as fast as they can while still being in control.

bighead384
08-19-2008, 11:23 PM
I don't know how much you know about plants, but the line between life and death usually isn't measured in minutes.

LOL, I guess if hundreds of starving rabbits are nibbling at your crops one day.

Endymion
08-20-2008, 02:23 AM
Absolutely. Your rabbit is a living, breathing creature as is a dog or cat is. Just as valid as any other kind of sick animal.

so if it was my pet rhinoceros beetle that was quickly dying and needed medical attention, throwing caution to the wind and speeding to the vet would be ok in your book? i'm just looking for the line here. we know dogs and rabbits are a valid reason, but plants are not. so bugs? what about fish?

Keyser
08-20-2008, 04:23 AM
If you're equivocating that with my friend who was going after the sheep, you're missing the point (other than the poor equivocation of animal and plant). Sheep = livelihood. Six or eight or ten dead sheep is a lot of money down the drain, and it's a situation in which time is of the essence. As I said earlier, it is obviously a subjective situation. Saying that there is a silly reason to be speeding is not a good way refute the position that there may be a good reason for speeding. The exceptions are few and far between, not something that would affect the way we're "raising" people. Let me ask you - can you imagine a situation in which you could justify speeding? Let's say, if you were transporting a poisoned family member? Or would you drive exactly the speed limit? Do you believe the existence of that one exception, and acknowledging it, has suddenly undermined your belief in the speed limit?


About the plant thing: it doesnt matter if it lives, has a brain or whatever. Point is that there are people that care about that too(or anything else people might love/like alot). Then where do you draw the line? Should we, because some people happen to love their pets like children, draw the line there? Doesn't seem logic to me, because that would be unfair to the other groups with their ''passions''. What to you might be a nice cute little dog might be a walking shitfactory to someone else, a simple plant may seem nothing to you, but it might be something very special for someone. And yeah maybe us humans are closer related to animals, but that still doesnt give anyone the right to judge the worth of someone elses belongings. As long as a community as a whole doesn't accept animals as equals to human life I think its stupid to raise people from the law because of their personal non-human issues.

And about the sick dog/ bear on the lose thing, a bear on the lose is a potential dangerous situation, not only for the sheep, but also for people. If someone's bunny or dog is sick, as sad as it is for the person, it doesnt really affect other people.

And for your last question: are you comparing human life to animal life? If so I'm not even going to bother to answer the question.

Sunny
08-20-2008, 04:32 AM
And for your last question: are you comparing human life to animal life?

human life IS animal life. we're just animals who are convinced of their own self importance.

Keyser
08-20-2008, 04:57 AM
human life IS animal life. we're just animals who are convinced of their own self importance.

Yep, but its commonly accepted that we placed ourself above the rest of the animals.

Sunny
08-20-2008, 05:11 AM
yes, but as you said, *we* value ourselves higher than animals. it could be argued that we're animals with delusions of importance. it's very subjective. i completely agree with Endy on the "there is no absolute objective way to measure the worth of a species" thing.

Keyser
08-20-2008, 05:35 AM
yes, but as you said, *we* value ourselves higher than animals. it could be argued that we're animals with delusions of importance. it's very subjective. i completely agree with Endy on the "there is no absolute objective way to measure the worth of a species" thing.

Yes, its possible. But in our system we have in the west ( I assume most people here come from there) it is ranked humans > animals at the moment. And as long that doesnt change animals in general always come at 2nd place.

But like you said, if this is the good way, thats another discussion.


Which didn't happen...so, like...wha?
So it's allright to drive drunk or under influence of drugs if nothing happens?


Except of course if it was an excuse to drive 100mph to get home to water your plant cause you've worked hard to take care of it.
God prevent us from living in a world with just people like you :rolleyes:.

KHWHD
08-20-2008, 06:18 AM
God prevent us from living in a world with just people like you :rolleyes:.

What do you mean by that? Because I compared a living, breathing creature to your precious plant, so now you get personal?

Keyser
08-20-2008, 06:25 AM
What do you mean by that? Because I compared a living, breathing creature to your precious plant, so now you get personal?

No, because after several explenations of that plant thing, you still come up with with messages like ''omg did he dare to compare plants to these poor little cute animals!1!!1''.

KHWHD
08-20-2008, 06:33 AM
No, because after several explenations of that plant thing, you still come up with with messages like ''omg did he dare to compare plants to these poor little cute animals!1!!1''.

I'm done having this discussion with you because it's apparent you won't ever get the point of comparison. And believe me, I'm not the only one to think this.

Keyser
08-20-2008, 06:37 AM
I'm done having this discussion with you because it's apparent you won't ever get the point of comparison. And believe me, I'm not the only one to think this.

Discussion? Oh did you mean those emotional reactions from you? I can hardly call that a discussion.


And believe me, I'm not the only one to think this.
I'll let you know if I start giving a damn about that.

KHWHD
08-20-2008, 06:40 AM
Discussion? Oh did you mean those emotional reactions from you? I can hardly call that a discussion.

Why do I feel like I'm talking to my ex through an email? Emotional reactions? You don't even know me, so please don't pretend like you do. So now you can tell if I'm emotional over replying to a thread over the internet. Wow, you've got me pegged.

Keyser
08-20-2008, 06:43 AM
Why do I feel like I'm talking to my ex through an email? Emotional reactions? You don't even know me, so please don't pretend like you do. So now you can tell if I'm emotional over replying to a thread over the internet. Wow, you've got me pegged.

You said earlier that you were raised with dogs/ cats. That relates you also on a emotional way to this subject, and that clearly seems in your earlier reactions on this topic. Or is that too hard for you to understand?

Mota Boy
08-20-2008, 07:10 AM
And for your last question: are you comparing human life to animal life? If so I'm not even going to bother to answer the question.Because it would completely undermine your argument? Good call.

lost_nvrfound
08-20-2008, 07:27 AM
ANY being dying does not excuse speeding in excess of 100 mph. Thats just plain dangerous. Turning this into a hypothetical situation where its a dog/plant/human/giga pet and its you driving that car, doesn't change that fact that driving that fast exponentially increases your risk of killing yourself or others. Yes, I understand that they loved their dog, I'd flip out too, but the cop was in the right to stop them. Whether his comments were over-the-top or not, he was doing his job and he shouldn't have just let them speed off into the distance, because he'd then get sued if the people caused a wreck up the road and he hadn't done his job.

We all are looking out for number one. The only life worth more than my own to me would be my future children. 1 dog is not worth risking countless others in the process.

Rooster
08-20-2008, 07:28 AM
My friend and my relatives have dogs and I hate them, they smell terrible, they try to eat your food, they get hair everywhere, they always annoy you, they lick everything, and they fart and it smells like hell.

Hehe, i guess you don't like other humans either? Because humans also eat what you do, we get our hair everywhere (i read somewhere that we loose 150 or more hair per day), some are quite annoying, and we also fart and it smells like hell. What disgusting motherfuckers we are, eh?

Keyser
08-20-2008, 07:41 AM
Because it would completely undermine your argument? Good call (from your perspective).

It wouldnt. As you probaly noticed from my earlier posts I consider animal life high, but not as high as human life. That's my opinion.

When you're speeding in a normal vehicle, and specially at such high speeds, it wont matter what youre cause is, the police will stop you (or get you on camera with those radar thingies). The only difference with an animal is that when someone rejects or blocks help to a person in need he is commiting a criminal offence. That doesnt go for animals since in most cases (specially in criminal law, animals were removed as invididual ''persons''). If this is right or wrong is a debate on itself, tough I personally don't have any problems with it.

Now if I was in a situation with humans, ofcourse I would speed, who wouldn't? But I'm also aware that I can get caught for breaking the law, and thats a risk I'm willing to take. Ofcourse in a situation where there is a threat to humans or a dangerous situation it's more likely that they will let me get (partially) away. The guy with the dog took the risk, found a officer in a bad mood or something, and got in this situation. Beside's on the harsh comments of the officer I cant be really bothered by it. How could the officer know before stopping the car that there was a animal on board? He saw a car speeding and stopped it, just like the law tells him to do.

The only thing I dont agree on is to give anyone a free ticket to break the law (and 100 mph is pretty much) because of their pets because they love them so much. When a farm is on fire, the firefighters will rescue the people first (even if they're not in directly in danger) and then the life stock, and be honest, nobody really cares that much for life stock that's killed in such incidents or road accidents etc. It's a dog in this case, something many people can identify themselfs with, so a topic like this gets alot reactions.

Rooster
08-20-2008, 07:51 AM
That cop is an asshole. Total Asshole (with a big A). That dog's life could have been saved if that dickhead wouldn't hold them for 15 minutes and then let them go WITHOUT punishment.

I see cops who are driving way off limits every day, and they are NOT on duty (no sirens, nothing). They caused many accidents already, and somehow they are never punished properly. In my country they just seem to think they are above the law or something, i can imagine something like this incident with the dog happen here too.

And comparing animals with plants? Only thing they have in common is that they are living beings. Plants have no feelings, no nerves and therefore can't feel pain. And who the fuck would drive 100 mph only to water his crop field? Farmers usually plan when to water their crops in advance, so no such thing would happen. But in the case of animals - well, you can't predict when your dog will start choking on something, can you? In that case it's an emergency, and it's natural that you would want to save the life of an animal you love and care about. Humans are animals, no matter what anyone say - just more smart and intelligent ones. We evolved from APES for Christs' sake (unless you believe Chuck Norris, because in that case there is no such thing as evolution). I don't think we are worth more than any other animal.

edit: and i've heard of a case (i don't know exactly where it happened. I think i read it in a newspaper) when a cop stopped someone who was taking a HUMAN being with a heart attack into a hospital and speeding, and the patient DIED because he didn't get to the hospital soon enough. Some cops should get their asses kicked :mad:

nieh
08-20-2008, 07:58 AM
humans > animals

Humans > other mammals > birds > reptiles > fish > (....) > plants
Your comparison of dogs which have complex nervous systems, brains, emotions and personalities (yes, really) who many people consider a member of the family to plants is more than a little absurd.

KHWHD
08-20-2008, 08:01 AM
Glad that I'm not the only one that thought comparing a plant to dogs is beyond ridiculous.

lost_nvrfound
08-20-2008, 08:04 AM
That cop is an asshole. Total Asshole (with a big A). That dog's life could have been saved if that dickhead wouldn't hold them for 15 minutes and then let them go WITHOUT punishment.

I'm not trying to seem cold, but if the dog was truly choking, he probably wouldn't have survived anyway. Just like when someone calls 9-1-1 for a choking person, by the time help arrives, it really just becomes body removal (granted that by law they are required to do CPR). Nowhere does it say how far they were away from someone who could've helped. Nowhere does it say when the dog actually died. The dog could have died 2 mins after the cop stopped them, it could've died when they got to the vet center. Who knows? The only people who could possibly know would be the people in the car with the dog, but they were panicky so their word won't necessarily be accurate. Probably wouldn't be accurate. The video and commentary were setting out to make the cop look bad and they did a very good job of that. But he was doing his job, and if he didn't hold them long enough to do his job, he probably would have lost his job over something like that.

Rooster
08-20-2008, 08:14 AM
I'm not trying to seem cold, but if the dog was truly choking, he probably wouldn't have survived anyway. Just like when someone calls 9-1-1 for a choking person, by the time help arrives, it really just becomes body removal (granted that by law they are required to do CPR). Nowhere does it say how far they were away from someone who could've helped. Nowhere does it say when the dog actually died. The dog could have died 2 mins after the cop stopped them, it could've died when they got to the vet center. Who knows? The only people who could possibly know would be the people in the car with the dog, but they were panicky so their word won't necessarily be accurate. Probably wouldn't be accurate. The video and commentary were setting out to make the cop look bad and they did a very good job of that. But he was doing his job, and if he didn't hold them long enough to do his job, he probably would have lost his job over something like that.

Well, we'll never know if the dog would survive if they weren't stopped. But he might have had more chances.

Anyway, the cop was doing his job, but at the same time he was also being a dickhead. And situation like this doesn't happen only when animal's life is in danger, it happened (now i think that somewhere in England, but i'm not sure; however i am certain it DID happen) when a human had heart attack. Some cops are dicks, they race on the streets even when they are off-duty (i have seen many doing so), but when they stop someone who has a good excuse for speeding they are being asshats.

lost_nvrfound
08-20-2008, 08:23 AM
Well, we'll never know if the dog would survive if they weren't stopped. But he might have had more chances.

Anyway, the cop was doing his job, but at the same time he was also being a dickhead. And situation like this doesn't happen only when animal's life is in danger, it happened (now i think that somewhere in England, but i'm not sure; however i am certain it DID happen) when a human had heart attack. Some cops are dicks, they race on the streets even when they are off-duty (i have seen many doing so), but when they stop someone who has a good excuse for speeding they are being asshats.

Yes this has happened. Cops have also cast off serious head injuries as people being drunk and those people have died over it. I just think this argument over the importance of a dog's life is silly. The cop DID manage to calm the guy down. Which was really important. He was out of his mind, but he was able to cool the guy off, which is what he needed to do. Dogs die. Its sad and really sucks, but there was no way that the cop could have knowingly let that guy drive off so totally out of his mind. Think about it. Would you wanna be in a car with a guy totally freaking out and panicking like that guy was. There's no way he could have let that guy back on the road.

EDIT: I just checked. If you look at the time stamp on the video it took the cop those fifteen minutes to calm the guy down.

ANDiTKO
08-20-2008, 08:30 AM
i,ve got 2 things to say:
1) A.C.A.B.
2) Americans are stupid

Why the fuck, that cop didn't took the dog in to the hospital?
What a Dick

KHWHD
08-20-2008, 08:32 AM
i,ve got 2 things to say:
1) A.C.A.B.
2) Americans are stupid

Why the fuck, that cop didn't took the dog in to the hospital?
What a Dick

That's a bit uncalled for. My kids' father is American. But I have noticed that the cops in the states are more brutal and tougher on citizens then they are here in Canada.

Rooster
08-20-2008, 08:35 AM
Yes this has happened. Cops have also cast off serious head injuries as people being drunk and those people have died over it. I just think this argument over the importance of a dog's life is silly. The cop DID manage to calm the guy down. Which was really important. He was out of his mind, but he was able to cool the guy off, which is what he needed to do. Dogs die. Its sad and really sucks, but there was no way that the cop could have knowingly let that guy drive off so totally out of his mind. Think about it. Would you wanna be in a car with a guy totally freaking out and panicking like that guy was. There's no way he could have let that guy back on the road.

EDIT: I just checked. If you look at the time stamp on the video it took the cop those fifteen minutes to calm the guy down.

Well, yeah, the cop did manage to calm the guy down. But he could let them go sooner, and he could help them also with getting the dog to a vet in time, instead of saying that hey should just get a new dog. I know he was trying to prevet an accident from happening, but he acted wrong in this case.

Keyser
08-20-2008, 08:39 AM
Humans > other mammals > birds > reptiles > fish > (....) > plants
Your comparison of dogs which have complex nervous systems, brains, emotions and personalities (yes, really) who many people consider a member of the family to plants is more than a little absurd.

I agree on that. But that was not the point of the plant comparison. If you look around these days, people start to get attached to more and more silly things. Everyone has their own things they like/ love, this is subjective. Right now we say the comparison of animals and plants (or anything else silly) are ridiculous (which I also agree on, tough, who am I to say such a thing?), but how would that be in some years? Remember that decades ago animals were treated as shit aswell, and just a few cared about that. And now they get more and more rights. So that whole ranking of species is like some other guy said subjective.

So my point:
Someone makes a comparison between dogs lifes and human lifes, which I personally find ridiculous (and alot people with me). Then I get flamed for that.
I make a other comparison (which may sound silly to you, but sorry, none of you have the authority to make a definitive ranking) and you call that ridiculous aswell.

Same stuff, different names?

nieh
08-20-2008, 10:33 AM
If you look around these days, people start to get attached to more and more silly things.

I think you're going to have to elaborate on these "silly things" that people care about because I have no idea what you mean by that and the only hypothetical thing you've given is a plant, which is just an illogical comparison.

Rooster
08-20-2008, 10:53 AM
Silly things? I don't think that an animal that someone love is a silly thing. Dogs are living beings and they DO have personalities (trust me, you should just see my dog and you would know what i'm talking about). Besides, dog isn't called "mans' best friend" for no reason. Humans have been living with dogs for a couple of thousand years, so the connections between them and us are strong.

Jules69
08-20-2008, 11:02 AM
And this dumd ass cop probally said rather the dogs life than your own and possible others!!:eek:eventhough hes a dumb ass, he would have a point there!!

Keyser
08-20-2008, 11:10 AM
I think you're going to have to elaborate on these "silly things" that people care about because I have no idea what you mean by that and the only hypothetical thing you've given is a plant, which is just an illogical comparison.

Never heared of those people who got ''married'' to their game consoles? I'm talking about far going attachment of people to such material things. To most people it sounds silly, but some of these people really go far in it (some even too far).

And about the comparison, ''I like ...... so much, I would do anything for it''. I can fill in anything, dogs, cats, plants, hippo's, computers etc. Why can't I compare my love for a plant (which for me isnt true, I dont own plants) with someone elses love for a animal? Why exactly is that illogical? Do you as animal lover feel you're more important then me because the thing you love are closer related to human beings? Do you feel like you're in a position to judge about the value of things other people love?

I can imagine someone loving a dog or something and see him as a friend. But sometimes there can be dangerous situations where I say: this is the limit, I'm sorry about your dog, but the way you act causes dangerous situations.

nieh
08-20-2008, 11:29 AM
Never mind the fact that plants can't think, feel emotions or pain, and as Mota Boy said, are never really in a situation where a matter of minutes can be the difference between life or death. Also, never mind the fact that video game consoles are inanimate. This has nothing to do with who loves what things most, it has everything to do with the fact that a living, thinking, feeling creature was suffering and in a life or death situation and died as a result of a dick move on the cop's part. Plants don't qualify for that, nor do video game consoles or other material things.

Keyser
08-20-2008, 11:45 AM
Never mind the fact that plants can't think, feel emotions or pain, and as Mota Boy said, are never really in a situation where a matter of minutes can be the difference between life or death. Also, never mind the fact that video game consoles are inanimate. This has nothing to do with who loves what things most, it has everything to do with the fact that a living, thinking, feeling creature was suffering and in a life or death situation and died as a result of a dick move on the cop's part. Plants don't qualify for that, nor do video game consoles or other material things.


You're right on the things you say there. But that still doesnt change that this guy caused a possible life threatening situations (certainly with that speed), and was stopped legimatly. The only thing you can blame the officer for is that it took so long and the comments. Nothing more.

nieh
08-20-2008, 12:04 PM
True, he was stopped legitimately, but the cop should've reacted to the situation in a much less dick-ish way.

Rooster
08-20-2008, 12:30 PM
True, he was stopped legitimately, but the cop should've reacted to the situation in a much less dick-ish way.

You're right. The Cop did the right thing to stop the man, but instead of being a dickhead he should rather try to understand the man and help him, because he had a good reason for driving above the limits. But if cops can react the way he did not only to a sick dog, but to a human in grave danger (the man who died of heart attack in a similar situation) also, we shouldn't be surprised.

Jesus
08-20-2008, 12:30 PM
A 100 mph isn't fast, because it seems like some kind of highway where he is stopped. The cop is obviously a dick and has never owned a dog in his life. I don't understand why he gets pulled over though, can't they just do a speed trap and send the ticket. This seems like a very inefficient way to handle all of this, it's more of a jobs program or an opportunity for cops to power-trip.

Keyser
08-20-2008, 12:40 PM
A 100 mph isn't fast, because it seems like some kind of highway where he is stopped. The cop is obviously a dick and has never owned a dog in his life. I don't understand why he gets pulled over though, can't they just do a speed trap and send the ticket. This seems like a very inefficient way to handle all of this, it's more of a jobs program or an opportunity for cops to power-trip.
Do they use video-vehicles in the US?

Lithuanian Offspring
08-20-2008, 12:41 PM
The guy was speeding. But that cop was being a complete ass. Texas will be Texas.

KHWHD
08-20-2008, 12:45 PM
Do they use video-vehicles in the US?

Isn't that what you're looking at in the video? :confused:

Jesus
08-20-2008, 12:47 PM
Do they use video-vehicles in the US?

Well the video on yahoo is from the cop car, so I guess they do. If not, how did he determine if the car was speeding? I hope not by looking at his own speedometer, that would be quite ridiculous...

Keyser
08-20-2008, 12:52 PM
Well the video on yahoo is from the cop car, so I guess they do. If not, how did he determine if the car was speeding? I hope not by looking at his own speedometer, that would be quite ridiculous...

From what I know of video vehicles, they just drive till some car passes them fast, then they chase the car for a while, calculating his speed (also based on their own speed) and then stop it. Over here they sometimes ask you to come to their vehicle to watch your own driving :D

Endymion
08-20-2008, 12:57 PM
two things:

first, since either keyser isn't communicating his point properly or people just don't want to answer it i'll restate it. it's not that a dog isn't deserving of being saved, or that whatever else isn't either. it's that if we're going to grant exceptions in life-threatening situations for loved ones in danger of death, what loved ones are included? where is the line drawn? almost everyone agrees that the cop was a douche and should have let them hurry to the vet to save their dog. i think cats would be acceptable too. and rabbits. but what about mice? and fish? is it any creature with a brain? you can't just say that it's anything that someone cares a lot about; what if someone loved their piano and it became infested with termites and they were hurrying it to an exterminators -- every second counts here. should they be excused? their pride and joy, love of their life, their piano is dying right in front of their eyes. but clearly they shouldn't be allowed to break the law for a piano. i'm not drawing any comparison between any of these things, just that they each are loved by someone.


second, 100 mph isn't really unsafe. i drove that fast or faster routinely when i lived in LA. as do many people. perhaps in an emotionally distraught state as this couple was in it wouldn't be all that wise, but for many people in southern california >100 is commonplace.

Rooster
08-20-2008, 01:03 PM
I don't think a piano would count, it can wait to be repaired, it's damage won't spread meanwhile...

...Unless it's attacked by a termite army and you want to spray it with an insecticide before it's too late :D

It's difficult to determine what life is more worth saving. I guess it depends a lot on the person, each of us has different values.

Keyser
08-20-2008, 01:15 PM
two things:

first, since either keyser isn't communicating his point properly or people just done want to answer it i'll restate it. it's not that a dog isn't deserving of being saved, or that whatever else isn't either. it's that if we're going to grant exceptions in life-threatening situations for loved ones in danger of death, what loved ones are included? where is the line drawn? almost everyone agrees that the cop was a douche and should have let them hurry to the vet to save their dog. i think cats would be acceptable too. and rabbits. but what about mice? and fish? is it any creature with a brain? you can't just say that it's anything that someone cares a lot about; what if someone loved their piano and it became infested with termites and they were hurrying it to an exterminators -- every second counts here. should they be excused? their pride and joy, love of their life, their piano is dying right in front of their eyes. but clearly they shouldn't be allowed to break the law for a piano. i'm not drawing any comparison between any of these things, just that they each are loved by someone.



My point. Thanks for writing this :D my English isnt that über so thats why my posts maybe weren't too clear.

KHWHD
08-20-2008, 01:45 PM
My point. Thanks for writing this :D my English isnt that über so thats why my posts maybe weren't too clear.

Your english is fine, your comparisons however are not.

bighead384
08-20-2008, 02:08 PM
What if people could get emergency lights for their car? It permits you to drive say 20 mph over the speed limit. But say anytime you turn it on, it sends a signal to the police station and you have to justify it to them and get some kind of emergency personnel to vouch for you.

KHWHD
08-20-2008, 02:12 PM
What if people could get emergency lights for their car? It permits you to drive say 20 mph over the speed limit. But say anytime you turn it on, it sends a signal to the police station and you have to justify it to them and get some kind of emergency personnel to vouch for you.

They have that here for the volunteer firefighters. They have a green light on their dash board and they turn it on when they're going to a fire. They're excused.

Keyser
08-20-2008, 02:15 PM
Your english is fine, your comparisons however are not.

It was not my intention to compare animals with plants, but to compare situations involving these subjects with each other. Which situations are appropriate to break the law and which arent. Where is the line? And its clear that your line goes somewhere else then mine.

bighead384
08-20-2008, 02:15 PM
They have that here for the volunteer firefighters. They have a green light on their dash board and they turn it on when they're going to a fire. They're excused.

Maybe it could work for regular citizens too. I dunno, there might be some problems I'm overlooking, but it sounds like it might be effective.

KHWHD
08-20-2008, 02:17 PM
Maybe it could work for regular citizens too. I dunno, there might be some problems I'm overlooking, but it sounds like it might be effective.

I highly doubt that. What would one's excuse be to have something like that though?

Tyler Durden
08-20-2008, 02:17 PM
Nope, wouldn't work. You can't trust people enough to use it wisely.

lost_nvrfound
08-20-2008, 02:31 PM
What if people could get emergency lights for their car? It permits you to drive say 20 mph over the speed limit. But say anytime you turn it on, it sends a signal to the police station and you have to justify it to them and get some kind of emergency personnel to vouch for you.

That would get soooo abused. You'd be driving down the road and every other car would have a flashing light. Distracting, no? Besides there aren't any colors left. I believe all the colors are taken. Red, yellow, blue, orange, green, purple... all taken Thats basically the spectrum. You can't vary shades and degrees of a color, that'd just confuse people.

JohnnyNemesis
08-21-2008, 07:36 AM
What if people could get emergency lights for their car? It permits you to drive say 20 mph over the speed limit. But say anytime you turn it on, it sends a signal to the police station and you have to justify it to them and get some kind of emergency personnel to vouch for you.

In theory, this is a wonderful idea, but I don't see how it would work. If there were some way to (properly) regulate it, however...

Little_Miss_1565
08-21-2008, 12:01 PM
Imagining that in New York, the cops here are already stretched to the limit and vastly underpaid for the work they do. Having to track down each person that turns on an emergency light to get them to justify it would fail due to the inability to enforce it. The current system of emergency lights works because it doesn't happen that often that traffic has to stop. Well, more often in the city than most other places I'm sure. But still. It's not like everybody is or can do that.