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Free?
10-14-2008, 07:46 AM
As weird as it may sound after all the time RAFRAG is out, but I'd like to see what people think Half-Truism is about. I was sure that it's a self-liberation anthem all that time, but iGustavo thought that it's about revolution and if you assume Half-Truism being a revolutionary song it kinda makes sense too.
I don't think that Dexter would write any revolution-song, Manic Subsidal times have passed long ago and now it's really not his thing.
1.What do you think is Half-Truism about?
2.What's the main message of it?


I think I'm gonna start same thread about Rise And Fall too soon :rolleyes:

The Search Button
10-14-2008, 08:08 AM
Let me just help out by giving some insight on the song's title.

Half-Truism:

Altruism - Altruism is selfless concern for the welfare of others.

Truism - A truism is a claim that is so obvious or self-evident as to be hardly worth mentioning, except as a reminder or as a rhetorical or literary device.

So half "truthiness" and half care about other people.

Gustavo
10-14-2008, 08:15 AM
Great! I love this kind of threads.

Well, as I said before, I believe that this song is about a revolutionary scene or war. Or, maybe, vandalism...
And as I said before, people like Ernesto Che Guevara crossed into my mind when I started 'studying' this song

My interpretation of the song:

One is for envy
And one just for spite
Someone goes to the revolution for envy and someone for spite
The cuts in my heart
In all the protests, someone may get hurt or beaten
They show in your eyes
Don’t make it better
The twisting knife
Turns all by itself
Move on to someone else
And there is some kind of cicle, some kind of endless cicle, there will always be someone leaving and someone entering to this 'cicle'

Your self-liberation
Will leave this behind
Beyond slings and arrows
With all the things on the way, he/she keeps going on what he/she believes in
That rain on our minds
You’ll make it better
The person who is there, protesting or in a revolution, or whatever... Believes that what he is doing is the best thing for the world
Shake it off
It never mattered anyway

If we don’t make it alive
Well it’s a hell of a good day to die
All our light that shines strong
Only lasts for so long
This part, for me, really shows the hope inside

And it’s ashes to ashes again
Should we even try to pretend?
All our light that shines strong
Only lasts for so long

The banner you’re waving
Is burning and red
Firstly I thought that red in this case meant socialism or comunism, which got me thinking that this song may be about the Cold War, which I believe that is the subject for the song "Conspiracy of One", but, as Rutegard said, red may mean blood too... But, I still believe in the comunism or socialism thing, because the word "banner" in this case could be something related to flag, right? (Sorry if my English messed up).. So, the 'red flag' would be burning due the destruction caused be the oppositors of the revolution
It’s blocking the sunlight
That shines overhead
You against the world
Diamonds and pearls
This part REALLY got me thinking that this song is about socialism, because... Like, in the cold war, it was something like capitalism vs. socialism... And "You against the world" for me shows that the 'song person' is a socialist, and he/she is against the consumism, a free world... You can see that "Diamonds and pearls" are sort of a capitalist symbol due its high prices
Voices inside you churn
Watch the city burn

Your own liberation
Will leave them behind
All the slings and arrows
That rain on your mind
Don’t make it better
Break it cause
It never mattered anyway

Well, that's my opinion on the song, hope I haven't gone too far :P
And about writing revolutionary songs not being Dexter's 'thing', I thought about that too, and I thought that maybe he just felt like it.

lost_nvrfound
10-14-2008, 08:22 AM
I always thought it was about, like, this person who was going to get what they wanted no matter who they hurt in the process, even the ones that love them. You know? Like this guys girlfriend who is so caught up in reaching whatever goal it is, that nothing will stand in the way.

Free?
10-14-2008, 08:33 AM
Let me just help out by giving some insight on the song's title.

Half-Truism:

Altruism - Altruism is selfless concern for the welfare of others.

Truism - A truism is a claim that is so obvious or self-evident as to be hardly worth mentioning, except as a reminder or as a rhetorical or literary device.

So half "truthiness" and half care about other people.

Fuck, I just CAN'T put all of this into a simple explanation. *headdesk* *headdesk* *headdesk* . My brain just is refusing to cooperate! :mad: :)

darea
10-14-2008, 08:49 AM
Great! I love this kind of threads.

Well, as I said before, I believe that this song is about a revolutionary scene or war. Or, maybe, vandalism...
And as I said before, people like Ernesto Che Guevara crossed into my mind when I started 'studying' this song

My interpretation of the song:

One is for envy
And one just for spite
Someone goes to the revolution for envy and someone for spite
The cuts in my heart
In all the protests, someone may get hurt or beaten
They show in your eyes
Donít make it better
The twisting knife
Turns all by itself
Move on to someone else
And there is some kind of cicle, some kind of endless cicle, there will always be someone leaving and someone entering to this 'cicle'

Your self-liberation
Will leave this behind
Beyond slings and arrows
With all the things on the way, he/she keeps going on what he/she believes in
That rain on our minds
Youíll make it better
The person who is there, protesting or in a revolution, or whatever... Believes that what he is doing is the best thing for the world
Shake it off
It never mattered anyway

If we donít make it alive
Well itís a hell of a good day to die
All our light that shines strong
Only lasts for so long
This part, for me, really shows the hope inside

And itís ashes to ashes again
Should we even try to pretend?
All our light that shines strong
Only lasts for so long

The banner youíre waving
Is burning and red
Firstly I thought that red in this case meant socialism or comunism, which got me thinking that this song may be about the Cold War, which I believe that is the subject for the song "Conspiracy of One", but, as Rutegard said, red may mean blood too... But, I still believe in the comunism or socialism thing, because the word "banner" in this case could be something related to flag, right? (Sorry if my English messed up).. So, the 'red flag' would be burning due the destruction caused be the oppositors of the revolution
Itís blocking the sunlight
That shines overhead
You against the world
Diamonds and pearls
This part REALLY got me thinking that this song is about socialism, because... Like, in the cold war, it was something like capitalism vs. socialism... And "You against the world" for me shows that the 'song person' is a socialist, and he/she is against the consumism, a free world... You can see that "Diamonds and pearls" are sort of a capitalist symbol due its high prices
Voices inside you churn
Watch the city burn

Your own liberation
Will leave them behind
All the slings and arrows
That rain on your mind
Donít make it better
Break it cause
It never mattered anyway

Well, that's my opinion on the song, hope I haven't gone too far :P
And about writing revolutionary songs not being Dexter's 'thing', I thought about that too, and I thought that maybe he just felt like it.

I really like your interpretation of the song, it makes sense. And it's my favourite song, so its nice to know what people think of it.
I always thought it must have a revolutionary/rebellious thing to it.

If we donít make it alive
Well itís a hell of a good day to die
All our light that shines strong
Only lasts for so long
This part, for me, really shows the hope inside

And itís ashes to ashes again
Should we even try to pretend?
All our light that shines strong
Only lasts for so long
(I love those parts, my favourite parts in the song) For me it's, if we don't make it alive through this fight, well it's a hell of a good day to day, like it was worth doing, it was worth fighting for your rights (for example) because the fire burning inside you which pushes you/people to do it, might not always last, and you might not bother to do it if you don't do it NOW/THEN.

A red Banner, in france, represents "La lutte", the fight... its not really communist, maybe it's like for the working class or something, I don't remember.. But it wouldn't be that for the offspring. Although a read banner can represent fight, as well (or the moroccon flag, lol or whatever).

Free?
10-14-2008, 09:14 AM
Let me just help out by giving some insight on the song's title.

Half-Truism:

Altruism - Altruism is selfless concern for the welfare of others.

Truism - A truism is a claim that is so obvious or self-evident as to be hardly worth mentioning, except as a reminder or as a rhetorical or literary device.

So half "truthiness" and half care about other people.

So, after half an hour of headdesking I came up with something that makes at least some sense.

Half-Truism supposed to mean that caring only about others (without thinking about yourself) is only one half of truth. You should think about yourself too. It's like a word that says that altruism is a wrong thing to believe in.

What do you guys think?

Stay strong, keep your individuality, live for today. A self liberation anthem. So far it suits my explanation fine.

The Search Button
10-15-2008, 03:23 AM
So, after half an hour of headdesking I came up with something that makes at least some sense.

Half-Truism supposed to mean that caring only about others (without thinking about yourself) is only one half of truth. You should think about yourself too. It's like a word that says that altruism is a wrong thing to believe in.

What do you guys think?

Stay strong, keep your individuality, live for today. A self liberation anthem. So far it suits my explanation fine.

I think is social criticism.

People who say that they are worried about other people when in fact they don't give a fuck. So is a half-true, half-lie behaviour.

Rutegard
10-15-2008, 03:28 AM
I think is social criticism.

People who say that they are worried about other people when in fact they don't give a fuck. So is a half-true, half-lie behaviour.

basically is about all of us!

Free?
10-15-2008, 03:54 AM
I think is social criticism.

People who say that they are worried about other people when in fact they don't give a fuck. So is a half-true, half-lie behaviour.

Thank you, that looks like a correct version.

But now connection between song's name and lyrics doesn't look as strong as before. hmm...:rolleyes:

Budzy
10-15-2008, 04:09 AM
I always thought it was about, like, this person who was going to get what they wanted no matter who they hurt in the process, even the ones that love them. You know? stand in the way.

That makes sense to me.
Like someguy who'll stop at nothing to acheive their goal, even if it means the death of him (if we dont make it alive, its a hell of a good day to die).

Free?
10-15-2008, 07:59 AM
So far I have a feeling that most of people in this forum aren't sure about Half-Truism meaning. Really, there are some destinations, but I can't see any 100% convincing explanation.
Camila, brothadave, can you heear mee? ;) :rolleyes:

Camilamazed
10-17-2008, 04:14 PM
Truism to me is truth therefore half-truism is half-truth. The song shwos we believe in something that is not entirely true. For instance, USA is the country of Freedom but simple things like FUCKER can't be said publicly (Yeah, I am talking about the recent video). So, you're told you're free, and you pass it on (the knives in the song) but still you half-believe it.

Sorry I was late hehe.

Everto24
03-13-2009, 09:58 PM
On a news site there was a complaint about beliefs and this song. It was a small article but when i saw offspring i looked at it. It said that it was taken because of a name on a Rock Band 1 (yes the game) band who had gotten the best score on a song. They were named Half Muslim and the name was changed and supposedly that was their reasoning for naming that song. It didn't say if they saw it personally on Rock Band but i believe that someone suggested it to them from what the article said.

It could have been wrong but i don't believe it is because it was a news site (i believe msnbc.com but it could have been CNN.com)

Outerspaceman21
03-13-2009, 10:20 PM
Great! I love this kind of threads.

Well, as I said before, I believe that this song is about a revolutionary scene or war. Or, maybe, vandalism...
And as I said before, people like Ernesto Che Guevara crossed into my mind when I started 'studying' this song

My interpretation of the song:

One is for envy
And one just for spite
Someone goes to the revolution for envy and someone for spite
The cuts in my heart
In all the protests, someone may get hurt or beaten
They show in your eyes
Donít make it better
The twisting knife
Turns all by itself
Move on to someone else
And there is some kind of cicle, some kind of endless cicle, there will always be someone leaving and someone entering to this 'cicle'

Your self-liberation
Will leave this behind
Beyond slings and arrows
With all the things on the way, he/she keeps going on what he/she believes in
That rain on our minds
Youíll make it better
The person who is there, protesting or in a revolution, or whatever... Believes that what he is doing is the best thing for the world
Shake it off
It never mattered anyway

If we donít make it alive
Well itís a hell of a good day to die
All our light that shines strong
Only lasts for so long
This part, for me, really shows the hope inside

And itís ashes to ashes again
Should we even try to pretend?
All our light that shines strong
Only lasts for so long

The banner youíre waving
Is burning and red
Firstly I thought that red in this case meant socialism or comunism, which got me thinking that this song may be about the Cold War, which I believe that is the subject for the song "Conspiracy of One", but, as Rutegard said, red may mean blood too... But, I still believe in the comunism or socialism thing, because the word "banner" in this case could be something related to flag, right? (Sorry if my English messed up).. So, the 'red flag' would be burning due the destruction caused be the oppositors of the revolution
Itís blocking the sunlight
That shines overhead
You against the world
Diamonds and pearls
This part REALLY got me thinking that this song is about socialism, because... Like, in the cold war, it was something like capitalism vs. socialism... And "You against the world" for me shows that the 'song person' is a socialist, and he/she is against the consumism, a free world... You can see that "Diamonds and pearls" are sort of a capitalist symbol due its high prices
Voices inside you churn
Watch the city burn

Your own liberation
Will leave them behind
All the slings and arrows
That rain on your mind
Donít make it better
Break it cause
It never mattered anyway

Well, that's my opinion on the song, hope I haven't gone too far :P
And about writing revolutionary songs not being Dexter's 'thing', I thought about that too, and I thought that maybe he just felt like it.

Yeah. That hit the nail on the head.

bighead384
04-11-2009, 07:38 PM
Why is it titled that? What does it mean?

T-6005
04-11-2009, 08:02 PM
Well, a truism is something which is widely accepted to be true. Something that is so obvious that everyone knows it, I suppose.

And I suppose half is a modifier of something that's supposed to be absolute, thereby making it an obscure play on words.

So I don't really know.

Outerspaceman21
04-11-2009, 08:40 PM
My favorite song off the album. Great song.

Truism

Tru"ism\, n. [From True.] An undoubted or self-evident truth; a statement which is pliantly true; a proposition needing no proof or argument; -- opposed to falsism.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/truism

Half-Truism would mostly mean Half-Truth. T-6005 was pretty much right on the money.

Cock Joke
04-11-2009, 09:43 PM
Someone brought up "altruism" a long time ago, and said it was a take on that word.

Dr. Speedo
04-11-2009, 09:47 PM
To me, it means a truism that's been halfed.

bighead384
04-12-2009, 12:18 AM
No I meant what does it have to do with the lyrics to that song. I don't get it.

Oxygene
04-12-2009, 01:37 AM
I'm just taking a stab in the dark, and it's art so everyone probably has their own interpretation but to me the link between the lyrics and the title is that of cause and causation. I think half-truisms - which to me would mean bogus truisms that although not true are still accepted as such and handled to obviously be correct by everyone except by a small minority for example from an atheistic point of view one would see religion and the existence of god as a half truism. I think those cause the reaction and the internal pain and struggle of the character:

Your self-liberation
Will leave this behind
Beyond slings and arrows
That rain on our minds
Youíll make it better
Shake it off
It never mattered anyway

The banner youíre waving
Is burning and red
Itís blocking the sunlight
That shines overhead
You against the world

I think it tackles the issue in a broad context tho.. so the person doesn't have to be right - like hammerhead is from the villains POV, this is I think more objective and more universal.

Dunno.. that's what it means to me, but I maybe wrong anyway.

Free?
04-12-2009, 04:57 AM
This thread should be merged with http://offspring.com/forums/showthread.php?t=34993
Haah, it's still uncertain what Half-Truism means, the title and song and how they are connected to each other.

RightYeah
06-05-2009, 09:55 PM
I think is social criticism.

People who say that they are worried about other people when in fact they don't give a fuck. So is a half-true, half-lie behaviour.

You guys are on the right track. Think about ancient history, Ixnay.
From the book of Dexter, Change the World.

"You don't want to change the world Like you say
You're in it for yourself No one else"

I always thought about Rev. Al Sharpton when I heard that one.

Llamas
06-05-2009, 11:48 PM
Change the World. That's exactly what I was thinking. Dexter loves to recycle themes and then put a twist on them. The songs makes me think of people who talk about things as though they are solid fact that can't be disputed, and make you feel stupid when you don't "know"... but the people who brought it up never had any proof it was true, and just act like they know what they're talking about in order to make themselves look smart. They're more concerned with building up their self-image than in facts and truth.

SelfEsteem94
06-06-2009, 10:33 AM
Half-Truism supposed to mean that caring only about others (without thinking about yourself) is only one half of truth.
i completely agree with this.

DMelges
08-24-2009, 07:33 PM
I believe this song is about coming to terms with one's self. Every thing we went through, everything we have endured, was all worth it. "The cuts in my heart show in your eyes." Meaning we went through everything together, and we feel each others' pain. "Our life that shine's strong, only lasts for so long." "voices inside your churn, watch the city burn." At the same time we are accepting that life can't be controlled and good and bad things will happen without our control ("the twisting knife turns all by itself"), we are also remembering how certain things tried to drag us down, or actually did drags us down. "I won't come down." I'm feeling good about this, and I won't leave it.

But what I really find interesting is that the name of this song, Half-Truism, can be saying that the lyrics itself is only half true. :rolleyes:

randman21
08-24-2009, 07:52 PM
Change the World. That's exactly what I was thinking. Dexter loves to recycle themes and then put a twist on them. The songs makes me think of people who talk about things as though they are solid fact that can't be disputed, and make you feel stupid when you don't "know"... but the people who brought it up never had any proof it was true, and just act like they know what they're talking about in order to make themselves look smart. They're more concerned with building up their self-image than in facts and truth.

I'm not very good with song interpretations, but this is what I think the general idea of the song is. I have to take another look at the lyrics, then I may try to decipher it.

Also, I think it necessary to point out that the philophical term "truism" is not indentical to the word "truth". They are similar in meaning, but not completely the same. Thus, I think we should be looking at how the lyrics relate to "half-truism" as opposed to a "half-truth". :)

Jessika
08-25-2009, 05:18 AM
I have heard many who do not understand the meaning of Half-Truism, which I think is odd because I think it is quite obvious...

A truism is a statement that is obvious and hence pointless, like "We must all die once".

The song's meaning is a HALF truism - almost a truism - I mean, it's quite obvious and therefore almost pointless to share. No, I don't mean that the song is unnecessary, it's awesome, what I mean is that the lyrics is a ... half truism. Haha, that in itself is obvious, as the song is called Half-Truism. :D

What is the song's meaning than, which I find almost truism? Well, for me, the song is about... hmm, how we are wasting time on old bad memories while life is happening right now. Which almost is a truism, we KNOW this but still we ARE wasting our time. Eehh, it's hard to explain my thoughts here but I will give it a try...

(One is for envy
And one just for spite
The cuts in my heart
They show in your eyes)
- We all have cuts in our hearts. Maybe it's from school, deep memories from being bullied, maybe it's from a parent who abandoned one, maybe it's from a friend who betrayed one, maybe it's from a bad relationship, or whatever that may have fucked up your life once. Some of the cuts are there because of envy and some of the cuts are the because of spite! Whatever, we can se them in the eyes of the person or situation that caused our cuts.

(Donít make it better
The twisting knife
Turns all by itself
Move on to someone else)
- This is a half-truism! It's almost needless to say the fact that it does not matter if you try to improve the situation, one day it will be someone else who gets cuts in his heart. Life is bad, than it's good, than it's bad, than it's good...

(Your self-liberation
Will leave this behind
Beyond slings and arrows
That rain on our minds
Youíll make it better
Shake it off
It never mattered anyway)
- Usually, we don't listen to the half-truism that I comment on above. Instead we do exactly like the lyrics right here above says. And that kinda sucks, because life is what happening while we're wasting time trying to get rid of our bad memories and cuts. Life is too short for that, so hey, go out there and do what you want, come out and play, because:

(If we donít make it alive
Well itís a hell of a good day to die
All our light that shines strong
Only lasts for so long)
- And this is absolutely a half-truism.

(And itís ashes to ashes again
Should we even try to pretend?
All our light that shines strong
Only lasts for so long)
- You try to forget the cuts, the bad memories, but it doesn't work, and once again it feels like your life sucks. But life is short, you shouldn't even try to forget the bad memories, it goes by itself if you just live and enjoy your life!

(The banner youíre waving
Is burning and red
Itís blocking the sunlight
That shines overhead
You against the world
Diamonds and pearls
Voices inside you churn
Watch the city burn)
- You are so determined to move on and forget all the shit happened to you, that you forget to see the beauty in life is happening now. You think that it's you against the world, but you miss just a lot during time. You're blocking the sunlight!


Well, this can be aaaaall wrong but it's how I feel when I listen to the song. My God, if Dexter is reading this, he will probably laugh... like.., a lot! :o

Oxygene
08-25-2009, 05:23 AM
it means fuck it all.. at least we lived.

Jessika
08-25-2009, 05:45 AM
it means fuck it all.. at least we lived.

Well, yes, that is a shorter way to say it. I agree.

LikeHemlock
08-25-2009, 06:05 AM
Well, this can be aaaaall wrong but it's how I feel when I listen to the song. My God, if Dexter is reading this, he will probably laugh... like.., a lot! :o

Dexter is probably all like "wtf is this song about? I guess I was too high when I wrote it..." Just kidding. :D

Free?
08-25-2009, 09:20 AM
Hey Jessika, that was a great interpretation, definitely one of the best here, the way you've put the 'half-truism' to explain song parts is definitely an achievement I couldn't figure out, so finally someone provided the link between name and lyrics.

I'll add my own explanation (http://www.offspring.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1300280&postcount=206) to the other side of what you wrote and finally giving it a rest, I'm satisfied.

Jessika
08-25-2009, 12:08 PM
Dexter is probably all like "wtf is this song about? I guess I was too high when I wrote it..." Just kidding. :D

Haha well there is a chance!

Jessika
08-25-2009, 12:09 PM
Hey Jessika, that was a great interpretation, definitely one of the best here, the way you've put the 'half-truism' to explain song parts is definitely an achievement I couldn't figure out, so finally someone provided the link between name and lyrics.

I'll add my own explanation (http://www.offspring.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1300280&postcount=206) to the other side of what you wrote and finally giving it a rest, I'm satisfied.

Woa, thanks or what should I say, I'm glad that someone even understood! :D

LikeHemlock
08-25-2009, 12:36 PM
Haha well there is a chance!

I don't know him that well, so maybe. :D And I forgot to say I also liked your interpretation. :)

Steph
08-25-2009, 04:41 PM
I always thought this song tells about a person who is trying to be him/herself, but can't do that because other people just don't let them do that (you know, pressure and all of this stuff that make you wanna look better in other people's eyes)...So the main character in the song (is it a narrator? Sorry I don't know the english name) is telling that pesron that it all should (and will) be different, that from now on he can be just himself:
"your self-liberation, we'll leave this behind..."

like he was trying to help that person. And in the line

"the banner you're waving is burning and red,
it's blocking the sunlight that shines overhead"

this 'banner' is the behaviour of that pesron, how he shows off to let other people see, think he's SOMEONE, but it's actually not the way he'd like to be so the way he behaves, that disguise he shows to the others is blocking the sunlight, the happyness, because...how can you be happy if you have to pretend, be someone else than yourelf?

Anyway, there is still a line about 'turning knife' and it kinda doesn't fit to my interpretation. And I think Jessika's interpretation is the best one :)

AllIn All It's Not So Bad
08-25-2009, 05:08 PM
The banner you're waiving is burning in red.
burning in red=blood, violence



it's blocking the sunlight that shines overheeeead(love that part)
it's making things worse/bad
it's trying to hid things

diamonds&pearls
how capitalism is making people greedy and fucking up the world.


this song has millions of interpretations. all of the other ones are very good too and they make sense

SMASHedTHEignition
08-26-2009, 12:59 AM
i dunno what it means, but i sang it to myself when i used to play footy at our grand final

andrea.
07-23-2010, 02:08 PM
Thank you, that looks like a correct version.

But now connection between song's name and lyrics doesn't look as strong as before. hmm...:rolleyes:

I agree with you too..
I didn't understand correctly the song, but thanks to you..
now it makes sense. :)

btw..I think it's bad ass song..It has power and punk energy!

Mr.Nobody
05-14-2012, 05:28 PM
I know that is weird to write in this thread now, but I thinked about the meaning of that song for years, and the meaning is not the problem IMO. The problems come with the lyrics. I think that the whole song is a conversation between two people. One of them wants to do the things in his own way, as he likes. But the other person is someone that have lost the hope about those Ideals and is triying to convince Him (from the cobardice, like Dxter said in an interview) of leaving behind all those ideals.:cool: .

disclaimer_07
05-15-2012, 04:01 AM
I used to think it was about the end of a relationship. Particularly the first verse and chorus made me think it could be about that.

One is for envy
And one just for spite
The cuts in my heart
They show in your eyes (the other person really hurt him, "cutting" his heart with whatever it was)
Donít make it better
The twisting knife
Turns all by itself
Move on to someone else (basically it's like saying "let it go, you've hurt me more than enough already, now go find someone else"; perhaps the other person is still trying to make things right)

Your self-liberation
Will leave this behind
Beyond slings and arrows
That rain on our minds (you leaving is the only solution to this war going on between us)
Youíll make it better
Shake it off
It never mattered anyway (probably trying to downplay the importance of their relationship even if he still cares)

If we donít make it alive
Well, itís a hell of a good day to die (if we have to carry on like this, we might as well call it quits now 'cause there sure won't be a better time to do that)
All our light that shines strong
Only lasts for so long (a sarcastic remark about how long feelings really last)

And itís ashes to ashes again
Should we even try to pretend? (why should we even keep pretending if it's not working out?)
All our light that shines strong
Only lasts for so long

I don't know, it sort of fits. The second verse not so much, or at least I haven't made it fit that interpretation yet.

Rooster
05-15-2012, 03:03 PM
I still remember the first time I heard the song. Instead "diamonds and pearls" I heard "dummies and perverts" :p

Mr.Nobody
05-15-2012, 03:06 PM
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I used to think it was about the end of a relationship. (...)I don't know, it sort of fits. The second verse not so much, or at least I haven't made it fit that interpretation yet.

yes, I agree with you, but I think that the song has two parts:
In the first, one of the characters of the song says:
"One is for envy
And one just for spite
The cuts in my heart
They show in your eyes
Don’t make it better
The twisting knife
Turns all by itself
Move on to someone else

Your self-liberation
Will leave this behind
Beyond slings and arrows
That rain on our minds
You’ll make it better
Shake it off
It never mattered anyway

If we don’t make it alive
Well it’s a hell of a good day to die
All our light that shines strong
Only lasts for so long"

And it’s ashes to ashes again
Should we even try to pretend?
All our light that shines strong
Only lasts for so long

Then, the other character respons:

The banner you’re waving
Is burning and red
It’s blocking the sunlight
That shines overhead
You against the world
Diamonds and pearls
Voices inside you churn
Watch the city burn

Your own liberation
Will leave them behind
All the slings and arrows
That rain on your mind
Don’t make it better
Break it cause
It never mattered anyway ----> continues in the next post :D

Mr.Nobody
05-15-2012, 03:15 PM
If we don’t make it alive
Well it’s a hell of a good day to die
All our light that shines strong
Only lasts for so long

And it’s ashes to ashes again
Should we even try to pretend?
All our light that shines strong
Only lasts for so long"

And, that, in my opinion, is the most solid interpretation, beacuse that justificates the title, Half truism. There are 2 characters, they have the same ideas or whatever, but each character thinks differently about it, instead of getting agree. "Half truism" because there is one ideal, one idea, but more than one truth about it.:cool: Whatīs your opinion about that, folks?

KickHimWhenHe'sDown
05-16-2012, 06:10 PM
I still remember the first time I heard the song. Instead "diamonds and pearls" I heard "dummies and perverts" :p
I guess your whole interpretation of the song must have been a little messed up then :D

Degstur Lolland
05-18-2012, 03:50 AM
Very universal song. Reminds me of The Future Is Now.

TheNooseIsFalling
05-18-2012, 04:35 AM
Very universal song. Reminds me of The Future Is Now.

Yeah, that was my first thought about TFIN too. It's already one of my favorites.