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RonWelty
05-07-2009, 04:13 PM
JE FUCKIN RULLES!

Tijs nice for you,right?

http://www.huntenpop.nl/pages/programma09.html
http://www.bnr.nl/artikel/11556354/the-offspring-huntenpop or http://www.dag.nl/entertainment/offspring-huntenpop-261611

Tijs
05-08-2009, 12:12 AM
Oh my fucking GOD YES! That's... really damn fucking close. I'm totally there.

NotTheOne_NL
05-08-2009, 07:00 AM
hey I'll be there to!!!:) Hell yeah!

Szandi
05-08-2009, 01:09 PM
JE FUCKIN RULLES!

Tijs nice for you,right?

http://www.huntenpop.nl/pages/programma09.html
http://www.bnr.nl/artikel/11556354/the-offspring-huntenpop or http://www.dag.nl/entertainment/offspring-huntenpop-261611

ahhh, I want to go...

Tijs
05-08-2009, 01:35 PM
What's holding you back? :)

ad8
05-08-2009, 02:22 PM
I'm considering to go there, too. Are the ticket prices rather high or rather low?

Tijs
05-08-2009, 02:31 PM
Tickets for the Offspring, the Friday, will cost 27,50. Tickets go on sale tomorrow.

They just updated their new website, RonWelty's link no longer works.
http://www.huntenpop.nl/

edit: The website also says that this will be the only show in The Netherlands.

NotTheOne_NL
05-09-2009, 01:21 AM
whoohooo!!! I've got tickets!!!:D:D

RonWelty
05-09-2009, 01:26 AM
whoohooo!!! I've got tickets!!!:D:D

I envy you.

NotTheOne_NL
05-09-2009, 01:34 AM
I envy you.

thanx man for noticing this show!

RonWelty
05-09-2009, 01:39 AM
thanx man for noticing this show!

No worries. That's my function here. The band should hire me as their website's news updater.

Tijs
05-09-2009, 01:59 AM
whoohooo!!! I've got tickets!!!:D:DSo did I :D Are you going all days or just the Friday?

How cool would it be if De Jeugd Van Tegenwoordig opened for the Offspring :D

BuddyHolly
05-09-2009, 03:51 AM
Fucking hell! They're gonna play so close to my hometown. I'm not really such a big fan anymore but I've got to be there!:D

Jesus
05-09-2009, 03:53 AM
Haha this is awesome, I should be there too. Do you guys think it'll sell out quickly or not, so should I get a ticket (=ask Tijs to get a ticket for me) in advance or not?

Seems like they just picked a random festival close to Nijmegen just to please Tijs =p

RonWelty
05-09-2009, 03:53 AM
Fucking hell! They're gonna play so close to my hometown. I'm not really such a big fan anymore but I've got to be there!:D

Why aren't you a big fan anymore?

BuddyHolly
05-09-2009, 04:25 AM
I don't really know. I went to see them in Cologne in 2005 together with Tijs and I thought it was a terrible show, that kind of did it I guess. I've seen em 4 times and the setlist hardly changes, they only played for about an hour (wich is really short for a greatest hits tour I guess). Since that show I just couldn't get into their music that much anymore.

And Rise and Fall isn't a good album either I think. YGGFK and Trust In You are cool, I don't like the other songs much.

:(

But since I can go to this show by bike I'll go and I hope they'll play the best show ever, and maybe I'll become the fan I used to be again;)

Tijs
05-09-2009, 04:37 AM
Yeah it's even closer to your place, so you should definitely go there!

Haha this is awesome, I should be there too. Do you guys think it'll sell out quickly or not, so should I get a ticket (=ask Tijs to get a ticket for me) in advance or not?I'm not sure. It's a small festival with some 'big' names; Junkie XL, Jeugd van Tegenwoordig, Danko Jones... Tickets are pretty cheap too. So.. dude.. just go to the damn show already! :(

Seems like they just picked a random festival close to Nijmegen just to please Tijs =pAnd they succeeded! :D

RonWelty
05-09-2009, 04:40 AM
Yeah it's even closer to your place, so you should definitely go there!
I'm not sure. It's a small festival with some 'big' names; Junkie XL, Jeugd van Tegenwoordig, Danko Jones... Tickets are pretty cheap too. So.. dude.. just go to the damn show already! :(
And they succeeded! :D

"big"? how much big? I never heard of them :$ !

Tijs
05-09-2009, 05:32 AM
Relatively big compared to the festival's size I mean.

But I just found out that the festival itself holds about 10-15 thousand people, which is more than I expected.

RonWelty
05-09-2009, 05:37 AM
Relatively big compared to the festival's size I mean.

But I just found out that the festival itself holds about 10-15 thousand people, which is more than I expected.

That's the range I like for a festival. Too bad it's too late in August for me :(.

NotTheOne_NL
05-09-2009, 12:20 PM
So did I :D Are you going all days or just the Friday?

How cool would it be if De Jeugd Van Tegenwoordig opened for the Offspring :D

I'm going only the friday. Jeugd van Tegenwoordig is really cool!

Szandi
05-09-2009, 06:26 PM
what's holding you back? :)

:)
80%
...

Jesus
05-10-2009, 03:02 AM
I'm not sure. It's a small festival with some 'big' names; Junkie XL, Jeugd van Tegenwoordig, Danko Jones... Tickets are pretty cheap too. So.. dude.. just go to the damn show already! :(


Can I order tickets from Belgium, because I thought they didn't deliver to here when I checked yesterday? Currently at GF's and internet is a bit of a bitch here.

Tijs
05-10-2009, 03:33 AM
I think you can, yes. I'd order the ticket for you but well.. money issue.. :(

Tijs
05-12-2009, 02:32 PM
Alright! Got my ticket in mail today :D

RonWelty
05-12-2009, 02:56 PM
Alright! Got my ticket in mail today :D

lucky bastard

NotTheOne_NL
05-13-2009, 12:46 AM
Alright! Got my ticket in mail today :D

Yeah me too!:cool:

Offspring.of.Offspring
05-15-2009, 09:47 AM
I noticed this the first date it came up on Huntenpop.nl, because I go to the site every day to check it out, cause I go to it every year. Well... This time I didn't want to post it on BBS, cause I was afraid everyone would get tickets and since I need to wait another week I figured they'd be sold out :(.
Anyway, it's pretty cool.

RonWelty
05-15-2009, 11:53 AM
I noticed this the first date it came up on Huntenpop.nl, because I go to the site every day to check it out, cause I go to it every year. Well... This time I didn't want to post it on BBS, cause I was afraid everyone would get tickets and since I need to wait another week I figured they'd be sold out :(.
Anyway, it's pretty cool.

Dude, don't be stupid. I posted this here 14 minutes after it was published in the first place in all the web.

zsk
05-15-2009, 02:20 PM
i'm thinking about buying tix it's two ours to drive from my home, if i go then i'll go with my father... the full family will come there,my grandfathers brother is buried in Arnheim(because of WW2) and my little sister want to visit the great zoo in the near of the festival...so it could be a realy nice family trip
and i would see The Offspring!!!

BuddyHolly
05-16-2009, 07:37 AM
Yeah it's even closer to your place, so you should definitely go there!


I am (and so is my mum:D)! I just can't mis them playing this close to my place:) I'm wondering how long they're going to play and what the show will be like.

zsk
05-16-2009, 09:56 AM
I am (and so is my mum:D)! I just can't mis them playing this close to my place:) I'm wondering how long they're going to play and what the show will be like.

great! i hope they'll play TIY there

Obie2trice
05-18-2009, 10:29 AM
Great news, just bought my tickets :D

Offspring.of.Offspring
05-20-2009, 01:11 AM
Got my ticket :)

Ladykant
08-23-2009, 03:30 AM
Hi,
Does everybody live close by to the festival here?
Cause I can't go, simply because it takes over 2,5 hrs Amsterdam-Treborg and then I'm not even on the site and I would have to catch the train an Treborg at 22.15 to be able to get home..:(

offspringfan01
08-27-2009, 09:56 AM
TOMORROW !!! :D:D :cool:

offspringfan01
08-27-2009, 09:59 AM
Hi,
Does everybody live close by to the festival here?
Cause I can't go, simply because it takes over 2,5 hrs Amsterdam-Treborg and then I'm not even on the site and I would have to catch the train an Treborg at 22.15 to be able to get home..:(

i don't live close at all to the festival, i live in geleen, limburg. but we're going with my sisters car, so i don't have to travel by train.

really sucks that you can't go because of that :(

chriiis
08-27-2009, 03:52 PM
guys, someone will be recording the show in audio or video? thank you (:

Tijs
08-28-2009, 05:44 AM
Hope so, but not me. I'm just there to enjoy the show for myself :D

Time to leave now, should be awesome yet again!

Rutegard
08-28-2009, 05:58 AM
Hope so, but not me. I'm just there to enjoy the show for myself :D

Time to leave now, should be awesome yet again!

u lucky!!

have fun!

Tijs
08-28-2009, 03:41 PM
Woow just came back, and what a show it was!

They played a full setlist, something like this though I might be wrong about the order:

Stuff Is Messed Up
Bad Habit
You're Gonna Go Far, Kid
Come Out and Play
Walla Walla
Have You Ever
Staring at the Sun
Gotta Get Away
Gone Away (piano)
Kristy
Hit That
Get a Job
-intermission-
Americana
All I Want
Pretty Fly
Head Around You
The Kids Aren't Alright
---
Hammerhead
Want You Bad
Self Esteem

Fucking awesome. About 2000 people were there, half the size of the London gig. The sound was mixed badly, Greg was very loud and Noodles wasn't that present. But who the fuck cares, the band seemed into very much.
During intermission I fucking caught a tshirt but it bounced out of my hand for some reason. Garghghaghdgsfhrtshtrshf. Almost :(

Me and potomek were seriously thinking of going to the Paris show tomorrow but unfortunately we can't arrange a car on such short notice. But it shows how impressed we still are by The Offspring :)

Tijs
08-28-2009, 03:45 PM
Oh and btw, Jesus: You're a dick for not coming to this show

still luv4u though <3

Zee
08-28-2009, 03:47 PM
Wow, that small festival? Pretty cool! The smaller the better. :p

the_real_potomek
08-28-2009, 03:57 PM
ooh, the show was really awesome! I was in the moshpit, again after quite a long break, I almost forgot how cool it is. And Walla Walla, that was great:D wooow!

Tijs
08-28-2009, 04:42 PM
Wow first videos are already up, though it seems like Staring at the Sun hasn't been fully encoded yet.

Come Out and Play (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O61-EgU2e_c)
Staring at the Sun (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w2gBCOuJix4)

Obie2trice
08-28-2009, 04:44 PM
I just came back from Huntenpop, what an amazing show!

offspringfan01
08-28-2009, 04:56 PM
yeaaah i also just got back !
It was the greatest show i've ever been! I stood at the first row!:cool:
I was holding a sign that said: ''Dex can i have your guitar pick?!''
Dexter saw my sign and he seriously tossed out his guitar pick to me, with offspring-ish artwork on it! but i couldn't catch it, and i think he noticed that, because half a minute later, a crew member came to me and gave me 4 plectrums from dexter :D:D
yeahh i'm soo happy :D

THANKS DEXTER! YOU ROCK!

RonWelty
08-28-2009, 05:02 PM
yeaaah i also just got back !
It was the greatest show i've ever been! I stood at the first row!:cool:
I was holding a sign that said: ''Dex can i have your guitar pick?!''
Dexter saw my sign and he seriously tossed out his guitar pick to me, with offspring-ish artwork on it! but i couldn't catch it, and i think he noticed that, because half a minute later, a crew member came to me and gave me 4 plectrums from dexter :D:D
yeahh i'm soo happy :Dthat was nice from him. Kudos, Dr. Holland.

offspringfan01
08-28-2009, 06:18 PM
pictures =)

http://www.offspring.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=514&pictureid=4699

http://www.offspring.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=514&pictureid=4700

http://www.offspring.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=514&pictureid=4701

http://www.offspring.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=514&pictureid=4702

offspringfan01
08-28-2009, 06:20 PM
http://www.offspring.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=514&pictureid=4703

http://www.offspring.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=514&pictureid=4704

http://www.offspring.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=514&pictureid=4706

offspringfan01
08-28-2009, 06:23 PM
http://www.offspring.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=514&pictureid=4708

http://www.offspring.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=514&pictureid=4709

he was looking at me in this picture =)
http://www.offspring.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=514&pictureid=4710

http://www.offspring.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=514&pictureid=4711

offspringfan01
08-28-2009, 06:33 PM
http://www.offspring.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=514&pictureid=4712


the sign i was holding, did help....
http://www.offspring.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=514&pictureid=4713
:D

chriiis
08-28-2009, 07:55 PM
Gone Away
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zLNO2rECJCY

Staring At The Sun
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w2gBCOuJix4

Come Out And Play
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O61-EgU2e_c

offspringfan01
08-29-2009, 02:00 AM
Gone Away
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zLNO2rECJCY

Staring At The Sun
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w2gBCOuJix4

Come Out And Play
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O61-EgU2e_c

haha, i uploaded the gone away video :p

chriiis
08-29-2009, 05:23 AM
haha, i uploaded the gone away video :p

Cool ! you have more videos? (:

offspringfan01
08-29-2009, 06:32 AM
Cool ! you have more videos? (:

yeah i think two or three more, but the sound is pretty bad, but i think im gonna upload them anyway soon ;)

offspringfan01
08-29-2009, 05:26 PM
Gotta get away:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMxQGEaWdyE

Bad Habit:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9dhRhOVQ9DE

sound quality is pretty bad, but the video's itself are awesome :)

Tijs
08-30-2009, 05:33 AM
Some photos of Huntenpop:

http://i26.tinypic.com/2pzhaw2.jpg

http://i27.tinypic.com/2mhcsu9.jpg

Tijs
08-30-2009, 05:34 AM
And of course Offspring too. Well... just Dexter actually.

http://i32.tinypic.com/ajw6sg.jpg

http://i32.tinypic.com/23k2oog.jpg

http://i26.tinypic.com/168a0ig.jpg

Tijs
08-30-2009, 05:35 AM
And the support act 'Heideroosjes', check 'em out they're really good.

http://i28.tinypic.com/nehsw5.jpg

http://i28.tinypic.com/2w7fg4g.jpg

http://i32.tinypic.com/n50tw1.jpg

http://i27.tinypic.com/mx0fud.jpg

Rutegard
08-30-2009, 05:37 AM
Oh and btw, Jesus: You're a dick for not coming to this show

still luv4u though <3


yes, i agree with u !



yeaaah i also just got back !
It was the greatest show i've ever been! I stood at the first row!:cool:
I was holding a sign that said: ''Dex can i have your guitar pick?!''
Dexter saw my sign and he seriously tossed out his guitar pick to me, with offspring-ish artwork on it! but i couldn't catch it, and i think he noticed that, because half a minute later, a crew member came to me and gave me 4 plectrums from dexter :D:D
yeahh i'm soo happy :D

THANKS DEXTER! YOU ROCK!

aaww <33
u lucky :]

Tijs
08-30-2009, 12:17 PM
Moooaaar:

Heideroosjes again, but it gives a good indication of the size.

http://i26.tinypic.com/op4azd.jpg

And the rest is all Offspring:

http://i29.tinypic.com/r8vuoo.jpg

http://i29.tinypic.com/1zdoswz.jpg

http://i30.tinypic.com/v7fk2d.jpg

Tijs
08-30-2009, 12:18 PM
http://i32.tinypic.com/2qrzgy1.jpg

http://i27.tinypic.com/302nzas.jpg

http://i31.tinypic.com/14v1pjc.jpg

Tijs
08-30-2009, 12:19 PM
http://i26.tinypic.com/2199p9e.jpg

http://i26.tinypic.com/14xgfig.jpg

http://i28.tinypic.com/fnspx5.jpg

m.offspring.r
08-30-2009, 01:29 PM
Moooaaar:

Heideroosjes again, but it gives a good indication of the size.

http://i26.tinypic.com/op4azd.jpg



I see one guy with Blind Guardian Tshirt \m/

offspringfan01
08-30-2009, 02:22 PM
http://i26.tinypic.com/14xgfig.jpg

I REALLY like this one!
This show was fantastic!:D:D

NotTheOne_NL
08-30-2009, 03:39 PM
Huntenpop was really cool! A very small venue.
I was all the time in the front of the show, bashed completely.

Hey Tijs, were you also in front of the show? (3,4 row in front of Noodles) I think you spoke to me, but I wasn't sure you were Tijs.

Tijs
08-31-2009, 02:03 AM
Hey Tijs, were you also in front of the show? (3,4 row in front of Noodles) I think you spoke to me, but I wasn't sure you were Tijs.I was at the 3/4th row in front of Greg, but I don't think I spoke to anyone other than potomek.

NotTheOne_NL
08-31-2009, 04:00 AM
Okay, than I havent seen you

btw, my girlfriend saw somebody recording the show, but halfway of the show he must stop recording because of the security.
I hope that the video's will be online???

NotTheOne_NL
08-31-2009, 04:10 AM
http://www.gelderlander.nl/multimedia/archive/01215/DG_8840252_8840252_1215506b.jpg

chris9012
08-31-2009, 04:13 AM
I was on the Huntenpop campside with 3 others. It was my first Offspring-concert. Really liked it. There were a lot of people on the campside who left saturdaymorning, because they only came to see The Offspring.
One of my friends knew a guy from security who was between the stage and the people. He gave my friend en gitarpick with Flames Of Glory on it.
Didn't think the other bands were that good, but had fun anyway.

the_real_potomek
08-31-2009, 04:52 AM
http://www.gelderlander.nl/multimedia/archive/01215/DG_8840252_8840252_1215506b.jpg

hehe, this picture was in some Dutch newspaper, I've got it:D

Tijs
08-31-2009, 07:48 AM
Ala, the guy that we were glad we didn't see in the moshpit was there though.

http://94.100.116.172/712900001-712950000/712944301-712944400/712944316_6_TsUH.jpeg

http://94.100.116.50/712900001-712950000/712944101-712944200/712944134_6_dZLq.jpeg

http://94.100.116.112/712900001-712950000/712944201-712944300/712944248_6_LWDm.jpeg

http://94.100.113.203/712900001-712950000/712944101-712944200/712944186_6_JxK1.jpeg

the_real_potomek
08-31-2009, 07:52 AM
so we were even more lucky that he wasn't near us:p my boots were nothing in comparison with his:( not to mention yours:p

Tijs
08-31-2009, 07:56 AM
Maybe he was standing behind me at some point, that might've been the reason why my jeans were ripped and ready for the garbage :p
Damn what a scary person that was.. :o

And one more pic:
http://94.100.115.227/714050001-714100000/714051901-714052000/714051981_6_oaTi.jpeg

the_real_potomek
08-31-2009, 08:09 AM
you should be happy that only your jeans suffered! you could've lost your foot if he had stepped on it!

Midas
09-01-2009, 04:59 AM
Hey i was tehre as well, I made some really nice pics (in my opinion).

Here's a few:
http://i26.tinypic.com/2rrqb5y.jpghttp://i26.tinypic.com/dccutj.jpg

http://i30.tinypic.com/2wpl4ll.jpghttp://i27.tinypic.com/16jhoo1.jpg

jannis3391
09-01-2009, 05:15 AM
I'm so fuckin stupid!
i was @ the huntepop festival to see the offspring for my first time! it was :eek:soooo great and it was one of the best days in my fuckin life, i was so happy during the show:D
but then i catch a t-shirt (@ intermission) it falls down on the ground and i picked it up. but in this moment, i didn't know that it was a t-shirt and:
:mad:!!! I THROW IT BACK TO THE STAGE !!!:mad: DAMN!!!
the shirt fly over the stage fall down in the background! so damn stupid, i could cut myself!!
but the concert was motherfuckin great!!

keep 'n rockin

offspringfan01
09-01-2009, 05:59 AM
Hey i was tehre as well, I made some really nice pics (in my opinion).

Here's a few:
http://i26.tinypic.com/2rrqb5y.jpghttp://i26.tinypic.com/dccutj.jpg

http://i30.tinypic.com/2wpl4ll.jpghttp://i27.tinypic.com/16jhoo1.jpg

those are indeed really NICE pic's!
looks like you also stood at the first row =)
it was an awesome show!

Tijs
09-01-2009, 07:29 AM
Here are some more pro photos:

http://i28.tinypic.com/vcxrud.jpg

http://i32.tinypic.com/2rw2emd.jpg

http://i30.tinypic.com/2a678yb.jpg

http://i25.tinypic.com/1zp5m6h.jpg

Tijs
09-01-2009, 07:30 AM
http://i26.tinypic.com/20p6e6h.jpg

http://i25.tinypic.com/ruttzc.jpg

http://i29.tinypic.com/2co0nsx.jpg

http://i26.tinypic.com/hsizc8.jpg

Tijs
09-01-2009, 07:30 AM
http://i29.tinypic.com/2exwqqe.jpg

http://i30.tinypic.com/rshe2v.jpg

http://i25.tinypic.com/dcrm95.jpg

http://i28.tinypic.com/10elwkh.jpg

Tijs
09-01-2009, 07:31 AM
http://i30.tinypic.com/2zrhiq0.jpg

http://i25.tinypic.com/ftg5kj.jpg

That was it!

Oxygene
09-01-2009, 07:40 AM
why couldn't there have been shots like those from the Sziget?

Midas
09-01-2009, 07:41 AM
holy shit those are some nice pics as well Tijs!

thanks offspringfan01 :) compared to those pro pics mine are crap lol, but hey theyre pro made ;)

Tijs
09-01-2009, 07:43 AM
I got 'em off the Huntenpop website, there are more pictures there of the festival, I posted all The Offpring ones here.

chriiis
09-01-2009, 08:30 AM
wow, really nice pictures man

thank you Tijs! ^^

~|Vredina|~
09-01-2009, 12:36 PM
Awesome photos Tijs! Many thanks! :)

Rutegard
09-01-2009, 12:50 PM
nice close ups!! greg is such a badass!

Blitz!
09-01-2009, 01:32 PM
The black and white pictures are awesome :)

KHWHD
09-01-2009, 01:36 PM
LOVE the pics.! :D

SonjaSoCal
09-01-2009, 03:02 PM
Awesome pics! The black and whites are especially good.

offspringfan01
09-02-2009, 02:46 AM
it was the best day of my life:)

NotTheOne_NL
09-02-2009, 05:10 PM
Has anybody taped the show? I know there were some people...
I'd like to download it!
Upload your files to www.offspringbootlegs.info!!!

Tijs
09-14-2009, 02:50 PM
Here's over 90 high quality Offspring photos from The Offspring's show, some of them have already been posted, but I just finished gathering and sorting all of them. Enjoy!

http://data.tijsvl.net/files/offspring_huntenpop.zip ~20MB

Here's 4 examples:

http://i28.tinypic.com/rlw7sn.jpg

http://i28.tinypic.com/16ito42.jpg

http://i27.tinypic.com/20jfqr7.jpg

http://i29.tinypic.com/2lddjzd.jpg

DOWNLOAD OVER 90 SIMILAR PHOTOS HERE (http://data.tijsvl.net/files/offspring_huntenpop.zip)

dexter12296566
09-14-2009, 03:44 PM
Whose the random dude? I haven't seen him before.

dexter12296566
09-14-2009, 03:57 PM
People need to post waaayyy more pictures of Dexter!

NotTheOne_NL
09-16-2009, 04:06 AM
Oh this is my girlfriends recording of Gone Away. I was in the front:D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ntpq_CHz1ao

offspringfan01
09-16-2009, 02:55 PM
DOWNLOAD OVER 90 SIMILAR PHOTOS HERE (http://data.tijsvl.net/files/offspring_huntenpop.zip)

Thanks so much for this ! :D

edit: ohhh no.. why did they put a close up picture of me and my sister on the internet?!?! :eek: :eek: :o

Tijs
09-16-2009, 05:44 PM
Really, which one? :)

offspringfan01
09-17-2009, 08:49 AM
Really, which one? :)

picture fmt22.. i'm on the left with black hair and my sister's on the right, with pink/blond hair :P but i look sooo awful in this picture! :eek: