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Tomasisko
12-02-2008, 01:55 AM
Do you know hardcore, hardcore/screamo bands Remains Of The Day, Balaclava, Tragedy, From Ashes Rise, Just Went Black, Coalition, Amanda Woodward, John Ball, Thema Eleven, Ekkaia, Black Panda, Kylesa, Funeral Diner, Endstand, The Third Memory etc...??? Does anyone like this music style? The Offspring is my favourite band, but my favourite music style is hardcore:)

NGNM85
12-06-2008, 08:14 PM
It sounds like you're listening to modern hardcore. I like the earlier stuff, Husker Du, especially, also Minor Threat, Fugazi, 7 Seconds, the newest hardcore I listen to is like Jawbreaker or Fire Party. Honestly I'm not that keen on the genre, to me a lot of it is just kinda bastardized punk, plus the new stuff has a real heavy metal influence and I can't stand metal.

Autonomist
12-06-2008, 09:37 PM
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Thank me later.

coke_a_holic
12-07-2008, 12:13 AM
the newest hardcore I listen to is like Jawbreaker

Are we thinking about the same band?

Jawbreaker is catchy pop-punk...

NGNM85
12-07-2008, 08:46 PM
Are we thinking about the same band?

Jawbreaker is catchy pop-punk...

You give them short shrift, sir. First of all, Jawbreaker has been an inspiration to many bands that would be considered pop-punk, which I consider to be a term of dubious value, but thats' a different issue, I digress.. Jawbreaker put out most of they're material themselves, except they're last album, not having, and not even really seeking to have, major industry acceptance they don't really fit into the category. They have a catchier sound, although they're earlier stuff was much rougher, but that alone doesn't make them pop-punk. I've always considered Jawbreaker to be hardcore, however they formed in the late 80's where the distinction is still a little muddy. I mean, 7 Seconds SOUND a lot more like streetpunk, until fairly recently it's been a very fine line, sonically, at least. Jawbreaker are associated with the bands like Fire Party (Which are also very good.) which helped originally develop "Emo", short for "emotional hardcore' which was NOTHING like the present incarnation, this is why I consider them a hardcore band, although I've never read any interviews with the band to confirm or deny this.

H1T_That
12-08-2008, 04:30 AM
i probably listen to a ton of harcore music depending on who i talk to. The definition of the genre is so blurred these days.

coke_a_holic
12-08-2008, 06:17 AM
You give them short shrift, sir.

I didn't say I didn't like them, I said they played pop-punk. They're still plenty awesome, they're just a catchy fun band.

Side note: they're = they are, their = possessive

Back on track: I think you're confusing hardcore with hardcore punk, which are really, really different. Fucked Up =/= The Casualties (though both are really funny-lookin' bands and both make really funny-soundin' music [Up the punx! Up the punx!]).

Brackets.

NGNM85
12-08-2008, 11:04 AM
I didn't say I didn't like them, I said they played pop-punk. They're still plenty awesome, they're just a catchy fun band.

This seems to be a problem of terminology. I would use the term "pop-punk" mostly as a derogatory to describe bands like Good Charlotte, Avril Lavigne, Blink 182, etc, pop bands who put on punk maneuvers. Otherwise you'd have to put the Ramones in that category. Jawbreaker are CATCHY punk band, one could draw comparisons to the Offspring, Green Day, or the Queers, the Muffs, Operation Ivy, etc.


Back on track: I think you're confusing hardcore with hardcore punk, which are really, really different. Fucked Up =/= The Casualties (though both are really funny-lookin' bands and both make really funny-soundin' music [Up the punx! Up the punx!]).

"Hardcore" is simply short for "Hardcore Punk", though most hardcore kids try hard to forget this. It formed into it's own genre as an outgrowth of punk rock, early hardcore bands were inspired by the more aggressive, rougher punk bands, IE the Germs, Bad Brains, Dead Kennedys, etc., and exaggerated those tendancies, this is why the line between punk and early hardcore is such a fine distinction. Bands like Minor Threat, Husker Du, etc. The Casualties are what I'd call "streetpunk", in the vein of 80's british bands like the Varukers, GBH, Oi Polloi, Discharge, Exploited, etc., which is cool, although unfortunately I think this scene tends to have a certain blindness to the more interesting and diverse strains in punk and posess a more uniform style and sound. An all right band, though, I've seen them live many times, I've met Jorge, he seems like an alright guy.

jacknife737
12-08-2008, 12:00 PM
This seems to be a problem of terminology. I would use the term "pop-punk" mostly as a derogatory to describe bands like Good Charlotte, Avril Lavigne, Blink 182, etc, pop bands who put on punk maneuvers. Otherwise you'd have to put the Ramones in that category. Jawbreaker are CATCHY punk band, one could draw comparisons to the Offspring, Green Day, or the Queers, the Muffs, Operation Ivy, etc.

Well that's you're problem; it's a term that has been bastardized by the media. To me (and i'm assuming coke as well) it simply refers to catchy/melodic punk music, such as The Decedents, Offspring, Dillinger Four, Alkaline Trio, Buzzcocks, The Ramones ect, ect. To me, "punk" is nothing but a blanket term, like "rock". I'd consider bands that you mentioned (ie Good Charlotte) to be pop-rock bands, with a slight punk influence.

nieh
12-08-2008, 12:11 PM
Fucked Up are not nearly as interesting as their reviews made them out to be. They're ok though.

WebDudette
12-08-2008, 03:04 PM
Fucked Up bored me if I remember correctly.

Have Heart*, Give up the Ghost*, Ceremony, Modern Life is War, Sinking Ships, Verse*, Shipwreck AD, Blacklisted, Attack! Viper!*, At Our Heels, Ruiner, Touche Amore* are pretty straightforward hardcore bands.

From the names you listed it looks like your talking about 'BREE BREE BREAKDOWN DOUBLE BASS BREEEEEE' type of screamo stuff (Bring me the Horizon) as opposed to the stuff I listed. But you should definitely give a couple of the *'ed bands a chance.

coke_a_holic
12-08-2008, 03:14 PM
I listened to the Fucked Up cd as well as the Have Heart cd and decided that hardcore isn't a genre I can get into all that easily.

nieh
12-08-2008, 03:20 PM
I never could figure out why people gave so much praise to Fucked Up for being original and creative for doing things like using "atypical instruments" for hardcore and long instrumental passages when that kind of stuff has been used by plenty of hardcore bands over the last 10-15 years at LEAST (The Shape of Punk to come came out almost exactly 10 years ago and does most of the things Fucked Up get praised for doing better than they do it themselves and I'm sure there were a million other bands doing similar things that led up to that album that I've never heard of).

WebDudette
12-08-2008, 03:23 PM
For a long time I listened to noise type stuff; The Locust, Das Oath, Some Girls etc. but couldn't really understand what the deal with hardcore was. I found most of it to be boring and repetitive. Then I started listening to Give up the Ghost and they were the only hardcore band I listened to for a long time, I still thought most of it pretty much sucked. Have Heart is the band that really got me interested in finding more hardcore, now I listen to a decent amount. I just had to take my time and find bands that actually stood out (for me at least) among the dozens of hardcore bands that sound identical.

I think I'm going to listen to Fucked Up again, I forgot why exactly I didn't like them.

Also, I've never really been interested in any hardcore punk, well early afi but thats about it.

Free?
12-08-2008, 04:42 PM
I never was a hardcore-head, but I do like and respect a lot Sick Of It All and some more NYHC bands. I've seen Agnostic Front, Madball and Death Before Dishonor live and all of them were damn good to mosh with. They tend to sound repetitive, but that's what nyhc should be like, a very straightforward open-minded in-your-face message.

Tomasisko
12-09-2008, 11:12 AM
I listened to the Fucked Up cd as well as the Have Heart cd and decided that hardcore isn't a genre I can get into all that easily.

hardcore is a genre

Free?
12-09-2008, 11:19 AM
Tomasisko, read carefully.

hardcore isn't a genre I can get into all that easily
You misunderstood what he said. ;>

Tomasisko
12-09-2008, 11:30 AM
ohhh sorry my mistake :) My brain is not working after my afternoons exams :D

WerGee
01-06-2009, 01:10 AM
hardcore is good style of music...but Offspring´s music style is the best

RageAndLov
01-06-2009, 11:02 AM
I love hardcore punk! It's an amazing genre, with straight forward no bullshit music. I think both the early bands from the 80's like Minor Threat, Black Flag, GBH etc and today's hardcore is just as good. The hardcore scene in the Richmond area is really good nowadays.

I'm kinda sick of the people who thinks that hardcore and hardcore punk is to completely different genres, cuz they're not, it's the same goddamn thing.
"I love Aiden and they play hardcore." No they don't. They're some Mainstream Alt Rock band. Hardcore doesn't excist in the mainstream world.

Anyway take a look on these hardcore bands. They're pretty new, from the latter part of this decade I believe:

Government Warning (One of my top three bands):
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=50012803

Warkrime:
http://www.myspace.com/warkrimerules

Double Negative:
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=61749803

I think I have to put on the new 7" from Warkrime :p

Tomasisko
01-16-2009, 09:37 AM
I love hardcore punk! It's an amazing genre, with straight forward no bullshit music. I think both the early bands from the 80's like Minor Threat, Black Flag, GBH etc and today's hardcore is just as good. The hardcore scene in the Richmond area is really good nowadays.

I'm kinda sick of the people who thinks that hardcore and hardcore punk is to completely different genres, cuz they're not, it's the same goddamn thing.
"I love Aiden and they play hardcore." No they don't. They're some Mainstream Alt Rock band. Hardcore doesn't excist in the mainstream world.

Anyway take a look on these hardcore bands. They're pretty new, from the latter part of this decade I believe:

Government Warning (One of my top three bands):
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=50012803

Warkrime:
http://www.myspace.com/warkrimerules

Double Negative:
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=61749803

I think I have to put on the new 7" from Warkrime :p

hardcore punk is pretty good but I thought something different. Try these:
Just Went Black
http://www.myspace.com/justwentblack

Remains Of The Day
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=103069512

Endstand
http://www.myspace.com/endstand

Ekkaia
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=92667385

Thema Eleven
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=77073039

Time Of My Life
http://www.myspace.com/timeofmylife

Balaclava
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=291676301

MoonTan™
04-03-2009, 08:40 PM
Bring me to the Horizon fucking own!!!

but i spose they are metalcore :]

Outerspaceman21
04-03-2009, 10:44 PM
I like early eighties hardcore groups like Black Flag, Bad Brains and DK.

Other bands like Rise Against, Strike Anywhere, A Wilhelm Scream, No Trigger, Strung Out and other bands like that are pretty tight.

RageAndLov
04-07-2009, 03:12 PM
I like early eighties hardcore groups like Black Flag, Bad Brains and DK.



Black Flag, Bad Brains and DK are killers!