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Apathy
04-24-2009, 10:55 PM
An obvious statement, and quite frankly the topic has been discussed to the point of oversaturation.

Nonetheless I am intrigued by your opinions. Consider the following.

It is a reasonable explanation, and basically agreed upon that sex sells in large part because the media is willing to sell it. For the obvious reason that it's easy to sell something that everyone instinctively wants. But does this have to mean that the final product is so sexed up that there is so little actual content that the only thing being sold anymore is sex itself?

Take for example, the motivation for this topic. I recently viewed the 2007 atrocity of a film, Beowulf. The classic tale of a Hero is so horribly betrayed into a affair-ridden sexathon that so conveniently features Angelina Jolie's golden (yes, literally) breasts that it's hard to even figure out what is actually happening within the story. Between that, and Beowulf's choice to fight naked, with phallic images of spears and swords covering his manhood, it's hard to pay attention to much else. Is it that far of a leap to say that most people don't want to? That this is what they pay for?

Of course, it didn't win any awards or anything. But it's so different from the book I'm shocked it even has the same name. In either case, the movie isn't really important, nor is it what I really wanted opinions on.

A more appropriate summation:
Would it be an accurate assumption that the media sells sex not because it appeals to raw sexuality, but because it's easier to convey emotions to a typical person through affairs and lust than it is traditional romance?

Outerspaceman21
04-24-2009, 11:17 PM
I believe Fraud once said that man is driven subconciously by two thing: Sex and Religion.

Of course there is way more to it than that, but I believe it is in part to the fact that we are a really horny race. The media and advertisment industry use that to their advantage and sometime the product itself is lost in the gimic.

Take men's deoderant. Anyone remember those Tag Body spray commercials. Totally driven on sex and lost in that fact that we wear deoderant to hide our body oder.

Thats just my point on view on it. I'm probably way off.

Apathy
04-24-2009, 11:32 PM
I believe Fraud once said


Most likely a spelling error, but possibly a Freudian slip which would be both ironic and hilarious.

Offspring-Junkie
04-25-2009, 01:36 AM
Basically it's true. If you see something that refers to sex it generally rises your attention. Attention is the key to sell any goods. But this example of the movie seems pretty strange to me. Maybe Beowolf had to be naked while fighting because they thought it would make the fight seem more epic.
To sex up a product: I don't think you sell sex itself, you just rise attention. The product has to be of some use or else you can't sell it.

Free?
04-25-2009, 03:30 AM
Would it be an accurate assumption that the media sells sex not because it appeals to raw sexuality, but because *it's easier to convey emotions to a typical person through affairs and lust than it is traditional romance*?
I think it varies, one time there's simply very strong sexy content without any place for romance, other time sexiness is preferred over romance because *...* and it's not something rare when you can see both romance and sexuality. So No and Yes and Why not both?.

And how you described Beowulf is wrong. There wasn't any overdose of sexual content than usually you see in a typical movie (well, in action/adventure at least). Jolie's character was the only one that had sexuality as one of primary attributes (but that's an important part of storyline and is necessary for demonic seduction scenes), Beowulf's nude fighting scene (which imo was an arguably successful idea) wasn't focused on his body, but on the action and the rest of nudity, such as king-Hopkins was something I'd call the medieval realistic detail rather than "sex selling". I didn't get distracted from any scene by sexual content at all. You could think of a better movie example, like Charlie's Angels or something like that (:) ).

Alison
04-25-2009, 03:54 AM
No, I think you're right with Beowulf, for sure.
I mean Grendel's mother is supposed to be this ugly monster, some slightly androgynous creature. The poet describes her ugliness quite a bit in the poem. I hear in the movie she seduces Beowulf or something...that's completely off from the poems point of view. And Beowulf fighting naked, I cant remember that being mentioned in the poem either. It is compeltely over sexed, too much, in fact to give any honour to the book. It even changed the storyline to make it more sexually appealing.

Free?
04-25-2009, 04:13 AM
I didn't read the book, so I can't relate to how much the storyline/characters were changed in the movie, maybe it wasn't quite respectful and all, but it didn't seem to me over-sexed at all. There was so much more than just Jolie and a naked fighting scene.

Alison
04-25-2009, 04:38 AM
Well I havent seen the movie, only trailers for it, so i'm not too sure. But i think, for the story that it is, it is a bit too sexed up. Like...it would be like making the story of chuchulain, to have some sexy wolfhound who seduces him before he kills it...ok bad example.
But I think, it's an historical manuscript, it just seems a bit degrading to it, especially that the storyline was slightly changed. But maybe I'm wrong in thinking that.

Rag Doll
04-25-2009, 07:31 AM
Sex is something that's easy to relate to for everyone. It's a common desire, so it's one thing that will make the most people interested in your product. I think what's equally or more important is why certain images of sexuality are chosen over others and why the human body, particularly the female body, has just become another commodity to be sold alongside the product...

T-6005
04-25-2009, 08:07 AM
Speaking of commodifying women, I saw Fast and Furious last night and was actually shocked.

AllIn All It's Not So Bad
04-25-2009, 08:26 AM
Speaking of commodifying women, I saw Fast and Furious last night and was actually shocked.


please tell me, is it better than Tokyo drift
i want to go watch it but im to cheap and i just wait till someone has a good quality torrent online

Bipolar Bear
04-25-2009, 08:36 AM
Freud was smart but half of what he said was complete bullshit

Little_Miss_1565
04-25-2009, 11:05 AM
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Vera
04-25-2009, 11:09 AM
Thread over.

Lizardus
04-25-2009, 06:59 PM
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Outerspaceman21
04-25-2009, 07:37 PM
Most likely a spelling error, but possibly a Freudian slip which would be both ironic and hilarious.

Yeah, I can never spell his name right.

Cbonham5
04-27-2009, 11:41 AM
Yeah, there's no doubt sex sells. the Axe and/or Tag commercials ar perfect examples of how this could backfire. I know plenty of people (mainly idiots) who bought into the notion that this particular body spray would get them laid, I however, boycott the product because I would feel like an idiot just for buying it. Beer commercials do the exact same thing, and I can't tell you how many movies are extremely popular amongst adolescent boys purely because of nudity (Harold and Kumar and the unrated version of Duke's of Hazzard come to mind, at least Harold and Kumar was funny). And you can even accuse the Jonas Brothers/Miley Cyrus of using the same scheme. I heard someone make the good point that if you're thinking about how the Jonases and Cyrus aren't having sex, that leads you to thinking about the Jonases and Cyrus actually having sex...from body spray to disney, everyone uses sex to sell their product

IamSam
04-27-2009, 11:55 AM
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The last frame is absolutely amazing.

KyleW
04-27-2009, 12:08 PM
I've read this thread title as Sex Smells 3 times now.

[[Meli.x]]
04-27-2009, 02:59 PM
While Freud seems slightly perverted in his Psychosexual development theory, theres some truth behind it (maybe not in children, as he proposed) but to your average person, most things in your head can link back to sex or sexual things. I guess that in the world today, every film maker is trying to shock, and it wont supprise me if sometime within the next few years a horror, or thriller film (Not counting Pornography) comes out with graphic beastiality or some other obcinity in the forefront. As for comercials, Just look at the Lynx bullet advert (those who live in the UK). its slogan is "pocket pulling power". Now they either believe that men are really that fucking stupid, or that women are so easy that if a guy smells nice theyre gonna open their legs and invite them in. Sex sells because it is the "forbidden fruit" so to speak. I, personally, am disgusted at the amount of sex and sexual references in soap operas now. On prime time TV, with kids everywhere tuning in to see homosexual kisses, detailed affairs and implied sex scenes. Just so you know, the i am not homophobic, i have nothing against homosexuals, and seeing them kiss on tv doesnt particularly bother me.. but i know that when i was as young as 6 or 7, people were talking about the various things they had learned from soaps and tv. In most films, however, sexual references dont particularly bother me. if you rent an 18 rated movie, its almost certain there will be at least references, if not then scenes of a "sexual nature". As you dont expect a scene such as those in Taking Lives or Pathology in a 12 rated film. I believe far too many things are "sexed up" because, indeed, it does sell...

ninthz
04-27-2009, 08:59 PM
Hey 1565. That's not cool.

iPunk247
04-27-2009, 11:58 PM
Duh! Everyone knows dat. Sex sells. I hate it. I'd rather die happy, then to fucking sell my own sex to a shitty ass motherfucker! Am I alone on this? Yikes! :mad: :( :mad: :(

holland25
04-28-2009, 01:11 AM
Everytime I see the thread title, it reminds me of Megadeth's Peace Sells, But Who's Buying? album and it also reminds me of how much I hate that album.

Alison
04-28-2009, 05:41 AM
Duh! Everyone knows dat. Sex sells. I hate it. I'd rather die happy, then to fucking sell my own sex to a shitty ass motherfucker! Am I alone on this? Yikes! :mad: :( :mad: :(

You did have links to some porn site or something of the sort in your signature not too long ago, if i recall correctly. Maybe I'm wrong...

T-6005
04-28-2009, 06:24 AM
Of course sex sells - especially in North America. The entire place is so sexually repressed and everything is so cleaned up that when you show a little skin people go nuts.

Bipolar Bear
04-28-2009, 12:45 PM
];1296707']While Freud seems slightly perverted in his Psychosexual development theory, theres some truth behind it (maybe not in children, as he proposed) but to your average person, most things in your head can link back to sex or sexual things. I guess that in the world today, every film maker is trying to shock, and it wont supprise me if sometime within the next few years a horror, or thriller film (Not counting Pornography) comes out with graphic beastiality or some other obcinity in the forefront. As for comercials, Just look at the Lynx bullet advert (those who live in the UK). its slogan is "pocket pulling power". Now they either believe that men are really that fucking stupid, or that women are so easy that if a guy smells nice theyre gonna open their legs and invite them in. Sex sells because it is the "forbidden fruit" so to speak. I, personally, am disgusted at the amount of sex and sexual references in soap operas now. On prime time TV, with kids everywhere tuning in to see homosexual kisses, detailed affairs and implied sex scenes. Just so you know, the i am not homophobic, i have nothing against homosexuals, and seeing them kiss on tv doesnt particularly bother me.. but i know that when i was as young as 6 or 7, people were talking about the various things they had learned from soaps and tv. In most films, however, sexual references dont particularly bother me. if you rent an 18 rated movie, its almost certain there will be at least references, if not then scenes of a "sexual nature". As you dont expect a scene such as those in Taking Lives or Pathology in a 12 rated film. I believe far too many things are "sexed up" because, indeed, it does sell...

Although it contains some truth, it's a really, really, REALLY overly simplistic view.

[[Meli.x]]
04-28-2009, 03:02 PM
Although it contains some truth, it's a really, really, REALLY overly simplistic view.

Yeah, that was me trying to condense it into a smaller paragraph... i think i got my point accross, sort of XD

T-6005
04-28-2009, 03:22 PM
My only problem with Freud is that the majority of people take his psychological model as an absolute.

Llamas
04-28-2009, 04:12 PM
My problem with Freud is that he compromised his studies by doing things like sleeping with his test subjects and such. There was nothing remotely scientific about his studies, so I have a hard time accepting his results.

T-6005
04-28-2009, 05:01 PM
Well, to be honest I don't know much about the physical studies Freud undertook - I'm just a little guarded in taking massive repressions at face value. Not that I'm all REPRESSION DUN Eksist! but something about the sheer breadth of everything we're repressing makes me a little reluctant to buy in.

It should be mentioned that, studies or no, his theories all tie in remarkably well together and keep a tight internal logic. Especially if you read Civilization and its Discontents.

I will give him points on the seeds of child psychology - even though I prefer to credit Erikson and later Gilligan for our (currently) definitive model. He really kind of got that running.

Cbonham5
04-29-2009, 11:56 AM
alright, I've heard about Freud but never really knew what he said or what his science involved, I'll go do some research so i can know whats going on :D


edit: alright, i looked him up and all the stuff i saw were just things i regarded as facts, didn't even know there was a debate about this stuff. however, maybe reading the summary paragraph in his Wikipedia page isn't the best research method...

iPunk247
04-29-2009, 12:24 PM
You did have links to some porn site or something of the sort in your signature not too long ago, if i recall correctly. Maybe I'm wrong...

oops, my bad and i'm so sorry. :|

Apathy
04-29-2009, 08:27 PM
Too many people seem to be under the illusion that Freud was right.

He isn't taught in schools and psychology classes today because he was right, he's taught because he was one of the first, and he was right about at least a few things. Anybody who knows anything knows that Jung/Erikson/ etc had better ideas regarding psychoanalysis in general...

but you are straying from my main point.

ninthz
04-29-2009, 10:47 PM
Look at how well-read we all are.

Bipolar Bear
05-01-2009, 08:10 AM
Paying a whore or paying a date for sex - I see no difference. :rolleyes:

btw
Prostitution is legal in Canada
[but not solicitation]