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Alex101
06-18-2009, 06:18 PM
It says so on Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Self_Esteem_(song)&oldid=297255692) that the intro to "Self Esteem" samples Nirvana's "Rape Me". Does anyone here know anything about this?

randman21
06-18-2009, 06:25 PM
Haha, all you have to do is listen to "Self Esteem," then listen to "Rape Me" and make that decision. The answer is absolutely not.

Alex101
06-18-2009, 06:32 PM
Haha, all you have to do is listen to "Self Esteem," then listen to "Rape Me" and make that decision. The answer is absolutely not.
You mean, like, compare the songs?

randman21
06-18-2009, 06:37 PM
Yeah. If they're talking about the "la la la" part, well, that's not in "Rape Me". And the chord progressions of the two songs are not the same.

IamSam
06-18-2009, 06:38 PM
You mean, like, compare the songs?

No, he means, like, totally go by what Wikipedia says.

leo3375
06-18-2009, 06:39 PM
If you're gonna accuse the Offspring of ripping off any artist for "Self Esteem," look no further than Boston. Seriously. Listen to Boston's "More Than a Feeling" and then listen to "Self Esteem." Likewise, compare "More Than a Feeling" to Nirvana's "Smells Like Teen Spirit."

Alex101
06-18-2009, 06:54 PM
Yeah. If they're talking about the "la la la" part, well, that's not in "Rape Me". And the chord progressions of the two songs are not the same.
I know, it's not true that "Rape Me" was sampled in "Self Esteem". The "la la la" part, which appears in "Self Esteem", was not in that Nirvana song. This is all wrong.

leo3375
06-18-2009, 06:55 PM
For the last time, "Rape Me" was NOT sampled for this song! If it was, there would have been a credit for it in the liner notes to Smash. That chord progression is more common than you think.

Alex101
06-18-2009, 06:56 PM
For the last time, "Rape Me" was NOT sampled for this song! If it was, there would have been a credit for it in the liner notes to Smash. That chord progression is more common than you think.
That's what I meant, it's all wrong. There's no "la la la" part in the beginning of "Rape Me".

Omni
06-18-2009, 07:36 PM
The lalala part sounds more like the intro to Smells Like Teen Spirit than anything else by a long shot. And the similarities are minute.

Little_Miss_1565
06-18-2009, 10:08 PM
This thread reminds me -- I've been meaning to look up my ex's wiki page and add in a paragraph about how he has worn the same pair of socks for 3 years. Thanks!

Grimesy da Offspringfan
06-19-2009, 02:30 AM
Nope. Self Esteem is in the key of C Major, and Rape Me is in the key of A major. The first chord is the same in both songs (A5), then in Self Esteem there's a F5 and then blaa blaa blaa blaaa blaaa, the point is it's definitely not the same

randman21
06-19-2009, 02:53 AM
I'm no expert, but I think Rape Me is in the key of A-flat/G-sharp minor, and Self Esteem in the key of A-minor, which switches to D-minor during the bridge.

findout5
06-19-2009, 02:59 AM
The keys are correct!
The progression is the same (intervals) however.
It is a Nirvanesque type of song, but not a "sample" or co-write or anything like that.
The dude who mentioned More than a feeling is spot-on.

Grimesy da Offspringfan
06-19-2009, 03:27 AM
The keys are correct!
The progression is the same (intervals) however.
It is a Nirvanesque type of song, but not a "sample" or co-write or anything like that.
The dude who mentioned More than a feeling is spot-on.

The intervals are definitely not the same
Self Esteem- A5->F5=P5; F5->C5=P4; C5->G5=P4; G5->A5=M2 and then it starts again
Rape Me- A5->C5=M3; C5->E5=m6; E5->G5=M3; G5->A5=M2
(Smells Like Teen Spirit- F5->A#5=P4; A#5->G#5=M2; G#5->C#5=P4; C#5->F5=M6)

findout5
06-19-2009, 04:54 AM
The intervals are definitely not the same
Self Esteem- A5->F5=P5; F5->C5=P4; C5->G5=P4; G5->A5=M2 and then it starts again
Rape Me- A5->C5=M3; C5->E5=m6; E5->G5=M3; G5->A5=M2
(Smells Like Teen Spirit- F5->A#5=P4; A#5->G#5=M2; G#5->C#5=P4; C#5->F5=M6)

I had it in my head they were the same progression, I was wrong! :p
That's what happens when you rely on memory :p
You made me pick up my guitar now :mad: And your interval showing is weird man.
Self Esteem (A-): I-VI-III-VII
Rape Me (A-): I-III-V-VII. The first note is major however! And the tuning sounds a 1/2 step down.
SLTS (F-): I-IV-III-VI.

So, none of them are the same! But it still sound nirva-nesque!

Harleyquiiinn
06-19-2009, 05:21 AM
I really don't think they sound the same either...

But for some reason, everytime I hear Gotta get away, I think "About a girl" by Nirvana... is it just me or ... ? :confused:

findout5
06-19-2009, 07:48 AM
I really don't think they sound the same either...

But for some reason, everytime I hear Gotta get away, I think "About a girl" by Nirvana... is it just me or ... ? :confused:

No common ground there at all on those 2!

Harleyquiiinn
06-19-2009, 07:52 AM
No common ground there at all on those 2!

Yeah I know ! My head is strangely wired. :o I think it is just the beginning of the singing. It always reminds me of Nirvana...

Redjie
06-19-2009, 08:14 AM
When u play it in the guitar it might sound the same chords but it's definitely not. I know it :p

rd1994
03-31-2012, 12:47 PM
Am I alone in thinking that "Vultures" is also an hommage to "Come As you Are" by Nirvana?

randman21
03-31-2012, 01:02 PM
No, but you're probably alone in thinking that reviving a three-year-old thread was a good idea.

Kidding. They are kind of similar and Offspring are apparently huge Nirvana fans. But I wouldn't necessarily think it was an homage.

cool 2 hate 681
03-31-2012, 01:05 PM
It says so on Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Self_Esteem_(song)&oldid=297255692)

so it must be true:rolleyes:

holland25
03-31-2012, 01:07 PM
Obviously ChrisDude was already stupid 3 years ago...

Llamas
03-31-2012, 01:30 PM
Hahahaha this thread.
Chrisdude: "Wikipedia says this song sounds like this song. Is this true?"
What everyone else is thinking: "Umm, listen to the two songs and find out."
Chrisdude: "You mean, I should do a bit of super easy research and form my own opinion, instead of just believing what Wikipedia says?? But Wikipedia is god!"

Gregmau5
03-31-2012, 03:39 PM
Man, I saw this thread and maybe for a split second I thought ChrisDude was back.

Krojd
03-31-2012, 03:52 PM
He will come back eventually.

Jojan
03-31-2012, 03:59 PM
If something is dumb on Wikipedia, put {{cn}} next to it.