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zsk
08-29-2008, 02:29 AM
i think RAFRAG is not prosperous enough,now
i remeber a time where the second billy talent album came out,everyone talked about it and they played songs in every radiostation,but nobody talks about the offspring,now i didn't heard any songs from rafrag in the radio and hammerhead was not showen one time at mtv trl...
what about your country,are they more succesfull there?
i hope this all will change if you're gonna go far kid and Kristy... becomes a single

DefaultNinja
08-29-2008, 03:34 AM
I would say they had moderate success in the UK, but that's really only a hopeful guess. I don't listen to the radio much or watch music channels, so I don't know how much they've been played on them.

RFRG peaked at 39 in the UK charts, but I personally think this album didn't make much of an impact. Why? Well I guess Offspring sort of faded from memory, but there's still plenty of people who bought the album.

About Billy Talent 2, they would get lots of attention because of mass appeal to emos everywhere. :p

Steal
08-29-2008, 03:40 AM
It did fine enough, but it would have done better if they released YGGFK before the album came out, then they could have released A Lot Like Me when the album was released. After a couple weeks they release Half-Truism, then finally Kristy. If they want to push it over the edge they go for Fix You as the fifth single. Alas, they chose Hammerhead, and irrelevancy continued. Ehhh, it's not that big of a deal really, they've sold over 37 million albums, I'm sure they have a fair sum of money.

Free?
08-29-2008, 04:29 AM
I don't listen radio, don't watch TV, I can't tell you for sure. I think RAFRAG isn't a top hit, I'm sure that it's well known amongst rock listeners. And you know what, I'm pretty much glad that it's like this, the less trendies will show themselves as Offspring fans, the better I feel. I'm happy with the album and I almost don't care about it's popularity.

mrs_hollandova
08-29-2008, 04:46 AM
YGGFK is on slovak radios and people like it, but until there will be no good video, there will be no success.
I really donīt understand whatīs going on. I really miss Americana era.

Rutegard
08-29-2008, 04:47 AM
YGGFK is on slovak radios and people like it, but until there will be no good video, there will be no success.
I really donīt understand whatīs going on. I really miss Americana era.

i miss the "talk to us" era...LOL

when they used to keep us up to date

Budzy
08-29-2008, 05:17 AM
Well here in Australia i think they're going strong. I was listening to a countdown on melbourne's main rock station (Triple M) and Hammerhead made number one, over the last holidays i had my alaram radio set to 9:00 and i woke up 3 times in a row listening to Hammerhead, they play YGGFK a fair bit, but i've noticed they are really starting to play a lot of the older songs (Pretty Fly, Come out and play, Self esteem, Hit that). They used to play them occasionly but now its all the time and they always have some offspring song in the advertisements. They dont play it on MTV or any of the music channels but i think thats cos the Hammerhead video licks balls.

Smash punker
08-29-2008, 06:03 AM
Yeah, guess Australia rocks, when having so much Offspring on radios. :D Fuck success, popularity and charts! And of course trendies! :D Letīs rock the gigs, cause thatīs where the Offspring do best! :D

ernesto88
08-29-2008, 06:25 AM
in argentina the radiostation play songs of RFRG! hammerhead, you are gonna go far, kid.and played all album when come out!
here hammerhead was not showen one time at mtv... (why? i donīt know)
i'm waiting for "the explotion" of offspring again!

Rutegard
08-29-2008, 06:49 AM
here the only hammerhead video i see is the live perfomance from rock am ring LOOL

RonWelty
08-29-2008, 07:05 AM
here the only hammerhead video i see is the live perfomance from rock am ring LOOL

the official one was played in a cable network too.

Rutegard
08-29-2008, 07:11 AM
the official one was played in a cable network too.

sic radical?

great then!!...

hope they play it long enough utill the next video comes out

Little_Miss_1565
08-29-2008, 09:24 AM
Billy Talent is great, but he's never been more than a blip on the indie/underground scene in the US so I can imagine he was huge in Germany but I have a hard time seeing the comparison myself, you know?

But judging from the US, no, this album has not been as well and widely received as I was hoping, but I think that a lot of it has to do with the fact that they've only played a handful of dates here and there and haven't had a proper tour out here.

bighead384
08-29-2008, 09:35 AM
Sales will start to pick up really soon I think.

lost_nvrfound
08-29-2008, 09:46 AM
It doesn't help that all of the stores understocked on the album. All of the stores around here sold out in a few days. I got the very last album that Target had. I've never seen them run out, but maybe that just has to do with the fact that The Offspring are a lot bigger in NC now, since they finally did a show here... that I missed. I'm still bitter about that. But The Warped Tour really brought up their popularity in this area. I don't listen to the radio much so I don't know how much play their new stuff is getting, but the main rock station here loves to play them a lot, so I'm sure they are getting play. If they do a video with them actually in it, it'll do a lot better than Hammerhead. Hit That didn't get nearly the tv play that CGMHAY and Can't Repeat got. People prefer the videos where you can see them play.

And like everyone keeps saying, when they do a proper US tour, sales will pick up for sure.

Stylie
08-29-2008, 10:25 AM
I don't know how it's here in Norway, 'caus I don't listen to radio that much. But it's cool, 'caus some of my friends knows about Offspring and theyr new album, and they like it. ^^

rlplaymaker
08-29-2008, 10:44 AM
Well, around here ( Chicago, IL, USA), the offspring are pretty popular now. They're playing just as many Offspring songs every day as they are the traditional big names, such as Weezer, the Foo Fighters, and Green Day. You're gonna go far, kid is pretty big right now, its poppy, yet it still rocks, so Its getting play on alternative radio AND rock radio. So yay. I do thing that RAFRAG woulda been more popular had YGGFK been the first single, but meh, I think Hammerhead rocks.

They do need a new video for YGGFK though, and it needs to be awesome. THe Hammerhead video, while i respect the "politcal-ness" of it, was a dog shit effort.

I miss the days when they made good videos.

jacknife737
08-29-2008, 11:56 AM
RAFRAG has been getting a fair amount of attention in Canada (Well, at least in the GTA) Hammerhead gets played on the radio all the time, (still in the Edge's top 10). And most music stores that i go in have it in their "best sellers" section. I also wouldn't be concerned about the lack of mtv coverage, i wasn't aware that people still watched it.


but I think that a lot of it has to do with the fact that they've only played a handful of dates here and there and haven't had a proper tour out here.

Agreed. I think the public will be more receptive when the band starts pushing the record themselves.

mat.kc.
08-29-2008, 12:18 PM
Ummm...I work my second job at a petroleum station, and I can guarantee that our biggest rock station plays the Offspring all the time. Gone Away, YGGFK, Hammerhead, COAP, and Self Esteem. All the time.

Hammerhead has just fell from the charts after like 6 weeks being #1, to #3.

They debuted YGGFK last week with a follow up Dexter interview.

Rutegard
08-29-2008, 12:21 PM
Ummm...I work my second job at a petroleum station, and I can guarantee that our biggest rock station plays the Offspring all the time. Gone Away, YGGFK, Hammerhead, COAP, and Self Esteem. All the time.

Hammerhead has just fell from the charts after like 6 weeks being #1, to #3.

They debuted YGGFK last week with a follow up Dexter interview.

AWESOME :D

great news

do you have that interview?

Keep 'em Seperated
08-29-2008, 04:23 PM
The reason The Offspring aren't on MTV is because they're having a date my donkey marathon or something, there's no music on MTV anymore. They do play some softcore porn made by people called P Diddle or 5 Cent though, follwed by some so called "rock countdown" where a bunch of emos cry about their daddies then Busta Ryhmes and Linkin Park play a Hip Hop song at number one.

bighead384
08-29-2008, 04:28 PM
The funny thing is, even though the album could be promoted a lot better, their songs are still doing well on the charts. Hammerhead was in the top three on the alt. rock charts for at least two months (in addition to being in Madden 09), and YGGFK is at number 9 and climbing.

Which begs the question, why are sales so poor? Shouldn't any album with two top 10 singles be doing well?

Ninty Man
08-29-2008, 04:53 PM
The funny thing is, even though the album could be promoted a lot better, their songs are still doing well on the charts. Hammerhead was in the top three on the alt. rock charts for at least two months (in addition to being in Madden 09), and YGGFK is at number 9 and climbing.

Which begs the question, why are sales so poor? Shouldn't any album with two top 10 singles be doing well?

Because we are not in the 90's

bighead384
08-29-2008, 04:55 PM
Because we are not in the 90's

I understand that albums don't sell as much as they used to, but why should anyone assume that I wasn't taking that into account?

mat.kc.
08-29-2008, 05:41 PM
AWESOME :D

great news

do you have that interview?

Unfortunately I was unable to record it. I was at work when I heard it haha. Dexter was talking about the name Rise and Fall, Rage and Grace and broke it down for listeners. Stated how it was about being triumphant, and the exact opposite. Good vs evil, and how they are all intertwined into our everyday living situations and how people can relate to the album's effort. That's all I remember, kind of what like Noodles said before the album leaked.

Ninty Man
08-29-2008, 06:44 PM
I understand that albums don't sell as much as they used to, but why should anyone assume that I wasn't taking that into account?

I meant: offspring isn't cool or popular anymore, not for MTV

bighead384
08-29-2008, 07:04 PM
I meant: offspring isn't cool or popular anymore, not for MTV

Ah, I see what you mean. But Greenday pulled it off, so why can't Offspring?

jacknife737
08-29-2008, 07:12 PM
Ah, I see what you mean. But Greenday pulled it off, so why can't Offspring?

Fair point, but American Idiot, is the perfect example of right place and the right time; A mainstream political album, during an election year. Now obviously this isn't the sole reason why that album sold a billion copies, but it helped to create a significant amount of buzz/interest in the release. The new Offspring album wasn't really highly anticipated outside of it's core fan base.

bouncingcoles
08-29-2008, 08:51 PM
Fair point, but American Idiot, is the perfect example of right place and the right time; A mainstream political album, during an election year. Now obviously this isn't the sole reason why that album sold a billion copies, but it helped to create a significant amount of buzz/interest in the release. The new Offspring album wasn't really highly anticipated outside of it's core fan base.

I totally agree! i love you!

Tehran25
08-29-2008, 08:51 PM
well in Australia i heard Hammerhead three times in one day on one station, along with YGGFK, and the next day they had this thing called albums of the ages. they had Smash on it, and they played songs from it for the entire hour. to be honest i was amazed at it getting that much attention on a popular station... but i wasn't complaining :D

Budzy
08-29-2008, 09:49 PM
Ah, I see what you mean. But Greenday pulled it off, so why can't Offspring?

i think Greenday has always been a bit more 'poppier' than offspring. if u look at the albums over the years they've had 2 or 3 poppier sorta songs to get radio play and then the rest fast, typical Offspring.
Plus Limewire's a bitch. Although i still use it.

Ninty Man
08-30-2008, 09:37 AM
i think Greenday has always been a bit more 'poppier' than offspring. if u look at the albums over the years they've had 2 or 3 poppier sorta songs to get radio play and then the rest fast, typical Offspring.
Plus Limewire's a bitch. Although i still use it.

Well... yes Green Day is poppier, Offspring is kinda pop sometimes... and men... Do you see any huge advertisemente of RAFRAG?

yellow
08-30-2008, 10:11 AM
The Offspring are successful in LA and Orange County. KROQ is playing "hammerhaed" "you're gonna go far kid" and "Stuff is messed up" is on the furoius 5 at 9. I know for sure there is atleast one satelite radio station playing the new stuff. Fuse shows the video of hammerhead. 98.7 only plays old offspring and not any new - I dont know why and i am bothered by it.
A decrease in sales could be due to the lack of music stores or places that stock offspring cd's. It is my opinion people buy more music when browsing thru a store than online at amazon.
Everyone I talk to loves the new album. I know a lot of folk who wanted to go to their last show.

Little_Miss_1565
08-30-2008, 10:23 AM
Which begs the question, why are sales so poor? Shouldn't any album with two top 10 singles be doing well?

Not if the band doesn't have domestic dates.

F@ BANKZ
08-30-2008, 10:27 AM
And I kno-o-o, for all the rising and falling there's nothing to sho-o-o.o-ow.

Rutegard
08-30-2008, 11:19 AM
Unfortunately I was unable to record it. I was at work when I heard it haha. Dexter was talking about the name Rise and Fall, Rage and Grace and broke it down for listeners. Stated how it was about being triumphant, and the exact opposite. Good vs evil, and how they are all intertwined into our everyday living situations and how people can relate to the album's effort. That's all I remember, kind of what like Noodles said before the album leaked.

thanks a lot for the info :D

Bipolar Bear
08-30-2008, 11:45 PM
Fortunately the fact that it isn't as prosperous as some of their earlier albums doesn't have any correlation with the quality of their new album. It's brilliant. Ignition was also a great album (my favorite in fact), and they weren't prosperous back then either. Money isn't everything!

I do of course wish them the best financially, but hopefully they don't make it their top priority. The last thing I'd want from them would be an album filled with "pretty fly for a white guy" 's

Stylie
08-31-2008, 03:09 AM
Fortunately the fact that it isn't as prosperous as some of their earlier albums doesn't have any correlation with the quality of their new album. It's brilliant. Ignition was also a great album (my favorite in fact), and they weren't prosperous back then either. Money isn't everything!

I do of course wish them the best financially, but hopefully they don't make it their top priority. The last thing I'd want from them would be an album filled with "pretty fly for a white guy" 's

I understand what you mean, but it seems like so many doesn't like Pretty Fly and Original Prankster? Just because it's a little poppy? I love them.

Bipolar Bear
08-31-2008, 10:04 AM
You're entitled to love them, and if you do that's great!
Personally, I don't like them AS MUCH as their other songs, but I wouldn't exaggerate and say they're completely worthless like some people do.

Cock Joke
08-31-2008, 10:13 AM
I think it still has time to reach the platinum status and become album of the year & all that. They 1st need to confirm Go Far as an official single, then put out one of their more ballad-y type stuff, like Kristy or A Lot Like Me. That should give them the popularity they deserve.

Bipolar Bear
08-31-2008, 10:48 AM
Yeah, and I really wish they'd finally release it as a single.
Maybe I'm too impatient :rolleyes:
It just seems not much is happening right now, and the album has been out for some time.

Rutegard
08-31-2008, 01:05 PM
Yeah, and I really wish they'd finally release it as a single.
Maybe I'm too impatient :rolleyes:
It just seems not much is happening right now, and the album has been out for some time.

yeah i know what you mean...i fell the same...