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Al Coholic
01-16-2009, 09:18 PM
And why do you feel this way?

EDIT: I don't count Grover twice.

jacknife737
01-17-2009, 02:24 AM
I have trouble with the notion of these types of historical rankings, since, it’s always so subjective. If I had to vote for one, I selected Lincoln; he oversaw America through its greatest hardship. He did what he had to do; it wasn't clean, it wasn't neat, it certainly wasn't bloodless, but it was efficient; he quite literally saved the union.

And strictly for personal interest, (and a definite 20th Century bias here), here are five others, who I admire for their leadership, policies, or general influence during their tenures;

Wilson
FDR
Truman
Monroe
T. Roosevelt (the dude was a total badass)

wheelchairman
01-17-2009, 03:34 AM
Lord Palmerston!

DexterWannabe
01-17-2009, 03:37 AM
George W Bush! The Man Who Had The Balls To Do The Job!

Satanic_Surfer
01-17-2009, 04:00 AM
Jimmy Carter. The only american president since WW2 who has not started a war. Admit that it's gotta be pretty fucking bragable? That, and he worked actively for peace between israelis and palestinians. And he generally seems like a nice guy. He doesnt have an evil smile like most politicans. :)

Duskygrin
01-17-2009, 04:18 AM
Abe Lincoln.

The reasons are obvious, he took it upon himself to save the country, and there's now a consensus about his being "a benevolent dictator".

Slim Pickens The Bomb Rider
01-17-2009, 04:29 AM
George W Bush! The Man Who Had The Balls To Do The Job!

What are you? Like 10 years old or what? George W Bush, is maybe the worst president the USA had. He made major mistakes and now Obama can clean up his mess

Satanic_Surfer
01-17-2009, 04:30 AM
What are you? Like 10 years old or what?
Heh... sometimes you dont know how close to the truth you are. :D

DexterWannabe
01-17-2009, 06:16 AM
Asking me, Bush kept America safe and protected your ass from arabs and terrorists. He liberated the iraqi people and brought freedom to Iraq and Afghanistan. He striked back at Bin Ladin and Al-qaida and placed those pussys on Guantanamo.
Duh.

Duskygrin
01-17-2009, 06:19 AM
I though Guantanamo wasn't the pride of Americans?

DexterWannabe
01-17-2009, 06:21 AM
It isn't something proud. But it is neccesary.

Duskygrin
01-17-2009, 06:23 AM
I'll own I didn't follow every American issue out there, but I did read the conditions of incarceration were appalling, demeaning, atrocious and unspeakable.

With photographs to corroborate the comments.

DexterWannabe
01-17-2009, 06:26 AM
SO you think we should just let all terrorist keep bombing our homes?
How nice of you.

Duskygrin
01-17-2009, 06:49 AM
But isn't Guantanamo the place where horrors happened?

Satanic_Surfer
01-17-2009, 06:55 AM
Iraq, Afghanistan, Bin Laden and Al Quaida aint exactly objects of american pride either.

No terrorists has bombed american soil. Here's some simple math: You bomb one terrorist and his friends will pick up his struggle, you bomb them and their friends will pick up their struggle. Multiply it for each killed terrorist and you have an uncontrollable situation.

Desperate people do desperate things. So you rather not be the cause of desperation.

Duskygrin
01-17-2009, 06:57 AM
Unless you're pressured by oil lobbies.

Oil should really be a thing of the past, why is it we still pollute the air with gas-guzzlers is beyond me. Shameful.

Slim Pickens The Bomb Rider
01-17-2009, 07:16 AM
Unless you're pressured by oil lobbies.

Oil should really be a thing of the past, why is it we still pollute the air with gas-guzzlers is beyond me. Shameful.

Because the oil companies buy al the plans for alternative energie, they have the money for it. The inventors of alternative energie who sell their inventions, have big dollar signs in their eyes. It's all about the money

Duskygrin
01-17-2009, 07:31 AM
I wish it weren't, sometimes.

DexterWannabe
01-17-2009, 07:34 AM
No terrorists has bombed american soil..

Ever heard of 9/11, fucktard?

Duskygrin
01-17-2009, 07:35 AM
This is gonna be good. *claps then rubs hands energetically*

DexterWannabe
01-17-2009, 07:39 AM
Duskygrin like to watch people be supressed.
*slaps a liberal in the face*

No president has ever faced such challenges as Bush. He protected the free world.

Satanic_Surfer
01-17-2009, 07:40 AM
Ever heard of 9/11, fucktard?
Yeah... but i cant remember anything about a bomb?
...and then they went to Iraq. Kinda lika when Colombus went to "India"!
There must've been a mix up with the maps somewhere.

(Seriöst, skäms du inte?)

Al Coholic
01-17-2009, 07:43 AM
Asking me, Bush kept America safe and protected your ass from arabs and terrorists. He liberated the iraqi people and brought freedom to Iraq and Afghanistan. He striked back at Bin Ladin and Al-qaida and placed those pussys on Guantanamo.
Duh.

Actually, 9/11 occured on his watch. But by your standards, a guy like Reagan kept us safe from terrorists for 8 years, and kept the cold war cold. You should be all over old Ron.

I knew this was going to turn into something Bush related. Or people voting for Bush ironically. If you really want to be ironic, vote Garfield or Harding.

DexterWannabe
01-17-2009, 08:11 AM
Actually, 9/11 occured on his watch. But by your standards, a guy like Reagan kept us safe from terrorists for 8 years, and kept the cold war cold. You should be all over old Ron.

I knew this was going to turn into something Bush related. Or people voting for Bush ironically. If you really want to be ironic, vote Garfield or Harding.

Everybody with a brain knows that terrorism started in 90's. When they blew WTC 1993. And how Clinton ignored the intellegences about middle eastern terrorists gaining power.

Al Coholic
01-17-2009, 08:20 AM
Yeah I like sarcasm too. Makes me feel witty and funny and stuff...

DexterWannabe
01-17-2009, 08:21 AM
Obama will send even more troops to Afghanistan, duh.

Al Coholic
01-17-2009, 08:23 AM
But when properly done, its supposed to be funny.

wheelchairman
01-17-2009, 08:46 AM
Actually DexterWannabe, As far as I know, terrorism existed well before the 1990. The start of what many considered the beginning of modern terrorism I believe was the hijacking of TWA Flight 840,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TWA_Flight_840_(1969)

But I might be wrong, other commentators say it was the Münich olympic games
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Munich_massacre

I'm sure that other forms of terrorism existed long before then as well, used by anarchists and communist groups. One socialist group I believe shot the Czar in 1880.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_II_of_Russia#Assassination

And this was just one aspect where you are dead wrong.

Duskygrin
01-17-2009, 08:48 AM
Nonono it's not as simple. I attended this lecture when they talked about ancient forms of terrorism from the 18th C onwards, but I couldn't help thinking there was a drastic difference. Call it globalisation and WMD, if you will.

wheelchairman
01-17-2009, 08:54 AM
Well when a terrorist uses a nuclear bomb, I'll include it.

That however is also why I differentiated between the late 1960's terrorism and the 19th century terrorism, because a world media suddenly gave terrorism the publicity aspect.

DexterWannabe
01-17-2009, 09:37 AM
So, SS, you say it is a difference wether a terrorist uses a bomb or a plane? A Plane filled with civilians is not as wrong as a bomb? You're confusing me.

jugges22
01-17-2009, 10:07 AM
Obama will send even more troops to Afghanistan, duh.

... and he's also keeping Robert Gates as Secretary of Defense.

I mean, this is absolutely hilarious. What are your thoughts on this? Are you liberals pleased with president-elect Obamas pick for Secretary of Defense?

Al Coholic
01-17-2009, 10:25 AM
... and he's also keeping Robert Gates as Secretary of Defense.

I mean, this is absolutely hilarious. What are your thoughts on this? Are you liberals pleased with president-elect Obamas pick for Secretary of Defense?

Well, we still are at war. We already had to change horses midstream. Atleast we don't have to break in a new saddle.

Though this has quickly gone to a debate about the Iraq war and the Bush presidency. Not my intention...

DexterWannabe
01-17-2009, 11:47 AM
So you say, that Bush was right?

jacknife737
01-17-2009, 11:53 AM
... and he's also keeping Robert Gates as Secretary of Defense.

I mean, this is absolutely hilarious. What are your thoughts on this? Are you liberals pleased with president-elect Obamas pick for Secretary of Defense?

Robert Gates is a registered independent, and hardly a "Bush crony", as some commentators make him out to be. He is also responsible, for the relative stability of Iraq, since he become Sec Def a couple years ago. Quite frankly, he's probably the best person for the job at the moment.


Jimmy Carter. The only american president since WW2 who has not started a war. Admit that it's gotta be pretty fucking bragable? That, and he worked actively for peace between israelis and palestinians. And he generally seems like a nice guy. He doesnt have an evil smile like most politicans. :)

Jimmy Carter may not have started an "official" war, but his hand's aren't exactly bloodless. Ever heard of Operation Cyclone?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Cyclone

I am also, shocked and appalled at Taft's lack of recognition. Shocked AND appalled.

http://pdnedu.blogs.com/photos/uncategorized/2007/08/23/taft_2.jpg

Satanic_Surfer
01-17-2009, 01:31 PM
So, SS, you say it is a difference wether a terrorist uses a bomb or a plane? A Plane filled with civilians is not as wrong as a bomb? You're confusing me.
A lie is a lie is a lie...

And what did it have to do with Saddam Hussein's Iraq?
Sure, Iraq didnt have a civil war and 300.000 civilians hadnt been killed.
Great american progress. Idiots shouldnt do shit.

metalmania
01-17-2009, 01:36 PM
i guess ; you choose the best capitalist president of the world :D

Slim Pickens The Bomb Rider
01-18-2009, 02:19 AM
Ever heard of 9/11, fucktard?

It was all a setup, but everybody is kept dumb about it

wheelchairman
01-18-2009, 03:01 AM
Everyone named Dexter who isn't Dexter seems to be a retard.

Superdope
01-18-2009, 03:52 AM
Teddy Roosevelt. If his past as a hunter in the badlands wasn't enough, the man got shot during a speech and kept on going for 90 minutes, remarking that "It would take more than that to kill a bull moose", while bleeding all over the place.

Also, he was the first president to study judo.

Fucking A.

Paint_It_Black
01-18-2009, 03:53 AM
Everyone named Dexter who isn't Dexter seems to be a retard.

Probably because the real Dexter isn't really a Dexter.


Abe Lincoln.

The reasons are obvious

The hat, right?


Asking me, Bush kept America safe and protected your ass from arabs and terrorists.

I hate needless repetition. I really do. I hate it.


Ever heard of 9/11, fucktard?

On 9/11 the terrorists flew the planes into buildings. Technically there were no bombs. And technically the soil wasn't attacked either. Well, that one plane crashed in the soil, but that's because the passengers tried to retake the plane. So technically the American passengers bombed the US soil. Except, uh, still no bombs.

There are many more examples than just 9/11, you know that, right?



No president has ever faced such challenges as Bush. He protected the free world.

This is a parody, right? You can't be saying all these things and really mean them, right? You're going to turn out to be merely joking and make me look silly for responding, right? Please?


Everybody with a brain knows that terrorism started in 90's.

Even if you're only talking about the US you're still retarded. I can think of terrorism in the states as early as 1773. Or, um, colonies. Whatever.

Paint_It_Black
01-18-2009, 04:38 AM
Make a thread calling him an asshole. That will make him do it.

0r4ng3
01-18-2009, 04:55 AM
My vote goes to Washington.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sbRom1Rz8OA&feature=channel_page

zsk
01-18-2009, 05:27 AM
ik bin ein frankforder

Alex101
01-18-2009, 10:00 AM
To me, it's Ronald Reagan! I voted him.

Cock Joke
01-18-2009, 10:08 AM
I picked Zack Taylor because he's obscure and that's always funny.

DexterWannabe
01-19-2009, 01:04 PM
How can you vote Bill Clinton? The man failed at invading Somalia! It's country made up of a bunch black gay pirates!

denialrevisited666
01-19-2009, 01:39 PM
bush is the genius of the world with the spreading intelligence of ...yeah i won't say it and nigeria is our most important export CONTINENT! yeah, that ???man??? rulez

Al Coholic
01-19-2009, 02:03 PM
Its funny that someone can write in such poor English that you're essentially reading complete jiberish. But I see "Bush" and exclamation marks, so I know whatever they intended to say was some overstate-the-obvious criticism I've already heard a thousand times. I'm going to be really glad when Obama takes office that this shit will go away, atleast for a few months.

adombomb222
01-19-2009, 04:27 PM
FDR. Hands down.

Moose
01-19-2009, 09:34 PM
Jimmy Carter. The only american president since WW2 who has not started a war. Admit that it's gotta be pretty fucking bragable? That, and he worked actively for peace between israelis and palestinians. And he generally seems like a nice guy. He doesnt have an evil smile like most politicans. :)

sigh...


...

IamSam
01-19-2009, 09:48 PM
Jimmy Carter. The only american president since WW2 who has not started a war. Admit that it's gotta be pretty fucking bragable? That, and he worked actively for peace between israelis and palestinians. And he generally seems like a nice guy. He doesnt have an evil smile like most politicans.

Really? Really now? Ever heard of Operation Cyclone? He helped violence there, and true, he didn't start the war, but at the same time he took a fight to another country.

That_Guy91
01-19-2009, 10:52 PM
Torn between Washington and FDR. Not a Lincoln fan.

Also, I didn't think that even the dumbest conservatives could possibly call Bush the best, even if they liked him.

Thomas
01-20-2009, 12:02 AM
Barack Obama. Duh.

darea
01-20-2009, 01:41 AM
Barack Obama. Duh.

Yeah! And he did it on purpose to not put him on the list!:mad:

denialrevisited666
01-20-2009, 03:17 AM
Its funny that someone can write in such poor English that you're essentially reading complete jiberish. But I see "Bush" and exclamation marks, so I know whatever they intended to say was some overstate-the-obvious criticism I've already heard a thousand times. I'm going to be really glad when Obama takes office that this shit will go away, atleast for a few months.

interrogation marks, or questions marks...If you meant my comment! anyway thanks for the critics, and yeah it was definately very sarcastic what I said! I would never say anything bad about anyone...:D That would't be polite...

Al Coholic
01-24-2009, 11:49 AM
Torn between Washington and FDR. Not a Lincoln fan.

Also, I didn't think that even the dumbest conservatives could possibly call Bush the best, even if they liked him.

4 votes for GWB and not a single for Eisenhower....

David123456789
02-01-2009, 08:37 AM
Asking me, Bush kept America safe and protected your ass from arabs and terrorists. He liberated the iraqi people and brought freedom to Iraq and Afghanistan. He striked back at Bin Ladin and Al-qaida and placed those pussys on Guantanamo.
Duh.

You sir, are a sick person sir

calling Arabs Terrorists is the same as call all Germans Nazies.

He didn't liberated the people he did attack them for oil

What are the troops still doing in Iraq right now?

Only the mission in Afganistan goes about Liberation and that's a mission of like 20 countries not only USA.

Rooster
02-01-2009, 09:13 AM
Oh come on you BushWannabee, say you're being sarcastic. For the love of god say it. Because i hardly believe anyone would seriously think like that.

Well, i don't have a favorite American president. But Bush is certainly not a candidate for it. Maybe Obama will become my favorite, but i think it's too early to tell now (i think this is also one of the reason he is not included in the poll, the second being that he wasn't the president when this poll was created yet), although i approve some of his decisions already.

I'll still miss that guy (Bush) though. I mean, how many of you can make a face like this:

http://z.about.com/d/politicalhumor/1/0/I/O/bush_monkey.jpg

Al Coholic
02-01-2009, 09:15 AM
It looks like he's saying the "ror" part in "terror"

David123456789...why Van Buren?

jacknife737
02-01-2009, 12:17 PM
@ DexterWannabe

http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g178/jacknife737/trolll-1.jpg

Rooster
02-01-2009, 12:21 PM
@ DexterWannabe

*picture*

I think i might have something better fot him:

the troll song (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T22unETejo4)

Rutegard
02-01-2009, 12:24 PM
i voted for clinton (though im not american - but id love to have a president like clinton)

let's see how obama goes..

David123456789
02-02-2009, 06:01 AM
It looks like he's saying the "ror" part in "terror"

David123456789...why Van Buren?

He was the first American president that wasn't British. I don't know much about presidents anyway in the us.. I think Roosevelt was also good in ww2 or Kennedy because he did tried to free the usa.

wheelchairman
02-02-2009, 11:10 AM
He was the first American president that wasn't British.

What? Maybe you mean like of anglo-saxon descent?

IamSam
02-02-2009, 11:26 AM
Taft. The man got stuck in a White House tub.

0r4ng3
02-02-2009, 12:18 PM
http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/america.png
"The younger folk in the audience think this is a joke."

Rooster
02-02-2009, 12:49 PM
Taft. The man got stuck in a White House tub.


*picture*
"The younger folk in the audience think this is a joke."

"Only in America!" *Don King impersonation*

No offence meant.

Superdope
02-02-2009, 01:07 PM
Andrew Jackson should also get props for dealing with a guy trying to assassinate him.

By dealing with him, I mean beating the crap out of him with his cane.

Rooster
02-02-2009, 05:07 PM
I was always saying that rabbits are extremely dangerous and agressive beasts. Especially the water rabbits. Carter is now the first man, who ever survived the attack of a water rabbit, that i know of. Actually he's the only one ever to be attacked by a water rabbit, as far as i know...

iWish
02-10-2009, 10:36 PM
I Voted Jimmy Carter

Offspring-Junkie
02-13-2009, 08:36 AM
Asking me, Bush kept America safe and protected your ass from arabs and terrorists. He liberated the iraqi people and brought freedom to Iraq and Afghanistan. He striked back at Bin Ladin and Al-qaida and placed those pussys on Guantanamo.
Duh.

Of course. How could anyone think anything else. That's not chaos, it's peace and freedom.

metalmania
02-13-2009, 03:44 PM
hehe who is the best manager of the corporate of north america ?;)

IamSam
02-13-2009, 04:13 PM
hehe who is the best manager of the corporate of north america ?;)

Kenneth Lay.

metalmania
02-13-2009, 04:16 PM
wow uncle sam is talking again

Hypno Toad
02-13-2009, 04:54 PM
Godamnit, nobody else voted for Woodrow Wilson?

The guy pretty much formed the UN.

metalmania
02-13-2009, 04:57 PM
Godamnit, nobody else voted for Woodrow Wilson?

The guy pretty much formed the UN.
hm maybe you dont know dude but i say you:U.N. is a big lie now.this unity finished its mission!im sorry,you did learn this reality from me but what can i do?:D

IamSam
02-13-2009, 08:28 PM
Godamnit, nobody else voted for Woodrow Wilson?

The guy pretty much formed the UN.

Except the guy was a segregationist, invading tool.


Under Wilson, the United States intervened in Latin America more often than at any other time in our history. We landed troops in Mexico in 1914, Haiti in 1915, the Dominican Republic in 1916, Mexico again in 1916 (and 9 more times before the end of his presidency), Cuba in 1917, and Panama in 1918. In 1917 Wilson took on a major power when he started sending secret monetary aid to the "White" side of the Russian civil war...1918 he authorized a naval blockade of the Soviet Union and sent expeditionary forces to Murmansk, Archangel, and Vladivostock to help overthrow the Russian Revolution.

Outerspaceman21
02-13-2009, 08:31 PM
I'm a fan of Lincoln. He had a sexy beard

Hypno Toad
02-13-2009, 08:38 PM
Except the guy was a segregationist, invading tool.

Who wasn't at the time, it was the culture standard.

IamSam
02-13-2009, 08:49 PM
Who wasn't at the time, it was the culture standard.

Condoning activity because it was a cultural standard is, to be brutally honest, stupid. You wouldn't condone the (Godwin's Law) Holocaust would you? That was a cultural standard beyond cultural standards.


At home, Wilson's racial policies disgraced the office he held. His Republican predecessors had routinely appointed blacks to important offices, including those of port collector for New Orleans and the District of Columbia and register of the treasury. [He] changed all that...He was an outspoken white supremacist-his wife was even worse...

His administration submitted a legislative program intended to curtail the civil rights of African Americans, but Congress would not pass it. Unfazed, Wilson used his power as chief executive to segregate the federal government. He appointed southern whites to offices traditionally reserved for blacks. Wilson personally vetoed a clause on racial equality in the Covenant of the League of Nations. Wilson's legacy was extensive: He effectively closed the Democratic Party to African Americans for another two decades.

So there you have it.

metalmania
02-24-2009, 01:25 PM
i vote for Kennedy!he was good but that deatly tragedy and johnson's actions were so bad!

Al Coholic
02-25-2009, 06:49 AM
So they say Obama is the 44th president. Why do we count Clevland twice? Where in the constitution is it written that if you have two terms that are nonconsecutive, you're counted as two people?

IamSam
02-25-2009, 09:09 PM
So they say Obama is the 44th president. Why do we count Clevland twice? Where in the constitution is it written that if you have two terms that are nonconsecutive, you're counted as two people?

Well a count of people can't really go "22, 23, 22, 24" now can it?

Al Coholic
02-25-2009, 10:15 PM
I'd say so, that sort of goes along with the whole nonconseutive thing. But old Grover is not two different people. It's like in cartoons where they'd do some kind of voting, and the guy at the beginning of the line would hustle to then end to be counted twice.

jacknife737
02-25-2009, 10:29 PM
I'd say so, that sort of goes along with the whole nonconseutive thing. But old Grover is not two different people. It's like in cartoons where they'd do some kind of voting, and the guy at the beginning of the line would hustle to then end to be counted twice.

Two separate administrations though.

Al Coholic
02-27-2009, 12:41 AM
But not two seperate presidents. Its the same guy, he just got counted, moved over one spot in the line, and got counted a second time. Ridiculous.

We've had many a president go two terms. Shit, FDR did three.

jacknife737
02-27-2009, 12:50 AM
Yeah, but all of those presidencies held their terms consecutively.

RyanSabotage
02-27-2009, 01:57 AM
fat mike 4 prez

Jules69
02-27-2009, 07:24 AM
Jfk!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Al Coholic
02-27-2009, 10:54 AM
Yeah, but all of those presidency held their terms consecutively.

So lets say you're a pizza company and you want to sponsor the TMNT. As part of the deal they'll get free pizza. When counting how many Teengae Mutant Ninja Turtles there are, the order was:

Michaelangelo, Donatello, Raphael, and Leonardo

But to get double the pizza, after he's counted ol Mike jumps to the end of the line, so that the stoner pizza man counts off:

"Michaelangelo, Donatello, Raphael, Leonardo, Michaelangelo. Allright you guys, five free boxes of pizza comin up!"

Al Coholic
03-01-2009, 09:06 AM
^Yeah, days pass and nobody's got shit to say, do they? I guess I was right.

IamSam
03-01-2009, 11:51 AM
Actually Al, no I just forgot about this discussion.

Ordering pizza and ordering Presidential administrations are two entirely different things. I can tell that arguing this with you though is futile as you already seem to have your mind made up.

ninthz
03-01-2009, 05:25 PM
Or people voting for Bush ironically.
I did this IRL. IRL TROLL IS IRL.


If you really want to be ironic, vote Garfield or Harding.
I went the low road and voted for William Howard Taft.

barangatang
03-01-2009, 05:34 PM
John Adams on mamas.

Al Coholic
03-03-2009, 10:49 PM
a Lincoln fan....Also, I didn't think

I guess you've been doin some Abraham Thinkin.

Get it? I came up with that one in the car and wanted to use it somewhere before I forgot it.

Hypno Toad
03-04-2009, 09:36 PM
Who the hell voted regan? Dirty neocon he was. Why are you even on these forums?

Hypno Toad
03-04-2009, 09:42 PM
Condoning activity because it was a cultural standard is, to be brutally honest, stupid.

That has nothing to do with anything. You can't hold segregation against the people at the time and assume it made them bad people, they grew up that way as children, and when so0embody learns something as a child, it becomes second nature. I would say your post is stupid. You basically condemned almost everybody in the US at the time because of a cultural standard. I don't give a fuck if it was bad or not, because it is beside my original point.

It's like saying Teddy Roosevelt was a bad president because he didn't give women voting rights.

Al Coholic
03-04-2009, 09:45 PM
Reagan's been mythicised as the second coming of Jesus by conservatives. Not sure why, but he's literally untouchable with them. And they'll probably do it again when George H.W. Bush kicks off.

IamSam
03-04-2009, 09:59 PM
That has nothing to do with anything. You can't hold segregation against the people at the time and assume it made them bad people, they grew up that way as children, and when so0embody learns something as a child, it becomes second nature. I would say your post is stupid. You basically condemned almost everybody in the US at the time because of a cultural standard. I don't give a fuck if it was bad or not, because it is beside my original point.

It's like saying Teddy Roosevelt was a bad president because he didn't give women voting rights.

If you're going to measure somebody based on their actions then you need to measure them on all their actions. Don't make excuses for individuals based upon their life experiences. On a personal level it would be like saying it was ok for me to beat my future wife because that's what I grew up seeing in a home where my father beat my mother quite often.

My post was not stupid due to me providing factual evidence to support my opinion. If you want me to next bust out Godwin's Law I can do that for you as well.

Al Coholic
03-04-2009, 10:39 PM
Actually your analogy doesn't hold as wife-beating is not a cultural standard. I'm with Hypno on this one, while deplorable, racism was the norm back then. Go back to the founding of this country and every one of the signers of the Declaration of Independance was a despickable racist by today's standards. It was such a cultural standard that even the Blacks were taught, and many believed, that they were lesser beings. It doesn't mean you condone such behavior, it means that ingorance can be excusable to some degree.

IamSam
03-04-2009, 10:47 PM
Actually your analogy doesn't hold as wife-beating is not a cultural standard. I'm with Hypno on this one, while deplorable, racism was the norm back then. Go back to the founding of this country and every one of the signers of the Declaration of Independance was a despickable racist by today's standards. It was such a cultural standard that even the Blacks were taught, and many believed, that they were lesser beings. It doesn't mean you condone such behavior, it means that ingorance can be excusable to some degree.

True. Stated as you did it does make sense, however I am still saying that Wilson should not be close to a pick as the best president. Sure, a norm was a norm, but it had been a norm to place African-Americans in certain positions until Wilson obliterated that. That's why I used that as an analogy: That was a norm to me for a large portion of my life. Obviously I know better know, as Wilson should have known better at the turn of the century after much turmoil and changes made to correct issues of racism. Remember, Wilson was not only a segregationist, but also a huge white supremest.

Al Coholic
03-04-2009, 10:59 PM
Yeah I can agree on your specific example, I was more refuting the "Condoning activity because it was a cultural standard is, to be brutally honest, stupid."

By the way, you're yet to solidly refute my Ninja Turtles argument.

Hypno Toad
03-05-2009, 10:58 PM
Woodrow Wilson was an idealist at the time which was refreshing, he basically formed the united nations (league of nations at the time), and he was one of the few people who didn't want to hammer Germany into the ground at the treaty of Versailles. If he had gotten his way, WW2 probably would not have happened. Unfortunately he didn't accomplish much at the time, because nobody supported his views. I mostly picked him out of modesty, because he is the forgot chapter from WW1.

Besides, in 1917 no American presidential candidate would have been a non-segregationist or believe that blacks had rights (as bad as that is), so I don't even get why you really brought up the argument and your logic behind that baffles me, to be honest. Yes, segragation is bad, yes, it's bad that they supported it at the time, but since almost everybody supported it, it doesn't make a whole lot of sense to single out one of the 35 or so presidents (as well as one of the 100s of millions of Americans at the time) that supported segregation.

IamSam
03-05-2009, 11:09 PM
Woodrow Wilson was an idealist at the time which was refreshing, he basically formed the united nations (league of nations at the time), and he was one of the few people who didn't want to hammer Germany into the ground at the treaty of Versailles. If he had gotten his way, WW2 probably would not have happened. Unfortunately he didn't accomplish much at the time, because nobody supported his views. I mostly picked him out of modesty, because he is the forgot chapter from WW1.

Besides, in 1917 no American presidential candidate would have been a non-segregationist or believe that blacks had rights (as bad as that is), so I don't even get why you really brought up the argument and your logic behind that baffles me, to be honest. Yes, segragation is bad, yes, it's bad that they supported it at the time, but since almost everybody supported it, it doesn't make a whole lot of sense to single out one of the 35 or so presidents (as well as one of the 100s of millions of Americans at the time) that supported segregation.



This is for the 'best' American President though. Picking Wilson with the likes of Lincoln, Ike, John Adams, and Jefferson on the table is somewhat horrifyingly ignorant. Give him credit sure, but best American president he was not.

And I'm not dignifying your second part. I'm standing where I'm standing on the segregation issue. If you condone it and, as president, wipe out large amounts of progress that had been made, then I believe it is a crime.


So lets say you're a pizza company and you want to sponsor the TMNT. As part of the deal they'll get free pizza. When counting how many Teengae Mutant Ninja Turtles there are, the order was:

Michaelangelo, Donatello, Raphael, and Leonardo

But to get double the pizza, after he's counted ol Mike jumps to the end of the line, so that the stoner pizza man counts off:

"Michaelangelo, Donatello, Raphael, Leonardo, Michaelangelo. Allright you guys, five free boxes of pizza comin up!"

The problem here is that all the pizzas were ordered at the same time. How about this analogy:

The TMNT's order pizza, one for each of them on separate credit cards. Ten minutes pass by and suddenly Michaelangelo realizes he's still hungry. He calls and orders another pizza. This pizza goes on the same card but becomes a new order for the pizza place.

How is that?

Al Coholic
03-06-2009, 07:47 AM
2 orders of pizza by one person does not make two different pizza orderers.

0r4ng3
03-06-2009, 07:53 AM
If that person made those two orders of pizza roughly four years apart it's not the same order.

Thomas
03-06-2009, 09:16 AM
I like where this thread is going.

IamSam
03-06-2009, 11:33 PM
2 orders of pizza by one person does not make two different pizza orderers.


If that person made those two orders of pizza roughly four years apart it's not the same order.

^This.

It's like at McDonald's or any other fast food chain. Say you order a Big Mac and then before checking out you realize you're going to still be hungry for more so you order a cheeseburger as well. That will all be on the same order and ticket number: #167.

If you order the Big Mac, check out as #167, and decide that after eating the Big Mac you are still hungry that cheeseburger will be on another ticket due to other people passing through: #172.

coke_a_holic
03-06-2009, 11:41 PM
Yo, just want to add:

Warren G. Harding was a cunt of a president.

Fuck that shit.

Carry on with your TMNT references or whatever the fuck.

RonWelty
03-07-2009, 04:57 PM
I just love President Clinton. I'm not American but I love the guy!

Al Coholic
03-09-2009, 10:54 AM
^This.

It's like at McDonald's or any other fast food chain. Say you order a Big Mac and then before checking out you realize you're going to still be hungry for more so you order a cheeseburger as well. That will all be on the same order and ticket number: #167.

If you order the Big Mac, check out as #167, and decide that after eating the Big Mac you are still hungry that cheeseburger will be on another ticket due to other people passing through: #172.

What kind of fucked up mcdonalds do you go to? Do they write out your orders with a pencil?

"Oh, you're still hungry? Here, give me your ticket, I'll erase the total and write out your new order. We only have like four tickets so we have to re-use them"

No, after you ate the big mac you went up and got another, that makes it a second order. A second, consecutive order. #167 and 168. Had you waited a while and then came back it would still be a second order, just non consecutive.

No where else will you find such logic that something is the same if together but entirely different if although the same spaced apart. I totally understand that he is counted twice because he was nonconsecutive, I just don't understand the logic in doing so. And none of you have offered any logical explanation as to why.

Now look, I get it. We're counting a president's administration from when he's sworn in untill he leaves office, and this guy just so happened to be sworn in twice. It just seems silly to me that he'd be the 22nd and 24th president. And had they decided, 116 years ago when he was re-elected, that he would be considered the 22nd president still, none of you would be making the argument against that call. I guess precedence defeats logic in trivial historical facts.

I also found this today

Since he was both the 22nd and 24th President, he will be featured on two separate dollar coins to be released in 2012 as part of the Presidential $1 Coin Act of 2005.

Whaever, fuck it.

IamSam
03-09-2009, 11:24 AM
What kind of fucked up mcdonalds do you go to? Do they write out your orders with a pencil?

"Oh, you're still hungry? Here, give me your ticket, I'll erase the total and write out your new order. We only have like four tickets so we have to re-use them"

No, after you ate the big mac you went up and got another, that makes it a second order. A second, consecutive order. #167 and 168. Had you waited a while and then came back it would still be a second order, just non consecutive.

No where else will you find such logic that something is the same if together but entirely different if although the same spaced apart. I totally understand that he is counted twice because he was nonconsecutive, I just don't understand the logic in doing so. And none of you have offered any logical explanation as to why.

I worked at a McDonald's for 5 years. Based on traffic flow you would not get two consecutive numbers in the amount of time it takes you to eat a Big Mac. Unless, of course Al, you're secretly a boa constrictor.

Al Coholic
03-09-2009, 11:57 AM
You just lost the argument for working at mcdonalds for 5 years. Barack Obama is now officially the 43rd president.

IamSam
03-17-2009, 03:55 PM
You just lost the argument for working at mcdonalds for 5 years. Barack Obama is now officially the 43rd president.

Sad that you realize that my logic is better than yours so you resort to a personal slight to say I lost.

bighead384
03-18-2009, 12:31 AM
Sad that you realize that my logic is better than yours so you resort to a personal slight to say I lost.

Al Coholic wasn't being serious, you idiot. I have a feeling you might realize this if you weren't so obsessed with finding ways to feel superior to people. IamSam is just like everyone else I don't get along with on these boards. It's the same bullshit, but IamSam isn't as good at hiding it.

That_Guy91
03-18-2009, 03:34 AM
Al Coholic wasn't being serious, you idiot. I have a feeling you might realize this if you weren't so obsessed with finding ways to feel superior to people. IamSam is just like everyone else I don't get along with on these boards. It's the same bullshit, but IamSam isn't as good at hiding it.

Except IamSam is completely right and Al Coholic was trying to derail a serious argument that he had pretty much just lost.

0r4ng3
03-18-2009, 03:44 AM
Our first robot president, John Quincy Adding Machine, who won by just one vote. He won the favor of voters on a platform of not going on a massive killing spree.

But, like most politicians, he promised more than he could deliver.

Al Coholic
03-18-2009, 09:24 AM
Except IamSam is completely right and Al Coholic was trying to derail a serious argument that he had pretty much just lost.
Yeah, if I bring the TMNT into the argument, you know it's dead serious. All the cards were on the table and, when I couldn't make a Ghostbusters analogy, I got desperate and went for the personal slant.



Now look, I get it. We're counting a president's administration from when he's sworn in untill he leaves office, and this guy just so happened to be sworn in twice. It just seems silly to me that he'd be the 22nd and 24th president. And had they decided, 116 years ago when he was re-elected, that he would be considered the 22nd president still, none of you would be making the argument against that call. I guess precedence defeats logic in trivial historical facts.
Also, I was done with this.

Little_Miss_1565
03-18-2009, 12:47 PM
Or4ng3, that made me LOL. Kudos.

Al, your last several posts have made me WTF. There is nothing logically wrong with IamSam's McD's analogy. Dude was president (big mac), left, someone else was president ('nother big mac order), and then he came back and was president again (whole separate big mac order). Separate president numbers because the terms were not consecutive.

Al Coholic
03-18-2009, 01:24 PM
Homegirl I get it, I was just sayin....had historians decided way back when that he'd be the 22nd, and remain 22nd even over the second term...nobody would think it illogical today. But I really stopped caring about this a while ago...

0r4ng3
03-18-2009, 03:19 PM
So yeah. Presidents. Some are good. Some are not so good. One of them is apparently the best. etc.

Al Coholic
03-18-2009, 05:57 PM
So yeah. Presidents. Some are good. Some are not so good. One of them is apparently the best. etc.

BULLSHIT. The other guy is the best, you're an idiot.

Little_Miss_1565
03-20-2009, 11:00 AM
Can you really assign a definite best president overall? I feel like the relative success of a presidency is so tied to the times in which he is president...like, Hoover might have been a slammin' president in any other time. Though, since FDR was president for so long and pulled the country out of the Great Depression, I might feel comfortable saying he was the beeeest. Ehh.

Al Coholic
03-20-2009, 01:11 PM
I figured that when I made this thread, but left the poll anyway because polls are fun. Atleast to me. I figured it'd open up discussion anyway, even if the poll is flawed in many ways.

Al Coholic
05-27-2009, 09:38 AM
So I guess we have a frontrunner:

http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:MlBAZkxRDpMx9M:http://www.clevelandseniors.com/images/quiz/famous/bill-hillary-clinton.jpg
^ This guy.

Castormut
06-02-2009, 06:46 AM
Bill Clinton !!!

Lynx
06-10-2009, 02:41 AM
So I guess we have a frontrunner:

http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:MlBAZkxRDpMx9M:http://www.clevelandseniors.com/images/quiz/famous/bill-hillary-clinton.jpg
^ This guy.
Ha-ha :) Cool.

TheNewDiesease
07-02-2009, 12:41 PM
Andrew Jackson
Abe Lincoln
Teddy Roosevelt
Franklin D. Roosevelt
John F. Kennedy
Jimmy Carter
Bill Clinton

I'll even give Wilson an honorable mention. The reason he didn't make the list was cuz he was a racist who worked against pushes made for racial egalitarianism within the League of Nations.

Reagan gets an honorable mention too, for the War on Drugs and the Star Wars Program, possibly the biggest bluff in history. Apart from that he sucked :P

And I like the way Obama is running his shit right now, maybe he'll make the list one day.

IamSam
07-06-2009, 05:37 AM
Andrew Jackson
Abe Lincoln
Teddy Roosevelt
Franklin D. Roosevelt
John F. Kennedy
Jimmy Carter
Bill Clinton

I'll even give Wilson an honorable mention. The reason he didn't make the list was cuz he was a racist who worked against pushes made for racial egalitarianism within the League of Nations.



And he involved us in more countries (read 'he invaded more countries) than any other president, including Little Georgie.

Al Coholic
07-06-2009, 12:38 PM
Andrew Jackson
Abe Lincoln
Teddy Roosevelt
Franklin D. Roosevelt
John F. Kennedy
Jimmy Carter
Bill Clinton

I'll even give Wilson an honorable mention. The reason he didn't make the list was cuz he was a racist who worked against pushes made for racial egalitarianism within the League of Nations.

Reagan gets an honorable mention too, for the War on Drugs and the Star Wars Program, possibly the biggest bluff in history. Apart from that he sucked :P

And I like the way Obama is running his shit right now, maybe he'll make the list one day.Whatta bout Ike? I like Ike.

IamSam
07-10-2009, 03:04 AM
Whatta bout Ike? I like Ike.
Do you like Ike or do you just like saying "I like Ike?"

Al Coholic
07-10-2009, 09:25 AM
What do you have against Eisenhower. I mean,

Why Dislike Ike?

IamSam
07-11-2009, 12:51 PM
What do you have against Eisenhower. I mean,

Why Dislike Ike?

Oh I am psyched for Ike.

Al Coholic
07-11-2009, 01:59 PM
I know rite? If we were both women I'd be a dyke for Ike.

Not Ozymandias
07-11-2009, 06:53 PM
Why Dislike Ike?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Ajax

Al Coholic
07-13-2009, 12:39 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Ajax

Did I say I like Ike? Well,

Psyche!










Allright all this rhyming is officially gay.

rlplaymaker
08-09-2009, 09:04 PM
Jimmy Carter. The only american president since WW2 who has not started a war. Admit that it's gotta be pretty fucking bragable? That, and he worked actively for peace between israelis and palestinians. And he generally seems like a nice guy. He doesnt have an evil smile like most politicans. :)

The guy had GREAT intentions....however, politcally speaking....probably the worst president we ever had lol. no offense brother, the guy accomplished nothing and let a few more countries slip under commy command. No bueno....but yea a really nice guy, and very intelligent

jacknife737
08-09-2009, 09:59 PM
Carter was responsible for Operation Cyclone which helped to throw the Soviets out of Afghanistan. And he successfully negotiated the freedom of the Embassy hostages in Iran.

It's more than an understatement to claim that he "accomplished nothing".

IamSam
08-10-2009, 05:11 AM
and let a few more countries slip under commy command.

Yeah! Damn those countries that want to dicate how they want to be ruled themselves instead of forcibly taking up the shining banner of democracy!:mad:

Xtrem_Juggernaut
08-14-2009, 02:01 PM
Asking me, Bush kept America safe and protected your ass from arabs and terrorists. He liberated the iraqi people and brought freedom to Iraq and Afghanistan. He striked back at Bin Ladin and Al-qaida and placed those pussys on Guantanamo.
Duh.

Yeah! Iraq is now safer for iraqis that it has never been! Furthermore, it gave the power back to the chiit, so now they can express their love into democracy, order, peace, separation between church and state! Fortunately this country was ready for democracy!

Moreover, they can now live in peace with their iranian brothers who is known to be a stable peaceful state not threatening at all. and it s ok if because of the military campaign the whole Europe has a raising level of security for terrorism attack and our laws became strong, that we are watched in our streets, our offices, our computers, because we are so safe!

in Afghanistan, peace is back! This country is well known for his wonderful landscape, and this unstopped decades of economical growth, and for being the birthplace of democracy throughough the world. At last, the people can vote again, they are so glad to vote they are begging for the return of Talibans. Moreover, they can at last grow drug back, so we can all be a part of it thanx to wide exportation!

Besides, if Bin Laden has been arrested yet, it s because the almost bums undead moles terrorists who protect him are very powerful! They are protected by Allah himself! It s a great victory, but we cannot defeat a God!

Who cares if America was considered as the worst asshole of the universe, America did a great job here, your knowledge of how to settle peace, democracy and freedom into countries not prepared to them is IMPRESSIV!

Al Coholic
04-21-2011, 11:43 PM
I think I'm going to start putting a middle initial in my name more often. Just sounds presedential and cool.

"Albert T. Coholic"

Or something like that.

yarock
04-22-2011, 01:05 AM
I really miss Lewinsky era.

mario_spaghettio
04-23-2011, 02:10 PM
Ronald Reagan. Thread over.

Oxygene
04-24-2011, 03:27 AM
Ronald Reagan. Thread over.

China and the Russians think so..

mario_spaghettio
04-24-2011, 08:02 AM
China and the Russians think so..Russia? I remember when they used to matter.

Oxygene
04-24-2011, 02:22 PM
Russia? I remember when they used to matter.

You couldn't, if you could you wouldn't pick out a president whose lack of intelligence and competence in the basic rules of micro and macro economics lead to the fall of the US as the strongest state on the planet.

Not to mention the corrupt moral turmoil he sent the US into.. it's just as well. Every empire falls eventually.. well China won't, not even after they sell the US to Russia ;) But to be fair: they shoot people like Regan on site.. that Taygetus thing wasn't a bad concept at all, none of this pansy "oh anyone can be president" mindless bullshit ;)

The last real president you had the guys who helped elect Regan shot... that's a nice story by the way.. getting elected with the help of the teamsters union, AND the moral majority... "organized religion and organized crime working together to help build a better america". :D

wendywilliams
04-24-2011, 11:45 PM
Hi, all.

If I wish to vote. I would give my vote to Jorge W. Bush. He is the Great President for America. He made some good policies for the business and gave the chance to develop business in the other countries. Mr. Barak Obama is working now on his policies to develop the country.

Apathy
04-25-2011, 11:47 AM
troll, because the username and siggy would be too awesome otherwise.

IamSam
04-25-2011, 08:40 PM
Hey Wendy, I've got a large chimney that needs some care.

(Somebody had to say it)

samseby
04-26-2011, 08:17 AM
Concerning the entertainment value: Clinton ;)
Other than that Lincoln probably - but this depends on so many things that happen during the presidency, problems that have to be solved and decisions to be made. But maybe this is all about having good advisors ;)