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Desperado
11-04-2008, 03:47 AM
i see people paint obama as a socialist, and others deny it. i don't understand, what exactly is socialism? everything i read about it gives a really wordy and unclear definition. with that said, how is obama (not) a socialist? and what's the difference between that and communism? thanks

metalmania
11-04-2008, 03:14 PM
i see people paint obama as a socialist, and others deny it. i don't understand, what exactly is socialism? everything i read about it gives a really wordy and unclear definition. with that said, how is obama (not) a socialist? and what's the difference between that and communism? thanks
nevermind dude its a big advert balloon about him and he cant be socialist or communist or more !cause his country is the biggest capitalist place ;) so this idea is so comic for american people :D

NGNM85
11-17-2008, 07:54 PM
i see people paint obama as a socialist, and others deny it. i don't understand, what exactly is socialism? everything i read about it gives a really wordy and unclear definition. with that said, how is obama (not) a socialist? and what's the difference between that and communism? thanks

In layman's terms, socialism is an economic system that is heavily regulated and collectively controlled. Communism is the more authoritarian form of this with a large, all-powerful government that regulates the economy, supposedly on the peoples' behalf. The problem with this is through building such a large and powerful state apparartus the communist state, at least in practice, creates a mirror of what communists hate about capitalist society, a priveleged, insulated minority of elites who control everything. The more politically liberal or leftist forms of socialism would be like in western european social democracies where they still have private enterprise but they have things like state health care, and such, the state provides more for the people, directly. Then theres' Anarchism, which is the most decentralized, anti-authoritarian form of socialism. If you still don't totally understand I'd check out the encyclopedia, no shame in it, the beginning is the logical place to start. Educating yourself is always a great thing to do.
That said, all we're hearing about Obama being a socialist is just right-wing horseshit. Propaganda. What I find interesting is that the people who seem to get the most riled up about this nonsense is poor, poorly educated people. They don't realize they're being duped into voting against they're own interests. Socialism used to actually be a powerful political movement around the turn of the century and a little afterwards. It was driven by the working class. Only since the advent of the cold war through propaganda it's been demonized. Even so, it's been statistically shown most Americans want state health care, which makes perfect sense, and I'm sure at least a third of the people who say they don't are just confused about what that means. However, the wealthy elites, in the words of John Jay "the people who own the country" who "ought to run it" (and do) don't want this and they're the ones who presently have the power in our society.

RickyCrack
11-17-2008, 09:00 PM
per has covered this extensively across the forums and among many threads.

T-6005
11-17-2008, 09:43 PM
Wheelchairman needs others to push him around and get paid less than nothing hauling his fat ass around.

Socialism.

wheelchairman
11-18-2008, 07:45 AM
If it weren't for me those people wouldn't have jobs.

Spreading the wealth.