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lost_nvrfound
10-14-2008, 01:31 PM
I don't know what it is about that class, but I can't stand it!

I love psychology. When I say that, people always respond with, "But there is sociology in psychology and vice versa."

But that doesn't change the fact that its the most repetitive, redundant, irritating area of study. Every unit we've done so far always leads back to racial oppression and how its a white society. Well no shit! I really learned something new today! :rolleyes: I mean seriously! There are other societal issues that don't necessarily have to be about race, but she always takes the "whites have opportunity" approach.

urggh!

What's ya'lls take on sociology? Love it or hate it? Don't even know what it is? Don't really care?

I must say that I am quite happy to stick to the psychology route after this semester. I'm taking developmental psychology in the spring and I am very excited about that.

the_real_potomek
10-14-2008, 01:42 PM
nooo, please don't say such things, not yet!:( I've just started studying sociology so let me think I've chosen well:p

Sunny
10-14-2008, 01:43 PM
there's more to deconstructing white privilege than just acknowledging it exists. right, you might already know it's there... but then what? do you just leave it at that? i don't like the "o ok we're a racist society, ANYWAY moving on" approach.

i actually have a lot more interest in sociology and anthropology than i do in psychology. *shrug*

Llamas
10-14-2008, 01:44 PM
I love sociology. Try not to let one guilt-ridden professor ruin an entire science, because it's extremely interesting when you look in the right places.

edit: I also agree with Sunny. And for me, Sociology > Anthropology > Psychology

RickyCrack
10-14-2008, 03:29 PM
obligatory ricky hates white people joke. actually that would be a cool read. ricky go back to college for sociology. then you can kill whitey with knowledge dawggg. the only draw back is that some white people might actually like and respect you and ask you for recommendations and shit

Rag Doll
10-14-2008, 03:37 PM
there's more to deconstructing white privilege than just acknowledging it exists. right, you might already know it's there... but then what? do you just leave it at that? i don't like the "o ok we're a racist society, ANYWAY moving on" approach.

i actually have a lot more interest in sociology and anthropology than i do in psychology. *shrug*

Yes, agreed.

And you can't base your opinion on what an entire field of study is about by how one professor teaches a class. My intro to sociology class had units on race, gender, age, religion, education, sexuality, etc.

Betty
10-14-2008, 08:29 PM
I took an intro sociology course and thought it was incredibly boring as well. I realize that the professor being terrible probably didn't help. But it's not like the textbook blew my mind either.

(Maybe it's 'cause us scientists think all that wishy-washy stuff is so damn obvious...)

lost_nvrfound
10-14-2008, 11:37 PM
My intro to sociology class had units on race, gender, age, religion, education, sexuality, etc.

Theoretically, mine does too.

But sunny, she's not even getting into the thick of it. Its like we talk about, say, gender inequality, and she always, inevitably ends the discussion with yet another "white society" lecture... everything is "white society" to her. Yes i realize they are connected, and all of that sociological hooplah... But I'm sick of talking about the same thing day in and day out. We can't look at the other issues that play into all of this.

And i guess its a "you're gonna prefer one over the other" kind of thing. I like psychology a lot, but i don't think i could sit through another semester of this. Maybe there are sociology professors that do a much better job, but I really do think she's ruined it for me.

It doesn't help matters that she just gave us a 6 to 10 page midterm assignment. Its supposed to cover all areas that we've studied so far, but in EVERY question, it ends with, "how do you think race plays into this?"

I mean SERIOUSLY! YIKES!

EDIT:
(Maybe it's 'cause us scientists think all that wishy-washy stuff is so damn obvious...)
Hehe... Probably very accurate. :)

Vera
10-15-2008, 01:36 AM
I don't know much about sociology except how it relates to my topic of interest (cultural anthropology) and the differences between the two (cultural anthro can study basically any society, industrial, non-industrial, becoming-industrial, whereas sociology tends to focus on complex industrial societies = "Western" societies). Our approach is more hermeneutic ie. we go out there and observe how people live, talk to them on what they believe, and focus on smaller groups of people. Sociology is more interested in scientific ways of measuring facts about larger groups of people. It's the same turf, we just approach it completely differently.

(My biased view is that while the anthropological method is more dependant on the researcher doing the fieldwork, in some ways it's more accurate as you actually go among people to see what they do and how they do it, instead of sending out a questionnaire to make them *tell* you what they do. My favourite example is that one American guy who tried to study gang life via traditional sociological methods but ended up living with gang members to see how their section of society was *actually* organized. Then again this is probably done more often nowadays in sociology, not just anthro.)

The theories and the way sociology looks at society is what I would probably be interested in if I were to study it.

I personally see psychology as an overly complex, though necessary field of study to figure out something that is ultimately pretty damn unreachable. I took two courses in high school and never looked back, but I did think the stuff it taught me about psychological development of children was very interesting. I felt like if I could remember that stuff when/if I have kids of my own, it'll be beneficial.

Edit: Oh, I want to add... What made me interested in Anthropology is the realization that the fields of research I already know about (no matter how little) don't provide absolutely all-encompassing knowledge about the world around us. You can boil certain things to biological facts, chemical reactions, genetic make-up or behavioral psychology, but at the end of the day it's Sociology and Anthropology that tell us about some of the most significant differences and the similarities between groups of people. For example, it's a fact most people have sexual desires, but how people hook up to have sex, how people form marriages and partnerships, sexual relations outside marriages, etc etc those are dependent on the customs and the ways of the society and culture they live in.

This kind of realization helped me really sink my teeth into this field of study. The idea that nothing gives us the *final* answer, but the answers provided by this field (Sociology/Cultural Anthropology) reflect a very interesting (and above all important) side of human behavior. The aspect is somewhat overlooked by other fields of study.

So, it's a white society. How does that affect you and your view of things? How do certain non-white groups (or non-hetero groups, or non-middle class groups) view things differently? I'm not sure of Sociology would answer these sorts of question, but it's an interesting thing for me to think about anyway.

wheelchairman
10-15-2008, 05:23 AM
Sociology can be interesting, it's a very broad subject. But the study as an idea is fascinating. Race, ethnicity and identity are just one aspect of sociology. The fact that your course keeps returning to it is a shame but that's probably the focus of the professor.

psychology sucks ass.

Jesus
10-15-2008, 07:20 AM
Just skip that class then, read some course materials and write some shit about how you as a whitey are to blame. No point in waisting time in a useless class.

Besides the basic introduction (neutral and theories) I did two small seminars (which are more biased). One was about gender and the second was about multiculturalism/inequality. The first one was absolute garbage. The usual male bashing, too much usage of statistics, drawing conclusions from nothing the statistics said, with women in control things would be different (if you say so, make sure you don't back it up), almost no linkage with anthropology and don't forget porn is degrading to women. The sixties were back. Besides her sources were quite unequal 95% or so were American. 90% women and a lot of were white too.

Multiculturalism was awesome. It bashed the idea of (institutionalized) multiculturalism from a left wing perspective. How it's in a way institutionalized racism. How the overcompensation from white guild is in effect creating more inequality because of the switch in focus from income to ethnicity. It also included some hermeneutic study which Vera already talked about. That was nice.

And agreed with psychology sucking ass

lost_nvrfound
10-15-2008, 08:50 AM
To each his own, I guess. *shrug*

Most of the people teaching the sociology courses here studied under the head of the sociology department, and thus, most of the classes focus on the same issues. The guys book says it all.

I find the weird psychological disorders utterly fascinating (same with weird human diseases). I love neurological development and abnormalities and what they cause. Other stuff... meh...

HornyPope
10-15-2008, 09:30 AM
Theoretically, mine does too.

But sunny, she's not even getting into the thick of it. Its like we talk about, say, gender inequality, and she always, inevitably ends the discussion with yet another "white society" lecture... everything is "white society" to her. Yes i realize they are connected, and all of that sociological hooplah... But I'm sick of talking about the same thing day in and day out. We can't look at the other issues that play into all of this.

And i guess its a "you're gonna prefer one over the other" kind of thing. I like psychology a lot, but i don't think i could sit through another semester of this. Maybe there are sociology professors that do a much better job, but I really do think she's ruined it for me.

It doesn't help matters that she just gave us a 6 to 10 page midterm assignment. Its supposed to cover all areas that we've studied so far, but in EVERY question, it ends with, "how do you think race plays into this?"

I mean SERIOUSLY! YIKES!

:)

My take is: she's really into "Conflict theory". This theory says that our problems are rooted in social inequality (whether on grounds of race, gender, income etc...). The reason she comes back to "white society" everytime is because she wants you to understand how segragation and racial difference in America create different opportunities and lifestyles for people.

I understand it's very annoying. I hate it too, but you see, the sociologists think it's their duty to be militant and antagonize the population because that's how they get the public to pay attention to various social issues. They say that standing in the back and merely theorizing (like sociological forefathers did) is not enough anymore.


I took an intro sociology course and thought it was incredibly boring as well. I realize that the professor being terrible probably didn't help. But it's not like the textbook blew my mind either.

It's an intro course... It's supposed to be dumb so everybody has a chance to learn from it! Obviously it's going to be a little slow for the bright minds of the Chemistry dept., but remember there are also geography, history and pol. sci majors taking this course!

If you are curious to learn a little beyond the like it's so obvious stuff, may I recommend this book: "Ideology and development of sociological theory" by Irving Zeitlin.

T-6005
10-15-2008, 09:40 AM
I guess I'm in Anthropology, and all the sociology majors I talk to get all uppity when I try to relate. I really have no idea why.

All the same, the thing I enjoy the most about it is probably the social construction of gender and those impacts.

lost_nvrfound
10-15-2008, 10:34 AM
If you are curious to learn a little beyond the like it's so obvious stuff, may I recommend this book: "Ideology and development of sociological theory" by Irving Zeitlin.

You make some good points. I may look into this.


All the same, the thing I enjoy the most about it is probably the social construction of gender and those impacts.

That is some pretty interesting stuff for sure.

A friend of mine and I had a discussion about how we "train" our offspring and how she felt so weird using that terminology. But, what other way is there to look at it? From mid-pregnancy on, its either BOY or GIRL, and if someone slips and calls it the other gender, then people get all defensive, "No! Its a BOOOOYYY!". You get that whole self-fulfilling prophecy thing going on.

Its pretty fascinating. Why she couldn't stick to that one for more than 20 minutes, I just don't understand.

Betty
10-15-2008, 11:17 AM
It's an intro course... It's supposed to be dumb so everybody has a chance to learn from it! Obviously it's going to be a little slow for the bright minds of the Chemistry dept., but remember there are also geography, history and pol. sci majors taking this course!

If you are curious to learn a little beyond the like it's so obvious stuff, may I recommend this book: "Ideology and development of sociological theory" by Irving Zeitlin.

Haha, thanks Vlad. Of course I realize this NOW, but for a young, hopeful, first-year undergrad, that might have been more useful information.

My sociology prof really was awful. (I will not describe the gender and/or race and/or socioeconomical status of this professor lest that encourage unfair judgments). So awful it was almost funny. Our midterm was multiple choice and the prof fucked it up so that the numbers were mislabeled. I think the problem was that the prof had missed a number early on in the series of questions, so it was a big deal because it affected how we filled in the multiple choice answer cards and if we filled them in wrong, we could potentially get them all wrong, right? Easy problem to fix. Anyway, the marking TAs brought this up to the prof once somebody realized it (with 200-300 students already starting to write the midterm) and the prof DENIED and IGNORED the mistake! Seriously.

Also, the professor apparently HATED students and one time told us in class that if any of the students saw the professor outside of class, to please not talk to the professor because the professor did not want to speak with students during the professor's personal time.

Vera
10-15-2008, 01:14 PM
Incompetent teachers can really turn one off even the most potentially interesting subjects. Sounds like massive fail, that prof.


(I will not describe the gender and/or race and/or socioeconomical status of this professor lest that encourage unfair judgments)
This seems a little overly cautious. Like are you saying we would consider you racist/sexist/xenophobic/classist if you described your prof as a black French-Canadian lesbian from a working-class background? Being a sucky teacher doesn't really have much to do with any of these, it has to do with incompetence.

I haven't personally approached any of my professors but I intend to, as older students say they're very cool about it and allow us to call them by first names etc.

the_real_potomek
10-15-2008, 01:40 PM
I can't say very much about sociology yet, but the first impression is positive...it seems like I get to know many things in many subject and I hope I develop myself during this studies.

Betty
10-15-2008, 02:38 PM
This seems a little overly cautious. Like are you saying we would consider you racist/sexist/xenophobic/classist if you described your prof as a black French-Canadian lesbian from a working-class background? Being a sucky teacher doesn't really have much to do with any of these, it has to do with incompetence.

I haven't personally approached any of my professors but I intend to, as older students say they're very cool about it and allow us to call them by first names etc.

It was supposed to be a joke.

He was a big black man.

And for the record I do feel like that combined with him being a sociology prof and him being a REALLY shitty one did influence my opinions (ie. I can't help but think things like "how did he get this job?" "how does he still have this job despite being awful?" and then answering those questions with "I wonder if the fact that he's black has to do with this...")

HornyPope
10-15-2008, 04:09 PM
Haha, thanks Vlad. Of course I realize this NOW, but for a young, hopeful, first-year undergrad, that might have been more useful information.

Did you actually take the class to learn or did you take it so you can breeze through with a good grade?

Betty
10-15-2008, 07:15 PM
I never took a class for the grade. Do I strike you as the type?

I got a 91% in that sociology course, and it was my lowest grade that semester. That was admittedly a good semester though.

In fact, I took a philosophy class knowing it would bring down my entire GPA. Which it did. Only A- I ever got throughout all of university. Missed an A+ average that semester by 0.2%.

lost_nvrfound
10-15-2008, 10:42 PM
Wow Betty... I wish I had your scholastic motivation...

HornyPope
10-16-2008, 01:35 PM
It was supposed to be a joke.

He was a big black man.

And for the record I do feel like that combined with him being a sociology prof and him being a REALLY shitty one did influence my opinions (ie. I can't help but think things like "how did he get this job?" "how does he still have this job despite being awful?" and then answering those questions with "I wonder if the fact that he's black has to do with this...")

He was probably hired because he has a background in dealing with a lot of issues first-hand, as well as other soft skills like knowing how to steal a job from a whitey. Sociologists love that shit. A lot of kids in our program are really dumb (they don't understand the text, they can't structure their sentances) so a good lecturer is wasted on them anyways. Whatever, they'll go and become social workers and that's fine. What's important is they care...


I never took a class for the grade. Do I strike you as the type?

When you care so much about a grade? Yeah, that sounds like the type.

wheelchairman
10-16-2008, 02:24 PM
Sociologists love that shit. A lot of kids in our program are really dumb (they don't understand the text, they can't structure their sentances)
I'm sorry Vlad. I know you might not be sober when you wrote this, you might not care about the spelling of words where the meaning is obvious when you post them on a message board. But this amused me.

HornyPope
10-16-2008, 02:35 PM
I'm sorry Vlad. I know you might not be sober when you wrote this, you might not care about the spelling of words where the meaning is obvious when you post them on a message board. But this amused me.

Cheers to your amusement!

Betty
10-16-2008, 09:34 PM
When you care so much about a grade? Yeah, that sounds like the type.

My grades PAID, mister.

HornyPope
10-16-2008, 10:02 PM
My grades PAID, mister.

Oh so you also have a financial incentive to get a high grade in a class? Hmmm...