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bighead384
02-16-2009, 08:51 PM
Just a few to get it started:

Ixnay On The Hombre-Offspring
Lagwagon-Blaze
A Wilhelm Scream-Ruiner
Straight Ahead-Pennywise
The Art Of Drowning-AFI
Milo Goes To College-Descendents
The Gray Race- Bad Religion

renato piquette
02-16-2009, 09:00 PM
Embrace the curse-i hate kate!!

Outerspaceman21
02-16-2009, 09:08 PM
I got quite a few to recommend to others, but i'll keep the list short.

Rise Against Siren Songs of the Counter Culture and Appeal to Reason are both great albums and contain some of their best work.

Along with Ruiner, I would like to add Career Suicide by A Wilhelm Scream. Great CD.

I don't really like The Gray Race. Whether you like or not, Bad Religion do their best stuff with Brett Gurewitz. Albums I would recommend are The Process of Belief, The Empire Stikes First, Suffer and No Control

Strung Out's Blackhawks Over Los Angeles and An American Paradox, Strike Anywhere's Exit English, and Ignite's Our Darkest Days are great albums as well.

Pennywise's latest one, Reason To Believe, is awesome. I would recommend that along The Fuse, About Time and Full Circle.

Others bands to look out for that have some good stuff are Crime In Stereo and No Trigger. Got some good songs with them.

RageAndLov
02-17-2009, 02:25 AM
Just a few to get it started:

Ixnay On The Hombre-Offspring
Lagwagon-Blaze
A Wilhelm Scream-Ruiner
Straight Ahead-Pennywise
The Art Of Drowning-AFI
Milo Goes To College-Descendents
The Gray Race- Bad Religion

Do you mean Melodic Hardcore or Pop Punk?
if you mean Melodic Hardcore, I wouldn't call Ixnay for an album under that genre.

Some good Melodic Hardcore albums:
Golliwog - More Than Meets D.I.Y.
AFI - Black Sails In The Sunset
Pennywise - Reason To Believe

Rooster
02-17-2009, 02:57 AM
I don't think that melodic punk equals pop punk. Just listen to White Light, White Heat, White Trash by Social Distortion, no trace of pop, just rock and melodic punk.

RageAndLov
02-17-2009, 04:36 AM
What's the difference between meliodic punk and pop punk then?

Tomasisko
02-17-2009, 04:55 AM
Do you mean Melodic Hardcore or Pop Punk?
if you mean Melodic Hardcore, I wouldn't call Ixnay for an album under that genre.

Some good Melodic Hardcore albums:
Golliwog - More Than Meets D.I.Y.
AFI - Black Sails In The Sunset
Pennywise - Reason To Believe

ARE YOU CRAZY??? YOU DEFINITELY DON'T KNOW WHAT IS HARDCORE. LOOK AT THE VIDEOS IN MY SIGNATURE AND YOU'LL FIND OUT.

WANNA SOME MELODIC HARDCORE? HERE YOU ARE:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rImYK4fuzzo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZWuAmKxHfw

RageAndLov
02-17-2009, 05:41 AM
ARE YOU CRAZY??? YOU DEFINITELY DON'T KNOW WHAT IS HARDCORE. LOOK AT THE VIDEOS IN MY SIGNATURE AND YOU'LL FIND OUT.

WANNA SOME MELODIC HARDCORE? HERE YOU ARE:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rImYK4fuzzo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZWuAmKxHfw

Do you know what Hardcore is? Hardcore is a shortage for Hardcore Punk, which is a much more rawer and aggresive type of Punk. And Hardcore Punk or simply Hardcore has hundreds of sub-genres. One of the sub-genres is Melodic Hardcore, which in my point of view is Hardcore Punk influenced by Pop Punk.

From Ashes Dust - Reaction was a really great song btw :)
And I think you pushed the caps button.

Free?
02-17-2009, 05:47 AM
Could anyone please explain me what does "melodic" part mean? Doesn't matter is it hardcore, punk or death. Does it supposed to mean that song structure should be more complicated (like tempo breaks, additional "mini" riffs and solo's)?

I wouldn't classify Offspring as melodic punk, but to me their songs are much more "melodic" than let's say Strung Out's, even though Strung Out's songs tend to be more complicated.

I kinda don't like the term "melodic" because it's really depends on personal opinion. You may like a song A with simple riffs better than some complicated B one, does that make A more "melodic" than B? No, but you still like A more because of it's melody.

RageAndLov
02-17-2009, 05:58 AM
Could anyone please explain me what does "melodic" part mean? Doesn't matter is it hardcore, punk or death. Does it supposed to mean that song structure should be more complicated (like tempo breaks, additional "mini" riffs and solo's)?

I wouldn't classify Offspring as melodic punk, but to me their songs are much more "melodic" than let's say Strung Out's, even though Strung Out's songs tend to be more complicated.

I kinda don't like the term "melodic" because it's really depends on personal opinion. You may like a song A with simple riffs better than some complicated B one, does that make A more "melodic" than B? No, but you still like A more because of it's melody.

I don't think the level of complication of a song has anything to do with it being melodic or not. Melodic means the song, album, artist, genre or whatever have a certain degree of melody. Straight forward punk is often pretty simple and may have only three chords to it. Sometimes three chords aren't enough to make "real" melody. With hardcore punk, there is much less melody, in fact so little of it that some people just hear noise. But when a band wants to have much rawer music than normal punk and at the same time have melody in their music, they make music called Melodic Hardcore.

Tomasisko
02-17-2009, 06:14 AM
Do you know what Hardcore is? Hardcore is a shortage for Hardcore Punk, which is a much more rawer and aggresive type of Punk. And Hardcore Punk or simply Hardcore has hundreds of sub-genres. One of the sub-genres is Melodic Hardcore, which in my point of view is Hardcore Punk influenced by Pop Punk.

From Ashes Dust - Reaction was a really great song btw :)
And I think you pushed the caps button.

no my friend hardcore isn't a shortage for hardcore punk... Hardcore is one genre, hardcore punk is another genre. But people don't know that. Besides Offspring I listen only hardcore and crust music. I grew up in hardcore/crust community. I have been on many many hardcore and crust gigs, I listen hardcore music for many many years. Hardcore has arisen from punk and metal 30 years ago.

Yes hardcore punk is much more rawer and aggresive type of punk, but it's not a hardcore :) I'll give you a few examples if you want. And you'll see difference between these genres

edit: it's From Ashes Rise not From Ashes Dust :)

Free?
02-17-2009, 06:27 AM
RageAndLov. Your explanation made a lot of sense, but it's still very uncertain, what does "melodic" mean to me.

I still believe that it's related with more complicated song structure, I don't think you could name a "simple" song that would classify as melodic at the same time, I can't for sure.

Melodic means the song, album, artist, genre or whatever have a certain degree of melody. Straight forward punk is often pretty simple and may have only three chords to it. Sometimes three chords aren't enough to make "real" melody.
You see, even you agreed ;]. The problem is that 3 chords can make a melody which will repeat for 3 mins and it will be the whole song, how would it be less melodic than some crazier stuff where are twenty different riffs, 2 solos, 5 mini-solos and 6 tempo changes?

bighead384
02-17-2009, 06:48 AM
Well you see, an album like Black Sails in the Sunset by AFI isn't really "pop punk". It's simply melodic punk. So I wanted to make a thread about melodic punk to include bands/albums like that.

Tomasisko
02-17-2009, 06:49 AM
hey guys forget about difficult definitions for "melodic" :D "Melodic" is smth catchy and easy to remember :)

Rutegard
02-17-2009, 06:51 AM
hey guys forget about difficult definitions for "melodic" :D "Melodic" is smth catchy and easy to remember :)

i thought melodic meant this all along....that some bands cannot be considered themselves melodic, but can have some melodic songs, and that some songs can actually be more melodic than others.

Free?
02-17-2009, 06:59 AM
hey guys forget about difficult definitions for "melodic" :D "Melodic" is smth catchy and easy to remember :)

That's a basic simple logic which is common for like 95% of people. But I can't classify Pork and Beans (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAxY4krD8G8) as melodic. It's pure simplicity, melody is catchy as hell, but it's a bit different from your own provided examples
WANNA SOME MELODIC HARDCORE? HERE YOU ARE:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rImYK4fuzzo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZWuAmKxHfw :P

EDIT:That's exactly what I don't like about "melodic" definition. It's so vague, yet it's very spread across the internet. Pork and Beans isn't melodic power pop (or pop punk), but it's a melodic song.

Tomasisko
02-17-2009, 08:04 AM
That's a basic simple logic which is common for like 95% of people. But I can't classify Pork and Beans (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAxY4krD8G8) as melodic. It's pure simplicity, melody is catchy as hell, but it's a bit different from your own provided examples :P

EDIT:That's exactly what I don't like about "melodic" definition. It's so vague, yet it's very spread across the internet. Pork and Beans isn't melodic power pop (or pop punk), but it's a melodic song.

it's something different when you're talking about MELODIC HARDOCRE (Endstand or From Ashes Rise are typical melodic hardcore bands) or MELODIC POP PUNK...

jacknife737
02-17-2009, 08:34 AM
I've always considered "melodic punk" to be nothing but another term for "pop punk". Since, i don't really see any major stylistic difference between the two. Most of the albums (save for perhaps the Wilhelm Scream album) that Bighead listed in his initial post i'd consider to be "pop punk". The same goes for most albums that people have listed in this thread.

Outerspaceman21
02-17-2009, 09:15 AM
I sorta look at Melodic Punk as a less brighter version of Pop Punk.

OffbeatTeenageManiac
02-17-2009, 09:19 AM
the empire strikes back by bad religion
-or-
meanest of times by dropkick murphys

bighead384
02-17-2009, 09:32 AM
I've always considered "melodic punk" to be nothing but another term for "pop punk". Since, i don't really see any major stylistic difference between the two. Most of the albums (save for perhaps the Wilhelm Scream album) that Bighead listed in his initial post i'd consider to be "pop punk". The same goes for most albums that people have listed in this thread.

Right. I guess this thread somewhat fails because of the obvious level of confusion, but I can't say I understand why. I was going to name the thread "Favorite Pop Punk Albums", but I thought Melodic Punk would be more inclusive as far as different sounds go, and save people the trouble of going "Is this REALLY pop-punk, or could it be considered something else?". Which is exactly the case with that AWS album. I thought I was making it easier on people, but it had the opposite effect.

Melodic punk is any punk that's melodic you dunces. Hardcore punk is not melodic. Street Punk is not melodic. Most other kinds of punk are melodic.

OffbeatTeenageManiac
02-17-2009, 09:34 AM
Are the Dropkick Murphy's Melodic?

Rutegard
02-17-2009, 09:38 AM
to me guttermouth, pennywise, nofx, vandals and millencolin r melodic punk, am i right? melodic 'cause they r catchy, not exactly 'cause they r pop, which they r not.
or are they just punk?

RageAndLov
02-17-2009, 09:56 AM
no my friend hardcore isn't a shortage for hardcore punk... Hardcore is one genre, hardcore punk is another genre. But people don't know that. Besides Offspring I listen only hardcore and crust music. I grew up in hardcore/crust community. I have been on many many hardcore and crust gigs, I listen hardcore music for many many years. Hardcore has arisen from punk and metal 30 years ago.

Yes hardcore punk is much more rawer and aggresive type of punk, but it's not a hardcore :) I'll give you a few examples if you want. And you'll see difference between these genres

edit: it's From Ashes Rise not From Ashes Dust :)

I strongly disagree. Hardcore and crust are two sub-genres of punk. The full terms are hardcore punk and crust punk. These are two sorts of punk, where hardcore is a more rawer form of punk, and crust is kinda hardcore punk and metal mixed together. Crust is sometimes referred to as metal punk.

If you go to en.wikipedia.org and type in just "hardcore" in the search box you will only find hardcore punk related articles. And if you type in "crust" you will find an article about crust punk. There is not something called only hardcore or only crust. It's just simplified writings.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hardcore
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crust


If you check your hardcore band From Ashes Rise, you'll see it is described as d-beat, hardcore punk and crust punk.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/From_Ashes_Rise

RageAndLov
02-17-2009, 10:00 AM
I've always considered "melodic punk" to be nothing but another term for "pop punk". Since, i don't really see any major stylistic difference between the two. Most of the albums (save for perhaps the Wilhelm Scream album) that Bighead listed in his initial post i'd consider to be "pop punk". The same goes for most albums that people have listed in this thread.


This.


Melodic punk is pop punk. Melodic hardcore is a fusion of pop punk and hardcore punk

Alex101
02-17-2009, 10:07 AM
All six of Bad Religion's albums between 1988 and 1994 (Suffer, No Control, Against the Grain, Generator, Recipe for Hate and Stranger Than Fiction) are awesome and contain some of their greatest works yet. Three of their later albums (The Gray Race, No Substance and The New America) actually suck just because Bad Religion were never the same without Brett. Ever since Brett reunited with them in 2001, Bad Religion have no longer sucked and have been making good stuff again.

Pennywise's About Time and Land of the Free? are two of their best albums by far and highly recommended.

Sick of It All's latest album, Death to Tyrants, is awesome. I would recommend it along with Scratch the Surface, Built to Last and their 1989 classic debut Blood, Sweat and No Tears.

The last Face to Face album, How to Ruin Everything, is a good CD. Other albums I would recommend by them are their first three albums: Don't Turn Away, Big Choice and their 1996 self-titled album. If you don't or didn't know who Face to Face were, Pete Parada was involved in this band before he joined The Offspring.

Descendents' Milo Goes to College, Lagwagon's Duh and Trashed, Big Drill Car's CD Type Thing and Rise Against's last three albums (Siren Song of the Counter Culture, The Sufferer & The Witness, and Appeal to Reason) are great albums as well.

RageAndLov
02-17-2009, 10:12 AM
RageAndLov. Your explanation made a lot of sense, but it's still very uncertain, what does "melodic" mean to me.

I still believe that it's related with more complicated song structure, I don't think you could name a "simple" song that would classify as melodic at the same time, I can't for sure.

You see, even you agreed ;]. The problem is that 3 chords can make a melody which will repeat for 3 mins and it will be the whole song, how would it be less melodic than some crazier stuff where are twenty different riffs, 2 solos, 5 mini-solos and 6 tempo changes?

I guess you have a point there. But I believe that some three-chords-songs can be melodic. This song for example:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XgumG6Oeg1w

It has only three chords on both the bass (I think) and the guitar. Since Warner Bros has taken away all their music from YouTube, you'll have to see the video live.

bighead384
02-17-2009, 10:14 AM
I guess you have a point there. But I believe that some three-chords-songs can be melodic. This song for example:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XgumG6Oeg1w

It has only three chords on both the bass (I think) and the guitar. Since Warner Bros has taken away all their music from YouTube, you'll have to see the video live.

I'd say it has the most to do with the vocalist, although the instruments matter as well. If the vocalist basically just yells in every song with little or no melody, it's not melodic punk.

RageAndLov
02-17-2009, 10:45 AM
I'd say it has the most to do with the vocalist, although the instruments matter as well. If the vocalist basically just yells in every song with little or no melody, it's not melodic punk.

Yes, that is another point.

Tomasisko
02-17-2009, 11:49 AM
I strongly disagree. Hardcore and crust are two sub-genres of punk. The full terms are hardcore punk and crust punk. These are two sorts of punk, where hardcore is a more rawer form of punk, and crust is kinda hardcore punk and metal mixed together. Crust is sometimes referred to as metal punk.

If you go to en.wikipedia.org and type in just "hardcore" in the search box you will only find hardcore punk related articles. And if you type in "crust" you will find an article about crust punk. There is not something called only hardcore or only crust. It's just simplified writings.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hardcore
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crust


If you check your hardcore band From Ashes Rise, you'll see it is described as d-beat, hardcore punk and crust punk.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/From_Ashes_Rise

everything is joined with punk because these genres has arisen from punk. Btw, fuck wikipedia. I know about hardcore bands much more than wikipedia. Nobody of my friends is using term "hardcore punk" for hardcore bands or "crust punk" for crust bands. If the band is hardcore punk we use term hardcore punk. But some of the bands are simply "hardcore" or "crust".

I'm only trying to say that hardcore isn't a shortage for hardcore punk. Yes a lot of bands use term crust/hardcore/punk in their description of the band. It's because they are influenced by those genres. Like I said, if you want I can give you some examples where the band is describing their own music as hardcore or crust or d-beat

Bipolar Bear
02-17-2009, 11:57 AM
melodic punk is poppunk which has failed to become popular..

or that sounds like poppunk but with more serious lyrics xD

*note: I pulled that definition out of my ass

Free?
02-17-2009, 12:58 PM
Melodic hardcore punk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7pdix9ZZdmw), hardcore punk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RkyxNa2W9o&feature=related), punk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EfYno7i-NUo), hardcore (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZzAEzF__FIM), pop (I prefer when people call it cali-) punk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=duE_pFsWWaA). Those are examples of how I define the (sometimes too thin) difference between those sub-genres. Please note that I've chosen songs that accord to my criteria, not bands. Almost every band has songs from different sub-genres, at least the ones I used as examples.
Melodic punk or melodic hardcore punk... I don't know, is there any difference at all... Well, I could imagine how it would sound, but I can't think of any song that I would define as "melodic punk". Same story about melodic hardcore. It's so damn close to melodic hardcore punk.

Tomasisko
02-17-2009, 02:27 PM
at first you must to know tenths of punk, anarcho punk, hardcore, hardcore punk, crust, d-beat, screamo or emo violence bands. then you'll see the difference among these genres. wikipedia tells you nothing.

RageAndLov
02-17-2009, 02:40 PM
everything is joined with punk because these genres has arisen from punk. Btw, fuck wikipedia. I know about hardcore bands much more than wikipedia. Nobody of my friends is using term "hardcore punk" for hardcore bands or "crust punk" for crust bands. If the band is hardcore punk we use term hardcore punk. But some of the bands are simply "hardcore" or "crust".

I'm only trying to say that hardcore isn't a shortage for hardcore punk. Yes a lot of bands use term crust/hardcore/punk in their description of the band. It's because they are influenced by those genres. Like I said, if you want I can give you some examples where the band is describing their own music as hardcore or crust or d-beat

Yes, please show me the difference between hardcore & hardcore punk, and crust and crust punk as well. I'm very excited what you will come up with.

RageAndLov
02-17-2009, 02:51 PM
Melodic hardcore punk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7pdix9ZZdmw), hardcore punk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RkyxNa2W9o&feature=related), punk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EfYno7i-NUo), hardcore (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZzAEzF__FIM), pop (I prefer when people call it cali-) punk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=duE_pFsWWaA). Those are examples of how I define the (sometimes too thin) difference between those sub-genres. Please note that I've chosen songs that accord to my criteria, not bands. Almost every band has songs from different sub-genres, at least the ones I used as examples.
Melodic punk or melodic hardcore punk... I don't know, is there any difference at all... Well, I could imagine how it would sound, but I can't think of any song that I would define as "melodic punk". Same story about melodic hardcore. It's so damn close to melodic hardcore punk.

What you call hardcore punk, is IMO melodic hardcore. And what you said was only hardcore IS hardcore punk! Just punk was pretty accurate I think, and the last video was just horrible! Not even pop punk! I would call that pop rock or just pop. High school rock perhaps.

here is what I think:
hardcore punk, (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UT2TRiew_W8) crust punk, (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8IuTj-mx4zU) poppunk, (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kkrHYHqChlI) and plain punk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKLV2ITm6z8)

chicapowerpunk
02-17-2009, 03:30 PM
Well not all pop punk or hardcore punk.
The hair on the sides to consider AFI EMO, like Bad Religion.
The press calls the groups according to their convenience (money, advertising).
In fact the whole thing sounds like a one-PUNK.:p

Tomasisko
02-17-2009, 03:52 PM
Yes, please show me the difference between hardcore & hardcore punk, and crust and crust punk as well. I'm very excited what you will come up with.

you know that? you posted it in hardcore music thread. this exactly is hardcore punk

Government Warning (One of my top three bands):
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=50012803

Warkrime:
http://www.myspace.com/warkrimerules

Double Negative:
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=61749803


and now compare it with hardcore bands:

Ekkaia - if you tell me this is hardcore punk I'll kill you :D I love song Mientras Dorminos. You should listen to this song :)
http://www.myspace.com/demasiadotardeparapedirperdon

Balaclava - you should compare songs Rekviem (from their first album, they have started as a hardcore punk band almost 15 years ago) and Osada Havranu (from their last album released in 2007)
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=291676301

Down To Agony
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lRwecV9qubQ

try to listen it carefully and you must to understand that hardcore and hardcore punk are two genres :) For hardcore is typical (I don't know how to explain it :D ) "accentuated solo guitar" that you can hear almost all the song

Free?
02-18-2009, 02:25 AM
What you call hardcore punk, is IMO melodic hardcore. And what you said was only hardcore IS hardcore punk! Just punk was pretty accurate I think, and the last video was just horrible! Not even pop punk! I would call that pop rock or just pop. High school rock perhaps.

here is what I think:
hardcore punk, (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UT2TRiew_W8) crust punk, (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8IuTj-mx4zU) poppunk, (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kkrHYHqChlI) and plain punk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKLV2ITm6z8)

Okay, our opinions are quite different, I definitely wouldn't classify Step Down as melodic hardcore, we can see here the exact difference of how we understand "melodic" part. And by linking Lit video, I tried to pick up a punk rock song with really poppy lyrics and radio friendly, it's close to the poppiest side of the pop punk scale (mmm... power pop?), on the other side I would place Don't Call Me White. But overall I'd classify nofx as hardcore pop ska-influenced punk rock.

God, I started to hate "pop" prefix since yesterday even more.

Edit: I generally agree with Tomas' provided examples, in hardcore section however there's too much screamo. But it's still hardcore. And yes, I can see what you mean by "accentuated solo guitar" :D.

RageAndLov
02-18-2009, 03:17 AM
you know that? you posted it in hardcore music thread. this exactly is hardcore punk

Government Warning (One of my top three bands):
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=50012803

Warkrime:
http://www.myspace.com/warkrimerules

Double Negative:
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=61749803


and now compare it with hardcore bands:

Ekkaia - if you tell me this is hardcore punk I'll kill you :D I love song Mientras Dorminos. You should listen to this song
http://www.myspace.com/demasiadotardeparapedirperdon

Balaclava - you should compare songs Rekviem (from their first album, they have started as a hardcore punk band almost 15 years ago) and Osada Havranu (from their last album released in 2007)
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=291676301

Down To Agony
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lRwecV9qubQ

try to listen it carefully and you must to understand that hardcore and hardcore punk are two genres :) For hardcore is typical (I don't know how to explain it :D ) "accentuated solo guitar" that you can hear almost all the song

I clearly hear difference between our examples. But what you call just hardcore, I would say is crust punk. Ekkaia is not directly hardcore punk. From those songs that I heard, I would call them a crust punk band.
You see, all hardcore punk bands don't have to sound the same. Government Warning and Balaclava sound different, but I would classify both as something like hardcore punk. Maybe Balaclava is more of an crust punk band (or metal punk. And metal is known to have "accentuated solo guitar" in it).

I guess we just have to agree to disagree. Please don't kill me

Nice bands all of them, especially Balaclava :)

RageAndLov
02-18-2009, 03:36 AM
Okay, our opinions are quite different, I definitely wouldn't classify Step Down as melodic hardcore, we can see here the exact difference of how we understand "melodic" part. And by linking Lit video, I tried to pick up a punk rock song with really poppy lyrics and radio friendly, it's close to the poppiest side of the pop punk scale (mmm... power pop?), on the other side I would place Don't Call Me White. But overall I'd classify nofx as hardcore pop ska-influenced punk rock.

God, I started to hate "pop" prefix since yesterday even more.

Edit: I generally agree with Tomas' provided examples, in hardcore section however there's too much screamo. But it's still hardcore. And yes, I can see what you mean by "accentuated solo guitar" :D.

I would just say that NOFX is a pop punk band :p
And yes, we have different opinions :)

Tomasisko
02-18-2009, 05:08 AM
I clearly hear difference between our examples. But what you call just hardcore, I would say is crust punk. Ekkaia is not directly hardcore punk. From those songs that I heard, I would call them a crust punk band.
You see, all hardcore punk bands don't have to sound the same. Government Warning and Balaclava sound different, but I would classify both as something like hardcore punk. Maybe Balaclava is more of an crust punk band (or metal punk. And metal is known to have "accentuated solo guitar" in it).

I guess we just have to agree to disagree. Please don't kill me

Nice bands all of them, especially Balaclava :)

I have been on Balaclava concert :p

RageAndLov
02-18-2009, 05:44 AM
I have been on Balaclava concert :p

Cool :p
Too bad I don't understand what they are singing about.

Tomasisko
02-18-2009, 06:35 AM
Cool :p
Too bad I don't understand what they are singing about.

here you are :)

http://www.balaclava.wz.cz/texty.html

RageAndLov
02-18-2009, 03:44 PM
here you are :)

http://www.balaclava.wz.cz/texty.html

The ENG buttons don't work :(

WebDudette
02-18-2009, 05:45 PM
Something I would consider melodic hardcore: Have Heart - Bostons (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_oljbogH3Q)

Something I would consider melodic punk: Afi - Days of the Phoenix (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SulKPvLiwkE)

I know hardcore is technically a branch of punk, but something like Bad Brains (hardcore punk) is a lot different then something like Ceremony (todays typical hardcore).

I wouldn't consider most, if not all of bighead's albums any form of hardcore.

Arguing genres is silly.

Tomasisko
02-19-2009, 05:09 AM
The ENG buttons don't work :(

it works for me...