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Camilamazed
11-01-2008, 10:59 AM
"Rise and fall is
Good and evil,
Appearance and reality,
Judgment and reflection.
It is to judge and to be judged,
To dream and to accept.
It is Triumph and despair,
Wish and realization,

And we are both."

Would somebody please give me a link where this has been previously discussed? I wonder who said that...

Dexter_italy
11-01-2008, 11:09 AM
"Rise and fall is
Good and evil,
Appearance and reality,
Judgment and reflection.
It is to judge and to be judged,
To dream and to accept.
It is Triumph and despair,
Wish and realization,

And we are both."

Would somebody please give me a link where this has been previously discussed? I wonder who said that...


I think Dexter did :)

Free?
11-01-2008, 11:11 AM
I don't remember this being discussed, maybe mentioned few times.
It's written by Dexter me thinks.

Slim Pickens The Bomb Rider
11-01-2008, 11:29 AM
Just go to the lyrics of rise and fall on this site and look on the botom, It must have been written/said by dexter

randman21
11-01-2008, 11:44 AM
I can't give an exact link, but I think it was called something like "Rise and Fall is about Green Day"...maybe.

Gustavo
11-01-2008, 12:14 PM
I don't remember this being discussed...

I do, I believe Jojan started a thread about it a while ago.

Gustavo
11-01-2008, 12:16 PM
http://www.offspring.com/forums/showthread.php?t=33002

There you go.

Jojan
11-01-2008, 01:33 PM
I do, I believe Jojan started a thread about it a while ago.

I didn't even remember that. I only remember making a thread asking who Ivan is. We know the answer to that now.

Camilamazed
11-01-2008, 07:23 PM
Well, anyways the other thread does not have a proper discussion about it.

What makes you guys think Dexter said that? and I need to check the Ivan thread because I have no clue about it.

SK8rocka
11-01-2008, 09:12 PM
in the rafrag booklet, on the second last page, the rise and fall lyrics r there.

after the lyrics it says that.

there

Camilamazed
11-01-2008, 09:17 PM
Oh, I'm going to check that. I haven't noticed. Thanks.

randman21
11-02-2008, 02:54 AM
I'm sorry Camila. I would have told you it was there if I knew that you didn't know. So where did you discover it, if not in the booklet?

Free?
11-02-2008, 04:28 AM
http://www.offspring.com/cgi-bin/WebObjects/Offspring.woa/wa/lyrics?releaseID=437342&startingTrackNumber=12 most likely.
Also I find that text REALLY obvious and I see no riddles there at all.
But I think it's somehow connected with the song Rise and Fall, and the song still is a mystery to me. It just can be interpret in many ways, but I haven't found any version that would 100% satisfy me.