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one hundred punks
10-10-2008, 03:08 AM
ROUND TWO BITCHES!!!!!!!!!!
http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l48/conspiracyofnone/121206axl3rb1.jpg

http://www.billboard.com/bbcom/news/articl...t_id=1003872663
Jonathan Cohen, N.Y.
More than a decade after its conception, Guns N' Roses' "Chinese Democracy" will finally see the light of day before year's end, sources close to the situation confirm to Billboard. As first reported here, the set will be a Best Buy exclusive and will be available Sunday, Nov. 23, rather than the usual Tuesday.

Beyond enticing pre-Thanksgiving shoppers, the move is tied to the structure of Best Buy's sales week, which runs from Sunday to Saturday. As such, "Chinese Democracy" would not be eligible to chart on The Billboard 200 until the week of Dec. 1, according to Nielsen SoundScan.

In the run-up to release date, album track "Shackler's Revenge" will debut in the video game "Rock Band 2," while a portion of "If the World" is playing over the end credits in the new Leonardo DiCaprio/Russell Crowe film "Body of Lies."

In addition, GNR's seminal 1987 debut, "Appetite for Destruction," will be reissued on vinyl on Oct. 28 via Interscope.

The band's last new studio albums were the simultaneously released "Use Your Illusion I" and "II" in September 1991. A covers set, "The Spaghetti Incident?," followed in 1993, and featured some of the last GNR recordings from original guitarist Slash and bassist Duff McKagan.

This spring, soft drink manufacturer Dr Pepper offered to send a free can of the beverage to "everyone in America" (excluding ex-GNR members Slash and Buckethead) if "Chinese Democracy" were to arrive anytime during the calendar year 2008.

"We're waiting to hear about 'Chinese Democracy' just like all the other GNR fans," Dr Pepper VP of marketing Tony Jacobs tells Billboard. "But if the rumors are true, we're putting the Dr Pepper on ice."

MasteR GunneR
10-10-2008, 07:30 AM
Haha and everyone will be deeply disappointed when it finally comes out because it's not what they expected it to be.
That would be just great.

holland25
10-10-2008, 08:40 AM
I don't believe it.

Rooster
10-10-2008, 10:34 AM
Already!?!

Oh my GOD, i can't believe it! It took them so short time to make it, i mean, who on earth would be able to record an album in a decade...

Redjie
10-10-2008, 02:03 PM
I'm with Raptor88, it's too quick! ahah
I'm not sure if I belive that, that album is a ghost xD

Cock Joke
10-10-2008, 03:13 PM
All I can say is "Fuck yes!" and "It is about fucking time!" and that they'd better not delay it YET AGAIN!!!

Cock Joke
10-10-2008, 03:14 PM
Already!?!

Oh my GOD, i can't believe it! It took them so short time to make it, i mean, who on earth would be able to record an album in a decade...

I know right? They really rushed this one! :D

Alex101
10-10-2008, 03:42 PM
Is this really true? Or are they trying to fool us again?

Cock Joke
10-10-2008, 04:35 PM
LOL! I love how the official site like never has any news whatsoever regarding anything like release dates & shit.

dff_punk
10-10-2008, 06:21 PM
2011 sounds real to me...

one hundred punks
10-10-2008, 11:22 PM
It's older than than the 'old' GN'R - been around nearly twice as long, in fact.

It's Guns N' Roses - were November Rain, Estranged, Yesterdays, and Dead Horse "Axl's Solo Project" despite only his name being in the writing credits?



The only thing that's old news are the people saying, ahem, 'blah blah blah where's slash yada yada yada it's not guns n' roses boo hoo it's axl's solo project yoink yoink china will be a democracy before chinese democracy comes out cry cry cry where's slash sniff sniff'....oh and the people who waste their time asking 'who cares?' when clearly people do...including the people taking the time to ask in the first place. It's very transparent.

Slash - god bless him, he's a hell of a player and did great things for music in his prime - can keep writing throwaway gems like "Dirty Little Thing", "She Mine", and "Booze, Pills, Etc" or whatever other redundant, contrived, and generic "bad ass rock n' roll" he keeps writing using half of his ass.

Like Axl's new music or not, it's clear who had the vision and ambition in Guns N' Roses. Izzy, you say? Uh, Izzy jams with Axl and won't set foot on stage with VR. Explain that one.

Autonomist
10-10-2008, 11:24 PM
Fool me once...

one hundred punks
10-10-2008, 11:53 PM
Fool me once...

GNR have only announced one tentative date for ChiDem and that was 3/07.The media have promised it all these years, not GNR.Having said that, it is definitely coming out in Nov.Not even Axl could stop it now.

ad8
10-11-2008, 05:35 AM
2011 sounds real to me...

...but only if GNR doesn't split up before :D

Smash_Returns
10-16-2008, 09:09 AM
I hope its true... I want my DR Pepper!

BTW, Slash and Buckethead don't get any.

Cock Joke
10-16-2008, 11:59 AM
I'm getting those fucking discs on launch day even if I have to walk over to Best Buy with a ball n' chain tied to my nut sack!

Oh yea, and I will NOT rest until I get my free Dr. Pepper!

lost_nvrfound
10-16-2008, 08:30 PM
I saw this the other day and just about died laughing...

It helps matters that Ryder1234 had me pulling up old archived pages of offspring.com and one of them was the announcement that they were releasing their own Chinese Democracy.

I saw the GNR announcement the same day.

Ryder1234
10-16-2008, 08:48 PM
Wuuuuuuuut... :D

Those old pages were amazing, seriously lol.

Haha I totally knew what the thread would be about before I clicked on it (I clicked from the index, so I only saw "Guns N Roses-Chinese...", and I hadn't heard about this previously.

one hundred punks
10-17-2008, 10:53 AM
1. Chinese Democracy
2. Shackler's Revenge
3. Better
4. Street Of Dreams
5. If The World
6. There Was A Time
7. Catcher N' The Rye
8. Scraped
9. Riad N' The Bedouins
10. Sorry
11. I.R.S.
12. Madagascar
13. This I Love
14. Prostitute

Link:
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?sk...&id=1925065

bouncingcoles
10-18-2008, 08:29 AM
axel rose is the biggest piece of shit and deserves to die

one hundred punks
10-18-2008, 09:25 AM
axel rose is the biggest piece of shit and deserves to die

I am sure you met him and know him personally and are qualified to make such a statement:rolleyes:

Rooster
10-18-2008, 11:10 AM
axel rose is the biggest piece of shit and deserves to die

Yep, a bit harsh statement, although i kind of agree with you. I mean, it's not necessary to meet Axl personaly to know that he was drinking excessively (well, that could be excusable, who doesn't like to party :D) and he was abusive towards his wife (for that i can find no excuse), plus he was late to the concerts (he does care for the fans, doesn't he?), with other words - he is acting like an asshole. I'm more a casual fan of GnR, but i must admit that Apetite For Destruction is a legendary album. I just don't like Axl much.

Not Ozymandias
10-18-2008, 01:05 PM
7. Catcher N' The Rye
Mother of god. I never would've thought it was possible but this garbage might even surpass Use Your Illusion in comedy value.

SaiKYoU
10-19-2008, 07:35 AM
Chinese Democracy, the track, is really good... the rest i herad some bootlegs and dont rememember if i liked any of them... i likes one called "shadow of your love" and it's not included so...

bouncingcoles
10-19-2008, 10:19 AM
I am sure you met him and know him personally and are qualified to make such a statement:rolleyes:

you dont always have to know someone to say what they deserve

coke_a_holic
10-19-2008, 11:35 AM
I like how everyone's all excited for this. Seriously?

Seriously?

nieh
10-19-2008, 11:44 AM
I'm more excited about the prospect of free Dr. Pepper.

one hundred punks
10-20-2008, 11:13 AM
IT IS ON-HOLY SHIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
http://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermo...wsitemID=107234

cool 2 hate 681
10-20-2008, 12:23 PM
IT IS ON-HOLY SHIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
http://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermo...wsitemID=107234

the link doesn't work:(

one hundred punks
10-22-2008, 04:36 AM
http://www.q1043.com/pages/news/gunsnroses/

Cock Joke
10-22-2008, 02:40 PM
1. Chinese Democracy
2. Shackler's Revenge
3. Better
4. Street Of Dreams
5. If The World
6. There Was A Time
7. Catcher N' The Rye
8. Scraped
9. Riad N' The Bedouins
10. Sorry
11. I.R.S.
12. Madagascar
13. This I Love
14. Prostitute

Link:
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?sk...&id=1925065

The link just takes me to a blank white page.

As for the track list, I think the album will be a four disc set, so is that just for one disc? Is the four-disc thing just a lie?

IamSam
10-25-2008, 05:35 AM
I like how everyone's all excited for this. Seriously?

Seriously?

I would like to raise this question again.

Really? You guys are really excited to hear 'Guns N Roses.' Which it isn't at all?

holland25
10-26-2008, 05:23 AM
I still don't believe it.

JohnnyNemesis
10-26-2008, 09:22 AM
They should have released this back when people still listened to rock music.

holland25
10-26-2008, 12:51 PM
...and when Axl still could hold his own urine...

StayInTheHouseCarl
10-26-2008, 08:31 PM
i heard the new single yesterday.
yawn.

wasn't impressed in the slightest.

one hundred punks
10-27-2008, 12:50 AM
It don't really matter
You'll find out for yourself
No, it don't really matter
I'm gonna leave this thing to, somebody else

If they were missionaries
Real time visionaries
Sitting in a Chinese stew
To view my disinfatuation

I know that I'm a classic case
Watch my disenchanted face
Blame it on the Falun Gong
They see the end and you can't hold on, now

Cause it would take a lot more hate than you
To stop the fascination
Even with an iron fist
All they've got to rule the nation
But all I got is precious time

It don't really matter
Guess I'll keep it to myself
No, it don't really matter
It's time I look around for somebody else

'Cause it would take a lot more time than you
Have got for masturbation
Even with your iron fist
All they've got to rule the nation
But all I got is precious time
All they've got to fool the nation
But all I got is precious time

<Robin Finck solo>

It don't really matter
I guess you'll find out for yourself
No, it don't really matter
So you can hear it now from somebody else

You think you've got it all locked up inside
And if you beat 'em enough they'll die
It's like a walk in a park from a cell
And now you're keeping you're own kind in hell
And if your Great Wall rots blame yourself
As if your head were your ass you can tell
And we're out of time...

cool 2 hate 681
10-27-2008, 01:01 AM
hey blade (hope i can call you that:o)

is there any info about a chinese democracy music video?

Redjie
10-27-2008, 10:46 AM
I only have one thing to say about Shackler's Revenge: WTF?!

Free?
10-27-2008, 11:15 AM
I never really was into GnR, but Shackler's Revenge sounds interesting. It will be a good song to put into shuffled playlist, but I can imagine what storm is going on between old GnR fans. But lyrics are ways too cheesy, a mixture of overused rhymes, it's not the way good songs should be written. It's not Jimy Hendrix times when such text maybe was fresh enough to impress somebody.
Can anyone share a link to download the album?

Redjie
10-27-2008, 01:20 PM
I don't think the whole album is already out. I only listened to those two songs. As long as I know, there's no other songs available. Thank god, I guess. From what I listened.. huh. I finish my post here.

Cock Joke
10-30-2008, 05:20 PM
Look what happened to their official site! (http://web.gunsnroses.com/splash.jsp)

This is actually happening! I'm frikkin surprised as fuck! I mean, all this time later & it's finally being released!

Ninty Man
10-30-2008, 06:09 PM
Look what happened to their official site! (http://web.gunsnroses.com/splash.jsp)

This is actually happening! I'm frikkin surprised as fuck! I mean, all this time later & it's finally being released!

LOL... I'm fucking scared

Bipolar Bear
10-30-2008, 08:17 PM
As much as I dislike the band, they make good music. Hopefully this album
will be as good as their older ones.


axel rose is the biggest piece of shit and deserves to die

You're cute I like you haha

one hundred punks
11-11-2008, 03:21 AM
Rolling Stone Chinese Democracy Review

Let's get right to it: The first Guns n' Roses album of new, original songs since the first Bush administration is a great, audacious, unhinged and uncompromising hard-rock record. In other words, it sounds a lot like the Guns n' Roses you know. At times, it's the clenched-fist five that made 1987's perfect storm, Appetite for Destruction; more often, it's the one sprawled across the maxed-out CDs of 1991's Use Your Illusion I and II, but here compressed into a convulsive single disc of supershred guitars, orchestral fanfares, hip-hop electronics, metallic tabernacle choirs and Axl Rose's still-virile, rusted-siren singing.

If Rose ever had a moment's doubt or repentance over what Chinese Democracy has cost him in time (13 years), money (14 studios are listed in the credits) and body count including the exit of every other founding member of the band he left no room for it in these 14 songs. "I bet you think I'm doin' this all for my health," Rose cracks through the saturation-bombing guitars in "I.R.S.," one of several glancing references on the album to what he knows a lot of people think of him: that Rose, now 46, has spent the last third of his life running off the rails, in half-light. But when he snaps, "All things are possible/I am unstoppable," in the thumper "Scraped," that's not loony hubris just a good old rock & roll "fuck you," the kind that made him and the old band hot and famous in the first place.

Something else Rose broadcasts over and over on Chinese Democracy: Restraint is for suckers. There is plenty of familiar guitar firepower the stabbing-dagger lick that opens the first track, "Chinese Democracy," the sand-devil fuzz in "Riad N' the Bedouins" and the looping squeals over the grand anguish of "Street of Dreams." But what Slash and Izzy Stradlin used to do with two guitars now takes a wall of 'em. On some tracks, Rose has up to five guys Robin Finck, Buckethead, Paul Tobias, Ron "Bumblefoot" Thal and Richard Fortus riffing and soloing in broad, saw-toothed blurs. And that's no drag. I still think the wild, superstuffed "Oh My God" the early Chinese Democracy track wasted on the 1999 End of Days soundtrack beats everything on Guns n' Roses' 1993 covers album, The Spaghetti Incident?

Most of these songs also go through multiple U-turns in personality, as if Rose kept trying new approaches to a hook or a bridge and then decided, "What the hell, they're all cool." "Better" starts with what sounds like hip-hop voicemail severely pinched guitar, drum machine and a near-falsetto Rose ("No one ever told me when/I was alone/They just thought I'd know better") before blowing up into vintage Sunset Strip wallop. "If the World" has Buckethead plucking acoustic Spanish guitar over a blaxploitation-film groove, while Rose shows that he still holds a long-breath vowel part torture victim, part screaming jet like no other rock singer.

And there is so much going on in "There Was a Time" strings and Mellotron, a full-strength choir and Rose's overdubbed sour-growl harmonies, wah-wah guitar and a false ending (more choir) that it's easy to believe Rose spent most of the past decade on that arrangement alone. But it is never a mess, more like a loud mass of bad memories and hard lessons. In the first lines, Rose goes back to a beginning much like his own "Broken glass and cigarettes/ Writin' on the wall/It was a bargain for the summer/An' I thought I had it all" then piles on the wreckage along with the orchestra and guitars. By the end, it's one big melt of missing and kiss-off ("If I could go back in time . . . But I don't want to know it now"). If this is the Guns n' Roses that Rose kept hearing in his head all this time, it is obvious why two guitars, bass and drums were never going to be enough.

It is plain, too, that he thinks this Guns n' Roses is a band, as much as the one that recorded "Welcome to the Jungle," "Sweet Child O' Mine," "Used to Love Her" and "Civil War." The voluminous credits that come with Chinese Democracy certainly give detailed credit where it is due. My favorite: "Initial arrangement suggestions: Youth on 'Madagascar." Rose takes the big one "Lyrics N' Melodies by Axl Rose" but shares full-song bylines with other players on all but one track. Bassist Tommy Stinson plays on nearly every song, and keyboardist Dizzy Reed, the only survivor from the Illusion lineup, does the Elton John-style piano honors on "Street of Dreams."

But Rose still sings a lot about the power of sheer, solitary will even when he throws himself into a bigger fight, like "Chinese Democracy." In "Madagascar," which Rose has played live for several years now, he samples both Dr. Martin Luther King's "I have a dream" speech and dialogue from Cool Hand Luke. And at the end of the album, on the bluntly titled "Prostitute," Rose veers from an almost conversational tenor, over a ticking-bomb shuffle, to five-guitar barrage, orchestral lightning and righteous howl: "Ask yourself/Why I would choose/To prostitute myself/To live with fortune and shame." To him, the long march to Chinese Democracy was not about paranoia and control. It was about saying "I won't" when everyone else insisted, "You must." You may debate whether any rock record is worth that extreme self-indulgence. Actually, the most rock & roll thing about Chinese Democracy is he doesn't care if you do.

4 Stars.

http://www.rollingstone.com/reviews/album/24024297/review/24161281/chinese_democracy

Cock Joke
11-11-2008, 08:25 AM
4 stars!?!?!?!? awesome!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

one hundred punks
11-11-2008, 08:47 AM
4 stars!?!?!?!? awesome!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This last part sums if up perfectly for all the haters and whiners about why this album took so long:

To him, the long march to Chinese Democracy was not about paranoia and control. It was about saying "I won't" when everyone else insisted, "You must." You may debate whether any rock record is worth that extreme self-indulgence. Actually, the most rock & roll thing about Chinese Democracy is he doesn't care if you do.

Aria
11-11-2008, 09:51 AM
Oh no.. Seriously?????? I don't like them cause Dex don't like them. Haha!

one hundred punks
11-11-2008, 10:05 PM
Oh no.. Seriously?????? I don't like them cause Dex don't like them. Haha!

Judge for yourself.Who cares if Dex doesn't like them?

KyleW
11-13-2008, 07:00 AM
I always thought April 1st was april fools day, well that showed me... :confused:

holland25
11-16-2008, 06:00 AM
I still don't believe it. Even after 6 pages of this thread.

Rooster
11-16-2008, 07:38 AM
I still don't believe it. Even after 6 pages of this thread.

Me neither. I won't let them fool me. I won't believe untill i actually see the CD in a store. But even then it might turn out as a hoax, and we might find out that it was actually some band called Runs 'n' Gooses who released the album...

one hundred punks
11-16-2008, 10:47 AM
Me neither. I won't let them fool me. I won't believe untill i actually see the CD in a store. But even then it might turn out as a hoax, and we might find out that it was actually some band called Runs 'n' Gooses who released the album...

Are you kidding? There are reviews in Rolling Stone that I posted. There are pics of people online with the album in hand (Mexico was selling it early) it is happening.I don't care if it took 20 years.Quality over quantity.

Rooster
11-16-2008, 11:13 AM
Are you kidding? There are reviews in Rolling Stone that I posted. There are pics of people online with the album in hand (Mexico was selling it early) it is happening.I don't care if it took 20 years.Quality over quantity.

Yep, i'm kidding.

I think i'm going to check this album out. I'm interested in what they have to offer now. I still think that Axl is (or at least was) kind of an asshole, but i'm going to let him be an asshole if the album is good...

cool 2 hate 681
11-17-2008, 09:14 PM
Look what happened to their official site! (http://web.gunsnroses.com/splash.jsp)

This is actually happening! I'm frikkin surprised as fuck! I mean, all this time later & it's finally being released!

now Better is on there:eek:

KyleW
11-18-2008, 04:15 AM
I saw the TV ad for it yesterday, suprisingly it seems.... real.

Anyway, I hate G&R but I'll buy just to say I have a copy.

Cock Joke
11-18-2008, 06:26 PM
now Better is on there:eek:

I wish it would actually play. Time to go to Youtube.

holland25
11-19-2008, 04:55 AM
I still don't believe it even though I own a high-quality rip of the album.

cool 2 hate 681
11-19-2008, 05:24 PM
I still don't believe it even though I own a high-quality rip of the album.

im downloading the leak right now

Forza
11-20-2008, 09:10 AM
Surprisingly good. Really.

Cock Joke
11-22-2008, 11:42 AM
Well, tomorrow's the big day!!!

one hundred punks
11-22-2008, 07:43 PM
The most anticipated album of all time is almost here. A big fuck you from Axl to all the haters. It has been (more than) 14 years of silence but GNR are back!

Rooster
11-23-2008, 04:17 AM
Hmm, i kinda like some songs i've heard. I might get this album. Maybe it was worth of waiting so long.

Cock Joke
11-23-2008, 12:11 PM
I am listening to it right now.

Jebus
11-23-2008, 01:19 PM
Free Dr. Pepper! 9 hours left! (http://www.drpepper.com/freeDrPepper/)

dff_punk
11-23-2008, 01:22 PM
Well, some songs are good, but overall the album seems a bit weak to me, especially after all the waiting.. but maybe it will grow on me, who knows.

cool 2 hate 681
11-23-2008, 06:28 PM
Free Dr. Pepper! 9 hours left! (http://www.drpepper.com/freeDrPepper/)

that website won't work for me:mad:

if you call the consumer relations line at 1-800-696-5891 it is busy

Jebus
11-23-2008, 07:19 PM
I was still in the process of typing my info when I posted that. When I hit submit, it loaded forever and my info never went through. They better extend the promotion. This total bull. I want my free soda!

Cock Joke
11-23-2008, 07:24 PM
Does anyone know how we go about getting it?

cool 2 hate 681
11-23-2008, 07:46 PM
i think we got screwed i it won't load in firefox or IE on two computers :mad:

maybe they just want to spam everyone's email ?

edit the website went down


Service Unavailable

Llamas
11-23-2008, 11:15 PM
lol I saw this CD in an ad for Best Buy today, and I laughed. I thought, "wait, that album hasn't come out yet? Weren't they talking about it in... 2000??" What a bunch of hacks!

holland25
11-24-2008, 04:02 AM
lol I saw this CD in an ad for Best Buy today, and I laughed. I thought, "wait, that album hasn't come out yet? Weren't they talking about it in... 1850??" What a bunch of hacks!

Fixed .

nieh
11-24-2008, 08:12 AM
They have a bunch of copies at my local CD store, so they were lying about it being a Best Buy exclusive. Unless they were just talking about national chains as opposed to smaller places.

one hundred punks
11-24-2008, 03:33 PM
They have a bunch of copies at my local CD store, so they were lying about it being a Best Buy exclusive. Unless they were just talking about national chains as opposed to smaller places.

It is a Best Buy exclusive in the US but there is nothing stopping smaller stores from ordering imports of it.

The album is fucking amazing by the way.

Cock Joke
11-24-2008, 04:30 PM
I'm listening to it for the third time & Better is an excellent song.

Now where's the Dr. Pepper, dammit!?

one hundred punks
11-26-2008, 06:39 AM
Catcher In The Rye: Simply amazing.

On an ordinary day
Not in an ordinary way
All at once the song I heard
No longer would it play
For anybody
Or anyone
That needed comfort from somebody
Needed comfort from someone
Who cared
To be
Not like you
And unlike me

And then the voices went away from me
Somehow you set the wheels in motion
That haunt our memories
You were the instrument
You were the one
How a body
Took the body
You gave that boy a gun

You took our innocence
Beyond our stares
Sometimes the only thing
We counted on
When no one else was there

Free?
11-26-2008, 06:00 PM
I'm digging it. Definitely a record that needs some time, it's so diverse.

SaiKYoU
11-27-2008, 04:09 PM
http://spb.fotologs.net/photo/27/46/13/ixnay_on/1227814386003_f.jpg

one hundred punks
12-12-2008, 08:54 AM
Axl Rose answered fan questions last night! In the gNR forums, it was fuckin awesome! His name is "Dexter"

fan:
Imagine you post on the Britney Spears fan forum.

Now imagine the son of Britney's maid posting on the forum and everyone gushing over him because of his association to Britney. Nevermind that he never posts anything notable and is generally annoying.

That's Fernando.

axl:
Might as well start here... You're a little cunt and since you've been posting you've pretty much always been a little cunt. Blind accusations and insults by an anonymous coward and whiny shit stirrer aren't impressive or needed by anyone. Everyone else...talk with your administrator. Who wants to chat?!!

fan:
Pot meet kettle.

axl:
Not real bright are ya?

fan:
No, not really.

Then again I'm not the one who needs a house keeper to wipe my ass.

axl:
Ah... another cunt! So shocking!

axl:
Aw c'mon, nobody wants to play? U go on forever about where am I and I'm right here.

fan:
Yeah, I'm a miserable cunt who's not a fan of the band and Axl doesn't need fans like me.

Reality check here.

The only one's who's a apparently a miserable cunt is somebody who alienates and hides himself from the world and blames fans who pays his bills so he eat his duck roast dinner's.

Axl instead of coming here and calling me a cunt get off your ass and stick your head out of the fucking window. "All I've got in the press is shit after shit" which is exactly what we have gotten. Instead of being so butt sore over what some dude on the Internet says do what you do best put on a helluva of a show and make good music.

axl:
I don't work for you. Just cuz u think so don't make it true.

axl:
Blame the fans?

fan:
I never said you worked for me..

Is it that hard to talk to your fan base? Fuck you're apparently doing it now.

I don't know what Beta and Del have told you but us the fans have put up with your shit were the reason CD sold as much as it did along with every Gn"R record.

After all the years of telling people to suck your dick you'd think you'd grow a fucking pair to actually speak or say something after the release other than hiding in the batcave under your desk while WASP plays with strippers going up and down.

Blame the fans or anybody else seems to be the GN'R moto.

axl:
Why would anyone have to tell me anything? What would you know of anything actually going on in my world. Nice fantasy though, wish I had the time.

fan:
Tell that to Uncle Axl for me.

Does Beta cut his chicken dinner for him or does he actually cut it himself?

I'm not acting tough against a computer screen I'm trying to figure out why the thing's in the GN'R camp is such a mindfuck and get Axl out of this little world of comfort he's apparently built for himself.

axl:
Your misconceptions and fantasies along with your misguided sense of entitlement don't dictate my actions.

admin:
Just so there is no confusion, Dexter is Axl Rose.

fan:
a fight between a forum user and axl rose oh how classic is this

axl:
Nah. Friendly banter by those with opposing views.

fan:
If this is true. I have one question for you Axl. What is stopping the fans from seeing you Slash, Duff, and Izzy back on stage together?

axl:

U've been lied to and misled for such a long time that sorting through all that here is virtually impossible. A lot will come out over time but the truth has been out there for a long time as well but that doesn't give you what you want so this dance just goes on and on.

fan:
thanks for playing Rocket Queen in Melbourne
The red bike was awesome

axl:
I think it's in the Better vid. Not sure if we cut it.

fan:
just a quick question Axl,

how come you always come on stage so late at gigs?

ps I LOVE YOU MAN !!!!!!!

axl:
I've been an after midnight type since I was sneakin' out of my house in Jr. High. With old Guns we preferred 12am or so. When we moved to theaters etc obviously that changes but it's never changed inside me. Doesn't matter what I do so generally that's when I'm more myself. This isn't to mess with anyone that has an early schedule to keep it's just personal preference.

And in regard to the size venues I'm on record as preferring what ever venues allow for our schedule but management and promoters can do a lot in their own interests behind the scenes that can rarely be avoided and their greed or whatever leads to a lot of double talk and ugly behind nonsense that generally eventually ruins things for everyone. Translated once a tour is scheduled however it's like parting the seas to change.

As far as being late, I've been that way my whole life. It drove Izzy crazy but he would check himself and freely admit I was generally actually doing something that had to get done rather than watching basketball etc.

fan:
Hey Dexter,

Just wanted to say I really appreciate the song ‘Scraped’…Awesome work….Also, while I was interning for President-Elect Obama, we all found ‘Madagascar’ to be very inspirational on certain days….Also, seen you in Iowa in ’06 and you certainly didn’t look tardy…and in Ill in 02…I think you and the guys gave top performances…

I can’t believe you entered this particular jungle tonight…haha

axl:
Obama! That's a big gig! I need some presidential press advisors and speech writers!!

I'd like to thank everyone for their positive comments. They're very appreciated.

fan:
Axl do you really have 2 or 3 other albums of material?

axl:
For now we'll concentrate and keep our focus on this album but I will say I've always thought of it as a double.

And no offence but no one's trying to talk in parables. The issues are a bit more complex than anyone would like.

fan:
Axl I would like to know why you avoid the press so much. I think it's definitely hurting album sales, I mean, you haven't even done one interview. I know for sure you'd be able to get a few magazine covers. So why don't you? Why be such a hermit/recluse?

axl:
That's ur opinion and it very well could be true.

What I have to say a lot of people have no desire to hear.

With our team we were able to negotiate thru a mountain of issues to be able to release the album. Within' those negotiations I believed I had secured agreements, commitments and assurances that would have allowed a promotional strategy to be implemented that obviously I've had a fair amount of time to consider. Unfortunately those things never happened and once the record was closer to release the biz went about things in their standard business as usual mode.

fan:
axl, why did you change "the bues" to "street of dreams"??

axl:


The Blues was my first working title and I was never comfortable with it in the sense that I felt that should be used with a bluesier based song. And here in Hollywood with the walk of fame etc I had always seen that imagery in my head when I think of it. I also like the idea of the song having in affect two titles.


fan:
Axl, have you been in contact with steven adler at all? Not as far as playing with him or anything, just to like lend him support?

axl:
do wish Steven the best and in my heart hope that he finds some peace and security. As far as direct contact no. It unfortunately gets too messy too quick. In Steven's mind I'm the one who holds the keys and power over his happiness so I'm the bad guy pretty quickly.

fan:
A video for "Better" was mentioned. Any ideas for a date of release, and/or in what capacities it will be released? What style of video is planned - live footage, some more dramatic theme? Great song. Can't wait to see what you guys have created for a visual.

axl:
Soon is the word as in a week or so.

fan:
Axl, cherry or original flavor Nyquil?

axl:
prefer cherry night time for breakfast around 11pm

fan:
Hey Axl,
Is Mickey going to pay you back for letting them use SCOM in the Wrestler by starring in a new Guns video?

axl:
Actually Mickey agreed to play The Shackler if we were to make a vid for it.

fan:
I keep asking questions (like everybody else, I suppose) and feel stupid for asking so many, but I am also curious as to your relationship with Mickey Rourke. He's one of my favourite actors, and I saw an interview with him recently where he said you were kind enough to give him songs for The Wrestler. My question is: how long do you and Mickey go back, and do you have any interesting stories from "back in the day"? You guys strike me as being pretty similar in a lot of ways (I mean as far as personalities and what you've been through in your lives) and it's cool for me to see two of my pop culture "heroes," for lack of better description, being friends, and also making similarly timed "comebacks." (Or whatever you want to call it.)

axl:
Mickey and I haven't really hung much but have a lot of mutual friends over the years. He's always been massively supportive. I've always been a big fan of his as well. It's probably better for both of us we didn't hang directly back in the day!!

fan:
Who do you listen to for hardcore blues? I'm a blues singer and I can tell from your work that you have at least got way into a couple of blues records

axl:
Bessie Smith, Zep 1, Robert Johnson, Tumbleweed Connection, Janice.

fan:
Axl what do you think about Portuguese girls?

axl:
Lots!!

axl:
Havin' a bit of trouble posting replies. Interrupted connection and all that.

Here's some answers.

Into Sorry musically most rt now.

Estranged and Civil War probably somewhere.

I probably just fucked the song up, wish it had deeper meaning.

Sometimes but not underground!

PC but I use both.

fan:
Hey Axl, is the song Atlas Shrugged as epic as the book? Who is your favorite character from the book?

axl:
Song doesn't have all that much to do with the book other than trying to do what you believe in and a line about shoulders not being wide enough.

one hundred punks
12-12-2008, 08:55 AM
fan:
Yeah the internets going slow because so many users are online

Axl was their ever a cover B and cover C for chinese democracy?

axl:
Yes there are. There are 2 more covers/bk cover combos and the real booklet that is all artwork that will be out shortly in some form. It's been an ugly battle that hasn't made any sense to anyone and whether anyone cares about such things the booklet or artwork has always been something I've been passionate about and to release the album with unapproved and unseen final artwork with a !st work only error filled draft when others more recent were readily available still has not been explained but is finally getting cleared up. My fave is the How Are You Grenade cover.

fan:
Axl how do you feel about Kanye outselling Chinese Democracy? Do you like Kanye's music?

axl:
I met Kanye at the Versace awards. He was very gracious. I love Gold Digger and told him so. I'm a big fan of his stage performance as he seems to go for it physically which I relate more to. B4 r release I sent him a msg that any nonsense from the media had nothing to do with us and wished him the best. I'm humbled we've done as well as we have considering.

one hundred punks
12-12-2008, 08:56 AM
And here's the Q&As from Here Today Gone to Hell--

fan--
Axl do you control the weather or is that solely Oprah?

Axl--
Oprah

fan--
Jarmo, do you know the reason behind the name Dexter? Is he a fan of the show (on Showtime)? Just curious...No need to reply if the reason is deemed private/personal.
could be because of the guy from The Offspring, too... but I'd rather it be the TV show.

Axl--
The show and my cat named after the show, she's a methodical killer.

fan--
Hi Axl, how's it going?
Just wanted to ask if you had any fond memories from the UK leg of the tour from 2006, particularly the concert in Glasgow in July?

Axl--
Glasgow was great. I think that's where I got to do a lot of slides on the stage. Was like a race track or something rt?

fan--
Axl, thanks for Chinese Democracy which i personally think is your best work.
what's your pick for album of the year?
and have you heard the new MetallicA album?

Axl--
Ours of course!!
Yes, I like it.

fan--
Axl will you tour Australia next year, and when are you looking at doing so?
If you could work with buckethead again, would you have him just in studio, or also would you welcome him in the touring lineup?

Axl--
Austrailia's great and the crowds are really alive. No plans yet but I'm sure there will be.

I have no issues with Bucket. It's hard to tell what was real or not in things we were told by Merck. He's more than welcome to tour with us in some form or other provided we're both interested at the time and come to some type of reasonable terms. Personally I have a blast w/Bucket on tour and get a big kick out of the guy. A lot of feelings were hurt on this side of the fence in how things went down and unfortunately others used our silence and the public's not knowing for their own purposes at both Bucket's and our expense.

fan--
Now that you said that please tell us if Robin's out or not... because, otherwise, we'll be reading several 'Axl wants Bucket back and Robin/Bumble/Richard out' type of threads for the entire '09 year and these threads annoy us, the new lineup fans.

Axl--
It really is what it is. No decisions have been made by either him, I or us that I'm aware of.

When we're touring or working in the studio or there's social things like a friend's dinner or party whatever we would hang. But as people get older they have their own lives. The Stones aren't going bowling every Tuesday etc.

Robin leads one of the most different lives I know of starting with the trapeze in his backyard to the tv in his closet. Robin's work on the next is done so there's not lots for him to do here except the elusive promo and he'd rather be on stage.

It's more about seeing where things are when Guns decides it's right for a tour and if we're able to make agreements we both are comfortable and can live with at that time.

fan--
As a native Colombian I must ask:
In 1992, while performing November Rain in Bogota (in November), it rained.
Wait no....it poured.
How weird was that, eh?

Axl--
Very surreal and religious feeling. So was being chased by the military in our plane down the runway gettin' outta Dodge there!!

fan--
Hi axl!
just wondering what stops you from playing more guitar live?

Axl--
skill

fan--
Hey Axl,
Are you checking your PM's???

Axl--
Not rt now. It's a bit slow getting around on here rt now.
Let's talk about Catcher!!
Who's 1st?

fan--
Axl/Dexter, I'm fixing to pack everyhting I own into my car and drive out to L.A. from Arkansas to give a career in music a shot. Any advice? Or should I just shit in my pants, dive in and swim?

Axl--
Follow your heart, don't sell out and read every book on the biz u can find.

fan--
Catcher is one of the best songs on the album, why no Brian?

Axl--
There's a few reasons and none of them all that big and definitely not in spite or to slight anyone.

1st off obviously I knew people liked the song but the Brian appreciation really only showed up in force publicly after we had moved on in Guns. In fact Not many seemed to care and most comments were aimed at why Slash in their opinions should be here.

Brians solo itself is a personal fave of mine and I really couldn't understand as he's such a rock legend why it wasn't openly appreciated more at the time.

In actuality all that feel and emotion referred to now had a lot to do with Sean and I and the parts I chose out of Brian's different runs, versions, practice runs etc to make sure we had those elements in one version. It's entirely constructed from edits based around one specific note Brian hit in a throw away take. And though Brian seems to have warmed a bit to it at least publicly he was unfortunately none to pleased at the time with our handiwork.

I remember looking at Brian standing to my left and him staring at the big studio speakers a bit aghast saying "But that's not what I played."

Sean Beavan and I were not in any way tring to mess with Brian we just did what we do and then try and do our best to stand up for our decisions.

fan--
Axl are you still thinking of suing Dr Peppers ass?

Axl--
Sure but the actions taken so far had nothing to do with me and I was taken off guard as I had specifically told our team who fucking cares rt now we have a record to deal with.

My feelings are after their public response. It was cute.

Maybe the guy who got it rolling originally meant well but it turned out sour and maybe it's just me but he seems like maybe he wants a bit too much attention so...

fan--
I'm sorry for posting this again! It's just..I don't get this chance everyday!
Ever still think about working with Jeff Lynne I think you two would be fuckin awesome together.
Would you ever give an unkown band a chance to open for you guys?
How do you feel about Double Fantasy? I could see u covering watching the wheels
Have you seen the movie The Aviator any thoughts it is my favorite of all time.

Axl--
Not presently but he's a true hero of mine.
Absolutely. I think we have or at least relatively but I could be mistaken
Big Lennon fan.
I piss in jars all the time only I throw them at people!! j/k

fan--
when are the online shop opening?

Axl--
I haven't been involved much in any of our merch and the reasons are it's been a mess legally for years. Unbeknownst to most of you I was recently sued again by Duff and Slash for some murky Merckiness that I was unaware and not involved in. Fortunately that was resolved but it got ugly and took a while going into arbitration.

Merck shifted our merch from some of our newer styles to incorporating more of the old with some scam that actually and surprisingly lost sales in comparison but that's old news.

What I look forward to is incorporating the new artwork into our merch and getting some for myself. I think u'll like a lot of it. My vote's for the How Are You grenade and the Sorry automatic rifle artwork on shirts etc.

one hundred punks
12-12-2008, 08:57 AM
unknown fan question--
?

Axl--
I do like the lyrics.

I wrote a paragraph or so on the new booklet and more on the story of what's out now but it got lost in the traffic jam.

fan--
DEXTER/AXL,
How do you feel about artists covering your songs ?

Axl--
Depends but in general it's great.

fan--
Hey Axl , whats your favourite song from either Chinese Democracy, or from an unreleased album?

Axl--
The bridge in "Elvis Presley and the Monster of Soul aka The Soul Monster (working title Leave Me Alone)" which will no doubt end up "Soul Monster".

I think it's r most Black Sabbath moment. Sang it on a Christmas eve. Imo the meanest section of anything I've sung to date. Which having said that I'm sure when it's heard others may disagree but we felt it was a Christmas card of unadulterated venom so to speak. I felt a lot better afterward.

fan--
Axl, how is your relationship with the former members/friends of GNR???

Axl--
Not sure I understand the question.

fan--
Axl, do you know of any steak house in the Los Angeles area better than The Cut?

Axl--
Haven't been but I hear it's great. Maestros T.O. is pretty good.

Someone give me a list of all the alleged song titles at once and I'll tell what's real or not. Most from the past like cockroach soup or eulogy aren't.

fan--
Atlas Shrugged
No Love Remains
Take That
When Love Collides (I believe that was the name)

Axl--
only Atlas

fan--
I know this is jumping the gun big time, but any tentative idea when you would like to see the next CD come out?

Axl--
No, maybe same bat time, same bat channel next year but we'll have to see.

fan--
Hey Axl,
Is there anything in the past that you have now looked back on and thought maybe I culd have handled that differently, also what are your ongoing hopes for GnR in the future?
I have cyclothemia and sometimes get this feeling that I cant be around people and need my own space and area, how do you find the bipolar effect you, if you dont mind me asking that is?
thanks again for doing this.

Alex

Axl--
Of course but in the world of sports and litigation....

I've not been diagnosed as being bipolar though many misconstrue statements I made earlier as alluding to such and unfortunately there's been an abundance of misguided or unqualified speculation of various events but I definitely can relate to needing my own space.

In my world all bi polar means (and not to offend or make light of those suffering from a genuine condition or involved with those who are) is that someone can try to take cheap uneducated shots or try to claim I'm bipolar thus justifying why they should get paid a financial settlement for whatever nonsense they're up to. Fortunately that hasn't proved successful.

fan--
Axl,
- What is your honest opinion on why the old lineup disintegrated ?
- What is your honest opinion on why it took so long for CD to come out ?
I think that's what most people want to know but dare not ask ...

Axl--
2 great but complicated questions and I agree that people would like to know at least my take on things.

Not avoiding them here but they deserve more than I can give as we've been at this a little while. But I'm attempting to speak out on several issues these being a major focus over the coming weeks and months. What I can say now is u've been told a lot of things in order for others to promote themselves that factually they cannot backup in regard to either. They are complicated legally, financially and have devoured a good portion of my life.

The record Chinese u may have is nothing short of a miracle in almost each and every way that either it or I exist imo under the bizarre and ugly conditions of the last over 15yrs.

Thanks everyone and thanks for all the support and the positive comments both 2nite and over the years. I hope to do this again soon, maybe sooner than u'd think! And u didn't scare me off I'm just burnt and would rather not mispeak on issues that may mean a lot to some.

Thanks again.

Peace,

Axl-

And Checkmate is a bogus title.
















The working title is Jackie Chan.

cool 2 hate 681
02-09-2009, 01:33 PM
new axl interview most interesting part is when he talks about slash at the end

http://www.billboard.com/bbcom/specials/axl-speaks/interview.shtml

Blitzkrieg Bop
02-23-2009, 12:24 PM
The album is fucking amazing by the way.

I managed to lay my hands on a copy and I must strongly disagree ... the only part that I enjoyed was the guitar playing and Axl has definately lost his voice ... not that he ever really had one.