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zsk
12-18-2008, 08:28 AM
Europe as one nation...that would be great...

Rutegard
12-18-2008, 08:32 AM
yes, i'd like to see that happen!

MAXTER
12-18-2008, 09:37 AM
we're all brothers...:)

Drafan
12-18-2008, 09:53 AM
It´s coming true anyway, more countries united, bigger stability http://www.offspring.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=67&pictureid=370

medi01
12-18-2008, 10:56 AM
Europe as one nation...that would be great...

hmmm...not really...not coz i dont like europe, but coz it just wouldnt work

Llamas
12-18-2008, 11:55 AM
No. Each country is an individual, and it would be a disaster economically and otherwise. Having countries join the EU has already been difficult, and it wouldn't be fair because I'm sure a lot of countries wouldn't want to join one huge nation, but they'd be forced to in order for it to work.

Superdope
12-18-2008, 12:15 PM
Absolutely not. The countries are way to different from one another for it to work out. The way the EU works right now is fine... well, functioning.

jacknife737
12-18-2008, 12:19 PM
No. I'm not European, but i do hold British Citizenship; and although i support the concept of the EU (to a degree); the notion of completely abolishing the nation-state in Europe seems absurd; there is already too much reduction of state sovereignty in this world, we don't need any more.

Blackball_
12-18-2008, 12:44 PM
fuck the EU. useless papish nonsense.

F@ BANKZ
12-18-2008, 12:59 PM
I think it's a nice concept, although it is almost certain to render our cultures less and less distinguishable as time goes on. I'm no expert though, and I can't say that I can see the EU overcoming the substantial diversity in national values very easily.

Davo
12-18-2008, 04:38 PM
I voted It doesn't matter. :D

Jojan
12-18-2008, 04:54 PM
If Europe would be one nation, it would be like the United States of America. That sure as hell doesn't work.

Al Coholic
12-18-2008, 08:07 PM
It'd be nice if we all came together, loved eachother, and lined up to give me blowjobs but that isn't gonna happen either. No, the concept of conquering another nation for land or joining together has become almost obsolete. These days countries tend to splinter apart(Yugoslavia, Czeckoslovakia, USSR...), but IGOs like the EU, NATO, the UN, ect. seem a more practical way to go. Besides, the world is coming together more and more economically. real changes in the unity of Europe can come without redrawing borders.

wheelchairman
12-19-2008, 04:59 AM
I like Denmark just fine. I think being part of a European nation (a united one, naturally) would only degrade the welfare system to conform to the European norm.

zsk
12-19-2008, 05:55 AM
fuck the EU. useless papish nonsense.

and scotland is better???
no way

metalmania
12-19-2008, 07:33 AM
absolutelly no ! and this unity will scatter one day!first europe union idea's date is 1683 and united kingdom has got this idea.after,1713 date is second idea date(by france) but france's idea is bigger from uk cause they said that and we have to got a union army(idea of NATO) anyway!these ideas or now europe union idea's foundation is "idea of colony" many countries re together for to exploit the weak countries's minerals or other welds.its just a colony union.remember europe did exploit the america until 1787.they killed their folks and they did steal america's goldens for europe's industry.after usa banishs to uk and other countries,europe did covet to asia.(india,russia,arabia petrols.its a long colony history!but sometimes these emperialist countries cant understand each other and they fight with themselves at times like 1. world war and 2.world war
anyway this colony unity(europe unity) cant be successful!!!! habsburgs or saxons or more....their common goal is only to exploit.its so easy

Blackball_
12-19-2008, 07:53 AM
and scotland is better???
no way

this is a case where the sum of the parts ISNT greater than the individual parts. the eu sounds like a good idea because it would flatten out a lot of problems with trade between countries.. but one size doesnt fit all. the more regulations, rules, acts, standards means less freedoms. the eu is an absolute nightmare scenario - proper orwellian shit.

i mean just this week they voted that in the UK you couldnt work more than 48 hours in one week. what the fuck concern is it of some little guy in italy (just because they like 361 days holiday a year) that someone here cant take on some extra overtime?

same with austria and the UK (and ireland, and iceland) fishing rights in the north sea and atlantic. theyre landlocked for fuck sake!

yes some countries listed above (austria and italy example) may have less powers NOW in the eu, but sooner or later there wont be any fuckin countries, just one big blob of bullshit. if nobody can see that coming ....

Blitzkrieg Bop
12-19-2008, 09:46 AM
I voted no for two reasons even though I don't live in Europe.

What will happen to the individual culture of each country over time when/if this goes through? I imagine that it would be lost and that would be a great pity, for as far as I am concerned, the culture defines the country and its people.

Secondly, the stronger nations will bully the weaker ones in respect of the economy and any natural resources that are available will more than likely be depleted, making the rich, richer and the poor, poorer.

I don't believe that there would be any unity in a European nation because politicians usually have their own agenda and in most cases don’t take into account what is best for the man on the street.

mrs_hollandova
12-19-2008, 11:33 AM
I like how is it now. I want Croatia to join us and I dont want Turkey to join us :D

metalmania
12-19-2008, 01:30 PM
I like how is it now. I want Croatia to join us and I dont want Turkey to join us :D
ahahahhha! hm you say "hey please europe please take us cause we want to exploit to world like you all!we re modern like you,we can fight for your policies and we can die for your policies so please take us,take my croatia to your emperialist arms, exploit us until we die" hehhe nevermind croatia,i think just you can be a perfect member for eu!hehe so run forrest run !go to cradle of capitalism :D goooooooooooooooooo

metalmania
12-28-2008, 12:40 PM
israel's bombing to palestine again!300 people died on 2 days.what does think europe about this event??? is U.N. sleeping????

zsk
12-28-2008, 02:08 PM
israel has a right to defend their country,that's not our problem
we should fight against the pirates first,we can't be the "world-police"

metalmania
12-28-2008, 02:22 PM
israel has a right to defend their country,that's not our problem
we should fight against the pirates first,we can't be the "world-police"
ok i understood your view." u mean if my nation dies,i can be anxious so i dont care about other nations" what can i say for you....its your little idea so fight with your pirates,fight forrest fight ;)

sKratch
12-28-2008, 02:25 PM
Do you guys know what "nation" means? Europe can't be one nation.

zsk
12-28-2008, 02:32 PM
ok i understood your view." u mean if my nation dies,i can be anxious so i dont care about other nations" what can i say for you....its your little idea so fight with your pirates,fight forrest fight ;)

you don't understand,waht should we do??? we don't have a chance to help...

metalmania
12-28-2008, 02:33 PM
oh its good i said these ideas before 1-2 pages ;) yes europe cant be a nation but the those countries can make a unity just for colonialism.and you can see that the biggest capitalist(except usa) countries make this unity and now they re not happy cause new and powerless countries came....so its just a fairy tale.but this idea was born first 1683 by U.K. anyway i say again:allfolks re our brothers but all emperialist governments re our enemies

metalmania
12-28-2008, 02:33 PM
you don't understand,waht should we do??? we don't have a chance to help...
ok dude i understood now ;) thanx

metalmania
12-28-2008, 02:43 PM
so these unities cant bring any solution to our world(like NATO,U.N.,E.U and more) you saw that world is becoming a warground slowly slowly but what re these biggest countries doing?(west or east countries) i dont discriminate ;) i hope one day, governments think to humanity but it seems so far;)

Jesus
12-28-2008, 04:47 PM
No. I'm not European, but i do hold British Citizenship; and although i support the concept of the EU (to a degree); the notion of completely abolishing the nation-state in Europe seems absurd; there is already too much reduction of state sovereignty in this world, we don't need any more.

That depends on how you define "state sovereignty". You can use the de jure concept which is useless in my opinion or the de facto one. Which is more useful and just basically means "the ability to act", and that "ability to act" or sovereignty can be enhanced by acting in a supranational structure as opposed to acting without one. I'd say the supranational structure of the EU has enhanced most member countries their de facto sovereignty. De jure you could make the case that it has reduced it, although it's usually overstated knowing the Council's powers. This is basically the same reasoning with which one can justify states in the past. on it's own an individual might be completely sovereign however de facto you're not, you need a group to be able to actually realize something, to achieve sovereignty you need to lose it (you could say).

What a bunch of people here seems to forget that both a stronger integration in the EU can go hand in hand with a further devolution of the state level. Thus a stronger supranational EU level together with stronger lower levels of government in "member states" to form a multi level governance structure. Which is an evolution you see a bunch of countries anyway. Regions or subnational entities gain more and more power and responsibilities and at the same time supranational integration increases. At the cost of the standard state level, all positive in my opinion. A Europe of regions.

What I don't understand with people that complain about the loss of "local culture". What does that (culture) mean? Is it fixed over time? And if your culture depends on a current state is it then really your culture anyway, and not the one created by the current state (and thus using the same reasoning as the one raised against the EU, equally bad)? Is the "culture" of the US being fat, being homophobic, enslaving blacks while eating a hot dog during a game of football? Should people who try or tried to change that be stopped because it would hurt US culture and they are just being imperialistic with "liberal values" (whatever that may be). "Culture" is like "God", both concepts have become more useless over time as people tried to define it in a shitload of different ways. Only useful in some scientific study where you outline what it means by a bunch of different words until you in the end realize that it would make more sense using those words from the start anyway. Fuck, it's like the "national interest" in scholarship by a bunch of realists (and also liberal) writers, they use it like it makes sense.

Gustavo
12-28-2008, 06:10 PM
It doesn't matter... I am from a third world country, I've never been to Europe, and I probably never will. ;)

Not Ozymandias
12-28-2008, 09:20 PM
Yes, Europe's more fun when they think they still matter. :)

pyrimid
12-28-2008, 10:10 PM
Do you guys know what "nation" means? Europe can't be one nation.

Yah! Then they can call them selves the "U.S.S.E." Union of Soviet Socialist Europe

That will be fun!

metalmania
12-29-2008, 10:22 AM
hehe it was so comic dude,europe never can be a scoialist unity ;) anyway i guess you know that israel's attacking to palestin ; 350 people(on a large scale civil unfortunatelly)died and they will countunie it ,yes this war is faraway for europe and europe's folks but you have to know this tragedy! kids re dying day by day :mad: its not a problem of only this geography,its a big problem of humanity!

Bipolar Bear
12-29-2008, 12:04 PM
I personally wouldn't want Europe to be ONE nation, I'd rather all the smaller
distinct nations with their cultures and customs. I'm mostly against globalization.

Rutegard
12-29-2008, 12:14 PM
it would be good for portugal!
i also think portugal should be part of spain, for some ppl it already is ahaha
but yeah...it would be good for Pt, but maybe just for Pt :p

metalmania
12-29-2008, 01:08 PM
and i guess this global emperialist system's philosophy is"homo homini lupus" ;)

metalmania
12-29-2008, 01:14 PM
and what do you all think about "united nations"? whats this unity's goal since 1945?and U.N. is successful?(when you think about wars)

ad8
12-29-2008, 02:33 PM
I think it would be good for Germany, but not really good for the whole Europe.

Trek
12-29-2008, 03:02 PM
Not good, you even can't imagine how many different languages and cultures there are in Europe. And it seems that, European countries work better, when they are separated, so you gotta keep them separated:cool: :P

Drafan
12-29-2008, 03:48 PM
No matter what we want, after 1000 years, everything will be different and we will be dust, long gone away so drink until you can

Punkrock1907
01-17-2009, 01:51 PM
so what do u think about turkey's membership???
we are trying to join europan union since 1945 or more old
but europa is detaing us with stupid reasosn
i want europa more honest about turkey's membership
if they dont want that they must say me clearly
by the way i dont care europan union
if any punk want to europe one nation it is so so funny for me
coz one nation meaning is powerfull and authority.
maybe real punkers against to globalizm???
if they are really belive in anarchy ofcourse

metalmania
01-17-2009, 02:08 PM
so what do u think about turkey's membership???
we are trying to join europan union since 1945 or more old
but europa is detaing us with stupid reasosn
i want europa more honest about turkey's membership
if they dont want that they must say me clearly
by the way i dont care europan union
if any punk want to europe one nation it is so so funny for me
coz one nation meaning is powerfull and authority.
maybe real punkers against to globalizm???
if they are really belive in anarchy ofcourse
goddamn !hey re you ok?whats the EU? EU is a big capitalist union and you say that turkey must join to this union!bravoooo!so you have to be a perfect capitalist and imperialist person!hey please read somethings!Turkey tries it since 1960's and europe union's history begun at 1683.anyway please defend to freedom ;)

Punkrock1907
01-17-2009, 03:07 PM
no man i didnt say that
its mean my government is trying to join
and u know how can people join to eu without a government
ofcourse i m against to eu
okay?

metalmania
01-17-2009, 03:11 PM
hell yeahhhhhhhhhhhh :D

metalmania
01-17-2009, 03:13 PM
and i have to say that your government is trying to be slave of EU! but nevermind EU uses them for their goals .anyway your folks determines your government but i say again :no governments yes folks!!!!

Punkrock1907
01-17-2009, 03:15 PM
man we are not slave of eu
we are slave of america
lol
and government's politic ideas are changing slowly slowly
maybe they see everything and they dont care so much about join to eu
thy dont make an effort so much anymore

zsk
01-17-2009, 03:17 PM
so what do u think about turkey's membership???
we are trying to join europan union since 1945 or more old
but europa is detaing us with stupid reasosn
i want europa more honest about turkey's membership
if they dont want that they must say me clearly
by the way i dont care europan union
if any punk want to europe one nation it is so so funny for me
coz one nation meaning is powerfull and authority.
maybe real punkers against to globalizm???
if they are really belive in anarchy ofcourse

no that won't happened!
and i hope this will not happened,the turkish people hate greece,and so i can't be able to put this two countries in a unity
and also the culure is too different,
european people+turkisch-that doesn't work here in germany
and this will not work in europe!

metalmania
01-17-2009, 03:19 PM
hm!maybe you re right!but your government's idea cant change.cause usa and EU did want your government.your government is indebted 'em!its not for Turkey.this rule is for other middleeast countries too!

Punkrock1907
01-17-2009, 03:20 PM
no that won't happened!
and i hope this will not happened,the turkish people hate greece,and so i can't be able to put this two countries in a unity
and also the culure is too different,
european people+turkisch-that doesn't work here in germany
and this will not work in europe!

dont worry dude
we dont want too
but i wonder about your ideas
are u a racist??why do turkish people hate greece?
did u ask that to yourself?
dont forget that after second world war germany was a ghost city
and who did work there for make better about germany?
maybe not mars people?

metalmania
01-17-2009, 03:25 PM
hehe i know :t zsk loves germany cause he is a perfect german person!he can die for germany's capitalist goals!he couldnt be a compatriot hehe ,maybe he will be ;)

zsk
01-17-2009, 03:26 PM
dont worry dude
we dont want too
but i wonder about your ideas
are u a racist??why do turkish people hate greece?
did u ask that to yourself?
dont forget that after second world war germany was a ghost city
and who did work there for make better about germany?
maybe not mars people?

there are soooo many turkish people in germany and i like some of them,they're realy good friends,but the most are idiots,they think they're stronger than the german and because of this germans and the turkish beat eachother, and the turkish mostly get the short end of the stick and so they even hate the german more...
so i see it doesn't work
russian italian,greek, or other immigrants live in peace with us,but the turkish people don't want to!
maybe it's because of the religion

Punkrock1907
01-17-2009, 03:31 PM
if german skin head nazis burn to turkish's homes ofcourse turkish people dont like that

zsk
01-17-2009, 03:38 PM
if german skin head nazis burn to turkish's homes ofcourse turkish people dont like that

the turkish started...
and even we burn down ther nazis:D
http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=IoFBHZkz7T8&feature=related
http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=7-HDC_5VjTw

Punkrock1907
01-17-2009, 03:42 PM
the turkish started...
and even we burn down ther nazis:D
http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=IoFBHZkz7T8&feature=related
http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=7-HDC_5VjTw

it doesnt work
and really good idea
if turkish burn us we can burn too??

zsk
01-18-2009, 02:16 PM
it doesnt work
and really good idea
if turkish burn us we can burn too??

wtf? what do you mean?

MasteR GunneR
01-19-2009, 06:29 AM
Tit for tat. That's what he means.

zsk
01-19-2009, 08:28 AM
al caida wants germanys soldiers to leave afghanistan they said otherwise we'll bomb you cars

metalmania
01-19-2009, 09:24 AM
hi all so hi to one nation hehe:D:rolleyes:

Stylie
01-19-2009, 11:18 AM
I voted no. Simply as that.
Of course it would be interesting, but nah, don't think so....

sipptaroowsky
01-20-2009, 05:10 AM
Someone mentioned Jugoslavija, Czechoslovakia, USSR falling apart. These were all communist countries (which is suicidal by itself), EU is a „republic“ so it's quite a different thing. I think that EU right now is allright, but smaller countryes should have the exact amount of power as the bigger one, becouse let's face it, we are all just doing what the founder countrys want us to do, what theyr politicians decide is right. If a country is to join EU it means she has to sacrifice some of her tradition, sovereignity and embrace all of the EU demands. But stil I am for Croatia to join EU, I think we'll profit more from EU by joining it than by boicoting it, and EU has to benefit from us. Joining EU doesn't mean joining a country, but joining a union, thus the name, European Union. There's no forcing a country to join EU, look at the Swis or Norway, maybe even Island, the reason they haven't joined the EU is economical but all other country have benefited from the union, Ireland especially. So in 2-3 (probably 5) years Croatia, Macedonia and Turkey are about to join EU, and then there's only (Bosnia and Herzegovina, Srbija, Crna Gora, Kosovo)=exYu, Albania, Moldova, Belarus, Ukraina to join and the whole Europe (with the exception of Island, Swis, Norway) is under one flag but also under every individual flag of their own. So Europe shouldn't be one nation, but one union.

sipptaroowsky
01-20-2009, 05:20 AM
Scoop of the day: the Turks threatening the EU that if they don't let them join the union über fast, there'll be no alternative route for gas - currently the main pipeline is through the Ukraine - and we'll all be up shit creek. Big blackmail looming. BUT the EU slapped their joker on the table, cursed under their breath and furiously pointing at Ankara, said "you lying mothers, you'd never get the pipeline to work anyway!".

And so it is stalemate so far.

EU has her own share of blackmail. For example, right now Slovenia is holding Croatia down because of some few kilometers of boarder, so Croatia is not allowed to join EU until she gives away some of her land to Slovenians, which is never gonna happen, this I’m sure of. And also, almost all EU countries and other European countries have ZERP, which is protection of native waters (which prevents other countries from fishing in these waters). But not Croatia, since she’s rich with fish but poor with power, and thus being blackmailed\exploited for her recourses. Also there are the hotels. What is to be concluded from this is that EU is having her own ways backfiring at her. Allso other countries, not just Croatia

zsk
01-20-2009, 07:57 AM
Scoop of the day: the Turks threatening the EU that if they don't let them join the union über fast, there'll be no alternative route for gas - currently the main pipeline is through the Ukraine - and we'll all be up shit creek. Big blackmail looming. BUT the EU slapped their joker on the table, cursed under their breath and furiously pointing at Ankara, said "you lying mothers, you'd never get the pipeline to work anyway!".

And so it is stalemate so far.

WE don't need gas!:mad:
we've got heating oil

RazorTr
01-20-2009, 04:01 PM
integration to EU should be evaulated carefully (especially by the candidates)
In Turkey, goverment do whateva EU wants, it is pretty shitty
also EU acts in a wrong way to Turkey:
EU integration period should not take this much time

i support EU in many aspects, economic cooperation in EU is beneficial, regulations in the justice system is also
and if Turkey will participate Schengen agreement one day, free movement system will be great for travelers like me :)

however i still believe that EU membership is not a must-have for Turkey

sipptaroowsky
01-21-2009, 07:00 AM
Zsk: and WE have nuclear power.

The guy from Zagreb: aww, poor small wee teedly EU countries. Get a grip, man. Any idea how many SUBSIDIES big rich LOCOMOTIVE countries gave to small countries like Greece, Croatia, Portugal, etc? It's huge, go research it and then come back with a better argument as to why she should give small countries a better proportional representation than they deserve. Do they help us French? No. Do we help them? Yes. So get back to your Balkanic warfare and leave us alone if you think you deserve more than your share of power. I'm half-Greek, I've lived in Athens for two years and YES, the government is corrupt and YES all this money we've spent on them comes to waste. It's not that I don't love Greece. I do. But I can winnow the wheat from the chaff and in the case of EU representation of Balkanic countries, there's a LOT of chaff, that's for sure.


Whooow, take it easy mate, no need to get all pms-ish on me. Yeah eu has given eu candidates some money, a few hundred million Euro, which is not as big as it sounds. And it is not a gift; it is an investment (so look that up). Because a country can produce as much as she enters with in eu. So eu is investing in its own economy. But yeah every eu country should have the same amount of power. That would mean cutting back for France and all the other giants, but unless it is done we are all obedient followers of France, UK, Germany...I know you don't want that, because it would mean equality you can not afford (being all frenchish and what not) but it's what eu stands for in the first place. And don't give me your attitude while hiding behind the screen, it only shows how little you think of what you say. Now the war thing, I think you shouldn't give me such an emotional response of what you know NOTHING about, and care even less to find out. It's not as simple as your wars. For example we didn't surrender to our oppressors (unlike some of the „great“ countries in the conversation), we fought them. And the war is over for 14 years now, no need to open old wounds mate.

HeadAroundU
01-21-2009, 09:00 AM
Not voting, time will tell. We will see how EU works under teh Lisbon Treaty.

EU should preserve individual cultures. We don't need niggas and Turks.

RazorTr
01-21-2009, 09:22 AM
Not voting, time will tell. We will see how EU works under teh Lisbon Treaty.

EU should preserve individual cultures. We don't need niggas and Turks.

As i'm a Turkish citizen, i'm offended, don't be a damn racist, be respectful

also you should read about Lisbon treaty more
http://europa.eu/lisbon_treaty/glance/index_en.htm

Unlike you, EU supports cultural variety and considers it as a richness for itself
and don't forget that main motivation behind EU is establishing economic development all across the continent
So cheap racism and folk talk can't reflect EU's view in reel politics

HeadAroundU
01-21-2009, 10:16 AM
It's you who's being offensive. I don't want you in EU till you get civilized. If I was a racist I wouldn't even talk to you. I'd kill you instantly. Allahu Akhbar!

There's more than enough variety in EU. We don't need more troubles. You have your own values. And since when Turkey is in Europe?

Cock Joke
01-21-2009, 10:42 AM
Awriiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight more Turkish pplz!

sipptaroowsky
01-21-2009, 11:44 AM
I thought it was Allah u Ekbm

metalmania
01-21-2009, 01:52 PM
hm i see that you re still talking about Eu.hm i guess this project has been disappointment for EU's big governments.this union is not powerfull against usa so EU is searching the new policies but uk is a member of this union and uk never leaves the usa policies and this is a big problem for EU,we can tell other problems like east europe countries's ecnomy's problems and more
hm what about Turkey in EU.first: europe's big governments 'd accept to ottoman empire on 1856 year.remember this date is paris lecture's date.these governments made a new union like present EU.and i remind:this union's real dates are 1683-1713-1723(uk said:ottoman empire must a member of this union " but france said"no ottoman empire never can be a member " anyway these subjects re historical subjects but if we saw the pas;we can understand present better"
so i can say these:EU is the union of capitalist mind.who can denial it?old colonist empires/ new bourgeous countries/ made this union.so Turkey or other countries never souldnt be member to this union.a country can live one one's own.why people need it?

RageAndLov
01-22-2009, 08:19 AM
No. Western Europe and Eastern Europe is too different. With too different type of governing these two parts could not blend together as one country. And the economy would crash! Unions like EU is okay, but every country should be individual and selfgoverning in Europe, because there are too different cultural difference.

In South America it could perhaps work, since the culture is much more the same than any other continents.

zsk
01-22-2009, 08:47 AM
integration to EU should be evaulated carefully (especially by the candidates)
In Turkey, goverment do whateva EU wants, it is pretty shitty
also EU acts in a wrong way to Turkey:
EU integration period should not take this much time

i support EU in many aspects, economic cooperation in EU is beneficial, regulations in the justice system is also
and if Turkey will participate Schengen agreement one day, free movement system will be great for travelers like me :)

however i still believe that EU membership is not a must-have for Turkey

hmm turkey
http://www.kochbuchfotos.de/fotos/truthahn-080211-xl.jpg
that's realy funny:http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=4XHwkhV3ttM
and that's the brutal truth:http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=psARTQmyF_c

sipptaroowsky
01-22-2009, 09:42 AM
No. Western Europe and Eastern Europe is too different. With too different type of governing these two parts could not blend together as one country. And the economy would crash! Unions like EU is okay, but every country should be individual and selfgoverning in Europe, because there are too different cultural difference.

In South America it could perhaps work, since the culture is much more the same than any other continents.

exactly .

metalmania
01-22-2009, 09:43 AM
you right about west and east europe countries absolutelly ;) so remember the "iron curtain" idiom!but there is no iron curtain now and west or east;they re trying to unite but its the conctaction of birth so i said the goal of this unity and my ideas for not folks;my ideas re about governments always.
note:and zsk!i see you.you always do it,you re just insulting with other countries.but you know that its a simple fascist idea.maybe you want to be a little hitler hehe but i dont care dude.everybody can insult with somethings but everyone esteems to somethings.for example:"cowboy" word.i can say "cow guy" but what is this?its just bullshit but if you have a little mind,it can be a perfect joke for you!and i can say many things about nazism or other pervert trends and i can insult with you or wtih your ancestors;but it can be just a miserable for me and for my mind and dont forget.your speechs determine your style and this style is so tragic

RazorTr
01-22-2009, 12:11 PM
@zsk
so childish dude i guess playgrounds for your age group should be enlarged in all over the world to prevent abuse of internet


Turkey is huge, and only a tiny part of it - and that only because of invasions - ever "belonged" to European soil.

In any case, it is so vast a land that it'd be more of a case of the EU joining Turkey than the reverse.

invasions if something called invasions happened where and when?
i think we should stop talking about a century ago Ottoman Empire
if it is over, so it is over =)
Maybe you should look at how is Turkey since 1923

and also
what is the big deal with the land? We have vast of the land at the Anatolia so what?
can you tell me which part of Cyprus is in the Europe continent?
is EU a game like Risk or the ATTACK game in the facebook?
does it have definite borders?


It's you who's being offensive. I don't want you in EU till you get civilized. If I was a racist I wouldn't even talk to you. I'd kill you instantly. Allahu Akhbar!

There's more than enough variety in EU. We don't need more troubles. You have your own values. And since when Turkey is in Europe?

i'm glad to see the non-racist part of you(with some senseless agrresion lol)
but it seems like things aren't clear let me tell in few sentences

can you tell something about Turkey that you know without any prejudice? What you know,how do you know about Turkey?
forgot about religion, race and history cause decomposition doesn't help neither EU nor Turkey nowadays
there a lots of ppl in Turkey who shares citizenship with different beliefs,values etc.
this can't be consider as a problem cause we live in peace
everybody have it is own values right, sharing this is the richness which EU tries to do

also i wonder
what makes ppl think Turkey as a trouble?
i wanna hear clear statements which explains
WHY TURKEY CAN NOT JOIN EU?

ad8
01-22-2009, 12:47 PM
what makes ppl think Turkey as a trouble?
i wanna hear clear statements which explains
WHY TURKEY CAN NOT JOIN EU?[/B]
Well, politicians criticise the low level of human rights and the political instability. I don't know that much about turkey, so I can't make a real opinion on the subject.

Punkrock1907
01-22-2009, 02:04 PM
we are bored hypocritical Eu politicas.they promised to turkey about cyprus.they said that ''if north cyprus accept to annan plan we will support and accept north cyprus turkish rebuplic.at last election north cyprus has accepted annan plan but south cyprus has declined this plan.what is result?south cyprus joined to EU.north cyprus is still waiting to be known and support from EU.
EU deceived to cyprus turkish people
as always
so why does anybody talk stupidly about Turkey???
if anybody doesnt know anything about Turkey,Shut up.ok?
i m really in shock.How cant anybody see trues??
and pls dont say we are punkers.coz u are just typical europan fascists
and your minds are still in the middle age like your big dads
coz anybody didnt forget OTTOMAN EMPIRE

metalmania
01-22-2009, 02:08 PM
we are bored hypocritical Eu politicas.they promised to turkey about cyprus.they said that ''if north cyprus accept to annan plan we will support and accept north cyprus turkish rebuplic.at last election north cyprus has accepted annan plan but south cyprus has declined this plan.what is result?south cyprus joined to EU.north cyprus is still waiting to be known and support from EU.
EU deceived to cyprus turkish people
as always
so why does anybody talk stupidly about Turkey???
if anybody doesnt know anything about Turkey,Shut up.ok?
i m really in shock.How cant anybody see trues??
and pls dont say we are punkers.coz u are just typical europan fascists
and your minds are still in the middle age like your big dads
coz anybody didnt forget OTTOMAN EMPIRE
wow hey dude be careful please or re you a member of ergenekon organization?;):D:D

Punkrock1907
01-22-2009, 02:12 PM
wow hey dude be careful please or re you a member of ergenekon organization?;):D:D

hahaha maybe u are right.
but i didnt make criticisim about our government
just said reailty
maybe u are agree with me too about Eu's cyprus politica

metalmania
01-22-2009, 02:18 PM
hehe ,you know that i was just joking and i guess it begun to be paranoia anyway im reading you but i have to go now so c ya later and i have to say that cyprus subject is a long story and you know it and it was a problem in old dates and now its a problem again too,ok i really have to go ;) c ya later so an-archos bless ya :)

Punkrock1907
01-22-2009, 02:20 PM
hehe ,you know that i was just joking and i guess it begun to be paranoia anyway im reading you but i have to go now so c ya later and i have to say that cyprus subject is a long story and you know it and it was a problem in old dates and now its a problem again too,ok i really have to go ;) c ya later so an-archos bless ya :)

alright dude
see ya later

sipptaroowsky
01-23-2009, 02:12 AM
you right about west and east europe countries absolutelly ;) so remember the "iron curtain" idiom!but there is no iron curtain now and west or east;they re trying to unite but its the conctaction of birth so i said the goal of this unity and my ideas for not folks;my ideas re about governments always.
note:and zsk!i see you.you always do it,you re just insulting with other countries.but you know that its a simple fascist idea.maybe you want to be a little hitler hehe but i dont care dude.everybody can insult with somethings but everyone esteems to somethings.for example:"cowboy" word.i can say "cow guy" but what is this?its just bullshit but if you have a little mind,it can be a perfect joke for you!and i can say many things about nazism or other pervert trends and i can insult with you or wtih your ancestors;but it can be just a miserable for me and for my mind and dont forget.your speechs determine your style and this style is so tragic


hahaha, you're funny

HeadAroundU
01-23-2009, 10:58 AM
we can tell other problems like east europe countries's ecnomy's problems
Slovakia has the biggest economic growth in EU right now. Just saying.

No. Western Europe and Eastern Europe is too different. With too different type of governing these two parts could not blend together as one country. And the economy would crash!
With the Lisbon Treaty it's all gonna be different. We will even have our own prime minister of EU.

hmm turkey
hmmm so tasty

can you tell something about Turkey that you know without any prejudice? What you know,how do you know about Turkey?
forgot about religion, race and history cause decomposition doesn't help neither EU nor Turkey nowadays
there a lots of ppl in Turkey who shares citizenship with different beliefs,values etc.
this can't be consider as a problem cause we live in peace
everybody have it is own values right, sharing this is the richness which EU tries to do

also i wonder
what makes ppl think Turkey as a trouble?
i wanna hear clear statements which explains
WHY TURKEY CAN NOT JOIN EU?
You are in a war with Kurds who like to have a sex with your women.

You have some troubles with wearing of veil (yashmak) in schools or something like that. This is so 1450. Get civilized.

Also, you can't just say forget about religion until you stop burning churches in Serbia. :d

PS: Stop reproducing so much, there's already 2 000 000 Turks in Germany. That's like half of Slovakia.


so why does anybody talk stupidly about Turkey???
if anybody doesnt know anything about Turkey,Shut up.ok?
i m really in shock.How cant anybody see trues??

and pls dont say we are punkers.coz u are just typical europan fascists
and your minds are still in the middle age like your big dads
coz anybody didnt forget OTTOMAN EMPIRE
Did we hurt your values?

Then, why do you want to join EU?

Punkrock1907
01-24-2009, 02:28 PM
Did we hurt your values?

Then, why do you want to join EU?[/QUOTE]

huh?
who wants to join EU?
i just told about cyprus problem from EU perspective
Coz EU was mediator with UN
if u dont know anything about this topic.Dont talk ok?
and u didnt hurt our values
maybe we did it long time ago
and be careful about taste Turkey.Ok? Coz It can stick in yours throat

RageAndLov
01-24-2009, 06:08 PM
Slovakia has the biggest economic growth in EU right now. Just saying.


Nevertheless it remains a poor country compared to other European countries

metalmania
01-26-2009, 03:44 AM
i sick for to say this:this unity will scatter 1 day.its must be done!this unity's only common question is just "how can we exploit the world better?"so they made it(this idea is government idea) anyway they did it but what will folks do ? could folks unite?these folks could be a body?i guess not!but these folks couldnt win against this capitalit power.folks couldnt be against the wars!so they re becoming the new slaves of this unity!but i must say it:some folks re still have a brain really like a lot of greks.... so they go hell with their stupid emperial rulzzz

sipptaroowsky
01-29-2009, 05:51 AM
HeadAroundU alias Lubomir, may I kindly and long-sufferingly remind you that when you start from NOUGHT as an economy, it's piss-easy to boost your growth rate. Of course you'd have a higher growth rate than say, Germany or France. But that's only because your economy is not as developed. Were it as developed, your statement would be uncommonly startling.

No need to be all cocky. The fact is that some country who's name you didn't know until a month ago, and who’s name you can't pronounce, has beaten you in one thing that you find valuable (besides The Offspring), money. So instead of being a big person and say congratulations, you speak of some starting from zero. As if you're so bloody evolved that you’ve exceeded these small issues and you're in the big boy’s league now. Pleeeeease, I doubt that even you can believe your nonsense. What zero are you talking about?

Blackball_
01-29-2009, 10:27 AM
No need to be all cocky. The fact is that some country who's name you didn't know until a month ago, and who’s name you can't pronounce, has beaten you in one thing that you find valuable (besides The Offspring), money. So instead of being a big person and say congratulations, you speak of some starting from zero. As if you're so bloody evolved that you’ve exceeded these small issues and you're in the big boy’s league now. Pleeeeease, I doubt that even you can believe your nonsense. What zero are you talking about?

could you go a chicken supper...?

zsk
01-29-2009, 11:59 AM
i made this post and then the most non-europeans came and voted no:rolleyes:

ily2
01-29-2009, 09:06 PM
ther would be some good things and some VERY bad, i think we should just keep things how they are

metalmania
02-01-2009, 10:43 AM
so this voting shows it:my ideas re right and europe folks re not ready for this unity.europe governments have united but folks havent!so nevermind the governments!oh poor twisted me hehe!

RazorTr
02-02-2009, 09:25 AM
Slovakia has the biggest economic growth in EU right now. Just saying.

You are in a war with Kurds who like to have a sex with your women.

You have some troubles with wearing of veil (yashmak) in schools or something like that. This is so 1450. Get civilized.

Also, you can't just say forget about religion until you stop burning churches in Serbia. :d

PS: Stop reproducing so much, there's already 2 000 000 Turks in Germany. That's like half of Slovakia.


first you better know something about economic growth
if you stop masturbate yourself with the "we have the biggest growth in EU" phrase
you will understand it doesn't mean that you have the highest per capita income or have the highest gross domestic product in EU, it just means that you guys started to learn how to do something with your potential, better than before
in other words "optimizing the usage resources" and that doesn't make you the best in EU or elsewhere
further reading (available @wikipedia)
1-catch up effect
2-convergence hypothesis


*another ad hominem point of view: "all slovakian girls are perfect bitches(surely they are) and let's go 'n nail them up"
relating civilized Kurds directly with terrorist organization pkk is senseless
also it is not a war it can be called as operation against terrorism
in order to be called as a war, there must be military of a state, against our military force
but these ones are kill our citizens and burn our cars everyday this is what we call terrorism and fighting against terrorism and war are different

SO, we aren't fighting with Kurds, in contrast we have more than 10 billion Kurds in Turkey as Turkish citizens who lives with us in peace, but we are fighting with terrorist pkk bullshit which is a operation against terrorism, not a war.

*having trouble with veil or other things is our very own problem
and it has nothing to do with EU integration process
also European Court of Human Rights did found Turkey right in cases about veil

*if there is something happened i can't remember how many people that killed by Serbians at SREBRENICA?
sorry but we never burned down any churches in Turkey
if that kinda act happened in Turkey i would like to know where and when?
also we are not responsible from all of the Muslims in the world
isn't it such a bullshit like all Christians are responsible from guilt of each other?
If you guys do not want Muslims in Europe because just "we have different beliefs then yours" i guess it should be better told explicitly in order to show who is discriminating against who


PS: instead of looking for the number of Turkish people
maybe you better look for why you guys run out of people and EU gets older each year

sipptaroowsky
02-02-2009, 02:44 PM
but these ones are kill our citizens and burn our cars everyday this is what we call terrorism and fighting against terrorism and war are different



this is what we call a football game after party (soccer for all you enlightened out there)

sorry if I'm being inpolite,

RazorTr
02-03-2009, 04:56 PM
this is what we call a football game after party (soccer for all you enlightened out there)

sorry if I'm being inpolite,

i really couldn't understand it :)