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Ryder1234
09-09-2008, 07:09 PM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1051070/Landmark-experiment-unlock-secrets-Big-Bang-cause-end-world-say-scientists-court-bid-halt-it.html

God, tomorrow!? I fucking hope this doesn't happen.

Tired_Of_You
09-09-2008, 07:14 PM
Ridiculous. I think these experiments are quite interesting.

Edit : "Within four years, one of these 'celestial vacuums' could have swollen to such a size that it is capable of sucking the Earth inside-out, said Otto Rossler, one of a group of scientists mounting a last-minute court challenge to the project."

OH NO BY 2012!

Ryder1234
09-09-2008, 07:16 PM
I don't care about it happening, I think that's cool, but I just don't want that black hole thing happening.

Tired_Of_You
09-09-2008, 07:20 PM
Ridiculous because it won't happen and I think we will all wake up without any black hole swallowing us.

Ryder1234
09-09-2008, 07:21 PM
Well it said it could take up to 4 years to grow big enough.

Tired_Of_You
09-09-2008, 07:28 PM
From Wiki :

Initial particle beam injections were successfully carried out on 8-11 August 2008,[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hadron_collider#cite_note-CERNbulletin2008.2F08.2F11-1)[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hadron_collider#cite_note-NYT2008.2F07.2F29-2) the first attempt to circulate a beam through the entire LHC is scheduled for 10 September 2008,[4] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hadron_collider#cite_note-CERNPR06.08-3) at 7:30 GMT and the first high-energy collisions are planned to take place after the LHC is officially unveiled, on 21 October 2008.

So, add a month and a half.

Also,

Although a few individuals have questioned the safety of the planned experiments (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Safety_of_the_Large_Hadron_Collider) in the media and through the courts, the consensus in the scientific community is that there is no basis for any conceivable threat from the LHC particle collisions.

Man, I'd take a janitor position at that place. Why am I not studying cosmology or astrophysics or whatever...? :(

Lizardus
09-09-2008, 07:36 PM
Ridiculous because it won't happen and I think we will all wake up without any black hole swallowing us.

Speak for yourself. :D

Endymion
09-09-2008, 07:43 PM
Why am I not studying cosmology or astrophysics or whatever...? :(

high energy & particle physics is the general name for the field.

and yes, it's totally safe. why would anyone trust a chemist (no offence Michelle) when it comes to esoteric areas of modern particle physics? first -- any reactions that are going to happen in the LHC happen in our atmosphere all the time, so if micro black holes will be created, they're happening above our heads right now too. any black holes formed in these collisions will be radiating energy must faster than they can "eat", so they'd die out almost instantly.

i've never understood why some people fear scientific progress and cling on to the hopelessly irrational and impossible.

Conspiracyof1000
09-09-2008, 07:45 PM
Oh goddamn. :mad:
There goes my theory of the world ending by zombie infestation. :mad:
But seriously...
I've always been paranoid about the world ending, and now some scientists want to? I mean, I know it's probably not going to work, but what if it backfires and they wind up taking out the whole planet?
Or maybe they could open up a wormhole to another world and we could be face to face with bloodthirsty aliens.
Damn, why am I so paranoid? :(

Edit: Wait, maybe it's the asthma pills this time...I should really stop taking them...

nieh
09-09-2008, 07:49 PM
i've never understood why some people fear scientific progress

http://www.solarnavigator.net/images/terminator_robot.jpg
http://www.personal.psu.edu/users/z/x/zxz127/movies/gattaca.jpg
http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u47/catbat74/johnny5gold.jpg

hshduppsnt
09-09-2008, 07:53 PM
high energy & particle physics is the general name for the field.

and yes, it's totally safe. why would anyone trust a chemist (no offence Michelle) when it comes to esoteric areas of modern particle physics? first -- any reactions that are going to happen in the LHC happen in our atmosphere all the time, so if micro black holes will be created, they're happening above our heads right now too. any black holes formed in these collisions will be radiating energy must faster than they can "eat", so they'd die out almost instantly.

i've never understood why some people fear scientific progress and cling on to the hopelessly irrational and impossible.

On a serious note, anyone curious should read that ^ response because nothing bad is going to come of this but it could tell us a lot.



Or maybe they could open up a wormhole to another world and we could be face to face with bloodthirsty aliens.


on a joking note - (only sorta joking) - aside from the whole fighting for our lives aspect that would come with this I'd be amazed and extremely happy if this happened because that is a Lot of new discovery that had previously not been there! I mean, life on other planets, proven! I'd be a little disappointed if they were bloodthirsty, meaning they're just as stupid as we are, but whatever... still :)... maybe we'd all stop fighting each other!

nieh
09-09-2008, 07:56 PM
Or maybe they could open up a wormhole to another world and we could be face to face with bloodthirsty aliens.

Such an awesome game. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Another_World_(video_game))

Ryder1234
09-09-2008, 08:04 PM
Or maybe they could open up a wormhole to another world and we could be face to face with bloodthirsty aliens.

Nah... that'd be exactly like The Mist. It'd be a fucking lame way to die.

Cock Joke
09-09-2008, 08:06 PM
Since the world's so full of idiots, I wouldn't be surprised if like, they accidentally made 1,000 black holes and they all absorbed everything and shit!

Conspiracyof1000
09-09-2008, 08:16 PM
Since the world's so full of idiots, I wouldn't be surprised if like, they accidentally made 1,000 black holes and they all absorbed everything and shit!

Maybe it could finally get that candle out of your ass! 0_0

Serious...
It could suck up all of these goddam mosquitoes. Or it could find Osama Bin Laden. Look at the pros!

Endymion
09-09-2008, 08:28 PM
it's pretty clear that most people in this thread have no idea what black holes are or how they function.

http://www.csulb.edu/~plecnik/sarahconnor.jpg

Cock Joke
09-09-2008, 08:35 PM
Maybe it could finally get that candle out of your ass! 0_0

Serious...
It could suck up all of these goddam mosquitoes. Or it could find Osama Bin Laden. Look at the pros!

Those would all be a dream come true.

Conspiracyof1000
09-09-2008, 09:00 PM
it's pretty clear that most people in this thread have no idea what black holes are or how they function.



That's why I'm not getting paid to study them.

I do know that the gravity within them is so intense they'll stretch you out like a noodle before ripping you apart.

Little_Miss_1565
09-09-2008, 10:26 PM
Bookmark this page:

http://www.hasthelhcdestroyedtheearth.com

0r4ng3
09-09-2008, 10:36 PM
http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/turn-on.png

Supercollider? I 'ardly know 'er!

Little_Miss_1565
09-09-2008, 10:39 PM
It's the Large Hardon Collider!

hshduppsnt
09-09-2008, 10:58 PM
Bookmark this page:

http://www.hasthelhcdestroyedtheearth.com

hahahah wow
i haven't had a good laugh like that in a while, thanks for that! (yeah it probably shouldn't have been that funny... but it was)

Endymion
09-10-2008, 02:05 AM
I do know that the gravity within them is so intense they'll stretch you out like a noodle before ripping you apart.

except that's completely wrong. and i'm not getting paid to study them either.

and that xkcd was basically my night. bar trivia (our team was something like "come 12:30 my large hardon will collide with your swiss black hole"). we made sure to stick around until 12:30 and were pissed when we didn't die. also of note, the last frame has all six quark names in it!

SaiKYoU
09-10-2008, 03:18 AM
fuck at last worked!

i was waiting this since april...

and i was hoping someone from catholic church to say something abou apocalipsis, but i guess you can't have everything you want...

sKratch
09-10-2008, 09:29 AM
any black holes formed in these collisions will be radiating energy must faster than they can "eat", so they'd die out almost instantly.

i've never understood why some people fear scientific progress and cling on to the hopelessly irrational and impossible.
QFT
I think it's something like evaporation goes with 1/m, so for m ~ 0, a black hole evaporates via Hawking radiation extremely quickly. Not to mention the rate of mass increase would be basically zero.


Oh goddamn. :mad:
I've always been paranoid about the world ending, and now some scientists want to? I mean, I know it's probably not going to work, but what if it backfires and they wind up taking out the whole planet?
Or maybe they could open up a wormhole to another world and we could be face to face with bloodthirsty aliens.
Damn, why am I so paranoid? :(

Wow... Uninformed people shouldn't comment on things they completely don't understand. That's like saying "What if I flush my toilet and lava shoots out into my face?" It's not going to happen. You can say "What if (insert crazy shit)?" about anything..

Such an awesome game. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Another_World_(video_game))

Haha I played that game in the mid 90's. My brother and I got a demo compilation called "House of Games" or something at a computer show and that one was one of our favorites.

F@ BANKZ
09-10-2008, 09:31 AM
I came online to make a thread entitled "Well Done BBS" for having not made this thread, and then I saw this thread.

nieh
09-10-2008, 10:14 AM
Haha I played that game in the mid 90's. My brother and I got a demo compilation called "House of Games" or something at a computer show and that one was one of our favorites.

I had it on SNES way back in the day. I bought it again a few months ago after I saw that they ported it to XP/Vista. I forgot just how awesome (and hard in some spots) it was. It's also fairly impressive in the fact that everything from the artwork to the programming (aside from the music) was done entirely by one person and that it's the first 2D game to use polgyons instead of sprites for all of its graphics.

Sunny
09-10-2008, 10:53 AM
I came online to make a thread entitled "Well Done BBS" for having not made this thread, and then I saw this thread.

i think you have too much faith in the intellectual capacity of some BBS members. ;p

it seems like quite a few people here have caught a really nasty case of the dumbs. it's not an epidemic yet, but i'm concerned. :/

Rooster
09-10-2008, 11:19 AM
Yaaay, tomorrow's gonna be the judgement day! IT'S ABOUT THE FECKIN' TIME! I'm already excited :D

Lizardus
09-10-2008, 11:39 AM
Gentlemen:
http://img392.imageshack.us/img392/6168/48664019fp0.jpg

Rooster
09-10-2008, 11:54 AM
Gentlemen:
*picture*

Wait, so you mean it's not going to happen tomorrow:(? *re-reads the article and previous posts*... IN FOUR YEARS?!? Dammit...

By the way, you seem have some troubles to recognise a joke, eh?

Endymion
09-10-2008, 12:17 PM
raptor, they turned the beam on 12 hours ago. and the first collisions will be in about eight weeks.

Rooster
09-10-2008, 12:24 PM
raptor, they turned the beam on 12 hours ago. and the first collisions will be in about eight weeks.

YESS, that's great news!

Now seriously, does anyone here believe that this will happen? I think it's just media exagerration, but at the same time i wonder what they'll do with those small black holes (if they would be created). Interesting.

Endymion
09-10-2008, 09:06 PM
but at the same time i wonder what they'll do with those small black holes (if they would be created). Interesting.

nothing. we can't control them. they'd just be there and then evaporate. and we can watch what they do when they evaporate. and hawking may or may not be right. i don't think there are any experiments we could do on the entropy or information of a black hole, which are the most interesting properties.

Hypno Toad
09-10-2008, 09:38 PM
The world didn't blow up today. I hope it doesn't blow up on october 19 when the next test is. Far cry 2 is coming out on the 21st, I would feel ripped off if the world got eaten by a black hole, or consumed by strangelet particles.

adombomb222
09-10-2008, 09:39 PM
are we dead yet?

T-6005
09-10-2008, 09:48 PM
That's like saying "What if I flush my toilet and lava shoots out into my face?"
I have no idea of the science or possibilities behind the LHC, so this analogy is so strangely reassuring it's insane.

Endymion
09-10-2008, 10:13 PM
I have no idea of the science or possibilities behind the LHC, so this analogy is so strangely reassuring it's insane.

so the LHC is going to smash protons into protons at the highest controlled energies ever. however, cosmic rays (form the sun and elsewhere) hit other protons in our upper atmosphere at much higher energies all the time. thus, anything we will see in the LHC (under highly controlled conditions with all sorts of equipment to measure everything related to the reactions) is also happening in the air above us all the time. there is absolutely nothing to worry about. if strangelets were possible at these energies and were dangerous, we'd know because the earth would have been destroyed billions of years ago. if micro black holes will be created at these energies, then they're above us right now and if they were dangerous the earth would have been destroyed billions of years ago. *anything* that might happen in the LHC has happened above the state of california as i typed this message. the only difference is the LHC has all sorts of detectors around it so we can accurately observe how the reactions occur and what the results are.

sKratch
09-11-2008, 05:57 AM
i don't think there are any experiments we could do on the entropy or information of a black hole, which are the most interesting properties.

Word. Black hole thermodynamics is some interesting shit.