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pyrimid
12-30-2008, 04:10 AM
What is your opinion on the end of the ceasefire in the Israeli/Palestine conflict?

Rutegard
12-30-2008, 04:42 AM
what about both are terrible and cannot be justified??

WerGee
12-30-2008, 04:43 AM
this is rather reciprocal

Rutegard
12-30-2008, 04:53 AM
What is your opinion on the end of the ceasefire in the Israeli/Palestine conflict?

you are for israel right?

Drafan
12-30-2008, 08:16 AM
I can´t see any solution for this problem and can´t say who´s right, it´s just two dogs in a little kennel

metalmania
12-30-2008, 09:00 AM
so thank you for you re sensitive about this problem but we have to know the history of this geography before question of "who is right or who isnt?"
1.point: now you know that israel is a powerful country and they made a country on 1948 there,usa hepls to israel government with money everyyear.and this country sees to itself like a master of middleeast(and it can be if we can think about their material power),this zionist views's goal is just to manage to world and i accept that zionism is so powerful

2.point:palestine's problem begins with 1948(and we can say that its a arabic problem) anyway a BAAS movement was born by Nasr in 1960's so this movement was nationally-left political(like national socialism)movement.This movement did unite to egytp,syria and other arabic places( support by USSR) and a war started beetween israel and arabic places on 1967.anyway . israel(usa and U.K) won(they destroyed the egypt's perfect war radars(but russian officers were responsible about these radars)

3.point:
Yaser Arafat made a organization and this organization's name is "Palestine Nationally Liberation Movement" on 1964(this movement was joining to Baas view/national-left politic movement)
Ahmed Sukeyri made a organizaiton too(Palestine Liberation Organization) on 1964 too,palestine liberation army was armed side of this organization.they were fighting their folk's liberation but they were alone cause i told that Baas movement lost this war and these organizations were continuing this war
these organizations's politic views re "freedom- national socialism"

4.point:
their popularism lost 1980's cause a new organization arised on 1987(İslamic Resistance Movement) and this organization's view was different from other organizations(look up).cause IRM's politic view was relegion.they were taking the help from egyp's organizations (other religious organizations).they re fighting too and left politic view want from this geography and i guess usa and england governments were happy.

5.point:
sometimes these organizations cant understand each other themselves so their members split automatically and sometimes they have false policies sometimes

6.point:
israel left the gazze line to plaestine by 2.Oslo pact on 2005 and this place were safe but now??

7.point:
israel has got bombs,planes,perfect weapons,material helps by capitalism,zionism....they re using these powers if they will

8. and my point:
palestine folk is alone,this place is just organization place cause world does not help them and they re crying,tehy re still bleeding .350 people died and majority is :kid-woman.cant you see it?i guess this war will contunie 2 months and its so bad
i can say : i love plestine folk and i can understand their agonies,world is just watching,United Nations re just talking blablabla....i dont trust this organization.this organization is just a puppet of five governments.cant you see? this war beetween bombs and sling shots ;)
so viva PALESTINE FOLK!!!
i guess emperialist governments re watching this war pleasant pleasant in their hot houses.Kids,women,young boys re dying day by day.maybe israel's soldiers re dying (sometimes) there but do you know that palestine's civils re dying there!anyway i hope ;this war will finish one day and allfolks will be brother maybe its so hard now but one day limits will go and humanity will win!it must be for our world!
go hell warlords go hell emperialism ,capitalism and fascism!!!

ad8
12-30-2008, 09:31 AM
I think that Israel is wrong, but the Hamas is wrong, too. I guess there's no solution for this situation. Of course, the Hamas could stop shooting rockets at Israel and then Palestine could ask for the help of the UN/whoever, but that's not very likely to happen.

metalmania
12-30-2008, 10:04 AM
and this poll is nonsense ;)

wheelchairman
12-30-2008, 11:39 AM
I don't have an opinion on the 'new' peacefire, I don't know enough about it or whatever.

Generally I'm of the opinion that since I've never been to Israel or Palestine myself, what insight could I have in this conflict, beyond some lame ideological one?

No, what is far more fascinating is the fervent supporters of one side or the other. It seems almost that incredible that the division between who supports Israel and who supports Palestine is the same division between left and right. (Yes of course there are exceptions, and of course the division between left and right is different from country to country, spare me the obvious counter points, I'm speaking very generally of course).

So generally I don't like discussing this issue. I don't really have a solution, or any idea how to bring about one. My gut instinct is that, like in so many conflicts that last for a longer period of time, the conflict itself has become more profitable (for both sides), than peace would be. In which case, the only way to bring about resolution would be to make peace more profitable than the conflict. Also for the countries that aren't actively participating in the conflict.

But that's my gut instinct because I have not researched the issue very deeply, and I've never been to Israel nor Palestine. I could easily be wrong. Very easily.

p.s. I find it annoying that the poll is so two-sided and un'nuanced'.

Blitzkrieg Bop
12-30-2008, 11:43 AM
I'm not gonna vote for the simple reason that the options are ridiculous and my opinion on the whole Israel and Palestine matter is that it is totally insane. How many more innocent people need to die over the issue of land and religion?

metalmania
12-30-2008, 11:53 AM
so this subject comprises the middleeast so you have to look to this subject from larger angle.i tried to tell the history of this war above (i hope;yuo did read)but i know ;its not enough anyway this war is going,with planes and with tanks :mad:

IamSam
12-30-2008, 03:12 PM
so this subject comprises the middleeast so you have to look to this subject from larger angle.i tried to tell the history of this war above (i hope;yuo did read)but i know ;its not enough anyway this war is going,with planes and with tanks :mad:

Would it be better if the war was happening with sticks and stones?

Jesus
12-30-2008, 03:36 PM
The ideal solution would be obviously for Israel to be destroyed. It's also in their best interest. Because it's not safe to have a state around that refuses to have borders. The latest indication was that Israel would determine them by 2010, although that will be delayed like it has been in the past. So no reasons to trust them. And heck who knows, they might decide where you live belongs to them. It's also not good for themselves because it causes them to behave violently towards other countries and people which results in their own citizens and soldiers getting killed too! Too dangerous to have around, and also inherently imperialistic. Therefor it's best that it's destroyed.

Although I don't advocate a violent strategy for that to happen, since I'm not a fan of ethnic cleansing or collective punishment. No no, I advocate another strategy much much more humane, it's a slower one though. So what would my strategy be? First we make trade with Israel impossible, a ridiculous high tariff for instance and of course making sure that they can't use the sea to do some illegal trading. Then we also have to make sure that they don't receive humanitarian aid, cause that would just slow down the destruction. Of course when poverty is increasing and the Israelis start to realize that they have little rights left we might start to see some violence directed at us! Well in that case we obviously have to use some violence. Some air strikes directed at strategic targets would be the best option, to teach them a lesson and also to make resistance to our kindness more difficult! We continue doing our noble deed until they finally cave in and accept some land and borders which we'll obviously only determine then.

T-6005
12-30-2008, 03:43 PM
Today I read that Israelis have a ton of sex.

Jesus
12-30-2008, 03:43 PM
Would it be better if the war was happening with sticks and stones?

Goes without saying really, I think most sane people would consider a fight between equals fairer and better than one where one side has a ridiculous advantage over the other. Let alone that most wars wouldn't happen today if both sides were equal in military capacities or technology given that most countries are democracies. Take your own country (like any semi-democracy) it only even bothers to engage in a war when it has an opponent it outclasses on paper.

IamSam
12-30-2008, 04:49 PM
Goes without saying really, I think most sane people would consider a fight between equals fairer and better than one where one side has a ridiculous advantage over the other. Let alone that most wars wouldn't happen today if both sides were equal in military capacities or technology given that most countries are democracies. Take your own country (like any semi-democracy) it only even bothers to engage in a war when it has an opponent it outclasses on paper.

I agree with you. I was just being an ass and making fun of metalmania. ;)

pyrimid
12-31-2008, 12:07 AM
you are for israel right?

No, I feel that they both have a right to exist.

I just do not like the way either is going about the whole thing.

First you have a country that was founded on subterfuge and deception, who took advantage of people who were not as educated and very greedy.

And on the other side you have people who do not want peace, (they have been offered solutions). War is more profitable, and the money they get would dry up, then they might have to face their real problems.

pyrimid
12-31-2008, 12:09 AM
and this poll is nonsense ;)

And what would you have put in it?

pyrimid
12-31-2008, 12:10 AM
I'm not gonna vote for the simple reason that the options are ridiculous and my opinion on the whole Israel and Palestine matter is that it is totally insane. How many more innocent people need to die over the issue of land and religion?

Sounds like the same thing that is happening in Africa.......

pyrimid
12-31-2008, 12:18 AM
The ideal solution would be obviously for Israel to be destroyed.

Sounds like you are advocating genocide?



Although I don't advocate a violent strategy for that to happen, since I'm not a fan of ethnic cleansing or collective punishment. No no, I advocate another strategy much much more humane, it's a slower one though. So what would my strategy be? First we make trade with Israel impossible, a ridiculous high tariff for instance and of course making sure that they can't use the sea to do some illegal trading. Then we also have to make sure that they don't receive humanitarian aid, cause that would just slow down the destruction. Of course when poverty is increasing and the Israelis start to realize that they have little rights left we might start to see some violence directed at us! Well in that case we obviously have to use some violence. Some air strikes directed at strategic targets would be the best option, to teach them a lesson and also to make resistance to our kindness more difficult! We continue doing our noble deed until they finally cave in and accept some land and borders which we'll obviously only determine then.

This seems to be a familiar concept, oh yes this is pretty much the same that the Americans did to the American Indians. We all know how that turned out, why don’t we just cut to the chase and kill 75% of all the Jews and let the rest build casinos.

IamSam
12-31-2008, 12:25 AM
Sounds like you are advocating genocide?



The country you schmuck. Not the people in the country.

OSITA PELIGROSA
12-31-2008, 12:47 AM
que se supone que hay que decidir o hay que elegir ?
que ?
donde estan los derechos de las personas?
donde se supone que estamos parados?
a donde se supone que queremos llegar?
cuando se va a acabar todo esto?
es muy triste realmente todo esto que pasa en el mundo que nos afecta a todos. pero mas triste es aun, votar y tomar decisiones por otros.

IamSam
12-31-2008, 12:48 AM
English dude. English.

wheelchairman
12-31-2008, 05:26 AM
This was clearly Jesus using humor...

Although it makes sense to some degree. Jesus was killed by the Jews after all.

metalmania
12-31-2008, 07:13 AM
and israel is censoring to television channels and journalists for yesterday and you re just watching to what they want;) anyway hey sam yep,i understood your joke ;) and you know that what i want to tell with this speech.400 people died now,gazze is under the surrounding and they re civils.and i curious about israel's planes was doing " point shooting" and they take pride in it so how can shoot the civil folk and houses??? ;)

Drafan
12-31-2008, 09:10 AM
Czech Minister of foreign affairs Schwarzenberk is going there to act about truce, they should have sent Arnold Schwarzenegger instead

Rebel_Wolf
12-31-2008, 11:32 AM
also Palestinian is innocent, zionism kill palestinians...it isn't true

metalmania
12-31-2008, 12:15 PM
also Palestinian is innocent, zionism kill palestinians...it isn't true
y64 re right dude but world's big governments just watch it cause they love war ;) so its just not palestine folk's problem;its wholehumanity's problem but humanity is still living?;)

Al Coholic
01-01-2009, 04:43 PM
y64 re right dude but world's big governments just watch it cause they love war ;) so its just not palestine folk's problem;its wholehumanity's problem but humanity is still living?;)

Dude just stop it already. Anybody else notice this guys runs around in every thread with the same bullshit? "Us democracy is big lie, the worlds curropt and loves to making war....your eyes are closed they make money from warblood oil its all big lie...anarchy would solve everything ;) " or something to that effect. With no facts to back anything up and little relevance to the actual topic. This kids gotta be some rebellious twelve year old that got grounded and thought that was unfair. And since theres too much injustice in the world anarchy is the perfect solution. Bought some stickers and patches with the faggy symbol and hit the internet hard lookin to... idk, make believers or some bullshit?






And I know its not important, but whats with the fuckin winks? You say something thats clearly a declaritive statement. Theres no sarcasm, no play on words, no reason to wink. It makes it as though you don't mean what you just said.





aaaaaanyway. The polls stupid but since were on the subject, I would like to say that there is no good solution. You got two sides not just fighting over land, but for the holy land for christs sake(no pun intended). I'd give Palestinians something to call a homeland. Not the whole west bank but atleast the Gaza strip. I do realize that the conflict would not be resolved by that, but its a step in the right direction.

Hammas is a disgusting terrorist organization that has somehow recieved official power. But people do need to understand that Hammas doesn't represent the views of all of Palestine. I understand Isreal's reaction to Hammas. I doubt any other government would react much differently. With war there will always be civilian casualties, so ofcourse thats whats all over the news. This will probably result in another cease fire months from now, which will last as long as Hammas decides it should. This is a pattern that will undoubtedly repeat itself for decades if not centuries.

metalmania
01-02-2009, 08:09 AM
i did explain the history of plaestine's organizations. these organizations(palestine liberation organization,el-fetih...) were very good on 1960's(BAAS moviment) but they lost the 1967 war and Hamas came on 1987.Hamas's policy's was different from other organizations's view cause Hamas is religious organization but they re fighting for plaestine's freedom and i know that they re using bad tehcnics sometimes,i dont approve them,nut israel is not shooting just to HAMAS,they re shooting civils,buildings,schools. and its not ok but you have to see the bad position of palestine...even arabic unity cant help them cause they re feraing from uk's or usa's reaction so its so bad and so loathsome policy.i guess these arabic unity is still under the 1967 war complex,i say again ;this war is not new,and wholeworld knows it but ......money and other ideas ,i dont care and i know their tragedy

Al Coholic
01-03-2009, 01:03 PM
Suppose there was no isreal. You'd probly be posting about the plight of the Jews. Don't just hate the people in power. Casualties are a part of any conflict. The palestinains know that every time they launch an attack. They know there will be a retaliation. Atleast the Isreali government targets terrorists, and there are casualties as a result. Half of the Palestinian terrorists just kill randomly. In lamens terms both sides play dirty. Its a dirty fucking game, and there is no solution.

Suppose you create a Palestine. Even with as much UN oversight as realistically possible, your giving terrorists and militias of Islam a sovereign safehaven from which to operate, in the middle of fuckin Isreal. Ofcourse the Isreali government is going to be firmly against it. Anyone would. This is muslim holy land about as much as it is Christian or Jewish isn't it? Im surprised things aren't worse there. Its THE quagmire of our time. The title of this thread, "Isreal or Palestine" is ridiculous. Picking a side only means that your hoping the other loses. The best you can hope for is a set of economic circumstances that promote and enforce peace and cooperation. Right now I don't think the economics work that way. I think its more of a winner takes all type of deal, but I know fucknothing because I don't live there and haven't really studied the region all that deeply.

Anyway, aren't you the posterboy for preteen internet anarchists? Shouldn't you be explaining how if there was no government right now, everything would be peachy?

metalmania
01-03-2009, 01:57 PM
first point:i have no problem about jews or islam or christianity ;) so please dont mix it,ok ;) !!!i dont care about their relegions.it doesnt matter for me.you can never see my writing about relegion!look again! and i said that hamas is using the terrorism and again i said that hamas is different organization from preceding organizations in palestine.and you said that "atleast and israel governments hunts only terrorist " do you really beleive it? civils re dying more than terrorists.cant you see? or in iraq;1 million people died,allpeople were terrorsit?why many people died in old jugoslavia and why did U.N. watch this war?

second point:i have no problem with these countries's folks ;my problem is about their governments like all other governments ;) yeah i hate capitalist governments so is it bad?and noone can win this war maybe just death can win! yeah and im in side of wronged folks; in europe,in asia,in america,africa,in australia...no matter!we must think this world in the wholeness.so we shouldnt fall to this trap!cause capitalism and emperialism re separating to our world to areas but its not right.

third point:im using to internet for my ideas,is it bad?but my ideas living harder in my life too.i dont care about who will win this war.i care about other subjects in this war.anyway thanx for your idea ;)

Al Coholic
01-03-2009, 08:33 PM
I never called you a bigot. Never said you had an ethnic or religeous bias. Just that no matter which side had sovereignty, the other one was doomed to be the underdog. Be it the Jews or the Muslims of the area currently known as Isreal.

Its easy to point fingers and say one party is guilty. But it seemed as though you have a selective ignorance to the big picture. What I said, simply, was that if the PLO, Hammas, whoever wants to sponsor terror attacks, be it openly or covertly, there will be a retaliation. Its your duty as the government that is supposed to protect its people to hunt down and capture the people that are firing goddam rockets at innocent people. Be it from a capitalist, communist, socialist government or whatever. And the guys organizing and commiting these attacks knew that, and did it anyway. Not in spite of it, but BECAUSE of it. They wanted their own to die as casualties of what is essentially a civil war over there. They wanted martyrs. And its certainly got the media attention. I don't condone the extreme force the Isreali governments used and I'm not naive. In some cases its necessary, in others, yeah, they can be just as bad as the Palestinians.

And yeah, as someone who's actually studied international relations and economics I can tell you you're stupid. Running around the internet saying that the solution to it all is for humanity to not act human is stupid. If only human nature wasn't what it is, ____________. Fill that in with whatever you want. It can't be disproven, but it can never be. You have no real insight to anything, you're just another kid that thinks they've come to this great understanding of the world because you don't believe in a governments rhetoric and propaghandi. Congrats, but just because I disagree with your ridiculous concepts doesn't mean I buy into it either, it just means I'm not naive enough to think of some of the dumb shit you type into your keyboard.

metalmania
01-04-2009, 03:40 AM
ok anyway i see that we never get on well,and i see that your ideas perfect for yourself and i see again that my ideas re perfect for myself.hehe so nevermind!our ideas re fighting somewhere,but its good and we re free for now

sKratch
01-04-2009, 04:07 PM
This seems to be a familiar concept,
Here I was thinking, "Oh, ok. He gets it."

oh yes this is pretty much the same that the Americans did to the American Indians. We all know how that turned out, why don’t we just cut to the chase and kill 75% of all the Jews and let the rest build casinos.
Nope you're a huge idiot, never mind.

pyrimid
01-05-2009, 08:49 PM
Here I was thinking, "Oh, ok. He gets it."

Nope you're a huge idiot, never mind.

No, you don't get it, I just posted this topic to see what the consensus was.

I have been there and have seen first hand and have experienced this subject. I just was wondering the opinion of people who enjoy the same taste in music as I do.

By the way I do not care for either of the cultures, as far as I am concerned they can kill each other all they want.

wheelchairman
01-05-2009, 09:19 PM
What you didn't get was that Jesus was not making a serious post. Bizarre I know, I can't remember him making a non-serious post...in well ever. But the wording is clear enough.

sKratch
01-06-2009, 08:38 AM
Every part of me cringes when I consider explaining jokes on the Internet.

What you said was especially stupid because your saying "familiar concept"--even if you didn't actually get it (which you obviously didn't)--should have made you have an "Ohhhh. Right, I see what you did there," moment.

findout5
01-06-2009, 03:58 PM
One thing we all must know: that war has small breaks but will always exist. Fuck it. Fuck them all. They're all nuts!

pyrimid
01-07-2009, 02:44 AM
Every part of me cringes when I consider explaining jokes on the Internet.

What you said was especially stupid because your saying "familiar concept"--even if you didn't actually get it (which you obviously didn't)--should have made you have an "Ohhhh. Right, I see what you did there," moment.

What you don’t seem to understand is that no matter what you say or do, they will still kill, they will still believe in what they want to.

So unless you plan to do as I have done and go there and see for your selves, feel the hatred in the air, the blood underneath your fingernails, and the total disregard for human life. I would expect you to continue talking from you glass house and casting stones at whomever does not agree with your neatly packaged point of view.

Then to only scoff it off as “I was only joking” when confronted with the truth of the situation.

The truth is that you will never understand the complexities of the world until you get out there and live it. To understand what it is like to be shot at for your point of view, to feel the blood of your brothers dirty your hands only because they were to slow to avoid bullets. To know that the only reason someone wants you dead is because of the uniform you ware.

metalmania
01-07-2009, 07:27 AM
wow!even U.N. saw this genocide ,and U.N did an explanation yesterday night.heh i be affected so much pehpehpeh!500 people died,schools,hospitals be destroyed without reason (and they re still talking about HAMAS,so please dont kid cause its enough ) little kids,girls,boys were hamas???? they rent talking like us now cause they re living under the earth now.for why??? so israel government said that we can talk over about peace now !!!! and U.N said yesterday night:"hey please stop it,please" as if they did beg!so allworld must be embarassed for this tragedy.U.N. or Nato or other unions.these unions re a big lie.anyway allworld watched this terrible horror.anyway humanity lost again. so their big rule is just" homo homini lupus" so breAk the rulesssssssssss

wheelchairman
01-07-2009, 12:24 PM
What you don’t seem to understand is that no matter what you say or do, they will still kill, they will still believe in what they want to.

So unless you plan to do as I have done and go there and see for your selves, feel the hatred in the air, the blood underneath your fingernails, and the total disregard for human life. I would expect you to continue talking from you glass house and casting stones at whomever does not agree with your neatly packaged point of view.

Then to only scoff it off as “I was only joking” when confronted with the truth of the situation.

The truth is that you will never understand the complexities of the world until you get out there and live it. To understand what it is like to be shot at for your point of view, to feel the blood of your brothers dirty your hands only because they were to slow to avoid bullets. To know that the only reason someone wants you dead is because of the uniform you ware.
Well you're a dumbass. It wasn't a scoff. It was rather clear by the wording of the post. I'm sorry your reading comprehension sucks, but I should've guessed by the fact that you can't spell pyramid.

metalmania
01-08-2009, 11:00 AM
hugo chavez did show his politic reaction to israel government's policy about this war ;) so chavez is courageous man really.he is not muslim or jew but he can see the realities ;)

wheelchairman
01-08-2009, 11:15 AM
It seems almost that incredible that the division between who supports Israel and who supports Palestine is the same division between left and right.

Predictable. Especially on chavez's part.

sKratch
01-08-2009, 11:53 AM
I'm glad John Stewart called the media out on universally supporting Israel's actions with no questioning. David Gregory squirmed a bit to get out of admitting it.

wheelchairman
01-08-2009, 12:20 PM
When did that air? (I'm assuming it was the Daily Show)

metalmania
01-08-2009, 01:26 PM
i saw it on newspaper today maybe it can be air but its a protestation in same time anyway this tragedy is still walking on the streets of middleeast and if you ask that when will this state finish,i say ;never ! this place is still smothering in tragedy!world will watch it again again almost like in africa,asia,caucasus(kafkasia).

Duskygrin
01-12-2009, 12:54 PM
The photos are really revolting. I never was so grossed out since those archive war pics got out.

metalmania
01-13-2009, 03:57 PM
same war but different deathbodies since 1950.your ancestors saw it too and your kids will see it too.we re just talking and watching.we re not producing to action but i just helped with money for people in bad position and i know that its not enough.i can just say:when you watch there on tv please keep away from popcorn

metalmania
01-16-2009, 03:04 PM
so when will this war end?i guess "never" yeah this tragedy is still living and humanity forgets alltragedies

Al Coholic
01-17-2009, 11:32 AM
so when will this war end?i guess "never" yeah this tragedy is still living and humanity forgets alltragedies

Hows that, exactly?

metalmania
01-17-2009, 12:34 PM
i dont answer to your question! you know the reason...

Al Coholic
01-17-2009, 12:55 PM
No really I'd like you to explain how humanity forgets all tragedies. I don't care if you cite your anarchist agenda, but how exactly is that true? People are very aware of what's been going on in Isreal/Palestine. Now if you would like to say that a lot of tragedies in this world are ignored, that's one thing. I could agree with that. There's a lot of genocide in Africa that's gone largely underreported and documented. But once it is actually brought to attention, like say the tsunami, or the holocaust, how exactly is humanity forgetting its own tragedys?

metalmania
01-17-2009, 02:02 PM
No really I'd like you to explain how humanity forgets all tragedies. I don't care if you cite your anarchist agenda, but how exactly is that true? People are very aware of what's been going on in Isreal/Palestine. Now if you would like to say that a lot of tragedies in this world are ignored, that's one thing. I could agree with that. There's a lot of genocide in Africa that's gone largely underreported and documented. But once it is actually brought to attention, like say the tsunami, or the holocaust, how exactly is humanity forgetting its own tragedys?
yeah so you re living in imperfect world and you re a member of this rule but im not ,i cant accept them so i say again : exploitation is contining and humanity is watching it with pocprns in hot homes b ut im still keeping my hopes.and i have to say it:my culture has not got the " to run down" but i think your culture has got it!remember your ideas about me in media thread!

metalmania
01-17-2009, 03:26 PM
wake up world wake up!!!!

metalmania
02-03-2009, 02:27 PM
wow.This thread is going down!hm so its proof for my idea again,thanx all!this thread is not popular for you now?anyway im just kidding,this war begun again!bombs,deads,kids......what can i say?just oh poor, alone geography!listen to the "harvester of sorrow "song

0r4ng3
02-03-2009, 03:06 PM
. . . what?

IamSam
02-03-2009, 03:19 PM
yeah so you re living in imperfect world and you re a member of this rule but im not

You're a part of the world, like it or not. Many actual anarchists actually try to help those in need versus saying 'screw you' like you have done here.

metalmania
02-04-2009, 07:27 AM
yeah i know that im the part of this world but careful:its means the geographic!!! so im not part of this imperfect idea system ;) and i didnt forget your speechs about me in anarchy thread. so i guess you begun to think good;)

NGNM85
02-04-2009, 04:32 PM
I never called you a bigot. Never said you had an ethnic or religeous bias. Just that no matter which side had sovereignty, the other one was doomed to be the underdog. Be it the Jews or the Muslims of the area currently known as Isreal.

It's totally possible for these two ethnic groups to exist in roughly the same area without killing eachother, just not under the present arrangement.


Its easy to point fingers and say one party is guilty. But it seemed as though you have a selective ignorance to the big picture. What I said, simply, was that if the PLO, Hammas, whoever wants to sponsor terror attacks, be it openly or covertly, there will be a retaliation.

I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and just assume that you're getting most of you're news from the mainstream US media (Which is about 6 corporations.) where the coverage has been rediculously one-sided and distorted, the biggest issue is the lies of omission, where a number of essential facts have been deliberately left out to conform with the authorized narrative. First of all, Isreal started this current conflict, the rockets were in RETALIATION, thats' on the Israeli governments' own website, but receives little mention. In fact, Israel has been planning to conduct this assault shortly after the ceasefire began. One of the main reasons was that Hamas' leadership has recently indicated they're open to peace along the 1967 guidelines, which is also accepted by the Palestinian authority, and they're right to the territory was reaffirmed in 2004 by the International Court is legally theirs. (Gaza, West Bank, East Jerusalem, etc.) The UN votes on this issue aboutevery year, this past year the vote was 164-7, including Australi, Micronesia, a couple other bit players and the US. The United States is essential for maintaining the human rights crisis in the Palestinian territories, the UN, the Arab League (Iran, etc.) and the Palestinan Authority, and now Hamas, are all open to settlement along the '67 agreement.So you see, rejectionism is a serious impediment to the peace process, the rejectionism of Israel and the United States, without which, this could be essentially resolved by next month.


Its your duty as the government that is supposed to protect its people to hunt down and capture the people that are firing goddam rockets at innocent people.

It's really a testament to the gullibility of the western public ands the sophistication of our media manipulation that Israel, which is the military superpower in the region, technologically equivalent to the US and Britain, essentially, with a massive standing army, is able to conquer other peoples' territory, invade it's neighbors, torture, and hold prisoners indefinately without charges, etc.,....and claim to be the victim. It's really almost laughable.


Be it from a capitalist, communist, socialist government or whatever. And the guys organizing and commiting these attacks knew that, and did it anyway. Not in spite of it, but BECAUSE of it. They wanted their own to die as casualties of what is essentially a civil war over there. They wanted martyrs. And its certainly got the media attention. I don't condone the extreme force the Isreali governments used and I'm not naive. In some cases its necessary, in others, yeah, they can be just as bad as the Palestinians.

"Just as bad as the Palestinians", wow. In this current conflict the Israeli death count is at about 14, 4 from friendly fire, the Palestinian death toll is 1400+, with a thousand or more injured on top. I think Israel's use of force, read; mass slaughter, will have the same effect as the former presidents' "War on Terror", namely, a sharp ESCALATION in violence, which the NSA accurately predicted and just about any rational person would expect.

On a side note, I think the poll is ridiculous. Niether side should have to be destroyed, and picking sides like we're talking about football teams is asinine. There is a peace proposal with has been accepted by the UN, Arab League, and the Palestinians, which is pretty clear. It is our responsibility to counter the poisonous rhetoric clouding this essential truth and to use the means at our disposal to end the US/Israeli rejectionism. Peace is possible.

Hypno Toad
02-05-2009, 03:32 AM
Both sides are wrong. Israel needs to understand that they are not welcomed where they are, and if they want a good response, they had better work with their neighbors, and allow Palestinians to live in Israel. Palestine is a damaged, extremist nation who does not use diplomatic efforts, it just fires these: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-lGwyySrwY into Israel, rather than try to reach an agreement. aside from that, they run guns via Egypt.

I can only image how much is would suck to have a normal day in Israel, come home from school, crack open a beer, sit down on the couch, and have a human sized rocket roar through you wall. Israel has a right to defend themselves against aggressors who don't consider them as a real nation, but they need better diplomats.

If you want to see why Palestinians hates Israel, watch "Munich." It's give a pretty straight general idea.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-8Ik27_6Uw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DaL_P3en26Y


Overall it's a very gray situation, to side with either Palestine or Israel is being unfair and bigoted.

metalmania
02-05-2009, 12:52 PM
Both sides are wrong. Israel needs to understand that they are not welcomed where they are, and if they want a good response, they had better work with their neighbors, and allow Palestinians to live in Israel. Palestine is a damaged, extremist nation who does not use diplomatic efforts, it just fires these: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-lGwyySrwY into Israel, rather than try to reach an agreement. aside from that, they run guns via Egypt.

I can only image how much is would suck to have a normal day in Israel, come home from school, crack open a beer, sit down on the couch, and have a human sized rocket roar through you wall. Israel has a right to defend themselves against aggressors who don't consider them as a real nation, but they need better diplomats.

If you want to see why Palestinians hates Israel, watch "Munich." It's give a pretty straight general idea.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-8Ik27_6Uw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DaL_P3en26Y


Overall it's a very gray situation, to side with either Palestine or Israel is being unfair and bigoted.
wow so we can learn the history by movies?? oh my poor human!ok so tell me the history of middleeast!tell me the story of promotional of israel!did you look at the maps in 1940's?so tell me the story of palestine?tell me their folks?and what do you know about middleeast?do you know the history of old empires in middleeast?tell me 'em all please!;) so we can talk about this subject!

Hypno Toad
02-05-2009, 09:20 PM
wow so we can learn the history by movies?? oh my poor human!ok so tell me the history of middleeast!tell me the story of promotional of israel!did you look at the maps in 1940's?so tell me the story of palestine?tell me their folks?and what do you know about middleeast?do you know the history of old empires in middleeast?tell me 'em all please!;) so we can talk about this subject!

Actually, the movie is a copy of the book that was told by a Mossad agent soon after about his experiences in the operation. Nice job embarrassing yourself, though.


http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/2576/nbcthemoreyouknowwb3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)


I didn't say shit about empires, did I. I doubt many Palestinian teenagers that fire rockets across the boarder care about that anymore, they are more concerned with recent problems that spawned after previous problems and conflicts.

Put simply (minues the 10 page essay on israeli history) Palestinians and other neighboring countries do not view Israel as legit, independent country. They see them as an aggressor state that is pushing them into a corner.

Offtopic: The movie wasn't nominated for oodles of awards because it was an action packed hollywood movie. despite having some fiction aspects to it, it stayed true to the book for the most part, and is an accurate depiction of the situation.

IamSam
02-05-2009, 11:49 PM
Toad: Don't bother arguing with him.

metalmania
02-08-2009, 10:02 AM
Actually, the movie is a copy of the book that was told by a Mossad agent soon after about his experiences in the operation. Nice job embarrassing yourself, though.


http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/2576/nbcthemoreyouknowwb3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)


I didn't say shit about empires, did I. I doubt many Palestinian teenagers that fire rockets across the boarder care about that anymore, they are more concerned with recent problems that spawned after previous problems and conflicts.

Put simply (minues the 10 page essay on israeli history) Palestinians and other neighboring countries do not view Israel as legit, independent country. They see them as an aggressor state that is pushing them into a corner.

Offtopic: The movie wasn't nominated for oodles of awards because it was an action packed hollywood movie. despite having some fiction aspects to it, it stayed true to the book for the most part, and is an accurate depiction of the situation.
ok dude, i ment:israel or palestin problem is not an easy problem.so its the middleeast problem,and if you know the history of middleeast ;you can understand everything about this place and i see that you were talking about that movie ;) ok i understood now.
and a little note for uncle sam:hey you re still same - tragic and liar ;)

metalmania
03-06-2009, 05:36 PM
HM everybody is talking about palestne,israel,hamas and other organizations so i have to ask this question:whats the middleeast?what do you know about nili,irgun organizations??what's your information about this place?(except tv news,newspapers?)

chicapowerpunk
03-06-2009, 05:57 PM
It's good, because there are innocent people who are dying.
After all, civilians always pay because of a terrorist organization.

metalmania
03-20-2009, 07:57 PM
did you read the last explanations of israel soldiers?

MAXTER
03-20-2009, 08:14 PM
peace, no war

metalmania
03-20-2009, 08:17 PM
yeah maxter you reirght but its so hard in middleeast!

renato piquette
03-21-2009, 09:30 AM
is there any difference between any of them?i dislike both,killing themselves just because of religious crap,lol,i´d like them to discover once that their fucking "gods" don´t even exist

Hypno Toad
03-21-2009, 06:18 PM
what a stupid poll. Where's the "Who gives a fuck, they are both wrong!?" option?

chicapowerpunk
03-21-2009, 06:22 PM
what a stupid poll. Where's the "Who gives a fuck, they are both wrong!?" option?

vientos chico.....:D

metalmania
03-23-2009, 11:48 AM
wow goodmorning dude,i asked this question so and whats the goal of this poll?and i say again:if you ren't living in middleeast;how can you know the allrealities?maybe you can just learn somethings on your monopolist media(not 'em all) and i guess allnews arent right about this subject!censorship is everywhere!

Al Coholic
03-24-2009, 12:17 AM
wow goodmorning dude,i asked this question so and whats the goal of this poll?and i say again:if you ren't living in middleeast;how can you know the allrealities?maybe you can just learn somethings on your monopolist media(not 'em all) and i guess allnews arent right about this subject!censorship is everywhere!

So what part of the middle east are you in?

ad8
03-24-2009, 08:44 AM
But isn't the middle of Russia the middle east?:rolleyes:

renato piquette
03-24-2009, 10:55 PM
wow goodmorning dude,i asked this question so and whats the goal of this poll?and i say again:if you ren't living in middleeast;how can you know the allrealities?maybe you can just learn somethings on your monopolist media(not 'em all) and i guess allnews arent right about this subject!censorship is everywhere!

this guy´s a dumbass

metalmania
03-25-2009, 09:13 AM
this guy´s a dumbass
wow,i have i fan again hehe anyway this is nothing

But isn't the middle of Russia the middle east?(ad8)

and im not from russia ,i say again but i really worry about it: when a guy talks different things why do you think:he is from russia?" and nevermind me,lets talk about this subject if you have any idea

renato piquette
03-25-2009, 09:44 PM
wow,i have i fan again



no,you don´t,i can never be a fan of some 14 years old fag who thinks he knows about politics and is sailing with an anarchy flag

metalmania
03-26-2009, 02:37 PM
no,you don´t,i can never be a fan of some 14 years old fag who thinks he knows about politics and is sailing with an anarchy flag
pofff!ok dude ok,you re the best anarchist on this earth.this thread is not about me.its about palestine and israel.cant you see?so tell your ideas or go to -metalmania thread- but i guess this thread closed ,im sorry.heh

IamSam
03-26-2009, 02:40 PM
I like the black and white contrast of this. No gray.

And by saying that I'm being horribly sarcastic.

metalmania
03-26-2009, 02:53 PM
I like the black and white contrast of this. No gray.

And by saying that I'm being horribly sarcastic.
so let the show begin!heh

IamSam
03-26-2009, 03:02 PM
There is no show. Just pointing out that there is a complete alienation of a specific school of thought.

metalmania
03-26-2009, 03:09 PM
it was just an idiom anyway its ok.what can i say?its your contrast way and dont forget :this war is not religius; maybe it can be just spectre of their strategies.but real reason is more power,more place and more watersprings and more authority.i must go now.goodbye

renato piquette
03-26-2009, 04:23 PM
pofff!ok dude ok,you re the best anarchist on this earth.this thread is not about me.its about palestine and israel.cant you see?so tell your ideas or go to -metalmania thread- but i guess this thread closed ,im sorry.heh

i´m not a fucking anarchist

chicapowerpunk
03-26-2009, 04:57 PM
:D this is funny

metalmania
03-28-2009, 03:41 PM
i´m not a fucking anarchist
poff!im sorry but you re just nothin' 'cause you have not a solution and i see that you dont know anything about this subject1people re still dying !cant you see????

renato piquette
03-28-2009, 05:19 PM
poff!im sorry but you re just nothin' 'cause you have not a solution and i see that you dont know anything about this subject1people re still dying !cant you see????

what the fuck are you talkni about??!!solution for what?people dying??dying for what????and i said "i`m not a fucking anarchist",i didn`t say "i`m a president",solution for what?man,stop doing crack,it`s really messing with your brain

metalmania
03-28-2009, 05:27 PM
what the fuck are you talkni about??!!solution for what?people dying??dying for what????and i said "i`m not a fucking anarchist",i didn`t say "i`m a president",solution for what?man,stop doing crack,it`s really messing with your brain
hehe thanx renato pinochet! you did show yourself!its enough!go your way!thank you again.palestine and israel folks re indebted a thank for your perfect explanation!

renato piquette
03-28-2009, 05:36 PM
hehe thanx renato pinochet! you did show yourself!its enough!go your way!thank you again.palestine and israel folks re indebted a thank for your perfect explanation!

quit acting like a politics snob,you know shit about it,i don`t know a shit about politics either,but i`m not talking like i do,i never tried to prove anything,maybe i just tried to prove that you`re an ignorant twat,i didn`t prove it,but you did

metalmania
03-28-2009, 05:39 PM
quit acting like a politics snob,you know shit about it,i don`t know a shit about politics either,but i`m not talking like i do,i never tried to prove anything,maybe i just tried to prove that you`re an ignorant twat,i didn`t prove it,but you did
thank you,thank you,we wanna see you again!you have a perfect politic brain!we bow you!

renato piquette
03-28-2009, 05:44 PM
thank you,thank you,we wanna see you again!you have a perfect politic brain!we bow you!

at least read the posts you`re quoting,i said "i don`t know a shit about politics",so quit that politic brain shit,and you`re not making me run,you think you`re the shit here,but you`re a noob,also this:
-don`t fucking ever mess with my name
-don`t fucking ever post on my profile

chicapowerpunk
03-28-2009, 05:47 PM
Well everything is in its form of government, the interests of the government, not state........:eek:

metalmania
03-28-2009, 06:04 PM
im stoping my writings for 2000 deAths

chicapowerpunk
03-28-2009, 06:07 PM
im stoping my writings for 2000 deAths

óraleee.......;)

metalmania
03-28-2009, 06:38 PM
óraleee.......;)
huh?what does it mean?

chicapowerpunk
03-28-2009, 06:41 PM
huh?what does it mean?

mean that is crazy..............:p

metalmania
03-28-2009, 07:01 PM
mean that is crazy..............:p
2000 deaths re for the wink???

chicapowerpunk
03-28-2009, 07:19 PM
2000 deaths re for the wink???

what does it means?...............:p

metalmania
03-28-2009, 07:20 PM
you dont undestand it so go!

zsk
04-12-2009, 03:07 PM
they shouldn't allow egyp to sell weapons to palestine...so there would be no war

Al Coholic
04-15-2009, 03:50 PM
http://www.nsneakers.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/102156mc3.jpg

Maria Cortez
05-09-2009, 07:26 PM
what about both are terrible and cannot be justified??

110% agreed with ya. Kudos.